Have gaming "journalists" ever recovered from this incident?
what the fuck do you think?
This is literally the only time a gaming journalist was based.
>>736983837it doesn't say you can reach the upper platform with jump+dash, so it's a design flaw
>>736983837Can you explain the issue with this?
>>736983837Who cares? Does anyone read, watch, or otherwise pay attention to """game journalists""" in the current year? There's an infinite amount of video and streaming content of every game that you can watch to form your own opinions. There is literally no reason to pay attention to journalists
>>736983837I wonder if this guy still has a job.
>>736984095>Does anyone read, watch, or otherwise pay attention to """game journalists""" in the current year?/v/ sure does.
they were good
>>736983837This was an absolute fucking nothingburger.
>>736983837In order to "recover" from something you need a baseline level of dignity and sense of responsibility in the first place. It's like asking if a toddler has recovered from the diaper shitting incident.
>>736984653Explain what was the issue with this incident.
They're trustful kids that only got those jobs via nepotism. They don't care
>>736984741>pretends he's qualified to rate video games>can't even make it through the Cuphead tutorial without searching the internet>proceeds to write dozens of articles about how Cuphead is harder than Dark Souls when it's really just cartoon Contra
>>736983837This isn't what did irreparable harm to gaming journalism. It was the years of moral grandstanding. Shit like this just showed explicitly how far removed the journalists were from the us.
>>736983910Too bad IGN retconned it then
>>736984838>Without searching the internetBut.. that never happened? He just fucked up, he didn't go: "oh my god where's my gamefaqs hookup for this?". >proceeds to write dozens of articles about how Cuphead is harder than Dark SoulsDid he? Last I checked when he wrote about cuphead, he just said he found it difficult, and overall like.. fucking praised the game. I find it weird, everyone mocks this dude, and acting like he's the reason games are for babies now, when he was like: "Yeah, this is good, more like this".
>>736983837No
>>736984838>without searching the internetAnon, it was worse than that. He was at a live event playing the demo and that brief period around 1:04 where he stops completely is when a staff member has clearly come over to explain how to progress.OTHER game journalists then wrote a bunch of COPE articles about how "you shouldn't need to be good at games to critique them"Unfortunately instead of being "good at games" it was being literate and having a bare-minimum of hand-eye coordination
>>736984995>But.. that never happened?yes it did, he literally asked for an iPad so he could look it upit didn't do him any good, because jump dashing is such a simple mechanic none of the faqs bothered covering it>Did he? Last I checked when he wrote about cuphead, he just said he found it difficult, and overall like.. fucking praised the game.bruh he started the entire "Dark Souls needs an easy difficulty" movement after gamers mocked his comparison, then the whole gaming industry helped him retcon it even harder than they retconned Alec Holowkabut then you have to have known all this already, just for your denial it happened to be your immediate reply, clearly you've practiced this gaslight sequence for yearsso I'll just leave pic related, and you can whine about how that never happened to someone who thinks you're valid
>>736983837NO lol they are never getting unraped
>>736985129He's crashing out over Crimson Desert having complicated controls right nowIt's fucking insane how devs pandered to this faggot's archetype
>>736984838Watching this hurts me physically
>>736983837I wonder if other game journos bullied this guy for ruining their already questionable reputation this fucking hard
>>736985434>yes it did, he literally asked for an iPad so he could look it upCan you source that claim? I have never seen it. >bruh he started the entire "Dark Souls needs an easy difficulty" movement Again, I hate to be a dick, and go. "Uuhm, source??" I have never heard that Dean was even involved in the "Dark Souls needs easy mode" debate, can't find anything on it, either. All I can see is that at some point he said Dark Souls wasn't his type of game. Which like... I guess fair enough? It's not for everyone. >The whole rest of the replyWhy are you such a massive faggot, you double nigger? Is literally anyone who doesn't fall in line with what some outrage youtuber said about Dean a leftist?? How the fuck are you accusing me of pre-canned dishonest replies, when you LITERALLY have "Everyone who disagrees with me is a grifting lefty" images fucking locked and loaded. Do you see the fucking irony? If you're not a fucking faggot, and you can get the cocks out of your holes for 2 seconds, you'll post proof of the two claims you have made. But judging by your response here's what's likely gonna happen if you try:>You'll google them>Can't find them because they never happened>faced with the fact that you believed some dumbass lies that aren't true you're gonna take the easy way out and just convince yourself that I'm the dishonest one, even if you can't find proof for anything you believe. Your move, anon.
>that time oneyplays spent an entire episode pretending to not know how to do the Cuphead tutorial
>>736985596>He's crashing out over Crimson Desert having complicated controls right now>It's fucking insane how devs pandered to this faggot's archetypeAnon, you don't have to be dishonest, just to keep hating game journos. It's not that CD has "complicated controls", Crimson Desert (specially at launch pre-patch) had and has fucking abysmall dogshit controls. That's not just a "filtered fucking game journo baby" opinion, that's the opinion of pretty much anyone playing the god damn game. In fact: Pretending like Crimson Deserts controlls are not absolute fucking dogwater makes you more of a tourist than he fucking is. Have you even played the god damn game? One of the first interactions is: "Hold CTRL and press E to talk to this person". What fucking utter nonsense is that? Just google "Crimson desert bad controls" or similar, and you find countless examples of people complaining about how batshit the fucking controls for this game are. Like, what the fuck are we even doing? Are we gonna pretend bullshit controls are good, actually, if someone fucking games journo says it? Like, if Dean Takaashi said, "This game is too woke" are you gonna say: "Fuck these game journos, games need more trannies, more LGBT pandering. If there's not man on man anal penetration on screen the whole time, is it even a video game?" You fags hate games journos so much you've become entirely unresonable. You're at the point where if a games journo said "this is piss", you fucking wouldn't stop pissing in your own mouths out of spite to tell him how good it is. Fucking get more normal. Call journos out for dumb bullshit. Agree with them if they're right. Just blindly calling them out for things even if they're correct is the dumbest shit I've ever seen on 4chan.
>>736983837Nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yYp8ZeQ-I8
>>736986079You might have a point if he wasn't verbatim ranting about "complicated controls"
>>736986326I'll have a look, maybe I am being a fag. Can you link it to me? But honestly kinda sounds like the same thing. Like needing to press 2 buttons to talk to an NPC, or to pick something up is by definition "overcomplicating" something, so there's a difference between saying: "this is way more complicated than it needs to be" which, I think it is, and "this is too complicated to understand" which it isn't. If he's saying the second one, it's a faggy opinion. But I couldn't find anything, when I googled his name & Crimson Desert all I found was preview shit, and such. Nothing about the controls, so spoonfeed, please.
game journalism died when twitch took offthey had little power to begin with, but these days their platforms are so old and low traffic that even a mid tier streamer is more important to a developer looking for press coverage
>>736986450https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KERT3P1j380&t=13040sI think it's somewhere in this segment where he starts ranting about "my god game development in 2026 you can be retarded and develop video games you can be a retard and make a video game" or maybe a little after it when he starts talking about how the game would work better with fromsoft's controls.
Reminder that no one outside of your chud heads is saying that Cuphead is racist and ableist, but it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-P9_oUV9Gw(Same thing about Stellar Blade being sexist)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsSguYNHpk
>>736983910God Hand fags seethe about this to this day
>>736986676Dude.. are you retarded or am I retarded? We're talking about games journalists, and that's DSP, Like yeah, he will call any game a buggy broken shitily made piece of shit, because he's completely incapable of seeing his own mistakes, he is without a doubt one of the worst, most incapable gamers of all time. But he's also: Not a games journalist. I guess I apologize, because I didn't realize we switched from actual journos to talking about DSP. But again: Not a journo. Not even remotely.
>>736984095>Does anyone read, watch, or otherwise pay attention to """game journalists""" in the current year?/v/ loses its collective mind every fucking year for "goty awards" and laments e3.
>>736985770kek you're that journalist aren't youfucking faggot suck my ass
>>736986823I think we're both retarded. Me much more so for listening to DSP's streams semi-regularly.
>>736983837From what I understand, the person playing in this footage was not actually a game journalist. Or more specifically, he was not hired to review games and thus has no reason to be good at them. He filled in because they were shortstaffed at an event. So the guy in this clip has never once reviewed a game and never did since.
>>736987120good
>>736987042Told ya you're not gonna find any proof of the claims you have made and default to just gaslighting yourself into thinking I'm trying to get one over on you instead of coming to terms with the fact that you believed something that wasn't true.>>736987065for sure some dual retardation going on here anon. But man, stop watching DSP. That can't be good for you, on any level.
>>736984012Watch the video of it and try not to have an aneurysm from it
Games journalism has been dead for more than 13 years now.And even before that it was always an asskisser profession to various degrees.
>>736987179don't you dare speak to me faggotdefending games journalistyou make me sick
>>736987292Anon, again: literally source me the two claims you have made, and I will change my opinion on the spot, apologize to you, and say that you were correct and I was right.
>>736987454>implying I'm the original fag you were arguing withI'm fucking with you fucking hell, i could give two fucks about this
>>736987454Meant "i was wrong" of course.
>>736987498Lmao, got me good, you fucker.
Don't forget this one!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD-uwu847Q
>>736983837>>736987120>>736987221This shit just showed how effective gaming / media related outrage youtube channels are, and how easily gamers can be lied to, as long as you spin them a "they're coming for your hobby!!!" narrative. Most anons still believe that this fag was some scourge of gaming, who was too retarded he couldn't beat cuphead, and then lead an angry campaign to force game devs to make their games easier. Nothing of that is true. Dean Takahashi worked for a small reviewer group, and was the only one available to cover Gamescon in Germany. There, one of the games he played, was Cuphead. And yes, here's the part that's true: He sucked at it and got stuck at the tutorial. That part is true. But hever never complained. He never said it was too hard, he never said games need to be easier. he made self deprecating jokes, naming the article "Cuphead hands-on: My 26 minutes of shame with an old-time cartoon game", saying stuff like: "Go ahead, laugh your heart out at my expense." he was good natured about it. He played it, realized he ballsed it up, and thought people could have a little laugh at how bad he's being. His entire review is praising cuphead:>it’s harder than it looks, and that is part of its appeal>it shows quite well why Cuphead is fun and why making hard games that depend on skill is like a lost art.He praised the game and it's difficulty. He called his gameplay his "26 minutes of shame", he called his display shameful multiple times. He essentially took his own gameplay and said: "Fucking skill issue, me". So why do we hate him so much? Clearly. some guy sucking massive balls at a game, and going: "Haha, oh wow I sure fucked that up, god that's bad" isn't so bad that fucking 10 years later anons still seethe about it?
>>736987120>So the guy in this clip has never once reviewed a game and never did since.
>>736987629Truth is: it's outrage merchants. Again: think about what this incident actually was: One dude saying: "Boy I was really bad at this, but the game is really good and fun". If it wasn't for all these fags, making videos about it, trying to turn it into some anti-journo culture war, who would honestly still care? Who would even think it was bad in any way? Instead they keep that flame stoked. They use a video of bad performance, to sell you a lie. "they're coming for your games". They're telling you "these journos want to take away your difficult games", without ever actually showing any journos saying there should be no difficult games. Fuck, even the whole "easy mode" debate is about having it as AN OPTION, not the only thing there is. It's all fucking lies and manipulation. None of it is fucking true. They just kept repeating this Idea, that Dean was the origion of "journos want easier games" until it was accepted. And yet: Dean never said that. Dean never complained about cuphead being too hard, or needing to be easier. That was all fucking made up.
>>736983916I saw a Reddit thread where this was being said unironically.
>>736987689Was it really like that? I don't remember Cuphead being the start of the 'journo difficulty' complaints. If anything, it was Souls games that got constantly derided because 'le git gud is toxic' and that's way before Cuphead.When the Dean video came out, I remember all the laughs and comparisons to 4yo using ipad/pigeon/whatever but I certainly do not remember him saying anything about the game being too hard.I think we're mixing up things here.
>>736983837>Have gaming "journalists" ever recovered from this incident?Yeah they did, it's 1-1 now between them and us.
>>736987671NTA: But while Dean is a reviewer, he never reviewed Cuphead. he previewed it at gamescon, and then uploaded the footage saying "laugh at how bad I am at this". The actual review was done by a fella names Mike Minotti (source: https://gamesbeat.com/cuphead-review-a-uniquely-beautiful-and-worthwhile-challenge/ ) who gave it an 85/100 and said that the fact that it was so hard made it so rewarding.
>736987629>736987689>736987771Replied to myself award
>>736987629that would be acceptable if this was my friend reviewing a game on his blog, but a "professional" reviewer shouldnt be laughing at their lack of skills in the thing they are reviewing. if a book reviewer posted a video of them finger reading and stumbling over words in the cat in the hat id immediately doubt any review of any book they ever made
>>736988024Pretty much. If it was a preview of say, Fall Guys and the player was just really bad at it (being a first time player, and possibly with a beta version) I'd think it would be fine.But the level of 'skill' shown in the Cuphead video was just laughably bad. You either think the player is deliberately acting retarded, or that he is just bad at it outright... Both cases don't paint a good picture for a 'pro'.
>>736983910God Hand is a great game though a certified 8/10 with a unique take on the beat em up genre. Over the shoulder fightan with tank controls that work surprisingly well once you get the hang of them.Honestly thinking about it I'd even rate it a 9/10 for its dynamic difficulty capabilities in the ps2 era. The games only real flaws are it's graffix and story.
>>736987771>Was it really like that?Yeah. Dark souls for sure was a discussion about difficulty and all. but this "Games journos hate difficult games" started with cuphead. It was popularized by smear articles like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20171030145654/https://supernerdland.com/postmortem-the-darks-souls-of-game-reviews/ Which takes stuff like Polygon thinkpieces on the nature of difficulty, which presents both sides of that argument, (both how a game too difficult will lead to some players never being able to experience it AND the fact that the difficulty IS part of the intended experience, that isn't the same if you just tune it down) to have an discussion. The "anti journo" article however, clearly just hopes that you "won't read polygon swill", see the headline, and agree that it's "attacking cuphead for it's difficulty" even if it is not, at all. This article was then also linked by Ian Miles Chong, who at the time was somewhat influential, and from there that narrative just fucking spread like wildfire. I mean the Idea that "official" game journos just hate difficulty can be easily disproven by looking at the critic metacritic scores for games like Cuphead, Darksouls, Elden Ring, and other famously difficult games. They're all: Extremely high. So CLEARLY games journos do also love these difficult games. Love cuphead. >but I certainly do not remember him saying anything about the game being too hardIs kinda exactly my point. He never did call it too hard. But everyone making videos ABOUT deans failure at cuphead said or implied that he thinks it's too hard. That he hates it because he struggles. That he wants games to be easier. Despite him never ever saying anything like that.
>>736987042Faggot it's obvious you just made that shit up and are too retarded to defend yourself.
>>736988024Well luckily he never reviewed cuphead. >>736988165I dunno. We all have games we suck at, moments where we get stuck on something simple, realize it, and go: "oh my god I'm fucking retarded." Like others have said: He was part of a small team, was the only one available to go to Germany, and covered a bunch of shit there. I imagine being live at a place, chatting with the devs, and then playing in front of everyone while you're supposed to make mental notes on everything can be stressfull and lead to you fucking up more than. It happens. Who cares? After all, a reviewer is not supposed to be "the most skilled person taking a look at a game", it's someone whose taste you understand and can compare to your own, when reading their review. That's why Roger & Ebert often had different opinions and viewpoints. Because a review is not an objective thing. It's a subjective thing. You are meant to understand Ebert, and think: "Ah, if ebert likes/hates this I might like/hate this". (and you can exchange both like and hates here independent of each other). For what it's worth: clearly he does have the skill, because after this tragedy he went back and beat the level he struggled on during the live event: https://gamesbeat.com/cuphead-watch-dean-conquer-his-demons/I think there was supposed to be a video there, but either I'm retarded, or it's gone now.
