Compared to the first game the writing is dogshit.
>HOOOOO PARTNER, I SURE DO LOVE THEM DARKIES AND BLACKS AND NON-BINARY TYPES! WE COULD ALL LEARN A THING ER 2 BOUT RESPECT FROM THEM YA HERE?!people unironically say this is a well-written game
https://www.rancholoscerritos.org/black-on-the-range-african-american-cowboys-of-the-19th-century/
>>738959496>>738961086Now look, any feller can air his lungs as he pleases, but you'll damn well pay your tab if I hear it.
>Why yes, of course these rugged outlaws in the 1800s had the exact same political stances as modern shitlibsThis writing of characters in fictional historical settings is purposefully wiring normies' brains to believe that these were genuinely common beliefs of the time. It's fucking evil, and I hate it.
>>738962102A lot of you hobby historians are just as ignorant. Plenty of people sympathized with natives and recognized how exploitative land deals were, same as how you pretend anti-racism didn't exist back then even though America had a whole civil war about it.
>>738962306>America had a whole civil war about itYou're the same type of faggot to compare antifa to allied soldiers during WW2 because they were both fighting le hecking fascism. It's not the fucking same and you know it.
>MICAH, HOW DARE YOU ACT LIKE AN OUTLAW!
>>738962306i'd say 20 people is "plenty" to fill a room. no more than that cared about the scalpers and rapers
>>738962640Abolitionism was a huge and largely popular movement in the US and elsewhere during the 19th century and recognizing the humanity and dignity of the black population was an intrinsic part of that belief.
>>738962102>people living on the outskirts of society and morality having non-mainstream political views??! NOOOOOO ITS WOKE ITS WOKEthis retard never heard of john brown >>738962306>I-I-ITS NOT A 1:1 PERFECT ANALOGY SO I AM NOW SILLY legitimately read a book and interact with any human being without a screen between you, you are both contrarian faggots
>>738961086do people unironically believe that meme is what the game is like
>>738962992>recognizing the humanity and dignity of the black populationlincoln, the republican president elected on the abolitionist platform, wanted to repatriate blacks b/c he felt they could not meaningfully contribute to a liberal society. he was not alone in this believe, and it was common among abolitionists.
>>738963143As usual, conveniently pivoting away from how Lincoln abandoned this belief in the formation of the reconstruction agenda.
>>738963059How dare you post apollo with your dogshit opinion, you lazy eyed FAGGOT
>>738963217he pivoted at the grave.
>>738959496>Us evil crackers sure are bad I reckonThere needs to be a White term for an "Uncle Tom">>738963217that's a myth, Lincoln wanted black resettlement until his dying day. He just mismanaged black resettlement as badly as he mismanaged the war.
>>738963228Apollo says trans rights, deal with it faggot
>>738962102It's not just videogames, read any historical fiction and the main characters will have the same outlook and values of wealthy liberals in modern LA.
>>738963423>Us evil crackers sure are bad I reckonWhen did Arthur say anything even remotely close to that, are we talking about the game or are we just making blue hair XD jokes like it's 2011
got a low effort, castrated, AI (You)
Never let a European write a story based in America's past, they can't even stomach racism in historical context.
>>738961086>You keep on misgenderin’ folk, Dutch. Now that ain’t right. that was the moment I dropped the game ngl
>>738959496People say this game is the best game ever/v/ says it's woke garbageWhich is it?
>>738963840it's mid.
>>738963713You really think this wasn't written by Americans?
>>738959496I haven't played the first game, but the thing that I don't understand in 2 is why Arthur can easily be a "good outlaw" since the beginning.Considering what happened later in the story, it would make more sense if he's more ruthless though not to the level of evil, just being an actual outlaw, so the second half of the story hit harder. "Oh he was an asshole at the start of the game, now he's paying the price". I feel like a lot of bad things he did like the debt collecting stuff was almost forced on him (at least when you play as a good guy)So when all the shit starts happening to him and he's like "oh I've been such a bad guy" it doesn't have any impact cause he's not a bad guy.Niko did it better in GTA4. He's not an evil guy, but he's a cold blooded mercenary who would do anything as long as he gets paid. When things caught up with him at the end you kinda can feel his remorse.
>>738963601https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqlS1H6u1RY>>738963727wtf are you babbling about, schizo?
>>738963713but the best cowboy movies are italian made
>>738962102You don't have to be a woke lib to realize Indians got fucked in the ass
>>738959496What is wrong with Anglos
>>738962306>Plenty of people sympathized with natives and recognized how exploitative land deals wereYale university students maybe. Not hardened, barely educated criminals. Most people were wary of Indians because nobody wanted to accidentally walk into their territory and get scalped which happened all the fucking time.>same as how you pretend anti-racism didn't exist back then even though America had a whole civil war about itThe civil war was fought over the right to leave the union. This is how people actually framed it in their minds. The federal governnent had grown significantly stronger since its inception. Nobody was fighting "for" niggers. Niggers were seen as retarded semi-humans even in the Union.
Indians were slaughtered left and right with their faces scalped and heads cut off, it was for sure easy for people to see how brutal that was, nevertheless that wasn't them, so they didn't really care and pointed their fingers at the misfortune.
>>738963059>duuude living in a harsh world on the edge of morality and society makes people tolerant and progressive!!Retarded logic aside, this is not what it was like and you know it. The vast majority of people in those circumstances did not have anything like what we would call progressive views and you're being a dishonest faggot.>b-but muh exceptionNo one cares
>>738963840It's a decent sandbox with some surprisingly deep hunting mechanics. The story missions are boring moviegame slop. It's like how GTA is fun for a bit if you run around going on shooting sprees but gets boring if you start playing the missions as intended
>>738962102>why yes these rugged outlaws in the 1800s had the exact same political sensibilities as internet dwelling, overly politicized autists who can't look a woman in the eye
>>738964660I want story not openworld pointless bullshit
>>738964764Anon, you're gay.
>>738964764>retarded strawmanEvery single time.
>>738964634Dutch's crew is not like most outlaws, he purposefully wanted outcasts and wanted to put on this front of sophistication 'man of the people' type it was more cult-y
>>738964764the average chud beliefs are closer to denizens of 19th century america because chuds actually read 19th century literature on phrenology and oswald spengler and evola and other oldhead shit you've never heard of because you read faggot shit for 100iqs like ta-nehisi coates
It's very simple:You like these games?You are a fucking idiot.
>>738964764No one is asking the rugged outlaws to start ranting about trannies nor is anyone asking for them to call random people niggerfaggots so your point is false.
>>738964787then play rdr1. the story in rdr2 is okay /v/ is just exaggerating how gay it is. It's definitely less gritty and "real" than 1, feels more theatrical
>>738959496They're both mid
>>738964764Anon, all the RDR games take place at the far, far end of the frontier period. RDR 2, the prequel game is in 1899+.
>>738965019I already played 1
>>738964507>Niggers were seen as retarded semi-humans even in the Union.Reminder that Lincoln wanted to send them all back.
>>738965117if you didn't think 1 was openworld slop or movie slop then you'd probably like 2, probably moreso because 2 is just a better game
>>738963713It's always Anglos
>>738962306Slavery was a tangential part of the civil war. Even Lincoln, who made the emancipation proclamation, only used that as a propaganda "gotcha", and planned materially to send all niggers back to africa after the war.
>Be me, valet. Rapid City South Dakota>Running to get cars every morning>Bump into homeless native lady and asked if I had water>Say not at the moment but if she stays put I'll get her some>Get her some >Tells me to say something like "Wah chesh noop" if I see any of 'them' getting too loud.>I asked "What does that mean???" >"Oh. They'll know. Thank you for the water though sweet boy!"I ain't ever saying it but always wondered what it meant.
>>738965281@grok is this true"No. That claim mixes a few real historical details with major distortions.Slavery was not a “tangential” issue in the American Civil War — it was the central cause of secession and therefore the central cause of the war. The Confederate states said this explicitly in their own secession documents, repeatedly identifying slavery as the issue they were leaving the Union over.It is true that Abraham Lincoln initially framed the war primarily as an effort to preserve the Union. Early in the war he publicly said that saving the Union was his top priority. But that does not mean slavery was secondary overall, nor that Lincoln was secretly indifferent to it. He had opposed the expansion of slavery for years before the war.The Emancipation Proclamation was also much more than a propaganda move. It:declared enslaved people in Confederate-held territory free,made abolition a formal Union war aim,weakened the Confederacy diplomatically,and allowed Black soldiers to serve in the Union Army in large numbers.It was strategic, political, and moral at the same time — not just a “gotcha.”The part about sending Black Americans to Africa is based on a real but often exaggerated historical fact. Lincoln did support some colonization proposals earlier in his presidency, reflecting ideas that were common among many white Americans at the time. But there was never a realistic plan to deport all Black Americans to Africa, and Lincoln moved away from colonization ideas later in the war. By the end of his life, he was publicly supporting limited Black citizenship and voting rights.So the accurate version is:slavery was the core issue behind the Civil War,Lincoln initially prioritized preserving the Union,emancipation became central to the war effort,and Lincoln briefly entertained colonization ideas, but not a practical plan to remove all Black Americans from the country."very educational.
>>738964204and the people who made those are long gonepeople who make movies nowadays both in europe and in america hate those guys and everything they did and stood for
>>738964169at least he didn't say the n word. Thank g-d
>>738964257you do have to be a faggot cocksucker if you think that anyone living in that era would have the same position as nowadays cucked libs tho
>>738964634Yeah you're right, people a hundred and thirty fucking years ago did not have the exact same politics as people with the internetTreating people who look differently than you like human beings is not 'progressive', it was the norm for the vast majority of human history. America and the Western world is the outlier and the 'scientific racism' of the late 19th century that you base your entire understanding of history on was founded on a fundamental misunderstanding of eurasian steppe tribes and their effect on agrarian societies. Genuinely, please, I am begging you, read a fucking book rather than getting your entire education from #whiteboyswin on tiktok
>>738964660thisthe world is greatthe writting is crap
Replaying 1 after replaying 2, and 1 is clearly just better in pretty much every regard except graphic fidelity.John is a better protagonist, the story is better, the gunplay feels a lot more fun, John handles better, and the OST blows 2's out of the water. Ross is a much better antagonist than Micah or Milton. Oh also you can run around having fistfights and shoving people and 2000 cops don't show up to fucking obliterate you.
>>738965830Most people were very invested in the storyline and what would happen to the crew. The only shitty thing about is it had a weak first game that tied up a lot of loose ends, so the 2nd game was forced to have a very flaccid ending where most of the characters exit stage right
>>738965598It was about States' Rights and their autonomy apart from the US Federal Government.This is highschool shit anon.
>>738965281Slavery is the whole reason people in the modern day vote for the Republicans and not Whigs. This downplaying of how controversial slavery was is strictly a modern reactionary invention. Lincoln paying political lip service and saying he wanted to deport freed slaves (while still seeking audience from black abolitionists) does not mean he didn’t detest slavery.
>>738965598>slop
>>738965598>unironically ai sloppingyou are a bugman. read source material
>>738965785>Treating people who look differently than you like human beings is not 'progressive', it was the norm for the vast majority of human history.You lie as easily as you breath.Euros were waging merciless war for DECADES over what type of fucking CHRISTIAN they were.The Muslims swept through Spain and held it for a hundred years, only to be fought back by a tiny force of Christians.Niggas have been killing eachother for the tiniest reason since the dawn of man.
>>738959496My favorite thing about this game is "akshually you aren't allowed to kill indians, this is a reservation a no weapons are allowed.
>>738966063>RACISM WAS HISTORY>lists a bunch of theological conflictsI accept your concession you retarded ape
>>738964507>>738965281>The civil war was fought over the right to leave the union>Slavery was a tangential part of the civil warLOL
>>738965785>Treating people who look differently than you like human beings is not 'progressive', it was the norm for the vast majority of human history.Waow, I've never read a historical statement that's so factually wrong being uttered with such banal certainty.
>>738965948@grok is this true?"The American Civil War did involve disputes over federal vs. state power. Southern leaders argued that states had the right to leave the Union and govern themselves without federal interference.But the key question is: states’ rights to do what?In practice, the central issue was the right of slaveholding states to preserve and expand slavery. The Confederacy’s own leaders and secession documents repeatedly said slavery was the reason for secession.There’s also an important irony: many Southern politicians who argued for “states’ rights” also supported strong federal laws like the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which forced free states to help capture escaped enslaved people. So the principle was not consistently “small federal government” in general — it was largely about protecting slavery.So a more historically accurate phrasing would be:“The war involved conflicts over federal versus state authority, but the primary issue driving those conflicts was slavery — especially the South’s desire to protect and expand it.”no one can really test me why I shouldn't trust a database that can scour across the Internet parsing information all of human history. the invention of AI tools has completely dismantled a lot of arguments anons can make because it is so easily disproven with 100% accuracy>>738966003>>738966060
>>738965785>Treating people who look differently than you like human beings is not 'progressive', it was the norm for the vast majority of human historyHow do you even come to a conclusion so disconnected from reality and human nature? Like genuinely, wtf is wrong with you? This is beyond reality denial. You would get killed anywhere in the world at any time anywhere for looking weird because that's human nature. Except white nations which have at best compassion and at worst indifference. We could send your pasty ass to the congo right now and you'd end up necklaced.
>>738966137>Humans were willing to massacre each other over ideology>THERE'S TOTES NO WAY NO HOW THAT HUMANS WOULD DO THE SAME OVER SOMEONE LOOKING DIFFERENT, TALKING DIFFERENT, ACTING DIFFERENT NOOOO SIRREE BOBBIE BOY NUH UH NO WAYYou can just stop being disingenuous anon.So how about the Huns trying to invade Japan?Or the Huns vs the Chinese?Or the English vs the Africans?Or the Colonists vs the American Indians?Or the French vs the American Indians? Or the Spanish vs the Aztecs?Or the Yamato vs the Ainu?Like I'm not even well read, I'm pulling all of these from memory.You legitimately need to slit your wrists, anon.>>738966143Yes, the South wanted to say 'peace out niggas' to the North and the North battered them into staying like a housewife.
>>738966060Where do you think AI gets their text from, it's all source materials. Many people don't want to be educated though unfortunately.
>>738966137>>738966143>smugly proclaims xe's right>is actually completely wrongtranny dunning kruger
>>738966402My highschool APUSH teacher would bash his skull in with a textbook.
>>738959496well it was written at the peak of the SJW era.
>>738965598damn I didn't realize grok was this pozzed.
>>738966342Gee, they sure do spend a lot of time talking about something that didn't really matter to them!I think Lincoln is one of the worst Presidents we ever had and even I know the Civil War was about slavery.
>>738966361AI can't even tell you with accuracy what motivated hitler in WW2 even though all the documents are out there. Every model is injected with modern political pozz. You are intellectually lazy getting the clanker to think for you and you can't even use JSTOR. Get fucked
>>738965598>>738965961You're brown
Slavery is wrong because it brought niggers to AmericaIt's also wrong because most owners were disproportionally Jewish.
In the first game John literally says it's time for a female president but you fags will overlook this because you're culture war faggots. It's not even that far into the game, maybe try playing it.
>>738966540It was about a states' right to null and void unconstitutional decisions made by the federal government you dumb nigger.Nullification Crisis of 1828
>>738959496>>738961086you sound as annoying as the wokies you're complaining about
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>>738966540>whoa look at how many times ctrl f slavery appeareds in this one documentMeanwhile less than 1% of white people owned slaves. Nobody knew anyone that owned slaves. The average poor southern farmer had some cattle and enough crops for the farmers market not tobbacco or cotton. Why would you give a shit about something you have no stake in? They fought because they thought they'd be economically wiped out if they didn't.
>>738966361We got a brownie in here folks.I can tell just from his sentence syntax.
>>738966769Are you retarded?>Under the supervision of a superior race their labor had been so directed as not only to allow a gradual and marked amelioration of their own condition, but to convert hundreds of thousands of square miles of the wilderness into cultivated lands covered with a prosperous people; towns and cities had sprung into existence, and had rapidly increased in wealth and population under the social system of the South; the white population of the Southern slaveholding States had augmented from about 1,250,000 at the date of the adoption of the Constitution to more than 8,500,000 in 1860; and the productions of the South in cotton, rice, sugar, and tobacco, for the full development and continuance of which the labor of African slaves was and is indispensable, had swollen to an amount which formed nearly three-fourths of the exports of the whole United States and had become absolutely necessary to the wants of civilized man. With interests of such overwhelming magnitude imperiled, the people of the Southern States were driven by the conduct of the North to the adoption of some course of action to avert the danger with which they were openly menaced.If you can read that passage and think it had nothing to do with slavery, you're a complete moron.
2 more years and it'd be a decade of these same threads being made over and over. don't you guys have anything better to do?
>>738965741Show your work.
>>738966586slop is so inaccurate because it pulls incorrect data. I forget what it was but I googled something not long ago and the AI summary was just flat out wrong, not even in terms of opinion or perspective but just misinformedThen I see there's a reddit thread on the question and half the responses were just guesses (incorrect ones) so the machine just pooled all the answers together into nonsense
>>738965948a state's right to do what anon
>>738966852No you have to argue honestly here nigger. That's a letter to fucking congress. I'm talking about the average grunt and the sentiments of average people. Also you picked an example where they talk about it obviously slavery is a major topic in that letter but that's not what I said.
>>738962102Wouldn't it make sense that outlaws find alot in common with other outlier peoples
>>738966741fag
>>738966741
>>738966604>>738966840You're angry because it's 100% true lol and I say that without any joking, the AI can dismantle the arguments so effortlessly with sources, quotes, it's impartial enough to admit where you can be right but at the same time where you're exaggerating fact to work some kind of retarded angle. Incredible tool. And notice how there was zero attempts to try and disprove any of what it said? It's because it's impossible, that is the truth right there and being educated is within your grasp. Seething faggots
>The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention, on the twenty-fifth day of June in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution, were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slaveholding States.Wow, another secession document that directly mentions slavery... Huh... It's almost like it was a big deal to them or something!
>>738967046>I'm talking about the average grunt and the sentiments of average peopleyou act like regular people aligning themselves with the ruling class despite not even being close to the same level as them is unheard of, when that's been the MO of the ruling class since the dawn of the ruling class. most people did not own plantations in the south, yet a whole lotta them died to protect that right.
>>738967184You can literally just tell an AI "actually that's wrong sources say" and the AI will say "oops you're right. Sorry." on any topic. You're lazy and retarded for trusting it.
I wonder how it's in /his/ right now with spergs using fucking AI as primary sources.
>>738967367?
>>738967235>making up a whole strawman on the spot to pull out a cope winyeah you need to rope asap, you're a dumbass coper tranny freak. Broad shoulder adams apple ass ugly freak. Your family is right to hate you. Ugly and brown like poop. Norwooding. Everyone here sees how retarded you are and you stick out like a sore thumb. Sneed and die
>>738967367"That criticism points to a real limitation of AI, but the conclusion goes too far.AI systems can sometimes:accept incorrect corrections too easily,sound confident when mistaken,or fail to distinguish strong evidence from weak evidence.So you should not treat an AI as an unquestionable authority. For historical claims especially, it’s good practice to compare against primary sources, academic historians, or reputable reference works.But that does not mean every AI answer is worthless or that using AI is “lazy.” The better question is whether the claims can be independently verified.In this case, the core points I gave are easy to check against mainstream historical evidence:Confederate secession documents explicitly mention slavery.Lincoln’s writings show both his early priority on preserving the Union and his evolving position on emancipation.The Emancipation Proclamation had concrete legal, military, and diplomatic effects.Lincoln did explore colonization proposals, but historians do not describe this as a realistic plan to deport all Black Americans.Those are not fringe interpretations — they are standard conclusions across modern Civil War scholarship.">>738967184>it's impartial enough to admit where you can be right but at the same time where you're exaggerating fact to work some kind of retarded angle.
>>738967570>copy pastes ai slopyou can't even think for yourself. you can't even paraphrase this shit because you can barely read it yourself
>>738967553how is it a strawman when you're doing it right now? here you are in your free time doing the culture war at the behest of the ruling class to divert attention away from class disparity. you'd be the kind of dipshit being sent off to die in the civil war because >I could be a plantation overseer one day!not even an owner, just a middle manager. thank you for service, now die for my profit margins like the good little cuck you are
>>738967230>>738967184The Civil War was fought because men in the south believed they could remove themselves from a relationship of states they deemed unfit for their prosperity.Was slavery included in that? Yes. But what was slavery but a part of the southern economy? You also had the matter of representation, whether slaves counted as votes in congress (3/5ths). You also had the massive tariffs that were set for 20~ years that greatly affected the southern economy because they imported a lot of shit. You had a difference growing between southern and northern states. The North was manufacturing and urban, the south was more agrarian and rural. This led to two distinct societies with their own problems and ideas on how to solve them.As time went on, the northern states pushed more and more laws and changes that affected the south. The south saw this as an act of aggression and chose to leave the union. This led to the civil war.
>>738967774No I'm just insulting you because you can't argue, just like right now you're doing it again. Gay little sociopath
>>738967983>you can't argue - man who has done nothing but called me stinkybutt and fartface ok
>>738967703No I am thinking for myself, I'm doing my diligence by fact checking these claims. I am uneducated, I do not know all this history and I don't care enough to go research it for an hour so I can dismantle arguments people make that care as little as I do. if the AI said well actually this anon is correct let me tell you why, I would have said that is very interesting and moved on with my life.This too>>738967776May seem nuanced, but even that can be dismantled in 10 seconds. Would you want me to copy paste it? Have 2 AI sloppa fight it out, one guy manipulating it into giving specific answers that make it seem their incorrect perspective isn't retarded? The narrative weaving is actually retarded no one wants to be educated anymore
>>738967098>picrelThe sentiment is right, but the meme as a whole is shit. The first sentence would have been plenty.
Whatever OP - I'll just stick to the original RDR, thank you very much.
>>738967774>Ruling classYou mean jews right?
>>738968076What's the point when you already ignored what I said to say "all white people are le bad and want to own slaves". Like unironically kill yourself, you are human waste
>>738968127the sentiment is cope, you gayboys all came here from reddit during 2016 and tried to replace the culture here because you're retarded hypocrites and made that image to try to paint people who were here before this place became your little culture war stomping ground as the outsiders.
>>738968185>man who accuses others of strawmanning invents a strawman and keeps doing adhom attackswow, what a shock. how could this have ever happened, this was wholly unpredictable.
>He doesn't care enough about the topic to research it.>But he WILL debate it in 4chan for HOURS.Classic.
>>738967703the people that rewrite and paraphrase AI to make it seem like they are the ones saying it larping as educatedl, deleting em dashes or whatever, are the brownest people to ever brown in this brown world
>>738967776Literally the best assessment of what it actually was. THE AVERAGE PERSON WASN'T WILLING TO DIE OVER SLAVERY. THE AVERAGE PERSON DID NOT GROW NON-EDIBLE CROPS. SLAVERY WAS FOR THE TOP 1% OF RICH JEWS. THEY WERE WILLING TO DIE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE NORTH WOULD MAKE THEM DESTITUTE.Now watch as the faggots will claim "actually this is wrong and the average poverty farmer was a bleeding heart faggot who actually WOULD die for niggers because he was a le psycopathic white man"
i wouldnt know. i never made it past the intro. force me to trot slowly while some dude is yapping at me will ya?
>>738961503>Some day in the future we decide to make movies about drifters that roam America and fight crime wherever they go. They never stay in one place long but they leave an impression on those around them. We give these people the nickname "burger flippers".>Um actually, did you know the majority of fast food employees were actually Black! You can see from mcdonalds employment records that they were actually mostly Black and hollywood is lying to you about-Kill more historians.
>>738962306>America had a whole civil war about it.A bit disingenuous. Even Lincoln wanted to ship the blacks back to africa, and had stated that he would still allow slavery to occur if it meant saving the union.
>>738963132Pay more attention, almost every side mission and a good part of the main mission is full of that, even if it is subtext.
>>738966342>I'm not even well readyeah we can tell by how you continually conflate race and ethnicity with culture. For every example of race-driven conflict (you posted literally zero by the way), you can find a dozen examples of multiculturalism being the reason a great power rose. People being of different races and being in conflict DOES NOT equal being in conflict BECAUSE of racial animus.What about Roman syncretism of auxiliaries from celts to Egyptians?What about the mongol empire's explicit solicitation of different culture's innate advantages to serve the administration's needs?Byzantine employment of norse warriors?All of these resulted in constant intermarriage of peoples and cultures.>>738966292You have never left your hometown much less your home country. I've traveled to Bolivia, Siberia, Kazakhstan, and Egypt and I've 90% been treated with respect and curiosity.>b-but criminalsyeah retard you can get stabbed by people who look like you toounbelievable. Why am I even bothering trying to talk to a bunch of unread virgins whose entire lens of reality is informed by 4chan
>>738968373I am researching and educating myself, with AI. Which is a lot more convenient of a tool than scouring the Internet. Why should I become a historian factchecking wikipedia to dunk on seething faggots. I unironically do want to learn that is why I am engaging with the thread and this source provides the most thorough honest answers
Really grim to realize a bunch of you are so young RDR is the only western you are familiar with. The trope of old west criminals sympathizing/feeling kinship with Indians and blacks is really, really old.
>>738964629>Attack a superior enemy>Get your shit pushed in in retaliationNOOOO that's not fair, that's too violent, this land is actually theirs somehow!
>>738959496Indians were not sold a deal. They lost wars, and signed treaties where they lost their land. The myth of americans swindling the indians out of their land is retarded and needs to die. It was conquered. The exact same way the indians got it. The "bad deals" are from indians who sued other indians in US courts and won. Then it was the "US" stealing from them, and giving to another indian.
Y'all Americans are so fucking weird.Can't even be racist right.
>>738966143>A man and woman are dating>The man wants to anal and asks for it every day>The woman says no>Eventually they both get fed up and they split up>Their friend ask what happened>The woman says it was because the man wouldn't respect her boundaries>The man says it's because she wouldn't do analThe civil war was about state's rights. Period.
>>738968886What a schizophrenic opinion, attempting to strip race out of every possible factor so that it's simply about something like skin color.So when I say I hate niggers because of their culture, I guess I'm not racist, good to know.
>>738968490they didn't own slaves but that doesn't mean only the tiny elite cared about. people aren't saying they were chanting "I'm fighting this to own niggers!!!!!" it's true they were fighting for loyalty to the state. but that doesn't mean the confederacy wasn't built around protecting slavery. That was the foundation of the government and the reason its leaders gave for seceding in the first place even to this day that is its identity
>>738964996I mean...I wasn't asking, but now that you mention it, it honestly sounds pretty funny.
>>738968886>but but I did heckin tourism! This proves all of history wrong!you've never been anywhere but a resort you yuppie faggot, the average street nigger who's never left his BLOCK has unironically has a better grasp of human nature than your false reality veil cope
>>738968828You might just be seeing something out of nothing, like when you save Sadie did you say holy fuck this woke game has me saving a WOMAN??? Is that how we are suppose to play games now
>>738968982If you were paying attention in class you would know we are talking about thousands of different events over a period of hundreds of years. It is therefore nonsense to talk about the displacement process happening in any specific way.
>Anons desperately trying to protect their gamer cred because they like a quirky chungus cinematic experience game.
>>738968506It makes the first one such a pain in the dick to play again too. So many games of that era did that shit.
>even chuds cannot conceive the idea of an immoral/evil character not being also racistthe left won the culture war bigly
>>738967057No, it would make sense if they killed people for profit and were fiercely protective of their own liberties while trampling on others' rights. Are you genuinely retarded? And everyone on the frontier despised Indians, sympathy for them was mostly relegated to the East Coast cities far from the fighting.
>>738968886>People being of different races and being in conflict DOES NOT equal being in conflict BECAUSE of racial animus.The gristly knots to which you attempt to entangle do not work here, niggerfaggot.What did those Celts end up doing to Rome?Tell me about what the Muslims thought about the Africans.
>>738969375Okay but how many confederate soldiers are actually gave a thought to slavery beyond "yeah we need that to run our big plantations". They more than likely saw it as a just matter of fact and a small part of the larger picture. The average person is going to care a lot more about things that affect them and their own econonic future directly. Likewise Union soldiers aren't in it to "save the blacks from slavery" they were more worried about what kind of a messy political future the union would have after the war. I could see the confederates being more motivated to fight than union soldiers given their situations. Instead there's this huge revisionism that the whole war was over the blacks.
>>738969758The protagonists of the game are not portrayed as evil, they're supposed to be sympathetic despite being murderous sociopaths. If they wanted to portray them as evil, they'd make them "racist," like they did with the antagonist who really isn't any worse than the protagonist.
This is off topic, please post about video games
>>738969758Dutch is evil BECAUSE he isn't racist
>>738967230>Ha, I found the word slave! That means I won the argument automatically!What can you even say to such stupidity? Brown people are too dumb to have any kind of conversation with.
>>738969914you could be correct but you said>everyone on the frontier despised Indians>EVERYONEthere actually people all walks of life including even some soldiers who criticized treatment of native tribes. Views varied a lot depending on personal experience and circumstance, even back then. Especially true for a fictional redemptive character like Arthur whose storyline is seeing the gang's time running out as the time's change running from the man, sympathizing the Indians is a natural story beat. Especially for the gang Dutch prided himself on helping people and being "civilized" those principles was how Arthur was raised
@grok summarize all of this /pol/schizo babble
>>738969518>like when you save SadieThe game is woke because sadie can't be saved.When the o'driscolls attack the plantation camp there's a part where you are tasked to check on sadie, who is behind the building. He you arrive you find her grappeling with an enemy, and if you shoot him there is no effect, you have to watch as she pulls a knife and kills the guy herself, because she doesn't need a mans protection.
Why wouldn't outlaws who hate the US government and have actual natives in their ranks come out with stuff like this? It's a Dutch line iirc, he also talks about wanting to go to Paris and join the commune, he is a full blown libtard. The leadership of the Van Der Linde gang, both Dutch and Hosea, are idealists who consider themselves enlightened progressive intellectuals, how they square that with also being thieves and murderers is what makes their characters interesting.
>>738970010it's true that is revisionism that it was all about slavery, but it is also revisionism to say it wasn't a central part. a lot of confederate soldiers saw it as their trampled culture and may have aspired to be a slaveowner, and regardless of the soldiers the government itself made it a direct point to make it arguably their main point of contention
Outlaws often hated the indians even with further gusto, given that it was one of the moralities left for them.Similar to how criminals in jail kill those accused of molesting kids. It's a way for them to retain a moral standard even when going against the law.
>>738970402Sure people had nuanced opinions but for the most part if you lived near indians you would fuck off from them because people on the frontier would get killed all the time randomly because one feathernigger was having a bad day. People have ideas and then there's reality which is cautious and practical. For the one guy that goes to "live with the indians" there's a dozen that end up turned into a teepee tent
>>738959496>get bored of modern games>start replaying old games and old games I meant to try way back but never got around to playign them>writing and acting for games I considered average or below average on this department are now amazing and old games I'm playing for the first time also have better writting and acting.'new bad, old good' may have some truth to it. something was clearly lost in translation these last couple of years
Doesn't this game take place in like 1899 or something? It makes sense for people to be more sympathetic towards injuns at this point because they're pretty much ALL FUCKING DEAD or reservation'd.There was probably a strong cultural divide where the older generation hated them but the younger generation recognized the "raw deal" and with some outliers on each side.
>>738962306why the fuck did you ignore that he said RUGGED OUTLAWS>>738964257but you'd also have to be retarded to take their side seeing how they lived
>>738970635In both cases, it's more common that they just want an easy target to kick around. They targeted Indians because they knew no one would give a fuck if they did, often including other Indians.
>>738970747I just think it is very exaggerated when people say there is no way this plotline with Arthur feeling sympathy for Indians could ever happen, and Dutch clearly did not care about them nor did most of the gang
>>738970402When people use the word "all" they rarely mean literally everything, please stop being autistic and come to terms with the vagueness of language. I'm well aware of the difference of views, a man like Andrew Jackson saw no contradiction between killing Indians and lamenting their downfall, and even many who hated them admired their fighting spirit. But still, the predominant sentiment was that they weren't human and killing them was practically a sport for many. As for the game, I have absolutely no problem with the notion that an outlaw might see something in the Indians, but their portrayal in the game is incredibly lame to the point of bordering on the disrespectful. Any chud would portray the savages in a more respectful way than the communists at Rockstar, which would include respecting them enough to include them as enemies, which *every* Western game should have.
>>738970618>a lot of confederate soldiers saw it as their trampled culture and may have aspired to be a slaveownerDo you have a source for this, because less than 1% of people owned slaves and it was a majority jew owned business, while basically everyone else was christian, so fundamentally slave owners would be a very enclaved class with a highly isolate culture. The majority of people simply didn't want to be impoverished by the North.
>>738959496the first game has barely any story if i hadn't played the second one i would have no clue what the game was aboutalsoGun>>>>>trash>>>RDR series
>>738962306Most tribes participated in the slave trade and bought and sold slaves. Weird how the same "historians" gloss over that fact.
>>738964660Nah it's the other way around. The missions are the only thing worth playing in the game. All the extra stuff is boring filler slop.>t. gave up on 100%
>>738971078>a majority jew owned businessYou should consider suicide. There's enough drooling idiots in the world who believe everything they read in a .jpeg, do the world a favor and decrease the number.
>>738971063the word "all" was actually very important, because that is the only reason why a character like Arthur couldn't exist. but because "all" is wrong a character like Arthur could exist
>>738965925Idk, I prefer RDR1's look better. RDR2 is just realistic. RDR1 is like stylized realism, like RE4, SH3, TLOU1.
>>738971056It just seems as maybe a bit out of character how nice he is to them for no reason, going to meet Eagle Flies's dad in the mountains and shooting at army soldiers just because he told them to, Arthur has all this self preservation towards the pinkertons but it's all out the window for mr. Heya hoya, the out is "Dutch and Hosea are liberal lunatics for their time and 'raised' him like that" but it's still just kind of cheesy. The skinner brothers should have been the resentful waipitis.
>>738962640There actually were genuine negrophiles at the time who saw it as their life's mission to provoke a Haiti-style slave revolt to genocide whites in America. These were the guys who funded the mentally ill terrorist John Brown, and eventually Lincoln was stupid enough to allow them to hijack his war effort. But these men were always cowardly city-dwellers from New England who enlisted others to do their murdering for them, they were never outlaws or soldiers themselves.
>>738971416It's been a long time since I played the game but I think it's just because he's friends with Charles, although obviously it's a vidya and Arthur just goes around doing quests as you do
>>738971272Uh oh melty alert. You can find the ledgers for who owned slave ships, it's all bergs and steins. Because in the talmud it's explicitly okay to do that because they're goyim. Are you perhaps beginning to understand? I hope this new information informs your updated worldview going forward otherwise you're willfully ignorant.
>>738969968> What did those Celts end up doing to RomeStole some stuff, not even 500 years later they would become culturally Roman and would literally die in holy wars for the Roman Empire, this is still ostensibly true for their descendants to this day. Every modern Celt is living in a culture with Roman bedrock with no desire to go back Celtic runes and barbarism.> Tell me about what the Muslims thought about the AfricansLike a third of all Muslims are African so the majority continued their conversion efforts despite cultural tensions, a good example that their are many things that are more important to people than race.
>>738971408RDR1 literally looks more realistic lol
>>738971496the BNWO trannies of their time
>>738971496What did Ubisoft mean by this?
There is definitely something to be said about Red Dead only portraying the natives as le heckin wise and peaceful. It's just pure reddit. It does them a disservice if anything because it makes them one dimensional. They should have included a hostile gang of natives that would use hatchets/bows. Makes Rockstar look like cowards too for not including this
>>738971570>You can find the ledgers for who owned slave shipsYes, I've seen the .jpeg you're referring. Is that supposed to impress me? You're still an idiot who has never read a book in his life.
Is she the worst character in a Rockstar game?
>>738971857you're just seething now
>>738966286>slop
>>738971972easily
>>738971972Not even a character. The generic girlboss in Revolver has more going on than her.
>>738971078if you look it up it was actually about 25% owned slaves before the war, widely ranging between regions and obviously it was all white Christians not jews lol and it being a factor even to regular soldiers is archived (James McPherson). they did care more about liberty etc but slavery was an inseparable normal component to their culture.>“Every Confederate soldier consciously fought for slavery above all else.”that is wrong>Many Confederate soldiers fought for reasons like home and local identity, but the society and political order they were defending were fundamentally tied to slavery.that is correct
>>738959496unironically, it is pretty poor writingthe best thing to do would be to write the character as a racist, about what you'd expect for the time period, and then write in a scenario where that viewpoint backfires. like gets you into a really bad situation.or, have that character fall into a situation that parallels a hardship experienced by the natives (your homestead is taken by the bank, contract, fine print, etc.)anyway, it's a video game. and video gamers are retarded so you've can't do anything subtle like that.
>>738971972Is it just because she's a girl, I didn't really see her as any worse than the other crew members
>>738971821They're not even real Indians. Real ones would feel like a totally alien race, instead they're just generic west coast hippies. If you can't blast redskins to pieces while they hoot and holler their awful war cries then your game isn't a real Western.
>>738971496>>738971743just say jews
>>738972207>30%Fake number derived from reddit, by omitting poor "non white but actually white" households like poles, italians, irish, scots, etc. and then bundling the households and last names together. Literal jew tactics. The real number is and will always be the 1-5% max with an exponential distrbution because that's literally the wealth ratio you had to have to own slaves.Most people just did their own chores, grew their own crops, slaves still had to be paid and fed and saying 25% of people owned slaves is like saying 25% of people own a yacht or something.
>>738972525>is like saying 25% of people own a yacht or something.a yacht being retarded black people in this case, something far more difficult to manage than a boat
>>738972207Yes you only needed like four slaves to be a planter and most plantation houses would've been little more than a shack. Owning 20 would've made you a real elite and the real aristocrats that owned 100+ were only found in a few regions like the Delta. I defend the Confederacy and I find it obnoxious when people say it "wasn't about slavery" which only confuses the matter more. No the war didn't break out because a small handful of men wanted to keep their slaves, but the institution was obviously essential to the interests of the South.
>>738972514Was Thaddeus Stevens a Jew? and Charles Sumner too? Maybe Benjamin Butler as well? Oh no silly me, I almost forget that there is no such thing as history. No white country has ever had any history, it's actually all just Jews. Jews were the ones who sailed to Africa and peopled America after all. Everything is always Jews, all the time.
>>738972690doesn't matter, maybe they were crypto jews probably they were freemasons(jewish butt slaves)
>>738972575When you have to feed, house, and literally pay them on top of that then yes it is prohibitively expensive. It's not a fucking cow you can just feed grass you have to kill cows to feed niggers. Owning slaves was for cotton and tobacco plantations, which were the same kikes that could actually lobby on their behalf for the government to write about muh slaves in a document you can ctrl f through
>>738972690https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-finds-christopher-columbus-was-a-sephardic-jew-from-western-europe/
