>Itchie, a Japanese programmer and producer who previously worked at game companies like Square and SNK, empathized with gamers’ wish to see online games properly preserved after they end services, but suggested that it’s often not a viable choice for developers in terms of the additional work and cost involved. Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment. Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game. https://automaton-media.com/en/news/making-it-technically-work-and-making-it-actually-enjoyable-as-a-game-are-different-things-japanese-devs-weigh-in-on-why-retrofitting-live-service-games-with-offline-suppo/
I'm just glad that this is going to finally kill off live service games completely.
>>737120230>progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculationsNobody cares about those, don't use them, it's as shrimple as that
>>737120230>EU passes some gay bullshit laws like they always do>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesGreat going you fucking retards. Pirate Software may be a raging faggot nepobaby retard but he's 100% right about this.
why can't they just release the server source code
>>737120230Just stop making live service games.
>>737120349>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gameswtf I love the EU now?
>>737120230It's only a problem if you don't think about it from the get-go. If you know that there is a law to keep the game playable after EoS, you will take different architectural decisions.t. Software Engineer (not in game dev, but it's all the same shit)
>>737120349>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityGaming is healing.
>>737120297>Now Bungie will have to suffer Marathon flop forever Thank you SKG, very based
>>737120349Those are bad things?
>>737120230>but suggested that it’s often not a viable choice for developers in terms of the additional work and cost involved.not my problemit will be illegal not to therefore they will bend over and complycorpo suits have a special place in hell waiting for them
>cocksuckers not one minute into the thread already fellating industry kikes and convincing you that it's impossible to make online games work offlinebrown shills board
>>737120469>If you know that there is a law to keep the game playable after EoS, you will take different architectural decisions.No anon, you will make different business decisions.
>>737120492But how will we sell your data if we can't collect it!?
>>737120469This. SNK can go cry into their Saudi money pit.
>>737120469This. Just make sure that essential "mechanisms" are stored client-side and you're good. I don't see how that would be difficult if you're making a new game from the ground up.
>such as save file tampering>synchronization issues>data inconsistencies upon resuming the gameThey're just digging themselves deeper. I want to tamper with my save files.
>>737120563I can picture junior devs writing themselves into a corner and not being able to unfuck their architecture without a fuckton of work. But this was clearly not the case with Nier Reincarnation when fucking fans without access to the source code could bring it back.
>>737120230Yet there are games from smaller studios that did it anyway. Weird.
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityBased, stop killing games you fucking niggers>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesBASED, I paid for it, I don't see why they should be allowed to just take it down
>>737120469Not to mention there's always tools to develop and test locally so it's not like they're starting from scratch
>>737120349>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayeThat is 100% a good thing. I want that shit to go away. Make single player games and local multiplayer only or die.
>>737120230>The Devil himself just said hell isn't that bad anon, why don't you listen to him for a change?
>>737120230>retrofitting live-service games
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGSDogshit """genre""" that hasn't had a good entry in 30 years due to existing entirely as a financial model for retards and criminals>games with any online component like coopLocal co-op>or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityLet players self-host and bear the risk instead of having to put it in the hands of penny-pinching execs>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesJust release server binaries and say "Do it yourself lol"
>>737120230>retrofittingAlso>Europe law>Japanese devsStay in your lane (country).
>>737120349It's for new games not old X360 stuff.
>>737120230All this discussion just made me hate japs even more than I already sisHonorary aryan my ass
>>737120230>>737120349>>737120469Jesus Christ, just let people run their own servers after you are done milking them. It’s that easy.
>>737120230>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment.Amazing how Phantasy Star never had this issue
>>737120575there's no trees left to make these. lost technology for data hoarding
>>737121041Their loyalty to their corporations is unmatched. They will literally die for them - Karoshi. I would not work 1 minute overtime even if it means the death of my boss and his entire family.
>save file tamperingoh no!anyways
>>737120469this, also Ross has stated multiple times he's not worried about "retrofitting" old games, he wants to avoid this issue going forward
>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment. Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.If the company is dropping support for the game why would they give a shit about these things after leaving it to the players to deal with? Are they genuinely so terrified that they'll lose sales on monetization and newer games if players are allowed to create and host fun servers independently?
Why don't they just use AI to put the code on the computer
>why do you advocate for consumer rights? we do not do that in JAPANY>why do you want to play old games? we do not do that in JAPANY (except Dragon Quest III because it is our state religion)>why do you rent and mod games? we do not do that in JAPANY>why do you not spy on and enslave modders, like we do in JAPANY?
Japs have literally no room to speak on this matter. They would kill ANY game not just live service slop, just because they don't want people to play it anymore
>>737120978>company abandons games to private hosts after it flops >game becomes megahit on personal servers because people do tons of different and fun stuff instead of bland corporate nonsense Imagine the PR disaster, ABANDONED GAME BREAKS PLAYER RECORDS
>>737121116D-DOESN'T COUNT!!
>bootlicking country weighs inNot gonna read it.
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesUhhh hello? Based department?
>B-BUT SAVE FILE TAMPERING>B-BUT SYNCHRONIZATION ISSUES>B-BUT DATA INCONSISTENCIESholy fuck they're still buttmad about datel
>>737120230>additional cost and work involved>literally just letting the player create and host their own servers
>>737121116The online experience for this game was a joke. The single player offline game was the real game. If you connected online hackers were able to easily delete your character, and even if that didn't happen you'd just be playing with cheaters with fully kitted out hacked in gear. It wasn't until BlueBurst that they sort of figured this shit out.
>>737121354This is the biggest example. Monster Hunter are the best games ever made, and hole up to this day, yet not a single one prior to fucking world has ever been ported to modern platforms.
>>737120230>I can only make games if they’re easy to makeFuck off then.
>>737121041Japan is an dystopian country like many Asian countries are the difference is japan is 'west-aligned' (American cocksucker) so the practices aren't being called out.
>>737120349Natural Selection is what it is called.Also devs aren't expected to continue support, just so that those who bought the game can keep playing it or work with it, expenses and responsibility in context to post-support would fall on them and not the publisher.
>>737120349Do people really genuinely believe this?Currently, in a vague sense, game developers develop a seperate "application" that just sends data to/from the game on the users device to make an MMORPG or server-based multiplayer game. The application server side is responsible for storing info about the characters, their state and running the "base" version of the game that everyones "character" interacts with in an MMO.Making these games playable is literally as simple as releasing the server-side program once the game has come to an end forever. Its barely even an effort to "retrofit" anything into them, and even LESS of an effort to make the basic consideration that you'll need to release it someday after you have literally decided to sunset the game already. I genuinely challenge the motion that ANY game ever made would take more than 1 month of salaried effort from devs with access to the source code to get into a good playable state and thats assuming they were actually retarded and maliciously shit all over their code first to make it even harder to release.Anti-SKG posts are so stupid.
>>737121353Lol, should've made a better game before abandoning it then.
>>737120230>save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the gameOh no, a player may tamper with their game and accidentally break it in a way that may require rolling it back to a previous install, that's so much worse than developers intentionally breaking it in a way that can never be rolled back.
Prove you're not a cultist. Post some actual valid anti-SKG arguments.
Why is it even a debate to tell devs that, if they wish to close their game's servers, they should make it possible for fans to host their own servers to continue playing in a niche community?It's basic common sense and doesn't hurt the company whatsoever.
All their arguments boil down to>Not killing games would allow players to continue playing the game, without getting additional funds via monetization>This is bad for our business model which relies on never releasing competitive products
>>737120230>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environmentMost retarded and incompetent game developer ever.Literally had these features in Morrowind and you didn't need to even have Internet to play that.
>>737121464The private server for this game has more players than the real game ever had. That's the sad part.
>>737120230>retrofitting live-service gamesnot what SKG is asking for
>>737121583>Prove you're not a cultist. Post some actual valid anti-SKG arguments.SKG violates copyright law.
>>737120230>private servers are impossible, goy>just trust us
>>737121598>doesn't hurt the company whatsoeverPlayers playing shitfaggotgame 2 instead of the newly released shitfaggotgame 3, literally is eating into their potential sales and thus hurts the company.
>>737120230why are these people so retardedthese "online only" games literally only require a ping from the server, they could literally change a couple words to make the "server" anythingit's not that big of a deal and i don't know why people keep trying to make it out as something they need to take time to do, it isn't, all these online things are literally just pinging a server to get an "okay"it's not complicated to switch it from the server to whatever the fuck
>>737120230>Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locallyThat was never what they asked, get fucked jew.No wait he's japanse, they're so bad even jews fear them because they get outjew'd
>>737121693Then make the sequel an improvement to incentivize people to buy the new one...
What kind of phenomenon creates a society such as the Japanese one?Where people defend companies no matter how shitty their practices are? How does one come to the conclusion that you're wrong for wanting to keep playing a game you enjoy?
>>737120563They would only have to release the files after they take their own servers offline, meaning once the game no longer makes enough money for them to bother keeping it alive.
>>737120230If the game is functionally dead, who gives a fuck about save file tampering?These people are so fucking stupid. None of the shit he mentioned that "requires servers" actually fucking requires them. Games have had inventory systems and enemy ai since the goddamn SNES with no internet. At most, if you want to play shit multiplayer, it requires a host system or server. Which you could theoretically host locally, or outsource it, like what you can do with Rust.
>>737121753>Then make the sequel an improvement to incentivize people to buy the new one...That takes a lot of effort, when they can just kill shitfaggotgame 2 and force people to buy 3 regardless of it's quality.
>>737120230Square is the last company on my mind when I think of game preservation.
>>737120230Honestly the japanese should be left out of this discussion.They have nothing of value to contribute and they are literal decades behind when it comes to understanding how fans managed to revive massive games through backwards engineering.
>>737121693>oh no why can’t we keep pumping out garbage? It’s hurting the company.Not my problem
>>737120230>its literally impossible and will break the game>it costs as much as creating a new game>yet somehow some guy in his basement can do it in his free time
but vee told me that it is actually trivial to make these things work offline. you're telling me that the SKG commies are liars???
>>737120230hoooohhh... thank you wiseu yerrow man... I gradry own nothing and be happy... would not want disrespectu honorabu nippon slop deveroper...
>>737121583Devs have less access to your data if it's not on a server.More cheating can happen if everything is client-side and if it's server side when the game is functioning there still needs to be a refactor at end of life that the company might not have money or staff to do.
>>737121669I heard the same gay argument with Maxis and Simcity. Then they made the game work offline kek. Zero sympathy for game devs at this point. Getting rugpulled has been going on so long that the new law was overdue.
>>737120230this is such a nonsense response, i don't think this guy gave it any thought desu
>>737120349>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesGood. New games are full of fag jew nigger shit anyhow.
>>737121863That doesn't make sense, tranny
Why is there suddenly so much anti-Jap stuff on this board?
>>737121863>Not my problemWill be when you want to play the sequel and we 'accidentally' killed the previous game lmao.
>>737121895All of this is avoided if the devs simply state: "continue playing on private servers at your own risk!" for the handful that wish to do so.
>>737121882>Nooo its too hard to make players host a game server on their pc or connect to someone elses
>>737120230Or you just don't solve those problems and let the fans who run their own local servers solve them instead. No one is asking for businesses to be enslaved to their products. If your customers want to keep playing the game, all you need to do is give them the tools to do that. You don't need to so the work to make ot enjoyable, I promise you that if people loke your game enough to keep it going after EOS they will do that themselves as long as you give them the tools to do so.
But japan is wall-to-wall retro game stores. They can't be happy about games becoming a temporary service.
>>737121353>PR disasterEvery single game that has done this has developed a strong memory and legacy. Carmack releasing the Linux source codes for Doom and Doom 2 has produced a heritage unlike any other. Bethesda games have longevity because of their SDK releases letting players rip shit open and do what they want. Source games are fun but their longevity extended from private servers for multiplayer and modularity in singleplayer (and oftentimes, both at once!). More people talk about X-COM UFO Defense and XCOM 2 than they do any other titles because both of those games have dedicated modding tools, XCOM 2 has a full-on SDK.There's not a single game that lost PR from lifting the hood and letting players look inside.
>>737120230>such as save file tampering,yeah they own the game so they can do what they want with it
>>737121895They can simply release the server files so you can run your own server.
>>737120230>who previously worked at game companies like Square and SNK
>>737120230The shills are already seething about him
>>737121583it is a big ask to force devs to do this work so a fraction of players can play the game offline
>>737121895That's literally not dev's problem after EoS, though.
>>737121980not sure who you are quoting but I agree with them, it is hard to do that for a game that was designed around server connection
>>737121957>Why is there suddenly so much anti-Jap stuff on this board?>>>/v/ is a Steam board.
>>737122032>Theft is okay as long as it doesn't affect the majority of peopleInteresting argument, explains jewish behavior.
>>737121957Because a lot of Japanese gamers are glad that a fan project to resurrect a dead Nier game got shut down this week. A game that had no support and was canned.
>>737120349>EU passes some gay bullshit lawsThis part didn't even happen
>>737120230>Weebs will now go against SKG because grorious Nihon devs told them to
>>737120230>NOOO, WHITU PUGGU, UNDERSTAN>KIRR SWITCH IS ESSENTIAL FOR SERVICE
>>737121583Only one I can actually think of is this might result in a temporary exacerbation of filesizes as developers move further and further down the anti-compression extreme. "We left an entire SDK for perpetual multiplayer in the files! That takes a lot of space, you know!" or some bullshit. That's genuinely the only one I can actually see happening if SKG succeeds.
>>737122089how did counter strike do it in 1998 when devs cant do it in 2026
>>737121957Anons who haven't been blinded by anime and the utopic worlds they portray have noticed that japs are all corpo puppets.
>>737121483Capcom reasoning is "outdated infrastructure" but they have Frontier, which is a retrofitted Dos with a shitload of upgrades, that they could use as a base for the online part of PSP gamesNo clue why they just don't dump the project to newbie devs and cash in nostalgiafagsi'd rather have one single game with all oldgen gimmick and monsters, seems easier for them since they'll have to rewrite it from scratch
>>737122032Then don't make the game reliant on their own proprietary servers in the first place. Let the tiny amount of people just use private servers if they wish to from day one.What's the problem? cuz you can't nickel-and-dime them with a shop that lets kids abuse their parent's credit cards without oversight?
The user servers are always more fun, like in cs 1.6 or wow
>>737122010that's an even bigger security risk for their current games. they don't just toss those things after EoS, they repurpose them for the sequel (and likely other games)
>>737122118He's still seething about EU fucking his precious corpos.
>>737122142Didn't you hear? Dedicated servers are a lost technology.
>>737121959I don’t play games like you trannies.
>>737121957Japanese gamers consistently side with mega-corporations acting malicious towards their own fans. It's really bizarre.
I just think it's funny that we managed to get these old fogeys to discuss video games in a serious manner. The societal need for eternal Super Mario.
>>737120349>t. haven't read the initiativespare us your "wisdom" in the future narc
>>737122097who are you quoting? no one is stealing anything
>>737120230How hard is it to implement unlimited gacha for $9.99
>>737120349>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesULTRA BASEDWE ARE FINALLY COMING HOME
>>737120349Please PLEASE try to actually know what SKG is before opening your mouth
>>737120349The poor billion dollar corporations!
>>737120230It's not like companies was at one point in history completely capable of makings sdk's for private servers and lan p2p option of all their games..how could that even be possible to achieve....
>>737120349>because they will have to support the game in perpetuityWhy does this bullshit argument always get parroted?
>>737122256MGO1+2 are already back my friend. https://mgo2pc.com/portal/
>>737122163Frontier does give the impression of being held together by 15 years of monthly applied ductape, but there's no reason for them not to put MHFU, 3U and 4U on modern platforms. Even MHGU is leaving us now that the Switch 1 is on its way out.
>>737122131>>Weebs will now go against SKG because grorious Nihon devs told them toWell what do you think anime is?It's for mind controlling gaijins to think positively about japan.If you don't believe look it up online, video games and anime are PR tools for the japanese state.
>>737120230Sounds like the game was badly programmed if it requires everything to constantly be checked online. This wasn't a problem in 2005 why is it a problem now?Make your games better and there won't be a problem.
>>737122142counter strike isn't a live service game (mod?), retard.>>737122165yes, that is the problem. you should be honest if you think stop killing games actually means "i want to kill games I dislike"
lots of disinformation getting spreadit's as if there's some group interested in making people be against such a pro consumer action
>>737122253I wished they never implemented gacha vidya in the first place
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayergood way to moderate opinion of players in the games, no more le funny n word jokes or comments that could redpill the younger players. same as they want teenagers to not be able to access social media because they might get redpilled there too. if EU pushes something it is always to get more control over the opinion, never to help europeans.
This will surely cut down development times and make games cheaper like we all want
>>737122207sad but true
>>737121106Reminder OP's post is by some Japan nigger and they all scream this is illegal and theft and if a game dies it should stay dead.
>>737121880You don't understand, autists have the manpower of 1,000 men as long as it's some niche bullshit that only they care about.
>>737122181And? That's marketable. You make it once, give it a fancy brand name like "GAMECOMPANY'S SERVERTEK™" with a stupid logo, release it as its own software after Game 1 releases. Shit, justify your 600 man UI team's paychecks and get them to design a custom interface for it too. Game 2 comes out, and you can slap a logo on saying "SERVERTEK™ COMPATIBLE" and now you're already SKG-compliant and you have a neat feature for people who want private servers. Use some basic bitch documentation that tells the bare minimum so if anyone wants keys to the kingdom they need to experiment instead.The dev-side version has its own properties so that on "official" servers they phone home for the purpose of moderation but if players don't care about official servers, they use the private SERVERTEK™ servers that don't phone home and come with a nice big warning of "These are unofficial servers made by third parties, we are not responsible for what happens when you don't use official servers."
>>737122492they should hire autists to do this work then
>>737122340I could see it happening with pc down the road. Sometimes I buy an old game on steam and it just doesn't work unless I patch it.
Asians routinely violate the rights of Western individuals and rights holders, but the moment they feel one of THEIR GAMES is being "misused" they go nuts...
>>737122436Companies that can’t keep up will get filtered.
>>737122228>so how do you play a marios with another marios? If the mayreeo isn't controlled by the player does he still do things while you're not watching?
>>737122398counter strike is twenty something years old live service game
>>737120230>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an onlineRemember when that was impossible to do with pic related until one modder did it, and then EA decided it was actually possible to separate the game from online aspect? All these statements from the industry are different shades of bullshit you need to just ignore.
>experts weight in>they completely misconstrue what skg is actually asking for
>>737120230>ExpertsLol. Lmao even.
>>737120349>because they will have to support the game in perpetuitythats like, textbook example of having no idea what SKG is about cause its 100% not about that and never asked that
>>737122431You do realize that the market still has a desire for those games right? Megacorps might stop, but that just opens a ripe market for someone to swoop into. It's not hard to comply with these regulations.If you think these rich corporations are going to give up their cash cow over a couple thousand dollars a year, you are retarded.
>>737120230>jap sucking corporate overlord dickwhat else is new
>>737121880They just dont' want to admit they close the servers down because they are cutting costs and it's to stop spending money on the game.Spending money to make it work offline is counter-intuitive to that.
>>737122525The globalists are trying to kill off autists with transgenser stuff because they're too powerful when focused.
>>737122592You're just supposed to blindly believe whatever corporations say because they have more money and thus know better than you.
>>737122612It's literally just a former dev, he don't got a clue.
>>737120349don't worry, yuropoors have never heard of the monkey's paw curl, so they're completely oblivious to why they're retarded commie niggers and why their shit will bite them in the ass in unexpected (by them) waysjust enjoy watching them suffer and cry with the rest of us when it happens
If you put the noose on, you take it off before you kick the chair awayIf that sounds like too much bother, then don't put the noose on in the first placeThese devs want to talk like the noose's presence in the first place is something you shouldn't even think about
>>737122592no one is saying it's impossible, just that their is cost involved. SKG is forcing people to pay that cost
>>737121957>suddenlyit's mostly indians
>WE CAN'T DO THIS>ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PRESERVE THIS >Japs want to sell game again>Leech off of fans hard work because they lost the original source codehttps://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/09/final-fantasy-tactics-devs-had-to-lean-on-fans-to-recover-original-source-codeFucking lmao, they're always against until they want to sell it. THEN they start stealing from other people's work preserving the shit they should have kept intact
>>737120349no they won'tno he wasn'tyou're also gay and retarded and wrong
>>737122701the cost is negligible
>>737122350Frontier falls apart when there's too many people, but that's a limitation of the current server builds/hostI only "justify" them for MHFU since it never had online(not counting adhocparty)But as you said, for 3U/4U/GU there's no excuse other than being lazy since they had something done alreadyGU should get a S2 patch at some point, if i'm not mistaken they found some data about it while digging inside wilds switch 2 files
>>737122612it's almost like they have a vested interest in shutting it down so they can keep rugpulling people
>>737120297fpbp, the live disservice industry needs to die.
>>737122612>>they completely misconstrue what skg is actually asking forI'm shocked by the number of people doing this. There's a goddamn SKG site out there. Read what it says. A lot of people seem to have assumptions about what SKG is doing and act as if it's not clearly laid out on their site.
>Japan is one person
>>737122729the cost depends on the game
>>737122701Weird how small indie games manage to have private servers but somehow it's too expensive for AAA
>>737122010Do the big ball play and release the server files before you even release the game and STILL become a mega-hit game that makes so much 20 years later your garbage is still making money.
>>737122689Americans also said this about the Common Charger Directive btwWhat actually happened was that they complied instantly and Americans had to pay for it & they still don't get commons chargers lmao
>>737122780no, it really is negligible either way
>>737120230>Game reaches EOS>Move everything to be local in like a week of work max>Don't care that people can cheat because you ain't getting paid anymore anyway
>>737120230Well he's a moron. If you can't make a game enjoyable without live service slop you shouldn't be making games.Imagine if they turned off Dark Souls after stopping their servers. "noo, the game is simply not playable and fun without online functions"
>it wont le work without a serverthis is games for windows live tier bullshit
>>737122817SHUCKS
>>737120230>I empathize with you>However it's not in our interest to do it>So we won'tEvery publisher argument
This your fault for supporting GaaS and gachashit.I can smell the brown coming from this thread, since the majority of freemium-type games players are shitskins from third world countries.
>>737122701That is the cost of doing business. We do not let companies do whatever the fuck they want because it might cost them some money. Would you let chemical companies dump their waste in your water supply? Trucking companies run people over because they were in the way of the delivery and might slow them down? Fishermen eradicate the local fish?We have rules and regulations for good reason and it's about time these greedy game companies get some shit for all the horrible practices they've been doing for the past 2 decades.
>>737122592What's funny is that it all started with The Crew, which has an offline mode built in but they kept it disabled and killed the game instead.
>>737122639those games are mostly made by americans, this is why it doesn't bother the EU.
>devs have people constantly maintaining games they release by fixing bugs and compiling/releasing patches>but having these people make the game run offline or on private fan servers for their last update is TOO FARlmao what??? how is this a fucking argument?
>>737120349>MMORPGSDon't tell me you still play WoW in the current year, anon.
>>737120349Private servers and revivals exist for quite a few online only games like wow even conpletely dead and abandoned ones like battleforge. These can exist without the effort or inputs of the original ip holders. The only thing that usually kills these projects are developers being faggots and sending cease and desist letters
>You just want to keep old games forever and never make anything new again!Uhh based? Maybe I should support SKG
>>737122792no, that isn't weird and it isn't too expensive. you are either dumb or dishonest if you think price is the reason EA wants you to to deal with their servers>>737122948having games be server reliant is not a negative externality, that is the business model
What happens with games like Overwatch 1? Would it be required to be kept alive or is Overwatch 2 the same game just rebranded? Is it per SKU or per title?
>>737122910Yes, but apple still sells laptops using other types of charging mechanism for some reason.
i can smell the monkey paw, but seeing all the morons that cant makes me want to support it just so they can get raped by it just like with every retarded eu law
>>737122957>Ubishit is so fucking incompetent that it gives enough material to start an entire movement (and also they get sued)>Pirate Software is so unlikeable it gets people to to actually band together and get the required signaturesIt's so fucking funny tbdesu
>>737122948Couldn't have said it better.
>Journo article>Experts say:Enough of your jewish tricks
>>737123058how did the usb c thing rape anyone exactly?
>>737123047Overwatch 1 got merged into Overwatch 2. They're basically the same game. Like how PSO2 got merged into PSO2 NGS so its two games in one.
>>737122181i fail to see how this is a security risk at all. you still have to authenticate even if you know how the server works
>>737123087Ubisoft wasn't being incompetent, they were being malicious.They took away a game from paying customers because they were angry not enough people bought it.
>expert
>>737120297That's the hopeful outlook, cause what is going to stop developers pulling a PSO2 NGS?>new product they want you play instead is released>the old one is kept playable but not before some final updates to make it dogshitAnd Sega clearly only bothered to do any of this as an exploitable loophole to keep their countless collabs still usable in their next game.
>>737123058How do you think games worked before the internet became widespread? The only monkey paw here is developers have to start making PRODUCTS instead of services again.
>>737120230KEEEEEEEEK SKGDRONES IN SHAMBLES
>>737120349At this point this has to be a bait. They don't have to support anything nor revive dead servers. They have to provide tools for community servers to exist, that's it. Whoever hosts the server pays for it, not the companies. This shit has existed decades now.
>>737123128im sure you will say that when a newer better standard comes along but eu is still stuck with usb c
>>737123141Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
>>737120349>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesThat sounds actually based wtf
>>737123128These people would unironically argue against standard currency values and weights, saying that everyone should be have the "freedom" to mint their own money in whatever style they can manage.
Hard not to be an EU shill. They're the only body of government that does things for me.
>>737123058The only monkey paw is corporations finally being forced to make real video games again like in the 90s and 2000s and stop scamming people like a con artist.If that's a monkey's paw. Then sure. Go for it.
>>737121106They'd rather sit on their ip and do nothing with it for 20 years than to ever let anything compete with their products
>>737123128>>how did the usb c thing rape anyone exactly?>Innovation>Satus:>DestroyedYou cannot have magsafe on iPhones now.
>>737120230>introducing dedicated servers>something we had 20 years ago>is harder than gaymers thinkFuck off.
>SKG force publishers to add private servers to their games>Now neither Japan or the US release their games in YuropistanEurope is an irrelevant market anyways, it's mostly sadniggers buying PS5 and FIFA or whaterver semen slurping sport game is popular there.
I mean regardless of the level of traction it would only be a go forward expectation. Current and defunct games wouldn't be expected to.
>>737123223so you actually have no argument, gotcha
>>737120230The solution is to not make low effort live service games. It's not hard right? They used to do it.
>>737122436I'm sure if this doesn't pass games will go back to being 60 dollars, don't cost over 300 million to make and won't flop without 10 million sales.
>>737123268yeah really...>devs make good games again>BUT>devs can't scam gamers out of their money anymorewow what a disastrous outcome! lol
>>737120349>Pirate SoftwareHi Jason, thanks for the random self promo
>>737123232why not? so actual evil/malice can always have plausible deniability? fuck that
>>737123232...why not both, actually they usually come in a pair.
>>737123223>im sure you will say that when a newer better standard comes along but eu is still stuck with usb cNTA but before that the EU had a law requesting smartphone makers to use micro-usb, so moving to a newer standard isn't blocked with this.
>>737120230>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T ENJOY THIS GAME WITHOUT OUR MONETIZATION!!!!Wrong and gay.
>>737120230They should just be forced to release their full network code with source when the service ends so fans can run their own servers. Why must something so simple be hard? Fans are perfectly capable to jury rig code even if it had some issues. Beats having to reverse engineer it by a long shot
How many game modes exist nowadays that we take for granted originally started out as a mod or dedicated server? How many game genres, entire GENRES worth billions today, started as one guy's idea on a server he ran with his friends?
>>737122910anyone insane enough to resent this standardization really needs to go back couple of decades when proprietary was the norm. you had so many useless chargers and cables.
>>737123337NTA but the argument is that it impedes progress To make it analogous to SKG, imagine trying to make a game that connects to some generative AI server work locally
>>737123232The stupid part was that Ubisoft expected everyone to just bend over and take their malicious actions.
>>737123412We have strong enough priors for stupidity to be easily assumed. It's malice all the way by now.
>PLEASE DON'T SHUT DOWN MY GAAS FOREVER GAME SLOP>I PAID FOR IT>I PAID FOR THE SKINS>I PAID FOR THE GEMS>I PAID FOR THE UPGRADES>I PAID FOR THE ROLLS>I PAID FOR IT ALL>IT'S MINE>YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY MY ACCOUNT>MY WAIFUS>MY LIFE
>>737123461Tossing my cord drawer felt so liberating.
>>737123513Arguments: 0
>>737123487The problem is corporations are too close to competitors and too far from consumers.Basically unless you're a heartless bastard, you just get out-competed by the heartless bastards.
>>737123330>>Now neither Japan or the US release their games in YuropistanIt's simply a matter of calculating cost. I very much doubt anyone would just give up on the European market.
>>737123549Americans would rather be sent to the gulag than have corporations regulated for the good of the consumer. They can't even imagine that governments could exist to serve the people.
>>737120230The way I see it when it comes to preserving art and actionable hobbies the Japs see it completely different than Westerners or any other culture to begin with. Japanese have confucius and Shinto ways of life they follow which makes them adhere to certain beliefs. They hold more reverence for the artist, author and/or engineer over the creations themselves and that is confucius and Shintoism to a t. So it's no surprise they're so giga cucked when it comes to game preservation. They are the last ones that should have a seat at this conversation
>>737120230>Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.So don't implement it until you're going to shut the servers down.
>>737123378Some of that is just inflation. Salaries go up when cost of living goes up and games won't be getting cheaper without more pajeet outsourcing.
>>737120230So you think devs will maliciously comply and make the offline or private server mode shit for some reason or another?
>>737120349>Yet again Americans only get rights when the EU fights for them
>>737120349Kill yourself.
>>737123619>Japs never created anything of value but want to destroy everything so their slop can't be called out for being inferiorYeah that does sound like the japanese way of thinking
>>737123619...brother they are just the ultimate result of a top down feudal society, warlord say-peasant obey.
>>737120230How are any of these problems being brought up even a consideration AFTER the end of life the game? Oh no, save synchronization, what a tremendous problem for a piece of software you are trying to disable forever.
>>737123619>Japanese have confucius and Shinto ways of life they follow which makes them adhere to certain beliefs. They hold more reverence for the artist, author and/or engineer over the creations themselves and that is confucius and Shintoism to a tNo that's bullshit, their empire is build on stealing form the west just like the Chinese.
>>737123513You don't play or enjoy ANY online games with ANY kind of central server dependency?That seems like quite a claim, yet somehow there are people like that in every thread about this
>>737120230Translation.>We know our game is a bare-bones Carrot on a Stick designed to extract money from users and would be a shit game by any other metric so we dont want to make it offline so people can acualy play it wo all of the above bullshit and confirm this.
>>737122541Holy fucking shit for the thousandth time this is not what Stop Killing Games is about. They dont have to make their shit work forever, SKG is about right to repair so that publishers cant intentionally brick games then throw a fit about people unfucking them. Under Stop Killing Games proposed legislation, if a game losses support and say doesnt work with the current version of Windows, and nobody makes a patch for it thats fine, just make it so that if somebody were to want to fix the game they can so that the people that paid for it can still use it.Holy fucking shit /v/ is retarded. Do not comment on Stop Killing Games if you have not even read their FAQ.
>>737123695What could they do that couldn't be easily reversed or changed by the users after they start running a server?
>>737123057those support usb-c charging also, which makes adding an extra proprietary charging port fair game it seems
>>737123619There's also that the Japanese way of life is so painful that their games and entertainment are necessarily about buying and owning, not experiencing. It's where all the Gacha stuff comes from. They work so much that they don't have time to enjoy any of it, but they have the money to buy. And so owning is the biggest part of the hobby.
>>737120349>because they will have to support the game in perpetuityNo they won't. They just have to provide a way for it to be played offline or via private server. Games used to have LAN and direct modes by default until these faggots started forcing everything onto a centralized server (and making you fucking login to their website to even play single player games).>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesNo they won't. There's no chance it's going to be enforced retroactively.You are an industry shill faggot spreading misinformation.
I kinda support dedicated servers because I remember there was a humongous faggot who was hoarding the server files for some Marvelslop MMO for himself, not letting anyone other than his circle of friends to play the game.Something worse than a publisher not releasing the files for a dedicated server is some nigger, which for ego reasons, keeps them for himself.
>>737123695games becoming more expensive because of the increased costs or/and less games that this applies to in generaland thats assuming the eu doesnt smuggle its own bullshit into whatever law they decide on
>>737120230>Japanese
>>737120230Then make everything offline and add a multiplayer mode on top as side content
>>737123619That's true. Plus they have the luxury to just, you know, live alongside said artists. If I was chatting up Kaga at a café every weekend I wouldn't pirate his games.
>>737120230>4chan is communist nowyikes
>>737120230meanwhile, an entirely online game that is about to get shut down has said offline version is coming out this very year
>>737120230>save file tamperingLiterally not an issue. It's effectively a single player game at that point, or a "multiplayer with known buddies".>synchronization issues>data inconsistencies upon resuming the game"it works on my server but definitely won't work on yours!" is a retarded argument. Almost all modern servers run on Docker or reproducible virtual machines. Almost any consumer computer or laptop can run a bunch of servers at once. And you don't even need most servers/services.>but it's hard to change this!The law wouldn't be retroactive. Also, honest work is always harder than scams.
>>737123927>Communism is when good things happenI see. Are you sure you're not a communist?
>>737123909Should've posted about better series, then the japs wouldn't be threatened by him exposing their low effort slop for what it is
>>737123927Always has been. NAZBOL.
>>737121693This argument have always been bullshit, there are a fuckton of games that can be played "forever" that have sequels that did better sales wise. The devs just needs to make BETTER SEQUELS to actually compete with themselves and if they can't do that then how about they just keep updating the current game with DLC? There is literally no way an old game existing would make a new game existing a net-loss unless the new game is worse in comparison to the old game in every single way
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityThis would improve videogames and would give western AAA woke slop proper Korean Kino competition
>>737123927>refusing to get scammed now is being commieFuck off
>>737123892>Something worse than a publisher not releasing the files for a dedicated server is some nigger, which for ego reasons, keeps them for himself.Why would this happen if anyone can access them?
>>737120230Based japan is always correct
>>737120230>Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.Sounds like a (You) didnt manage the game enough
Europeans are all about preserving the past. Kind of weird how the Japanese don't care to do so since it's their stuff being preserved. Shit like this is why we have to steal art from shitholes to put in a museum.
>>737123989>Should've posted about better series, then the japs wouldn't be threatened by him exposing their low effort slop for what it isI only read the isekai clearly written for women and girls, because then I can watch a true sociopath at work, at least then it's all coherent.
>>737120230From what I've seen from the Japs the last few days I think it's safe to say they're fucking stupid and just making shit up to justify their stupid opinions.
>>737123927don't you have a street to shit on lmao
>>737123927>>4chan is communist nowCorrection>LiberalThis is pretty much another version of Don't Tread on Me
>>737123927>industry shill desperately calling something communist so right wingers will reject itAre you frightened you might have to make eleventy billion dollars instead of twelvety billion dollars?
>>737123908Then I simply won't buy them and their company will die, not my problem.
>>737120469This is 100% correct. Also it's not as impossible even now. Many games are developed in a way where the developers run locally hosted game servers with 3rd party services (payments, etc.) removed or run game servers in easily reproducible and well documented test environments such as remote docker containers which you'd be able to run on almost any PC.t. another Software Engineer
>>737121106This holy shit, hearing them it sounds like it's some herculean impossible task with 3 billions parameters. Like how hard is it to put the server code on github once you want to stop running the game?
>>737124130That should be your first telltale sign that it's not real japanese people posting these things.
>>737120230Realistically there are 2 ways of handling this from a developer standpoint, either put some effort into it and try to make it work, ideally early on start thinking about what happens when the game flops or reaches EoS so you have a one click update ready when that happens. The other way is to simply abandon the project and leave it in the hands of the community. The funny thing is that for games that matter there are always some autists ready to do the work for you and keep the game alive, you don't even need SKG laws, if game companies weren't greedy litigious kikes SKG wouldn't even be a thing. As for this whole EU parliment thing, watch as it ends with nothing more than a mandatory disclaimer for games with an online component while they use the opportunity to sneak in some dystopian shit like mandatory ID to play online.
>>737123218>They have to provide tools for community servers to exist, that's it.And we don't fucking want to do it, and we're not gonna do it, simply put. Under any circumstances. It's that simple.
>>737124145this is about getting on your knees and begging the government to tread on game devs
>>737121693Practice has shown previous games always retain a fraction of the player base UNLESS you really fucked up the new one. Of course, this was before live service games took over the industry.
>>737124157oh you aren't even hiding the commie bit now
>>737124094>Europeans are all about preserving the past.This. Mutts and Japs just don't have the perspective we do.
>>737120230>save file tampering being an issue for an offline single player gamewow really grasping for straws hereanywayCapcom could do it with X DiveNintendo could do it with Animal CrossingEvery single mobileslop game could have an offline version instead of getting nuked there is no excuse
>>737124197Why, pray tell, should we prioritize corporations' rights to tread on citizens over the citizens' welbeing? Fucking bootlicker.
>>737123991>Always has been. NAZBOL.Commies are filthy subhumans that never belonged hereFYI I'm not agreeing with that faggot shill. Stop Killing Games is based.
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityI don’t get it. Where’s the bad news in them killing normalfag games that only normgroids play and care about?
>>737121583The only valid complaint I can come up with is the risk of pushing bigger devs to go full on subscription for their games, like a sort of publisher subscription and that somehow not bankrupting them.I however don't think they'll ever be able to make that work hence it is a very minor risk.
>>737120230Ironically Vtubers shilling for PC for japanese audience started working the moment japs realized how many older games you could play as PC ports.
>>737120349This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Nobody's forcing anyone to reassign developers to games from 20 years ago, and devs/ publishers are not going to abandon lucrative genres just because they have to plan for end-of-support periods, you complete fool.
>>737124160>easily reproducible and well documented test environments such as remote docker containersYou're overestimating baseddevs.
>>737120230I guarantee all of these can be moved from a database to a save file for local play
>>737124169Ubisoft said allowing people to run their own servers is impossible because it's a safety issue since people may say "nigger" and only the publisher can moderate and protect the users
>>737124197>nooooo the government is only for being used against you, don't ever play by the rules of the game to advocate for yourself!
>>737124169sometimes they literally cannot release it because they don't own the code other times it can also be a liability if someone uses it hack peopleit can also fuck with their other games if they use they reuse anything
>>737120230>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment. Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game. Now I finally understand the relationship between modern architecture and the pyramids. It's the exact same thing. So much knowledge has been lost over time thanks to retards that the thought of past generations creating things like games that run on a single computer is ushered only in the deepest parts of schizophrenic conspiracy theory chats.Absolutely incredible to be a part of the downfall of an outdated civilisation and its technology. Nobody will ever know what an amazing era we lived in and it is all thanks to stupid, greedy and ideological faggots.
>>737124197>nooo, not the heckin multi billionaireninios!!! why won't you let them continue rugpulling people in peace, sheesh...lmao pathetic fag
>>737124197>this is about getting on your knees and begging the government to tread on game devsToo much bad faith coming out of this post, I won't bother to refute it.
>>737124094Japanese believe in the impermanence of all things, Europeans believe in preserving history and achieving immortality through art and great deeds. Incompatible worldviews.
>>737124190Well you'll have to. And until then players will figure out how to do it themselves like they already do for WoW or other games.
>>737122238Removing access from something I purchased is by definition theft. >inb4muhEULAsaysIsn't applicable outside of muttland.
>>737121693when are highguard 2 and concord 2 coming out?
>>737124263>being anti-greed is communistNope. I'm pro-capitalism, I'm just anti-you. If all corporations disappeared overnight the world would be much bette roff.
>>737120349Dedicated server tools you fucking mook.
>>737124412Whoa buddy, if all that stuff is moved client side how can they ensure you aren't modding in all these exclusive cars or weapon skins for free? Or making custom maps and game modes?
>>737124376entire "digital games" is a weird walled off garden for japanese players. for all, so many have radically different pricing and even releases on steam so japanese's retail can be kept on life support. someone post that anime girl ranting about how japanese players are nickel and dimed for japanese language packs.
>>737120297Lol they'll just not release FIFA '28 or GT8 in Europe and let the silent majority of gamers there bitch and get whatever the EU cooks up revoked.
>>737120230after nuking japan, the americans should've continued the war anyway just to kill more of them
>>737124398Trust me, a ton of mid-sized dev teams do this. I think it's mostly just the old big corporate studios that still do shit by hand in the most inefficient way possible.
>>737121353>Imagine the PR disaster, ABANDONED GAME BREAKS PLAYER RECORDSHow is this a disaster? As soon as you get a good headline like this, you immediately announce a sequel and make lots of money
This is just another distraction from the Teraleak files
>>737121753cool it with thr antisemitic remarks anon
>>737120230What gamers think>Game: 69.99, 200GB>Game (offline), Post SKG: 69.99, 5TBWhat actually happens>Game: 69.99, 200GB>Game (offline), Post SKG: 1,749.99, 5TB
>>737124342you aren't being treaded on, you are buying limited access to a server. make a decision for yourself instead of asking the government to make other people cater to your wants >>737124436>>737124451you can do what you want, but don't pretend this has anything to do with don't tread on me
>>737121957I am fully capable of disagreeing with the Japs about their corporate dicksucking without it affecting my opinion of other areas.
>Japanesei understand it's usually a joke but I actually stopped reading there. I don't give a shit what actual boot licking fanatics have to say about consumer rights.
>>737124605>Lol they'll just not release FIFA '28 or GT8 in Europe
>>737124373>The only valid complaint I can come up with is the risk of pushing bigger devs to go full on subscription for their gamesAt least that would be honest. Selling a game a game as a one time purchase and then nuking it is deceitful by default. And no, the fine print doesn't make it better.
>>737120349>>737123218>>737120230Game companies will just make all their games a monthly service instead of a single payment, so they are "renting" games out to players.
>>737124568The game is unsupported by the publisher at that point and has no warranty, why the fuck should they even care if I fuck with my save data?I mean, it's probably because tampering with save data is an actual crime in Japan, but it's not in the EU so I think they can shove it.
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGSYou can have mmorpgs run on dedicated servers dick-fuck.
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayerbased>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays itbased
>>737120349we don't even get new MMOs
>>737124668...I'm not American. I trust my government and wish to use them to further the goals of the people living under it. You'd never understand.
>>737124630reminder that Hypno was NOT in the files
>>737124548>I'm pro-capitalism, I'm just anti-you. If all corporations disappeared overnight the world would be much bette roff.>pro-capitalism???
>>737123927>EU passes "stop force feeding gravel to babies" legislation>Thread is full of Americans laughing at the cucked Yuropoor commiesevery single time without fail
>>737121445who makes the software for players to do that you fucking retard?
>>7371203491. This wouldnt lead to the end of GAAS or mmos2. Even if it did, that would be a good thing.
>>737124568If they wanted to keep making money on it, they should have kept the servers alive; simple as
>>737124804the players themselves? are you literally fucking retarded? the whole point is that all the devs have to do is make their code available after shut down so the players themselves can create their own offline version.
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuityGood thing. More focus on conventional singleplayer and couch multiplayer experiences instead of the glorified gambling that degenerates society by making people introverts who don't leave home.>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new gamesThis is false. Laws don't function retroactively. Any game released before its passing won't be affected. That would be like forcing a book publisher to reprint an obscure book from 200 years ago.
>>737124778coporatism isn't capitalism faggot
>>737124782>>EU passes "stop force feeding gravel to babies" legislationGovernment overreach, I tell you.That shit is natural and helps babies grow.
>>737124652I wouldn't mind buying "host the server" edition for 30 grand.
>>737124506you don't understand what you purchased then. you rented a car and don't want to give it back
>>737124668>you are buying limited access to a serverThen they can stop being niggers about it and stop packaging it like a normal game purchase, they can charge less for it and they can give a guarantee for how long it's going to last instead of being as deliberately vague as possible
>>737120349There are people out there who won't say "Based" to this BTWAlso this applies to the gacha games that you fags love so much, you can actually keep your waifus even after EoS
>>737124197Alright then, abolish copyright. The devs won't have to provide anything after they shut their servers down, but they can't sue anyone who reverse engineers their servers, either.
>>737124995you're more likely to see china and japan skip europe altogether
>>737124778Yes. Corporations are anti-human cancer.
>>737124981Sorry, it's communism to do good things for people. Capitalism is when you gargle CEO cock until you die and that's a good thing.
>>737120230>retard who makes gacha slop>[please listen to my retard opinion]Go and make more gacha slop, retard
>>737124995>troonhu image>dumb tranny posterevery time
>>737124652Yes, I too see many games made by large studios with no online components that are sold at a.... 2500% markup.Amazing that you can still pull those numbers out of your ass when its plugged full of dicks 24/7.Do you intentionally smack your head against concrete when you wake up or does it just keep happening by accident? Retard.
>>737120230Additional cost and work isn't a problem for these already successful live service games, they can spare the resources
>>737124926>you rented a car by paying the full price of a new car, but they said "rental" in the fine print so it's okay
>>737120230>enemy behaviorWhy would enemy behavior need an internet connection to work?? What is this retard on about?
>>737124926Except I paid a one time price for a perpetual license. There is no clause anywhere that says the product will become unusable by X date. Thus the method of removal is fraudulent and no different than a scam.
>>737120230Just use AI , ffs , like you are planning to do for the rest of the game.
Capcom is a step above the rest.Still, gachaniggers deserve to be flayed alive for keeping alive this MTX system.
>>737124981you sound like a child that doesn't understand the risk involved with releasing and hosting games. im sure sony would love to keep concord running for decades if it made them money. I also doubt that no at epic expected a little battle royale mode would make their co op game the most profitable one in the world
>>737124926was it ever advertised as "rent a car until we one day come over and take it away from you forever", or did they obfuscate that in an illegal, one-sided eula you have to accept to even boot the game after you've already purchased it and advertised it as a regular product instead?
>>7371250892hu is original 4chan culture2hu is millennialcoremillennials are 3x less likely to identify as trans than zoomers are (Who are also more religious and conservative weirdly enough)>>737125041good
>>737120230>save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies>oh no they might start cheating!man who gives a shit. its an offline game at that point. let them.fuckin' japs and their honor bullshit.
>>737125221>2hu is original 4chan cultureAnd all the oldfags trooned out, it's not a coincidence
>>737125059It's communism to use violence to force everybody to go along with your utopian delusions that in reality just lead to mass starvation"Good intentions" aren't really good if you care more about your self image than the actual impact of your decisions
>>737123927Epstein bot post
>>737125335>its communism to have laws
>>737125172yes. read the rental agreement >>737125183every contract has a COA clause that says the game only functions with server support
>>737125293Transsexuals are less than 1% of the population of any given nation, you see troons where there is none. You just want to replace authentic 4chan culture with your epstein-approved sharty one.
>this is going to kill off live service games>it will kill off games that have always online requirements>it will leave multiplayer games in a state where people can revive them and play them regardless of the company, ala Phantasy Star Online>corpocucks can only seethe in bitter hate I'm feeling quite hopeful for this.Even as someone who mostly only plays singleplayer games, this STILL benefits me.
>>737125335>It's communism to use violence to force everybody to go along with your utopian delusions that in reality just lead to mass starvationPlease explain to the class in detail how video game preservation will cause a famine. I'll wait.
>>737125335So instead we should not regulate anything and breathe toxic air, drink shit-polluted water, and live in corporate-owned closets paid for with corpo-bucks that you get from your 16h a day job you can't quit (because lobbying is not regulated either)?
>Play """""""""game""""""""" knowing that it will EoS eventually>Game EoS>"NOOOO WHAT THE FUCK?!?! WHY ARE YOU ENDING SERVICES EVEN THO I SPENT MY MONEY TO BUY HRT DRUGS IN SOME TRANIME JPEG?!?!? FUCK YOU AND FUCK CAPITALISM!!!
>>737125335>making corporations stop doing blatant rugpulls is violence and akin to wanting to achieve an utopia. you should just bend over and die, atschkualywhat the fuck are you talking about retard lmaooo
>>737124448They don't need to release the code. They just need to release an executable binary file. Which is how dedicated servers used to work.
>>737125205You sound like a nigger that doesn't understand they don't need to keep hosting games, they just need to provide a way for players to do it>risk involved with releasingIt's not avoiding risk to be as vague as possible to deprive the customer of his rights, it's being a niggerIf you're selling a limited license, don't try to disguise it as a one-time purchase, call it a limited license (IN BOLD FLASHING TEXT SO EVEN RETARDS WILL SEE) and specify how long the license is for.Anything else is justBEING A NIGGER
As a leftoid all of the seething from chuds about SKGs only causes our arguments to come off as more based while rightiods lose their mancards (Because they suck corporate dick)
>>737120230god forbid they just release the server executables and let people deal with it right?so hard...
>>737120230Literally every mechanic he stated is already implemented in countless offline single player games that somehow function without a connection to the publisher's servers. Save file tampering is not a problem in any other country in the world because who the fuck cares except insane japs. Synchronization issues and data inconsistencies? Is he just throwing out words? Those are problems that have been solved in every stateful application that ever has or ever will exist. I can't tell if he's being disingenuous or if he really has such a small minded view of his own field of "expertise".
>>737120349Stop raping ferrets.
>>737125346>>737125419>>737125453>>737125483I'm pro-SKG you fucking moronsSKG isn't communist
>>737125146Oh, I see, you've hosted a AAA server for millions of players in the past. You can do it all by yourself, just like you can make indie games all by yourself. Impressive actually. All those expired licenses for crossovers, you'll renew those as well too, I'm sure. Here's your barely playable fortnite with 0.00001% of the content. It's "technically" playable, but none of the features work and all the events are missing. Enjoy. You want everything you missed out on? Your problem, not ours.
>>737125489that doesn't change anything I said. you still need to compile the code to release it as a binary
>>737125373>Transsexuals are less than 1% of the population of any given nationAnd yet 100% of troonhu community
the average game dev cant imagine doing dedicated servers in 2026 let alone using less than 512mb of vram.
All of these games will have a method of running a local server. Just allow someone to run that on azure/AWS and expose the network values so users can point a client at their own server.
>>737125621anti-corporate laws are communist
>>737125359And the whole point of SKG is forcing these devs to implement a method that allows you to continue using the product you paid for. Of course, the very notion of getting to keep the stuff you paid for drives you insane.
am i supposed to give a shit that some kike cant support the retarded shit he did to hurt goyim?
>>737125771Fifth-generation red scare victim. Show sympathy; they can't help it.
>>737125527I'm anti SKG but I am pro transparency. id be fine with forcing them to put a sticker that says "hey we can shut down the servers anytime" on the box like it does in the contract
>>737120230Pic related did it 26 years ago why in the actual fuck it cant be done now to regular modern games? Japs are such a fucking doormats I swear.
>>737125704Did you know there are WoW private servers currently running? That still wouldn't be legal because the official servers are still running, but it would be once they got shut down.
>>737125479>pay for your game>company decides one day that game won't be playable anymore>take it away from me>i'm supposed to accept it as normalgo be a retard somewhere else
>>737125814and I disagree that they should be forced to do that. it's undue cost and stifles creativity
>Why the fuck can't you add *all* of Halo 3 to Bubble Bobble?
>>737125932Creativity in the live service sphere? These are 300 million gorillion ultradollar investments, not art projects. They can afford a server team.
>>737125859SKG is just a proposal, the EU is not forced to implement it as-is. There are still months/years of industry consultation and boring law shit ahead of us.One of the MEPs proposed making a Project Gutenberg but for vidya.
>>737125902>but it would be once they got shut down.why? and wouldn't this just disincentivize people from playing a game if they can just get it for free after EoS?
>>737125941why cant they?
>>737125932>Undue costNot my problem>Stifles creativityExplain, because I'm sure you don't even know what the fuck you just said.
>>737125932>t's undue costno, it offloads costs. they don't have to run anything, the player, community or whoever the fuck will>stifles creativitynigger you dumb?
>>737125929should have given mr epstein a few extra children idiot
>>737120230>japs>deepthroat bootlickingName a more iconic duo.
>>737126071quiet, shillyour inane faggotry has no power here
>>737126005>>737126035>>737126049the steam market and tf2 item servers all being server dependant, for example
>>737126128cope jewthis is the united caliphate of europe
>>737126089Your mom and my dick. I agree though.
>>737125932>stifles creativityWhat fucking creativity
>>737126187This whole initiative isn't all that specific. Don't worry, it'll change form many times before it's put into law. TF2 could be played with zero hats available. Not the end of the world.
>>737126187SKG does not demand full functionality after EOS, only that the game remains playable in reasonable state. Losing out on hats would not be an issue.
>>737126262it's all items, not just hats. the game turns into stock only mode when the item server goes down
>>737126303I think you can reason about this yourself. You don't need me to counter every single bit of minutia.
>>737126303you can activate all items with dedicated servers
>>737126303 (me)and I'm talking more about the infrastructure than tf2 items specifically. you can't really make a game built around something similar if you need to plan for offline use in the future
>>737120349i see nothing but good news in your post
why do japs and americans hate comsumer rights so much?it's so fucking baffling, christ.
>>737125704>I know, I'll create a made-up situation where developers just rip out content after it's been patched into a game and delete it! And all of the time-sensitive events are required to be included! Because theres never been a game that had one-time events that never returned and new players were told 'tough shit'. And the game will require all of the server infrastructure to run! And they are forced to renew licenses until eternity, because everyone knows that single-player games never retroactively remove that content when those licenses expire.If you weren't so busy trying to strawman your way into bad-faith arguments, maybe you'd find some spare time to practice not being a humongous faggot.
>>737126303Wow, so just release the weapon files and bundle them with the rest of the server binaries. Really fucking hard.
>>737123619>They hold more reverence for the artist/author>how DARE you tarnish the artists wishes by hosting a server so people can enjoy the original work once the plug is pulled because it's not financially making them millions a year anymore!>It's illegal and IP theft! money? who cares you're not making money!>While taking the artists innocent romance work and doing rape NTR porn of it>Which is also an illegal use of IP theft, while making money from doing soYeah they really hold more reverence there.Japs are just niggers with double standards.
>>737122113oof, I'm glad the kingdom hearts union cross (can play through the story quests but doesn't have gachas yet) and missing link closed beta (barely functional outside of the intro and doing some quests, ironically can still use square's gps service for whatever reason) revival projects didn't go public yet
>>737122483Forced drama caused by misunderstanding. None of the japs actually looked at the Reincarnation revival mod before seething about copyright, and the smug response by the original OP (sell your game) did not help.If they did, they would have realised there was no distribution of copyrighted code.
>>737126303SKG would lead to someone to running their own server with whatever skins they want to allow
>>737126407Can't speak for nips but all of us americans aspire to be CEOs who can one day rape consumers with the practices that you want to outlaw
ah I see more people to never buy games from that require an online connection to a server run by others based OP thank you very muchNeverwinter Nights, a game from the early 2000s let you selfhost it came with the fucking base installation of the game.I cannot be convinced the reason they refuse isnt mtx aligned, either planned obsoletion to force people to the new mtx containing platform and dont even allow offline/3rd party/self hosting and I feel no pity, only contempt, for devs that make excuses for what was already done 20 to 30 years ago
>>737120230>muh costsfuck off jew
>>737123942Made by japanese devs by the way. EXTREMELY incompetent, because every new LID game was x20 worse. Even they managed to do that.
>>737126458Honestly, if you ever have one of those retarded niggers message you just say>ok I'll draw all the characters getting gangraped by american niggers saying japan is a shithole country, that's more accepted for your people
>>737126407The entire American revolution happened because of government overreach from the Brits. They're so traumatised about it ever since that for 250 years they've built into the national psyche the myth that all governments are necessarily dormant evils waiting to subjugate its people. They cannot fathom anything different. You can't really convince them, because the world they live in doesn't really allow differing perspectives; it's too deeply baked into the culture.
>>737126407if only little fags like you could understand one iota of what making software is like.
>>737123232Dumb Reddit catchphrase.
>>737125771>anti-corporate laws are communistNo, they're not, corporate shill.>>737125849>red scareInventing a derisive term for people who oppose communism doesn't stop it from actually being abhorrent. It's just a dishonest tactic designed to delegitimize criticism.Commies use dishonest tactics a lot, I've noticed. One of them wrote a book promoting them, even.
>>737126407>AmericansIt is pretty much mostly diaspara that come from Argentina that do shit like this in the US but yeah Japanese people are turbo cucked
>>737126524I can tell you know nothing about this industry. Without microtransactions, the gaming industry would collapse and no longer profitable.
>>737126407games that we paid for shouldn't be killed and also jews should be gassed thus so
>>737126617>all governments are necessarily dormant evils waiting to subjugate its peoplethey're not wrong about that. they're wrong about throwing out the baby with bathwater regarding SKG tho. greedy corpocucks got too cocky and have to be shown their place
>>737126420>made-upOh man, wait until you realize the client is not 200GB of actual game, but more like 30GB of actual game and 170GB of API calls. You are in for a treat.
>>737126650>softwareI dont care about your text editor anon I am not a company I do not need a text editor
>>737120297>even buying live service slopYou are the problem. Dont even pretend to be the "solution" or "fighting the good fight"YOU are the slop gobbling tourist ruining gaming.
>>737126697isnt that the jew that didn't care to talk about rape at blizzard before the goyim did and then pretended he cared
Mister Goldshtein get down!
>>737126697>$300 million budgetFound the problem. Games should not cost millions to make.
>>737126853OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
>>737125859That's a fair and nuanced take I guess, but I think it would need to go further than your suggestion.These corporations are vague on purpose because they want purchasers to "feel" like they're buying a game they'll keep having access to. They're afraid being plain about it will turn away potential buyers, and they're right.At the very least they must be required to be very specific (and in plain language, not legalese) about what will happen and when. If people choose to buy after that, that's on them.That's just basic consumer protections imo
>>737126853DELETE THIS, DELETE THIS FUCKING NOW
>>737126769>170GB of API calls.This only applies to people who play shit like Valorant or Call of Duty or NBA.
>>737126840>rape at blizzardthat was so clearly corporate espionage to get rid of the old guard and lower the price prior to the microshit merger. laughably you fell for the breast milk shit lmao
>>737126879That's what I was thinking. The industry went insane with profits and should've never gotten to this point. Oh, you can just print money with it? None of these high-budget games are even fucking interesting! Who'd defend this "appeal to everyone to make the most dollars" tripe, anyway?
>>737124605SKG exists in California as well. There's no running for these companies if they don't want to hurt their bottom line.
>>737126697>Without microtransactions, the gaming industry would collapse and no longer profitable.that's the most dishonest and downright evil thing i've read in these threadsholy fucking shit
>>737126963give us the tea mr jewish screecher
>>737120230>a JapaneseDont care ^^
remember when EA said that they can't make SimCity 2013 to run locally and you have to be always online to play it?
>>737126697God, I wish the gaming industry would collapse already
>>737120349>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGSOh yeah, that booming genre with tons of new games coming out.Anon, the most recent mmo with an active player base is ESO, 2014
>>737126725Great take anon, I agree completely.We live in the world we live in. We have to be able to take advantage of the government to help us since it is so often leveraged against us. We have to engage with the system we're stuck in.
Don't mind me, just posting some ancient and forgotten technology we couldn't possibly reproduce today
>>737120349You have clearly not read what SKG is about it and what is proposing so you assumptions are completely wrong but the funny thing is even if the weren't I would still support SKG kek, video game companies tongue my anus.
>>737127060jewish screecher NEEDS to pretend he knows things
>jap is complaining that private servers may existgod how awful
>>737126697>Without microtransactions, the gaming industry would collapse and no longer profitable.Stop, I can only get so hard.
