>>737326348
Best souls game, yes.

Most casual friendly souls game. A bit too easy for my taste.

>>737326348

Shame the obtuse tendency system drags it down.

>>737326768
Nah, that's good.

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>>737326348
Yep, pure aura

Loved how inventory management actually mattered in DeS and the levels weren't filled with checkpoints everywhere, loved how jn DaS1 you could actually get lost and feel stuck and you'd have to fight your way out because you didn't get fast travel right away. DaS2 is just mediocre and DaS3 and ER only have good boss fights and smooth gameplay, but the sense of adventure is gone despite having beautiful worlds

As much as we can all laugh at rollslop, I do appreciate DeS and DS1 (no From game since DS1 worth a damn) for the atmosphere, ambience, mood, sense of adventure. Getting lost but enjoying it. No map is great for example, have to map it out in your mind.

>>737326768
And stockpile thomas.
>>737326348
Emperor of SHIT.

>>737329589
>no fun allowed and constantly teleporting back and forth to an npc is "inventory management"
Ok man.

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My favorite in the series. So much so that I platinumed it four times.

>>737330294
>As much as we can all laugh at rollslop, I do appreciate DeS and DS1 (no From game since DS1 worth a damn) for the atmosphere, ambience, mood, sense of adventure. Getting lost but enjoying it. No map is great for example, have to map it out in your mind.

DeS, DS1 and BB were Miyazaki's pure passion projects

DS2 was a dev hell nightmare salvaged by Tanimura

DS3 was a contractual obligation

Elden Ring is open world slop

Nightreign is a rom hack

>>737331073
>DS2 was a dev hell nightmare salvaged by Tanimura
>DS3 was a contractual obligation
DS2 felt more like an obligation.

>>737331073
Pretty accurate. The only one in that list I haven't played to death and platinumed is Elden Ring. I just do not like 99% of open world games. It's filler. Wandering through a field does nothing for me. I will say the actual levels I did play in Elden Ring were good. The castle, magic college, volcano level. If the whole game was just levels instead of open world I'd probably like it a lot more.

>>737327471
>aura
I hate this term with every single ounce of my being

>>737331203
>early ds2
>shibuya wants larger scale dark souls more focused on mechanical depth but fails to work with tech and skill available
>actual ds2
>tanimura cobbles together what's there into what works

DS2 was a Sonic 06 tier disaster until Tanimura salvaged it

Dark Souls 2 had a troubled development, so Miyazaki wanted Tanimura to redeem himself with DS3 and ER like how Itsuno was credited with DMC2 and redeemed himself with 3.

Both DS3 and ER have tons of influence from DS2, especially in terms of core mechanics and balance changes.
Yui Tanimura, the DS2 was director, worked alongside Miyazaki on both these games as co-director.

>>737326348
Miyazaki fun facts

DeS
>Miyazaki's favorite games are Dragon Quest 3, Link to the Past, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Oblivion, Left 4 Dead
>Miyazaki's favorite anime are Berserk, JoJo, Blade of the Immortal, Aura Battler Dunbine and The Vision of Escaflowne
>Miyazaki's favorite FS game pre-Souls is King's Field 2
>Miyazaki loves Dreamcast gem Frame Gride
>Miyazaki loves to read the backstory documents of Game of Thrones, Rune Quest and Lovecraft
>Miyazaki was working on Armored Core until Takeshi Kajii (SCE) pitched Demon's Souls because he loved King's Field
>Takeshi Kajii (SCE) had a critical decision to be made: do we ask FROM Software to make the game more accessible or do we let the team pursue the creative road it had set for this project? They chose the latter, and it was considered a big risk
>Takeshi Kajii (SCE) wanted Maiden in Black
>Miyazaki worked on animation where she’s sitting while shaking her legs
>Miyazaki set the "praise the sun" pose as the “miracle” action. Unfortunately, accidentally included it in the internal presentation he had to give, and one of the higher-ups actually said it was lame. He told them he’d get rid of it right away, but secretly kept it as an effect for RING OF SINCERE PRAYER
>Miyazaki's favorite area is Valley of Defilement and favorite boss is Tower Knight
>Miyazaki designed all 5 worlds, and the scrapped Northern Limit left behind on the PS3 game disc, in 2 years
>Miyazaki was going to adjust DeS difficulty until he got a call from the person in charge of the SCE debugging team. “No, you don’t worry about this, the game should remain difficult.”
>Miyazaki: When designing the bosses, I made sure that they would be varied and exciting. I prepared different gameplay and strategies for each one so that players didn’t get tired of the same fight every time
>Miyazaki likes designing maps in a vertical way, when they would normally spread horizontally

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>>737331625
>SCE Japan Studio’s Takeshi Kajii faced much opposition from Sony's management, trying to dissuade him from releasing Demon's Souls, but Kajii did it anyway
>Because of the action RPG style, people simply expected it to handle in the same as Dynasty Warriors / Sengoku Musou
>Maiden in Black received a more “unique” name in the EN releases, she shares her Japanese name with the Firekeepers of Dark Souls. Her Japanese name is "黒衣の火防女"
>火 means Fire. 防 means Protection. 女 means Woman
>Miyazaki: I’m deeply fond of the Old Monk boss, who summons a black phantom. The whole idea of summoning another player to be your boss was
amazing to achieve. There were so, so many bugs because of him... The debugging staff told me to stop!
>The text in messages can only be selected from premade words and phrases so they didn't have to make any profanity or safety settings
>there are two areas that were meant as ‘places of evil intent.’ The first one is the Tower of Latria (man-made evil) and the second is the Valley of Defilement (natural evil)
>they wanted the dragons that you encounter at the beginning of the game in 1-1 to be the final obstacles to overcome after your long journey
>Miyazaki personally designed all of the bosses and levels
>Each boss has a concept that can be described very simply. The Maneater, for instance, can be summed up by saying “there’s another enemy.”
>Shrine of Storms area was defined as “a shrine of the dead, praising a hero of a pagan religion,”
>“So many people queried why we needed an online aspect to the game if we weren’t planning on allowing people to form a traditional quest party”, explains Kajii.
>Miyazaki joked: “When I talked to Mr. Kajii regarding the approach to developing Demon’s Souls design and story, I understood that I could make my ‘favourite game’ (laughs).”
>Demon's Souls from Tokyo Game Show 2008
https://youtu.be/IUYEwZ-Fiww?si=91bFPxs-KoiwfG0z

>>737331556
casually mindraped by zoomchads, many such cases

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do you guys think you'll ever make a game series as influential as Dark Souls?
Miyazaki was just some shmuck with a hard-on for western fantasy literature he could barely read, what makes him more capable than you?

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>>737327471
The fuck my last playthrough on PS3 had that damn near exact armor/weapon.

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>>737331689
>enemies have fixed placements: this is the result of design choices that favour giving you a sense of accomplishment, learning by dying. In other words, even if you die and lose all your souls (making you unable to level up), you can try again because you remember where the enemies are placed.
>DeS three main points were "The world of dark fantasy", "Swordfighting Action RPG", "Exploration, discovery, strong enemies, strategy"
>In Demon’s Souls, they tried to implement some features (World Tendency, Soul form which cuts your health in half) in a kind of experimental way, not being sure whether or not it would be popular, but did it anyways so that could see how people reacted
>From a marketing perspective, Demon’s Souls is a project that should have never been initiated
>Shuhei Yoshida, a 30-plus-year Sony veteran and renowned software developer, thinks DeS is crap based on an early build that he's shown, and drops all Sony support for it
>完成間近の段階でDemon’s Soulsを2時間ほどプレーしたが、2時間後にもプレーを開始した時と全く同じ場所に立ったままだった。
>「これは駄目だ。信じられないほど酷いゲームだ」と感じて、プレーを止めてしまったよ。
>I played an almost finalized version of the game for about 2 hours, but 2 hours after having started playing I was still standing there at the same location.
>"This is terrible. It's an incredibly awful game.", I thought to myself, and stopped playing
>Sony Japan localization specialist Yeonkyung Kim has admitted that the company’s decision not to publish cult dungeon crawl Demon’s Souls worldwide was an error
>From Software operates on, basically, the feeling of “we make games that we want to make”,
>Shirogumi developed the Demon's Souls cinematics/FMVs

>>737329781
unironically his worst game

>>737326348
Does difficulty = quality? Because in DeS' case I can't help but remove points because it's too easy, there's this increasing challenge arms race between devs and players that makes going back to older games less stimulating.

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>>737331741
DaS
>Miyazaki during Dark Souls' development kept a digital photo frame on his desk which cycled through fan criticisms of his previous project, Demons' Souls, as an incentive to work harder
>Miyazaki intended to go with the title 'Dark Race' or 'Dark Ring' however he got told that it might be a discriminatory expression
>Miyazaki wanted DaS to be a labyrinth without areas that were separated into stages such as 1-1, 1-2, 2-1
>Miyazaki got overwhelmed and got angry with the map designer because there were many areas in one map, so he said “it’s impossible to call this ‘one map’ and then make it!”
>SATAKE: We used motion capture technology for some parts of the pre-rendered cinematics, but whenever we came up with something that didn’t seem quite right to Miyazaki, he was more than willing to act out the motion himself. For Nito’s gesture where he spreads his hands out, Miyazaki did several takes. (laughs) Oh, and when the ashen holy maiden takes the fire? It was originally a very simple gesture but Miyazaki insisted, “I want a sense of prayer in there. You hear me? Prayer!” (laughs) That took several takes as well.
>Miyazaki intended Priscilla to be a Maiden in Black/Firekeeper character
>Pricilla was the heroine of the story
>Lost Izalith. Miyazaki comments “Don’t want to elaborate on this very much. There was a different person assigned to this area, and although I was involved, I don’t want to pose very many negative comments for his sake. It can be a learning experience for all of us.”

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>>737331792
>Miyazaki agreed that the weapon enhancement system was very confusing
>Miyazaki apologies for Blighttown 病み村 (Yamimura) frame rate
>Firelink Shrine was originally intended to be a water shrine. They had it so that you could basically go to another area from every direction, though some of those paths didn’t make it into the final game
>Masanori Waragai designed New Londo Ruins, Sen's Fortress and Anor Londo
>Mai Hatsuyama designed Elite Knight armor, Black Knights and Gargoyles
>Before Mai Hatsuyama joined the team, the Centipede Demon was the Undead Parish boss
>There’s actually a source of inspiration for Quelaag. There’s an old board game called “Dragon Pass”, and in that game is a unit known as the Crag Spider
>Miyazaki's lead graphic designer’s idea about a trapped princess being released from inside a Crystal Golem when it is defeated. This became Dusk of Oolacile.
>Miyazaki wanted Anor Londo to be an epic location that would offer the player a real sense of accomplishment once they arrive. After ringing the bell and overcoming the numerous traps, the player gets to step foot in Anor Londo and has that glorious moment where they get to bask in the wonder of their achievement
>Princess Gwynevere is based on Fujiko F. Fujio’s short mangas that was about a strict CEO type guy being soothed through his acquaintance with a giant woman who coddled him like a child at a unique therapy facility. That's why Gwynevere is a giant.
>Painted World was based on a prototype “Dark Souls” map, and the prototype map was designed in great detail in order to ensure the dev team were all on the same page for the interconnected world map
>Miyazaki wanted a library area in Demon's Souls and used that as a base for Duke's Archives

>>737326650
yeah but its kino. perfect entry point for learning how to play souls without leveling up.
>>737331747
I had to reply, good bait

>>737326768
It's not obtuse, it's just too limited in how you can influence it. Kill bosses or if pure black kill black phantoms and primeval demons that only appear in pure black and world moves white. Die in human form or kill white phantoms that only appear in pure white and world goes black. Killing others players if online influences tendency appropriately. It's really straight forward. But since there are more ways to move black then white, and since tendency specific events only happen at pure black or white, it just feels really half baked and keeps the player trapped in soul form if they want to get to pure white events.

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>>737331872
I'm serious, only midiwts söygasmed at the basic bitch shortcuts and level connections btw, only Ds3 can be arguably worse

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Dark Souls 1 mogs Demon’s Souls nigga.

>>737332008
...at being overrated dogshit

A time when miyazaki and from software was free to do whatever they want

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>>737331856
Bloodborne

>Bloodborne's core idea was apparently brought to From by SCEJ out of a desire to work with Miyazaki
>Studio Japan assisted FROM with Demon's Souls and Bloodborne due to the complexity of the PS3 'Cell' with 6-core equivalent architecture (3.2ghz) console and the amount of work that needed to be done
>From subsequently went off to Bandai for DaS and it became a legitimately mainstream hit on the PS3 and 360, Yoshida approached Miyazaki, admitted he was wrong and commissioned From to collaborate with Japan Studio again for Bloodborne
>Miyazaki wanted “the feeling of fighting for one’s life.” In Demon’s Souls, the combat system was really defined by swords and shields, particularly shields, and it ended up feeling a bit passive.
>When Bloodborne went gold, Miyazaki was 30% looking forward to players enjoying the game. The remaining 70% is just freaking out over the reaction to it
>Miyazaki was looking forward to the PS4 because it easy to make games for it. They had a lot of problems with the PS3 CELL
>Miyazaki always felt like he had problems creating heroines for his games
>Miyazaki's favorite boss is Rom, the Vacuous Spider
>darkbeast Paarl was designed solely by Miyazaki
>Miyazaki wanted every area linked in one way or another much like the first Dark Souls, but you also have a hub system like Demon’s Souls
>Miyazaki said he was "very happy" to see so many passionate fans calling for a Bloodborne remake to happen
>Bloodborne was inspired by Innistrad (2011)
>Miyazaki regrets Chalice Dungeons and Blood Gems
>Miyazaki was developing Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 at the same time, hence the similarities
>Miyazaki-san "If you remember the Tower of Latria level in Demon's Souls, that's the kind of atmosphere we want to create with Bloodborne."

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>>737332062
WRONG! Stop being brown. REMOVE the sony bonus this instant and the truth will become obvious. You know I’m right.

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>"You have a heart of gold. Don't let them take it from you!"

>>737331747
Reddit moment. Here’s your (You), nigger.

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jim ryan/herman hulst going behind miyazaki's back to remake demons with an american studio was pure backstabbing.

>>737332534
It was Yoshida who wanted the Demon's Souls remake to apologize to Miyazaki for not supporting it back in 2009

jim ryan/herman hulst hate Japanese games and want more western IPs and live service IPs

>>737332602
pure headcanon nonsense.

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>PLEASE, HELP ME!

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>>737331073
>DS2 was a dev hell nightmare salvaged by Tanimura

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>>737331625
>>Miyazaki's favorite area is Valley of Defilement and favorite boss is Tower Knight
this whole list is full of partial trivia exaggerated out of context

>>Takeshi Kajii (SCE) wanted Maiden in Black
is this even a sentence? he wanted her what? we all want her

>>737332602
>to apologize
to cashgrab after they missed out on dark souls going viral*
if you think this was done out of honor and respect rather than pure greed lol

>>737332731
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>737332987
>and respect rather than pure greed lol
it was done by herman who is clueless. he has no respect for miyazaki and probably ruined Sony's relationship with FromSoftware

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>>737333296
is herman in the room with us right now

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>emulate offline DeS
>find out I miss out on a lot of shit cause I can't get pure white tendency

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>>737326348
Of mid then I agree

>>737332857
>Miyazaki's favorite area is Valley of Defilement and favorite boss is Tower Knight

Miyazaki personally designed every DeS area and boss. Of course he likes them all.

>Takeshi Kajii (SCE) wanted Maiden in Black
>is this even a sentence? he wanted her what? we all want her

Takeshi (Ken) Kajii wanted a heroine and Miyazaki designed Maiden in Black

He died in 2013 and didn't live to see the remake

>"Our only regret is that our friend and colleague Takeshi Kajii, who was the original producer on Demon’s Souls at JAPAN Studio, is no longer with us to share in this moment. We hope we have done him and his legacy proud."

>>737333559
ps3 emu has servers up anon

>>737326348
Based Yuropoor

>>737333559
>emulate offline DeS
>find out I miss out on a lot of shit cause I can't get pure white tendency

Clear the world without dying and you get pure white tendency

>>737333664
and they are actually alive as well. I managed to get invaded by some toxic + scraping spear dork. Also managed to get invaded in the old monk fight, got raped by doran cosplay. Fun gaem

>>737333559
You can, just kill yourself in the nexus every time you revive and never die in human form in a stage, that should get you to Pure White after 3 bosses I think.

>>737333823
I got summoned before I got that fight myself so it ruined the surprise for me but I killed the other player, such a fun and soulful gimmick idea

>>737326768
Form an original thought for once in your life, you fucking mong. It's extremely minor, one of the very few experimental ideas in the game that wasn't massively successful and hugely innovative, and you would never even realize it if you weren't just regurgitating opinions you read on the internet.

>>737333404
>posts headcanon

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>>737331792
>that Lost Izalith tidbit

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Every time I play I end up cosplaying Miralda. It's too bad I suck shit at using the knife against Allant and had to resort to Maxxing out the Dragon Sword. Meat Knife it's fun as fuck for enemies and bosses that aren't him or Flamelurker, pancaking and tossing regular human NPCs is stupid fun and really easy

>>737332838
why are you posting E3 footage from the cancelled lighting engine that proves his point?

>>737333721
you can actually just suicide in the nexus to lose your human form and then dying has no consequences. fucking zoomers

>>737334621
>you can actually just suicide in the nexus to lose your human form and then dying has no consequences. fucking zoomers
>cheesing the game

You didn't beat the game kid

>>737334390
Dark Souls was incredibly ambitious, and also, incredibly unfinished

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>>737334747
What the fuck are you even talking about? Demon's Souls essentially established the entire formula in the very first game and was a masterpiece. Dark Souls was incredibly iterative, took two steps back for every step forward, and went with a quantity > quality approach.

It's still what I'd play over every other game. I just play the subsequent as a matter of respect. I got the remaster just to play it easier. Can emulate. Set me on my harsh work ethic and rlading by example. 4chan was fun back then.

>>737329589
You can always tell who is such a dumb gorilla nigger when they talk about the game like this. Same shit with early Monster Hunter games.
>Dude man yeah being really fucking annoying means the game is soulful.
You can admit a game is good with it having really bad decisions. You don't need to suck a game's cock completely and try to praise even the negatives as some sort of achievement.

only souls game I dropped, it felt unfinished, the maps were a confusing mess

>>737334827
Demon's Souls is basically a beta test. World X-1 and X-2 are good, X-3 is basically a boss fight. Lack of enemy variety. Linear level design. Bosses are buggy and lame gimmicks. Extremely short. NPCs are shallow prototypes of DS1 and Bloodborne NPCs.

>>737326348
I wish this game were hard. I also wish there were 10 levels per arch stone instead of 3.

>>737326348
>Demon's Souls: Prepare to Die Edition

>>737335020
Decorate the nearest wall with your brain. DaS is a huge downgrade from DeS
>Entire second half of game is borderline incomplete and is empty and sterile with terrible level design
>Level design in general is just a lot less consistent in terms of quality than Demon's Souls
>some of the worst environments of all the Souls games like Anor Londo, Catacombs, Ash Lake, Great Hollow, Crystal Caves, Valley of Drakes, and Lost Izalith
>godawful enemies like the bonewheel skeletons, Stray Demons, Anor Londo Archers, and Drakes
>many bosses are underwhelming or poorly designed, like O&S, Priscilla, Capra, Quelaag, Pinwheel, Seath, Taurus, Ceaseless Discharge, bed of chaos
>bosses are already starting to focus primarily on action and rolling with less focus on original and puzzle bosses
>literally recycles the same boss three times
>Hitboxes and i-frames are more inconsistent
>Retarded mechanics like curse and common consumables only sold by a select few merchants (I played 1.00)
>can't fast travel anywhere until over halfway into the game, constantly backtracking and running from one end of the world to the other just to buy an item from a shop, go to a covenant, or upgrade your equipment
>many of the key mechanics are poorly explained (lordvessel, upgrading estus, kindling bonfires, pardoning, etc)
>game world is a convoluted mess with necessary NPCs scattered into the far corners of the world (the interconnected world starts to become more and more contrived as the game goes on), again requiring a ton of constant backtracking
>dogshit platforming sections
>only basically one main path you can take that you find through trial and error and backtracking. Less flexibility in boss order
>Demon's had focus on invasions, mindgames, and power dynamics, with risk reward for human form and punishing players for soul form. Dark Souls is about "le honorable duel" and there is no downside to hollow and you just summon at the boss door. Really devalues the whole experience

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>>737335064
Literally NO ONE thought this at the time of release and for an entire fucking DECADE afterwards.

It's okay to admit you're a shitstain retard zoomer who has hundreds of hours of experience in Souls games and went into Demon's Souls with wikia in the other tab, using walkthroughs, and looking up the most OP cheese builds.

This is such a disingenuous fucking take.

>>737334621
>Climb the stairs of the nexus
>It's all full of blood puddles
The memories

>>737334941
NTA
Mechanical improvement taking away from the limitations that gave a world it's feel. I like DaS2 and 1 but 3 feels like a gauntlet and elden ring is a build guide game in effect. Even if you don't get a build guide. Youre encouraged like in other games to fuck around and get all you can if you cant pass some place. That's morgots lesson. It's not unenjoyable but there was a feeling of a world instead of adjacent interaction like in 3 forward. It's a better game you can say, but did you want immersed in a world compared to just engaging with a series of mechanics. This is almost every old game though so take your pick. Need to make your way through the world and are more a subcategory of it's operations? It's more immersive because your choices are less a bag of systems and more the eay you make your way through the world. Same ethos as SS13 and Dwarf Fortress.

>>737335064
Demon's Souls is harder than like 99.9% of the classics and has a shit ton of replayability and ways to make the experience harder.

Seriously, what the FUCK is this take? Could you possibly be any more retarded?

>>737331943
I always thought it's a cool idea, but in practice it always meant killing all the bosses in soul form and killing thineself in the Nexus every time you acquire human form to get to pure white tendency first. Then do all the white tendency events. Then go pure black etc.

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>>737335253
>>737335281
Anyone that actually pretends DeS is somehow the best fromsoft game has never actually played DeS.
>Limited movesets
>Linear levels
>Levels with verticality despite the game giving you few ways of interacting with enemies below you
>World tendency is arbitrary, difficult to manipulate, punishes you for dying, and mostly just serves to lock you out of content
>Upgrade mats are either annoying or impossible to get.
>Magic is disgustingly overpowered
>Levels where extremly simplistic and linear, there was no cohesive world design, just teleportation via archstones. Most bosses felt nonsensical and didn't even match the theme of the location.
>R1+Rollspam is at its worst here

It's worth playing just from a historical perspective, but saying it's better than DaS is pure contrarian

demon's souls by far had the best multiplayer experience
being able to become the boss of an area, and being able to invade solo players was phenomenal
there was also an incredible amount of griefing available, which was fantastic as well.

>>737335485
Its not better than DaS flatly. 3rd anon. I like it but I enjoy the whole storytelling bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5PdpsfINA
Not Copy Pasting but it just the point.

>>737332838
Unironically ray tracing off/on. I wonder if the game could be modded with ray tracing.

did recent ps3 emulator update lower the system requirements? i want to play this on my 16gb hd630 thinkpad

>>737335572
DeS:
-starting spell trivializes the entire game
-99% of enemies can't deal with circle strafing
-armor is completely worthless
-you can carry enough healing to face tank every boss without avoiding a single attack
-terrible progression, 90% of the best stuff is in Shrine of Storms and there's practically no reason to spend time in any of the other worlds
DaS;
-magic, armor and weapons are horribly balanced
-99% of enemies can't deal with circle strafing
-only challenging bosses in the base game are multi enemy encounters or poorly designed trash
-second half of the game is noticeably worse than the first half, especially Lost Izalith
DaS2:
-ugly and poorly structured world
-filled with samey, boring enemies and bosses
-95% of enemies can't deal with circle strafing
-lifegems completely ruin the intended challenge of the game
-optional DLC areas are the absolute worst areas in any Fromsoft game and it's not even close
DaS3:
-bosses that actually put up a fight
-using magic is no longer a completely braindead beat the game for free mode
-the fact that it's more linear means that the difficulty is better balanced to provide a fun challenge throughout the game, while still providing a good amount of side paths to explore

>>737335572
It's funny how people think this whole video is "DeS the best" when it's not even a minute in and it says DaS is a great sequel.

>>737335828
You can scream about balance all you want. Refinement is a part of iteration. Moyazaki is great. 2 wasnt a good iteration in manys minds but I liked its story.

>>737335871
>>737335572
>>737335485
How come they never made huge areas like Boletaria, Latria, or Valley of Defilement again?

The later iterations of those areas feel tiny in comparison.

I wish the remake went the extra effort and included the last Archenstone

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>>737335828
>-using magic is no longer a completely braindead beat the game for free mode

>laughs in pyromancy

>>737335967
Metroidvania. Nooks and crannies for crooks and trannies.

>>737335485
>Limited movesets
It's about learning level layouts, routing, and movesets. It's not MEANT to be a shitty CAG clone you fucking mong.
>Linear levels
They are only "linear" in the sense that there is a distinct starting and ending point, there are tons of branching paths, secrets, verticality, and the worlds feel very immersive and lived-in. The structure may be linear, but the level design itself is far from it.
>Levels with verticality despite the game giving you few ways of interacting with enemies below you
There are ranged weapons and magic, but generally you aren't meant to interact with enemies below you often. Just say it doesn't have a plunging attack because that's all you mean.
>World tendency is arbitrary, difficult to manipulate, punishes you for dying, and mostly just serves to lock you out of content
It gives you harder enemies, but more rewards as a trade-off; it's more of a trial-by-fire. It was a failed experimental idea, but is very minor in the grand scheme and overwhelming vast majority of players would never even know if they hadn't just regurgitated this opinion from the internet.
Also "muh content" is almost entirely a completionist/achievement-brained zoomer complaint where they feel they have to be able to easily get 100% in one playthrough and if they can't that is an inherent flaw. You don't need to see every single thing the entire fucking game has to offer in one playthrough, shut the fuck up.

>>737335485
>Magic is disgustingly overpowered
It's meant to be an easier way to approach the game, there are plenty of ways to make it harder. This isn't some competitive esport, not everything must be 100% balanced.
>Levels where extremly simplistic and linear, there was no cohesive world design, just teleportation via archstones.
The complete opposite, see above. Each world is distinct, but the subareas of each world all mesh together and progression and shortcuts all feel very organic. It's also much preferable to the incessant backtracking of Dark Souls with merchants, quest givers, covenants, blacksmiths, etc. all on opposite ends of the world require you to just sprint back and forth like a headless chicken endlessly through all these areas you've already cleared, completely devaluing the experience of mastering these areas.
>Most bosses felt nonsensical and didn't even match the location
>R1+Rollspam is at its worst here
You have to be trolling, it's the ONLY game in the series where bosses actually feel like a product of their environment they live, utilize the environment, and are unique puzzle Zelda-esque bosses instead of just being roll and spam R1. NO ONE back in the day spammed roll, and Demon's Souls has the most de-emphasized roll of all the Souls games as well as the least focus on micro/technical combat, instead with much more focus on macro routing, build, and learning puzzle bosses.

Anyways, goodbye Hiro. Kys.
DeS is great.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBF356156D3D2093D

>>737333559
If you actually emulated, you can change Tendency at will or use online server Tendency.

>>737333559
you can get pure white, you just have to lower your tendency to almost pure black, kill the world's black phantom and primeval demon in one go without returning to nexus

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>>737326348
Ah yes, Demon's Souls - Get Ready to Expire Edition.

>>737331704
Maybe, but I don't think I could make anything this influential. Maybe something as influential as FNaF, but nothing more than this.

>>737335485
Complete opposite in reality. Almost everyone who started with Demon's Souls, it is their favorite, while most of its detractors are zoomer dipshits that played all the other Souls games first and went into Demon's Souls with far too much experience, preconceived notions and expectations. They also spammed guides and played after the servers were closed, even further diminishing the experience.

There is nothing that can replicate the magic of 2009-2011 Demon's Souls, you genuinely just had to be there instead of sucking on your mother's tit.

>>737326348
>beat Demon's Souls multiple times
>can't sit through Dark Souls or any of the other Souls type games after a certain point
Demon's hooked in a way the later games couldn't. I want to say level structure is part of it. Enemies reviving when you die is one thing, but prior to teleportation between locations being forced to murder everything over and over again is goddamn tiresome and gets old. At least in Demon's when you kill shit they stay dead until you either level the level or get yourself killed. Also enemies definitely die faster in demon's even early on.

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>>737333559
>OH MY SCIENCE I HECKIN' MISSED OUT ON CONTENTERINO!!! I MUST CONSOOM ALL THE CONTENT WHILE ALSO LISTENING TO MY FAVORITE ECELEB YOUTUBE VIDEO AT 4X SPEED AND SCROLLING TIKTOK!!!!
kys subhuman

>>737336528
The transition from adventure game to rhythm game started with Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3

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I don't like how the games got more frantic. Too many latter bosses just spazz out like an angry lawnmower and it's not fun to dodge 11 times to get one hit off

>>737326348
i only played the remake, that counts right

Does it emulate well? Don't wanna unbox my ps3 and the ps5 demaster is kinda boring to look at.

I love how replayable Demon's Souls is. I've played through Dark Souls 1, 2, and 3 several times, but I've beaten Demon's Souls over a dozen times because you can complete the game in under a few hours once you know what you're doing and it's just a really comfy game. I've only beaten Elden Ring once.

>>737326768
I didn't even notice it on my first playthrough

>>737329589
>loved how jn DaS1 you could actually get lost and feel stuck and you'd have to fight your way out because you didn't get fast travel right away
THIS
>continue going after Quelaag
>hit the golden gates
>"shit, am I required to go UP that fucking thing?"

>>737331558
So why are both of them complete trash?
Sounds more like the original director was the one responsible for all the good that remained in 2's final build, if "unchained Tanimura" keeps releasing garbage.

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>>737336842
Here's your fast travel bro

>>737336735
Yeah, RPCS3 was basically made with the sole purpose of playing DeS

>>737326348
Bosses range from way too fucking easy to damn these controls suck

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Requesting games (new or old, don't care) that are even remotely similar to DeS and DS1, preferably 3D (or least 3D space, don't care if it uses sprites/sprites that face the player etc). I'm aware of the older From games like STA and KF (great music in these, particularly KF, too). The quiet, the atmosphere, minimal GUI, easy to immerse yourself, the idea that even 'trash' enemies are a bit of a threat and so is the environment. It's a good balance of taking your time but it isn't braindead or uninteresting, very nice world and level designs. I recommend KF and ST(A) for those who haven't tried them but like DeS and/or DS1. Yes there's more 'clunk' but it's at least worth a good try even if you don't finish them.

I've got Labyrinth of the Demon King to play soon, been meaning to play it since it first came out.

>>737336735
Yeah if you got a decent cpu.

>>737336939
Why does the lighting and shaders in DeS and DaS1 look better than ER?

>>737336784
Most people don't. It's a terminally online zoomer complaint from those who need to use a guide at all times and find 100% of everything in the game

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I like Dark Souls 2. I think it has the best levels and the best structure. Leveling ADP is a non issue and if you want to be a dodgy fucking loser you should be forced to put points into a stat the same way you'd have to if you wanted to be a fridge.

>>737330294
>no From game since DS1 worth a damn
Sekiro was good

>>737336546
What do you have against conducting yourself like an adult

>>737336939
Vagrant Story if you haven't played it yet.

>>737336912
>RPCS3 for Demon's Souls
>shadPS4 for Bloodborne and Driveclub now, apparently
sad that Demon's Slops is too similar to Demon's Souls for devs to care about PS5 emulation
>>737336963
here's the funny thing: I'm the guidefag (specifically because I wanted Moonlight Sword early, along with other random tips I googled)
tendencies were something I completely ignored because lol why would I farm that shit +

>>737337075
Even as someone who played at launch and used a guide now and then, WT was basically a footnote unless going for the Platinum trophy/100%

>>737337061
I had looked at that right around the time (I have a few other games to get) when myrient was kill, now I've got to find another emulator site to grab them from. I've written down Vagrant Story to get now, too.

>>737337202
Squaresoft was legendary from NES, SNES, PS1 to PS2

>NES

Final Fantasy
Deep Dungeon III: Yūshi heno Tabi
Akuusenki Raijin
Moon Ball Magic
Hanjuku Hero
Final Fantasy II
Square's Tom Sawyer
Final Fantasy III

>SNES

Final Fantasy IV
Romancing
Final Fantasy V
Hanjuku Hero
Secret of Mana
Romancing SaGa 2
Alcahest
Breath of Fire
Final Fantasy VI
Live A Live
Chrono Trigger (Toriyama's art)
Trials of Mana
Secret of Evermore
Bahamut Lagoon
Super Mario RPG (development itself was all handled by Square, with Nintendo periodically checking)
Treasure of the Rudras

>PS1

Tobal No. 1 (Toriyama's art)
Final Fantasy VII
Bushido Blade
Final Fantasy Tactics
SaGa Frontier
Einhänder
Xenogears
Bushido Blade 2
Parasite Eve
Power Stakes 2
Brave Fencer Musashi
Another Mind
Ehrgeiz
Final Fantasy VIII
SaGa Frontier 2
Chrono Cross
Parasite Eve II
Vagrant Story
Final Fantasy IX

>PS2

Final Fantasy X
Romancing SaGa
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy X-2

>>737337202
Nigga just use vimm

>>737337246
Oh yeah, I still have them bookmarked, before myrient, even. PS1kino...
https://vimm.net/vault/PS1
incase others want the link.

>>737337202
It's seriously incredible. The sound design in particular will probably remind you of Demon's the most, but there's a lot in common with level design and enemy weaknesses and stuff like that. Brilliant game.
The only word of advice I'd give, feel free to ignore if you want to go 100% blind (not actual spoilers, just in case) is that the game's own tutorial teaches you wrong. I don't know if it was some late dev balancing change or what but if you follow what the game tells you you'll be focusing on the wrong things. You want to have one weapon of each of the three damage types with you, that's the main, most important thing. If you have that, everything else you can just wing. The game will teach you about grinding weapons to get bonus points against specific enemy types but it makes a really tiny difference, and it glosses over damage types which makes a massive one.
Brilliant level design, art direction, soundtrack, great story, weird and fun combat system, some of the best cutscene direction in the industry to this day.

>>737335485
I'll gladly say Demon's is better than Dark Souls. Forever. I like everything about it a lot better.

>>737331625
>Ico, Shadow of the Colossus
yeah teamIco games feel weirdly Miyazaki
>Miyazaki loves to read the backstory documents
no wonder his lore is spread across item descriptions lol
>Miyazaki: When designing the bosses, I made sure that they would be varied and exciting. I prepared different gameplay and strategies for each one so that players didn’t get tired of the same fight every time
this is what I really enjoyed about Demon's after playing DaS1, 3 and BB: ALL bosses are unique
pretty much only Penetrator is a "cool knight fight", unlike what feels like a dozen in DS3 they are all great, but uniqueness is certainly fun
>King's Field 2
2 or "2" (3 in JP)?

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>illusory wall gave up his original vs remake comparison because even he doesn't care about the remake

>>737336721
Yes, but it also unfortunately means you're trans.

>>737331625
you can really see the Oblivion influence in Elden Ring

>>737331856
>>Miyazaki wanted Anor Londo to be an epic location that would offer the player a real sense of accomplishment once they arrive. After ringing the bell and overcoming the numerous traps, the player gets to step foot in Anor Londo and has that glorious moment where they get to bask in the wonder of their achievement
walking through the golden city did indeed feel like an great achievement

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>>737332317
>wait, where are you going?

>>737336939
Not 3D but check out Blasphemous. Very inspired with similar atmosphere, structure and storytelling. Unique and interesting world too and a great metroidvania in its own right.

>>737332141
>Bloodborne's core idea was apparently brought to From by SCEJ out of a desire to work with Miyazaki
Snoy fanfiction. It's born out of this specific video:
https://youtu.be/oiGPTI06fn8?t=177
Even in english it's quite obvious that the "idea" was simply working together, this "desire of working with Miyazaki", but in japanese it's beyond any doubt. Miyazaki talked at length about all of the core inspirations behind Bloodborne, it wasn't anything handed to him.
Didn't read the rest.

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>FromSoftware Spent More Time On The Duskbloods’ Gameplay Than Any Other Title, and It Will Be the Most Innovative

>As reported in a new video shared by Ziostorm, a Chinese journalist who provided accurate information on Elden Ring before the game's release, recently revealed some small, exciting tidbits about FromSoftware's upcoming Nintendo Switch 2 exclusive. The game was reportedly greenlit even before the marketing campaign for Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice started, and it is the game that FromSoftware has spent the most time on gameplay among all of their games.

>All the time spent on prototyping The Duskbloods' gameplay is reportedly paying off, as the game, although PvEvP, features many innovative gameplay elements that the team is really proud of. So much so that the journalist speculates the game could influence games from other studios as much as the aforementioned Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice did, especially with the parry mechanics that are now prevalent in almost every action game.

>Miyazaki considers Link to the Past to be GOAT and collaborating with Nintendo is his biggest dream

Are you ready for kino?

>>737338227
No, I don't like multiplayer games.

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DeS and BB are the best Souls games and it's not even close

>Demon's Souls & Bloodborne were both collaborations between FROM Software & SIE Japan (Sony's internal studios)
>Completely self-contained and complete games
>Extremely memorable. Everyone remembers Boletarian Palace, Tower of Latria, Valley of Defilement, Yharnam City, Forbidden Woods, Fishing Hamlet
>tfw we'll never get another FROM Software & SIE Japan collaboration game again
>Miyazaki wants to collaborate with Nintendo now

>>737326348
The only thing better is atmosphere, literally every single other aspect of this game is inferior to the majority of the series.

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>>737326348
>play souls games
>get filtered
>cry about it on redd*t
>study the wiki like an arch wizard
>watch youtube boss guides
>still die like a bitch
>throw your head against the wall for hundreds of hours
>can first kill bosses now from time to time on a new playthrough
>go on redd*t
>"it's easy"

>>737338493
>Yharnam City
That's literally the entire game, no individual area is called that, grok, update your information.

>>737336939
check out Salt and Sanctuary if you want "Souls, but 2D Metroidvania"

>>737335443
This

>>737338227
I can't trust FromSoft AND Nintendo with stable online experience

>>737337979
>Miyazaki talked at length about all of the core inspirations behind Bloodborne, it wasn't anything handed to him.

Post Bloodborne dev trivia

>>737339076
The concept of the Great Ones yearning for a surrogate child is inspired by r/K selection theory. The more complex the life form, the less offspring it tends to generate. Great Ones take that to a hypothetical extreme of a life form so advanced it can no longer reproduce.

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>>737338547
Reminder Demon's Souls (original) had the best:
>best level design
>best OST
>best art style and atmosphere
>best sense of adventure
>most soulful
>unique and interesting puzzle-like bosses that make use of, and feel a part of, their environment
>focus on positioning, cautious play, planning ahead, and reading your surroundings over just roll-spamming
>consistently high quality throughout
>no constant obnoxious backtracking
>actual punishment and risk reward to soul/hollow form to avoid invasions
>invasions are tense games of cat and mouse
>established basically all of the mechanics of the series in the first entry

Ignore third world retard bandwagoners

>>737340049
Why must there be infighting