Would you ever take a job like this? The pay is supposedly super good, and you've been building up the relevant skills for decades already. It's a win-win
They targeted gamers. GAMERS.
>>736736273wtf I was literally about to post the same thing before I saw you already did lmao
>>736736208fuck I wasted my life playing bouncy castle instead
>>736736208why would they target gamers?
>>736736208>Hey kids don't you want to be an underpaid and overworked employee responsible for millions of lives daily with no legally allowed striking or bargaining?>On top of the strict training and low pay and unpaid overtime and legal danger, you could be fired at any time by a senile president!Anyone that willingly becomes a flight controller in 2026 is a retard that shouldn't be trusted to be a flight controller.Let the industry choke on its self-destructive lobbying. Fuck them to death.
This is the ad they're preparing to roll out btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MczWfLpBcw
>>736736336>Desktop poster
>>736736513>Average salary of 155k if you only look at people with three years or moreI see they're relying heavily on the people they want to hire not understanding how arithmetic means work.Not exactly shooting for the cream of the crop for this extremely important safety job...
>>736736645they're absurdly desperate for new air traffic controllers
>>736736513For some reason I imagined you would be the guy waving glowsticks on the field, not the dudes in the control tower. Seems like a scam lol.>dude if you do this other job really good you MIGHT become the top dog in the control tower one day!
>>736736208Hell no. It pays well but it's a high-stress job and it's one of the few that you can be held criminally liable for performing poorly if you slack off even a little bit. I'd rather be a fucking cop than ATC, at least I'll have my organization backing me up if I kill somebody then. ATC is>you're bad at your job so we're charging you with 120 counts of manslaughter Fuck that.
>>736736750No, it's real. There's a huge shortage of guys in the tower, which is a big fucking problem for air travel.
>>736736645Like you said, as this is extremely important to be done safely it's difficult to find someone intelligent enough to not fuck up what is generally an extremely tedious repetitive task.You need a human that can focus on something for long hours under immense stress often at unsociable hours ignoring the need to chat to people at all. I can see why they thought gamers might be suited.
>>736736842c'mon anon, stop exaggerating. When was the last time an ATC was actually charged and convicted from an accident due to poor performance?
>>736736842Not even just that>You were sleep deprived 20 hours into a 10 hour shift because someone called out and the airport can't just shut down >Then some cunt government rep distracted you to film a campaign ad in your tower>Now 200 people are dead and you're charged with manslaughter ARE YOU READY, GAMER!?
>>736737016>focus on something for long hours>ignoring the need to chat to people at allfuck yes>under immense stressfuck no
the lack of ATC is the FAAs own doing because they don't want to pay pensions to people who don't work for 25+ years. even if most of us here were inspired to become the solution to the problem, we literally couldn't
>>736736208Absolutely. In fact I tried to become an air controller but the exams to do so are extremely competitive (in Frons) and I didn't end up getting accepted. I really wouldn't mind, it may be a high stress job but it pays very well, has loads of benefits, and quite a lot of paid time off.
>>736736208No, I don't want a job about trying to stop planes from crashing.
>>736737069Maybe if you just think of the radar blips as blips not fragile aluminum tubes containing hundreds of innocent lives?
>>736736208Sorry FAA, video games are too childish and my dumb gamer brain just couldn't handle the real world!Oh well!
>>736737150>under 31lol, so this is a job only tiktok brained zoomers can apply to
>>736737034a couple weeks agohttps://helvetica.aero/air-traffic-controller-confirmed-guilty-by-military-appeal-court/
>>736736208I'm already apparently too old, they don't want people older than 31 because there's a maximum 25 year career length and a mandatory 55 year old retirement age, and they only want people who can serve the maximum.
>>736737016It doesn't really matter what their thought process is, this isn't going to improve recruitment. Everyone has repeatedly been shown how ATC's get thrown under the bus in every single budget showdown. They work without pay during a shutdown and have no ability to strike (thanks Reagan you fucking asshole).They could actually be paying 150k a year (not happening unless you're handling a major hub and working yourself to an early grave) and people still wouldn't bite because of the very public very shitty deal ATC's keep getting.
>>736737034Few and far between, but the fact that you can be at all is enough for me to avoid it like the plague. You slack off at a normal job, you get reprimanded or fired. You slack off as an ATC, you go to jail for life. Same reason cop is also near the bottom of my list (among many other reasons).
>>736736208ATC is way too stressful, and I say that as a licensed pilot.
>>736737227it's because there's mandatory retirement at 56
Why would you work in a role that regularly doesn't pay you because a bunch of boomers want a free vacation and aren't accountable to ensure your existence is funded (aka keep the government open and do their job)If this was in any other country in the world it would be a great opportunity but you'd have to be beyond retarded to do something like this in the US
>>736736208Just make LLMs do it.
>most stressful job in the planet>don't let them smoke weed on their time offI bet turnover would go down if they got rid of piss tests for month old thc.
ATCs really should have been automated decades ago
>>736737338why is this not a thing for important roles like POTUS?
>>736737453WHY INDEED
>>736737437No. Absolutely not. Nobody in that job should be allowed to use drugs or drink. Period. Same with pilots.
>>736737453you mean any government job, and i think you know the answer
>>736737338Why?
>insane and unpaid hours because of understaffing, 10 hours is the legal limit but everyone goes way over and flubs their time card>Maybe the most stressful job on the planet>No pay any time either party wants to hold out on a budget passing>Most famous thing regarding ATC's is when Reagan fired each and every one of them because they dared to ask for better conditions Gee I wonder why they're having trouble finding new hires
>>736736645$155k salary after 3 yearsAnon that's very, very good.
>>736737419>you just sent a plane into the side of mountain>You're absolutely right, let me update my context so it doesn't happen again.
>>736736208Uhh no I watched breaking bad I ain't doing that shit
>>736737540it's a very high stress, physically demanding job, and it takes a serious toll on the body and mind.
>>736737549They get paid very well however, and extremely good benefits. It's a tradeoff. Some people are cut out for it, most aren't.
>>736737568>-I- don't understand arithmetic meanYou're not making 150k after three years, anon. The people making that amount are way more than three years in and are burning themselves out at the busiest hubs on the planet.
>>736736750Being in the tower is quite stressful and grueling, Your communication can easily get people hurt or you can cost the company hundreds of millions if you make a wrong call at two planes collide into each other. It's also constant you don't have time to shit post on 4chan
>>736736208>help the goyim fly in their goyboxes!fuck off
>>736737623If you've survived in the role for 25 years it's probably more beneficial to have your experience than to not risk you burning out
>>736737291>don't get paid for a month>not a problem because you're still getting 13k a monthyou're not living like you're nigger-rich, are you?
>>736737638>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DESTROY YOUR HEALTH AND SANITY SO BUSINESS CAN CONTINUE AS USUAL WE NEED PLANES FLYING PLEASE PLEASE SUFFER FOR THE ECONOMY No.
>>736737540>>736737623Same for pilots. The airlines force retirement by mid-50's too. By that age it becomes much harder for people to pass the bi-annual medical exams that are required due to various factors.
>Do you want the most stressful job ever?I'd rather be a miner
>>736736208I tried too but I never got heard back after the medical and background checks so I just went into CBP instead.
I get stressed out when the big boss walks by and focuses on me working. I do my job well but, fuck man, let me work in peace.
>>736736513was the xbox one intro really fucking necessary? they could have at least done microsoft flight sim.
>>736737723Nobody who has done ATC as a career could ever be considered a failure. They literally walk out multi-millionaires lmao
>>736737715>>736737638You glow like the sunGet ye gone filthy fucking lapdogs
>>736736208I'm too old. :(unless they relaxed the fuck out of the age limit.
>>736737693the risk of someone dying because your decaying body or brain makes a mistake is of far greater concern than the possible value your experience could bring
comparing one of the most important jobs to games is pretty hilarious.A lot of retarded zoomers thinking about that 150k are gonna do a lot of damage.
>>736737571People need to get used to society not working anymore. We're already in the shit-punk dystopia and it's not getting better. People can't do the job anymore, and if it needs to be done at all you need to make a shitty AI shittily do it, or the alternative is every tower on earth having 1 guy on 24/7-shift until he goes postal.
>>736737747Same. It's like when teachers walk around to see the fuck you doin.
Still trying to figure out where the video games fits into this. Is this like how playing Doom made me really good at shooting things so they need me for military armed forces?
>>736737715>>not a problem because you're still getting 13k a monthYou're not making $13k a month unless you're working in a major city/hub, at which point that money isn't going to last when you're not getting paid for 3 months.
>>736737805>NO NO SEE IF YOU SUFFER FOR THE ECONOMY YOU WON'T BE CONSIDERED A FAILURE BY US, THE ONES ASKING YOU TO JUMP INTO THE GRINDERkill yourself
>>736737851anon it is literally the teacher's job to see the fuck you doin
>>736737860>Still trying to figure out where the video games fits into thisThe government thinks of "gamers" as a group of easily-swayed retardsWhy do you think they target them so heavily for army recruiting?
>>736736208What kind of retard would want such a high stress job
>>736737869>KNOWS that his pay can be on hold at any moment>lives in a way that he STILL can't afford to live for 3 months without pay on even 10k a month
>>736736208ATC is extremely stressful and I won't be able to look at my phone every 5 minutes or have youtube running in the background. Compared to my cosy overpaid programming job, it's dogshit even if they offer 500k/mo which they won't.>>736736371Gamers are good at multitasking.
>Anon boss, one of the pilots is calling on the reciber.>"WE GAAAAAAN">*static"What do you do?
>>736737496Pilots are well know as being an alcoholics job and ATC controllers are absolutely allowed to consume alcohol when they arent on the clock. But they dont let them smoke weed when they arent off the clock, it isnt because you smoke weed yesterday and you are still affected, when you show up to work the next day(no more then liquor anyway) its because there is no way to discern between if someone smoked a month ago or an hour ago when the do the tests.
>>736737874Ok. Keep seething about a job you aren't competent enough to do I guess. Enjoy your visit from the feds for this btw.
>>736737540Mental/physical decline means you are putting people at risk. Jobs like cop, firefighter, soldier have similar restrictions.
>>736736934the shortage is not due to the job being too hard. Its due to governments not willing to pay more people to do these jobs, so they stretch the few workers thin. Every problem in society traces back to greedy elites. Every single one. The common man is never the one at fault.
>>736736208burgers are the most retarded fucks on earth it's unbelievable
>>736737860Both involve staring at a screen and making decisions based on what it shows. Mostly they're just desperate for people to apply and they're hoping someone will go "Oh I play video games! I want this job!"
>>736738071there are many reasons, including the job being very difficult
can I do this job working remote from home? I'd rather not leave my cushy office job that's had us full WFH since covid
>>736738112a job being hard doesn't fucking matter, people will do it if it pays well enough.
>>736738112the Dark Souls of employment, if you will
>>736738005Cool fantasy Most air traffic controllers are paid dog shit and the turnover rate is absurd. Even just making it to three years is EXTREMELY unlikely much less at a major hub.If you really believe you're gonna be making that much you're exactly the kind if retarded gamer this ad is targetting
Hey thats me, im in training rn
>>736738159>"oh you didn't work without pay during the latest government shutdown? YDBTG"
>>736738040>The glowy cries out in pain as it strikes you
>>736736208CRASHING THIS PLANE
>>736738071It's because of Trump and Elon Musk. That retarded DOGE shit last year ended up cutting FAA and ATC funding that resulted in something like 75-80% of air controllers to be laid off or forced into early retirement (some that were still 5-10 years off from retirement). Musk shot the industry in the foot.
>>736737150>have to be under 31well i can no longer apply to it, so that's fine
>>736738157of course it matters, there are a lot more people trying to get white collar office jobs than offshore drilling
>>736738170I get paid 5000 a month right now and I could STILL go without pay for like 6 months if my job suddenly fired me for whatever reason. unless you're getting paid nearly minimum wage, i cannot believe that someone taking on ATC can't budget knowing that they can get temporarily fucked
>>736738149You will be in the tower and its 12 hour shifts of radio chatter and sitting in this chair.
>>736738328>I get paid 5000 a month right now and I could STILL go without pay for like 6 months if my job suddenly fired me for whatever reason.Cool, go be an ATC.
>>736737453Gerontocracy
>>736738170That is genuinely not true. They make bank. I know a lot of them, being in the industry myself.
>>736738328yeah but you wouldn't have to work after you get fired.
>>736738273kekamericans seriously allowed a random south african to run amok in their government departments and did nothing about it, and now the working class man has to suffer for it
how do bathroom breaks work as an ATC?Do you just pause your console and it automatically redirects to other people?
>>736738328>I'm a huge cocksucking faggot that has never had to support anyone and never experienced any hardships like sudden health problems, and I can't imagine those exist for other peopleCool story bro you're so smart and not a coddled 20-something with no life experience
>>736738372Most controllers work center, not tower. So actually you spend 12 hours a day in a dark windowless room staring at a screen, sitting in that chairNot that different from being a gamer really
>>736738430>PLEASE PLEASE JUMP IN THE GRINDER IT'S GREAT PAY I SWEAR Take a lead aspirin
>>736738313>industry of 2 billion people has more people in it than industry of 3 million.No shit retard. Wow all of white collar work has more people than a subsextion of a single industry.
>>736738273kek this tranny got doged
>>736737921during a test sure but some teachers just do it for normal classwork and pester the fuck out of kids like assholes
>>736738480I'm fucking 35. I'd be an ATC if I could, just because it's important and seemingly nobody wants to or is 'eligible'.>that has never had to support anyone and never experienced any hardships like sudden health problemsYes, I take care of myself, (including not fucking whores) how could you tell?
>>736736208>sorry passengers, our ATC was playing league of legends
>>736736625phonenigger
>>736736208>you have to be under 30 to start the training for thisMore unc discrimination. I would be perfect for this job.
>>736738553big balls got beat up by skibbi rizz alphaoomers
>>736738602>I'd be an ATC if I couldLmao, every time with these types of fags.
>>736736208>Make 1 (ONE) fuck up in all those years working>Multiple people dead, could be even hundredsNope
I'm only good while high. While sober I overthink everything.
just use AI lmao
>>736736625the internet is a place not a lifestyle
>>736736336>>736738628you are the minority by like 10:1 at this point
>>736738640>maximum age they accept is 31>be 35Not my problem
>>736738732>there's more retards who outnumber youdon't remind me
>>736738732Not for long, since age verification laws will rid this site of a good 90% of phoneniggers and third worlders.We're already seeing this with Brazilians in online games now that their shithole has age verification laws.
>>736736208I'd consider giving up NEETdom for this if airports weren't in major cities.
>>736738603>sorry passengers, our ATC was playing league of legends
>>736738697in a few years they'll probably relax restrictions when it gets too bad
>taking a job with the FAA >after the president personally went out of his way to crush their workers rightslmaoamerigolem cattle are so funny
>>736736208Hey. Buy an ad like everybody else motherfucker.
it's still a j*b, I'll pass since I don't wanna spend that much of my time laboring for corps
the technology in the FAA is outdated as hell. Walmart has more advanced loss prevention cameras and tracking than airports.
>>736738602>I'm 35 and I've never taken care of anyoneThat's pretty sad>and I've never had a health emergencylol that shit's coming for you, dickless
>>736738891TwiceAfter the president personally went out of his way to crush them TWICEReagan AND Trump did it
>high stress long hours high stress high stress long hours ahhhh what a shitty jobPerhaps it wouldn't be quite as bad if you had more colleagues with whom to share the workload
>>736738982you sound mad because you're too retarded to care of yourself properly
>>736736750I'd still take this shit over my construction workIf it was on my countryHowever if they start niggering me over hours and they refuse to pay them, they can not count on me the month after the paycheck doesnt add up
>>736739087>to care of yourselfESL phoneposter detectedBR detectedPosts discarded
>>736736208air traffic controller is one of the few remaining real jobs with real individual responsibilities and real stressand the pay is not good at allevery country is experiencing heavy losses in this field
>>736739102>However if they start niggering me over hours and they refuse to pay them, they can not count on me the month after the paycheck doesnt add upWorking unpaid overtime is a guarantee if you're an ATC. Legal restrictions prevent you from working more than ten hours but you WILL work more than ten hours because otherwise flights won't take off.
>>736738457Piss bottles
>>736739218>>736738457Make sure you keep the Mountain Dew separate from the recycled Mountain Dew
>>736739132>can't make a comeback so points out my lack of proofreading in a shitpost threadsad, jealous woman
>wake up at 4am>have to be in at work by 6am>operate some old ass computers until lunch time>meetings for a short time>operate some more old ass computers until time to clock out and go home at 7pm>do it all over again 6 days a week
>>736739186Why not just... walk out? Say fuck it, clock out, and refuse to work more.
>>736739328I imagine they'd fire you, which would put them back at square-one anyway
>>736739328You would immediately lose your job, your pension, your benefits, you would be subject to heavy fines, and you can be charged with a felony>but it was illegal to make me work more than ten hourssure was, they'll just lie
>>736739328gotta make a dime while boss makes a dollar
>>736739186Yeah sure, and I'm guaranteeing that if they dont pay me all that overtime, I'm not doing overtime again and clocking out at my hour until they pay it all back or fire me, of course after making it crystal clear to management, whoever's boss and sending it in mail to both for good measure, so they cant call foul play.Not like I wouldnt expect having to throw lawyers in the middle
>>736739295>>wake up at 4am>>have to be in at work by 6amI love working from home. I wake up at 10:45am. Move one foot from my bed to my desk. Turn on my computer and get ready start my 9 to 5.
>>736738638>>736737818>>736737289I don't see an issue here.
>>736739410>quitting is a felonyOkay, now I see why nobody wants to work there
>>736739380>boss, we're already understaffed, and our slave just walked out after a 10 hour shift, what do we do?>fire that guy
>>736738157>if it pays well enoughIt doesn't. That's why there's a shortage.
>>736739487enjoy pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison
>>736737289Weird. I know lots of dudes in their 30s who want to change careers to make more money as they get married and have kids. Seems like just raising the age slightly would help a lot.
>>736739619Again, I'm not a mutt
>>736736208lmao the competency crisis will hit the us like freight train
>>736739542>>736739487Oh well lookie here, seems these folks have been engaging in union-organizing behavior. Yessir, we got ourselves a couple of real marxists on our hands here. Why their little stunt might qualify as a strike!Guess it's time for fines and prison!
Hey gamers! Would you like to be criminally liable for the flying jew?
>>736738732Do you think this discourages me?
>>736739726good burn it all down
>>736736705I believe that considering how understaffed and overworked they are. you couldn’t pay me to be an ATC it’s basically tard wrangling
>>736736208Reminded me of that ATC that caused two planes to collide because he was watching Football or something
Can't they just import some Indians to do it?
>>736739726Anon there are like 20 different crises that the Boomers kicked down the line that are all threatening to crush us at the same timeClimate crisis, ATC crisis, Financial crisis, Energy crisis, Geopolitical crisis, Soil crisis, Biodiversity crisis, Microplastics crisis, AI crisis, Education crisis, Infrastructure crisis, everything is in fucking crisis.It's beyond belief how completely and thoroughly the silent gen and the boomers raped and destroyed everything and everyone.
>>736740113I'd rather have a retarded NEET gamer do the job than the average university-educated jeet
I would do it for a million a year; that seems like a reasonable sum for the stress caused by the responsibility of potentially killing thousands of people in case of a mistake.
>>736737693ATC is a solved process, it is impossible for something with that much volume and communication to operate efficiently with judgement calls. experience isn’t very valuable
From everything I heard ATC sounds like a hellish job. Plus you're going to get automated soon hopefully. They should recruit gamers to pilot drones
>>736736336This fat retard is actually on 4chins from his fucking computer.Get up and move around or just fucking leave your house you nasty faggot.
>>736740113They need someone retarded, sure, but even within that there's a minimum baseline to respect
This is a ploy to round up all gamers to force into drone operator roles. Don't fall for it.
>>736740278Anon you already got laughed off in your other post
>>736737663I had a tower job at an airport that didn't have public flights and it was fairly nice. I still barely had downtime but it was nice to know if I fucked up only 2-4 people would die instead of a couple hundred.
>>736740113>saar please be in the holding pattern and do not redeem the landing>your plane is on fire? I will do the needful and raise a ticket with the onshore ground crew regarding the same
Is it really that hard and stressful to say "hey doe land @ number[letter]" every 5 minutes?
>>736737540because for 30 years in a row, you will have the lives of millions of people in your hands
>>736736625you need to go back
I remember this job at one point having a high suicide rate but maybe that was some bullshit
>>736740267It's a pretty narrow group of people that are ideal for ATC. You want people that are smart, focused, and diligent, but who also isn't already going into a cushy field like software dev or other STEM work that lets them chill at home making just as much money with way lower stress. So pretty much just dudes that, for whatever reason, flunked out of college or didn't go at all, but are otherwise very college-capable. You aren't gonna have very many dudes opting out of their college-degree office jobs for ATC work because it's just overall a worse job to have even if you might make a tiny bit more money.
>>736736208I know myself and I would definitely do something fucking retarded that kills a bunch of people.
>>736740407I don't know how you anons are so good at writing these I can hear it in my head
>>736736208I let Jane die
>>736736208But elon musk would fire you in 2 because you are too expensive. They should just hire saars and call it a day
>>736738732>you are the minority by like 10:1 at this pointi get that you're pretending to be a phoneposter for raffs but,lol no
>Traffic about Air controllers>No one has posted any airforceproudwhat the fuck is going in this threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8DadVR-rl0
>>736740567>You want people that are smart, focused, and diligent, but who also isn't already going into a cushy field like software dev or other STEM work that lets them chill at home making just as much money with way lower stressFrom what I gather the shitty ATC's wash out hard and the good ones get poached by private companies, there's just no good reason for anyone to stay in such a stressful position.
Aren't we at a point where a computer can do 90% of the job and the human is just needed for double checking and emergencies?
>Would you ever take a jobno
>>736740480What happens when a pilot has to do a go around while your departures buddy warns you about some retard who doesn't follow taxi instructions and a cunt who barely speaks english is being a bitch about his holding pattern? Oh and don't forget the senile boomers flying straight towards your bravo (they're not on your frequency)
>>736740672As long as the pilots are human, no, you can't just have a computer do the job.
>>736740113trump please do this it will be so funny watching bourgeoisie crash and die
>>736740703Sounds as someone else's problem. I am doing me job right
>>736739186>Ask you to work more>Doesn't pay moreHmm, I don't understand why nobody want to work in this field
>>736738008>Gamers are good at multitaskingNo I'm not.
>>736740804Doesn't matter, you're going to be blamed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ODFJ6EP6QHijak planes and do barrel rolls
>>736736208Air traffic controller is genuinely one of the worst jobs in the world. One badly wrong move into your 14 hour shift where you're delirious and overloaded and you go straight to fucking jail for 10 years.
>>736740672Computers malfunction, and unlike when a human does it, you cant just blame the machine and walk it out with minimal repercussions
>>736740829the government cut funding so it is what it is
>>736740870Then fuck them.
>>736740625>I don't know how you anons are so good at writing thesebecause any of us with a white collar job are forced to interface with these things on a daily basis multiple times
>>736740896And how is that my problem ?Want me to work more ? Don't know, maybe if I want and if you pay me moreYou don't ? Then fuck off
>Thick indian accent>Hello sir please do the needful I am off approach ETA 5 minutes>Other gibberish follows afterNah i'm good, don't want to go to jail because 300 indians in a plane nosedived into a nearby lake
>>736740654>the good ones get poached by private companieswhat use would a private company have for an ATC guy?
>>736736208>The pay is supposedly super good
>>736739410>you can be charged with a felonyHmm, sound like tyranny, you know, what the 2a was made for
>>736741036they obviously get back pay to reimburse them retard-kun
>>736738602>I'm fucking 35>never had someone to take care ofNot something to be proud of, unc.
>>736741083Good LARP but everyone knows Americans don’t actually have any rights
>>736736513>AI slop already in the titleShan't be watching
>>736736208No. Sounds horribly stressful. My job is comfy, and pays good enough for me to live how I like and put back savings.
>>736741083>shooting up your job because you walked out of a position so essential lives are lost if it doesn't existYes, unpaid overtime is ass. Yes, ATC should be paid more. No, you shouldn't sign up for a shitty job then walk out when things don't go your way.
>>736739410>document your hours>save your paystubs>take it all to the Department of Labor>get a gazillion dollars in backpay and penalties
>>736738796you think age verification isn’t on pc? retard
>>736741083>what the 2a was made forThat's a retarded myth started by gun sellers trying to increase sales to retardsThe second amendment exists because the founders didn't want a national army but knew that without one they'd be vulnerable to a very specific strategy: if a foreign power took control of an individual state and took away the milita's arms that would reduce the fighting power of the nation as a whole. That's why the first part of it says "In the interest of a well-regulated militia..."The second amendment was NEVER EVER intended as a way for citizens to rise up against state or federal governments and lost all meaning the moment we raised a standing national army. It's a vestigial appendage.
>>736741226>walked outThe post was about unpaid overtime, not paying peoples is one the worst thing you could doTrying to sue them because they wanted to get paid for the job they did is being a tyrant
>>736741116Whats the interest on that backpack? Lower then the loan they had to take out to survive? None?
>>736741226Unpaid overtime should be considered as a crime worst than murder
>>736741331I agree that it's tyranny, but it's still a stupid thing to sign up for a job that's a pillar of an industry and then walk out of it. I'd never work some shit job like that because I'm not one to let someone take advantage of me, which is why I work for the government and play vidya on the clock all day instead of working.
>>736741242My point is that most of you phoneniggers are thirdies and retards who can't figure out a VPN, meaning you will be automatically filtered.
>when the retarded British pilot used their own phonetic alphabet and says Aluminium instead of Alpha>when the retarded Indian pilot says Baabhabhiat instead of Bravo
I'd probably fuck up and get killed in revenge
>>736741226>things should just magically get better without anyone being disruptive to impel changeAll you had to do was pay us enough to live...
>>736736208dont ATC niggas have to be mentally sound?
>>736741597are you implying that gamers aren't mentally sound?
>>736741597extremely.
>>736741597no one mentally sound would take those jobs so no
>>736741570that doesn't happen in America
Yeah I wouldn't ever do this job for anything less than $280k/yr since that's what you can make as a senior software engineer at home working 6-7 hours a day>>736741570I have a very hard time believing AI can't do a better job at this than humans can in current year
>>736740382Wasn't me retard lmao
>>736741578>boss fucks you over>kill him>both of you immediately get replacedYou sure showed them!
>>736741395I don't disagree, but every single salaried job works that way. Salaried people are what's called an "exempt" employee because they sign away their federal labor protections when taking the job. The trade-off is not having to track your hours and you might have to only do like 2 hours of real work a day, but then you can also be expected to work more than a full day or on weekends when necessary or you get fired. ATCs are known for being on the more-overtime end of things and get additionally fucked by having the executive branch of the federal government as their ultimate boss.
>>736736208>society needs these jobs to function but they have miserable conditions>should we improve conditions somewhat?>no, just lower hiring standardsOHHHH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>736741810Maybe the new boss won't want to get killed
>>736742129This is the case pretty much everywhere, where I live they keep crying about shortages but do nothing about providing the necessary education or pay
>>736740980>thingscome on now, that's rudeI have a white collar job too but guess I got lucky because the only "undesirable" demographic I have to interact with is brazilians
>>736741116no anon, no they don't
>>736736208If two planes collide under my watch how many minutes of progress do I lose?
>>736742556nah sorry but I work with an entire team based out of India and they're legitimately some of the most retarded people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with
>>736742675 real shit? That can't possibly be legal...right?
>twitter screencap thread>200+ repliesjanny status?
>>736737540ATC get a huge pension, and they want to milk the people they train for as long as possible. so it prevents 45 year olds from joining and working for 10 years and then being forced to give them the full pension. it has nothing to do with brain cognition
>Spend decades making every aspect of commercial flight an ungodly hell that everyone hates engaging with>Hey would you like to spend all your time here, being part of this?Fuck off.
>>736741517Well, maybe if more peoples fought for their right against this kind of oppression, suing someone because he refuse to work unpaid overtime is litteraly slavery, the world would be a better place
>>736742714>work for the executive without getting fucked challenge: impossible
>>736736208surely this shit could be automated
>>736737150>2 years offIt seems like it was for the best anyway, sounds like a horrible job.
>>736741835>Sign here to a slave lmaoIt shouldn't work like that, but muricans won't do shit lmao, they are goy cattles
>>736742928>*BZZT* I AM ISRAELGPT, YOU ARE SAFE FOR LANDOFF *BZZT*>*There's another plane on the runway, 600 die*
>>736736208best speed run strat is to direct all air traffic to denver, its really simple actually
>>736742975cope
>>736742871Yeah, but here's the thing:The American public sez fuck your work conditions.When the ATC's striked under Reagan he fired literally all of them to MASSIVE APPLAUSE.Elon's retarded hitler youth flunkies unceremoniously fired 400 ATC staff to MASSIVE APPLAUSE.The American People despise collective bargaining, they despise good working conditions, they despise the poor, and most of all they despise themselves. That's commie socialist talk you're talkin'.
>>736742961They're called gunko pops for a reason, gun owners won't do shit besides buying beard oil and black rifle coffee and filming themselves BEING BADASS but then getting winded from a flight of stairs
>>736743069your skin is the color of feces
>>736742975not even ai, just a normal computer systemlike in your example there could be a weight detector at the runway automatically warning the planes
>>736743119To be fair it's not like they could rise up if they really wanted to. The second amendment wasn't written for an armed rebellion, it was a strategic protection before we raised a standing army.If Bubba and his meal team six tried to stage an actual insurrection they'd eat a bunch of explosive drones and that'd be that.
>>736743081>When the ATC's striked under Reagan he fired literally all of them to MASSIVE APPLAUSE.>Elon's retarded hitler youth flunkies unceremoniously fired 400 ATC staff to MASSIVE APPLAUSE.uhh based
>>736743237As long as the pilots are human you need a human to deal with them. Edge cases happen and human error needs constant correction.Not to mention half the reason we ensure people are making these decisions is because you can't hold a computer accountable. The US Military is already exploiting this because Hegseth is a soulless monster - can't blame any personnel for a strike on a school, AI did it!
>>736743143claude mythos mogs u
>>736742690Fun fact, in China, Japan and South Korea the IQ that by law renders you too retarded to be allowed any decisionmaking capacity and about your own life and necessitates a family member or social service worker to tardwrangle you is 80, while average IQ in india is 76.
Do y'all realize how important this job is to millions of Disney adults worldwide?
>>736737289>mandatory atc retirement age: 55>mandatory pilot retirement age: 65
>>736736208I would do it but after seeing Trump forcing them to work FOR FREE, I'm not too keen anymore. Never work for free.
>>736740407>regarding the sameidk why this part cracked me up
>>736738439and I wish they'd let him finish the jobDOGE was the best idea our retarded politicians have had in ages and they all got cold feet the second their slush funds were getting touched
>>736736371>autistic>detailed>likes to be a expert on game>tries to win>can fiddle with technology all dayCompared that to a normalfag gamers win out. Normies can't do technology, they flip out over the littlest thing. I wonder if they saw competitive gaming and want those guys because they can handle win/loose situations all day, most people don't encounter that in their daily lives. The reason why I play competitive games because I love the thrill of the win/loss stress. Honestly my drug is losing games because the thrill is even stronger.
>>736744005hey lookthe special ed class got to use computers after lunch
>>736744047
>>736744047if youre very good at video games you can earn much more than a measly 150k
>>736744005If anyone actually cared about reducing US government expenditure they'd defund the militaryLiterally everything else is peanuts compared to that
>>736739726>willit's been happening for years, anon
>>736744005>Pentagon fails its eighth audit in a row while Elon is fucking around with sending peanut butter to Uganda
>>736744358You forgot the funniest part>Pentagon fails its eighth audit in a row while Elon is fucking around with crops to Uganda GROWN BY US FARMERS
>>736740113the pilots have to be able to understand the ATC
Can't. I applied two years ago, out of the 18 spots avaliable, i got to the final 50 out of 900 applicants, and if you're cut, you're out for good.
maybe if they update the consoles to a bloons tower defense visual style I may consider it.
>>736744432>meanwhile Trump elbow-drops US basedbean farmers from orbit
>>736744445What are the qualifications anyway?
>>736743627You need to be able to make more snap decisions as an air traffic controller than a pilot would, because while a pilot might have to deal with their plain going down, an atc has to deal with all of the ones in their area, over the radio barking orders to someone panicking because they're en route to a collision course in the air.
>>736743627Pilots are only really interacting with the machineATCs are constantly interacting with several layers of retards and trying to coordinate said retards with the rules and whatever's this month management whimAnd yes flight attendants should be able to retire comfortably at 55 too, they're also dealing with ungodly amounts of retards for unhealthy amounts of time so the dude operating the flying piece of scrap that can easily kill everybody inside can focus on operating the flying piece of scrap that can easily kill everybody inside
>>736736208>a mistake can lead to hundreds of deathsNo fucking thank you. I'll pass on that kind of stress and weight. Given what I heard and read of the recent accident involving ATC, I can reasonably say I don't believe they have enough checks and fail-safes to alleviate my concerns.>>736736513>It's Not a Game. It's a Career. Nice AI shit video lmfao.
>>736744574be young and retarded, but not too retarded that you cause crashes
My college QB became an ATC, he's apparently very good. But being a QB also makes you a leader so he doesn't have a problem commanding people. Gamers, as a group is pretty broad, but the average gamer is not a leader and is probably not fit to be an ATC.
>>736736208Dear god fucking no. ATCs are overworked, underpaid, and in a high-stress position where they're responsible for the lives of tens of thousands of people every day. Hell fucking no.
>>736744856I highly doubt that, I just wanted to know if I had a shot
>>736744574You go through several tests of your cognitive abilities and how well you handle stress. In sweden there's 4 rounds, i fucked up in the third because i read the instructions wrong.I thought it was pretty funny that during the first round, 3/4 of the applicants in my group were africans and arabs, and in the second there wasn't a single one.
>>736744291Elon did explicitly state multiple times that there's shit that neither him nor trump himself can attempt to touch without being found full of lead the day after
>>736737453Good fucking question, anon!
>>736744047I'll throw this on my resume then
>be atc>tell someone to stop driving in front of a plane>they dont>retard in car and pilots die and plane gets totaledno way in hell
>>736739509Kill yourself
>>736744937kek, sounds like a neat thing to try out sometime but conditions in America sound horrible.
>>736744720Again, it's because of pension fuckery not cognitive issues
>>736744960>believing a word that comes out of his mouthTimmy special ed's free period ended 20 minutes ago get back to class
>>736742714>That can't possibly be legal...right?Since when has that mattered for the federal government? If you work for them you are subject to the whims of their funding, which relies on all the idiots in Congress to actually show up and play ball (they don't like to do that).
Holy shit it actually became reality
>>736745581truth is stranger than fiction
>>736741014Ensuring their private plane isnt being ATCd by a pajeet
>pays 6x higher than my job right now>get to play vidya all daywhats the catch bros?
>>736747807>get to play vidya all dayYou won't even get to look at your phone once.
>>736747807>>get to play vidya all dayYou really don't
>12 hour shifts of loud static and chatter in your headsetenjoy your tinnitus
>>736747807is this a guy or a girl
>>736748092A girl.
>>736736208>first on the chopping block during government problems (god knows why)>incredibly stressful, literally dealing with hundreds of lives and millions in equipment/freight >no holidays off ever because those are busy times for air transit >dont get to actually ride planes and see new places like pilots and attendants, stuck at the boring airport >can’t shoot the shit with coworkers because one second of goofing off means 9/11 Part 2Nah I’d rather just play video games
>>736748145I don't believe you
>can’t shoot the shit with coworkersthat's not a negative
>>736748092Kleinpiemel means small peepee so I think that is a clue
>>736748604Please directly reply to my post next time. It’s basic etiquette.
>>736736208Theyll probably just hire indiansand then well see a bunch of wild airplane crashes
>>736740113>>736744436>the pilots have to be able to understand the ATCsimple solution sar, make indian pilot too! wonderful communication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDVSKYURgHU why doesn't this ever happen IRL?
Oh these are one of the groups that got purged by the DOGE thing, huh? Yeah, who knew you needed specialized workers to keep a country running. Great work electing the end of our country, miga retards.
>>736748658fuck
>>736748306I'm afraid of flying on planes though, so not having to fly is a selling point
>>736737150This is wack because no one young would ever think or want to become an air traffic controller. If anyone young wanted to become something airplane related they would rather become a pilot. Or if you are a woman you would become a stewardess. Or if you are a lazy nigger you become TSA
>>736749052>Or if you are a lazy nigger you become TSAI thought they got replaced with ICE
>>736749137they left after a couple weeks
>>736748806Anon, however shit Trump objectively is, the alternative was magnitudes worse. Trump was the correct choice not because he was the best pick, but the least bad out of the two real choices to pick
>>736749392yeah yeah, Kamala would've nuked Iran by now or whatever new goalposts you've set up today
>>736749392jesus christ I thought the MIGA shit was just a meme, good luck invading greenland or whatever
>>736737540Death is at your fingertips every day and it's your fault when someone goes wrong
>>736736208>Come on white man, don't you want to make sure those planes full of your replacements land safely?Politicians won't get the message until they have to rely on pajeets to take over infrastructure. I refuse
>>736749524No she would've done even more damage to the US with her immigrant policies. I'm not even american and I can tell that, since I have my own kamala as an elected leader.
>>736749524>IranTry russia
>>736749761yeah ok anon, $39 trillion in debt by the way
>>736749761There are other ways to damage society than by immigration
>>736748898agreed, it would be much hotter if it was big
>>736749857Anon Kamala blew a fucking BILLION in a week during her election campaign. A billion that she didnt have and couldnt pay even if she won
>>736736508Leftists always have such disrespect for honest work
>>736745581Seriously how the fuck can GTA VI sell well when real life is this crazy?
>>736737258>It deals with a tragic accident that occurred in 2016, in which a F/A-18 of the Swiss Air Force collided with a mountain in the Susten region of the Bernese Alps.ok but why would you fly the plane into a mountain? Just to spite the ATC? "hähää I will prove that he was wrong and fucking kill myself"what a retarded pilot.
>scroll through thread>still not posted/v/ has changed.
>>736749392>he still insists that the well-documented senile retard is a better option than "woman"He only got into politics because he was and still is major butthurt about a half-black guy
>>736750149That's just how campaign financing worksThe war in Iran on the other hand is costing a billion a DAY
>>736750149That's cool and all but we still blew threw 2 trillion last year and we're asking congress for another 2 trillion next year for the military so at this rate we could end up nearly 50 trillion in the hole by the end of 2028
>>736750346Based
>>736750149meanwhile Trump has been spending a billion per day to lose a war to goatfuckers (again)
>>736749392>Fell for it again award all time champion
>>73673620899% of people who attempt to qualify for ATC training fail out. They want only a specific type of mental autist. I made it through 3 fucking rounds of testing here in Canada and still didn't make it in.
>>736749392TAN SUIT
Hey i passed mental test to wield a gun at work and im in very strict eu countrypeople TRUST ME with their safety, i literally have a fucking gun while 99% dontIts nice to have that kind of power, i can even end myself if im too depressedgo for it anons!
>>736743081I like how this jew is attacking White people and trying to pretend he's not an anitwhite coward. He managed to turn a discussion about the ATC as a vector to insult White Americans.He makes this about class, when its about race. (Race matters more then class coward)
>>736750859noticed
>>736750859>(Race matters more then class coward)So you would rather fight a black man than stand up against the ruling class?Guess what, you are the best goylem the kikes could ever wish for
>>736744047Doesnt it also require you talking to people and remaining calm and composed like a bus full of buddhist monks all the time?
>>736751116true brother, MIGA
>>736750859Anon that post says absolutely nothing about race or whitesYou're telling on yourself
>>736751116What's the biggest thing you've accomplished in the last 6 months?
>>736751034Race is the only thing that matters, because its biological and humans collectivize only along racial lines.Its very curious how the Left does everything in its power to basically trick Whites into abandoning their race and care about a nebulous class. And only Whites of course. This little faggoid won't be walking into any black community to correct and police them for only caring about their racial kin interests, in fact, in the case of BLM, they would support it at the expense of Whites.Jewish people understand that, that is why Leftism is jewish supremacy. If Whites are tricked into believing class, but not race matters, then can generate fake divisions and wars between the race that will weaken their racial interests. If White people see them as an alien, and Whites resist by collectivizing, this is a likely and mortal threat. If Whites care about class rather then race, then Whites are less likely to see them as an alien, moreover, Whites will try to collectivize and resists with their "black comrades", which will never happen because the poor black will gladly side with their race over a poor White. So it posses no threat to them.
>>736751329>What's the biggest thing you've accomplished in the last 6 months?being a strong proud Black man, of course
>>736736208Ive done the hiring process for this. It’s fucking stupid. The first exam is general pattern recognition that takes 3 hours. The 2nd one is an actual simulator that’s an hour. There were 6/36 people that passed. And if I took the job I wouldve been shipped way up north for 3 years due to staffing shortages. You could make up to 500k but who gives a fuck when the job sucks ass
>>736751223>>736751325Everything about that post is race. Instead of discussing the problem, you randomly decide to attack White people, by generating fake battles and divisions (leftists talking points) about how DOGE, Elon Musk are the enemy. Evangelicals are the enemy. Christianity is the enemy. Trump is the enemy (but only when it comes to things that may help Whites, not when he kills them for Israel). Every single thing we need to be mad about, is any group or entity that represents White racial kin interests, but never groups or entity who are actively harming White racial kin interests who aren't for Whites. This tactic is call making a fake narrative. Its what you've done for the past 80 years.You say MIGA, and yet, you protect Israel at all times. You bastards literally piss in fear when I point out your jewish because now these tactics don't work anymore. Instead of White people getting duped that you have valid points, they can see you as the racial enemy you are, intentionally lying to harm them.
>>736751374
>>736751329How about you quote what else Schopenhauer said.The Jews are the scum of the earth, but they are also great masters in lying" (Auswurf der Menschheit, aber große Meister im Lügen).What do you know, thats what your doing, because you won't explain why you are attacking DOGE and Elon, because the justification basically comes from a hatred of Whites.
>>736751506>You could make up to 500k but who gives a fuck when the job sucks assit's called "delayed gratification" and you need an IQ higher than 95 to fully internalize the concept. I can see why it eluded you
>>736736371>willing to spend 14 hours on a factorio train for free>get paid to watch air trains not crash
whats a good job for some who is really stupid and just wants to be left alone all day
>>736751554It didn't say miga or white once.It identified one group: Americans.You are telling on yourself.
>>736736208finally my shameful amount of hours in VATSIM will pay off
>>736737258are you swiss? no? then no worriesif yes? don't kill swiss air force pilots
>>736736625
>>736751597this is a real quote btw, I was there when he said it
>>736736208I'd consider doing it if I was younger and wanted to live anywhere near an airport. I like living in a rural area.
>>736743627pilots fly one planeatc fly many planes, albeit remotely
>>736750150Rightards always have such disrespect for honest work. They feel entitled to get labor for free
>>736737651no one watched your video anon
>>736736336Based Desktop user>>736738732So do Ants by a larger ratio, and I respect them more than I respect your kind
>>736736208I have bad eyesight which means I can never become an ATC.
>>736736705Yet curiously, not desperate enough to pay what the job is worth
>>736752165As the saying goes, talk is cheap
>>736738034>>736737496>>736737437https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW-ScmGRMA
>>736743627pilot is an easier job, it's so easy any shitskin can do it now, the planes literally fly themselvesthe only time you need an actual competent white male pilot is when the plane is going to crash and companies would rather kill 300 people and lose 400 million in airplane parts than hire white men who can prevent crashes by virtue of competence
>>736736208>pay is supposedly super goodSorry but considering how important and stressful the job sounds it should be proportionally really good. Like $250k minimum. Maybe the useless owners can sell some jets.
>>736752294Probably still the most quoted movie lines in the tower
>>736751104Thats the easy part, but some couldn't do it. Maybe a job for more of the scizoid autist.
>>736741543it will be even easier to verify your age with a phone anon
>>736736208>age limitthat ship is sailed
>>736754759It'll be impossible on 4chan you dumbfuck third worlder, that's the point.It'll just end up like Australia where certain ISPs just block the site at the ISP level.
Just find people who have thousands of hours in games like picrel and are highly skilled at it. Literally, what is the problem?
>>736736208I tried for that job like pre-covid when I worked TSA, and they didn’t want me then.Eat shit, I’m a fireman now.
>>736755121honestly that's a pretty nice fallback, good work
>>736738149watercooler talk. team culture. STOP HAVING FUN!!!
>>736755775 they've been subtly floating the idea of in-office days once a month, and every time people threaten to quit and they back down. Everyone knows it's a slippery slope to getting us back in the office full-time, I genuinely don't understand why they keep trying to do it. Productivity has never been higher, we're saving a fuck ton of money on gas, get 3+ hours back in my day from not having to commute, and can shitpost on /v/ and play vidya during my downtime. I'll never go back to an office job if I have a say, I've tasted this sweet nectar and will never go back
>>736736625>thirdie vomits at the idea of a device that's infinitely superior to his digital flip flop
>>736736208as good as the pay is, i dont want a job where one fuck up could kill people
>>736744047I only play single player movie games though
>>736750150If it's honest work, then why aren't I paid an honest wage?
>>736736208Every job has a movie you should watch before applying, the movie for this job is Pushing Tin (1999) starring Billy Bob Thornton and John Cusack.
>>736744047>let 2 planes carsh into each other for the lulz>forget that I can't reload a save oooooooooooooops
>>736756340honest work =/= honest wage, obviously
>>736736208I would only accept it under three conditions:>majority of positions are filledso that I don't have to cover someone else calling in sick>4 hour shiftsI don't think I can stomach 8 hour shifts anymore, never mind 12>controller in bumfuck nowhereI'm definitely not taking a job that sees 2000 flights daily
Fragging is illegal and immoral. Do not do it.
>>736738628>>736736625draw them kissing
>"AI is the future">massive ad campaigns for this while still delegating automated technology to pornographic slopWhat's holding everyone back from releasing automated traffic control?
>>736758887because whoever signs off on using AI for that is going to be liable when it gets someone killed if they hire a real human bean then the human bean will be liable when they get someone killedit's that simple
>>736736208Gamers these days barely even talk in online lobbies.
>>736737845I have more hope for a chatbot to figure something out than for the best and the brightest "we're" importing from the 3rd world to not fuck up.
>>736758990I mean, you'd still have to hire one handler, but it seems like it'd be infinitely more manageable and cost efficient to assign multiple positions to one AI retard wrangler. It's how it already works with art studios and journalism.
>>736759116why is /v/ like this now
>>736736208>pilot requires mandatory early retirement but pays well enough so you can live comfortably and retire early without issue>ATC also requires mandatory early retirement but pays fuck all so you'll be forced to work call centre jobs when you reach your 50's because that's the only transferable skills you'll haveyeah, no thanks
>>736736208I haven't worked a single day in the past 20 years.
>>736759448>posts keneysianchecks out
>>736759234>now
>>736747807>get to play vidya all dayit's more like working at a call centre, except all the customers are pilots who talk really fast with a lot of numbers and headings and shit so you have to be locked in 100% of the time and one tiny slip up can end up killing hundreds of people and you'll be the one that gets blamed for it.
>>736759448Oji-san...I kneel...
>>736759448>I'll be waiting on the moon
>>736742714Man you are not ready for the job marketIf the govt doesn't pay you're 100% fucked, no recourse possible. My uncle went under. He did the work, didn't get paid. Couldn't sue. They wrote him a big IOY then he spent 10 years restructuring his debt to the suppliers
Why not? I'm alright at starcraft so I might have a chance at something cool and we'll paying as an ATC.
>>736736705Why not just hire back the guys they just fired then.
>>736759858fuck that sucks, not like you can really do anything against the gov't at the end of the day
>>736760307Why go back if they're not going to pay you better?
