The problem with roguelites isn't the genre itself, unless you hate fun. It's the fact that it's so oversaturated that there's like 500 of them and all of them play the exact same way. So even those who like the genre end up just picking one game and sticking with it for hundreds of hours. I honestly have no idea how it can possibly be profitable to make a new roguelite when the people who would buy it are already busy with all the ones that already exist.
The problem is that building a game so it's impossible to clear until I die enough times to unlock permanent power is inherently shit design.
>>734392830It's only "impossible to clear" if you suck but thanks for outing yourself as a casual right off the bat at least.
>buy game with money>any time you play, game has a random chance to not be funisn't this illegal gambling?
>>734394882I have fun losing and it doesn't cost me more money to either win or lose.
>>734391713The fucking genre feels like shit. It's just gambling, but no one wants to admit that.
>>734394961And in a well designed roguelike it is still very possible to overcome bad RNG and win, which is fun in its own way. Sad we've reached the point where some people complain about games actually challenging them
>>734395001I don't think you know what gambling is. You're like those people who call a game with a lot of text "a visual novel."
>>734395060You don't even understand descriptive language.Do us all a favor and stop posting anywhere, ever.I mean anywhere.
>>734395173Nah I think I'll keep posting wherever the fuck I want. Fuck you. And since you're already mad, fuck you for saying "no one wants to admit that" like everyone secretly agrees with your opinion and is just hiding it. You're such a pussy you can't handle the idea that your opinion might be an uncommon one, you have to create a world in your mind where everyone agrees with you no matter what.
>>734395060>. You're like those people who call a game with a lot of text "a visual novel."a game with a lot of text where gameplay consists of going through that text to read a story is in fact a visual novel regardless if it has a few mario party minigames or overworld navigation. roguelikes are just gambling but instead of winning money you win fun
I am so tired of pick3 slop it's unreal
>losing enjoyers when the winning enthusiasts show up
Meh, as long as the gameplay is fun, there's plenty of variety, and I'm unlocking stuff at a solid rate, I don't really have a problem with the genre.
>>734395412By your logic all games are gambling because no matter what game you're playing you're risking your time and not knowing if you're going to get fun out of it. The analogy does not hold up under scrutiny. And that's before getting into the fact that you specifically called it illegal gambling, as if it should be against the law for you to die in a video game.
>>734391713nah, the problem is that they're padded worse than movie slop. it feels like this entire industry is trying to figure out ways to make you waste your time rather than innovate gameplay
>>734395484let's be real if you had to play the games against other humans and not dumbass swarms of easily-killed npcs you wouldn't want to play it>>734394961time is money
>>734395547>By your logic all games are gambling because no matter what game you're playing you're risking your time and not knowing if you're going to get fun out of it.that's not true, i don't play shitty lazy rngslop games and i am good at video games therefore i always know if i am going to have fun or not without even booting the game up
>>734395303I'm not even the person you think you're responding to:Way to show how much of an opinionated "git gud" faggot with no life you are, though.Trying to flame people isn't going to make your dick any bigger you fucking pussy.
>>734395574>time is moneyYou're spending time arguing with anonymous people on 4chan, your time isn't that valuable.
>>734391713The two roguelikes I play religiously are red rogue (old flash game) and nuclear throne and they don't play anything alike. But I don't have any desire to play gungeon after playing nuclear throne because it's the same thing but not as fun.
>>734395574I'm not understanding your point. Are you saying preferring PVE over PVP is a bad thing now?
>>734395550I agree with the notion that it feels like the industry is padding games to hell to make you waste your time, but I still prefer roguelites in that regard because at least you're engaging in actual gameplay and not waiting for a 20 minute long cutscene to end because the characters won't stop talking in circles.
>>734394773Disingenuous faggot.
>>734395060All those games are built on getting lucky enough that you can get a decent build with the shit you have no control over getting or avoiding. They're a perversion of arcade games. They're popular because you can blame the game for your loss. While in that old 80s/90s shit, when you died, you had to blame yourself. Unless it was one of those scummy games, but you get my point.
>>734394773In many of them it actually is impossible because past a certain point things are going to one shot you and without any experience of the game you aren't going to be able to reactively avoid everything.Regardless, the point is having a game not designed to be cleared until you waste a bunch of time dying is dog shit design.
>>734391713The real problem is every enemy has tracking shots that curve mid air so i have to run around like a hyper spastic to not get hit.
>>734395672"Git gud" is really all the bitching about this genre boils down to in the end though. The whole reason they even started making roguelites is because their predecessor, roguelikes were even harder. If you died in a roguelike you had to start the entire game from scratch, no powerups, no story progression, just right back to the beginning. So they came up with roguelites so that even people who suck at games can eventually finish the game if they die enough times. And still these people bitch, because they're pampered and don't want to have to work for success. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I fucking hate these people.
>>734395717>I'm not understanding your point. Are you saying preferring PVE over PVP is a bad thing now?extraction shooters and battle royales are super fucking gay too, playing a single player roguelike just makes you a pussy.gambling on equipment, and thus gambling whether or not your "run" will be fun or not, is a totally shitty game mechanic.the devs basically just gave up and instead of putting weapons in intelligent places and balancing the map a la a quake or unreal, each player just get get randomly vomited on by a unicorn and the player who chanced his way into the sparkliest vomit will likely win.it's fucking shit. all these games and game devs who make them should burn.
>>734395853>All those games are built on getting lucky enough that you can get a decent build with the shit you have no control over getting or avoiding.Not really, just badly balanced. If you look at slay the spire, people can have consistent wins on asc 20 despite not getting hyper broken builds every time.
>>734396025>If you died in a roguelike you had to start the entire game from scratch, no powerups, no story progression, just right back to the beginning.i'm pretty sure this game mechanic only exists because of abused children whose parents didn't love themgran turismo on the ps1 for example, is a roguelike if you don't have a memory card
>>734391713this genre is being exploited because it's so easy to make a roguelite system without having to develop any real content. thats the real problem
What are some with zero vertical permanent progression? Stuff like Rogue Legacy and Hades where you have to grind a bunch of deaths before the game becomes its intended difficulty level is retarded and completely defeats the purpose of the roguelike formula.All I really know of is Nuclear Throne
>>734396174Any true roguelike.
>>734396030The point is to get random combinations, try something different, and/or make do with what you get.It's fun, man. What did these games do to you?
>>734396030>playing a single player roguelike just makes you a pussy.what did xe/xem mean by this fucking shit
>>734396220>The point is to get random combinations, try something different, and/or make do with what you get.that would be great if any of the equipment combos are any good but you always get something like "the niggermelter 90000: one shot depletes all your mana and nukes the entire map + a wooden stick (breakable)" and in the next 3 runs you get wooden stick (breakable) + block of cheese (poisonous, to you specifically)>It's fun, man. What did these games do to you?they were bad and not funeven i had to put mods on noita to curtail the shitrolling so i could actually have some fun with the rng and not see the same tiny handful of spells in one run
>>734396438see>>734396078
>>734396174You might like this onehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_(video_game)
The arguments in this thread started off pretty poorly but I have to admit some of you have actually made some pretty good points that make me understand there are valid reasons for why people might not be into roguelites besides "it's too hard." Even though I personally like the continuous progression and the way it's designed around short runs so you can plug an hour into a roguelite between playing other games, or when you're not in the mood for something else, I can see why that might not appeal to everyone. And I will admit, there are a lot of incompetent people making roguelites these days so you gotta dig to find the really good ones. Perhaps you have to... dig through the world of games that are on Steam. That way they don't pull a heist and steal your money. Otherwise you'd have to go on a quest to build it back.
more like rogueunlikes
>>734395484i should get to finishing this game. i beat the 2nd boss and i'm wondering when it starts to open up and get more gameplay variety
>>734391713most normies play a roguelite for like 20 hours max before going to a new one
>>734396174Cogmind is a good one. thats a TRUE roguelike.
>>734396201Well yeah but we're talking about roguelikes dumbassI'm asking for games that aren't turn based grid dungeon crawlers but have the same core design flow as them
>>734396174Noita
>>734397660>Well yeah but we're talking about roguelikes dumbassRoguelites I mean, fuckI know plenty of good traditional roguelikes, I want real time games of other genres that have the same appeal where you can feel yourself slowly gaining mastery of the game and getting to push further and further purely from your own skill and not because the game is drip feeding you better stats as you die
You have to be careful with calling games casinos, because team based games either mobas or shooters have such an amount of more rng that all the well designed roguelikes.I play on ascension 15 in slay the spire and win 85% of all my runs, and in the runs I die I can usually see were i fucked up and its a skill issue. Same with gungeon and dead cells never lose games there meanwhile online games force 50% winrates and thats coming from a master jungler, and a high el siege and valorant fag like myself
>>734398234roguelites by definition are built around vertical progression. what you're looking for is roguemediums.
>>734396174ftl: faster than light is basically the gold standard in how roguemediums should handle unlocks.
>>734396174balatro if you hit the unlock everything button. i really wish more games had that feature.
>>734391713I just tried to google what the roguelite with the purple owl is since I feel like I've seen that character before, couldn't find it, instead found a DIFFERENT roguelite called "Atomic Owl" which apparently released over a year ago and yet has a grand total of 21 reviews on Steam and that's it. So I'm actually not convinced roguelites are particularly profitable unless you're one of the mega successful ones like Hades, Slay the Spire, Necrodancer, Cult of the Lamb, etc.
