The prime games were always shit. Should've made the sequel to Dread.

How else would Tanabe retire out of nowhere?

>>738459458
The people that made Prime 4 have no idea what makes an interesting or good Metroid game. It deserved to die.

>>738459458
It's all the media fault for ganging up on a sweetty nerdy boy, the exact public of the series.

>>738459537
They are to my knowledge. It's MercurySteam's next game.

>>738459458
their mistake was trying to gain new fans at the cost of alienating their diehard fans, and also Austin TX becoming a turboliberal shithole

>>738459537
More like Metroid Dreadful Pile of Steaming, Rancid Shit.

>>738459458
It looked like a mobile phone game, which is fine for the switch 1 but not a good introduction for the switch 2

>>738459458
Should have just shat out the Bamco release in 2021 or so and saved the money.

>>738459458
Super Metroid is the only great official Metroid game. The Prime series never lived up to its potential.

>>738459537
>Popular and well liked thing actually was always bad
I hate faggots like you

>>738459576
Sadly for you we had an interview that shows that the only one that didn't know what was he doing was Tanabe. Retro legit tried given how bad was the first version, the time constraints and Tanabe's bullshit

>>738459794
Not so popular and well liked looking at those sales huh?

>>738459458
>people hate late game mcguffin hunt that requires backtracking
I DON'T CARE I'M DOING IT AGAIN
>people hate late game mcguffin hunt that requires backtracking in MP2
I DON'T CARE I'M DOING IT AGAIN
>people hate late game mcguffin hunt that requires backtracking in MP3
I DON'T CARE I'M DOING IT AGAIN BUT THIS TIME EVEN WORSE BECAUSE IT'S SHITTY GREEN GEMS IN A HAMFISTED OPEN WORLD

Game deserved to flop. Tanabe deserved to be forced to retire.

>>738459814
I'm glad that this was the final straw and that Tanabe got fired. I remember reading he constantly interjected with his ideas and it made development unnecessarily difficult for everyone

>>738459458
>allegedly Nintendo's biggest budget game to date
>made by western developers
>fucking mega flops
Nintendo has truly entered into the current generation.

>>738459458
If you played this piece of shit you'd understand why no one bought it.

The fucking final boss is basically a jump rope section with NPCs

>>738459458
focus, S

>>738459861
Do we finally know if Tanabe is the one responsible for killing paper mario and making the entire franchise revolve around toad hunting? Or do people still debate if someone else was at fault for that

>>738459767
Fuck you, Metroid Fusion is great and Dread was okay.

>>738459458
This is sad because the game had some good things but the bad stuff outnumbered them.

>>738459458
There should be a law where games can't be announced until they're one year away from releasing.

>>738460025
Fusion is shit, has no sequence breaking and is just flat out boring progression wise. At least Mission Zero was fun.

Dread was ass. Euros can't make a good game.

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>>738459767
I did not like Super Metroid

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>>738459935
Tanabe talked about how a shower handle inspired the main gimmick of The Origami King. It was always him. He's not been a positive force for games he's worked on since the mid 00s

>>738460113
Not quite as extreme as those, but I keep track of Switch 2 prices on Amazon and MP4 has been $60 instead of $70 for a couple of months now. Which might not seem like a big deal but no other first party Switch 2 edition has had any price drop at all.

>>738459458
>playing prime 4
>got to the faggot Miles
>speech volume: 0
>subtitles: off
>now he's just a faceless soldier guy that gestures during cutscenes
It honestly makes everything so much better. I don't even know how bad it is because I'm simply refusing to allow my ears to hear this shit.

is this the only game that hasn't printed money for nintendo
is this the only game that prominently features voice acting as well
curious

>>738460113
How is Air Riders? I picked up Prime 4 from Costco cause it was half off and it's alright so far.

Go woke go broke

>>738460338
Hilariously, Mario Tennis Fever underselling a Wii U game and DK Bonanza not having legs is what caused Nintendo to pull back so much not this. They always knew that this was a money pit I think.

>>738459458
I wish Miles was this game's biggest problem

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>>738459935
Tanabe wanted to remove experience and have the sticker combat system from the start. He didn't want people to call Sticker Star an RPG. Tabata said in an interview that watching elementary students do arts and crafts inspired them to make the following games based on things like tape and colored pencils. When Tanabe was spouting the bullshit about not being able to have new characters or modify existing ones, Odyssey, Luigi's Mansion 3, and the Bowser's Inside Story remake did exactly that.

tl;dr: Yes.

>>738459767
So you'll buy the $70 remake, yes?

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Fuck you, I liked it.

>>738460354
>How is Air Riders?
It's a shallow, albeit fun game with dead online.

>>738459458
they killed the series
next time metroid goes 3D it wont be called prime anymore

>>738460259
>mute game
>still have to watch him and the other fangirl cunt waste time with their legs quirky scenes and the game still ends on trying to make you feel bad for them dying after a dogshit finale

>>738460259
>>738460338
It's funny Prime 4 put so much effort into these generic grunts and Samus is at her absolute worst "is a fucking brick wall" in the series ever.

>>738459458
What’s frustrating about this is now Nintendo is going to assume the Metroid series is the problem and not the fact that they had no idea how to make a game in general.

>>738460703
>Nintendo is going to assume the Metroid series is the problem
It bleeds money like F-Zero and Star Fox. All 3 should just be killed off.

>>738459537
>The prime games were always shit.
Terrible take. 1&2 are excellent, 3 is passable, Hunters is somehow a solid proto-class shooter on the DS.
>Should've made the sequel to Dread.
True

Eric won

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>>738460235
Some Walmarts have been brutal to the prices of their stock of Switch 1 and 2 games recently too.

>>738460789
I doubt it, he has completely lost his mind over starfox

>>738460259
I played the whole game like this.
And he still radios you to say YOU NEED TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE DESERT AND COME BACK TO THE JUNGLE RIGHT NOW TO GET THE ELEMENTAL BEAM UPGRADE THAT YOU ALREAD PICKED UP

>>738459458
I wonder if Nintendo will learn anything from this or they will once again put the stigma of "that thing only waito piggus care about that doesn't sell" on Metroid.

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>>738459458
APOLOGIZE

>>738460803
>Walmart
To be fair, minorities can't afford the Switch 2 or its games.

>>738460338
>is this the only game that prominently features voice acting as well
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD43QN6yMXQ

>>738460760
I wish Hunters got a console sequel. It was so cool but also the DS is not a place to play shooters

>>738459458
when are they gonna learn metroid fans are the only ones who buy metroid? all you gotta do is appeal only to metroid fans to sell metroid

>>738460879
Didn't Gols flop too?

Metroid was never good

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>>738459616
>It's MercurySteam's next game.
that came out last year

>>738460693
>grunts talk to samus
>samus doesnt say a thing because she is a rude bitch
she has a voice, doesn't she? or did getting raped by metroids make her lose her voice
why the hell did she not speak back to them? who came up with that decision? vast empty desert in the center that requires 20 hours of smashing green crystals with the bike, who came up with that?

>>738460803
Only at certain ones sadly. It's hit or miss like Costco.

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Here's all the Switch 2 games that have yet reached over 1 million sales as reported in the latest quarter. Beyond was so shit, it undersold on both systems.

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>>738460741

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>development hell for nearly a decade
>ends up structured worse than the first Prime game
>fell for the open world meme while also doing it worse than most games
>bike adds nothing of value
>new gimmick is shitty psychic powers that let you pull or move shit as if seventh gen didn't do this to death
>nothingburger villain with absolute dogshit motivation used only because he was popular years ago
>game is a fucking prequel
>marketing deliberately hid all the NPCs from footage
>game looks...fine
>Tanabe left with his tail between his legs
>where the fuck did all the time and money go
Good fucking riddance.

>>738461207
What's the asterisk on Hyrule Warriors mean

>>738461272
Star Fox needs to be moved to the Pikmin side
Miyamoto is literally the only reason it's even alive

>>738461319
>he was popular years ago
Skrattrax or whatever his name is was never popular

>>738461207
I'm guessing those are just games that have yet to sell a million TOTAL. Becuase I've seen a couple other surprising games that failed to GAIN an additional million last quarter.

>>738459458
Who lost more money? Nintendo and Prime 4? Or Sony and Marathon?

The prime series was always shit, metroid shouldn't have never gone 3D, shit has been as bad as 3D castlevania games

>>738459458
Wow, a new Metroid thread! Hiding this one too! I don't care about what you have to say about this subject anymore, you're repeating yourself!

>>738461371
>alive
Star Fox has been stuck with a remake/reboot/reimagining of the original SNES game for awhile

Though F-Zero is probably a better example

>>738459458
[GOOD NEWS]

>>738460983
And what do you call the game that the studio is currently working on? Word is its Metroid 6, a sequel to Dread and a Switch 2 exclusive due out sometime in 2027, announcement coming later this year.

>>738459814
I doubt that, considering Retro's previous project Harmony and the fact that they anonymously went to 4chan to ask people for ideas.

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>time to make Metroid 3D!
>make it an extremely linear corridor shooter with heavy backtracking because that's all Metroid is right?
>by the time we get to 4, they're doing N64 hub world shit
The only thing the Prime games ever did right was atmosphere.

>>738461331
It means it was only published in the West

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stop doing Prime shit and do a 3rd person game

>>738459458
Despite tendies and journos treating Metroid like a legendary, unmatched, insurmountable, unstoppable franchise, it simply doesn't have strong sales. Samus is the ONLY reason why Metroid even gets any level of recognition at all.

>>738460803
why is breath of the wild 5 dollars more on switch 2 while tears of the kingdom is the same price on both consoles?

>>738459458
I wonder how vinny feels, he was the only games absolute shill defender

>>738459568
Did Tanabe really retire?
That's music to my ears!

>>738461681
>tendies and journos treating Metroid like a legendary, unmatched, insurmountable, unstoppable franchise
>all shit on Prime 4
what did anon mean by this

>>738461704
>he was the only games absolute shill defender
He literally said he was incredibly disappointed while finishing the game.

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i was going to get it if it wasnt for that huge "open world" dessert bike clips. turned me way off

>>738460760
hunters is probably the best shooter on the DS

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>>738459458
I'm still very cross at this game. It almost plays like metroid, then I get to the shitty not-metroid parts, which is like every 10-15 min and the entire empty desert.

I didn't even bother playing it, which is funny considering how excited I was for the announcement ten years ago. I saw the trailers and I could immediately tell I wasn't going to like it.

>>738461772
interesting, during his livestream he shit on/mocked people who were ripping it apart
sounds like he was just disappointed but didn't outright hate the game like 99% of people did

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>>738461708
Unfortunately, Tabata is still around and was basically left to be his successor. She agreed with his decisions and is the other half responsible for killing Paper Mario and Dillon.

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>metroid fans shit on hollow knight and silksong for years, citing that prime 4 will btfo both of them
>prime 4 releases like a wet fart
>total radio silence from these shills

I think they should have added more and bigger desert sections.

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>>738461670
You just want Vanquish featuring Samus from Metroid series.

>>738460886
Same.
Hunters was great online for the first year or so before extreme cheating/glitch exploitation got too rampant/my L button stopped working from shooting too much.

>>738461902
By the end his thoughts were
>desert sucked
>Federation people sucked
>Sylux sucked
>final boss fight sucked
>ending was out of character
>Prime 5 can build off this

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>>738459458
Maybe making a Jewish Redditor self-insert and feminist vagina environmental design wasn't be best financial decision.

>>738459537
fpbp

>>738459458
So uh.. THAT just happened!!!

>>738461995
Prime fans were never real Metroid fans, those series only have the name on common

>>738462029
>This gameplay with Dark Souls environmental layouts
The 3D Metroid we were denied.

Honestly, Nintendo should shut down Retro Studios, they feel like a waste of money

>>738461885
It is.
But I'll always recommend CoD World at War too.
There's an amazing level where you start off as a tail gunner, parachute into a farm field, run to a city, and then blow up the tank that's holding down the town square.

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>>738461995
>Primefags threw a shitfit when Tropical Freeze was revealed because HOW DARE RETRO WASTE TIME ON A SHITTY 2D PLATFORMER
>Prime 4 couldn't outsell the Wii U version

>>738461902
His opinions almost perfectly matched the general consensus on the game.

When Prime 4 is trying to be an open world game, you're having a bad Metroid time.
When Prime 4 is trying to introduce a bunch of other characters they just come off as obnoxious, you're having a bad Metroid time.
When Prime 4 is trying to be a moody isolating atmospheric exploration game in a hostile alien world, it mostly succeeds, and you're having a good Metroid time.

>>738461708
He announced his retirement in late January.

Metroidfags are the biggest doomers in vidya

>>738462197
The two are antithetical, if you want it to play like a 3D action game like Vanquish you can't have Metroidvania level design, it has to be linear with levels, like Other M.

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>>738459458
it was a product of development hell and it shows, it's not a bad game, but it's one of the weakest main entries in the Prime sub-series. i would go as far as to say The Divide: Enemy Within on the old PSX is a better Metroid game than Prime 4
>Damn they really did not like Miles..
it's not just that, before release some believed it was going to be open world, but it's linear, despite the huge empty space that acts as a "hub" that connects to different self-contained locations, in some ways it's about as "open" as the Hyrule Field in OOT, an evolved form of it

if they still care about this franchise's legacy they need to make a high budget hand-drawn 2d Metroid game with Muramasa-tier visuals

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LFXuBwjAv7s

>>738462513
>its not a bad game
>>738462345
>it totally has good moments, we swear

I hate shills so much right now.

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>One game in the prime series shits the bed
>/v/: PRIME WAS ALWAYS SHIT METROID SHOULD ALWAYS BE 2D AMERICANS ARE CRAP ETC ETC
I hate you fags so fucking much

>>738462613
>One game in the prime series shits the bed
Primefags were screeching about Echoes fo YEARS

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>>738459458
>outsold by fire emblem engage, a game constantly mocked by salesfags for not reaching the heights of its predecessor
When push came to shove more fans showed up for a bad Fire Emblem game than a Metroid game they overhyped and demanded and waited countless years for.

>>738462416
I've got about 1,000,000 indie ode's to Metroid to scratch my classic Metroid itch, but indie ode's to Prime are rare to almost nonexistent. So I'm entirely dependent on Nintendo to figure out how to not fuck up Prime if I want my Prime fix.

>>738462345
>When Prime 4 is trying to be a moody isolating atmospheric exploration game in a hostile alien world, it mostly succeeds, and you're having a good Metroid time.
Every 'good' moment of Prime 4 is based on a better moment in an earlier game.
Example:
The frozen research lab where you go through it, turn on the power and leave after the monsters break containment is just an inversion of the Phendrana Drifts pirate base where you turn -off- the power and the metroids break containment as you fight your way out.

>>738462752
and now they wind waker it and it's considered the best one

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>>738462612
>I hate shills so much right now.
i'm not a shill, it's not a bad game. big rigs is a bad game, superman 64 is a bad game, sword of sodan is a bad game

i don't even want another 3d metroid game, i want metroid to go back to its roots with a 2d "metroidvania", but with painting-like hand-drawn visuals similar to Muramasa

>>738462868
I would rather play big rigs than metroid prime 4.

>oh, instead of having a serious adventure, lets turn this game into some weird open-world slop with a quirky millennial sidekick constantly going "Bazinga."
>wait, we couldnt sell more than 1 million units?
>Well that just happened!

>>738462612
>"Nuance is hard" Anon thought.
>"Why can't things just neatly slot into one of two categories? "
>"Why do bad things have to have good parts and good things bad parts? It makes categorization so hard!"
>Anon was angry and perplexed by that seeming indifference the world had to his plight.
>"Its those shills" He said
>"They're the ones making it hard for me."
>"If only they'd just go away."
>But they didn't go away.

>>738462612
>it can't have any singular good moment at all, it has to be 100% horrendously irredeemable dogshit every single second of playtime and if you disagree then nintendo paid you to post on 4chan to support their game
I hate retards so much right now.

>>738463129
Genuinely why can't this board accept this? a flawed game can have good moments

>>738463129
>>738463068
>shills having a melty after being called out
Kek prime 4 doesnt have a single redeeming moment.

But for real though, what the actual fuck were they thinking with the Federation retards? Were they unaware of the decades worth of Metroid fans complaining about characters speaking in Other M? Did they think portraying Samoose as a stone cold badass would singlehandedly placate the masses?

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>>738459458
Who would’ve guessed that a barren open sand dune and a squad of chatty redditors didn’t belong in Metroid? Good on Metroid fans for standing their ground on series identity and not cucking like Zeldafags over the last decade.

>>738463301
>maybe if I say "shill" again, I'll be even more right!
I accept your concession. Try a third time, it might work.

>>738459723
Ok AVGN

>>738462862
It is the best one.

>>738463363
>still cant articulate any of these so called heckin epic moments

>>738463301
So you are a low IQ retard that can't handle a conversation with someone who has a different view than you so you just parrot "shill" and other buzzwords, got it.

>>738459458
>Sadly
Prime should've ended at 3. It was a good ending that wrapped up everything it needed to. 4 was always an unnecessary prospect, never mind grounds for a mediocre revival.

>>738463397
I didn't say it wasn't

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>>738459458
should've made a better game

>>738463327
I bet you anything if you asked anyone in Nintendo of Japan to explain why Other M failed they wouldn't be able to.

>>738463424
Shills are incredibly easy to spot. Sorry man. I recommend hiding yourself better next time.

>>738459458
maybe like 20% of the game was good, the rest of game ranged from mediocre to bad. fans want to cope that it was all bamcos fault but that’s too convenient and not how game development works. There’s a lot in that game that Bamco couldn’t have made. Particularly the story and writing that would have been scrapped/minimized during the transfer if Retro didn’t like it

>>738461670
>Turn Metroid into shitty rollslop
I'm so glad /v/ doesn't make games or influence the industry in any meaningful way.

>>738459576
Orchestrated. It's an Other M situation - like how Team Ninja had to listen to Sakamoto's bullshit, Retro had to work with what Tanabe gave them.

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The funniest part is if they don't follow up on the cliffhanger or make another Prime game, and decide to just make another 2D Metroid because Dread sold better and cost less to make, then it's just gonna seem like Samus left all the annoying NPCs to die for no reason in this game's ending.

>>738461670
Literally Other M if de-Sakamoto'd.

>>738462105
>complaining about vaginatechture in an Alien ripoff

>>738463327
>what the actual fuck were they thinking with the Federation retards
Prime was always playing catchup with FPS of the time. They probably saw how people liked squads from Gears of War and Halo and thought "Hey, we can do that"

>>738459458
Its time to put the entire Metroid franchise to rest. Its never going to sell what it needs to sell to be one of Nintendo's big franchises.

>>738459794
>popular
Only Prime 1 dumbass.

>>738463842
>if it's not big then it deserves to die
You should work for Sony. Also, Dread sold over 3 million copies so it's not like this series can't eke out some performance.

>>738459458
The worst part is that they had a model in Metroid over how do a companion and not make him annoying: in some ancient metroid comic, samus once teamed up with some bounty hunter dude, he was a little quirky but could stand his ground, it helped he looked like aquaman from batman brave and bold with a viking like haircut.

>>738461726
Prime 4 isn't the only flop in the franchise though

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>>738463541
Been rollslop since 1986

>>738463327
I still can't get over mute Samus.
Obviously Samus doesn't talk in some games. Buy it's usually because there's no one to talk to or because she's being addressed in a way that would not require a response. Prime 4 is full of
>Myles: What do you think Samus?!
>Samus states blankly
>Myles: ERM, awkward...
Meanwhile she just spoke openly in the last two games.
It's like she suddenly contracted non verbal autism.

>>738459458
>journos killed another franchise
chuds can only hope they have a fraction of that power

>My son you can have low sales goty quality game
>or
>you can have low sales QUALITY game

Something not mentioned is how you have two version of the game and they are being counted as different things instead of combining their sales.
It doesn't make sense to have the Switch 2 edition as an entirely different count and make it look like the series sold half of what it did.

>>738460416
Mario Tennis Fever didn't sell 1 million copies either since it wasn't on the report today. The market has rejected the $70 price tag for these lesser games.

>>738464359
That's obvious bro, MP4B was already confirmed to have sold a million copies. It's just that neither skus have sold 1 million individually, and since it's the end of the FY there will never be a sales update on this game again.

>>738463605
I'm here for it.
>>738463619
I replayed Other M shortly before Dread released. It was a terrible experience.
But it could be salvaged.
The good ideas it has are:
>Revealing the GF has multiple habitat space stations and parallel Metroid breeding programs
>Explain the Ridley corpse in Fusion as being Little Birdie and not original Ridley
But needs a bunch of gameplay tune-ups, needs to make Adam's sacrifice actually worthwhile, and should just zap Samus's inventory magically instead of having her wait for permission to solve simple puzzles or TURN ON BASIC DEFENSIVE ARMOR FUNCTIONS.

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>>738459458
Haven't played it, never will

>>738459814
>time constraints
they had like 5 or 6 fucking years, complete bullshit they could've made the whole game from scratch in that timespan and they were given some shit that was what, 1 or 2 years already into development?

there was more than enough time, it was incompetence all around, nobody knew what the fuck they were doing

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>>738462197
Yeah, I'm sure that's what they were going for.

>>738464359
If neither sold more than a million, then it sold less than Dread, which likely cost a fraction to produce due to Prime 4's exceptionally troubled production.

>>738464792
Meant for >>738463741
Must also be an oversight that all the penis and rape iconography was omitted from this '''homage'''.

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>>738464694
If a legendary person appeared and did what no human should be expected to do, I'd also comment how she turned into a fucking ball.
That sort of comment has been exactly what they'd say since Prime 2.

>>738463946
Its not enough for Nintendo though. They pumped too much money into Prime 4 and for it to not even sell a million units is very bad. Considering the budget and marketing it did get it should have at least sold what Dread sold by now. I would argue it should have sold over a million within a week. Of all of Nintendo's franchises that have been long running none seem to be more sorrowful with the lack of sales than Metroid.

>>738464965
They are npcs. They are not allowed to talk. They are to shut up and do their job. This is not a damn snoy movie.

>>738459537
I probably wouldn't say "shit", but they were all mediocre at best. That includes Prime 1.

>>738465045
How bad of a social reject do you have to be to have that reaction to anyone talking.

>>738464965
And if it was Bimblo: Space Hunter Extraordinaire, I wouldn't give a shit. But it doesn't work for Metroid. It would be like if Kingdom Come Deliverance 3 had a space battle sequence

>>738459458
I still wonder how the Bandai Namco prime 4 would've turned out compared to the version we got. Reminder that autistic metroid fans are the reason it it was delayed and turned out the way it did. Nintendo knew they'd sperg out if they found out prime 4 wasn't developed by retro, a studio that was basically a skeleton crew at that time and had to cobble together a new team who had little to no experience with series just so they could appease those freaks and be like. LOOK! SEE! Retro is developing it! Get excited they made the other ganes you enjoyed. It's RETROOOOOO!

>>738465167
How big of a disingenuous faggot do you have to be to not recoil in cringe at the awful dialogue?

>>738464965
>If a legendary person appeared and did what no human should be expected to do, I'd also comment how she turned into a fucking ball
Yeah, you're a fucking redditor.

>>738465227
I don't have a breakdown when an NPC audibly reacts to things happening around them instead of silently posing in place for the duration of the game.

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>>738459537
They're not shit, but I also don't find them particularly fun. Still, I'd much rather see more games like them then whatever the AAA industry is doing these days

>>738464694
Is "doing morphball" even correct grammar?