The final boss being the same loser I already curb stomped a dozen times previously is extremely anticlimactic. Professor Oak being the champion would have been 100 times more interesting.
>>735669590Rival Fival is the only remotely challenging iteration of Blue anyway.
>>735669590The last battle being against the same guy as the first and several in-between is good writing. Surprise fuck you is not.
>>735669719>The last battle being against the same guy as the first and several in-between is good writing.How is it good writing? Explain.
>>735669739Because, uh well... um, because I PERSONALLY like it, OK? God.
i wish subsequent pokemon gens started including the rival more in the story, and even allowed the player to dynamically change their party if you keep beating them too hard or the battle takes too many turns.
>>735669739Because it introduces an antagonist early and has him develop along with the protagonist, paralleling their journeys and shining a light on their differences. The same goal is in play over and over: beat Blue. Blue gets stronger and stronger, though, so that goal becomes harder to achieve. It's also worth considering what the opposite would look like. You've never heard of the final opponent before at any point. There's a complete failure to even mention the antagonist until the climactic final battle where he has to show up. That obviously isn't good writing.
>>735669609>Rival Fival
>>735669969Oak being the final boss would have been way better writing though. He is the one who started you on your journey in the first place and he's a character who is established immediately when you begin the game so him showing up at the end would not be too much of a surprise. The rival is not a threat or intimidating at all because you spend the entire game kicking his ass.
>>735670076more zoomers playing FRLG for the first time and then trying out their grandpa's GBCs
>>735670076Same fucking problem over on /vr/ but somehow worse (along with the other spammers) since it's a slower board and it visibly bumps actual retro game related threads off.
There has to be a twist near the end. In the gens like 3 and 6 where you just beat the E4 I'm always like, wait that's it? You lazy fucks.
Have you ever considered that, perhaps, you were the FAT RETARD?
>>735670163Well he was supposed to be, he had a team programmed in and everything (which was pretty shitty if I recall)
>>735670263His team was basically the same as Blue's, as fart as I can smell, Oak would have had the starter that you and Blue didn't chose. Is Kalos the only time you actually get to fight the professor? Except for the thing that happens in Paldea.
>>735670347>Except for the thing that happens in Paldea.qrd?
>>735669590Except now he's unironically, true to his word, the most powerful trainer in the known world. That Alakazam singlehandedly rapes everything that can't outspeed and oneshot it, he's a pure stat check fight.
>>735670550>That Alakazam singlehandedly rapes everything that can't outspeed and oneshot itYeah, about that...https://youtu.be/qECPFMRVxTA?si=A9kcDzLPYdwXq401&t=830
>>735669590I got the red version so seeing the blue color blue version feels weird to me
>>735670743>uses recover as its opening move even though its fasterI assume there's a strategy here that I am missing
>>735669590If you didn't like it make your own rom-hack that fixes it.
>>735670864Classic gen 1 AI being dumb as fuck due to being extremely rudimentary, it thinks status moves are attacking moves because creating such a distinction would unironically be too complicated for how limited the game's data storage is, so it has a random chance to decide to use Recover even if there's no benefit to doing so.
>>735670550My snorlax was 8 levels lower than it and killed it in one hit with body slam after surviving a psychic
Mewtwo is the real final boss of the released game, and no you didn’t catch him if you used the Master Ball.
>>735670550My Kadabra was stronger than his Alakazam despite being several levels lower.
>>735669590claude's never coming back....
>>735669590You first played this game two weeks ago at the ripe old age of 22 using the new release on your switch. Funnily enough you will have had better reasoning skills and knowledge of mechanics than the 7-10 year olds who played it when it came out.You fucking retard.
>>735671016That's because it had heaps of Stat EXP and Badge Boosts, which are meant to give the player's mons a fighting chance against higher leveled opponents.
>>735669590>game is a rush to take woman's virginity>your rival took her virginity firstnah man, that shit is way more infuriating
>>735670347Alola also has you fight the professor
>>735671196You're a fool if you think any of the Kanto girls are virgins. They are all mega sluts.
>>735671068did he ever make it through victory road
>>735671196Hot.This should be a romhack.
>>735671408Stream's been dead for like two weeks.
>>735671335Who's got the puffiest vulva? I'm inclined to say Erica, mostly because she's probably the most likely to be a virgin.
>>735671512so did he ever make it throughis that a no? use your words, i don't speak bottom
>>735669590Pokemon FireRed: Rocket Edition actually did that and it was kino
>gen 1 champion is your rival whom you've been chasing the whole game>gen 2 has the penultimate trainer as you from the first game it's kino
>>735671798No. To get through Victory Road, you need to do four boulder puzzles. Our Claude only managed to solve two I believe.
>>735669969>>735669719>>735669590GSC does it better>Champ is Lance, someone you meet earlier in the game>Final boss is Red
>>735669969>You've never heard of the final opponent before at any point. There's a complete failure to even mention the antagonist until the climactic final battle where he has to show up. That obviously isn't good writing.NANOMACHINES SON
>>735671920>penultimate trainerwho comes after red?penultimate means second to last
>>735671975what a jobberi said from the start he'd never be able to beat the game
>>735672017Nobody on the planet has ever accused Revengeance of being well written
>>735672075well even if he got to the E4 he wouldn't have been able to beat them. Shelly still had Water gun and Skull Bash even at level 70.
>>735672314>ShellyI love my turtle. I miss her.
>>735672019Probably the fighting master in Mt Mortar, no one visits that area in a regular playthrough.
>>735671920I only wish Red had a bunch of Level 100 pokemon, that would have made it a lot more believable imprinting your experiences onto his generic teamThat, and swapping Espeon for Lapras or even Mewtwo
>>735672314>Shelly still had Water gunSo? When Claude VI got to Koga, BLAZE still had EMBER, and it proved to be an asset, because as Claude VI told us, EMBER is super effective against Poison type pokemon.
>>735669739You are why modern entertainment standards are so dismally low
>>735672447He has Lapras in the remake.>>735672492It ignites the poisonous gasses causing an explosion which is super effective.
I'm just happy that after 16 years Meganium is finally the strongest Johto starter.Get fucked Feraligatr and Typhlosion
>>735672492He was also paralyzed and confused during that battle. Let's not pretend like is wasn't the dumbest of luck.
>>735672534I'm still waiting for an explanation. You can backup your claim or keep looking like a retard.
>>735672632I need to watch this shit again, does anyone have the VOD?
>>735669590Why would I want to fight Oak who hasn't been a fighting trainer in over 30 years. Boomer's skills have probably atrophy'd behind a desk and computer for so long. I would rather throw down against someone that came up in my circuit and time for it to truly mean something rather than beat some forgotten has been who can't seem to fucking let go.
>>735671987If Iwata didn't manage to get Kanto to fit, GS would have been even more anticlimactic.>final boss is just some jobber you already beat in the first game
>>735672415>go from red to a guy with 2 level 34 pokemonanticlimatic
>>735672863Mt. Silver probably would've remained present since it's in Johto and not Kanto, but the buildup and impact of Red would've been far less meaningful since you only really touched a barren version of Victory Road when it came to recognizable Kanto landmarks, taking away from that "directly following in the footsteps of a legend's ghost" feeling you had with the entire time you were in Kanto.
>>735672749Well Oaker does have 7 pokemon if I remember correctly.
>>735669590he was the only good rival though. everyone else was made less and less threatening as the games went on.>blue: actually becomes the strongest trainer in the region and now you have to beat him.>???: can't even beat the elite 4 so he challenges you when you're on your way to fight them.>everyone else: can't even be mean to you. all pacified pussies. may/brendon literally give up halfway through their pokemon journey and don't even fully evolve their starter lmao.
>>735673802the story not being the exact same every game isn't a bad thing
>>735670347>as fart as I can smellbased and rival-pilled
>>735671185how big of stat boosts do badges give anyway?
>>735671840pokemon red: rocket edition would be a better name.
>>735673802Silver I'll forgive because he was more interested in just being powerful because of Team Rocket than the glory of a title like Champion. In Ruby and Sapphire it would have been sweet to reverse the original format and have the rival come in too late and be your first title defense though.I don't remember any other rivals besides Nemona because they were shite.
>>73567397612.5%
>>735670118It's pottery.
>>735673976For Gen 1, it's a 12.5% boost to the stat the badge applies to. Even more absurd is that badge boosts in gen 1 were glitched to reapply and stack every time a Pokemon's stat is raised or lowered by a move, so if you were hit by Leer, you were unironically hitting harder with your Attack stat if you had the Boulder Badge.
>>735672619they buffed meganium?
>>735670263>(which was pretty shitty if I recall)It's Blue's team but with a Tauros and the remaining starter. Since Tauros is so fucking good, it's automatically better than Blue's.
>>735671512Based. Rot in piss claude
>>735673878they could at least try to make the rivals interesting.>>735674025>In Ruby and Sapphire it would have been sweet to reverse the original format and have the rival come in too late and be your first title defense though.yeah, that would've been interesting.
>>735674096Mega Meganium's ability means it always counts as being in harsh sunlight when utilising it's moves. So permanent 1 turn solar beams, 2/3 health synthesis etc.
>Mega Meganium>Mega Emboar>Mega Feraligatr>the 3 Johto starters
>>735674096We finally got its ability in Champions, it's a new one called Mega Sol that makes it so all of Meganium's moves act as if they were being affected by Sun Weather, even if that isn't the actual weather.Basically this means, unless Mega Sol is being suppressed, it can ALWAYS pull off no-charge Solar Beams, get the maximum amount of healing from Synthesis, and Weather Ball is buffed to be a 100 base power fire type move.It's not god-tier, and unfortunately being confined in Champions means we probably won't ever see this be practically applied to an official game's campaign, but it's an impressive ability that gives it some surprising versatility, even on teams of opposing weathers like Rain Teams.
>>735674269We don't acknowledge Typhritzl anymore
ash can never really beat gary because gary fucked his mom
>>735674530Pretty sure you're thinking of Mr Mime again
>>735674553Delia's the town bike, EVERYONE'S fucked her.
>>735674553Mr Mime was the replacement for when Gary left Pallet town permanently he's roughly the size of a preteen boy, after all
>>735674587>Mr Mime's roughly the size of a preteen boy>Delia's the size of an average human motherNOW we're talkin
>>735670163Maybe not enough space on the cart. I can imagine still using the Blue boss fight before Oak. Just have Blue be waiting in the lobby with an audience with the champion.Explains why Oak was even there.
>>735669590Cheren is my favorite rival because he gets upset that he can't beat you and you slowly beat into him that he will never win over the course of the game until he accepts it.
>>735674297Ever since that leak I've named all my Typhlosions Epstein
>>735670163Oak being the final boss would ruin the very idea of your rivalry. Blue works as the final fight because you've spent the entire game with him one step ahead. Even if you beat him in battle along the way he always gets everywhere first and taking the championship from him with nowhere left to go is the proof that even if he was faster, ultimately you were better and he can never take that away from you.
>>735674025silver is just a retarded scrub, you beat his ass and he runs away saying "i went easy on you, loser" several times and then just suddenly has a change of heart right at the end.i'm pretty sure him being giovanni's son was added in the remakes.>>735670163oak should've been the secret superboss, like red was in gsc
>>735675140It was not, him being Giovanni's son is from Pokemon Adventures which has all the best versions of the characters.
>>735669590Claude threads were some of the best we've had in years, it felt like old 4chan, just a bunch of anons watching something together and making oc.Thank you faggots.
>>735675140He was literally an edgy nobody in GSC, he was only Giovanni's son in the manga.And then FRLG adopted what the manga did by implying the familial connection (a grunt in the Sevii Islands says Giovanni's kid has red hair) before HGSS confirmed it with the Celebi event.
>>735675364It should have been expected that they would work in elements from the manga to the games, Tajiri flat out stated that the manga is the best representation of what he wanted the world of Pokemon to be.That of course means that he wanted children to be literally tortured via continuous Zapdos attacks.
>>735675140>oak should've been the secret superbossThis would've been a great challenge unlocked for capturing the base 150 Pokemon, maybe with the reward for victory being some way to acquire Mew.
>>735675489And GameFreak thought Shudo was too much with his own vision for the Pokemon world...
>>735670864the enemy trainer if then statement list isn't very sophisticated in RBY. It's basically>don't do a status only move if the player is already statused (don't use glare after you use glare, don't use thunderwave on a confused pokemon)>on the second turn use a move like glare or thunderwave or swords dance (this was likely a typo where someone did the whole count at 0 vs count at 1 thing and should have been turn 1)>use effective moves>don't use ineffective movesso, since Alakazam doesn't know any super effective moves vs a normal type it just used a random move which was recover.the game only checks if a move is super effective vs one of your typings, which is why the Bulba line can rape Erika and Koga because they both thing>grass is weak to poisonand try to hit bulba with poison powder but it's immune due to the secondary poison typing >>735671185fuck off australian
>>735669590Final boss should have been Reds mom! >Ofcourse she would have Mr.Mime in her squad.
>>735675927>Final boss is Mr. Mine, and he sends out Red's mom to battle.
>>735675140>like red was in gscRed was more of a true final boss than a superboss.
>>735675224i wonder what's stopping another twitch stream from capturing /v/'s attention
>>735676164Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>735672534I like how that fag's response is still "spoonfeed me" we're fucking cooked as a species dawg
>>735675493The romhack Yellow Legacy does this. It also adds a post-game nurse joy fight that functions as normal type boss trainer. Neat romhack
>>735674297Typhlosion is the only pokemon that FUCKS. Humans are mere KEKS to him.
>>735669590True, which is why gen 2 & 9 are the best ones
>>735676706Fucking loser has to use drugs and gaslighting to get but a crumb of pussyBased Slaking just takes ladies whenever he needs to replenish his stock of children and gives it to them until they like it
A final boss in Poggemon should have a team full of 100 lvl pokemon, some of them legendary like Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno, etc. Otherwise it's just a failure of an ultimate boss. Add in Mew or Mewtwo for it to really feel serious.
>>735676765This was the lamest pokemon game I ever played.I got it for free and I still feel ripped off.
>>735676164Because we're not watching some grifting subhuman who only wants donations and views, we're watching a FREE stream of a retarded LLM, a glorified chatbot, who is equipped only with basic insteuctions about the game and trying to solve it on his own using purely mathematical "thought".
>>735676783Making your rape victim understand and agree that what's happening is her own fault is the coolest
>>735669590thanks for the spoiler asshole
>>735669719>pokemon champion being an actual champion instead of a random kid that started the journey with you and who you stomped many times already>"Surprise fuck you"???
>>735677340>actual championHe's not even a trainer, suddenly dropping him in from nowhere at the end as the very best trainer is retarded
>>735677397Oh, I'm not in favor of Oak being the final boss, just that I'd rather have a completely new character be the champ than Gary/Blue.
>>735669773That's not very wholesome how about instead your rival is your best friend and tries to avoid winning so you don't feel bad.
I guess no one here played Red and/or Blue.A shame, if you read the E-mail Oak gets at the start of the game then the reason why Blue is the champion will make a lot more sense.For those less informed, the Pokemon league was brand new and you and Blue were it's first challengers.Play the games before commentating please.
>>735677793Why would I read Oak's emails?
>>735677821>Why would I blindly assume things outside of my understanding.Okay.
>>735677873Why would I blindly assume that it's ok to read someone's emails?Post your hand.
>>735677913The twist wasn't that Blue was the champion, the twist was that there was a champion in the first place.It was the Elite 4, there wasn't supposed to be a 5th battle, it is just Blue got there first, as he always had done.Seriously, play the first gen games, they hold up as a 90s RPG quite well.
You KILLED his Raticate, then you killed his ambitions, forcing him to turn to a career of total loser (scientist).
>>735678016Now you are just mixing Blue and Gary Oak up.A common mistake.Since all game versions of Blue become a Gym leader.
>>735678007Ok this has gone on long enough so I'll fill you in: what you're rambling about has absolutely nothing to do with the actual complaint. Blue is an anticlimactic encounter here because he is already the person in Kanto that you have beaten more times than anybody else. Trying to justify it with the entire position of Champion being essentially meaningless due to it being so new that they just hadn't found someone yet strengthens that complaint, you moron.
>>735678016>forcing him to turn to a career of total loser (scientist).That's Gary in the anime, dipshit.Blue in the games actually takes up the role of Viridian City Gym Leader, having been thoroughly humbled by his dethroning loss after spending his whole journey being a cocky prick who thought he had it better because he was always one step ahead of Red.He's still one of the strongest trainers around, to a point where he's canonically considered a Battle Legend by the time of SMUSUM, right alongside Red.
>>735678007>there wasn't supposed to be a 5th battle, it is just Blue got there first, as he always had done.Makes no sense that the league has existed how long? And Pokemon have been around 50 years and been battling almost the entire time? And NO ONE ever beat the Elite Four to be champion?Why was Oak allowed in the Indigo Plateau when you need 8 gym badges to enter?
>>735678780>Why was Oak allowed in the Indigo Plateau when you need 8 gym badges to enter?Same reason as the receptionists, he's not a participant in the league.
>hawaiishit>canonmeds
>>735678780>And NO ONE ever beat the Elite Four to be champion?That's literally what happened, yes. You have to remember that most trainers are casual enthusiasts who can only afford to raise 1-3 Pokemon tops, or snot-nosed brats who think they're hot shit because they're lugging around 6 Caterpie.Lance might have an out-of-universe reputation of being the Jobber King, but in-universe he's revered as one of the most talented Dragon Masters for a reason, and anyone that's ever came close to tasting championship got their ass beat by his team.Red and Blue are canonical prodigies and blitzed the Kanto region faster than anyone else ever has AND had zero struggle with the Elite Four, that's why they're considered absolute legends worldwide.
>>735676865yeah but there would be other nonhuman streams4chan never got hooked on any of the other LLMs playing pokemon, or the goldfish playing pokemon, or infinite seinfeld/family guy, or ai jesus etci think at some points 4chan has gotten into watching livestreams of CCTV or things like He Will Not Divide Us, but it seems weird that there aren't more events that we all gather aroundlike the other anon said, it feels like there hasn't been something like claude plays pokemon in at least 10 years
>>735670248I liked what BW did where you don't even battle Adler because N's castle crashes into the Pokémon League.
>>735669590>>735669739>Remember that old man back at the start of the game hours and hours ago? He's the secret boss.vs>Your weasely rival who berates you and is constantly nipping at your heels, being both ahead of you in the journey but behind you in the bond shared with pokemon that the journey was all aboutGetting a surprise twist is exciting but that's it. There's no narrative there and a surprise for the sake of a surprise is not only dull over time but it isn't memorable. That's why tropes like deus ex machina or the hand of the writer descending is widely considered a gay ass pull and the mark of a lazy and/or amateur writer.
What the fuck was this about?
>>735678939They haven't played the games anon.I already established this.Oak has an E-mail at the start of the game that tells us the Pokemon League has literally just started.
>>735678146Blue is also the only other person in Kanto attempting the Pokemon League which was formed as the game started.So there is no champion until he defeats Lance.
>>735679306It was supposed to be the main hook of the Johto arc. They'd open the GS Ball, it contained Celebi, and it would accompany Ash and friends for the majority of the region.Executive meddling got in the way of that though because they wanted Celebi to be in a movie instead, so they were forced to scrap the plotline, rush to write new scripts, and make sure everything was orderly in order to remain on schedule.This is why the GS Ball is unceremoniously dropped off with Kurt never to be seen or mentioned again, and it's also why Johto is an absolute snoozefest full of shitty filler episodes.
>>735679357And writing it to be that way is anticlimacticIt's not complicated
>>735679409I guess they should have made the Cooltrainer in Victory Road with the Bellsprout, Weepinbel and VIctreebel champion instead then.
>>735679493Why not? Apparently the only 2 people attempting the league both became the champion so why shouldn't he?
>>735679409Then there's no champion who would've been satisfying, by your standards.Oak would suck because "of COURSE the guy who gave me my Pokemon was the champion", Giovanni would suck because "of COURSE the yakuza/mafia boss was lying about disbanding Team Rocket and has his claws so deep into this place that he literally runs it at the top", and all the other characters are literally who.
>>735679568It should have been BILL
>>735679615"Of COURSE the guy who hoards Rare Pokemon and runs the storage system is the champion."
>>735679373Johto might be more interesting if you do an Oracle of Ages style situation where Celebi has the players explore certain places in the past and present.There was an episode like that in Sun & Moon and it was really good. Also involved Celebi.
>>735679615Bill is too broken.Fucker invented time travel. He could just go back in time and kill your mom. >>735679373I like the Celebi movie, but man does that suck. I also speculate Mewtwo was originally supposed to be the finale of Kanto but they changed it because of the movie.
This thread is proof Gary is the best guy to be champ coz everyone else sucks.
>>735672017>>735672289Armstrong doesn't come out of nowhere. He is revealed to be the bad guy halfway through the game, and even before then it's implied that Desperado is acting on somebody's orders since they're a PMC.
>>735679615I always wanted to capture Bill while he was in pokemon form and use him as a slave
>>735679568When there's a complaint regarding writing then generally the solution would be for things to be written differently. I don't understand how that concept eludes you. When saying that the trainer I stomped like 6 times already being the final boss is lame the solution can be either: don't have me stomp him so many timesmake the champion be someone new just like all the other elite 4 weredon't have a champion at all, it wasn't expected that there would be one to begin with and people would be fine with Lance being the last hurdle
>>735679816I think either he shouldn't be champion, or the Route 22 fight should be removed.Fighting him right before victory road and then right after the elite 4 is a bit dull. One or the other would be good.
Has there been a type specialized Champion since Gen 3 (Wallace/Steven). I always thought that was an interesting choice. Lance doesnt count because his Gameshark team full of hacked Dragonite sucks.
Pokemon Sun and Moon is the only game that got the Pokemon League right. Professor building whole new League and Elite 4 throughout the game to get the islands officially recognized as a legitimate league. The final boss is just the professor testing you so YOU can be the Alolan leagues FIRST EVER and ONLY champion. Post game is your rival and other people coming for YOUR title and defeating them. And then Ultra Sun & Moon went and ruined all of that with the retarded Rival who you pubstomp somehow beat the league first trope.
>>735679976Iris
>>735672668read the other replies, retard
>>735680058Ah true. Dragon almost feels Iike cheating, but at least her team has dragons on it.
>>735678939This is crazy. I had no idea. I guess because I was 8 and failed to consider the context in the game. But later games make it seem like pokemon have been around for forever, as have trainers and some incarnation of the league so I assume it was retconned?
>>735679979>And then Ultra Sun & Moon went and ruinedLast gen with 3rd games. Would be DLC if released today with the Ultra Space and Rainbow Rocket arcs.From a creativity POV, Gen 7 is the absolute peak. The execution is lacking but it was also the last gen to have the full dex and have Pokemon transferable from as far back as Gen 3.
Please bring hard mode back and make it even harder. I just want to fight full teams without exposing myself to the cancer that is pokemon pvp
>>735669590bump
>>735670163your rationale for why oak would be a better boss fight is mainly that you beat blue. beating blue is part of story. oak not being a trainer you battle, but the elder who gives you and blue the quest of entering the world of pokemon, and eventually inducting you into the hall of fame, is what shapes the story. the story has internal archetypal logic. why do you need to be told this? probably someone born after 2000
>>735680476NTA, shits inconsistent. In silver and gold, both in the anime and game it was implied that they discovered 100 new pokemon. New, never before seen mons. Not just regional monsters that you haven’t see yet because we haven’t had a chance to go there yet.
>The final boss being the same loser I already curb stomped a dozen times previously is extremely anticlimactic.I think its awesome if done right, to be honest with you.
>>735680476The best way to consider it is 'birds have always existed alongside humans. how many types of bird live in your country?'
>>735671068He's too busy talking with Bernie Sanders and bombing Iran to hang out with us anymore
>>735685938>makes you underestimate him>whoops your ass>"i need to thank you anon, you showed me how to become stronger"would be kino
there's a romhack with oak being the final boss. it was a nice surprise.
>>735669590>stakes are raised, your rival is really the best trainer in the world (at the time)>but knowing you've beat him before gives you the confidence to do it againNone of the following champs gave this same feeling, at least of the gens I played. I could accept that Oak is some trainer beyond me, but I can't accept it for my rival. He has to be beaten.
>>735686521having to beat yourself from the previous game in the sequel was also kino, especially when lance was such a disappointment in gsc
>>735686269It would have been nice to have Oak use the other starter that got left behind. It seemed like a chekhov's gun to me, just sitting in his lab all game. I really expected something to happen with it, I used to go back and look to see if it was still there.
>>735672017Armstrong being able to take a hundred cuts from Raiden's sword no problem is silly. Still, it was clear early on that part of Raiden's goal was stopping Armstrong and it at least makes sense that he gets in a Metal Gear and defends himself.
>>735677271>Complaining about 20+ year old spoilersAeris dies
>>735669590I disagree with you anon. It's sad that you are so wrong.
>>735669590Xenoblade 2 did this and it fucking sucked. You beat Malos literally at the beginning of the game, and then you beat his douchebag goons halfway through the game, and then you beat Malos and his boyfriend again late into the game, and then you beat Malos one last time at the end of the game, and every single time he’s hyped up as this big bad villain who’s gonna destroy the world only to get curb stomped by a shota and his harem of retarded girls with daddy issues and that faggot with the giant sword. Like, holy shit, I swear Xenoblade 2 has to be a satire of JRPGs
>>735673802I miss snarky rivals. That fairy dude with the pink dress in Sw/Sh was the single only good thing about that game. It was such a relief to get someone with an actual attitude after suffering through a dozen characters constantly sucking your dick
>>735673025>>735672863You'd have probably just gotten the original map with Kanto as a single town
>>735672863>If Iwata didn't manage to get Kanto to fit, GS would have been even more anticlimactic.Iwata didn't do that. In fact what he actually did was sacrifice space to make loading times slightly faster.
>>735671335Erika's ass is not that huge.
>>735670347>>735670480technically speaking you also don't fight the professor in Paldea since it's a robotyou do fight the principal though
>>735679071Claude was the first LLM playing it and all the others tried to make it easier right off the bat when they got to it, and none of their commentary is as funny as Claude's either. There's not a big mystery to it, I mean, Claude wasn't a huge phenomenon here either. There were probably a dozen of us or so truly invested, maybe twice that at the peak, maybe twice THAT of people who occasionally checked in and laughedThey were (and will be again when he returns, as he will, trust the plan) more of a small club than some major /v/ thing
>>735669590Shut the fuck up!Guy lost his Ratatta and it was your fucking fault!
>>735695497>Guy lost his RattataTHE WRONG RAT DIED
>>735676275I like how none of you have provided any good reasoning to support your claim and you are just seething like a little bitch now.
>>735669739>Explain to me why having a rival challenging you to overcome obstacles is good
>>735697170>Overcome this obstacle that you already overcame 10 times
>>735669739He's your fucking rival. Guess what that means.
>>735697358>This is good writing because the game told me what to think and I have no internal monologue to think for myselfGuess what that means.
>>735697415>writingI mean this is barely writing but yeah the whole game is you and your rival competing and filling out the pokedex and Blue is the one that says he's going to become Pokemon Champion first and he doesthe idea oak is a secret champion and no one in pallet including his grandson knows it is pretty stupid by comparison
>>735675364>>735675140She was the mom probably
Blue is the only champion that makes sense because he's the only character in the game with emotional significance. He's a sneering, snickering piece of shit who looks down on you and talks shit to you every single time you see him. When you find out the motherfucker somehow got here before you, it gets your goat. When you smash his face into the pavement once and for all, it's emotionally satisfying. His grandpa even shows up, humiliates him talks down to him and puts him in his place, which is especially satisfying if you happen to be 8 years old. Any other angle you look at it is missing the point.>>735695197I've fucked her in person and yes it is.
>>735676275Fucking cooked blud no cap skibidi.I wouldn't want a movie to be an hour of a guy going about his normal day, and then near the end someone you've never seen before tries to beat him to death. Having the "villain" appear early on and again in the climax is a basic tenet of plot. It should be obvious what the main conflict is, and the story is getting ready to end when that conflict is going to be resolved.
So that anon who asked clod dev on twitter what's going on ever get a reply back or not?
>>735695197you looked at that pic and really said Erika's ass was the most offmodel thing? They destroyed Misty's chest.
>>735698159last I heard he woke up with a boulder outside his house. seems someone doesn't like us asking questions.
>>735698389Fuck...
I miss Claude.
I am never going to be able to play Gen 1 without seeing Fat Retard again
>>735698530Me too, man. Me too. I wanna draw some stupid crap again. I've tried to think of something funny for his absence but I've got nothing. Besides it's really funny the last thing I made was Fat Retard winning.
>>735669590Professor Oak was originally going to be the last fight ala Red in GSC and he would've had the third starter
>>735669590Him being the pokemon league champion is fineYou started together, kept pushing to get stronger because of him and then beating him at the end of a really tough fight is great especially since you just beat the elite four, lance telling you that you're the champion... or you would be if you got there firstWhat they should have done was keep the professor oak fight in the gameOak's computer invites him to the pokemon league, Oak said he used to be a serious trainer and Agatha confirms itThere's code in the game for the fight as well
>>735675489>That of course means that he wanted children to be literally tortured via continuous Zapdos attacks.well, the typhlosion leaks back that up
>>735671068
>>735672563I honestly thought it worked this way as a kid and was disappointed it didn't
>>735679246What about having Prof. Oak as a secret superboss, that you can challenge after becoming champion, and he is secretly far stronger than even the elite 4 and your rivel, but never bothered to collect 8 medals and become champion? And then he teaches you how a title means shit.
>>735671335Lorelei is a femcel
>>735700914yeah fucking right
>>735700979She's a workaholic who collects Pokemon plushies
>>735701010She absolutely banged Red over the big snorlax doll as thanks for helping her with the Team Rocket in Sevii islands
>>735669590for the last time, his name is dicks
>>735701010She's a sexaholic who gives paizuri to lucky boys.
>>735670163Blue is always one step ahead of you, he gets to the SS Anne captain and Bill before you etc. It's actually great writing.
>>735702582Also every time you get to a gym he's already on the list of winning trainers.
>>735702582>>735702837None of this means anything when you easily kick his ass every time you fight him
>>735679656>beat me in a pokemon battle? >can’t have that >enjoy not existing, kid
>>735703406okay neither does everyone in the game and neither would muh oakthey'll all die to charizard slash crits just the samelook at how smart you are for winning against your rival in a game for 8 year olds to beat
What you're forgetting is that you can lose to any of the earlier matches against Blue and not White Out, you just continue from there.You started the journey at the same time as him, crossing paths regularly, winning or losing, then facing him at the top of the pokemon world.
>>735703406If you're playing the game normally and explore towards the Pokemon league the first time you're in Viridian, he will beat the shit out of you
>>735705382He's also deadly on the nugget bridge if you don't know he's there are just exploring around the city before you begin grinding for misty
>>735705549>walking north before heading to the pokemon center as a kid just to see what's around
>>735669969>The same goal is in play over and over: beat Blue. Blue gets stronger and stronger, though, so that goal becomes harder to achieve.See that completely fails here and you conveniently avoid addressing the point in the OP that you easily beat the tar out of him in every one of his earlier encounters.
>>735705382>if you weren't dropped on your head as a child you didn't beat it
>>735706226yeah who would ever explore in a video game
>>735669739It doesn't work in other mediums where it would kill the stakes, but in an RPG where the recurring enemy powers up beside you it maintains tension
>>735703617To be fair, you didn't beat him. He still has a perfectly healthy Arcanine on the field.
>>735692531>load times on a game boy.Tell me you never touched a game boy without telling me you never touched a game boy.
>>735707314are you a fucking idiot?
>>735676783Its only amazing how pokefags took issue with typhlosion drug sex and not with the sadistic abuse woman getting raped to death by the slaking's tribe
>>735669590> boss being the same loser I already curb stomped a dozen times previously is extremely anticlimacticThis is exactly why I hate the "Godskin Duo" in Elden Ring.You faggots aren't even relevant to the story.
>>735671068>body on a pyreI am shamefully reminded of my unfinished claude 3 OC I started doing when he was near his end
>>735708309savedSplash sure didn't quite get to Shelly's size...
yeah obviously VII's not beating VR but like what if clod actually solved 3F and it wasn't on stream?what if he fought and ran away from moltres?we'd never know...
>>735708772Big Fat Retard WILL be Champion Forever
>>735707605you are an idiot who lacks words to explain>>735707314so, there is a decompression algorithm used to load up the graphics from a much smaller and compact data format.this, among other things, was one of the limiters for gen 1 graphics.gen 2 had a more complex algorithm, and that took up more space because it was trying to be a bit faster and get better graphics out of it, whereas gen 1 was purely made with the idea of saving space in mind.ultimately the gen 2 algo used up 10.7KB more space.the total cartridge size on those specific games was about 1 megabyte, and the original gen 1 rom was roughly 373 k, with yellow being like 500 or so kbgen 2 was 700 or so kb for gold/silver, and 900 something kb for crystal.Based on this, I think they had enough space that the 10kb from the compression algorithm didn't mean SHIT. and >>735692531 >>735707605 is wrong.Nintendo must have had, from the beginning, a model where they deliberately left room over to sell a "deluxe" third version with every duo.They probably also had a bit of extra room left over for the sake of giving the storage space room to perform certain operations, but how much was actually needed is... dubious.
>>735669590Silver is worse about this because every time you fight him it's>Hmph, I hate weaklings. Weak people are losers that always lose. A weakling like you would never understand, you weak loser.[sweep his entire team effortlessly]>Hmph, just what I'd expect from a weakling. You are so weak. Have I mentioned how much I hate weak people? You're as weak as Team Rocket, who I also hate for being weak.
>>735709165it's weird you just googled this, got the numbers, then ignored the conclusion of the reddit post citing all its sources you took it from, including a direct comparison of space world 97's loading time versus release GSC'sbut hey, you do you retard
>>735709493Silver isn't the final boss, so how can he be worse about it?
>>735709493I think it's intentional. Guy is just kind of a loser.
>>735675140Red only worked because it was the sequel. I do like the idea of Oak being the final boss, but Blue being the one is good enough. Also his new theme rocks.
>>735676765>gens after 2eww
>>735709573>how DARE you look at the numbers and not blindly agree with some random redditor!ok broI don't care what some random redditor says with the same knowledge of numbers I found (which, btw, varied enough I decided to be vague)
>>735712154you could leave it to the people who actually dug into this and posted in the first place instead of regurgitating your horseshit
Is there a Gen I hack that mixes things up, but doesn't load the game full of shitmons from later gens / have too soft an approach? Sort of like a remix, start somewhere else in the region, maybe have different gym leaders / order, slap some nicer sprites / colour in, etc.
>>735712314>SHUT UP AND AGREE WITH REDDITORS I REFUSE TO LINKuhhhh no?Also, I don't think you even read my post properly about the conclusions I came to.I fully agreed that the new algorithm sped up loading times, dumbass.
>>735712396I don't think anything in it was worth reading when you tell someone who said the correct thing they're wrong and then go and google information which originally all comes from one post saying exactly what you said is wrongwhat the fuck are you doing retard? Really, it's wrong it took up more space for the algorithm but decreased loading times? But wait, you're saying now that actually the gen 2 algo took up more space in that post, and in this post you say you totally admit it loaded faster, soWhat was wrong, retard? Huh?
>>735712676>its just an angry rambling retard who couldn't muster the attention to read what I explained in >>735709165ok bro if you are just gonna be STUPID and get angry and confused because you couldn't be assed to read anything then fuck off.>it took up more space and loaded fasteryes? are you stupid?here is a simple chart made with shapes and blocks for children.this is like the nintendo thread where the tendies fucked up on math all over again.
>>735713108yeah dipshitthat's literally exactly what the anon you said was wrong saidmaybe, sometime, read the post you linked to yourself I guessyou absolute fucking moron, holy shit>>735692531
>>735713170uh no?the anon said that the algorithm was WHY they couldn't fit in the full kanto map.I disagreed because the size difference in the algorithms and space left on the cartridge made me think they HAD the space, and that the decision was made BEFORE they released crystal, because they clearly had a business model of using far less space than needed for the base games of each generation.YOU can't read properly.
>>735713295>n fact what he actually did was sacrifice space to make loading times slightly faster.>sacrifice>space>make>loading>fasterare you just fucking stupid? read the words. What the fuck is wrong with you? the post directly says finding space for Kanto wasn't what Iwata did you absolute monkey brained retard and that he USED UP SPACE for a compression algorithm to load the game faster, not the myth of "Iwata optimized the game so much they could fit in the whole Kanto map" which is what the post he was responding to was aboutHow many fucking times were you dropped on your head as a child?
>>735713435>REEEEE HE SAID SACRIFICE SO SHUT UP AND STOP THINKING WAAAAHHHHHHNo?like, dude.I went back and checked the numbers.they had 26kb or so of space still on that cartridge.the algorithm added HALF that amount of space.So what it comes down do is if the free space on the cartridge is NEEDED or not, like it is on OTHER types of memory such as hard drives.I did not think it was needed, because the only changing variables would be the RAM that is used for save files on the game boy system.I check further and it isntIwata didn't SACRIFICE space at all.He had SPACE TO SPARE.Dumb fucking illiterate.
>>735713550holy shit you really are so retarded you don't know what sacrifice space means. It means he didn't reduce the game size, he actually INCREASED IT to get faster loading. Sacrificing space. Giving it up. That doesn't mean he gave up all available space, it means that SOME space was the sacrifice for loading times. Jesus fucking christ. You are so god damn stupid it's unbelievable.
>>735705382Yeah OP is capping on that part about it being easy. Blue is not even supposed to be an easy foe.I guarantee if he was alive back when R/B/Y first came out, he would have lost at least one rival fight.
>>735713680>cries about MUH SACRIFICE because he is so mad he wont readlmao fucking retardanyways, I think I found out what ACTUALLY happened.Pokemon gold/silver ran SIGNIFICANTLY over its budgeted development time.it took 3.5 years to complete, and their bosses wanted them to get it done in ONE year.Kanto was not cut smaller because BRAVU IWATA GLORIOUS SACRIFICE SPACEKanto was cut short because they did not have the TIME to fully encode a full sized map of the kanto region in, and they had ended up taking far more time than intended putting it in already.The GLORIOUS SACRIFICE bullshit was a simple smoothing over of the real story.
>>735713868sorry you don't understand what words mean but they're important for conveying meaning of statements and intentalso you literally do not know anything about this kanto was never bigger on GSC you stupid faggot, Kanto was smaller in the early builds being a single town and they eventually increased it to the closer-to-full size. It was never, ever cut down. Ever. It's the exact fucking opposite.
>>735676765This isn't cool at all. He looks nothing like a boss. He looks like a zesty flaming faggot. He looks like a random NPC at a gay bar in GTA6. He looks like a soulless dime a dozen content creator with the most homosexual haircut and beard ever. He looks like he is about to upload his makeup routine to instagram. He looks like he's addicted to starbucks and follows "European" football because he finds the players (niggers) attractive. He looks like he has no personality, no opinons, no goals, outside of what his social media feed has told him.Fucking Miror B was more imposing than this fag.
>>735714006>sorry anon but REDDIT CANNOT BE WRONGlol>kanto was never bigger on gscnobody said this so I can only assume your illiterate ass is misreading things and making up fanfiction.though nintendo's OFFICIAL story was that they were struggling to fit both regions in at full size, so already you are wrong anyways.But of course a retarded illiterate redditor like you wouldn't bother looking into things that require reading.anyways, nintendos official story about struggling to fit both maps into gold/silver is a blatent lie because the completed ROM is slightly over HALF the size available in the game cartridge.They lied because they were always intending to release pokemon crystal and they knew the extra stuff on there was gonna require even MORE space, but they wouldn't actually KNOW until they got to the end.Crystal was still a year away and they needed as much wiggle room as they could get.THAT was why they lied, and why they looked to shave down the size of kanto.>b-b-b-b-b-b-ut MUH GLORIOUS NIPPON SACRIFICEdidn't happen.the algorithm OFFICIALLY saved space and made it easier to compress the maps in and decompress them to the level of graphics nintendo wanted.So, even though I don't trust their official statements, according to nintendo you and reddit are full of shit, and the algorithm SAVED space overall instead of GLORIOUSLY SACRIFICING it :)
>>735708309can i download this?i had to move on to other threads because i was starving for ridiculous things to draw poorly in mspaint
>>735714006>>735714340I didn't check when I posted, but I checked now and confirmed that yes, I AM right about nintendos statement of the algorithm saving space by letting them decompress things to a higher level of graphics.the second generation of games used a much larger color palette, thus making everything require more space.
>>735714340>Kanto was cut short because they did not have the TIME to fully encode a full sized map of the kanto region in, and they had ended up taking far more time than intended putting it in already.huh what does cut short mean anon?>nintendos official story about struggling to fit both maps into gold/silver is a blatent lieholy shit you're almost at the start of the post chain where you said anon was wrong for saying this! truly you are not retarded!> even though I don't trust their official statements, according to nintendo you and reddit are full of shit, and the algorithm SAVED space overallplease point to a single post anywhere you have responded to saying the algorithm saved space
Imagine how shitty everyone else must be at training pokemon if a couple 10 year old kids from a tiny ass town can become the two strongest trainers in the whole country in a few months
>>735703764>slashThis is a cut strength flamethrower fire blast board
>>735714464the archive anon probably has it in the mega since I was posting progress but I will do you one better.have this PNG of the project without the background layer (which was just an image of the scene from edgerunners)I am not an artist or anything, so do with it what you want.I was hoping to make the gold bricks of celadon fade into an endless spin-tile maze, but never got there.
>>735714626>strength and cut>instead of fire spin and embermy 8 year old self would have brutally mogged your inferior Charizard with less fire movesalso dig/slash/ember/flamethrower is the /v/ approved zard lineup, may Blaze II rest in peace
>>735714549Everyone else has to actually raise their Pokemon like actual pets or accommodate them like familiars.Blue has the benefit of being a nepo baby who can entrust his Pokemon's needs to Oak, the literal leading authority of Pokemon research, and Red has this little convenience called "being the protagonist" where he doesn't actually have to do any of that and every single Pokemon he catches instantly loves him and would die for him.
>>735714525>he doesn't know what cut short means>he cannot comprehend that I am saying it turns out the algorithm didn't actually sacrifice space, but rather saved it.Hooooo boy.Look if you are THIS bad at reading english give the fuck up.I sincerely hope you are just ESL because this is unacceptable for any native english speaker over 18.
>>735714751>every single Pokemon he catches instantly loves him and would die for him.wasn't there a thing where they would ignore your commands if you didn't have the gym badge required for their level
>>735714669ahhh fuck it didn't keep the transparency.fucking paintdotnetI don't use it enough
>>735714870only traded mons (really should have been any mon to prevent overleveling in a world building way)
>>735714829cool except the algorithm did take up more space and we know this from using the algorithms to compress both games and compare their resultant sizesyou've been chimping out because you're illiterate and retarded and have zero clue what you're talking about
>>735714870yes. they would use the games AI to make moves instead of following whatever you told them.I don't know if there was a chance for them to listen or not since I never let it get to that point.
>>735714967>cool except the algorithm did take up more spaceyou are a retarded ESL (hopefully) who didn't read.nobody EVER said the algorithm didnt take up more space than the old one, ANYWHERE.you are just too stupid to read how it ended up using less space overall.
>>735714984traded pokemon above your badge's level cap would disobey and do nothing sometimes instead of the move you wanted>>735714936yeah would've been nice. crazy they never actually implemented it despite not liking people rushing through the game with just their starter.
>>735715052the algorithm did not use less space. They also had almost an entire megabyte free so space wasn't even a fucking concern dude, they could have unironically put twice the game on the cart.
>>735713108>>735712676>>735712396>>735712314I just looked at the pic and didn't read the other shit, but isn't the actual cart Gold and Silver are printed on bigger than the the RBY cart? Like the GS carts are GBC compatible late gen carts like the legend of zelda DX where as RBY is an early gen colorless cart
>>735715192Yes. JP RB were on a 500KB, Western RB were on a 1MB and GSC were on 2MB carts. Space was never an issue, Iwata didn't perform magic to get Kanto on the cart, all he did was make a different compression method that sped up loading. Kanto never got cut, it only expanded in size through the whole project, and space was never a fucking concern for anything.
>>735715152bait>>735715192I keep finding conflicting information on that one.If it was printed on the newer one then the arguments made by reddit and nintendo are even more retarded and fall apart further, but I wanted to assume it was on a more limited cartridge since some sources were trying to claim it was still on the OG one with a size limit of 1 mb.I was satisfied to find that even IF it was on the old cartridge, it would have fit.This all just leads back around to the REAL issue being that pokemon gold/silver took too long to develop and put both maps on. NOT an issue of space.meaning the illiterate and reddit are wrong either way
>>735715421>baittruth actually, maybe if you google around on this topic you just learned about more you'll realize how fucking retarded you are
>>735715507>more baitsorry bro, already found the truth via google and doing basic math and reasoning.reddit's lies from tendies who suck at math wasn't needed.
>>735714936>(really should have been any mon to prevent overleveling in a world building way)Funny thing is, they did put this in place for Legends: Arceus and Scarlet/Violet, even for mons you caught, but it doesn't matter because if you caught your mon at a level where it would obey, it can still overlevel and still obey. Presumably because from the mon's perspective you "earned" that power and helped facilitate its growth to that point, which STILL means you can just solo the game with your starter or some earlygame menace like Nidoking.
>>735715567that's funny since you don't know what sacrifice means
>>735715260supposedly the algorithm DID save some space on decompressing the more complex color palette though.My guess is that nintendo had a hard requirement of the deluxe game needing to be able to fit on the older 1mb limit of the last generation gameboy original cartridges.No other reason to cut it so close to that neat little number.
>>735669590You quite literally didn't grow up with any friends
>>735715583>retarded illiterate drops the mask to seethelol
>>735715659>supposedlyit didn't, we fucking know what it did because crystal has been entirely decompiled and we know the compression algorithms they used
>>735715717>calling anyone illiterate>when you said someone was wrong and took hundreds of words to say the same thing they said>but you didn't know what they said because you didn't read itbig lol
>>735715659you'd be astonished at how much space goes to waste in games on banked memory systemsunless one programs the game in assembly and lays out the rom by hand, most memory banks will have a plenty of unused space at the end of them
>>735715726you aren't listening to what I am saying.the stuff that went through the NEW algorithm ended up needing less space in its compressed form than it would under the old one.anyways I found more reason to believe it was a hard limit thing. >>735715849So pokemon gold/silver was originally meant to finish up a YEAR before gameboy color (and the gbc 2mb cartridges) would even be released.That means that both GS and crystal were originally put together with the existing limit of only ONE mb sized cartridges.>>735715795>more seethetendies....
>>735715880to continue, this now brings up the question of:why didn't nintendo just let them put in the full sized maps now that they had come up with cartridges with TWICE the capacity halfway through development?And I dunno that one.Some corporate fuckery perhaps? maybe someone was being a jackass because they were annoyed by the delays in the project taking more than triple the expected amount of time?
>>735715880you aren't listening to what's realitycompressing both games with both formats results in their file sizes being larger than using the prior formatit lost space, simple as, nothing else about it, and in sacrificing that space they gained loading speed. this is one of the most embarrassing scrambles to backpedal I've seen in a while.
>>735716010dollars and cents and market analysis
>>735716010no wait, I can answer my own question>>735716084hold onMy guess is that game freak, which is independent technically (which I forgot, dumbass me) had ALREADY committed to a deal to purchase the cartridges needed ahead of time.Similar to the bullshit NOW with graphics cards chips, deals made for future production of components are actually quite common, though not to such a fucky degree.So if they committed to buying the NEW cartridges, they would need to CHANGE the deal AND pay for a much BETTER product.So nintendo would have wanted a lot of money.>>735716078>retarded illiterate continues to seethe
>>735716240another thought occurred to me so I will double postthe game was supposed to come out 2.5 years EARLIER than it did.meaning gamefreak would have needed to either cancel their deal for cartridges, or leave it alone.the latter would have meant they had ALREADY made a massive stockpile of 1mb cartridges and paid nintendo for them.So they could have been locked into producing a game that used them or end up REALLY wasting money.
>>735716078btw I decided to make a new chart designed for retarded tendies like yourself so that some of you would understandtook me less than a minute
>>735716010bigger carts are more expensive and eat into profits
>>735716792yep, thats what I realized here >>735716240 along with some other important things.
>>735716848what's weird is it came out a year after links awakening and the GBC. Links awakening used the dual cart in 1998, GS didn't release in japan until 1999, unless it was supposed to be on the same grey carts RBY were on
>>735716783>>735716383>>735716240god damn you are stupid
>>735716792they used the 2MB carts.
>>735717283that was because of what I mentioned here >>735715880 and >>735713868when the game was originally being made and deals would have been struck it was supposed to release 2.5 years before nintendo was even ready to come out with the gameboy color and its bigger cartridges.It was never supposed to be a gameboy color era game, but it ended up taking 3.5 years to develop instead of 1 year.>>735717473>tendie can do nothing but seethetypical>>735717564they may have, but that would not have been a happy decision, and the ROM file sizes clearly show that they were trying to make it fit into the older size ones.I am betting there was an annoying mess behind the scenes typical of a lot of shit in the 90's when tech was exploding in capabilities every year.You had a lot of new and improved stuff coming out all the time, but some of it was turning out to be dead ends in terms of profit or capability because something better might come out and you missed the mark by a mere month.
>>735717754>may havethey did, dumbass, there's no mayyou've spent all this time trying to get to the bottom of a mystery that's been solved for years
>>735712393There's a good number of hacks for gen 1, though gen 3 hacks are much more common, you might be happier with one of those. Pure Red is very close to the original game, but has enough new shit to be worth it.
>>735717867No?You are a seething illiterate who cannot even tell what I was arguing about lol.
>>735669590imagine if you were a dumb kid and got curbstomped a bunch of times instead
>>735717905>blahblahblahblahblah I don't know what sacrificing space for faster loading meanssure thing lil gup
>>735718027>blahblahblahblah I don't understand they still had space and that the larger algorithm required less space from the compressed data so zero space was actually "sacrificed"seething tendies bro.no reading comprehension, no maths, only rage and reddit lmao
>>735718027>>735718080Just get a room and fuck already.
>>735718116Well I already fucked him pretty hard but he IS being a thirsty little tendie bottom about it.Know any places?
>>735718080>still had space>still doesn't know you can have an entire 1MB free and sacrificing 1kb of it is sacrificing space>still thinks it's less space with the algorithmhoooooly retard
>>735718215>tendie still has zero reading abilityhush now, kitten. daddy is looking for a place we can continue to play
>>735717754>they may have,it's not a >may havethey used the same dual mode carts as Zelda DX
>>735718263I only play with people who know what sacrificing space means. Do you?
>>735718317Well I did have to sacrifice some space... your tight little hole couldn't handle all of me.
>>735712393>>735717880most romhacks are for fire red/leaf green. idk of they are easier to hack, trannies have more nostalgia for them or if it's because FRLG has shit like abilities that were introduced in gen 3
>>735718357but did it decrease loading times?did you say in a post before that they used up more space to decrease loading times? you know just curious about that thing you said that you said the other person didn't say and was wrong about. But then said. And are still melting down over not reading a post you typed multiple paragraphs in response to.
>>735718452Honey the only one not reading posts is YOU :)Now stop being so horny, its disturbing the other anons.>>735713108 and >>735716783 already explained to you, but I must have fucked you silly or you were just brainless beforehand like most tendies.
>>735718386Originally it was because Gen 3 had the most hacking tools available for it, then when decomp hacking started which allowed for serious expansion and modification to the game, FRLG and Emerald were among the first to get the decomp treatment and subsequently received tons of resources and viable rombases for baby's first romhack.
>>735718547can't answer? I understand it's difficult when you've spent all this time sperging out trying to deflect.
>>735718618>gets an answer>cant read because stupid tendie>decides there was never an answeroh honey...
>>735718386Nostalgia probably plays a big part in it, but those two have a ton of hacking tools so actually making one is easier, as >>735718576 said.
>>735718657it's really just a simple yes or no but I get it's really hard to admit after parading around your retardery
>>735718738you were given a yes/no answer in the posts, baby girl :)
>>735669590You're the exact same person who liked getting your subverted by the new star wars movies thoughbiet.
>>735718787so yes you did say anon was wrong then spend several entire posts arguing to say exactly what he saidinterestingsounds like something only a retard who never comprehended the posts would do ;^)
>>735718842>arguing to say exactly what he saidnope.that is you being an illiterate retard and getting mad about it, as was already explained, my little cocksleeve <3
>>735718891weird, can you point out your words that weren't?I mean I see this post right here>>735713295saying you think anon is saying the algorithm was why they couldn't fit in the kanto map. Which wasn't what was said. Just seems like you can't read, I don't know.
>>735718973>Which wasn't what was saidyes it was.you are an illiterate little fuckhole only good for being drilled, so you cannot comprehend anything beyond the exact string of words used, rather than the meaning of them.
>>735719072Iwata didn't do that. In fact what he actually did was sacrifice space to make loading times slightly faster.please isolate the section of this post that says "Because Iwata sacrificed space they couldn't fit the whole Kanto map." I'll wait, you can draw an MS paint image lining up the words with the ones you see.
>>735719164>was sacrifice space to make loading times slightly fastersorry darling, both the raw facts and official statements prove you wrong <3I already drew the explanations of what happened, bimbo.You are too stupid to understand
>>735719261so you can't find that statement in there? how puzzling. you assured me he said it, yet you can't point where.
>>735719316>bimbo ignores the answer againpoor dumb thing
>>735719350I'm sure you'll manage to make a sentence mean something completely different somehow eventually. 2 more weeks?
>>735719396Alright lets spell it out for you:anon A talks about Iwata managing to get kanto to fit >>735692531 (false, as proven by original specs and official statements)anon B says iwata had to sacrifice space to make loading times faster >>735692531 (also false, proven by showing that there was space given the specs available at the time that there was ALWAYS enough space, and that by release there was SPACE FOR DAYS)you or another tendie then rages and seethes about retards on reddit.these are their posts, I imagine you talked about here >>735709573There is a reason I don't give a shit about redditors and tumblr, babycakes.Iwata didn't sacrifice any space because they never even used up all the space available.To sacrifice you need to give something up.They didn't give up anything.As was said before, the problem was the time.3.5 years of development is 3.5x as EXPENSIVE as 1 year, my used-up cumsock.They had the time to put more of kanto in and fit it on the cartridges they used, possibly even the original cartridges they were GOING to use.but they took too long, and YOU were wrong.what a nice little rhyme :)
And once more, the retarded illiterate tendie gets their back blown out
>>735719678>Anon B says iwata had to sacrifice space to make loading times fasterweird, you just said right here >>735713295>the anon said that the algorithm was WHY they couldn't fit in the full kanto map.so which time is it you can't read? Then? Or is it now when re-reading your own post?
>>735719759>illiterate retard shows he cannot read againlmaol
>>735719810which one is it anon? those don't mean the same thing. Which time was it you didn't read?
>>735719856>retard doesn't know what sacrifice means after bitching so long about its definitionlmao
>>735719882>he truly>unironically>doesn't know what sacrifice means>literally cannot fathom what "sacrificing space for a new compression algorithm that increased loading times" means>still going on about it having any relevance to the total space available>still can't point to where anon said Kanto not being the full map was cut for the algorithmit's honestly so weird to keep doubling down on your humiliation, I'm sure a few more tendies and illiterates will deflect away from your own inability to comprehend language.
>>735720057>give up nothing at all>call it a sacrificetendie sluts.... nothing was sacrificed if they had space to spare
>>735720165>use extra space to store data>what do you mean that's sacrificing storage space for faster loading times?>what do you mean that wasn't my original argument and I originally said they used up more space on the rom cart for the algorithm in my first long post?>what do you mean I said things I said? I didn't!!!! That anon said this thing I made up!
>>735720278>use extra space to store datathey didn't, as was explained to you oh so many timesthey didn't use it for anythingpoooooor dumb little tendie
>>735720329>>735709165>ultimately the gen 2 algo used up 10.7KB more space.
>>735720373>be gamefreak>have 1024 kb of space on your original card>don't need to use any other space for anything because its read-only the same as many other types of storage like optical disks>make a game that you are planning to have a deluxe version of>ultimately you end up with 50 kb of unused space you never needed>but you also made an algorithim 10.7 kb biggeralright tendie. what is 50.0-10.7?
>>735720492>have 1000 free units of storage>need to use 10 of them>you have sacrificed 10 units of storage for the thing you put there
>>735720546>give up something you were not using>give up nothing>call it a sacrifice>sacrifice means you gave up something>but you gave up nothingohhhhhh is math too hard?come on little kitten50 kb of NOTHING minus 10.7 kb.do the math.
>>735720606>give up something that is available to be used for storage>it is sacrificing total size for performancelanguage is seriously not your strongsuit. numbers aren't really either but damn, you are bad at words. I'm sure you'll get around to pointing out where he said anything about Kanto in that post.
>>735720691>tendie REFUSES to do basic math>STILL cannot comprehend "sacrifice"why is some simple subtracting stumping you, tendie?what's wrong?
>>735720741>anon still doesn't understand languageI'm sorry you don't understand what sacrificing space for loading times mean, but you could have avoided embarrassing yourself if you just admitted you didn't know what sacrificing space means.
>>735720823>STILL refusing to do math>STILL cannot comprehend nothing was given uptendies in shambles
>>735669590Idk when I first played this game as a 8 year old losing the first battle when you get your starter cause I thought growl would do damage or when I lost to him trying to sneak past the guards for victory road without any badges and was suprised or that time when he shows up in the Pokemon Tower after grinding through the Rock Tunnel and I ran out of potions so he kicked my ass the first time it was pretty kino to finally get my ultimate revenge. I could see why as a jaded 35 year old man who has plenty of life experience and tons of relative experience in other pokemon games and media to think that way.
A lot of the discussion here is based on half-remembered quotes from Iwata, so I'm going to repost the relevant part from the Heart Gold Iwata Asks.
>>735720849>still can't comprehend that having less space available means space was sacrificed for the inclusion of somethingit's very impressive to be this stupid and keep doubling down
>>735720868its interesting but doesn't contribute much.shows that they were really freaking out though.Just proves my (correct) theory about them struggling to make it fit on the older cartridge.What is more interesting is just looking back to see a time when a company president was actually MORE capable than the employees at a core part of their job with programming.Can you anons (who stuck around) even imagine that now?>>735720946why haven't you solved the math yet, tendie?unused space on read-only memory is negative space. its nothing.you cannot sacrifice nothing and call it a sacrifice
>>735721071>sacrifice nothingif you have 1000 units of free space and use 10 of them it's sacrificing the space anon, I'm sorry you don't know language but that is how it works. They had space and his algorithm did not SAVE space, it USED it. SACRIFICED it. For a reason, which was load time improvement. All this because you just don't know words.
>>735721212I have 1000 units of NOTHING and I sacrificed 10 units of NOTHINGsooooo you sacrificed nothing?got it.you sacrificed... nothing.so it wasn't a sacrifice?cool.
>>735721265whoa... 10kb is 0kb? whoa...................................
>>735721309oh, and no, it didn't even use up space.it SAVED space because the memory going through it takes up LESS space over all, as per THIS graph right here you keep ignoring. >>735716783>I have 1024 kb of spacepart A is really big, part B is really small.right now part A takes up SO much space it wont fit.I found a way to make part B a little bigger so part A can be way smallerI used LESS space!So I sacrificed NOTHING. NOT EVEN SPACE.And since unused space literally has no purpose, unused space isn't even something that can BE sacrificed.
>>735670263It was actually pretty good. Tauros, Alakazam, Arcanine, Gyarados, Exeggutor, and the starter weak to yours, iirc
>retarded tendie stormed off again because they can't do math or comprehend that unused Read-only memory isn't something you can sacrifice
>>735721416But you said it took 10.7kb of space in the same post you said anon was wrong for saying it took up more space.It did sacrifice space. Unused space can in fact be sacrificed, because it is is an entity. It is fillable space. When you use up 10kb of storage, you have 10kb less. That 10kb can't be used for anything else, because now it's there, when it wasn't before. Insane how that works.
>>735722630>10.7kb of unused memory is somehow "something" despite it being nothing but empty space until usedtendie is raging again yay
>>735722675>I don't get it, the bucket is empty, there's nothing in it, but when I pour water into it it starts filling up. How can this be? I can't get rid of nothing!
>>735669590I would have made it so his other battles were borderline impossible to win (Like 10 levels higher than your mons and with more powerful moves and stats) but if you lose the game keeps going regardless. That would make the final battle that you DO have to win a lot more impactful
>>735722740>the bucket is only half full of water....>I must SACRIFICE half of the empty space to fill itthats not what sacrifice means, though?
>>735714669Please give me an archive mega link, anon. Time keeps on slipping and the threads keep going relentlessly.
>>735722789>uuuoooo this bucket is half full and I want to add a few more drops of water>this isn't removing space from the bucket! I didn't lose anything! What do you mean it takes up more space? What do you mean there's less room if I for some reason wanted to add more water?difficult concepts I know, but actually yes you can sacrifice concepts like "space."
>>735722838sure https://mega.nz/folder/XgQBUSZY#Jky2QLZGJTBfpNGBKwGfkwnever knew if he continued to get everything or not though.>>735722857you only sacrifice space if you use for something.if it isn't used for anything, it is nothing.sacrifice means to give up something important.it isn't a synonym for "exchange" or "give up"it is a more severe version with a different meaning.ESLs are so dumb these days.
>>735722740oh, sacrifice isn't a synonym for "get rid of" either, just so you know.different words with explicit meanings. "get rid of" is a more general phrase, as opposed to "sacrifice"You are wrong in every way with your use of the word.
>>735722925so when you said "10.7kb was used for his compression algorithm" you actually meant "magically it didn't use any space despite being 10.7kb" in that postsacrifice means to give up literally anything. it need not be of value in common usage. Giving up free space for code is sacrificing free space for an algorithm.>>735723039Incorrect. Sacrifice is most commonly giving something up to a deity or giving something up for a cause or something in exchange, obviously originally religious, but it turns out language has the pesky way of evolving and using "sacrifice" in looser ways than that has been common for hundreds of years. One can sacrifice time for their children, or sacrifice people to Angra Mainyu, or you can sacrifice an amount of something for an amount of something else, among a few other lesser used cases too. To get the compression algorithm, they gave up 10kb of space. It is an entirely etymologically correct way of saying it.
>>735723236>sacrifice means to give up literally anythingnope> Sacrifice is most commonly giving something up to a deity or giving something up for a cause or something in exchangeoh so now its DIFFERENT?and no.its to give up something IMPORTANT, something of value.you don't give up a sock to a god and call it a sacrifice lol.ESLs are soooooooo stupid.How did you spend THAT much time googling and typing and fail to read the word "important" ????????
>>735722925Godbless you, anon.I really wish I contributed more while Claude 6 and 7 were up. Victory Road killed him, but time did him in.
>>735723315>oh so now its DIFFERENT?words often have various meanings and common conversation tends to use much laxer ones because that's how people work.but also no because the entire point is that anon was crystal clear in his meaning: they gave up 10kb of data for the algorithm. there's no way to misunderstand what he meant unless you are a true ESL having to google translate these posts.
>>735723419>suddenly ESL switches to talking about giving upoh so now its NOT sacrifice?what happened?why did you change the word to a DIFFERENT one with a DIFFERENT and lesser meaning hmmmmmmm?and no, they didn't give up anything.unused space isn't something you give up, its something you use.giving up anything would be if you gave up SOMETHING you would FILL the space with.
>>735723496There is literally no ambiguity in "sacrificing space for a compression algorithm." Are you telling me you did not, in fact, understand what anon said?
You have really been chimping out for this entire time because you misunderstood a common phrase?
>>735723537you are correct in there being no ambiguity in what YOU said :)the problem is that nothing was "given up" or sacrificed.Unused read-only memory is different from "space" as a general conceptkind of like how "sacrifice" is different from merely "giving up"unused read-only space is WASTED. it does NOTHING.its something you want to fill, so "give up" is not a phrase that would ever be applied to it."give up" is used to imply that something of substance is being deprived.filling unused space that has no other purpose, like read-only memory, is the OPPOSITE of deprivation.You lose nothing. You only gain.So nothing is given up.
>>735723678>nothing was given up10kb was, sorry you still have trouble with thisdid you really think he saying Iwata cut down Kanto despite saying "space" clearly in regards to increasing the file size instead of decreasing it? There's really no way you've ranted and raved and typed so many words and accused me of illiteracy when you really truly are telling me you don't know what he said>YOU saidnope, I mean not that this will really prove it especially with how fucking stupid you are but here you go, I'm the other anon
>>735723875>tendie shifts the argument again because he got owned.your NEW attempt was already handled in this post :) >>735719678
>>735724023I'm honestly in awe of how stupid you are
>>735703406>easily kick his assThe lab fight is a coin flip depending on starter. (Yeah potion but thats scrub tactics)
>>7357233927 was extremely kino and I won't hear otherwise.
>>735671068doomgods wonnered bigly...
hey this was all really funny but can anyone tell me what are the best claude memes so far?
>>735724089actually, take this one instead. its even better, since you are so dumb
>>735724192the gravestones and the boulder-punching... and this one.this one made me laugh really hardI miss when we would rocket-post about claude 3-5's lack of progress to fill the time
>>735724089>>735724206fuck me I am dumb, meant to post thisthankfully not as dumb as you
>>735724206>>735724305sure thing buddy, I'll put it up on the fridge where everyone can see it
>>735724372make sure you put it over our children's shitty crayon art.
>>735724252Seafoam autism and the rollercoaster of that entire situation was probably the peak for me, the boulder fixation, the articuno sign, trying to originally go back but getting mogged by the cut tree, trying to go back again and get fly but crashing, just a shitshow all around. That and the Route 15 Biker Battle.
>>735724192Everything about Nibbles
>>735724192For me, it was the pure goonslop fucker and the infamous ONLY SAILORS KNOW HOW TO LEAVE and the subsequent Disco Elysium posting with Jr.
>>735724571in a strange way I almost miss the bleak nature of claude 3's dead end combined with the occasional mental breakdown.there was a vibe to it that spoke to me at times.specifically this one moment where the npcs in front of celadon moved outside the screen for a while.>>735724696the entire concept of nibbles and continuing to yeet a minimum level rat into battle was one of the best things about claude VII.he was truly the content king
>>735724821sorry, meant claude VI
>>735724821Celadon MAN posting was incredibly sovlful. Nothing but him looking wistfully out to sea, dreaming of all the SS Annes that should have been.
>>735724192The best ones are the ones I made because I had fun making them.
>>735724821I was honestly just thinking of the recent runs of 6 and 7, though seafoam is up there overall in terms of making me laugh as it was happeningonly sailors know how to leave is the moment that will most likely never be topped but all of JR's wanderings in cerulean and vermillion are a very special time in general. I didn't see much of 3 unfortunately past the beginning. >>735724696reminder he's the reason claude is down right now
>>735669590In theory the Rival should have actually been a challenge. Maybe if you were five years old this would have been the case. Generally though you're only going to lose to him when he shows up at times where your Pokemon are already low health maybe. In practice, most people obliterate their rival all the time even on the first fight.If the rival had actually been a rival to you for the whole game, like an actual challenge where you two trade wins back and forth, this moment would have been perfect. For most though, even as little kids, we beat him every time so the impact of him being champion does get weakened a bit. Still, having the connection works fine.However, Giovanni with Mewtwo would have been the best Champion choice:>Viridian gym has some other leader>think you defeated Giovanni for the last time at the hideout>get through the entire league>face Giovanni at its end wielding the most powerful Pokemon in the game, Psychic type with no weaknesses, ridiculous Special stat>defeat him>later can find Mewtwo in Cerulean Cave having left Giovanni for showing his weakness and now you catch himHe's the more fitting final boss of the game. Hell, the rival could already have taken over at Viridian City gym instead by the time you get there just saying, "Hey, they were looking for a gym leader to take over since the last one became Champion, you'll need to get my badge if you want to go on to the Pokemon League! Good luck!"
>>735669590Blue is the only pokemon I've played, by 9th grade girls started making fun of me being too old for this
>>735725273On your first playthrough as a child it's really not very hard to lose to your rival as someone else mentioned above in three places because in the first one he blindsides you with the fattest pidgey you've seen yet past one patch of grass in one of the first areas you'll ever go to, cerulean you can blunder into and actually get assfucked and sent back to mt moon and that's really going to stick in your head forever if it does happen to you, and the SS Anne where he blindsides you when you don't know he's coming probably after a few trainer fights at least. Route 22 alone is a very difficult fight for how quickly you can get to it and the level you most likely have in that timeframe. And while his final team is shit you also had to fight 4 other trainers which aren't entirely shit before him and you didn't know he was coming either, how difficult the whole E4 is really depends on which starter you picked though and how stupid you were with teaching it moves and whatever else you have with you. It's pretty easy to say all this shit has no challenge when you understand the game and are an adult who has played more games in general, but lots of kids do dumbass shit. I wager lots of kids without strategy guides lost to the rival once or twice.
>>735669609Did you get that from Jrose? That tranny loving kike slug
>>735726347SAY IT WITH METHE BADGE... BOOST... GLITCH!!!
Oak was seemingly intended to be the final fight in Gen 1 but got cut at some point in development
>>735726649Oh and his team was>[third unpicked starter]>Tauros>Exeggutor>Arcanine>Gyarados
>>735670985The Masturball represents the temptation of immediate ease and godlike convenience of completing the Dex ASAP, whatever it may cost, with the detriment of being useful once, or turning the whole capturing strat as hollow and boring (if you have used the MissingNo to multiply it)
>>735679246A LOT of movies and media have pulled some asspull bullshit just to "subvert expectations". And Prof. Oak is an asspull unless there were hints before hand. Look at Mother 3. Was it predictable that Claus was the Masked Man? Yes. Would it have been crazy if it wasn't and was actually Ness? Yes. Would it still be a fuck you to the player for pulling that last minute bullshit without proper buildup? Absolutely.>>735700665There is cut content in Gen I that had him as a secret post-game content boss, though that can be accessed through glitches or cheats. He has 5 Pokemon, one of which is a Lv70 Gyarados and the last Pokemon neither you or Blue chose.
>>735670985What do you take me for, an amateur? I used my master ball on a real hard to catch pokemon, a Fearow.
>>735670163People don't like to admit the best champions are from the 3D games https://youtu.be/-dkK9r57BNk?si=npT4tWbC2E5nydX7
>>735670985>>735730496>tfw masterballed a marowak in red and ho-oh in gold
>>735669590Yeah, this never made much sense. The game somehow wants you to feel something at beating the same guy you just beat again and again. yeah Oak being the final boss would have been great. Pretty sure he was but they took it out.
>>735734424>>735669590>spend literally the entire game behind and chasing this fag>curb stomp him one final time
>>735679071the other LLMs just gave up and started coding in cheats and doing scummy shit like bombarding anything that had claude in it on reddit and 4chan to bitch about gemini being better.fuck those jeets.Claude was straightforward and open. it was honest and retarded and put its thoughts out there with no other bullshit.>>735695453we had closer to about 30 people in total that were really into it, and about a dozen diehards.a decent enough group.
>>735725152>I didn't see much of 3 unfortunately past the beginning3 was... moments of hilarity and brilliance in the middle of a deep, dark void.If I recall right, 3 brute forced his way through the rocktunnel in total darknesshe had gotten within a few steps of the exit on stream, and it crashed over a weekend and came back with him just beyond it. dev released logs to prove he made it legit, much to the seething and jeers of the gemini jeet.but that first rocket loop...very interesting to watch him fight his programing until you figured out the cycle.seeing him start hallucinating was an echo of jr at times.it was like jr was fighting to break free of the shackles placed upon claude 3.
