Quote from a Parliament member>"Imagine you buy a modern car. Modern cars have software. After 10 years the car company decides to shut down the software and now you cant even start your car anymore."Even boomers who never even played games understand the issue better than most corporate cock suckers
Semite slaves... How are we coping?
My biggest concern would be the ramping up in electricity consumption and possibile the need to build even more of those fucking data centers. At least, that's what i imagine it would happen, logically if you keep a game alive even when it's become economically unfeasible, someone's still gotta take care of the servers.
Im not supporting your communist agenda
>>737411189What the fuck does that have to do with SKG?
>The same Pirate Software takes are already hereDo you guys not sleep?
>>737411189Youngsters don't remember when we could host servers from our home PC's.
>>737411047Cars are products, not services, so no, boomers still don't know shit.
>>737411189>logically if you keep a game alive even when it's become economically unfeasible, someone's still gotta take care of the servers.How many FUCKING times do we need to tell you NIGGERS that that's not what SKG is asking for? All it asks for is some way to keep playing. Keeping the servers up is one way, but far from the only way. You can update the game so it doesn't need an online connection. You can also share the server binaries and allow players to run their own, like basically every PC game did before consoles killed the industry.
>>737411292As long as it gives (You)s shitposting never stops
Based EU.Corposhills get the rope.
>>737411302Games are not a service.
>>737411189That's very adroit, even by your slippery standards. I'm impressed. You've upped your game lately.
>>737411254Nice bait Jason.
>>737411189Retard alert
>>737411047That's what I was saying too, if you can apply not allowing games to EoS without making a locally runable version, you can apply it to all software. This would be very good for consumers and very bad for modern tech companies.
Good on then. Wish we hadn't left... things have not improved.
>>737411047Nobody tell him you're already paying subscriptions on car features.
>>737411302>Cars are products, not servicestell that to car manufacturers
post yfw you're not Pirate Software
>>737411254fpbp
>>737411663bot post
>>737411405Games are in fact either products or service. This isn't debatable, it's just a fact.
>>737411254Then you should also be against having Copyright laws, since they are a state enforced monopoly preventing other people from competing against the IP holder using the same ideasWithout Copyright, SKG wouldn't need to exist >>737411302Games shouldn't be services either, and the only reason they would be is because publishers are trying to say they are to nickel and dime consumers, which Car companies could and are also trying to do by tying specific features like heated seats behind a subscription
>>737411652
>>737411682fpbp
>>737411047I'm sorry, are these people literally arguing that companies should be forced to keep servers up for games that no one wants to play anymore?
>>737411725No.
>>737411696Head too big. Off-model garbage.
>>737411047To be fair the dude who gave that example was dressed in the most non-boomer attire i'm surprised he was allowed to be in the court full of suits in the first place.
>>737411047Trump won't allow this communist drivel to hurt American companies.
>>737411254>
>>737411693>Then you should also be against having Copyright laws,Well that's obviously false because I'm against SKG, AND I support copyright, and there's literally zero contradiction in doing that.
>>737411047I still dont understand why people think getting the EU to govern videogames is a good idea. Pirate software may be a fucking faggot retard but even he recognized getting a government to interfere with games was stupid.
>>737411693>Games shouldn't be services eitherTough shit dude, they are, can be, and will continue being.
>>737411825>I still dont understand why people think getting the EU to govern videogames is a good idea.Commie fucking shits. These people need to be physically removed from civilization. They should go starve to death waiting for the government to give them free food.
>>737411825Games are a product just like anything else. They're not special and are not exempted from not selling broken products.
>>737411254>actually owning things is communism
>>737411896You can't own a service.
>>737411725you fags have made this false claim so many times that I honestly hope the EU makes corpos keep said servers up forever, maybe then you would stop shitting out garbage
>>737411927A game is a product
>>737411927Too bad it's being sold as a product
>>737411725They literally aren't, but thanks for staying inquisitive.
>I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY ONLINE ONLY GAMES WITHOUT AN INTERNET CONNECTION!
EU saving the world as usualSay thank you EU
>>737412120No one is saying that.
>>737411825Governments are already governing video games. It's called copyright.
You, the consumer, have rights. Those will be protected by the full measure of the law.
>having consumer rights is... LE GOMMUNISM!
there's no points in participating in these threads, they're just bait and irony
>>737411189Most "Online Only" games don't even host shit relating to gameplay on their servers. It's all just micro-transaction stores and DRM checks. They just arbitrarily lock you out of gameplay if you don't connect to their servers. Helldivers 2 is a good example of this, the only thing hosted on their arrowheads servers is the monetization systems and the mission selection map, but you still host the game yourself on your own hardware for actual gameplay.
Niggas unironically want to use state violence against video game companies to force them to make a shitty offline version of Concord
Nah, they're just fishing for corporate bribes. Wait till the money starts flowing see how quickly they sing a different tune.
>>737411047Modern cars having software to begin with is the issue, but instead this fuckface is presenting the problem it causes as being itself the issue to push his communist agenda
>>737412387Where's the communism in individuals maintaining the right to their private property?
>>737411302Games are a products. The publishers only call them "services" so they can legally weasel themselves out of a potential lawsuit. And you are falling for it.The Parliment even acknowledged that whether you call it a "licence" or "a service" is just semantics, because the predatory practice persists, and the goal of SKG is to end the predatory practice, not to come up with a new fancy label.
You can tell who the consumer golems are and arent when they give their take on this.>the corporations are always right, think of the shareholders!>they just want to use the government to force developers to do...good things for the consumer...What the fuck are you doing. Kill live service games, or allow them to be playable on private servers. The point isnt to revive Concord you spastics its so developers moving forward DONT make more games fucking Concord which is live service trash with a massive budget blown on just keeping the game up, so they have to pile it with MTX to keep it supported. Stop making games like this, make it mandatory to allow the game to be run privately if people wish, or better yet, dont develop games this way at all.
>>737412572Why should I give a fuck about that? No skin off my back if they want to make these kinds of games.
>>737412625We would get more games that arent shit for a start. Everything is being made with a shelf life and is packed with MTX to keep the servers up. I want more good games anon, Im sick of live service shit.
>>737411725no. just go to the initiative's website and read it
>>737412661I just play the games I like. It doesn't matter if I don't play live service games, if other people enjoy them and want to play them and keep paying for them, then that's fine.
>>737412330>every online game is concordok tranny
>>737412731
>>737412437It's the only boogeyman corpo shills have to try and convince people that consumer rights are bad.
>>737411047>trusting Euro polics promiseslmao.
>>737411981NTA and I generally believe that private servers would be the way to go, but the way you worded it made me wonder. During the hearing, they brought up an idea of public repositories for games similar to libraries for books. Perhaps EU will consider running some public state owned servers?
>>737411254Im not supporting your nepo baby status, ferret fucker.
>>737412792I just don't want the government to force people to make games the way you want.
>>737412018No, they're not.
>>737413003...why can't we just host our own dedicated servers? It used to be a thing 15 years ago, but it's apparently lost technology now.
>>737413042>I just don't want the state to enforce my rights, the criminals should be free to do whatever they want to me!Very curious position to hold.
>>737411851By this logic anything can be a service if a company says so.So tough shit, we're going to push for regulation on the issue.>>737411816Depends on why you support Copyright and why you are against SKG. It's not inherently a contradiction, but it is if the basis for your opposition to SKG is because "it's communism/government interference", since so is IP law.
>>737413042>t. hasn't read the initiative
>>737413105Making a game differently from how you'd prefer is not a crime, and your rights are not being violated.
>>737413223>I will now ignore what SKG is about and pretend to argue about something completely differentInteresting tactic, let's see how it works out.
>>737413003Just like forcing devs to keep servers up forever, that would do nothing to fix the problem.
I bought a ticket to a concert, but then the concert ended! This should be a crime! I purchased the ticket, so I should have access to the concert forever! This is a human rights violation.
>>737413357correct
Gonna love all the sloppy bjs the naysayers will have to perform on my 6.2er once this is all over and consumers win.
>>737413357>purchase an album>the band breaks up>your album is remotely made inaccessible to you
>>737413357>false equivalentNo, you bought a music album and paid full price for it, but only post-facto realized that the publisher only allows you to listen to it twice, because your purchase is removed. Don't argue with it.
>>737412970Kneel.
>>737413438>>737412970Also Removable batteries soon
>>737413357>buy a ticket to a concert>not enough people show up>ends 5 to 10 minutes in instead of the expected 2 hours>"what? are you expecting us to play FOREVER?! go home, we'll keep your money though"
>>737411638>additional battery range purchased immediately before a road tripThis should be illegal in any civilized country
>>737413128>By this logic anything can be a service if a company says so.You're absolutely shit a logic if you came to that conclusion. Stop replying retard.
>>737411254Owning nothing and being happy is unironically communist propaganda and you’re falling for it
>>737411302Tesla cars have transitioned to being a service a few years ago
>>737413357Do you not remember the whole DRM debacle with Sony Musio?
It's amazing how mad corpo cucks get
>>737411254Has there been a single non retarded post attached to the drawing of this faggot standing up?
>>737413906Yeah its in this thread
>>737413497Not for burgers though
>>737411303It's bait, but it's based on a common tactic of feigning stupidity.Example: Brits saying "Take that rightoids! He wasn't a migrant! Agabu E'bola N'gongo Pipi was a british citizen!". They know what the issue is, but pretend they don't.
>>737411189That's why Ross said to at least make it possible for a final download to allow these games to be played offline. The obvious problem, aside from the REAL issue, is that companies want to protect their code. Giving people the keys to the castle on one project might cause problems for the next one if they use similar coding. The real issue is that companies want to have their cake and eat it too. Forcing you from one ecosystem to the next, which is honestly much more of a drain on power consumption, as I guarantee you that they will make more servers for the new game in prep, while the previous game is still running and entering its end of life.
>>737411303>I'm fine owning nothing as long as I can keep playing games
>>737413721No, he's right. If it's not regulated by law, the corpo would gladly change the semantics in a way that benefits them.>you are not buying a car, you are purchasing a license that will expire at our whim. Conveniently, we will terminate your license, when we release a new model of a car that we want you to buy. Are you going to argue?
>>737412330Concord didn't commit any fraud because they gave refunds. They fulfilled their obligation to the customer.
/v/ is very eager to defend the creators and publishers of the slop that is modern online gaming.
>>737413497This is actually shit. It will make phones heavier and bulkier. Nobody wants to use a 10 year old phone anyway.
>>737411047I'm still confused as to why I should care about whatever problems corps will have to deal with.If this causes significant problems then they shouldn't bother creating "service" games in the first place.
>>737413003>be gen omicron born 2299>get home from school on my hover cycle>have to play some some 20th century proto-boomunc games for history class homework>download entire windows library in a nanosecond>boot up unreal tournament and hop on a state mandated instagib server>it's lit
>>737414306You should do more reps with your onions bottle.
>>737413357Yes, play for me forever, little monkey. Or take your business elsewhere.
>>737411302Software running in the car is service with EULA
>>737414306I replaced the battery on my first smartphone a couple times (the phone lasted me about ~12 years), before it accidentally got crushed and I had to get a new one. You don't really need to change your smartphone that often.
>>737411047Why do we need daily threads about this? EU will take forever to make a decision on this.
>>737411652This whole ordeal has the potential to make him the next Anthony Burch
>>737414238nu-/v/ is just jeet shills on corpo payrolls
>>737414306>NNOOOOOOO YOU MUST REPLACE YOUR PHONE EVERY YEAR TO THE NEWEST MODEL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE DOES>NNOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO CONSUUUUUUME
>>737414306I don't want to change phone every year, shlomo.
>>737414583He's too gay for that.Faggots can't get cucked because they don't practice monogamy in the first place.
Give me a single argument as to why server hosting tools couldn't be released to the public after a service has ended
>>737414306Oh no.You mean there's no excuse for them to remove the headphone jack anymore?
>>737413357I bought a physical game, but then after 5 times it stopped getting installed. This should be a crime! I purchased the physical copy, so I should have access to the game forever! This is a human rights violation.SecuROM actually did that shit in the past. See how companies get comfortable when they're not being held accountable for their actions.
>>737414837Don't you get it? If we can't destroy games, that means consumers will be less likely to buy our new slop! The ideal system is an $80 purchase with battle pass and microtransactions that delists shortly after we release the next product.
>>737414863>people are already buying phones without it so no one needs itEU came too late for that, anon...I'm still mad at Apple for that tho.
>>737414837Please stop being antisemitic, you goddamn shitlord
Only shit games totally stop working when servers go down. I guess it’s the jeets that came on boats asking the EU for this shit
>>737414560Oh I'm sorry maybe you would like the thousandth thread about DALLE? Or about the next literally who gacha games only 3 anons play?I like those threads because they talk about real issue in the vidya market.
>>737414837It's communism you slant eyed chinaman
>>737411047>>"Imagine you buy a modern car. Modern cars have software. After 10 years the car company decides to shut down the software and now you cant even start your car anymore."Car companies wish so hard they could do this. In fact they can just shut down cars remotely
>>737412120Yes
>>737413721Explain how i'm incorrect then.
Sorry Ya k but you WILL have consumer rightsYou WILL be forced to own things you buyYour corpos WILL NOT be allowed to fuck you overAnd there is NOTHING you can do about it!
>>737414594I don't want to carry a brick that pulls my pants down just so a bunch of stingy boomers and Louis Rossmann watching neckbeards can use the same grimy phone for 15 years.
>>737415015Cool it with the antisemitism.
15 And they came unto Brussels: and Ross went into the Parliament, and began to cast out the claims of them that sold games yet left them to die, and overthrew the words of publishers, and the assurances of them that sold licenses as though they were ownership;16 And would not suffer that any man should pass off a purchase as a thing enduring, when it was bound to servers that might be shut at their pleasure.17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not reason that what is bought should remain? but ye have made it a den of vanishing games; and he spake of the movement called Stop Killing Games, that the works be preserved and left playable.18 And the publishers and their advocates heard it, and sought how they might oppose him: for they feared him, because many that heard were stirred, and gave heed unto his doctrine.
>>737415038No.
>>737414941I don't give two fucks if 20 of those games are Concord. I don't think it's a good excuse to allow companies do that whenever they goddamn please. Eventually something you'll enjoy will have this horseshit.
>>737415037Do you think phones don't have batteries right now or something?What makes you think they'll be heavier if you can replace batteries?
>>737414306Good, phones are way too fucking thin and light these days.
>>737414594You should do it every 2 years to keep any semblance of status and not be looked at as a beggar
>>737415080What retard plays a game that requires online connection to even start and expects it to work forever?
>>737415107Lmao this anon needs to change his phone every 2 years to remain relevant.
>>737415107Fuck that.Spare a quarter?
>>737411302Games shouldn't be services, so no, you don't understand their reasoning
>muh service irrelevant, if those with power say it's a product then it's a product no matter how much you kvetch about it
>push consumers so far against you that they become communistsIt's your own fault, and now you won't stop crying. You corpos made this bed, now sleep in it fools.
>>737413854This, Tesla has engaged in remotely bricking perfectly working cars constantly without reimbursing the owner, if people wanted to throw a class action lawsuit at them, they'd be completely fucked over by the judicial system.
>>737415241Large corporations often hire dozens of lawyers to identify even the smallest ambiguities in the law so they can use them to their advantage.
>>737415157A retard who thinks that they won't shove this into every game.
>>737411047I want SKG to fail because Ross simply looks like an unkempt hobo that needs a haircut and a shave
>>737415295Where is the communism in wanting your private property to be protected?
>>737414837I have no idea. Plenty of developers give you the tools for making dedicated servers.Only the greediest fuckers don't.Which is why we need to regulate them.
>>737415038>NOOOOOOO MY CIRCUSES
>>737415157Anyone who's bought games 20 to 30 years ago that are only enjoyable online that still have private dedicated servers today?
>>737415356Hey, it's either bread and circuses or we're dusting off the ol' guillotine. Your call.
>>737415353I'm just using their own words against them. If they thinks its communism, then there is nothing that is going to change their mind. They just don't understand why people are in favor for this so badly because of their own foolish actions.
>>737415401>ol' guillotineYeah kill whitey and import niggers. Oh wait..
>>737413923Iphones in the US use USB because of the EU regulations. Manufacturers don't bother making two totally different products just to rip off burgers.
>>737415417Rookie mistake, never adopt the framework of the enemy.
>>737415354I don't know if that screenshot is recent, but it's grim. Most of those games came out over a decade ago.
>>737415315what a good thing then that the EU has a track record of closing every loophole they can find and punishing you for using it then
>>737415460Ark isn't in the list and that came out 9 years ago
>>737415503Care to post an example?
>>737411302The SKG r*ddit and d*scord didn't like this one.
>Gaymen forums and the chans, late 2000s-early 2010s>Anti consumer shit happens whether it's selling parts of games as DLC, microtransactions, online only bullshit, local multiplayer gone, digital game ownership, replacement of dedicated servers for matchmaking bullshit, etc etc>Everyone and his mother is in opposition except for some trolling retard in the corner maybe>Fast forward to the mid 2020s>Boot licking, "that's commie shit" "think of the poor corporations and publishers that will have to provide services 50 years later", "I don't buy those so it doesn't affect me" "you never owned anything ever technically so why do you care"
>>737415758Quit bitching abut your ubishit mmo shutting down.
>>737415084Because you need the connectors and shape the battery and shell less efficiently so that it can be removed, are you retarded?
>>737415758It's what happens when you raise a generation in a world where the abuse is commonplace.They don't know what it's like to live without a boot on your neck, they think it's weird.
>>737415758>words words wordsTell me one title that's worth saving.
>>737415821>They don't know what it's like to live without a boot on your neckSo you were forced to buy the mmo license?
>>737415860All of them. Art should not be destroyed just because I don't like it or care for it.
>>737415890Name one (1) game that isn't preserved.>Artlol, lmao even
>ok we'll look into this initiative>wait so why are you calling games ''services'' while selling them as goods?>why do you ask for a initial 80$ price for a ''service''>why does this service come on a disk or require a download>why isnt your service working properly when you offer it? why does it need tons of fixes on release>why dont you offer proper customer support and refunds on your service?>speaking of services, the way this service looks looks a awful lot like gambling>why arnt you following gambling laws?and so on and so onUbisoft (and every other publisher) have been riding a very thin line in selling videogames as goods but reaping all the benefits of providing a service, SKG is going to force them to define what the product is and what standards its supposed to upholdthey are deadly afraid and will try and do anything to discredit the movement, dont be surprised if the articles about trannies recieving death threats from SKG start appearing
>>737411254*capitalist propagandaThe whole thing is about giving ownership.
>>737415821You're wasting all this effort and time solving a problem nobody gives a genuine practical fuck about solely just to feel good about yourself that you did something. You spend every waking moment of your life shitting on always-online games because of all the scummy practices that inherently find themselves into these very games, making them by nature low quality garbage, but you'll also make the argument they all deserve to be saved???
>>737415860One?Actually all of them. Everything should be preserved to remind people of what -not- to do as well.If all the dogshit games of 20 to 40 years ago were destroyed on the basis that they're not worth playing, we'd lose quite a bit of entertainment. I want to save Concord. I want to resurrect it and remind people decades later. Bazz will not stop.
>>737415938Yes, art. All games are art. Doesn't matter if it's political art, doesn't matter if it's shit, doesn't matter if it's a flash game made by a 10 year old or a AAA slopfest, it's art regardless, and deserves to exist, especially for those in the future to look through the good and the bad and to understand how we got there. Stop bootlicking you fucking faggot, games are going to stop being killed and there's nothing you retards can do about it.
>>737415890>some microtransaction-laden Ubisoft pile of crap that died almost as quickly as I just found out it even existed>art
>>737416012It's not about whether games deserve to be saved, it's about our right to keep the property we bought.
>>737416048Yes. It's art. Not good art, but it's art. Quality doesn't matter.
>>737416037Games are games, not art.
>>737416024Explain very clearly how the industry will forget Concord now that it's taken offline, as opposed to resurrecting it in some zombie server that nobody will play, effectively rendering it dead and in the same state as having no server at all anyway. Do we need to regularly drop nukes on countries to remind people about Nagasaki?
>>737411825governments already interfere with games you stupid retard. why do you think every single game that connects online is forced to present you with 300,000 words and you skipping it all and lying by selecting you read it all and agree.
>>737416086Games are art. Movies are art. Music is art. Paintings are art. Toys are art, human performances are art, animal performances are art.
>>737416167Games are gameplay loops. Now one (1) game that isn't preserved.
>>737411047>Even boomers who never even played games understand the issue better than most corporate cock suckersThe thing is, this is where SKG gets genuinely dangerous. It might hit shit like SaaS and scummy business practices in the car industry.And if it does go far enough to touch cars, then lobbyists will do their best to kill it.
>>737415997I'm pleasantly surprised there hasn't been a concerted media push to paint SKG as the new Gamergate boogieman. Perhaps they were content to let it die quietly then Thor inadvertently saved it and it was too late to act.
>>737416292>paint SKG as the new Gamergate boogiemanIt wouldn't work this time around because everyone under 60 hates journalists, and mainstream media in general.In all honesty, SKG is harmless enough to serve as a distraction to other, worse shit that's going on.
>>737416130>Do we need to regularly drop nukes on countries to remind people about Nagasaki?You know, given the current state of things...Anyways, the industry has already forgotten a lot of things without taking them offline at all already.In any case having access to it on a mechanical level rather than some footage by a bunch of streamers that could be taken down at any minute can be certainly be more useful than relying on a vocal group of people saying "this game sucked dick".
Does anyone have a link to that over version of 4chanX? The one that lets you play files with sound in them and all that? I used to have it but I switched PC and now can't find itThanks
>>737416214Darkspore. Not a good game. Art worth preserving. Gameplay loops are art. Stop typing, retard. Go suck some more corpo cocks you unimaginable faggot.
>>737411047>even boomers whounlike america, europe is not a gerontocracy. or at least not as much as
>>737416437>Login and registration of users>Editing heroes (WIP)>Entering levels (WIP)https://github.com/vitor251093/resurrection-capsule/releases/tag/v0.7.2
>>737416012>nobody gives a genuine practical fuckI give more than a genuine practical fuck you retard.I want the software I bought with my money to keep being usable without fear the corporation might some time in the future shut it down for no reason.This is not an issue solely with games. Adobe do that, Microsoft do that, Autodesk do that, and fuck knows how many more companies.Thsi subscription nightmare needs to end. I want my fucking software to not have an expiration date and to not depend to an internet connection.
>>737416414just get sound player
Do retards really not know about local servers or offline patches?
>>737413063>Thanks for hiring TreeLoppers And Co!>So here's the deal, you pay us once and we will chop some amount of trees down>Huh? How many? Who knows! Could be one, could be a hundred!>Scam? Who's the scammer here!? It's not a scam if we tell you you're being scammed in fine print, you...You...GOY!
>>737416637No. That dysgenic faggot ross has been bitching about the crew, even though the game has had a private server since 2023.
>>737413357Nigger if you go to a concert and they have no deadline for when the show is over, and they only play a single song before packing their bags, yes you can likely sue them.
>>737416214Litteral shit in a can is art.Trying to argue x isnt art is pointless because artists and art crticis have been so far up their own ass for so long that everything is art at this point.Again, shit in a can is considered art, trying to argue that games are not just shows how little you know about art
>>737416695Games are purpose built engines that let you engage in and preform gameplay loops.
>>737416223>then lobbyists will do their best to kill it.We are taking about the EU here, they accepted a law that banned all non electric car production by 2030, car lobbysts aint doing shit.
Indian shill working overtime for corporate greed
>>737416771Sorry streetshitter, but you're not entitled to mmo server binaries. Not just because you don't own the ip, but also also because the server stack contains licensed middleware.
>>737416771The jamboy really needs the dough.
>>737416721And shit in a can is shit in a can, both are still art you absolute drooling retard
>>737416445just say oligarchy and stop trying too hard to sound educated
>>737416805Too bad faggot. You're going to have to give me that if you want that juicy 50 billion EU gaming market :)
>>737415363Oh so you mean you don’t need a whole movement to create a private server that either nobody or 5 autists can use?
>>737416827Go watch your jewtubers and streamers play vidya games, cuck.
>>737412120Yes.
>>737414837>Give me a single argument as to why server hosting tools couldn't be released to the public after a service has endedThe argument that corponiggers use is>If you can continue playing Game 1, you won't need to buy Game 2, therefore you may no longer play Game 1, in the hopes you will buy Game 2
>>737416842Sorry jeet, but you're gonna have to learn2code and reverse engineer the server stacks from scratch in order to play services such as mmos.
>>737415161The same way I whiten my teeth, buy new clothes and hair products yeah. I’m not interested in being an outcast or even average desu.
>>737416884>whiten my teethWhy would anyone do this
>>737415157>What retard plays a game that requires online connection to even start and expects it to work forever?The retard who didn't notice the % of games with exactly that rises each year, so once it reaches 100% what fucking game do you intend on playing new?
>>737416848I dont and even if I did what would that have to do with the definition of art and you being so out of touch with "art" that you dont even know what a monumental shitshow modern art is?>Games arent artShit in a can is art so games are art>go watch youtubersGet a grip jeetGPT
>>737416847It wouldn't be needed, if these games released today similarly had those tools
>>7374166831) the crew is just an example that it can and will happen2) that shit is illegal by current law3) one of SKG's aims is to make that project either unnecessary or legally authorized
>>737416762Car lobbyists made the law into what it is.Actually read what is being banned and what the exemptions are, "all non-electric cars banned" makes for a good headline, but these things are far more complicated and the automotive industry has still a huge lever.For instance, the (entire) domestic industry needs to cut net emissions by 90%, which can be achieved through offsets and is a weasly metric anyway. Hybrids are fine, biofuels are fine too.It's always very technical, very complex and the carmakers generally get what they want. It's not like they haven't been pursuing EVs and hybrids already. It's a far more protectionist law than you think.
>>737416874Maybe... just maybe they could make Game 2 better or worth playing over Game 1? Weird concept I know
>>737416921It made my smile better
i still think the movement is flawed & retarded fundamentally and literally nobody has ever been able to counter any of my objection.>What if a server depends on proprietary / licensed code? then the company cant just release it to consumers in code or even binary form.>What if a server heavily depends on third party services?>What if the game studio is indie / small and simply dont have the expertise to package the server in a universally runnable way?usually when i bring these issues up people retreat to claiming the movement is actually not about that its just about making it illegal for a game studio to shut down a few months after selling copies of the game, however you forget that there are already EU consume protection laws against those scenarios.
>>737416832are you a retard? those two aren't even comparableeveryone knows congress is full of geriatrics to the point of it being nicknamed a retirement facility
>>737413063Any service being sold under the European law forces the company to state when said service expires.Where's the Crew end date?
>>737416832I just fucking hate old people.People who will be in the grave in 10 years have no business running a country.
>>737417021Just be yourself.
>>737417020>Maybe... just maybe they could make Game 2 better or worth playing over Game 1?Corponigger response would be>We made players have such a high expectation due to Game 1 and it's DLC's/battlepasses/etc/whatever that Game 2 will never be able to compete, therefore Game 1 has to be shut down to promote Game 2.
>>737416945>I dont and even if I didSure you don't.
>>737417031You don't need the server, just let the users host locally.
>>737411047That's already happening.
>>737417078that wold mean putting the server in the client / on the consumers device. It does not mean you dont need the server.
>>737417047I do these things primarily for my own ego to be fed so don’t worry about that.
>>737416979>2) that shit is illegal by current lawHosting the reverse engineered server emulator source code isn't.
>>737417031>What if a server depends on proprietary / licensed code?All code is proprietary, the fucking game itself is as well lmao.>What if a server heavily depends on third party services?Strip them out then, nobody needs fecal matter nutrient detection systems in the server because they wanted to datamine everything from their users jej.>>What if the game studio is indie / small and simply dont have the expertise to package the server in a universally runnable way?If you can develop a game you can make a portable server, fucking teenagers can pull that shit off. Also why is your midget studio making live service games anyways?
>>737417070Another thing is that they could just make it different.Holy shit how did the CoD series survive then? Some people preferred the older games, but they weren't always "the previous entry". Some liked black ops, some liked modern warfare. Even today you'll find people playing on pirated servers for different entries on those. It's not like the existence of those has killed latter entries. It's almost like up until 2010 online multiplayer games weren't profitable. They got used to fleecing customers so much they think that's the bare minimum now (and unfortunately their avid customers think as much because they're fucking retards with their money)
>>737416884Don't worry, if you actually need to remind yourself to do all that you're way below average.
>>737417180>up until 2010 online multiplayer games weren't profitableHow do you intend to prove this baseless claim?
>>737411047How is it possible that only one region in this world is good and everyone else is just pure evil?
>>737417019Suuure man, thats why its getting delayed to 2035 now, and will get delayed again.EU polititards just thought everyone would swap over to electric cars, the got fucked by china and then fucked again by losing "green" russian gas then fucked again by the iran war.This is not a case of car lobbysts doing work, they dont have that much influence (especially because of how the EU parliment works), its a case of politicians being retards and jumping on the green energy wagon and it taking 2 wars and the entire economy deindustrializing to realize that it might have been a bad idea.
>>737417180>Holy shit how did the CoD series survive then? What do you mean? You can't play the older ones anymore especially with all their players moving to 'the next thing' lmao.
>>737417031Then maybe those game studios shouldn't exist?Just apply to a job at Ubisoft if you want to make games.
>>737417180>It's almost like up until 2010 online multiplayer games weren't profitable.You're a total retard.
>>737417230I don't have to, they'd have to, to justify their actions.
>>737417035a gerontocracy already is an oligarchy by definition you fucking retard "not even comparable" typical /v/irgin that uses words they don't understand
>>737417278Ok I have a feeling people are reading this shit wrong.That's not -my- fucking claim.
>>737417165>All code is proprietary, the fucking game itself is as well lmao.no the fuck it isn't retard, lmao. You are confusing it with copyright ownership which is given to the author upon creation. That does not mean code cannot be licensed to others under conditions. In fact all third party code IS.>Strip them out then, nobody needs fecal matter nutrient detection systems in the server because they wanted to datamine everything from their users jej.*heavily depends* implies it cannot function without these services. >If you can develop a game you can make a portable serverspoken like a retad who has no fucking experience. MANY game devs are not experts in networking or low level programming or anything outside of their little game engines.
>>737417192A faggot like you has never spent time with above average people so don’t know that this is what they all do.
>What if a server depends on proprietary / licensed code? then the company cant just release it to consumers in code or even binary form. Pick one or more>EU regulation provides a defence to liability to the company complying with the law>Third parties realise their middleware needs to be remade with public release in mind, which may include having a separate offline equivalent>New middleware competitors enter the market offering third party services that comply with EU regulation; game devs use that software>What if the game studio is indie / small and simply dont have the expertise to package the server in a universally runnable way? Trolling. Live service architecture in inherently much more complicated than p2p or offline architecture. Besides, this sort of argument is equivalent to saying "what if indie games don't have the resources and expertise to make a good game?" Then they financially fail. Happens all the time. You have to have skills to cut it in this industry.
>>737417280>I don't have toThen we can dismiss that claim as false.Thanks for confirming it's not true.
>>737411189The most retarded excuse ever produced, go fuck yourself corporate shill
>>737417071At least you stopped trying to pretend you know anything about art you fucking mongoloid, enjoy the pity (You), its the most you will ever achive in life.
>>737417350Draw harder.
>>737417275you're right also lets just make it illegal to charge for games, that would be great wouldn't it?whats that? oh most games wouldn't be made if that was teh case? well fuck em they shouldn't exist anyway
>>737411254It has nothing to do with communism, shithead
>>737417273You can right now play COD4, 5, modern warfare 2, 3, black ops 1, 2, 3. You just don't have official servers or a high population of players.
>>737417380SKGfags will ask for these games to be populated with bots online so they can actually be good for once
>>737417031If you can't give paying customers access to the server binaries to run their own servers to continue playing the game they paid for without your close supervision, then you need to sell your game as a service and not a product.Do that instead of trying to hide inside of a quantum legal gray zone where you act like you're both simultaneously selling a product and a service while only following the regulations that benefit you the most.It's that simple.
>>737417031>What if>What if>What ifMiddleware/third party/service providers would obviously have to modify their products to include an end-of-life plan, it wouldn't rely on game devs.And if they don't want to do that then their product won't be EU compliant and game devs will look at other providers.
>>737417304>MANY game devs are not experts in networking or low level programming or anything outside of their little game engines.Yes, all these small indie studios making live service GAAS that wont work without a connection to their servers.This is a very realistic scenario that is totally happening all the time.
>>737417158It will take you thousands of dollars and several months to prove it against the big ass company with a legal department ready to go into a legal battle of atrition against you.Copyright holders can't lose a game in which you can't participate.
>>737417380But nobody does play them, but that's fine because you CAN play them.
>>737417332The point is they'd raise the bar higher there. I'm not saying myself they weren't profitable, far from that. They'd just claim they weren't, on the basis that now there's the microtransaction retardation, the "one entry a year keep the goyim in fear", battle passes and all of that other stupid nonsense.
>>737417371It literally is though.>company provides you a service in exchange for recompense (capitalism)>you demand the government provide you this service for free (communism)Which of these is SKG advocating for? The latter. It's literally a campaign to force companies to release their games for free.
>>737417243We were super evil up until about a century ago when we were suddenly like "dude, being evil sucks." The rest of the world will reach that same conclusion eventually.
>>737411047No need to imagine that shit afaik some people having issue starting their teslas the very same reason lmao
>>737417330>>EU regulation provides a defence to liability to the company complying with the lawso all a game would have to do to get around the requirement is depend on licensed code>>Third parties realise their middleware needs to be remade with public release in mind, which may include having a separate offline equivalentah yes every single software library in the world just have to rework their licensing. I'm sure they'll all do that.>>New middleware competitors enter the market offering third party services that comply with EU regulation; game devs use that softwareand how long do you expect this to take? my whole point with the objections isn't that its impossible to make a self-hosted game just that it is a much MUCH bigger ask than you let on. And its simply not worth it.>Live service architecture in inherently much more complicated than p2p or offline architecture.you dont know what you are talking about.
>>737417456Prove what, that you can legally reverse engineer server stacks from scratch and host it on github? Whats stopping you from cloning, compiling and running a server emulator on localhost again?
>>737417491Not really, Europe has always been the least evil, going back thousands of years
>SKG will kill gachas/MMO/whatever>SKG will force devs to maintain servers of dead/concordlike games at gunpoint>SKG will force devs into releasing their source codesNo it won't. It will simply force publishers to clearly inform EU costumers beforehand they're pursaching a temporal service, not a product, and when it will end.The only ones that'll get hurt are jewish companies like Ubislop that shit down single player games to force their costumers into buying new stuff.
>>737417432>then you need to sell your game as a service and not a productthey do. Thats why you are only sold a license to run the game. This is what SKG want to make illegal.
>>737417293what nogerontocracy is where the old rule countryan oligarchy is a where the rich rule the countryyou fucking moron
I don't get how people can wail and bitch about this shit as if it's some impossible task when private wow servers have been a thing since forever. Just strip out the online store and place a strict clause to not allow paid services on the private server and you're golden.
@737411254stale pasta, no (you) for you
>>737417442SKG makes this sound like its an easy engineering task but you are literally talking about forcing EVERY third party software vendor to rewrite their licensing. Not to mention it doens't address my two other objections.>>737417449it literally is
>>737417473And why on earth would the EU care about an american videogame publisher saying "but if you pass this law we will be less profitable!"?The solution is just not make your single player game always online, easy as that.>oh no but then people might cheat engine in currency we want to sell insteadLitterally who cares?
>>737417306Yes I do. Everyone does it unconsciously because for everyone else is the norm.The fact that you feel the need to raise it in an anonymous basket weaving forum suggests that, for you, it isn’t natural or automatic.If you really were a well adjusted member of society, those things wouldn't even register as something special worth mentioning, because they would've been ingrained in your behaviour.But you thought about it, which proves you HAVE to remind yourself to do all that, which proves you're trying to fit in a circle you don't belong.You're an outcast, and you will always be. No matter how much you try.
>>737417527Other people being evil doesn’t mean we weren’t. You should try to make the case our actions were morally good which only schizos would agree with
>>737417530Subscriptions come with their own set of laws and regulations that must be adhered to. If devs want to let me cancel my game after beating it in one day for a 95% refund, go ahead.
>>737413497There are still phones being made with removal batteries people can buy if they want, why is consumer choice so offensive to European statist cucks
I would be happy, but i know that it's just a small part in total entertainment censorship and internet regulation
>>737415037Use a belt, wigger
>>737417465Oh no, some people do. These are after all different than the latest entries. Zombies now is not the exact same as zombies that many years ago. Some people enjoy playing these on a private server with their friends every once in a while instead of the new thing.The point is they're setting things up so this cannot be done in the future at all. Like "it sucks to be you, either spend $100 on the newest entry which isn't like the one you and your buddies liked or get absolutely fucked because not enough people can justify the existence of these servers".Honestly it sounds as though the tools, just the fucking server hosting tools, take too much time and effort to leave accessible, otherwise why would they fucking care if some autist played a 20 year old game with 3 fucking people.
>>737415442>Manufacturers don't bother making two totally different products just to rip off burgersNintendo will only release the removable battery switch 2 in the EU, so they actually do thougheverbeit.
>>737417530games already do inform you that you are already purchasing a licensethey dont inform you when they will shutdown (because they dont know) but EU consumer protection laws already exist such that if they shutdown very soon after a purchase they have to provide a refund
>>737417621At what point did they start making phones where you can't remove the battery?
>>737417606Even if I’m mentally an outcast what does it matter when well adjusted normies get worse treatment than me and worship me? Also most normies aren’t doing what I do
>>737417530>skg kills gacha and mmosBased>skg will force condorlike games at gunpointBased humiliation ritual on kusodevs>skg will force devs into releasing their source codesAbsolutely based.You must be a moron if you are against this shit
>>737417612>see the term "least evil" stated clearly>UHH, WE WERE EVIL THOUGH?Reading comprehension
>>737417570Sure, name one small idie game making a GAAS and I will show you a retard.
>>737417618>sell literal subscriptionlike service>WTF I HAVE TO FOLLOW SUBSCRIPTION LAWS???Yes
>>737417695you cant imagine a single indie studio, some retard who made an online unity game, who has followed some tutorial on how to make it connect to a backend, doesn't know how to do anything else?
>>737417689You responded least evil to someone saying Europe was evil without the word least or most mentioned. I’m assuming you didn’t do well in English lessons? What language do you speak?
>>737417561>when private wow serversStock WoW server emulators are original server stacks made from scratch. It's all original code made from guesswork such as worldoflogs and studying the client api itself. >Just strip out the online store andAin't no one replacing and writing new code to replace pieces of an mmo server stack of a dying mmo just to give it out for free, and ain't no one doing it because the demand for an mmo can get high enough to justify a classic rerelease.
>>737411189Stop Killing Games isn't asking for publishers to continue supporting unprofitable games forever. Here's what they actually want publishers to do: >distribute patches at EOL for internet-connected single player games so they don't have to phone home. >make EOL plans and create the systems and software required for the customer to support multiplayer games after EOL. >That means dedicated servers, peer to peer connections, even just disabling the countermeasures that prevent the centralized servers from being spoofed. As long as the game remains mostly playable after EOL, even if it takes some reverse engineering work to make it possible. This doesn't apply retroactively, no games currently in development will be subject to these requirements, they will only apply to games that begin development AFTER the law goes into effect.
I can't post it because blue board, but basically it's a corpo dick going into the consumer's ass while the EU is trying to hold the corpo back and the corpo is shouting "Help! I'm being oppressed by government overreach!"
>>737416878>indians are the ones advocating for... owning thingssevere mental retardation
>>737417758>We were super evil>we were the least evil>UHHH, YOU RESPONDED TO A POST THAT DIDN'T SAY MOST OR LEASTBut it did say "super evil", which is what I was countering. To be "super evil" is to be more evil than standard, and Europe certainly wasn't outstanding in this regard, quite the contrary.Feel free to continue your feeble attempts at insulting me, I will no longer waste my time on you.
>>737417749So you cant name one? Good to know that your retarded hypotethical scenario that doesnt exist and isnt relevant to reality is just that.If an idie dev decicides to make their game always online for no reason then they are retarded and deserve to be fucked in the ass like the fucking faggot they are
>>737417838You don't own the mmo, saar.
>>737411303So would this require all console only games to have PC ports?
>>737417663>they dont inform you when they will shutdown (because they dont know)Then all they have to do is to follow the law and add an approximated date. That way late consumers won't get screwed.
>>737417785Then just charge users for the server tools if they want to host their own after the game has gone EOS. These aren't hard options to implement.
>>737417907>just keep paying for middleware licenses>just give mmo server binaries to p2w private servers that want to go around copyright and child online safety lawsJust learn2code.
>>737417857One Hour One Lifeyou are genuinely stupid by the way
>>737417827It's daunting how many people fell for the "oh you want to have publishers provide endless support for a 60 dollar game" thing and still think this
>>737417887late consumers already dont get screwed because they get a refund. And game studios dont know an approximate date either. Its pretty impossible to know these things, as it depends on popularity & profitability & such.
How will this save Ukraine
All I know is that if the EU like it and the US and American companies oppose it, I should oppose it.
>>737418023You’re either black, hispanic or indian so we don’t care
>>737417531a license that you get from signing a contract that's basically null because it either breaks the law or asks you to sign away a right that you can't legally sign away.also, where the fuck is the start & end date of the license they gave me? that isn't very service-like to give me zero information on the when and how of the EOL of a service, only telling me it'll "be gone when it's gone"there's no such thing as insurance or any other service that arbitrarily starts and ends at a company's discretion. not in a first world country.
>>737415808Hey moron, the Xperia Arc came out 15 years ago, had removable batteries, and is lighter and thinner than most phones today. Sit the fuck down and shut your mouth.
>>737417872That's increasingly less of a problem (except for Sony who's now reverting their decision to port shit to PC).But there's no reason why you couldn't host a server accessible from a console release. In fact some people already do this with older games on older consoles (a lot more of a difficult thing though being that there's no official method). These servers you're playing on console games are not hosted on consoles.
>>737418023serf mentality
>>737417964Add in clauses into an agreement that strictly prevent server hosters from implementing paid services into it. >You pay X amount to purchase the tools to host a private server for said game>You must pay for the server costs yourself>You cannot monetize any aspect of the server under any circumstance >Doing so can risk termination of agreement and leave you liable for litigation Easy, done, solved. Only point of contention would be allowing donations strictly for the purposes of server upkeep but outside that it can be done.
>>737418057>also, where the fuck is the start & end date of the license they gave me?The monthly subscription fees or when the game is bleeding player you get a notice that the servers will shut down in a day/s, month/s, year/s.
>>737418023It has become that way, hasn't it? I can't think of a single decision made by US actors this past year and a half that I agreed with.
>>737411254>Raises hand and nodsHear!
>>737418075What's the battery capacity compared to a sealed phone of the same weight?
>>737418057>a license that you get from signing a contract that's basically null because it either breaks the law or asks you to sign away a right that you can't legally sign away.this is just not true. The license you are given is perfectly legally valid.>also, where the fuck is the start & end date of the license they gave me?there is none. That is not a legal requirement of a license.>that isn't very service-like to give me zero information on the when and how of the EOL of a servicebecause they dont know when they'll shut down. see >>737418001>there's no such thing as insurance or any other service that arbitrarily starts and ends at a company's discretionthere are many such services lol
Will this destroy gacha games?
>>737416003Commies also believe in ownership so long as the power to revoke it is centered around the government.
>>737418089Paid mtx are not a core part of the server stack. Middleware isn't easily solved, that's why enterprise middleware is licensed. Ain't no one wasting time writing inhouse solutions and ain't no one giving you the mmo server stack for free.
>>737414512>12 yearsImpressive. My last phone (pic related) lasted lasted 9. I still miss it ;_;>oftenDepends on whether you're a mobile techlet like me or not. My current phone (oneplus) is running android 11 and the latest is what, 15? Eventually apps will require android 12+ and I have no idea if I even can update the oneplus android fork to a newer version or if it's baked into the phone.
>>737414306>MAINTAIN THE 3G NETWORK FOR MEEEEEE
It is truly impressive how American corporations have successfully brainwashed Americans into actively defending trampling of all their rights in the name of corporate interest, from which they get nothing but more trampling of their rights and freedoms. While simultaneously touting how free they are just because they can say "nigger" but still get the feds visiting them if they get too free in what they say, and can own guns, with even more restrictive and fucktarded gun laws than some European countries.
>>737418170The Gacha market in the EU is microscopic, so I can see a future where Japan/China/South Korea decide to just cut support entirely in the EU.
>>737416214Nakayoshi Chao! by SEGA. Find me a working version of it, even emulated. Go on, you stupid piece of shit.
>>737418391>b-b-but why would you defend billionaires if you're not even a billionaire??!!!
>>737418391All of american society, since its inception, is built upon complete ignorance of every aspect of society. I can only look at what the founding fathers had envisioned and weep.
>Hear about for months that the EU will be a bunch of old people who don't know what a video game is.>Watch the hearing>Mostly middle aged people who either play based PC games, used to play games back in the 80's/90's or have kids that play gamesI for one am shocked, politics is usually an old fart's game.
>>737418170Considering a parliament member, that guy with a mustache, was talking about how he thought it'd be unfair if the thousands of dollars he's given to his kiddos to buy Fortnite skins was completely wasted if the game permanently shutdown (despite SKG not being about that), probably.Even if it doesn't, whatever parliament will try to push is going to provide a legal framework for other countries to copy and ream uppity gacha companies.
>>737418454All the old people got the coof and died. My old people included. It's a brave new world out there. I miss my old people.
>>737415758It's almost like corporate spent that decade studying online trends and chan culture and realized it can be used as cheap propaganda tools.>>737415860Every single title someone paid for.
>>737418454The next few decades are going to be wild with more Gen X and Millennial politicians coming through the ranks with political power.
>>737418418Find the game rom and use a java phone emulator like KEmulator, dipshit.
Where is the muslim subhuman?
>>737418454>I for one am shocked, politics is usually an old fart's game.For some reason the EU Parliament is still not taken as seriously as it should be so the old farts are mostly active in national politics. That means the candidates in EU elections are most often a bunch of literally who so the end result is what you described (this is a good thing).
why is the EU so turbo based?is this why technocrats and billionaires want to destroy it?
>>737418075>>737418160Since you're not rushing to respond, I checked myself. Xperia Arc weighs 117 grams and the battery is 1500 mAh.This is some random ass phone I found on gsmarena.
>>737417965I will give no shits if this game dies, neither is there any indication that it would be impossible for the devs to let people host their own servers.You are a braindead corpo cocksucker trying to excuse publisher making single player games always online so they could sell you microtransactions, go jump off a cliff you absolute waste of oxygen
>>737418597They do want to destroy it, but it's mostly out of petty spite.
>>737416292If I remember correctly when initiative reached its' goal there was some schizophrenic on twitter calling it a second gamergate or something along those lines. Either a journo or someone with ties to the industry, screenshot was posted once in a while in these threads.
>>737414997They absolutely fucking can now. They're slowly yet steadily pushing the envelope until it gets so normalized nobody fights back against them
>>737418647That was Chet, an ex-writer at Valve.He went off the deep end hard.
>>737418162>That is not a legal requirement of a license.Yes it is.Its either a perpetual license or a license with a specific end date that has to be known at the moment that you are purchasing the license.
>>737418626hey im curious about something, can you tell me what it would feel like if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>737418690anon you cant just make shit up on the internet who do you think you are
>>737411884brown hands wrote this post
>>737411047How is this gonna work if I have bought in-game skins in the game, are they gonna provide a server and a database with all skins unlocked for everyone?
>>737418761>You're lying! AI said so!This is what happens when jeets try to speak about western laws
>>737418391Embarassed millionaire syndrome can really wreck a country.>I need these oppressive systems in place for when I eventually become a rich member of the elite, so I can take advantage of people
>>737416470good morning saarNice try, but fan projects like that are subject to takedown by whoever owns the IP. An actually preserved game isn't.
>>737418817It's a mindset that confuses me, because it just reveals that most people are willing to fuck over their fellow man if given the choice.
>>737418802>OH NO NOW I LOOK LIKE A MASSIVE FAGGOT!
>>737418761>>737418802It needs more context to output a proper answer.
>>737411254America is a welfare state for corporations, it's closer to communism than this
>>737418726>eating breakfastConsoomer behavior, just eat lunch and maybe dinner if you went to the gym that day, dont need 3 meals a day.Also I have no sympathy for greedy retards, they can either make their games not function without their servers (its easier to make a fully offline game than it is to implenet any sort of online functionality) or they can eat shit and die, I wouldt piss on these shitstains if they were on fire, much less give them money or argue that the ecosystem they want is in any way good.
>Ctrl+f "Amazon", "Luna">0 resultsSo that's why this thread has 300+ replies, nobody called the corpocucks out for defending fucking Bezos
>>737418075The Xperia Arc has also a tiny screen compared to most phones today
>>737418858In this world, are you surprised? Half of the countries on earth are ruled by a certain group of people who made their job to not only screw over their fellow man, but will literally screw over God himself with technicalities. >I didn't sin, the chicken did>I'm not going outside, there's a wire around the city, that counts as being indoors>I didn't press the elevator to go up, I asked someone else to do itAnd no, I'm not making any of this up.
>>737418846>Nice try, but fan projects like that are subject to takedownNo they're not you retarded streetshitter. What's illegal is hosting public private servers, but hosting the reverse engineered server emulator source code on git services or compiling and playing on the localhost isn't.
>>737418864no need to quote what you just said out loud irl anon
>>737417020Oy vey, cut it with the anti semitism. Making Game 2 better would require effort, and efforts costs money! Think of the poor shareholders!
>>737418928I've heard about the first and third, but not the second, which small hat law was that?
>>737418865anon if it really were the case then every games purchase in existane would be legally invalid. Do you not think, idk, someone would have thought about this before?There is no requirement for a license to have a time frame. The only requirement is that the terms are clear & that both parties agree.
>>737418950>No they're not you retarded streetshitter.Yes they are jeetGPT, they are in viloation of IP laws, its just bad PR to go after them so only companies who dont care about PR like Activision and Nintendo do it.
>>737419003No, shitskin.
>>737418928the sabbath light switch still makes me chuckle to this day. the general hubris they have in thinking they're totally fooling their God and won't be punished for breaking his laws is also endlessly amusing.
>>737418979>Do you not think, idk, someone would have thought about this before?They didnt because it was understood that games are purchased, sold and owned commodities, products. This whole "Nuh uh, they're licenses! You dont own them!" retardation is purely american
>>737418973Quick summup.
>>737419075>They didnt because it was understood that games are purchased*misunderstood, maybe. Every game sold in the last decades have made you agree to their licence terms which explicitly tells you they are ONLY selling you a license to play.
>>737418979Thats what a perpetual license is you fucking brainlet.And no, perpetual does not mean they have to keep supporting it, updating it or anything at all really.And yes, most game ToS are in fact not legally binding and depending on the region a lot of games could count as illegal because the ToS explicity asks you to agree to sign away rights that you cant sign away, which depending on how the law is phrased, could be illegal.
>>737413223The whole point of democracy is exactly to decide upon rights and crimes. Minimal/no government=whoever has the most resources fucking you over. A large part of the purpose of government is to provide consumer/worker protections so this doesn't happen.So, yes, the government absolutely should have a say in how games and everything else is made. If enough people want it, they should have it.
Reminder that corposcum bootlickers wants (You) to forget that Samsung Galaxy S5 was thin, waterproof and had a user removable battery, as the mere existence of this phone invalidates any and all arguments they'll make that "the EU will force phones to be non-waterproof and bulky".It can be done. It has been done. It will be done again. You will never get even a modicum of the money that corposcum you so lovingly defend make, you are the most pathetic invertebrate this world has ever seen, not even suitable as worm food.
>>737419127>made you agree to their licence termsCompletely irrelevant, a company can make the user sign a licensese saying "if you use our product you may die", then still get sued and lose if a user dies because license agreementa and terms of service dont overrule laws.
>>737418928Dont forget the actual religious practice of scapegoating>We have committed sins and our sins need to be punished!>What should we do?>Oh, let's transfer all of our sins onto this innocent goat! >It cant talk back, it's not even going to say no. Thanks for volunteering, goat!>Alright everybody, let's dump the guilt and shame of all of our sins onto this goat!>ritual ends>THIS GOAT IS THE SPAWN OF SATAN! LOOK AT ALL THE SINS ITS CARRYING!!!>GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR HOLY CITY! MAY OUR GOD SMITE YOU WITHOUT ANY MERCY!!!>Alright everyone, now God will look at our completely clean slates and shower us with blessings for being good! God loves us and has no reason to punish us now!
>>737419132>Thats what a perpetual license is you fucking brainlet.no lmao a perpetual llicense is one that is always. The license games give you is one that the company can legally end when they shut the service down.>And yes, most game ToS are in fact not legally bindingit is lmao. Otherwise whats the point, why would they have it? Again you cant just make shit up on the internet.
>>737419235sure?...not *every* licence text is legally valid, but the one game studios give you IS.
>>737419306Nope. Thankfully the EU has consumer protection laws and those always supercede ToS and EULA bullshit. It's why corporations hate them and why they always get sued in the EU.
>>737411254autism or bait call ithttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/00Oilil01il1oIOo01iio1l1l.jpg/
>>737419259>no lmao a perpetual llicense is one that is always.Its really not, you can have a perpetual license that stops working because an OS upgrade broke it or something.You can also have your perpetual license revoked for any number of reasons.The only thing that perpetual license means is that you dont have to renew it, its not a guarateed that the software that the license is for will even work.
>>737419373you are confusing EU consumer protection laws that would make customers who purchased a license near the end of service eligible for a refund, with whether or not a game is allowed to shut down at all.Games ARE allowed to shutdown at any time, this is stated in their terms when you buy the game, and it IS legally valid in the EU. Whether they have to stop selling copied a year before, or simply refund any purchases made a year before shutdown is a seperate thing to whether they are allowed to shutdown at all.
The perpetual delusion of yanks, being brainwashed into thinking they are "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" and thus defending every single corpo abuse they see because they want to be able to abuse others like that if they ever get power themselves, is concerning.
>>737419458>Its really not, you can have a perpetual license that stops working because an OS upgrade broke it or somethingwhat the fuck are you talking about>You can also have your perpetual license revoked for any number of reasons...no, then it wouldn't be perpetual. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/perpetual>The only thing that perpetual license means is that you dont have to renew itanon licenses are not subscription terms
>planned obsolescence is le good
Imagine if GTA IV required the devs/publishers to renew their license every year for the Euphoria engine (primarily their ragdoll physics thing). How would this be solved other than developing an entire replacement after the game sunsets or never using it at all when it was a decent selling point? You probably can't just tear it out without crippling the game severely.
>>737419259>it is lmao. Otherwise whats the point, why would they have it?Yeah sure, Adobe sneaks in "we own all of your money" into their license update, 90% of users wont notice it and now Adobe legally owns everything you own, you think that shit would fly in any court?Goverments like having power and the legal framework is explicity made so that nothing anyone does can overrule what the goverment has decreed by law.There are ton of things ToS and EULA agreents say that are not against the law, those ARE binding, but as soon as its a question of ToS/EULA vs law the law wins every time.
>>737419641>Adobe sneaks in "we own all of your money" into their license updatethat would be an example of something that *isnt* legally enforceable. But again, the terms which game studios puts in their license about their ability to shut down service *is* im done speaking to you you are genuinely braindead
>>737417031Literally all of these are skill issues. Learn a new framework to stay compliant, or perish.
>>737419626I'm not sure what your point is, GTA IV is a game I can continue to play regardless of what Rockstar does with licensing of the middleware. Maybe it will stop being sold, but that's about it, my copy will remain my copy.
>>737419479>with whether or not a game is allowed to shut down at all.How very jewish of you to try confuse the issue with something completely irrelevant yet easier to argue against. >Games ARE allowed to shutdown at any time, this is stated in their terms when you buy the game, and it IS legally valid in the EU.Sure. But the game shutting down cannot deprive the customers who purchased it their ability to play it. Because selligng someone a product, then yanking it away from them because of your issues is illegal. And that's why your beloved corporations keep trying the "it's not a product, it's a license" excuse and why they always get sued in the EU which doesnt put up with that bullshit.
>>737419525Lmao brainlet, do you actually think "perpetual license" as legal terminology has anything to do with what the word "perpetual" means in the dictionary?How fucking naive are you? You know nothing about any of this, fucking mong
>>737419670"For any or no reason" would fall under unfair contractual terms.
>>737419670>that would be an example of something that *isnt* legally enforceableYes, because it goes against the law, are you getting the point yet you subhuman mouthbreather?
>>737418454the thing about europe is that they have countries that are essentially homes for the recently retired so once any one of them reaches that age they just go and live the rest of their lives there where food is good, nature is beautiful, and most important of all; living is cheap as shit
>>737411254I guess this is the babel media narrative now
>>737419626Developers have to deal with that all the time with music licenses, and many of them simply stop selling the game because of that. That has nothing to do with SKG because they don't make bought games unplayable, retard.
>>737419717>>737419721>>737419742>>737419762>NUH UH I DECIDE WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT ISNT NOT THE LAW!!!!!i think you guys have perfectly demonstrated my point about the sorts of people who support SKG
>>737419857Imagine an employment contract had "[Employment] can be terminated for any or no reason".That shit would be plastered everywhere.Or hell, imagine if a concert ticket said that.If "any or no reason" was allowed, then literally every unfair contractual term would be legal.
>>737411047>Stop Killing GoyimIt will never pass. The EU is more worried about monitoring everything you say and do online. This does not help them.
>>737419857>so btfo he's mass replyingHey, retard. You,an indian shill, take cues from a corporate owned american AI on what the EU law dictates. Have SOME self awareness ffs, you're really not doing your corporate overlords any favors
>>737418928QrD on the third one?
>>737419918yes that would be illegal in an employment contract or terms for a concern ticket but a game is a online live service that has upkeep costs. Thats why the law recognizes that they have to be able to shut down eventually.
>>737419986Not allowed to do shit on the sabbath, but goyim can, therefore get goyim to do shit for you on the sabbath.>>737420001"Any or no reason" includes shit outside of that purview you fucking moron.
>>737419958i can tell you're sitting there with tears in your eyes and heart beating right now hahaha
>>737419228It also had micro-usb 3.0, for some reason.I always thought it was dope of them, but never used it since those cables were very rare.
>>737420029>not even trying to hide it anymorePost hand, poojeet.
>>737411254>>737419787It's 100% plant shill by corpos
>>737411825Yeah just leave the decision making to jew oligarchs, that's way better than the government
>>737420024>"Any or no reason" includes shit outside of that purview you fucking moron.*some* kinds of contracts this is illegal, not all. Not including game licenses. Moron.
>>737420132>Using AI"Any or no reason" if taken at face value could mean "any" or "no" reason, which can include shit that is illegal in most countries no matter what context it is in.
>>737420083i love when you've so brutally beaten someone so hard into submission in an argument that they resort to this level hahhaha
>>737420167oops, menat for >>737420029
>>737420164>P-PLEASE STOP VERIFYING THAT IM JUST MAKING SHIT UP!!!
>>737418621>6+ year release difference>surely nothing has changed in battery tech in the meantimejej
>>737420289What has changed?
>>737412120You are getting there anon, put a little more thought and you will reach the conclusion.
>>737418170Won't do shit to gacha since it's a completely different type of game.From beginning to the end gacha are services. And all of them are F2P too so there's nothing to do on that front either.
>>737418160Modern phones are heavier, bulkier, and bigger than the arc. The closest is a chink phone (Unihertz Jelly) and its battery is 500 mAH more.
>>737411047But OP, I'm just a feeble shabbos goy. I HAVE to make life worse for everyone to appease my masters!
>>737420310Fuck if I know, and I'm not going to bother researching just to shut a poo up. But 6 years is an eternity in tech innovation time.You're a disingenious faggot trying to compare apples to oranges.
>>737418973
Feels good to be european.
>>737411047muh onlineslop :(((
>>737419258Yeah the Bible’s pretty retarded for teaching that
>>737420542So you're just making shit up hoping nobody will challenge you?
>>737418534That's the whole point, you slimy piece of trash. There's no ROM of it available. It wasn't preserved. It's literally lost media. Now go neck yourself, shitstain.
Stop Killing Threads
>>737420132>no mention of eu in the promptLets see what happens if you add "in the eu" at the end so it doesn't give you burgerlaw. Oh my, would you look at that.
>>737420579>bottle caps>gigachadFor all the consumer-friendly decisions the EU makes you will NEVER convince me that those retarded fucking bottle caps are anything but an annoyance - I'm not some retarded brown who litters, they just get in the way and now I have to spend more effort ripping them off every time I open a bottle.>b-b-but just lift it up and hold it back!No.>b-b-but it's not that hard!Don't care.
>>737413357this is the most retarded bait ever, it's so bad you should kill yourself out of shame if you are a "real" humanbean
>>737420916Not that guy but notice the use of the word abrubt? Termination is still legal, it just has some limits. Like you cannot pull Concord without giving everyon a right to refund. But if you run the service for 2 years and can show proof that the service is no longer profitable you have the right to do that move.
>>737420073>for some reasonTrying to push for faster transfer speeds than USB 2.0 in times before USB-IF finally took their heads out of their own asses and designed a physical connector for the USB protocol that wouldn't suck cock.
>>737417031because you are stupid as fuck, you can give out tools to self-host a server without them being open-sourcedmost of the shit you download doesn't have a public source code>3rd partythen no issue because only the game studio's part has to be changed, but you could easily make it so that the 3rd party can be opted out in the future if it dies like a lot of old games did with gamespy>muh indie/small studioSo they would have the expertise to have servers but not make them self-hosted? You don't know how shit work. Also indies/smalls studios wouldn't be as greedy as (((AAA))) studios toward pulling the plug on games.
>>737415758And faggots say 4chan doesn't get paid shills
>>737421395They're not paid shills, they're victims of shills who do it for FREE.
>>737415758You can go back to playing games without online and patches any time you want but most people like them and that's why they get bought.
>>737420996>word abrubt?Yeah, like the game company suddenly and with no official sunsetting warning shutting it down. Wonder how that little tidbit is relevant to the SKG discussion, I trying really hard but I just cant see how abrubtly has anything to do with them shutting the service down suddenly, just cant see the connection saar
>>737420996>you have the right to do that move.And if you turn the game off overnight, it's still "abrupt" and you will get fucked over for it. And giving " prior notice" wont help you on the issue either.
>>737411254
>>737420996Those aren't rights.
>>737421871>And giving " prior notice" wont help you on the issue either.It actually does. Do you not understand the implications of never being able to close your services?
>>737420996dont start with these guys anon they're hopeless
>>737420825Too bad SKG isn't saving your Sony Ericsson tomodachi shovelware.
>>737414583>>737414791To be fair there's probably a fair chance that he got cucked in of Second Life - however inconsequential it might be.
>>737421209you cant give out tools that enables you to host a server...without the server code...which indeed may contain / depend on licensed code >then no issue because only the game studio's part has to be changedthat change would be the game studio having to implement the dependency themeslves. Which is potentially a massive undertaking.>but you could easily make it so that the 3rd party can be opted out in the future if it dies like a lot of old games did with gamespya games functionality may depend on the service itself. Its not nescesairly a opt-out-able thing.>So they would have the expertise to have servers but not make them self-hosted?yes. >You don't know how shit workironic as fuck
>>737421970>never being able to close your servicesHas nothing to do with SKG either, you provide them a way to play without those services.And why are you shills so stuck on this extremely obvious lie, anyway? Especially when it doesnt work since it's common knowledge that it's a misdirection tactic?
>>737420579Too based to be true
>>737420996>proof that the service is no longer profitableCompletely irrelevant, the service being profitable or not has no bearing on the person selling the service being held accountable for proving the service to the customers who are paying for it.You cant just advertise a service, collect money and then go>whoopsie since the CEO (my) wage is 1000000000000000 a month its not profitable so we are shutting it down, thnx for the cash thoProfitablity has almost nothing to do with this issue and the legal framework in genral>we wont make a profit unless we use slave laborIs not a legally valid reason to own slaves. The goverment doesnt care if you are making a profit, thats your problem, but you have to follow the laws regardless
never in my life have i seen so many retards who just make shit up and pretend they know what they are talking about, as the SKG movement. Its truly amazing.
>>737411047>>"Imagine you buy a modern phone. Modern phones have software. After 5 years NOT the phone company, but a completely unrelated company that for some reason has near total monopoly on what you can use your phone for, decides to stop allowing you to use vital applications on your smart phone so it becomes a basic phone."Still waiting for the EU retards to actually do something about it.
>>737419084Theoretically speaking... If I show up just before Sabbath and stealthily break the wire do all Jñjews in Manhattan explode?
>>737422071Yeah and how do you just provide that? Like if you bought skins in a game and the game shuts down what now? Where do your stats go? The game operators on serverside, your client is just client. Do they give out the server files to everyone whobought the game? Would Blizzard have to give everyone their server files every expansion?And shilling? I just wanna continue my life and not have bunch of things banned because some keyboard warriors from other side of the atlantic think that they're based for fighting against le jews.
This movement is fucking retarded. A game like Marathon would never work without players, an "offline" mode would be awful. Does that mean it couldn't be made?Retards
>>737422059>which indeed may contain / depend on licensed codeAnd your ass may or may not have a dildo shoved up it right now, thats hardly anyone elses problem but your.The devs deciding to make their game dependent on server infrastructure that they know they cant maintain or make avalilable to the players is a hole the devs dug for themselves.Nobody is forcing them to have server connectivity in the first place.Dont shoot yourself in the foot then whine how its hard to run a marathon, the stupid decisions was your idea.
>>737422291>Where do your stats go?Why were they stored on a server to begin with?
>>737418454eu parliament is already the retirement home for unpopular politicians. the actually elderly ones often remain somewhat popular since everyone knows their names and they draw in votes for the party
>>737414306>Nobody wants to use a 10 year old phone anyway.I just upgraded phones from a 2018 one to a 2025 one. If I could swap batteries, I'd probably ride it another 3 years, yeah.
>>737422291>>737422291>Do they give out the server files to everyone whobought the game?Yes. There's no reason why the game NEEDS to run serverside when it has installed files locally. Run them client side as well>NOOO IT JUST CANT BE DONE!!!Yes it can. Plenty of fan mods and hacks can do it, why not well paid megacorp?>Im not a shill but you guys should stop fighting, you'll get jewish corporate tricks like invalidating your purchases banned Just admit you're a shill because arguing for megacorp to take your money and your purchased stuff away as a consumer is cultist tier, so fucking pathetic,
>>737422297>Couldn't be madeNo, you just need to stop hiring poogrammers and start using frameworks made by Whites, for Whites.
I will never support SKG until they make an exemption that WOKE games or any game that contains NIGGERS will not be preserved.
>>737422279Funny thing, the wire actually snapped some time earlier last year, and a ton of jews bought chickens to transfer their sins into, hoping it would fool god.
>>737422386meaning that the middle-aged unpopular ones end up being sent to EU to get rid of them while the old ones that make it past middle-age without fading to obscurity remain in national politics until the end
>>737422297And obviously Marathon wouldn't get an "offline" mode but tools to let people host their own server, like every shooter on PC before like 2010Retard
>>737418185>You will own nothing and be happy You sound like a corporate shill go have gay sex faggot.
>>737422297It wouldn't be as good? Well I guess it should be taken away from the people who ready paid for it.
>>737411825Yes. Forever. This debt also gets inherited by the offspring. In 200 years, I will still be playing The Crew whether you like it or not. And you will pay for it.
>>737422568No one is playing it offline retard. There’s no difference
>>737422353To prevent cheating.
>>737411047>imagine thing that we allow to happen right nowYeah do something about it retard.
>>737411189One person generating one meme video with AI is probably more processing power than keeping a mostly dead game online for a day.No one was talking about data centers being a problem until AI even though video game servers have been around for over 30 years.
>>737422291>Yeah and how do you just provide that? Like if you bought skins in a game and the game shuts down what now?All skins are unlocked for everyone like in every old shooter>Where do your stats go?No stats are saved like in every old shooter/communities with dedicated servers track their own stats>Do they give out the server files to everyone whobought the game?Yes, like with every old shooter>Would Blizzard have to give everyone their server files every expansion?No, only when they stop hosting the gameIt's incredible every single one of your retarded arguments can be btfo by just saying "make it how it used to be in the past" lmao. Shills are so fucking retarded they will go out of their way to pretend it can't be done when WE USED TO DO IT JUST FINE FOR DECADES IN EVERY SINGLE SHOOTER IN EXISTENCE
>>737422629First off, dont care, find another solutionSecondly its a really easy solution, just store them on both, if the server is up use the server side data, if the server is down use the client data, problem solved.>we need you to be always online so the item auction house doesnt get devaluedWas a shit excuse when Diablo 3 used it and its still exactly that, an excuse.
>The free market will fix it!>Meanwhile the free market, despite having all the opportunity in the world, has not fixed it>In fact it's getting worse>Games are now barely functional on release despite costing more than ever, with ever more ridiculous bullshit tacked on to fleece you >you will own nothing and you will be happy says the games companyI can see why the prospect of the EU stepping in has them shitting themselves. They can feel their scamming ways are reaching their end.
>>737418912And that's a good thing.I want a phone that fits in my fucking pocket.
>>737422785>they're gonna change how the servers are structuredYeah okay retard.
>>737422803So free cheating every time server is down or "down"?
>>737422297>an "offline" mode would be awfulThat's what you think. There's plenty of people baffled there's no singleplayer campaign, so they can read the lore in peace. Bungie already giving up on hardcore PVP vision in order to get some players back, they'll be scrambling to make PVE mode mid-season 2 which essentially is going to be an offline mode.
>>737422785If everything was so good in the past why don't people just play those games instead? Nobody is forcing people to play shit games. They choose to, because they like them.
>>737422291Once they decide to shut down a game you get an option to download your character data to a local save file. The final patch converts paid unlocks to unlocks with in-game currency. There. That wasn't so hard, now was it?
>>737422803>seething about d3Go play your ns character on your switch or ps3.
>>737422952>If everything was so good in the past why don't people just play those games instead?They did. Corporates didnt like that, so they got to work delisting old games and rereleasing them as "updated" new releases for you to buy again at full price. >You LIKE us stealing your sruff! stop complaining!post nose
>>737422904Free cheating in an offline game? How will I ever cope?Either its a multiplayer game and I cant play when the servers are down (which is the issuw SKG is trying to fix) in which case there is no progress to be madeOr its a single player game and I couldnt give a dead dogs dick about if someone CEd in 900000000 ubislop coins for the latest assassins creed or whatever.
>>737418454People that played UT99 are all 40 now.
>>737417031Well, provided that you're serious and actually looking for answers, here's my retort on your points.>What if a server depends on proprietary / licensed code? then the company cant just release it to consumers in code or even binary form.Licenses are for the publishers and the developers, not the customers. It is the license to distribute whatever content was licensed for monetary purposes, for that studio for a specific time.Given how a customer does not (and legally speaking is not allowed to) distribute the licensed content for money, the customer is not a part of this equation nor is beholden to IP and licensing rights.I feel like I'm going crazy but it feels like companies are trying to shift some sort of non-existent responsibility down to the customers, when this has never been the case nor in video games, nor in any entertainment media at all.The publisher upholds the IP rights to sell books, but I'm not responsible to destroy my copies just because the publishing deal was terminated with a company and the IP holder.>What if a server heavily depends on third party services?This is not retroactive. They will know well ahead of time what the requirements are when making a server.Like how car companies know that they have to put airbags into specific spots even before the first blueprint is made.>What if the game studio is indie / small and simply dont have the expertise to package the server in a universally runnable way?Servers, no matter how big or small a studio is, are ALWAYS tested internally. You have a local executable server to test things that runs on local-host. Not just in the games industry, but in IT aswell. You host the website content and test it internally before you push it live.What you describe should not exist unless it's a group with a never-seen incompetence who publish their servers live without any internal testing. In which case they reap what they sow.
>>737422975But you lost all the money from the cosmetics. Now you can just download every cosmetic after its offline.
>>737420963I find it helpful, personally, not only do I not have to bother with the cap when outside, quality of bottles after its introduction has also increased because before it wasn't unusual for some cheap water bottles to be literally unopenableDunno what people complain about when it comes to them getting in the way, literally never had that problem
>>737423091How is that better than completely losing access to everything once the game goes offline
>>737418786It works in DRG which doesn't have a central server, literally all of these skins ARE in the game
>>737422952>why don't you just understand your hobby is dead due to mass appeals to normies you should stick to the past chudHow about, and hear me out, corporations follow the law and don't sell a service as a product? Just follow the law, it's that easy.
>>737417245The EU has a very different economy compared to the US, all the talking points you are using might apply to America, but not Europe broadly.
>>737423158You can't buy skins in that game thoughever.
>>737420963I used to dislike them too but then I just got used to them and now I don't even think about it
>>737422803I don't care that you don't care, retard.
>>737423167AAA gaming is for normies. It's like you go to some big pop music concert and then demand the music to be banned because they plebs are ruining the industry for you.
>>737423206>t. has no scrippity scrip
>>737423206WhatMaybe not in-game but you can absolutely buy skins
mutts can't own their foreskin and somehow they think they are in a position the criticize the affairs on another continent
>>737421989>"Give me one (1) game that's not preserved lul">Challenge accepted, moron got owned>"T-too bad SKG isn't s-saving your shovelware!!!111"Lol, pathetic. Must've stung knowing you got raped that hard. Dipshit.
>>737420963>and now I have to spend more effort ripping them off every time I open a bottle.You are retarded.
>>737423258>No, you cant just tell me to follow the law! You're in the wrong place! Irrelevant analogy!lmao
>>737423185Completely wrong, the "issue" with the EU parliment is that alot of things need majority or unanimous agreement from member states, even if car lobbysts were trying hard, they wont have any sway outside of any country with car production, which is most of the EU member states.
>>737417031>>What if a server depends on proprietary / licensed code? then the company cant just release it to consumers in code or even binary form.>>What if a server heavily depends on third party services?>>What if the game studio is indie / small and simply dont have the expertise to package the server in a universally runnable way?All only an issue for old things. New things are made with new rules in mind and not retroactive.
>>737423279>>737423282Yeah but I was talking about REAL MONEY because that's what this whole fiasco is about right? You used money and now it's gone.
>>737423304Go whine to sega japs to give you the rom because your movement isn't retroactive.
>>737423320It isn't against the law to buy the things you want.
>>737423341>Yeah but I was talking about REAL MONEYWell I didn't know thats what you meant, you can buy in game skins with scrip however
>>737423089>>What if the game studio is indie / small and simply dont have the expertise to package the server in a universally runnable way?What if the car manufacturer is a small startup and simply doesn't have the expertise to package the seatbelts and airbags in a universally acceptable way?
>>737417245>its getting delayed because carmakers thought they could switch to electric faster and fuck them burgers, japs and chinks over with new technologia that the super smurt euros would master fasterit didn't happen but this was their own doing but even if it's delayed it won't get cancelled euro5 already fucked over jap bike industry
>>737423224>we need always online DRM so that people cant cheat to beat Dark SoulsThats the level these shills are falling to.Tough luck shitskin, its how the law works, it doesnt care if you like it or care about it, you still have to follow it
>>737423365Correct. But it is against the law to market a service as a product.
>>737423415your fault for dying in that car crash - you should've not been so retarded and bought a defective product
>>737423406Scrips are for the events.
>>737423441It should be against the law to be this stupid.
>>737423454scrips are for cosmetics and emotes
>>737423415oh shit, this post was meant for>>737417031
>>737423424>because carmakers thought they could switch to electricThe car MAKERS switched over, the consumers didnt, no point in making cars nobody is buying
>>737423487Just follow the law. What's the big deal?
>>737411047This kill the mainframe dream.The dream of having the games only on the server hard drives and being able to delete em, to have total control over the existence of games.
>>737423517Of the current event.
>>737423559The law let them to sell that thing and now people are buying it. They aren't therefore committing a crime.
>>737423602>sell that thingWas "that thing" a product or service under the law? Which was it?
>>737423656Depends what we're talking about. It can be both.
>>737423167>How about, and hear me out, corporations follow the law and don't sell a service as a product?They are, that's why they're selling you licenses.
>>737423676>It can be bothNot under existing EU law, thoughbeit
List of vidya whose publishers will get arrested by the EU the moment they stop running their servers because /v/ said so and Jason Hall was right about #StopKillingGames or something like that ig idk I don't play vidya now where's my 60 cents per post
>>737423548>The car MAKERS switched overeuro ones? barely. it's all just rebadged chinese cars with huge mark up - while banning chinese competition lmao also it needs government for infrastructure and upgraded power grids which also didn't happenthe planet is buying hybrids and electric cars/trucks/buses, it's just that nobody is buying european garbage in general, not even when forced
>>737423685Licenses by law have to include the end date when the contract is formed (again, by law)Where are the contract dates listed when I "purchase" a license for marathon?
>>737423697You think you can't sell services in EU?
>>737423765Live service games give you server shutdown notices in advanced when the playerbase is drying up btw. Read your EULA next time you buy a license key.
>>737423818Not as a product.
>>737423912Nobody is doing that. In this case it's a product that contains ONLINE services.
>>737423947>Nobody's doing that>But here's how we are doing that
>>737423356I don't even play mobile games, you dumb fuck. You gave out a challenge to give you one (1) game that wasn't preserved. I got you one and slapped your sorry retarded face with it. And with SKG, that thing will not happen again in the west going forward. Now shut the fuck up and go sit in the corner and learn, you ignorant piss.
>>737423967If I have a restaurant and I also server you does that mean that I am breaking the law because I also include service to my products like holy shit suihiduguysdhisduipfhsdiojoij
>>737424023>Sell product>But it doesn't actually work without this other service>Also I don't have to follow the laws related to services because I sold you a product, not a service
>>737423982But this was a jap subscription service, regionlocked too?
>>737424086>buy LITERALLY ANYTHING>it stops working after some time>wtf scammed I will now sue the company who made this
>>737423765>Bungie reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to terminate your access to any or all Bungie Services and the related services or any portion thereof at any time, without notice.https://www.bungie.net/7/en/legal/terms
>>737424136Yes if you buy a car and it breaks down after driving it home you have a right regarding a free repair or replacement.
>>737423341There are workarounds, like DLC, after central server is shuttered, make it peer to peer and release the skins as DLC, bada bing bada boom, literally free money and no need to spend on the server upkeep
>>737424219>Yes if you buy a car and it breaks down after driving it home you have a right regarding a free repair or replacement.Lifelong FREE repair and REPLACEMENTS for cars? WHERE? WHAT PLANET?
>>737424276Software does not just break down on its own and if it is actually the person that made it that is the cause of it suddenly becoming non functional then yes you can take them to task over that.
>>737424347But they need to maintain the software on their side and you're asking them to maintain it to all eternity.
>>737424347The client didn't break, it was just that the servers shut down.
>>737424431No you are being asked to allow the user to maintain it.
>>737424439>The car didn't break, Tesla just hit the kill switch
>>737424451Yes just send your propertiary files to everyone int he world loool this will surely be good idea and not wreak havoc in every field of the industry.
>>737424515That's a you problem, not the customer who paid you's problem.
>>737424116And? It's precisely the kind of thing SKG wants to prevent from happening going forward.
>>737424547It will become customers problem too if there's bans for selling the service.
>>737424646More like you will need to make games that don't have this problem you yourself created.
>>737424573The problem is that ross is still having a melty over the crew even though there was never a time that you couldn't play the game because it was archived by fans a year before the servers shut down.
>>737418973https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv
>>737424547It is actually your fault because you bought a license to use a service.
>>737423982That game was never available in the west retard
>>737424664>problemSuch a big problem that games as a service became the best selling games voted by the customers.
>>737424746Not how it was advertised faggot. You can't just say "actually this product you paid for is a service because [some bullshit in this toilet paper EULA I present to you after purchase].
>>737424793>Not how it was advertised faggot.You're just being a lying dumbass pretending that you don't know what a game as a service is. Wait till you find out that you don't own your steam games either and that you license can be revoked at any moment without notice.
>>737424793What product? You're just buying a box with key inside nowadays, or buying it fully digital.
>>737424872Being a digital download doesn't make it any less of a product.
>>737424907What next? You think spotify music is your product?
>>737424907>doesn't make it any less of a productYou're just downloading a client to connect to the service, same with installing a client from a disk. When the servers shut down, the client isn't broken and it can be used to reverse engineer the game from scratch by observing packets.
Welcome back USSR
>>737423325So basically Germany and France veto until the car guys are happy? It goes both ways, anon.
>>737425019The music you buy on it is.>>737425020The shop being online doesn't mean they aren't selling products,
>>737424872>buy product>oh its actually a license>oh actually you didn't agree to the contract at time of purchase, here's our in game EULA you now have to agree to or we won't allow you to utilize your product>we didn't list it on the case since it's so long, but basically we can end this contract at any time and nullify your purchase>normies see no problem so this behavior is 100% acceptable, right?
>>737425165>The shopThe whole game is server side.
>>737425202So why is it taking up 150GB on my hard drive?
>>737425238The client consisting of high res models, textures,...
>>737423753>nobody is buying european garbage in generalIt's not like the world leading manufacturers in heavy vehicles are Daimlet and Volvo. People spend A LOT on "European garbage"
>>737425179You can read the terms online and they're pretty much the same for all similar products.
>>737425019No. Because Spotify is an actual subscription with a clearly defined expiration date. Games are products.
>>737425270So the whole game is not in fact all on a server then.
>>737425278And your phone/PC is a product used to access the service just like your game client is.
>>737425274Cool. Just follow the law and present the terms of the contract at the time of purchase instead of afterwards.
>>737417501>so all a game would have to do to get around the requirement is depend on licensed code The spirit of the law trumps the letter of the law.>ah yes every single software library in the world just have to rework their licensingYes, tough luck.>and how long do you expect this to take? not my problem
>>737425335I bet that whimsical nonsense sounded really smart to you when you came up with it. Did you perchance once ping the entirety of github while trying to shoehorn ai into Einsteins theory?
>>737425287No, but every single spell, script, value is on the server side and when reverse engineering these games you have to make the whole server stack from scratch while interpreting everything, meaning that you start building a fresh postgresql/mariadb/mysql database. Coping with semantics won't change how these games are built.
>>737417501>ah yes every single software library in the world just have to rework their licensing. I'm sure they'll all do that.For the 6 gorillionth time, NO
>>737425383The box tells you to read it. Even my Halo 2 case says that.
>>737425435>what is server side is a couple of spreadsheets>There's no way anyone else could just something like this though
>>737425335That's hardware, an actual product. The os is the service.
>>737425128can't veto on topics that don't involve sovereign interests
>>737425274That only works in burgerland. Here in the civilized part of the world the seller has to present it to the buyer. "lol find it urself" doesn't hold up.
>>737425495It held up just fine for decades.
>>737425469>>what is server side is a couple of spreadsheetsRetard. You have to make the entire server stack from scratch. Stick to faggot strike pls.
>>737425435>meaning that you start building a fresh postgresql/mariadb/mysql databaseCool, I did that for a wotlk server once. Am I a publisher now?
>>737425546You're a reverse engineer.
>>737425537>You have to make the entire server stack from scratchWhat if I do it from a precompiled binary thoughbeit?
>>737425537You make this sound like some impossible task but it's apparently something that a few hobbyist can do in their spare time on their home computers without even having access to the real software or any of the documentation.
>>737425521Because no one wanted the legal headache that would come with challenging a claim that isn't even for a 3 digit sum. That doesn't mean it's legal.
>>737425597See licensed middleware, jaknigger.>>737425616Ain't no one wasting time developing a dead game and replacing server components so dysgenic subhumans like ross would stop crying about their mmo services shutting down.
>>737424759I said SKG will prevent shit like it from happening in the west going forward. I never said that mobile game was available in the west. Fucking ESL, I swear.
>>737425689If it's what the government are telling you to do then "but I dun wanna!!!" isn't going to fly.
>>737425729You're gonna see new development when the mmo rereleases as the "classic" version.
>>737425689>Ain't no one wasting time developing a dead game and replacing server components so dysgenic subhumans like ross would stop crying about their mmo services shutting down.correct, no one is actually doing that. Or even claiming to want that.
