the Stop Killing Games public hearing in the European Parliament is starting nowhttps://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-on-internal-market-and-consumer-protection-ordinary-meeting-committee-on-legal-affairs-com_20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI
mold man speaking right now
>>737037749>No live chatIs EU going to sneak in general software protections under the games umbrella
>>737038114When a black mold speaks, I listen.
GET THEIR ASSES
>>737038214in the beginning MEP was talking about sustainability and software in general, so.. maybe?
>>737038214Hopefully.The same problems afflicting games are present in all software and it would be nice if we could avoid speedrunning the process of all development software passing to private equity and becoming useless SaaS with indefinitely deferred maintenance.The same problems with games as a service are practically institutionalized in enterprise or productivity software as a service.
Who tf is this german dude
Is there something interesting happening or have the MP fell asleep already due to the complicated technical lingo they don't understand?
>>737038679Axel Voss>>737038765they are currently asking questions
>Project Gutenberg but for vidjaBaste
He won
>Polish guy proposing for the players to be able to sell/trade their licenses on Steam etcOy vey, it's like anotha shoah, how is this antisemite allowed in
>concord
>>737038850"Slick" Rickshaw Ross
>>737038834I can hear Nintendo's screeching already.
CONCORD MENTIONED
>I'm on a side questshe cute
>sus
fucking cringe jesus fucking christget this woman out of there
>>737038946>arrow to the knee
>MEMESPOUTING
>the leftI don't understand frog, is she defending the corporations?
Remember ross isthe same as those who ok with age varification
Genuine question: Is moldman the only "e-celeb" worth his salt?Dude never had a grift, never lost his genuine attitude or odd edge, follows through on plans and promises. This whole SKG thing has been a mission well over a decade in the making, and he's making it happen while simultaneously never overstating his own role in the thing, happy to hand it off to more competent people when the situation calls for it.
Why do some people hate this initiative? I don't assume they aren't all publishers
>>737038991There's a translation option. She's antisemitic and doesn't understand copyright law.
>>737039029trolls and corpocucks
Seeing my favourite turbosperg who couldn't care less about appearance sitting inbetween all these tidy and formal Eurocrats might be the singlemost hilarious juxtaposition ever.
>>737039029Bootlickers, corpo worshippers or even sad people that don't like when others have success in actually changing something for the better, because it attacks their cynical view of the world.
>>737039032>Check out english option>it's muted compared to original audio, in English
I have a feeling most MPs in the Parliment are very confused about what the issue even is, because most are boomers that don't know what a "videogame" is.And the solution will most likely be:>force the publisher to change the word "purchase" into a "licence">but this doesn't solve our issue, because we have no other choice but to accept the licence>so, stop playing videogames and touch grass
>>737039029Some people think more government involvement in art is a bad thing. I'm inclined to agree with them.
>>737039070>rightfully seethe over GaaS>years pass>sitting in as a guest in European parliamentWhat a wild ride that must be.
>>737037749Oh man, it's so weird seeing Ross dressed "nicely" and speaking at the fucking EU.
>>737039145>I don't play vidya, but I have 5 kids who do and they say this is a huge issueActual quote from the livestream
>>737039201>don't have the government do what it was designed to do>instead fight a losing battle against multibillion dollar corporation in courts>aka. do nothing
>>737039226>it's so weird seeing Ross dressed "nicely"he doin his best
>>737039201This isn't just about software as art, it's about software as a product.Government doesn't say anything about how you can draw your painting, but it has much to say about an artist that starts torching all his paintings in an art gallery.
>>737039201It's not government involvement in art, it's government involvement in consumer rights. Stop twisting the narrative. All everyone wants is take the "right" from corporations to just withdraw at will the product you paid for for no good reason.
>>737039070>black shirt to hide the black mold that's underneathClever
lootbox mentionedkek
>>737039226He looks like an older dude who works IT that hates dressing up but has to for work. They're usually the coolest.
>VIDEOJUGO
I watched his original video on The Crew all the way back when. Crazy to see how far he's made it.
the most "italian" man to ever exist
>>737039309Oh I know, no insult meant to him. A nice shirt and combed hair is more than I expected
>protections for minorsage verifications for euros NOW you're going to need to present your IDs to play games
that boomer was completly off topic
Mount & Blade gamer member of parliament, based based based.
holy SHIT the translator for this lady
>>737039475The Polish translator is just as awful.
>>737039475meemaw is gonna fucking die
what did she say
this translator's batteries need a recharge
>>737039201The problem is that the government is already involved due to copyright and the shortsighted decision made to not only extend copyright to software in the way that they did, but also to provide additional legal protections to DRM.The reality is that games are no longer sold as is and rights holders will not only by default pick up burdens that they have no intention or capability of fulfilling indefinitely, but they will also attempt to actively dismantle their existing works when it favors them.
>>737039487>Fie seconds of stuttering over simple golden goose
>>737039330You cant communistically force game devs to keep servers up forever anonThe moment where an eu official gets up and orders a pack of feral Middle Eastern refugees to tear Ross limb from limb will come ANY second now
>>737039201Corporations are just specific govermental departments with less incentive to care about the citizenry/consumerMegacorporations are almost entire departments.>But my gov barely ever help the citizenry Exactly the bar is that low and corps will naturally want it lower because the consumer is NOT a shareholder.
>>737039245kek looking forward to this shit to backfire so hard
>>737039579>You cant communistically force game devs to keep servers up forever anonGood thing it's not the topic of discussion eh?
737039579>2010+10+6>anon still baiting in SKG threads with no idea what it's actually about
>>737039579That's not what the issue is all about.Why do I have to lose access to a singleplayer mode once the servers shut down, just because the publisher autistically insists on the retarded "always-online" mode?
>>737039606>>737039645anons, I can't help but think that other guy isnt serious.I am not sure what about that post makes me doubt the authenticity, but I suspect it was somewhere around the point he started talking about Ross being torn apart by arabs that were released like a pack of lions upon him
>haha bottle caps lmaooo EUropean inventions keeekmeanwhile, in reality>EU citizens are healthier and live longer than muttoid mutants>almost free education, healthcare much more accessible and most people are not one hospital visit away from becoming homeless like in Weimerica>taxes and fines for muttoid corporations, you either bend your knees and comply with EU regulations or lose access to the second biggest consumer market in the world>saves gaming and consumer rightsThe pan-european federation is unstoppable
>>737039687Do you think people actually finish reading posts once they flag them as shizo shit/shilling?
I can't watch it because work but will the pro-corpo shills just use "some games are built to be online only and doing anything else will require rebuilding the code" and everything will remain the same?
Only caught the end of it but it seems the boomers are on board with the initiative.
>>737039645You would think they would have come out with something else to bait during all this time, there are a ton of other potential issues with SKG off the top of my head that are a bit harder to dismiss than that same argument that is countered by simply pointing on what the initiative is actually asking.
>>737039761I think they've adressed this issue head-on near the beginning with "SO STOP DESIGNING THE GAMES THIS WAY".
>>737039579You cant.However, you can allow people to host their own servers for the game and if you cant do that, your game should have a guaranteed date that the game will run until regardless of playerbase.As it stands a concord can just end service immidiately the moment they see it flops enough and screw the consumer.There are plenty of GAAS and gacha that has done this, except The Crew didnt even bother to notify in advance and its only online feature is a leaderboard.
>>737039687From years of these threads I have learned it's impossible to discern mere sarcasm from actual corporate bootlicking who will use any "argument" to discredit this EU operation, especially if from the US.
>>737039761They'd be silly to since none of this is asking to apply retroactively. Meaning nothing in development now would need to change anything, it would only mean that games in the future would be required to be developed with indefinite support in mind (or to not require indefinite support in the first place).
It was just lightly touched during the hearing, but do you think they might potentially provide legal rights for customers to modify the games for the purpose of preservation as long as it's not monetized in any way?
>>737039848So.... the bit about "any second now he will be torn to pieces live on TV" was too difficult?>>737039728well that guy only put in two sentences.I was able to notice so why shouldn't other people?
They won't do shit, they never do, number one 'cause they haven't played a videogame in their lives and don't give a shit about the medium, number two because they're all to eager to suck on corporate cock at the detriment of the consumer
Nothing good ever happens.Stop getting your hopes up.Corporations won.
>>737039927... the losing contest.
One guy with enough determination can make a difference. That guy is Pirate Software whose retardation saved the initiative. Pic unrelated.
I trust the moldman. Hope it gets through.
>>737039919some of them have played games tho
>>737039959Even if it ends up failing, that retard really is the only reason it ever had a chance.7 years being a social manipulator at blizzard and he still fucks up this badly at controlling the crowd. What an actual fuck up lol.
>>737039708that's changing as we speakhealthcare is going to cost more and will provide less in every major eu country. Germany and france will follow italy for example where dental work isn't covered. You won't be homeless, but enjoy drinking your meals through a straw(paper) from now on.Education ist getting more expensive, too.Corruption fucks every country and the eu as a whole. Still not as bad as murica but enshitification is a process.
>>737039687Unable to understand a joke due to crippling autism or bots? Call it.
>>737039970Visual novels aren't games
>>737039330>It's not government involvement in artIt literally is. It changes the products you are/are not allowed to make.
>>737037749Youtube video?
>>737040019nobody with money would be hiring bots to work against corporate interests.its autism
So, have they concluded anything substantial?
>>737040024one of them played the crew
>>737039535Copyright is actually a good thing, it encourages original ideas.This stupid skg shit will only hurt indies because megacorps actually have the resources to comply.
>>737039201They're not getting involved in artThis is them getting involved in buisnessRetard
>>737040018two more weeks bro
>>737040065no it doesn't.
>>737038214>>737038613This is the way to goin my opinionJust make it so that all software is either supported by the makers or they HAVE to offer an alternative or a refundIf I buy something, it HAS TO BE MINEIf the original company pulls the game, you either refund everyone, or you allow people to self hostAlso >>737038898, all linceses need to be able to be soldIt's bullshit otherwiseAnd stop whining about lootboxes or microtransactions, it's pointless and not the issue, I don't know why they kept bringing it up
>>737040065>Copyright is actually a good thingEase up on the throttle, you're making it too obvious.
>>737040091I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns
Why can't corpos just let gamers host their own servers once they decided to shut down their GaaS? What kind of threat can they see from gamers continuing to beat a dead horse?
>>737040053Doesn't have to be about working against corporate interest, could be some gay AI study like the reddit change my mind one
>>737039049>>737039103>>737037749>you're a bootlicker if you make a paid MUD in javascript and MySQL and don't release the source code when the playerbase dies >you're a bootlicker if you disagree that you HAVE to have a corporate level budget and code your game to use P2P >you're a bootlicker if you even try to make a game that invalidates my indulgent false morality that treats two people unable to play an online video game as a transgression against humanity>you're a bootler if you want to make a limited time only game>you're a bootlicker for wanting to cut your losses>you're a bootlicker for even trying to make a video game without a budget>you're a bootlicker, despite me not even definining what boot you lick>you're a bootlicker for not even playing games as service games because you vote with your wallet >you're a bootlicker if you think it isn't wrong to have third-worlders profit off of hosting your own game >you're a bootlicker if you think a game that requires an anti-cheat can just be hijacked by hackers and dans
>>737040026>It changes the products you are/are not allowed to makeOh no, they can't make products that disappear from consumers? Poor corporations.
>>737039848This issue is so clear-cut that every counterargument is certainly based upon retardation and/or corruption, and one should mark down all the names of officials who are against this movement very cleanly and clearly for future use. When we are allowed to give up our votes again of course!
>>737040124I'm entitled to your source code or whatever tools to host the game myself, shut up
>>737040051https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSla5vfGi3Athe opening statements of the eu commission is missing here though, no idea why
>>737040116Calm down Jason, you don't have enough mana for such a big incantation. I mean sure, you have a full mana bar AND a gem you can pop to refill your mana, but still, you're out of mana and there's nothing you can do.
>>737040057you never know with these boomers, I heard a lot of discussion about microtransactions, one guy even brought up some shit like protecting minors and banning them from playing games with certain elementsI wouldn't be surprised if some people try to hijack this so that videogames require age verification too
>>737039919They immediately brought up the point that any arguments here applies to almost all digital goods in the single market and that this case should be seen as the framework for that.
>>737040123No.You are a lesser autist and do not feel the tingle.
>>737040096>If the original company pulls the game, you either refund everyone, or you allow people to self hostThis is the most fucking retarded argument skgfags have. If you go to mcdonalds and eat a fucking burger, you're not entitled to a refund when you shit it back out.This is why people call you commies a bunch of retards.
>>737040149>i'm a third-worlder and a communist
>>737040119They won't play their shittier new games then.
>>737040189>if you want to own the things that you purchased then you are a third-worlder and a communistmuttoid education
>>737040065No it doesn't, copyright stifles creativity because some chucklefuck copyrighted somethingNintendo wanted to copyright fucking jumping and they think they own the monster collecting genre despite ripping it off from Dragon QuestWB copyrighted the Nemesis system, Capcom copyrighted minigames in loading screensIt's all retardedWhat should be allowed is trademarks, because you can't trick people into thinking they have an actual Nintendo developed Mario game if it's not
>>737040057It's just a hearing. It's the part where the representatives state the issue. No conclusions yet.
imagine if companies could have deleted your DVD, vinyls, VHS, or car's motors because they made it. all these protections would be on place years ago.same with adblocks. they are legal because TV channels were told long ago people skipping ads from recorded TV was fine. viewers are not obligated to swallow ads. they can just turn off the TV even on live tv,
>>737040179>food analogyO SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEE
>>737040096Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?
>>737040201Then they just have to make non-shitty games then.
>>737040179If you eat burger and you can prove it gave you food poisoning you absolutely can sue the shit out of McDonald's.>Food analogy
>>737040215you didn't purchase the server retard, you bought the client
>>737040123btw, THESE >>737040215 are the "counter bots"its the same set of jeets being retarded, but trying to stir the pot with a fake argument.
Why are muttgolems so enraged and disturbed by the notion that you might want consumer rights/protection especially for your games? They have this weird visceral reaction whenever you mention harming heckin corporations
>>737040081CDU Krankenkassenreform "bro">pay less (never going to happen), get less (will happen)
SKG shit just makes me realize how much people don't really understand or care about how the world actually works and only think about things emotionally and what they wantLive service games are not products.They are services you have the privilege of accessing>Forcing game companies to give away the release the infrastructure and bones they created to allow people who don't own the copyright to run and even possibly make money off of their productBy far the stupidest thing SKG wants>Everything Thor relatedBecause Thor communicates his thoughts like a jackass narcissist, most people just want him to lose out of spite rather than think about what SKG actually does to games long term
>>737039927>>737039919this is EU, not America. They've passed some pretty based things recently, like not allowing applecucks to use their own charger and forcing them to use USB-C, suing twitter, and I think banning lootboxes and predatory shit in gaming is also gaining traction. And now with the whole tariff situation they are cutting off US corpos and boosting EU ones, including making a new credit company away from american ones. If they can fuck with America, they gladly do.
>>737040179If I go to McDonalds and buy a Happy Meal, I want to own the toyI don't want McDonalds to remotely break itI want my toy car to keep going as long as I fucking wantBesides, Google refunded everyone after they EoS Stadia, so there's precedent for it dumbfuck
>>737040179are you like, special needs or something?
>>737040262I bought the game, not the client not the server, I bought the package deal. I expected my product to work at full capacity even if game company goes belly up.
>>737040150For some reason I thought the OP video was 12 hours long and got confused by this one being an hour long.
>>737040303The USA is not built on and for freedom despite how much they worship the word and how much they bootlick the constitution.
>>737039201This got the commies seething
NINTENDO AMERICA STOP THIS MAN!!!
>>737040262>you didn't buy the server, hence you can't use the client when we say so>ok we'll just create our own server>NOOOOOO, UR A COMMIE! JUST SHUT UP AND CONSOOM NEXT GAME!
>>737040262I bought a functioning gameI am entitled to have a functioning game at any point in timeif the functioning game includes the source code of the server then I get that too>>737040275cope retard, as soon as people call out your retarded narrative then it's suddenly "counter bots" or whateverguess what, I just want to keep my games, deal with it corpocuck
>>737040124Your army of strawmen doesn't matter. You're a bootlicker because you defend owning nothing and being happy. Today, corporations can shut off your bought and paid for games whenever they want with no recourse, because you own nothing. Tomorrow, it'll be your car, your fridge, your pacemaker.
>>737040318Then sell them as services. Charge a monthly subscription or state upfront when support ends.
>>737040303They live their lives under the delusion that one day they'll make it and become the ones in charge of the corporations, not knowing they will never escape their serf status.
>>737040096the legal definition of ownership means that will never happen, you will always be buying a copy of a license regardless of what happens here because legally ownership means copyright holder which means you get to control distribution and reproduction
>>737040356pajeet I don't give a fuck.america is waiting with open arms for SKG to pass :)
>>737040318>ThorWho's thor? Are you talking about Jason? Or Maldavius Figtree?
The last thing we need is even more government regulations and overreach.SKG will end up hurting indies and make it so only large corporations can release games. It's just so fucking blatant with how much the gaming media is hyping up SKG.
>>737040326Stadia was a testing ground and it was in Google's best intention to just refund everyone and not face a bajillion dollar lawsuit.
>>737040384>everyone who wants their consumer rights to be ensured is a pajeetok muttgolem>america is waitingkeep waiting then, meanwhile I will enjoy my games provided by american companies with server source code and all that
>>737037749>Cultural marxismfuck off
>>737040065indie games dont run gaas slop that uses exclusively servers to run their game so it is literally a non issuepayday 3 and kf3 are serverside so you cant even play offline to "prevent hackers" and yet hackers can still do what they wantthere should be a seperate client for singleplayer and multiplayer like modern warfare and black ops did
>>737040229No they're notThey're software and cultural productsI can own a book loan it and resell itI can buy, own, loan, and resell a music discI can buy own, loand and resell a physical video game discI should be able to buy, own, loan, and resell a digital copy of a videogame, of any software
>>737040428>retarded jeet doesn't know european standards make companies enforce them in america as welland that is why you dumb shitskins always reveal what you are lmao
justdontbuythegameifyoudontliketheirpracticesno need to legislate a luxury good you fucking moronsJust learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.
>>737040057Largely uninterested response until the topic of age verification came up
>>737038679wypipo in the 30s be like
>>737040417I'm sure all the indie live service games have plans in place.
>>737040450>kf3 are serverside so you cant even play offline tripwire deserves a dick up the ass for thisI'm glad I didn't buy kf3 and I never will
>>737040417Are unions also bad? Is it bad when people are protected from abuse?
Based Ross.
>>737040465What if all games are GaaS in the future? What then?
I don't think I ever suffered from a live-service game shutting down but good luck
>>737040492Stop being an antisemite
Yes, let's just pass SKG, the EU are the good guys, I swear!
>>737040124Bad faith arguments, purposefully missing the point and purposefully misinterpreting the topic: the post.
>>737040136I'm worried about what it does for indies, I don't care about corpos.
>>737040463what's up with this weird obsession with jeets? >make companies enforce them in america as wellI don't care whether they enforce it in muttland or not, all I care about it owning my games, shut up golem
>>737040505Kill all jews. :)Seig Heil.
It's insane how flawless the sabotage operation that nuked occupy wall street from within was done. You see it in this very thread, reprogrammed meat golem brains into considering anything short of slutsquatting for big corpo cock to be literally communism.
>>737040465Kill yourself.
>>737040516That's all narcissist 101.
>>737040534>pajeet seethes over his designationthe mask slips further lmao
>>737040318If they are a service that sells a product to use their service, they must be charged as a service, taxed as a service and be forced to give far more transparancy like any traditional service
>>737040472Shut your bitch ass mouth up blk boy a WhiteGod is speaking.
>>737040096>all linceses need to be able to be soldThis is the one talking point I can't get behind. When it comes to a digitally distributed product, there would be no difference between a used and new copy, no reason for someone to actually pay the creator of the product for their work. Pushing for reselling licenses will have nasty knock on effects, single player games being locked behind subscription services rather than being sold and multiplayer games being shut down quicker (for compliance you will be left with a bare bones LAN version). I can't see any real benefit from people being able to sell their steam licenses and I can see plenty of detriments.
>>737040558I accept your concession mutt
>>737040510good luck to all euros posting here when that happens
>>737040543>flawlessI mean, it's not really flawless when we can see it happening? Successful alone doesn't make something flawless, you're giving them too much credit. It's not hard to sway the NPC opinion when you own the world.
>>737040465Thats what im doing, but the people... are retarded
>>737040590>pajeet mangles english and blindly repeats a phraseLMAO
>>737040510This is already happening in the USA though
>>737040443I once asked myself how EU governments has so much overreach in people's lives, but after finding out about Stop Killing Games, I now understand why: european people begs for it.
>>737040229>Games are not physical products you can "own".I used to own videogames 20 years ago. Hell, I still have fully functioning legal and physical copies of some of my older games, like Baldur's Gate 2 or Warcraft 2. Then it was decided I no longer own a game, because that's not what a "game" is - why and who decided that?
>>737037749So I'm skimming through the footage a bit and I hear a lot of EU reps who either play video games or are parents of kids who play video games. This might actually go somewhere.
Look, no one here is a commie.Nothing is wrong about capitalism.Is just that capitalism should always serve the best interest of the consumer.
>>737040614thanks for the games :)
>>737040649>jeet devolves into blindly picking phrases from the list his whiter master gave him
>>737040624What over reach? Do you have an example?
>>737040643>Nothing is wrong about capitalism.>Is just that capitalism should always serve the best interest of the consumer.These two sentences contradict each other. Always Remember: Crticising capitalism does not make you a communist.
>>737040679Why are you replying to someone with such atrocious english lol
>>737039029It's an initiative that ultimately gives corporations a guideline on how to fuck the consumer 100% legally and we as consumers are losing our greatest weapon, the grey area.
>>737040179Can you stop thinking about food when we're talking about video games
>>737040684There was a time when "the customer is always right" was a thing.But I guess people forgot that.
>>737040465>vote with your walletHow did that go with Visa? bet you didn't follow your own advice lmao
>>737040671there's nothing to talk about, you are an uneducated mentally ill golem so keep seething I guess, I'd rather play games (with server source code to which I'm entitled since I purchased the game)
>>737039919>They won't do shit
>>737040443>everything that helps the people is communismNo wonder burgers don't have a sense of community and belonging. That's communism!
>>737040379Just give me full ownership of the licenseI can own a car, give the keys to someone else and let them use it, and then resell itI don't need to be the owner of the car company to do it>>737040589I disagreeYou want to make a subscription for a single player game? Ok, it's not gonna cost full price anymore, it's gonna be like renting games back in the day, I don't see the issue, I miss renting games, it was cheap as fuckAnd if anything it will increase sales because more people are willing to pay full price for a digital game if they know they can resell itUsed games have always, been a thinig, and all this fearmongering is falseWe're going much more digital than before, so the digital world needs to be as consumer friendly as the physical market was before
>>737040216>Capcom copyrighted minigames in loading screensWasn't that Namco? I agree with you otherwise.
>>737039201Government is involved either way if you're not abolishing it. Someone else will tell them what to do.
>>737040693I'm just curious what nonsense he comes up with.
>>737040729Lolberts should be forced to always drive off-road.
>>737040739Yeah its Namco
>>737040701>our greatest weapon, the grey area.Like what? Reverse engineering the servers? You can't do that, goy.One of the EU antisemites even talked about the "right to resurrect", which is a blatant attack on Isreal's interests.
>>737040725>pajeet seethes morejeets like you will sit in line behind me for that code.
>>737040505No.
>>737040794thanks for the games golem :)
>>737040716Because we live in an era where monoplies are the norm and any smaller alternatives for products or services simply can't compete. The customer is always right is an idiom that only works if the company in question has to care about individual customer feedback, which a monopoly doesn't.
>>737040824>pajeet is so owned they repeat themselvespffft
>>737039761They're not going to ask for retroactive enforcement. So nothing has to be rebuilt, you build your new game to abide by the new rules.
>>737040216the biggest issue with copyright is that fight it is hard and only benefits the wealthy. no matter if you have proof that said shit was made way long ago by someone else.the whole system is made to protect patent trolls like edison.
>>737040065>Copyright is actually a good thing, it encourages original ideas.You do realize that Capitalism free market is stuck and failing because of monopolies, over regulations and copyright out of control right?im not against you getting money for something you created, like Japan intended at first, making the FMA mangaka the richest woman in Japan for like 2 weeks with it, Im against bullshit like banning mods,custom firmware and not being able to use a certain shade of color due to copyright
>>737040843that still doesn't change the fact that muttoid golems like you will have to comply :)
>>737040465>luxury good
>>737040465>vote with your fucking wallet.this will never work for anything, not just for thiseven when a considerably amount of people decide to vote with their wallets by simply not buying a product, there's at least 10x times more people who still buy that product, which means that no matter how many people vote with their wallet, it'll never be enough people to matter.And no, this isn't cause "there aren't enough people who care", but cause if you tell someone to, as example, "not buy the upcoming AAA cause *insert valid reason here*", the vast majority of people will ignore the callout and won't read the reason cause "but i wanna play it!"EU consumer protection laws exist EXACTLY cause of this, to protect the large portion of consumers who are too idiots to protect themselves(by voting with their wallet) from companies who try to take advantage of said idiocy.
>>737040878>jeet repeats a lie he already got schooled on
>>737040065>Copyright is actually a good thing, it encourages original ideas.wrong, which is why you have infinite remakes and sequels to the same IPs over and overthe market will decide what is an original idea
>>737040881> there's at least 10x times more people who still buy that productWell, that and any time people vote with their wallet and succeed, Visa stops processing payments and threatens every company involved if they don't shut it down immediately.The game is rigged even if you win.
>>737040510to be fair,am I crazy to think the the WU might actually break apart by then?same with the UN?something, its really fucking breaking everywhere
>>737040465>no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons>if i buy a product, the company i bought it from has all the rights to remove my ownership of the product for no reason other than the fact that it's not a necessityyou're the moron for not understanding ownership
Sad to see threads with topics like these devolve into /pol/-lite with lunatics and mental ills arguing and sperging out.I wish the trolling and shitposting were done in an amusing way at least.
>>737040897crazy how big of a nerve did I just hitlook mutt this conversation is going nowhere (because you are retarded), stay mad while I enjoy games, there's nothing else to sayyou are still going to comply and there's nothing you can do about it :)
I bought it, I own it.I can do whatever I want with it.Anyone who gets mad at that is against his own basic rights.
>>737040417>SKG will hurt indies (who make online services)For starters name me at least 5 non multiplayer indie games that cannot be played at all if their mandatory online services are offline.Then state to me how people who cannot afford copyright legal teams in the first place are somehow ok with illegal reverse engineering, but not when it is regulated.Now explain to me how giving a minimal guarantee date for an indies online service that they set themselves, hurts them.AAA had people make and host their own servers and their copyright hasnt been damaged at all, in fact their latest entry has broken records. (Battlefield)
>>737040927>which is why you have infinite remakes and sequels to the same IPs over and overthisand the sad part is, the mass thinks these infinite rehashes are original ideas
>>737040985you are retarded.this happens because the corporate interests are threatened, so they try to drown everything out>>737040998awwwww jeet is mad and says I hit a nerve lol
>>737041006anon this is actual antisemitismTHINK OF THE CORPORATIONSmy puritan protestant work ethic tells me that if will be a good enough goy and work hard enough (for corporations that don't give a shit about me) and sacrifice my children for moloch/baal and make money my religion I will get to the top or something
>>737041006Gabe believes differently.
>>737040216>copyright stifles creativity because some chucklefuck copyrighted somethingIt doesn't, someone owning their idea doesn't mean you can't make your own. If anything it helps creativity.>Nintendo wanted to copyright fucking jumpingThat's patenting and no they didn't, it was a joke miyamoto made years after. It also wouldn't prevent anyone else from having jumping in a game, just the way Nintendo does it meaning that they'll have to create a new jumping mechanic. >and they think they own the monster collecting genreWhich is also false. Palworld plagiarised their patented idea, Gamefreak didn't plagiarise DQ or Megaten nor did Digimon with Pokemon. This is an example of IP law promoting creativity by the way.>WB copyrighted the Nemesis system, Capcom copyrighted minigames in loading screensThat's patent, again, and it was Namco, not Capcom. It's worth noting that Bandai before the merger had loading screen mini games because they made their own version that infringe on Namco's, which is, again, another example of IP law promoting creativity.>What should be allowed is trademarks, because you can't trick people into thinking they have an actual Nintendo developed Mario game if it's notNo, trademarks are the weakest of the IP laws and it wouldn't prevent people from making "Mario's platforming adventure" that's just SMB1 copied wholesale.It just goes to show that the only people mad about IP law as it is are the people who either don't understand it or can't create for shit.
>>737041018>still going with his weird obsession with jeetsyou still have to comply with EU regulations tho so it's fine
>>737040734>You want to make a subscription for a single player game? Ok, it's not gonna cost full price anymore, it's gonna be like renting games back in the day, I don't see the issueThe issue is that we end up back in a situation where you don't own your software and it will be permanently deleted at the publisher's discretion. Lock it behind a cloud service and not even piracy will be able to save it. Used games were a thing, and generally you got a busted case, often with no cover, and a scratched up disc. A used digital copy would be identical to a new digital copy, so there would be no reason for anyone to ever buy a new copy if there were used ones available. This isn't about trying to save you a couple dollars here and there, this is about preventing companies from destroying games, creating new incentives to do so is counterproductive.
>>737041006@PUTOS @FBI @IsraelDO SOMETHING
Holy shit this post should be updated to also include corpo bootlickersImagine buying a chair, but you need to sign in before using it, and only you can sit on it, and it's bolted down in your house when it's delivered so you can't move it or sell it, and then when Ikea decides that it's retiring the line, a guy come to your house and just takes it back>oh, but you didn't buy the chair, you don't really own it, you bought the privilege of sitting downYou will never be a billionaire, why defend their interests insted of your own?
>>737041067At least gabe still lets you download and play it even if he's still a jew about what else you can do with the license. Blizzard would rather shred your license entirely.
>>737041079>saaaaar why do you keep mentioning jeets??? saar wat do u mean I mess up my engrish?
>>737040881ThisVoting with your wallet would work if it weren't for only around 20% people having a soul with the rest being worthless NPC niggercattle.
>>737041067Gabe lets me play pirated games using his controller configurations tho. He xan think whatever he wants.
>>737040854>the biggest issue with copyright is that fight it is hard and only benefits the wealthy. no matter if you have proof that said shit was made way long ago by someone else.That's not something that's happened before. Clear cut evidence of something existing beforehand is enough to close a case.
>>737041109big madskg riled up you golems it's crazy
Why does owning what you paid for make amerimutts seethe so hard?
>>737041018>this happens because the corporate interests are threatened, so they try to drown everything outsays you with half of your posts here being nonsense with jeet this and jeet thatkys
>>737041114Yep, he's based. I blatantly add pirated games on my Steam Deck and he hasn't done shit.
>>737041094The irony of you making this post and posting that image is lost on you.
>>737041008I am also sure 4 out of those 5 multiplayer indie games are cool with giving out people enough support so they can host their own servers after the author decides to stop hosting his own servers for whatever reasons.
>>737041131>>737041137jeets seething because I called out the truth lmao
>>737041067jet set radio was officially pulled from steam but I can still play it because I bought it.
>>737040679Getting arrested for making jokes on social media like in the UK, and never-ending discussions about banning end-to-end encryption, see >>737040510
>>737041140I pirated the whole Etrian Odyssey collection and my 8bitdo controller wasn't working.Then I added it to run on Steam and it fucking works like magic.
>>737041157this weird visceral reaction to anything that harms corporations in any capacity must be studied in a labtruly a fascinating specimen which is factually incapable of thinking about anything except sucking corporate dick, downright peculiar dare I say
>>737040716Caveat emptor has always been the motto of the corporation. "The customer is always right" is and has always been a lie.
>>737041185>SAAARA STOP>SARR STOP NOT FALLING FOR THE BAIT>PLLEASE SSZAARE BE A MAD AMERICAN>DO NOT SUPPORT SKG SSAAAAAAARyeah no. keep seething, pajeet.
love video gameshate JIDF
>>737041215>mutt implodesrip
>>737041227वह इसके झांसे में नहीं आ रहा है, बेवकूफ़।
>>737041175UK is not EU
>>737041219Stop beng anti-SKG right the fuck now!
>>737041175Didn't an americlap get jailed for making a "in minecraft" joke?
>>737041219If you're anti-JIDF, you're anti-US. We need to deport people like you, MAGA!
>>737041147Nya, but seems to be right as you pretend to be ignorant.
>>737038946>>737038948>>737038949>>737038959Just got to this part. It was quite cringe.
>>737041175The UK isn’t part of the EU. And unless you live in a shithole of a country your right for privacy is enshrined in your country‘s constitution so no matter what the EU wants, it won’t happen.
>>737041296ICE me baby one more time!
>>737041175>like in the UKwhich is not in the EUweird how mutts keep bringing this shit when picrel occurs on a daily basis, don't throw stones around when you live in a glass house yourself>and never-ending discussionsaka nothing ever happens
>>737041313>>737041313मूर्ख, कुत्ते जैसा गोलेम
>>737040510is this about chat control? enough member states and the EU parliament opposed it, so it did not go through. the EU parliament recently even declined to renew the regulation on scanning unencrypted messages for cp. american companies, of course, have said they will simply continue scanning.
>>737041297Yep, that's why you had to create a strawman to misconstrue the point much like a leftist.
>>737041337बिल्कुल सही, तुम उन्हें बताओ, भाई!
>>737041339>so mad had to double-quoteanon everything ok at home? we can talk about it
>>737041363which you guys have done like, what 4 times before?that was a good thing, but man they wont stop trying, even LATAM is fighting agains this lunacy
>>737041384किस बारे में बात करें, भाई?
>>737041384they cut adult diaper rations for the IDF again
I missed it. How did mold man do?
>>737041175Uk isnt EUAlso UK police stopped that because it was a waste of time with at most 2% of the arrested prosecuted.
>>737041403>which you guys have done like, what 4 times before?>https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/the-battle-over-chat-control-how-eu-governments-and-the-tech-lobby-are-trying-to-overturn-parliaments-vote-a-comprehensive-fact-check/>The US organisation Thorn, which sells scanning software to public authorities, invests hundreds of thousands of euros annually in EU lobbying.its americans who lobby for this crap in europesomewhere I read that the heritage foundation is also involved but I can't find it anymore
>>737041505He's scheduled to crash into the only tree for 3 miles then shoot himself three times in the back of the head with an automatic rifle that has illegal modifications.
>>737039919
>>737041505He did good. He had two speeches and performed them well.
I like how after that one guy started replying to the obvious shills in indian, they started to reply BACK to him in english, and then after that they shut the fuck up
>>737041581That would only be in his favor though?
So this is just going to end up being a way for Euro's to fleece American companies right? Because stealing from Americans has become the entire GDP of some EU counties at this point, and the hope that it will give an unfair advantage to the long dead EU videogame industry because of selective and disparate enforcement.
>>737038898That's technically already a thing since steam can't legally ban you for selling shit you own, but they're not obligated to help you facilitate the sale either.inb4>butIt's only illegal if charges are pressed.
>>737041367>no uI accept your concession.
>>737041642>ensuring that consumers keep access to what they paid for is fleecing American companiesI spent time solving a captcha just to reply to bait.
I hope they pull throughDo they have to draft a law now?
>>737041642>give an unfair advantage to the long dead EU videogame industry Weird, I was told it took millions and millions of dollars and years and years of development to provide EoS support. How are these EU companies affording such expensive things?
>>737041575they do the same in Latam
>>737041642thanks for the gibs
>>737041337>aka nothing ever happensuntil it happens
>>737039708It is funny that only people against EU these days are mutts and russians. Everyone else more than prefers an union that can fight corpos and mutt/russian influence.Well Europe does have right-wing parties that want out of EU(who are coincidentally funded by billionaires, usually from USA. Or USA allies like Musk(The GOOD kind of African immigrant in USA or something still bit confused about it when he does nothing but literally waste their tax dollars but he's very rich and owns the libs so I guess that is why he is so popular in muttland)).Anyway. I love how EU is actually protecting vidya. Literally nobody loses except the scummies corpos. Like even Nintendo majority of the time has some kind of eos plan for their always online stuff.
>>737041667Not really "no u" but thanks for proving my point.
>>737041642>end up being a way for Euro's to fleece American companies right?Its such a large market that American devs will likely follow to make it less of a hassle like how Australia enforced being able to refund games on valve.
>>737039029It's a mix of "people" (indians) paid by the publishers, and americans brainwashed by decades of corporate propaganda.Reminder that union busting is a billion dollar industry in the land of the "free".
>>737041642>So this is just going to end up being a way for Euro's to fleece American companies right?No, it's going to end up being a way for all companies to fleece consumers.
>>737041809हाँ, अमेरिका का ब्रेनवॉश हो चुका है और वह दुष्ट है!
>>737041702>https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/how-it-works_enyou can read about it herewe are currently at step 6
>>737041642>Hey man, just provide the means to continue playing the game people paid for once the official servers go downTHIS IS A THING MANY GAMES ALREADY DO AND HAVE DONE SINCE FUCKING UNREAL TOURNAMENT BACK IN THE FUCKING 90'S, AND YOU CAN STILL PLAY THOSE GAMES ONLINE VIA PRIVATE SERVERS; THE TOOLS FOR WHICH ARE PROVIDED VIA THE GAME ITSELF.YOU CAN STILL PLAY MOUNT & BLADE: WARBOND'S MULTIPLAYER TODAY VIA PRIVATE SERVERS, THE TOOLS FOR WHICH ARE PROVIDED WITH THE GAME ITSELF AND THAT GAME IS 2004 ERA EUROJANK, NOBODY IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING BRAND SPANKINGLY NEW; NOBODY IS ASKING FOR A GAME'S SERVERS TO BE KEPT ONLINE FOREVER. COMPANIES ARE MERELY BEING ASKED FOR A WAY TO KEEP PLAYING THE GAME YOU PAID FOR EVEN WHEN SERVERS SHUT DOWN. THIS ALREADY EXISTShttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2915930/Knockout_City__Private_Server_Edition/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/
>>737039024Owen of The Infinite Review and (even though /v/ will never forgive him for slandering their sacred cow) Matthewmatosis are the only two other ecelebs I believe are as genuine as Ross.And Owen hardly counts given no one fucking watches him
Please, have someone say they need to release cartridges we can UPDATE with the complete/fixed game or ISOS with digital we can burn and use in our consoles after the game is done updating/being supported, this would unironically kind of fix piracy and save physical mediaalso ban being forced to grind on ranked and not on private matches with your actual group of friends
>>737039579That's where you're wrong, capitalist pig boy.
>>737041840hey anon what's up with the big delay? was it a launch break or getting your anti-skg agenda update or something?anyway blink twice if you need help
>>737041849No one tell this cmon that almost every time in the 90s it was revived through fan efforts and that the crew was too.
>>737041849>guys you don't get it>You can cook a hot dog at home>This means your home kitchen can cook ANYTHING
>>737041796>Australia enforced being able to refund games on valve.iirc Gabe wanted that and was stopped, then that happened and he went "OH WELL ANYWAY"
>>737041861Why would the EU want to save physical media? They're the ones who did the no charger with new phones thing to "reduce e-waste". Physical media is effectively e-waste.
>>737041849You're making things up. I'm a 7 year veteran at Blizzard and I can tell you these things are literally impossible and would never happen in reality.
>>737041918भाई, तुम किससे बात कर रहे हो?क्या यह कोई अमेरिकी चाल है?
>>737041719If you plan for it from the beginning instead of implementing it onto a game designed against preservation it aint that bad.
>>737041952>>737041952>Why would the EU want to save physical media?because it would make the US mad
Why don’t we just kill all Americans?
>>737041978I agree anon, corporations should be fined and taxed, well at last we found some common ground
>>737041941You cant make this shit up
Can't wait for this to finally fail so you retarded kids will fuck off forever
>the retarded indians cannot tell the difference between a poster speaking english or hindi
>>737042017Yeah, it would definitely make the US who have been trying their hardest to erase physical media mad.
>>737042048Let's be honest, it'll succeed because it ultimately benefits slimy corporations.
>>737042048>>737042087>He's here
>>737042064Generative AI and LLMs were a mistake.
>>737042023not until they fuck off from military bases in europe and stop cockblocking european attempts at investing in their own joint domestic weapon programsit's free market until the mutt finds out you can have products from other countries huh
What games are y'all hoping to get private servers? I'd love to see destiny 1 and 2
btw, since we are here, a warning for Ameribros>>>/g/108608900
>>737042112"He" being?
>>737042128AI will get to where we can decompile older games and just make servers regardless of how laws are or are enforced
>>737042169You're saying that like people here care.
>>737039708>invaded by muslism and north africans>almost no nuclear reactors>almost no nuclear bombs>no common army>never defends the territory>can't solve issues with war/bombs (this would solve illegal migration)>won't lock up minor criminals, mentally ills, anarchics, islamists, communists, and everyone openly alligned with the enemy such as pro-pal, pro-russia and pro-iran>has mosquesEurope is doomed
>>737042169nobody cares about shit like that because it doesn't pass after people dogpile it.and if it does pass people will use AI to fudge it with millions of deepfakes.I intend on using Justin Trudeau in blackface to verify my age if I am ever forced to.
>>737040465But how do you know their practices beforehand if they don't disclose them?And how the fuck is it such an outlandish concept for you to OWN the things you paid for?
>>737039708The bottle caps are shit, though.>>737039779I hope so. Having this stuff just permanently wiped off the face od the earth is actually unacceptable since it is part of history of media/art.
>>737039201If it were just art, for the sake of art, then why ask for money?I'm fully and completely serious.An artist who only does art for its own sake uploads their work online for free, like many games on itch just like how one could paint a valley and then post it online. So why is it costly if it's just art?Now, the usual retort to this is>they have to eat food too!To which I'd reply with a call to look at the flash games era. People made various forms of art for absolutely zero dollars. They made it because they could. Because they wanted to do it, not because they wanted to ask money for it. Same with the modding scene for games in general or community hosted private servers.Now, if you want to SELL your art for money, you have to uphold responsibilities on a market, and if you abuse your customers then you should be subject to harsh questions from the authorities.
>>737042321>If it were just art, for the sake of art, then why ask for money?people buy art dude.a LOT of money is in art.
Hehe I hope they'll force all games to be open sourceIf the game is good, people will give the devs money either wayIf not, they deserve to starve
>>737042181I think it can help speed things up but you'd still have to do a LOT of adjustments by hand
>>737042362Oh I'm fully aware, but then it has expectations because money changed hands and not just art for the sake of art.
>>737042140Fallout 76Vermintide 2
>>737040741>Actually more government involvement is a good thing!bootlicker or communist.can't tell
>>737042241pity reply for your bait
>>737042398not as many as you would think, once you get used to it.in regards to code, its like hiring an incredibly fast intern.
>>737041289yea but posting threats and then adding 'in minecraft' was never going to workglowies aren't going to fall for that shit especially on 4chan of all places
>>737042376It would do wonders for AI training. Somebody tell altman, think of how many lakes we can drain off the training alone.
>>737042321>To which I'd reply with a call to look at the flash games era. People made various forms of art for absolutely zero dollars. They made it because they could. Because they wanted to do it, not because they wanted to ask money for it. Same with the modding scene for games in general or community hosted private servers.There's a difference between spending some of your free time doing it and doing it as a full time job. The Italians were sponsored by the Medicis too.
>>737042241>invaded by muslism and north africanscompared to Muttistan europe is a white ethnostate btw>almost no nuclear reactorsretard>almost no nuclear bombsretard>no common armyNATO + joint european programs in case drumpf actually TACOs out of the alliance or chimps out at grenland again (which is retarded if you think what will MIC ceos have to say about that, surely they will like losing one of the biggets importer of american weapons in the world)>never defends the territoryfirst of all that's what NATO is forsecond they seem to be doing just fine: TACO in greenland, TACO in airspace during the current ME chimpout, ziggers getting cubed at industrial scale at the eastern front, so what exactly are they not defending?>can't solve issues with war/bombswhat?>won't lock up minor criminalsretard>mentally illsretard>anarchicsretard>communistsretard>has mosquestrue if big>Europe is doomedwhy are mutts so concerned and obsessed over europe anyway? mind your own business golem
>>737037749The blonde host lady is cute.
>>737040443>he doesn't know the true purpose of SKG
>>737040065Some indie games already comply, because it actually costs nothing and you are victim of propaganda from lobbies (and also a retard).>>737040443Preservation is the whitest thing you can do.
>>737042447Nigger that's the purpose of the government: public organisations literally formed to serve public interest, why do you defend privately owned corporations who's only interest is profit? They're not your friend, you actual bootlicker.
>>737039201It’s AAA publishers who stopped treating games as art and made it a product to print infinite money. And once it’s a product it needs customer protections. The industry brought this upon themselves, the number of indie devs who even could be hurt by this is so small that it honestly doesn’t matter. I bet you couldn’t even name 10.
It is funny how all the third worlders (including the US here) started seething at Europe hard the last couple of months. Means that we're heading in the right direction.
>>737037749>third world poorfag commie temper tantrum
>>737042587अमेरिका बहुत बेवकूफ़ और पिछड़ा हुआ है।
>>737042241>and everyone openly alligned with the enemy such as pro-palWhatcha doin' rabbi?
>>737042140Monster Hunter 3DS
never a single reference to vhs or dvd so boomers on govt realize game companies literally sell you a copy and then next month they break into your house and destroy it.
I wonder if anything comes out if it or will they just propose a bandaid solution.Because what can they propose outside of "stop designing games with singleplayer components as always-online".
I love European Union, man.
>>737042462Its mainly a task of stamina yeah. I'd say it can depend on the project's goal in terms of accuracy.
>>737042498Least blinded europoor
>>737042524SKG = Skeletons Killing Games
>>737042686There were references to books for that purpose.
>>737039708free just means someone else is paying for it, fucktard. Your commie shitholes only exist because someone else allows them to, good thing that's changing as we speak
>>737040443>he doesn't know who's really winning if SKG passes
>>737042715no more than it normally would be as an experienced lead working with a larger inexperienced team.If you the reviewer are competent, it is still much faster.In a strange way, AI for coding is a good way to tell how competent someone is, based on if they can effectively use it or not.Not 100% the same skillset as if you were only a solo programmer, though
>>737042730>Monster Hunter 3DSDoes Pretendo not fulfill that?
>>737042728>doesn't address any of the pointsconcession accepted goymutt
>>737040018>Germany and france will follow italy for example where dental work isn't covered.It's never been covered afaik
>>737042686They referenced books instead.Which also led to the suggestion of a project gutenburg for video games.Imagine the likes of fortnite being immortalized as a historical record and public service lmao
>>737042241>no common armyDude, thankfully, we are not U.R.S.S. European version (Yet).
>>737042795>what? your nation is spending tax money on social programs, affordable health care and affordable quality schooling?!>NO NO NO NO! THEY SHOULD BE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON BOMBING THIRD WORLD NATIONS!!!
>>737042896>a project gutenburg for video games.DONT LET THE JAPANESE SEE THIS AAAAAAA
>>737040065>it encourages original ideas.Only in it's original iteration. Not the McDisney clusterfuck it is now.Original>you have ~20 years exclusivity to profit from your creation however you see fitNow>disney forever gets to decide that you can't draw 3 circles in a certain way without paying for their approval
>>737042795>free just means someone else is paying for ityes it's called taxes fucking retardwhen you don't spend hundreds of billions every year to bomb some middle east shithole you could actually achieve free healthcare and education you knowyou don't seethe when your taxes fund public roads but suddenly when it's education and healthcare for your kids and family it's bad? guess it's better to send a few more billions to israel just in case>Your commieretard, stop saying words you don't understand, uneducated mentally ill golem>good thing that's changing as we speakyeah, pack your shit and fuck off and your fat hands away from the european continent
>>737042927Actually they should be spending it on the elite so they can fuck our children like the forefathers intended.
>>737041792>doubling down after getting btfo'dKek, you love to see it
>>73704295120 years is too long now anyways.stuff moves faster compared to before.
>>737042930It's immoral until it becomes the law, at which point the Eternal Jap will defend it to its death.
>>737042927You are the third world, Pajeet.
>>737042686One MP actually brought up a modern car as an example>imagine that everytime you start a car, it has to connect to the manufacturer's server (which isn't as far-fetched as one might think) and when the server is down, you can no longer start a car
>>737042972>guess it's better to send a few more billions to israel just in caseEven funnier when you remember the taxes they send to Israel funds their healthcare
We should fleece American companies because Americans deserve it for pushing the whole world in to recessions.
>>7370430213rd? more like 9th
>>737043025WHICH IS VERY FUNNY, RIGHT VOLKSWAGEN?
>>737042972>i heckin love public education!! I want my children to learn everything about trannies and marxism!!>i heckin love public healthcare!! I pay for welfare niggers and single mothers' health, cuck me harder daddy gov!!
>>737043038Kinda based Israel to manipulate USA so they have free healthcare.
>>737042528>Preservation is the whitest thing you can do.Using preservation as an excuse to wrest control from others however is the most communistic thing you can do.After all, the game that sparked this has already been preserved through fan efforts like every since game it's happened to since the 90s.
>>737043119this guy can vote btw
>>737037749Holy fuck i missed it!
>>737043152Heavens preserve us
>>7370431191 in 4 american being illiterate suddenly feels a lot less far-fetched.
>>737042810>as an experienced lead working with a larger inexperienced team.Suppose thats a good way of perceiving it honestly. Wonder if this has been put to the test before.
>>737042867You didn't either. NATO doesn't count as common army. Territories are not defended if illegals can enter instead to get a drone surprise. Enjoy the niggers and being depended to russian and american gas for energy supply.Europe fell due to idiots like this. They think to love EU, yet they act like enemies.
>>737043151>After all, the game that sparked this has already been preserved through fan efforts like every since game it's happened to since the 90s.>You can fix it right? So stop hurting the mecaorps you filthy reds!This lawsuit is going to kill always online singleplayer games and in no world is that a bad thing
>>737043119Ignorance is bless.
>>737043119Why are you defending people who literally do not care for you in the slightest? You get nothing out of parroting the american 1%'s rhetoric.
>>737043025>even an mp uses false comparisonsAs a European I'm genuinely ashamed.
>>737043119>Nothing should improve because someone I don't like could hypothetically benefit.Less people need to have voting rights. Too many retards getting to vote is what caused all of this.
Why do Americans allow Israel to sap them of their taxpayers' money? I thought the US keeps losing money because they spent too much on their allies?What's so special about Israel? If all Jews die tomorrow it won't be any big loss.
>All the seething and shitposting ittSo I take it the hearing went well
>>737043212>This lawsuit is going to kill always online singleplayer games and in no world is that a bad thingIt won't by the way, SKG never addressed the idea of DRM at any point not knowing that was the actual problem in the first place.Did you even read their documents? The whole thing is a shamble.
>>737043225He could be a CEO one day if he works hard enough and he can't have the peasants rebel against him.
>>737043235False? If car manufacturers could get away with it, they would.
>>737043235>As a Europeanpost hand shitskin
it really is over for americans...
>>737043025Doesn't this happen already tho
>>737043301A physical object and a game aren't the same thing that's the main reason it isn't a apt comparison.
>>737043119>I love private education. I love only affording places that indoctrinate my children into marxism and not being able to relocate.>I love private healthcare, i love my issues being ignored because im not a single mother who will go into debt and get the company diversity taxcuts.
>>737043235anon is wrong it was about buying a new car and 2 o3 years later an the company just disables the software so the car doenst work anymore an you have to another one
>>737043268Religious reasons, the entire push for age verification is because Israel companies are the ones doing it for example,
>>737043281>It won't by the wayYes it will. DRM can be cracked. Games that dont install files locally cant be cracked....or preserved or owned in any way.
>>737043310The American fears the USB-C
>>737043203>NATO doesn't count as common armyuh yeah it literally does, it's a bunch of combined armies with somewhat common standards>Territories are not defended if illegals can enter instead to get a drone surprisewhat?>Enjoy the niggersyou can keep them>and being depended to russian and american gas for energy supplyalmost half is produced from renewable sources btw so stay mad retard>The EU as a whole had a dependency rate of 57.5% in 2020>Europe fell due to idiots like thiswhat happens in europe is none of your business
>>737043198It has by coders working with Claude.You can tell someone competent by how little they trust it, while still working with it (and producing decent code)The thing is, its apparently harder to read and break down someone else's code than it is to just write your own in your style.Never realized this since I was taught to break down code to learn it, but its a thing.So now the question may become: how well are modern programmers (and all of THEIR retardation) trained to actually read other people's code and understand what it does well enough to find mistakes?My guess is that older coders trained in older ways with more rigorous standards will be more likely to produce good results with AI acting as interns for them.
>>737043235ANON, cars having a sub for your audio, heating and going above 80km/hr is a thing that thye are patenting
>>737043359>Games that dont install files locally cant be crackedAnon, SKG isn't about games like that. You really didn't read a thing, did you.
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>>737043347>I want my children to learn everything about trannies and marxismthis is american education>I pay for me and my family not going bankrupt after one hospital visit
From what I watched it seems like the hearing went really well.Tons of people were actually saying that they either have played games or their children played games and they think this is a major issue.Literally every shill taking point has been BTFO, including the "muh boomers dont care about vidya".I can smell the dedicated_server.exe coming back bros.Ross won.Gamers won.
>>737043408>SKG isn't about games like that.....yes it is. That's the reason Crew became unplayable to begin with.Stop lying you fucking retard.
>>737043338You see, little zoomzoom, you used to be able to buy vidya gaems in boxes. The entire game on one (or several) discs, able to be installed and played offline. That's the expectation many of us grew up with, a physical piece of code encoded on a disc. They changed the distribution method, but it's still the same product.
>>737043165>>737043420tldr: it was an absolute echo chamber pretty much everyone sided with SKG
>>737037749Giving the government more power over stuff always works out well in the end.
>>737043490Yes, Corporations deserve zero rights.
>>737043235>As a EuropeanAny faggot that says this is a kike loving faggot, redditor or sandnigger. Sometimes all of the above.
God i hope this shit pass before PSO2 diesI hate SEGA so much and i want them to mold at the fact that they have to release the base game file for free
>>737043490Yeah! Let's give PRIVATELY OWNED corporations more unchecked power!
>>7370434831 old fart was about le protect the children but yeah
>>737043543in a pro SKG way or anti SKG way.
>>737043338They are when the physical object requires a digital service and digital license to function. That was entirely what right to repair was about.That said SKG is more about as aptly put- a right to ressurect.The car analogy, its about whethet you would be allowed to get the digital component fixed so the car can work again long after the company has stopped selling that model and that digital service.Is nobody allowed to drive a ford model T because ford stopped selling a ford model T?
>>737043557In a "I'm geriatric and don't understand what the issue is about" kind of way.
>>737043446Anon, The Crew installs files locally. Why do you think there's already a playable fan server? https://thecrewunlimited.com/home/I'm genuinely amazed at how ignorant you are that or you're just outright lying for some reason.There was never a need for SKG.
>>737043490How does corpo boot taste, anon?
>>737040229At least try to make it less obvious.
>>737043540Yeah! Let's give the government more unchecked power!
>COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE YOUR A COMMUNIST STOP TRYING TO REGULATE SHITTY PRACTICES BY US I MEAN GOOD PRACTICES BY OTHER GAME COMPANIES YOU COMMIE FUCK YOU COMMUNIST COMMIES COMMIEanti-skg shills are mentally ill
>>737043623How is that power unchecked exactly?
>>737043623Unchecked?This seems pretty checked.It really is over for americans.
>>737043557video at 12:11:00 select the english track
>12 hours
>>737043643>>737043645fags like you are why our governments have so much power over us. Fuckin faggots.
>>737043601>download cryptostealer add
Why can't we balance the rights of the people not to get screwed over by companies and the rights of companies to generate wealth? Why is it always have to be one or the other?
>>737043662It's one hour, the video time stamps are from when the hearing took place.
>>737040303>Why are muttgolems so enragedIt's not just muttgolems. Apparently a lot of Japs are also seething about stopkillinggames. I recently found them on twitter seething. Most likely Nintendo drones.
>>737043235>As a EuropeanNo european says this. But then I think this is bait.
Is Warcraft 3 Reforged applicable to the SKG case?Because it in fact was shutting down the original game, while replacing it with an inferior version, while I as the customer had no right to do anything about it.
>>737043745I always say Yuropoor insteadt. Polack
>>737043672>Endless whining about anyone trying to unfuck kikes raping you>Never comes with a solutionYour next post will be about how the other side is just as bad or something
>>737043380"Only" 57.5%. Yea, enjoy spending all those money in being dependent. You can't even understand I am not an amerimutt.How europe has fallen. Even simping for the illegals.
>>737043623Yes, because giving the unchecked power to the corporation is in fact fine and dandy.
Mold man really has come a long way
>>737043442>>737043483I surmised as much from all the agitated>muh government power is a bad thing!posts, good to know. Start updating your resumes, babel curryniggers
>>737043563A car is an objectSoftware is a recipeYou're a retard
I like this SKG nonsense because it's always>I don't want the government in my games if a game goes down the fan scene will pick up the slack like it always has>You're just a jew look at how the crew is dead and it'll never come back!>it a already back because of the fans>well what about cars!? They hade subs now>a google search says the subs aren't so much subs as much as they are trials and there's a one off payment to have it permanently>you're just a zoomzoom we had games physically on disc and nothing could take it away!>on consoles yes but again the fan scene picked up the slack for online games that went down>you're just pro corporation!>corporations stand to benefit more from this since it eliminates the grey area many consumers and fans made use of to fight corporationsAnd then it just loops as they choose a different target.
>>737043832>Babel MediaLMAO failed graduates of woke courses, of course.
>>737040179Usa usa usa usa usa
Tell me again why it's a bad thing?
>>737043483Don't give me hope. This means we could actually have laws passed and having us own our videogames(if we live in the EU that is). This means that companies won't be able to kill games with their always online DRM? Did we get on the good timeline again?
>>737043557he was talking about lootboxes, how they are gambling and how children should be protected from lootbox gambling. nothing really about SKG.but it would be funny if they not only save video games but also kill lootboxes at the same time
>>737043490SKG doesn't give magically more power to the government, retard.
>>737043710Whenever you don't abuse the government to get what you want, someone else will abuse it to screw you as hard as they can. The unfortunate conclusion of big government.
>>737043832Wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the E33 seethe. Ubishit must've been real angry to see one of their ex-employees do his own thing and succeed right after AssCreed Shadows failure.
>>737043758You can still play original Warcraft 3. It's just not the default pick.
>>737043601Please, read the fucking About section you illiterate nigger>yeah sure it's all right if I have to write my own server emulator and reverse engineer shit, every fag has programming and proper decryption skills to do that
>>737043823
>>737043672Yeah sure but how exactly is it unchecked? I bet the irony that you advocate for private corporations to buttfuck us is lost on you, too.
>>737043394>older coders trained in older waysThe further back you go the harder restraints were on them to be efficient so that would help though I feel it'd be a case by case basis cause dependent on the software they'd be probing would be written pretty differently. From what I've seen its usually the first part of reverse engineering thats the hard part rather than the re-implementation of it.
>>737043785Lets be honest eastern Europeans aren't real Europeans. You're ex-Russian.
>skg thread>already 450 posts in>too late to dab on corpo pedoratsfucking hell
>>737043918No, you can't. It immediately tries downloading the Reforged version. Even if you don't own Reforged, it'll just install the gimped Reforged build.
>>737043601>Why do you think there's already a playable fan server?Because Ubisoft made the game unplayable for all the people who bought it?>There was never a need for SKGSingleplayer game became unplayable because a corporate retard flipped a switch. That's a massive need for SKG.The real question is, why are you so upset about it?
>>737042140That only works for games released after it passes, maybe even games that start development after. Though there will probably be a wave of old games getting it since it is an inexpensive way to win goodwill.
>>737043847And the modern car is software sold and advertised as a product, but with the worst of both.
I can't tell if the american posters are underage, trolling, or genuinely don't know what a democratic process is.
veeti skypeen!
>>737044014>genuinely don't know what a democratic processA scam for the plebeians?
>>737043912More like the shills behind E33. You can shit on every single broken UE5 game ever but if you dare talk shit about E33 all hell breaks loose.
>>737043896Well too bad cause >>737041796
>>737043985You tell Battle.net client to launch offline and it won't use Reforged since that requires online and will go back to the classic client. You don't need blizzard online to connect online since the original supports lan and tunnel.
>>737043935I like how you're now opposing the idea of preservation for the sake of preservation just because it isn't being done by a company. In other words, you want more corporate control more than you want to save games.
>>737044014The latter.Americans are indoctrinated into a cult of exceptionalism at childhood.They have to swear to an oath of loyalty in school every day.
>>737043896If, and that’s a big if, legislation for the EU passes, it’s unlikely the benefits won’t be global.
>>737043884>somehow, mandating an EOL patch means that the corporations actually have more power to fuck private serversI don't want fans to need to pick up the slack. I want professionals to be paid to do it.
>>737043490its more about Consumer protection laws that are already around and how they effect games.
>>737044007>The modern car is software NoThe modern car contains software That does not make a car software This is the kind of thing a toddler understands
>>737044014they live in a plutocracy. how could they possibly know anything about democratic processes?
>>737044207Retard.
>>737043884The government already created the problem through creating copyright and other restrictions to the modification of the software on our computers, why shouldn't they solve it as well? Not every game that goes offline gets this support from fans, and why should they even have to? They bought the game.
>>737044207Its hardware is a shell unusable without the software more and more.
>>737043894Because it's pretty poorly thought out, as it is companies can easily continue to do what their doing. In fact, the could just make a re-release and force people to rebuy the game outright since the objective is to keep games alive in some form not so much people's specific purchases.In other words they could just go>hey we're killing this version but we had a new version that's the exact same for 40 bucks and it's "offline" (for certain features) And then repeat and it would be abiding by SKG.
>>737044182Anon no part of SKG implies devs will be paid for any of thisIn fact if you have a brain in your skull you'd know that the EOS implementations would only ever happen once the devs can't be paid
>>737044293Define what's so "poorly thought out" about their "solution"Because I can tell you don't know jack shit.
>>737044262>It's hardware Hey buddy you'll never believe this but hardware is a physical object and software is a set of instructions and you have brain problems
>>737043884>I don't want the government in my games if a game goes down the fan scene will pick up the slack like it always has>I dont eant the game to go down at a corporation's behest in the first place. I paid money for it>NO YOU CANT DO THAT THINK ABOUT THE POOR CORPORATIONS!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!I love watching you corporate subversives lose your shit.
>>737044253I'm going to stop you there because copyright wouldn't necessarily prevent DRM and hardware and software can be modified privately.>Not every game that goes offline gets this support from fansYou'd be hard pressed to find one that doesn't.
>>737043998lets hope
>>737040492make your own non-gaas game or just find another hobby
>>737044331See >>737044293It's everything beyond>Because it's pretty poorly thought outThat you clearly didn't read.Why even reply to a post without even reading it?
>>737038114He looks like he aged 10 years holy shit
>>737043998>Bro once this passes dead companies and giant megacorpos will spend money hiring people to refactor old games so I can have free shit!You're delusional.
>>737040492we see the future of that, Gamers aren't ALL sheeps, most of them become concord because why would they bother investing in another shit.it's the same with subscriptions, and it was the same for Service games.
>>737044415the mold maketh the man
>>737044415it has been 10 years
>>737044415He looks like the dude from Mask
>>737044408Anon, you didn't even watch their presentation, you just though of some shit and shat out of your mouth.
>>737043903There was also another MP who painted a much clearer picture.>I have three kids that are avid gamers and play 20-40 € for a game + additional money for cosmetics. When the game shuts down and the publisher disallows further access, that money goes to waste and from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.
>>737044331Oh and alternatively they could also just sell an EOL patch for like a year or two, stop selling it and the re-release the game and do it all over again.And people like you would most likely buy it going>wow they're such good guys for supporting the game I like!
>>737044493Go play with your strawmans in the corner by yourself, adults are talking here.
>>737044485Oh I watched the entire thing.It's just that I have the ability to think while you only follow.
>>737043442>Tons of people were actually saying that they either have played games or their children played games and they think this is a major issue.I used to hate the EU but honestly, it's the lesser evil, at least our entire system isn't made out of fucking geriatrics.
>>737044547Incredible display of american posting.
>>737044542That's not a strawman by the way because it's not your argument I'm misreperesenting I'm presenting a very possible thing that could happen under the demands of SKG.If you want people to take you seriously, use a dictionary.Properly.
>>737044170They will be global. Apple also thought the EU regulations will not be global, until they realized this means they can no longer sell IPhones in Europe. Which means a garganutan financial loss.
>>737044547Anon you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.These are tech illiterates that can't think a step beyond their immediate demand. Over and over people have said "X demand entails Y because of how software works" only to be met with "We're not asking for Y! We're asking for X!"
>>737044493>sell an EOL patchNo, that's not how this works. You don't get to demand more money to do something the law mandates. This is an asinine concern. Imagine if the government demanded you stop sucking cocks, and you tried to charge per cock you refused.
>>737044571They really are corporate cattle
>>737044571I'm european but hey whatever floats your boat, pretend I'm Ethiopian or japanese whatever you want but at the end of the day you're still just plugging your ears and playing into the hands of a corporation.
>>737044170https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
>>737044131The fucking strawman. Meds. NowOr hey, explain how did you come up with the conclusion I oppose this endeavor from my post>took almost 2 years to set up functional fan servers of hard detective work and engineering, god-forbid if there was any kind of layered programming obfuscation on top>that's okay, let companies do that again and again, let them fuck customers in the ass while destroying the vidya that's only kinda undone by titanic effort, no need for SKG
>>737044661>you don't understand, the corporation WANTS to be regulatedSee>>737044647
>>737044596>a very possible thing that could happenSo you're not arguing what SKG is actually demanding for, you're arguing a hypothetical you came up with in your head. That's the definition of a strawman
>>737044647>You don't get to demand more money to do something the law mandates.So you didn't watch the presentation, because they don't cover anything like that you know. Hell Megaman X Dive if I remember right was one of the games they used as an example of "good" support and it was just selling them the game rather than patching the original, you can't even bring your save over from the mobile version.None of you ever think about these things.
>>737043025>>737043235
>>737043823For fuck sake for just one time all he had to do was shave off the beard, wash his hair and put it in a ponytail.Who the fuck will take him seriously when he looks like an alien believing conspiracy nut.
MOLD
>>737044816he looks fine, like a political revolutionary. Probably the lenin beard
>>737044761X Dive was released in a pre-SKG world. You can't demand a fee for a patch that you are mandated by law to produce for all your consumers. That's insane, and would get you sued to shit for patently malicious compliance.
>>737044710I basically gave you the definition of what a strawman is in that it's purposely misrepresenting your argument. Presenting a possible hypothetical is just a hypothetical, not a strawman.Like I said, use a dictionary.
>>737044915>Presenting a hypothetical (I came up with) of what SKG will get is not a strawman of what SKG actually wants and is fighting forThread's past bump limit yet you insist on being a subversive corporate rat. For shame.
>>737044816Silence runt.Ross talks because Gordon Freeman can't.
>>737044170>it’s unlikely the benefits won’t be globalLOL look at what Trump is doing. Look at the USA government. Whanna bet that they will oppose this being a thing in the USA? If this becomes a lw it will be only for Europeans. Everyone else will keep getting fucked in the ass since the world is splintering. I guess Canada and Australia could benefit from SKG too but the USA is owned by the techbros right now so they will never let Americans own their videogames.
>>737044914>You can't demand a fee for a patch that you are mandated by law to produce for all your consumers. That's insaneYes, it is insane.But no one considered that being forced to make it doesn't mean being forced to provide it for free.Look, you need to treat the government and corporations like a genie, you could ask for something simple but they'll always give it to you in the worst way possible.>and would get you sued to shit for patently malicious compliance.Malicious compliance isn't something you can sue for nor would it technically be malicious. It would be 100% compliant just in a way you don't like.
>>737045118It'll be a hell of a thing to try to sell a "Europe only" version of a game and not just having those files be downloaded by americans after EOL
>>737044761>>737044914The proposal, as it currently stands (it's very loose by design), says that selling the game is fine, as long as mobile owners get the game for free. They don't even need to transfer save files, just leave the game in a playable state.
what the fuck did I miss? has the mold reach critical mass?
>>737045137>But no one considered that being forced to make it doesn't mean being forced to provide it for free.Because that's a given. That patch is be compliant with the law that a purchased product must remain playable after EoS.
so for example Nintendo turning off splatoon 1 servers would be unaffected by this because there is a story mode?
>>737045094>We're not unreasonable, we just want all games from now on to be developed in this one specific way
>>737044816The beard looks fine, but he could do something about the hair, yeah.
>>737045269 Yes, that's a very reasonable claim, Anon.All cars now have airbags and seatbelts.
>>737045137Yes, explicitly, if you have to give a customer EoL for the product they purchased, you can't then make it a NEW product they are mandated to purchase. That is flagrantly against the the compensation of the original purchase price, and would not be legal.>it would be 100% compliantAgain, if I have a law that I must serve faggots like you equally in my cake shop, but I charge you double, you take me to court and win. I don't get to say "Well technically I served him!" when the law explicitly outlines the service standards to be provided. The EoL is to be given to people who purchased the game. You can't make it a charge, or else it isn't being given to people who purchased the game. It's being extracted from them.
>>737045163I mean, America's loss, Europe's gain.Name 5 games made in the US in last 5 years that were any good anyway>oh, no I can't play Starfield anymore!
>>737045269>developed in this one specific wayYes. No more planned kill switches.>No you dont understand you're FORCING the devs to not fuck you over! That's bad!lol.lmao.
>>737045118There are almost as many gamers in the EU as the total population of the USA. You know why you can charge your phone with USB C? That's the EU.
>>737045285No anon those are features not the core design stackYou people really suck at analogies A better one would be that you're banning orchestra pieces, all music must be playable by 4 people
>>737045272would it look shitty if he gelled his hair back or would it be slick like a yakuza boss?
>>737045265Yes. The game according to the proposal needs to be 'reasonably playable', and a story mode falls under that umbrella.
>>737045050>Presenting a hypothetical (I came up with) of what SKG will get is not a strawman of what SKG actually wants and is fighting forYou're right, it isn't because it's a hypothetical based on a complete understanding of SKG is that doesn't change what they're arguing.If I said SKG was about keeping the servers on for an unreasonably long time and that's wrong then that would be a strawman because that's not what SKG is about. It would be me trying to make it sound incredibly unreasonable.In reality I agree with SKG but I don't like how they didn't consider the possibilities of companies abusing what they're attempting to change because they're clearly under the impression that their outcome is the only outcome.But all of this is flying over your head because you're a sheep, you lack the ability to think on this level.
>>737045269Yes?Because currently, the publishers develop games in a way that only benefits THEM and there is no reason for it.Explain to me why a singleplayer component of the game has to be online-only.
>>737045269>images (19) (30)Fucking lmao why is it always you vermin
>>737045368Anon, you really should just go jerk yourself off in the corner with your strawman.
>>737045269>wanting games to be games and not services is unreasonable
>>737045368Anon, we just want the sheet music. If we can't cobble together the orchestra it's on us, but we want the option.
THE BALDIES WILL PREVAIL
>>737045260>That patch is be compliant with the law that a purchased product must remain playable after EoS.Exactly.And a paid patch achieves that just as much as a free one. If this law includes "with no additional purchase" then they would be legally forced to provide it for free.
>>737044014>I can't tell if the american posters are underage, trolling, or genuinely don't know what a democratic process is.
>>737045269Yes, I'd like the construction companies to not plan and develop houses with dangerous materials.It's not unreasonable to uphold companies to a standard to simply not pick something that's harmful for the customer. Just like how vehicles have to be designed around safety measures.
>>737045449But that's wrong, anon. You don't understand how any of this works.
>>737045385Your "Complete understanding" relies on a fundamental misunderstanding of what is being asked. You cannot both mandate an EoL plan for anyone that has purchased the game, and then also make that mandated EoL plan a fee, because then it isn't FOR the people that purchased the game, the people that PURCHASED the game in that example would have had to have been owed nothing legally.
>>737045548You don't understand anythingYou should just leave.
>>737045385Companies gaming the system by shutting down multiplayer servers and only providing story mode is still infinitely preferable to what we have today.
>>737045513>Turning off servers is DANGEROUS IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUEYou know you're being a moron
>>737045548No, that's exactly how this works. I want a server with a big 0/32 that I could fill with 32 people or 4 people and walk around doing nothing of consequence. That game is playable after EoL.
>>737041136It's literally part of their religion that only jews can own things
>>737045613misrepresentation only makes you look dumber than you already are
>>737045576I understand far better than youBecause you don't want to understand You want to masturbate and feel like you're part of something You're not
>>737045385>it's a hypothetical based on a complete understanding of SKG is that doesn't change what they're arguing.You're arguing SKG is stupid and everyone should give up.on it because Corpos will sell you a solution to the problem when SKG is about stopping the the problem at the source>you lack the ability to think on this levelLol you're arguing against your own interests and presenting the very premise of SKG in a wrong light because you cant stand your beloved megacorps getting put in their place. You are vermin in the truest sense. This is all you know.
>>737045513lead means no electromagnetic govt surveillance. so bad
Boomer saying to ban p2w,
>>737045613Did you miss the point of restructuring development plans for a specific purpose intentionally?
>>737045269If you're engaging in a money transaction you have responsibilities yeah. Just like you already can't infringe on copyright.
I don't know why corpofags are so against this. To me if your game has an expiration date it devalues the product and I'm only willing to purchase it at a steep discount or just not buy it. If I know I'll be able to still play it in ten years then I'd be more willing to fork over some cash.
>>737045301>Again, if I have a law that I must serve faggots like you equally in my cake shop, but I charge you double, you take me to court and win.See that's because you would be breaking the law you're not serving people equally.The current law they're trying to get passed for SKG only says that the game should remain playable, not how she not without an original purchase meaning charging wouldn't be breaking the law.
>>737045674You don't understand shit.
>>737045509>And a paid patch achieves that just as much as a free oneNope. SKG demanda the unpatched game.should br playable. Your paid patch can add extra shit, but if the original game is not playable without it, that violates SKG.
>>737045509No, it doesn't. Because the initiative demands EoL for current users, not future fee-extracted users. It is explicitly against the stated goals and guidelines of the initiative.
I hope Gaming just blows up
>>737037749Its going well. Pass that shit and bring back golden days of dedicated servers. Now we need EU to resurrect windows 7 (or windows XP)and we are going home bros.
reminder the industry already did it once
>>737045652Indeed it does! Misrepresenting skg as some kind of public health crusade is quite embarrassing.
>>737040065Thats why new content of cinema and videogames is 80% remasters or remakes of the same concepts over and over again
>>737045269>>737045368>You can take weights off the rack and people aren't allowed to get in your space and mess with you, because that wouldn't be safe>Everyone is getting upset that you are gathering all the weights and then just dropping the weights on the floor around you when you're done with them, please rack the weights when you are done with them so that people can keep using them and so that you don't damage equipmentWHAT THE HELL?! I'M EXPECTED TO JUST KEEP HOLDING THE WEIGHTS FOREVER?!
>>737045732It says it should remain playable for all current customers that bought the game. The extra EoL pack explicitly breaks that rule.
>>737045695I wonder how this would affect the gacha business
>>737045818Pretty sure he is specifically asking to fuck gacha, like he's just using this opportunity to voice his absolute hatred for gachacels.
>>737045801>Gymbro desperately tries to figure out what an analogy isMaybe the fact that you need these terrible analogies to try to understand these concepts is a sign that you're lost.
>>737045884Why are you fat and stupid?
>>737045376I say there's hidden potential
>>737045726Because this gives their game potential value when sold to private equity or another company. Their consumers are on the hook, so the person now holding the line can decide to cut the consumers off or ransom features.This is already happening in the sharthome market and people who bought an appliance need to deal with new terms of service that include monthly subscriptions.
>>737045912Looks like I struck a nerve :^)
>>737045726They're modern day cultists. There's no reason for them to scream.and cry for the poor corporation's bottom line, yet they do it anyway. Half of them dont even get paid for this like the babeljeets do, they do for fucking free
>>737045940you've been striking your dick this entire time Anon, that's not news
>>737040701>our greatest weapon, the grey area.The same grey area corporate has been exploiting to fuck us in the ass for the last 2 decades? That grey area? lol jeet>>737040716That's a very common misconception, but it suits corporate just fine because it makes the cattle think they have power. The actual quote is about the costumer always having the right to go elsewhere.
>>737045726Planned obsolesce is one of the biggest capitalism "features" and the current meta
I'll shit on people saying shit like>only bad games die>you just want to preserve bad gamesYes, I want bad games to be preserved and playable as well, so that history doesn't repeat itself, so that future generations get to see the likes of Concord and realize just how fucking dogshit they were.Without any tangible proof, this would just give companies the chance to rewrite history by claiming their games were always great and the problem was entitled customers.
>>737045854I would bow to brussel imperialism if they get every single gacha, battle pass, cosmetic etc seller banned
>>737045676>You're arguing SKG is stupid and everyone should give upNow THIS is a strawman.
>>737045763EU is going full Linux. Frogs and Krauts are already switching their government employees to some flavour of Linux.
>>737045778Oy vey anon, that's antisemitic, shut it down!
>>737046001it should be punishable with death penalty
>>737045973his dick is definitely on strike, since he gets no pussy
>>737045676Nigger he literally said he agrees with SKG just not how they're doing it. That's not being against it, it's saying they haven't considered every avenue. Why in the ever loving fuck would you complain about strawmanning and then immediately proceed to strawman when you don't have an argument?
>>737046015I genuinely want Concord to revive so that I can have a 5v5 Bazz only match with my /v/ros.
>>737046001Hilariously, this is illegal in the EU.
I liked that one MP from Netherlands (?) that kept throwing vidya references into her speech. It was cute.
>>737045573>You cannot both mandate an EoL plan for anyone that has purchased the game, and then also make that mandated EoL plan a feeYes, yes you can because there's nothing saying that an EOL plan can't be a paid purchase.>because then it isn't FOR the people that purchased the gameOf course it is, it's an additional purchase that only works with the game you bought, it would only be for the people who have already paid for it.
I think one of the most important points made was when the guy highlighted that the "physical copies" of the videogames are in fact not physical at all, and are merely access to the publishers online servers and in reality have not benefitted from consumer protection for physical media.
THEY ARE TALKING LISTEN RIGHT NOWNEW THREAD NOWWW
>>737046213Think thats literally been done
>>737046218Only in France at the moment.
>>737045269>what do you mean all cars have to have this "airbag" thing?you are a corpo rat
>>737046246>THE PARLIAMENT IS FULL OF GERIATRIC BOOMERS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT A VIDEO GAME IS, IT WILL BE LAUGHED OUTMeanwhile:>Netherlands autist>Mount & Blade guy>"I don't play vidya, but my kids do" x2
>>737046218It may be illegal but how are you going to stop companies from agreeing to no longer research improvements to lightbulbs for example?
>>737046312>because there's nothing sayingExcept the fact that they have explicitly said that the EoL must be usable by the people that have purchased the game. If you are selling it to them, it's not usable by the people that have purchased the game. The game's purchase has been effectively invalidated, now the new purchase is the only thing that gives access to the game. This is obviously directly against the prospective law. If a corporation tries this line of reasoning, they'll simply be sued with these same arguments.
>>737046419Also, the Polish MP guy is also a gamer, he just tried to be cool about it.
>>737046424It's called "if you don't someone else will" and it's the entire reason companies have R&D to begin with.
>>737045695fantastic take, here's hoping this sentiment is more spread
>>737046543He was also pushing for age verification IIRC
>>737046312>because there's nothing saying that an EOL plan can't be a paid purchase.Yes there is, the purchased game must remain playable after eos. An EoS patch is one way of achieving that.Therefore, it must be free because the customer has paid for the base game already. And double charging your customers for access to a product they paid for already is a crime in places with consumer protection laws.But of course you wouldnt know about that.
>>737046564can't be right all the time
>>737046624a relatively tame boomer take
>>737042546>why do you defend privately owned corporationsWhen did I do that?
>>737045818Not all gachas are pay2win
move here >>737046794
>>737046774>automatic protections for minersFinally!
>>737046793Name one that isnt.
>>737046564A fair price to pay, I accept the trade.
>>737046564EU age verification is different from what the US is doing. you can check it out herehttps://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui
>>737046774there are mechanisms in my country that enable me to be identified without actually sending any private information, through an edocument, a trusted profile etc. so if it works like that where a website says "prove you're 18+" and i use a goverment mechanism that only sends ", yes this persson is of age" then i'd be reluctantly understandingbut fuck providing my id to any fucking nigger corpo website that then sells my fucking data.
>>737044910Him looking like you doesn't mean it's fine.
>>737046930>so if it works like that where a website says "prove you're 18+" and i use a goverment mechanism that only sends ", yes this persson is of age" then i'd be reluctantly understandingThat's what the EU solution is doing. But even that is niggerlicious, there ARE already tools for parental control, the government has no right to step in to control this shit.
>>737045385>People will always find ways to circumvent the law so we shouldn't have laws in the first placeI understand your argument and even agree it's a possibility, but you should realize this is basically what you are saying.
>>737046931He doesn't look like me. I'm handsome and have a hot bf
>>737045916gave him the mafioso hairline huh. It actually does work
>>737045916>evil moldman>we need to kill all games
