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the combat in this game was just... meh.

it's the same loop of stealth->combat->cutscene all over the playthrough.

story wasn't compelling enough for me to keep playing this game, either.
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>>737537346
2nd game is unironically better
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>>737537346
I disagree. Gameplay is crazy fun and the story is superb. Stick to cod or something, might be more your IQ level
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>>737537346
Well yeah. TLOU was always shit.
>>737537387
No lol. Second game is worse because it's openly jewish.
>>737537438
Did you... unironically just imply TLOU is some high IQ shit...?
Moron. Retard. Idiot. Inbred nigger. TLOU was always a console third person walking simulator for normalfags that don't play videogames. It was the first "serious and mature game" for shallow dudebros who only ever played COD and Fifa before. It opened the floodgates for swarms of women and normalfaggots who keep ruining gaming to this day. Legitimately end your life.
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>>737537346
the gameplay isn't really good from a mechanics perspective but the combat is very visceral and satisfying. also the AI could do some cool things (for 2013) which added to the realism/ immersion.
no it's not the best game ever, and it doesn't have to be. there's nothing wrong with a game taking a more cinematic approach as well, as long as the entire industry doesn't follow suit.
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>>737537346
>press triangle once to perform elaborate fatality sequence
The combat IS the cutscene. It was revolutionary in its time.
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>>737537346
It's one of the best third person shooters out there on grounded, and the story, characters, and writing are about as it gets for vidya. You are playing the demake though.

Also stealth is not good every encounter, some are better skipped completely, and many encounters are required loud. I feel like the sequel had stealth almost every encounter as the universally best strategy and it got tiring quick, the first game has far better and more memorable encounter design and gameplay setpieces
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>>737539002
>It's one of the best third person shooters out there
As usual, Snoys must play more vidya before posting. Lurk more!
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>>737537626
Holy projection retard.
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>>737539351
lmao
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>>737539076
I've beat well over a thousand games from NES to modern, including essentially every relevant third person shooter on highest difficulty. That is why I can say with confidence that TLoU is as good as it is, meanwhile you never played TLoU above normal if you even beat it at all.
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>>737537626
>TLoU opened the floodgates for swarms of women and normalfaggots
This has to be one of the most clueless takes I've ever seen.
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>>737539351
Still higher than the average IQ of a dumbass who thinks fucking TLOU was some high IQ garbage. Objectively not, it was one of the first games the average modern normalfag "gamer" ever played.
>>737539427
If you played this many games you'd know that TLOU is console trash.
>>737539582
Speaking the facts is clueless?
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>>737537346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-KDfab0c7Q

TLOU was a pretty run of the mill TPS but it was one of the best looking games on the PS3.
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>combat was meh
>proceeds to talk about 2 things that are not combat and also just mentions combat by name

What did you not like about the combat specifically? Why is being articulate so hard for zoomers?
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>>737537387
based
only played 2 last year because of all the negative hype it had and I was expecting the worst
turns out it's better than the first one in every single way, it's still AAA movie-slop for the masses, but it's a good game in its genre
turns out /v/ and most "gamers" online have shit taste
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>>737537346
This one is just alright, story can be generic but its well told. Same goes for the gunplay which is ultimately well executed, but nothing exceptional. The sequel maybe has a worse story but way better combat, probably my favorite third person shooter since MGS5. The roguelike mode especially can be pretty fun.

Best part of these games really is just exploring the levels bc they're full of details and pretty assets.
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>>737541831
Who is saying it's high IQ? It's just a really well-designed third person shooter with great and memorable encounters, is gameplay-dense with satisfying challenge on Grounded, not to mention the story, characters, and writing are all really well done, some of the best out there for a videogame.

If anything, it's almost the complete opposite of pretentious, it tells a very grounded and straightforward, even generic, story that is just executed very well and is carried by its characters and writing.

Why are you so insecure and constantly projecting?
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>>737542039
What about 2 was better? I recently played both TLOU1+2 remastered (through PSN), and other than the awful story in 2...
>swaps between characters made it disjointed
>too much running around and gathering stuff made the game diffuse
>gameplay lacked much challenge
>gameplay was constantly stealth, knock out as many enemies as possible, go gung-ho if you get spotted
TLOU2 in terms of gameplay wasn't bad, but it just felt too spread out. Would've been better to have kept the level design tighter.
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>>737537346
TLOU was a graphic novel with joysticks, and it was great for that.
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>>737542178
TLoU 2's gameplay systems may be better, but level design, encounters, and gameplay setpieces are all done far better in TLoU1. Also TLoU2 has extremely samey environments (like 90% of the game is just Seattle's overgrown city blocks) and way too much focus on stealth where it's the optimal strategy for almost every encounter in the game. Not to mention the pacing in the first game is far better, way less walkie-talkie filler and not constantly retreading the same areas.

But honestly the story of TLoU1 just provides an overall halo effect for the game that makes it so much more tolerable compared to the sequel that is almost offensively ugly, gay, and jewish.
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>>737542256
>is gameplay-dense with satisfying challenge on Grounded
>walk walk walk talk talk talk for hours
>literally empty levels for more walk and talk
>gameplay loop is: ambush NPC or two -> rotate to another position and idle for a minute till the AI "forgets" you for -> ambush AI again - repeat or its generic mandatory scripted shootout

VERY dense
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>>737537346
I thought it was fun. If you say Resident Evil 4 combat is great and this is pure shit, you're trolling. And I'm not saying RE4 combat is bad, quite the contrary
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>>737542536
The very first parts of the game are slow, but it picks up considerably from there.

A grounded glitchless speedrun in TLoU1 is 3 hours rta while RE4 Pro is 2.5 hours, pretty comparable.

I don't know what to tell you aside from it doesn't sound like you've actually played the game, certainly not beyond the first couple hours, and certainly not on Grounded where the gameplay ratio is way higher as encounters are long and difficult.
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>>737542418
Yeah you might be right. I've only finished them once and still majority of my playtime is probably spent on the Roguelike mode in 2. One thing for sure is that 2 gets to be a bit long in the tooth, even halfway through it with all the retreads. You can see what they were going for with the dual nature of the narrative, but could've been pulled off better and more precise.
Though I'm a sucker for linear games with larger, deceptively free-flowing levels with small distractions along the way, and as I mentioned I enjoy the exploration of passing through dilapidated records stores, coffee shops, etc. Part 2 has a few of those, so it gets a point in my book. I'd wager they're not that great on replays.
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>>737542305
>What about 2 was better?
gameplay
story
music
graphics
level design
set pieces
enemy ai
it's a clear step up from the first one in every single way I can think of, played them back to back last year (also played TLoU1 back in 2013) and while the first one was already a competent game back then they still managed to do better with 2
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>>737542890
>story
Ok JIDF thanks for posting.
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>>737542937
sorry your tiny brain get offended by the obviously unlikeable character because she's a buff woman and that threatens your masculinity
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>>737542890
>gameplay
Systems, yes. Level design, setpieces, encounters? All no
>story
FUCK no
>music
No
>graphics
Obviously, but there's both a remaster and a remake of 1 so it's very similar (and TLoU was always a great looking game)
>level design
FUCK no. Horrible pacing, and extremely samey environments
>set pieces
In terms of visuals, maybe, but definitely not in gameplay. The winter section with Ellie, the sewer, the gym fight, the sniper section, the hospital fight. All of these are super memorable and unique while TLoU2 encounters all just blend together since they are almost all stealth-focused and the environments are so samey
>enemy ai
It might be "more intelligent" but I wouldn't say that's necessarily better, a certain amount of gameyness to AI is a positive, and Part 1 changes/"improves" the AI as well
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>>737543013
>IT'S BAD ON PURPOSE!!!
good games don't do that, faggot.
stay broke
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>>737543013
I didn't mention Abby once lmao cope harder shekel sniffer.
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>>737543105
unlikeable is not equal to bad you retard
Abby is a despicable character and you're reminded all along during both Ellie and her's sequences, but she has an arc in the story and by the end of it you're supposed to feel conflicted by its resolution, giving you a bittersweet ending
that's not bad, that's very good and I think one of the best ludo-narrative experiences you can have in AAA gaming
keep being a retard

>>737543090
yeah I get it, you're mad at Abby too
TLoU2 is still an improvement in every single way, more varied, better executed and much more memorable overall
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>>737543152
>muuuh jews
braindead take
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>>737543376
>braindead take
>semite made game full of semite ideology
>being defended to the hilt
Yes, I wonder who is defending it to the hilt. Don't you khazari desert goblins have children to bomb or some shit? Why are you on here defending kikemann's game.
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>>737543454
holy schizo
what the fuck is even semite ideology and how is it any relevant here?
keep coping for your shit taste
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>>737543509
>NOOO PLAY THE GAME WITH THE JEWESS AND KISS THE HECKIN TORAH
Fucking goblin.
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>>737543572
>game has 1(one) jew in it
>NOOOO THAT'S PROPAGANDA I'M TOO FRAGILE TO INTERACT WITH ANYTHING THAT ISN'T WHITE AMERICAN BECAUSE I'M A FAGGOT IN DENIAL AND I'M AFFRAID SOME PIECE OF MEDIA IS GONNA MAKE MY LATENT FAGGOTRY COME OUT
get a grip and grow up faggot
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>>737543013
>>737543324
Ellie and Dina are even worse. The story is just contrived as hell and full of plot holes, like Druckmann created the moral first and then tried to bend, and warp and force everything around to fit it, it all just feels very too preachy and on the nose.

Joel's death isn't necessarily the issue, but the way he dies is a complete betrayal of his personality and character; he was a hardened survivor, he would never allow himself to be in such a vulnerable state while acting so oblivious and nonchalant.

But the main issue is just that the new lineup of characters are terrible. You had two really strong characters with a great dynamic in the first game, and now Joel is dead and Ellie is an obnoxious feminist lesbian, so who the fuck is meant to replace them? An ugly bulldyke? A crook-nosed jewish lesbian? A marvel quipping cuck? Some random pregnant bitch? It's funny how Abby somehow manages to be the least insufferable character in the entire game.
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Love to see the kike rats sperging out everytime you dare to criticize them and their pozzed garbage
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>>737543656
Yes yes, now fuck off JIDF goblin. We get it, 'jews are great, touch the wall,' now fuck off back to your child murder. This is a board for video games.

>>737543661
It's funny that Dina, despite acting holier than thou, is actually a colossal piece of shit. It truly takes someone with a warped mind to write a character like Dina, who actively betrays *everyone around her* on an almost constant basis, and tries to frame her as the victim and the morally superior character. She's insufferable for so many reasons.
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>>737539002
There are no good third person cover shooters.
You will never have mouse input.
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>>737543836
>Vanquish
>Max Payne 3
>TEW
>RE5
All of those have some form of cover and are all 9/10+
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>>737543661
>he was a hardened survivor
yeah and that's true for mostly every character that survived up until that point, the TLoU universe is extremely violent (for gameplay purposes) and it was unrealistic that Joel didn't die before (since you care so much about realism) with ALL the shit he goes through not only in the first game but inbetween games too, it was not a matter of IF but WHEN would Joel die during his "adventures"

clearly you're jsut mad at the "ideology" from having a lesbian character as the main character, but novthing about it was obnoxious, nothing felt forced, just two normal girls living their life together, no fuss, no gay pride shit, but the fact that you call Ellie "an obnoxious feminist lesbian" says a lot about you and clearly you're just mad at the game because of your own fragility
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>>737543781
>still rambling about jews
want me to send you a dickpic? or are you affraid my non-cicumcised dick will turn you gay you faggot
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>>737543968
Stop kvetching over my refusal to like your jewish subversion propaganda game. It's pathetic.

The second game is a lesser experience, made by a soulless israeli.
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>>737537626
>Did you... unironically just imply TLOU is some high IQ shit...?
It is. It sure filtered a lot of retards.
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>>737542543
Yeah it's nothing groundbreaking but I still mostly found it fun
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>>737543918
There's a fucking massive difference between
>I can't believe this hardened and experienced survivor didn't die because it's a dangerous world
And
>we took the character you loved from the first game, made him act in a way completely counter to his instincts extensive survival skills and had him sit there like an oblivious cuck while he got his skull bashed in because fuck you white man kiss the torah
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>>737544031
didn't he make the first one too?
how do you make it work with your cognitive dissonance?
man you reddit tourists are something else, I knew them to be faggots but you're clearly a reddit mod or something because you're one huge faggot
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>>737544243
>didn't he make the first one too?
Did not have full control and it shows because it isn't a heaving pile of subversive shit.

>man you reddit tourists are something else, I knew them to be faggots but you're clearly a reddit mod or something because you're one huge faggot
Been on 4chan since 2008, JIDF faggot.
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>>737544243
TLoU1 was the last game where Druckmann was tardwrangled and kept on a short enough leash to not ruin the game. Eventually all his nepobaby jewish friends got in and let him run rampant.

It's actually shocking just how quickly ND became this ultra woke, subversive, ugly mystery meat, LGBTBBQ, jewish dev when TLoU1 was a very traditional and masculine story with basically zero wokeshit or jewish antics whatsoever
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>>737542039
>turns out /v/ and most "gamers" online have shit taste
He says while being amazed by garbage for basic bitches.
>>737542256
Oh, I get it. You're one of them. Sad that TLOU was one of your first games.
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>>737544190
but he doesn't, he takes refuge someplace during a snow storm and gets ambushed, there's no contradiction with his "instincts"
not even talking about the fact that he's had a "cozy" life in the camp for a few years before dying and wasn't that young anymore, so him letting his guard slightly down isn't the fuck you you think it is
and like I said, there's TONS of moments he should've died before but he didn't because he was the main character in the story
also I don't know why you retards are so fascinated with the torah, barely noticed it in the game, isn't like the mosque sequence only 5min? you go through it, Dina explains quickly what jews are about and then you never hear from it again
but somehow that sequence mindbroke all the retards
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>>737544048
Yes, it was so jewish even the basic bitch tlou audience got disgusted.
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>>737544409
My first game was Cool Boarders on PS1 actually.
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>>737544364
Wasn't Bill gay? With the gay porn magazine and all
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>>737544364
He literally made life miserable for other people until he had control. Poor Amy Hennig :( He's a soulless israeli and he acts like it.

As said: >>737542305
The gameplay wasn't too terrible, but it felt overly padded. The story was pretty bad. But the end of the story I was just completely indifferent to the fate of either protagonist, which seems like a pretty bad reaction to something that tries so fucking hard to make you feel strongly about revenge. I just, didn't care for either character at that point. Sony has tried extremely hard make people like TLOU. They even made it into a TV show with that weird nepo goblin. There's no way they'd be trying THIS hard to force people to like TLOU if it weren't blatant propaganda.
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>>737544364
>TLoU1 was a very traditional and masculine story with basically zero wokeshit
media literacy = 0
I don't know why I bother replying to you retards
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>>737537346
It's a lot better on grounded
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>>737544474
It was alluded to, his homosexuality was played more as a joke if anything. Compared to just a few years later in the sequel where more of the cast is gay/lesbian/trans than normal
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>>737544501
>Poor Amy Hennig
She didn't even work on TLOU
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>>737544512
Oh, do enlighten us, this should be good.
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>>737544289
>Been on 4chan since 2008
nah we can smell you maga reddit tourists from kms away, old boards would've mind broken you for being "too woke"
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>>737537346
When will industry start making games again instead of those interactive movies by failed aspiring film directors?
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>>737544525
Fair enough
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>>737544512
>pro-family
>pro-traditional values
>pro-masculinity
>pro-violence
>anti-authority
>almost all characters are white
>almost all characters are hetero
>choosing family over globalism
But it's totally as woke as TLoU2 btw
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>>737544550
>(Druckmann) was co-lead game designer for Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009), which he co-wrote with Amy Hennig and Josh Scherr
>Druckmann co-led the development of The Last of Us (2013) and Uncharted 4: A Thief's End (2016) as writer and creative director, co-writing the latter with Scherr.
He fucked over people to get a creative director role.

>>737544567
Ok JIDF.
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>>737544552
well for starters, the big elephant in the room you chose to ignore, but having not only the deuteragonist but a few strong female characters in the story isn't "woke" for you? if it released today you'd 100% be mad at it too
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>>737544653
>>pro-family
>>pro-traditional values
>>pro-masculinity
>>pro-violence
how you ge that from TLoU1 is a mystery, definitely media illeterate
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>>737544724
Ellie is dependent on Joel, she is only strong within the context of Joel and to win Joel's approval.
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>>737544690
>muuh jews
still the same cope, still a retard tourist
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>>737544770
Did you even play TLOU? The entire intro shows us Joel losing his daughter for Ellie to become a surrogate daughter.
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>>737544842
and how is that pro family and traditional values? having a daughter that you barely even see is pro family propaganda now?
no wonder you're so mad at TLoU2, every single bit of story device is pro something in your mindbroken brain
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>>737544821
It's incredible how nobody is allowed to talk about this game without praising it to high heaven without being screamed at by internet jews, isn't it? As soon as you critique any aspect of TLOU, whether that's the game, Druckmann, the TV series, suddenly one or two people appear ready to defend it wholly and absolutely without waivering.

Luckily, 4chan doesn't have a history with the JIDF posting on it, otherwise people might suspect that this is trying to control the narrative with paid actors on an otherwise pretty forgettable game. And you wonder why half the world hates you.
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>>737544770
None of those statements are controversial in the slightest.

I'm talking about the original story as told at release, ignoring all retcons from the DLC and sequel, including desperate Druckmann himself trying to change the narrative a decade after the fact.
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PREDICTIVE PROGAMMING ELDERS OF ZION CORPO SLOP
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>>737544953
>describes something blatantly pro-family
>bUt HoW iS tHiS pRo-FaMiLy?????
Did you ride the short bus to school champ?
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>>737544953
Why do you need to see the daughter extensively? It's a setup for the story, which is him taking Ellie as his surrogate daughter.

Or are you saying it's not pro-family just because the mother died, as if the story that focuses on a nurturing father-daughter relationship is not also pro-family?

Are you fucking slow or something?
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>>737544956
nah, it's the exact opposite but keep up with the victim complex
mentioning TLoU2 is a better game than 1 on the internet is a sure way to get insulted by maga kids and retarded gamers (which is already a pretty retarded demographic)
that's why I didn't consider playing it before, until finally my curiosity to see how bad it truly was pushed me to try it for myself
this whole thread pushing back on me is proof of it
and you know what? fuck isreal, I don't give a fuck about jews but that place has got to go, but unlike you I know not all jews are isrealites and I'm not mindbroken by some religion that has no impact on my life
keep seething retard
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>>737545189
>isreal
>can't type fuck israel
Thanks JIDF-friend! Off you go! Children to bomb and all that.

>>737545097
>>737545184
Worse than being slow - he's a dishonest tribesman. They sweat at the thought of honesty.
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>>737545097
>>737545184
the main character has a daughter in the first 20min of the story, the rest of it is him slowly growing affectionate to some girl he has to protect, but at no point does it become traditional family values
it's just kinda normal from them since they're spending so much time together and Joel learning to open up a bit as time goes, he barely treats Ellie like a daughter (in fact he distances himself from her most of the game) and not everything has to be propaganda
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>>737545319
>the main character has a daughter in the first 20min of the story, the rest of it is him slowly growing affectionate to some girl he has to protect, but at no point does it become traditional family values
>calls people media illiterate
>doesn't think a man healing through surrogacy of a child he lost represents any sort of familial or familiar feelings
Holy fucking cope
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>>737545279
I just don't want to get autobanned for calling you out faggot
why jews triggers schizos so much I'll never understand, because I'm not as fragile as you redditors
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>>737545396
>why jews triggers schizos so much I'll never understand, because I'm not as fragile as you redditors
So you are a jew?
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>>737545319
Yes, that is pro-family, he had a traditional family, he lost them due to external factors, and he is now coping with that loss the best way he can given the circumstances by being a father figure and nurturing a daughter figure (who then grew up to be a bitchy lesbian feminist, but that's why we ignore TLoU2 and just view TLoU story as standalone)

By the way, no one said propaganda except you, jew
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>>737545395
he doesn't heal tho because he's seriously broken from 1 losing his daughter and 2 living in an extremely violent world
that is shown in both 1 and 2 that he never manages to move on and tho Ellie helps him take a few steps into redemption he's still mostly an asshole until the end (like most characters in that universe btw)
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>>737545435
I already asked you if you wanted a dick pic before and you didn't answer me, that would easily clear any confusion but you're too deep in denial of your own faggotry my beautiful rod would instantly turn you
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>>737545475
Pure cope. I can't teach you not to be retarded, that's a step only you can take.

Joel's behaviour towards Ellie as a surrogate daughter start as being rejective because he fears being hurt again, but eventually his instincts and affection towards Ellie override that and he learns to care for a person again. Just because he learns to care for another person, and has an emotional bond with Ellie akin to a surrogate child, it doesn't mean he suddenly has no wounds from his past. He doesn't just forget about his daughter.

Are you even a person? Like what kind of brain dead retard needs this shit explaining to them?
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>>737545441
>by being a father figure and nurturing a daughter figure
he doesn't nurture shit tho, he only helps Ellie because he was asked to and feels obligated to that woman who made him protect Ellie
most of the game he acts like an asshole to her and seems mostly annoyed to have her around
only much later in the game do they start connecting and it's clearly not from nurturing shit but from spending so much time together, because Joel is some jaded cynic only doing "his job", Ellie is the one trying to nurture a relationship and she's the one pushing Joel all along
and yeah by the end they bond together and Ellie feels like a daughter figure to Joel, but hardly any of it is comparable to trad family values
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>>737545570
none of this is pro family values
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>>737545663
Retard, you do realize that stern fathers are much more traditional than mushy ones? He still very much cares about Ellies, he just struggles with his conflicting feelings regarding his actual daughter.

Also, he just lost his entire fucking family, he has good reason to be a jaded asshole.

Talk about media illiteracy...
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>>737545743
>a family bond following familial archetypes does not represent family values
Look, we know you'd sell your daughter for a shekel, but it makes sense to real humans.
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>>737545753
I never said him being a jaded asshole was not reasonable? I just SAID he was a jaded asshole, there was no judgement or me saying it was irrational, but you only see what you want to see don't you?
and like I said, he doesn't care about Ellie until much later in the game, most of the time it's HER pushing him around, trying to connect
he only cares about the promise he made to that other woman
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>TLOU is "pro family values"
Reminder that Joel is supposed to be a bad person for not walking away into the sunset when Ellie was about to be butcheree by the Fireflies.
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>>737545870
still with the jew posting
why so obsessed? get a grip, touch some grass, fuck a woman, anything to make you feel better about yourself because at this point it's just embarrassing
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>>737537346
You can sum up every game like this man gtfo my hobby tourist
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>>737545951
Can you use a tripcode so I can filter you out? Or at least, can you shut the fuck up responding to be with your kike whining?
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>>737546013
nah I'll keep posting harder, triggering you retards as much as I can
at least until you go back to where you belong (reddit) and stop being a huge faggot in here
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>>737546157
Christ it's going to kvetch all day about Lord Druckmann being the lord and saviour of all things sony's light touches. Why do you think people don't talk about this game? It's not very remarkable and it's frankly far more work than its worth to argue with paid agitators like yourself about it. Have fun shilling for shekels, shlomo.
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>>737542536
>complains about walking not being challenging enough
well then you go outside and walk even half as much distance as Ellie does from one combat segment or cutscene to another you fat gamer and see how much of a challenge it can be
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>>737545912
In TLOU1 it was ambiguous if he was bad or not. The fact that it made you do it at all supported the idea that it might've been the right choice (I thought it was).
Druckmann is just fucking retarded for picking a side in TLOU2
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>>737546278
>The fact that it made you do it at all supported the idea that
and by "it" I mean killing everyone in the hospital and saving Ellie
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>>737546238
but I don't care about him? never mentioned him at all even? but he definitely mindbroke you because 6 years later and you're still here rambling about jews and whatever like an obsessed schizo
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>>737546386
Whatever you say rabbi.
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>>737546278
he didn't pick any side in 2, he just showed Ellie's perspective and internal conflict with his decision
but nowadays a game showing a woman's pov is considered woke
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>>737546456
better be a rabbi than a fucking huge faggot like you
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>>737545319
he could've had an underage gay boyfriend instead of a daughter and be a more non-traditional/anti-family character
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>>737546480
If she's a bitchy dyke and her view is completely wrong but the producer wants you to agree with her, yes.
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>>737537346
Too bad it's never the good kind of stealth gameplay. It's always been about hiding behind walls or in some instance hiding in bushes or whatever and the AI being braindead and barely have any advanced detection mechanics and it's all rather barebones. They should have just made it a cover shooter for christs sake.
It's obvious in what it wants to be just like Uncharted before it. I'm talking about the PS3 game here i don't expect the design to have evolved on the remake.
Some people tell me that TLOU2 was better about this and it's 'actually kind of like Metal Gear bro'. But i doubt it and it's just Sony fanboys coping over nothing being good anymore.
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>>737547018
nah, you even have Joel telling her he'd do it all over again
the producers want you to relate with the internal conflict Ellie is facing (not only in relation to Joel's decision, but with Abby, and how those two factors are connected)
in fact back then when it first release the moral ambiguity was already a huge source of debate among the people who played it, and clearly they played on it with the first one and kept it going with 2
because it's not a clear cut good/bad decision and at no point in 2 do they cut it a way or another, it's all up to personal interpretation
you're just mad because of "muuuh woke"
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>>737544190
>High end BMW in 2021
>Optional heated seating
You're not very smart, are you?
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I thought I would hate this game but it was actually good and I liked the revenge part of the story. only thing that sucked was the trans kids, gays etc
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>>737547578
> I liked the revenge part of the story
You mean the part where Ellie murdered dozens of random people without mercy then suddenly became a huge pussy at the end and let the tranny freak to sail away towards the sunset? Fag.
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>>737547462
You would not believe how jewish modern BMW is.
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0308911EN_US/the-new-2021-bmw-5-series-sedan?language=en_US
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>>737547697
yeah it was cool cry more incel
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>>737547697
you mean like Joel slaughtered hundreds of random people without mercy and then suddenly became a huge pussy at the end and walked away with Ellie towards the sunset? gay faggot
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>TLOU1
>MC loses daugher
>MC encounters "surrogate"
>acts all tsundere and shit till he realises her cares
>Schizos you believe are incompetent retards want to kill her for a chance to save le hecking humanity (same humanity which took your daughter from you by being trigger happy niggers)
>Kill them to save her

>TLOU2
>MC1 is now the surrogate (you play with demented TLOU1 MC who gets himself kill because he forgot to take meds)
>MC doing drugs with lesbian jewish pregnant-by-chink gf and constantly complains about old dude
>"le hecking survivor guilt" because probably life as a pro-israel lgbtq+ folk isn't that fun so she considers "maybe it'd be better if I was dead"
>Seeks revenge
>Enter MC2
>Seeks revenge from TLOU1 MC (old dude) because he killed her father who was a vet with IQ high enough to come up with a cure for fungal infection as long as he finds the right teenager to murder
>Roids out and constantly spergs even to her friends about "le hecking revenge"
>God of luck delivered old dude disarmed and demented in front of her and her friends
>GOLFIN TIME
>Play as her, constantly sperging out and lashing out on everyone
>Her boyfriend acts sus, goes to find him (even though his about to start a family with another woman)
>Find LARPer girl who wants to be a boy for some reason and his sister
>Roided sperg MC magically finds "empathy" and decides to risk everything for them.
>MC1 kills every MC2 friend and MC2 goes like "what the fuck you retard?" and beats her shit up
>Enter MC1 again
>Jewish lesbian mother has the right to defend herself against being single because MC1 is hellbent into seeking revenge again (old dude's bro implored her to reconsider)
>find MC2 and LARPer trapped, chained and betrayed in the hyperbolic time chamber
>MC1 murderhobos everyone on her way to the chamber
>releases MC2 and challenges her to a D-D-D-D...DDDDDUEL
>Wins
>Doesn't kill MC2 because old dude flashback where he's playing the guitar (she can't anymore lmao)
>credits roll
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>>737547948
>you mean like Joel slaughtered hundreds of random people without mercy and then suddenly became a huge pussy at the end and walked away with Ellie towards the sunset?
Did Joel spend the entire game hunting Ellie down vowing to get revenge?
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>>737547948
Joel in 1 killed thugs in self defence and wrecked the Fireflies to save Ellie. Ellie murdered tons of random people who got in the way even when they asked for mercy then allowed her daddy's killer to get away because uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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>>737548009
no he spent the entire fucking game escorting Ellie vowing to take her to the fireflies, before backing down
did you even play the game or are you just spewing random bullshit?
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>>737548083
>no he spent the entire fucking game escorting Ellie vowing to take her to the fireflies, before backing down
Oh yeah I forgot that bit where they tell him before he escorts her that they will need to kill her to get a vaccine. My bad.
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>>737548163
Marlene: Joel, will you take this girl to the Fireflies?
Joel: Why?
Marlene: She's immune to the infection, they need to get a vet to cut her head open, killing her in the process, to extract the fungus to make a vaccine, so do not get attached.
Joel: Ah shit I think I'm attached already ok I'll do it and kill as many people along the way as possible.

Forgot that iconic scene desu, that's definitely how the plot of the game went, I'm sure.
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>>737547762
Well, shit. Even my last shitbox from 2002 had heated seats included.
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>>737548083
>Joel: Hey IDFireflies, you stole my weapons
>IDF: and?
>J: I want them back or else
>IDF: Bring that T_T to our base and we'll give them back
>J: Ok
>lots of struggling days later
>J: Here she is! Cheeky little brat! Now where are my stuff
>*Israelly Defence Fireflies have the right to defend themselves against the owner of those guns they stole*
>J: What the fuck?
>IDF: Oh and we're going to kill the brat too
>J: WHAT THE FUCK?
>*Joel holocausts them*
>Joel saves the T_T too
>The end
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>>737548064
there's no self defence everyone just shoots on sight in the TLoU universe, at no point does he try to defuse the situation with any of the groups he meets
because in the end it's still a game, it's still a tps, and you need bad guys to kill for gameplay purposes
but in the end Joel slaughtered tons of these guys without any second thought and walked away when he finally reached his objective, just like Ellie did
except Joel didn't want to do it in the first place (that woman had to convince him first), and Ellie was conflicted about doing it because of her relationship with Joel, but in the end was pushed to it because she felt she had an obligation towards Joel and Tommy finally managed to convince her, so she left her comfy family "utopian" home (in the context of the game) not because she wanted to but because she thought she was obliged to
and that's why both of them walking away when finally getting to their objective makes sense in the context of the game, despite them being mass murderers (like many other characters in these games btw)
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>>737548398
Whoa anon, I remember it happening just a little different.

>IDFireflies had conquered the middle east, forming the holy land
>Joel waltzes into IDFireflies territory
>IDFireflies try asking Joel super nicely to totally turn around and go again
>Joel laughs, telling the IDFireflies to surrender, or he would have nuclear weapons ready in two weeks to destroy them all
>The IDFireflies call in the LGBTQ to fight Joel
>Joel unleashes a mushroom plague of anti-woke that turns everyone into anti-IDF clickers
>IDF tries to protect Ellie from the evil Joel
>Joel laughs and holocausts them anyway, running off with Ellie
>Joel still sends the IDF ransom letters to this day

That's pretty much how I remember it from TLOU2 anyway.
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>>737548163
>>737548275
yeah that's the point
Joel is a mass murderer, what would one more death change?
just like Ellie is a mass murderer, what would one more death change?
they both walk away, but for some reason Ellie walking away seems to trigger you
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>>737548492
like this defusable scene where people laid a trap for them and joel had to survive somehow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsfO1MLE4k
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>>737537346
/v/ dispised this game until they killed Joel in 2.
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>>737548569
>yeah that's the point
Lmao this rabbi didn't even play the games, he's just on here defending it according to his posting manual
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>>737548558
>Sarah died in TLOU1 because Joel was 2 weeks away from making nuclear weapons.
HOLY MOTHER OF KINO DRUCKMANN I KNEEL
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>>737548595
yeah exactly like this short 10min scene in a 15hours game where the main character shoots on sight the rest of the time lmao
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>>737548350
You missed the drama about subscription for heated steering wheel and seats in BMW?
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
But I guess there are differences in equipment between US versions and European versions, didn't care enough to check that.
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>>737548704
>every ambush in this game is diffusable actually if joel wasn't trigger happy
really?
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>>737548642
funny you never actually asnwer shit and always go for the jews
did a jew cuck you? ate your dog? shat in your mailbox? why the obsession, genuinely mindbroken
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>>737548763
It was answered. You're just too stupid and jewish to understand.

>O-OY VEY, JOEL HAD A CONTRACT
>HE SAID HE WOULD DELIVER THE GIRL
>HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE WAVERED FROM THAT
>EVEN WHEN HE FOUND OUT, RIGHT AT THE END, SHE WOULD DIE
>IT IS A SHOAH TO VIOLATE A CONTRACT!
>IT IS THE SAME AS THE CHARACTER VOWING TO KILL SOMEONE
>KILLING HUNDREDS ALONG THE WAY
>THEN NOT KILLING THE ONE PERSON THEY WERE PROMISED TO KILL
>THAT IS ALSO A SHOAH
>THESE THINGS ARE EQUAL
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>>737548753
nah, just saying he never actually tries
and like I said before it's just a game and you need mindless shooting for it to be fun and engaging
so the world of TLoU is extremely violent on purpose, you can't blame Ellie for being violent even though the vast majority of the characters you meet in that game are extremely violent too
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>>737548881
yeah no I'm not reading those schizo greentexts
learn to behave like a fucking person or you fuck off, either way take your meds you really seem like you need it
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>>737548980
>jew is too stupid to read
No wonder you struggle with extremely simple plots like TLOU.



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