What's your excuse now, /v/?
I don't care. I enjoyed the anime for a while because it had a cool opening and had an interesting premise and the voice actors were cool. However, I lost all interest when I learned the anime cut 80% of the content, and to get the full story, I would need to slog through a badly written, badly translated VN for several hunderds of hours to get the actual story. Fuck that.
>A game that has been officially available for years is finally available.What?
>>739116842>RyukishiForgotten hack>UminekoDecent first part, shame it went full trannycore in the second part
>>739116994The vn is kino, but if you have dogshit attention span like most zoomers, you can always just read the manga.
>>739116842Witches are not real
>>739117692>tranny tranny trannyObsessed retarded. Umineko is chudcore.
it's been out for a decade...
>>739118018Explain this then.
>>739117952I have above average attention span actually, it's just it's not worth the time investment it asks for. If I'm going to sit down reading for that long, I'll read a proper good book instead of this.
Rather read a good visual novel like Danganronpa
>>739116842People say that he was a hack who only made some good early VN because of his editor who then died. Based on Silent Hill f and Higueashi Sou, i will have to agree this guy an M night Shyamalan level of hack and shit writer
>>739117692This isn't even rent free, you're paying the housing subsidies and adding on an additional discretionary stipend.
>>739116842my excuse is END FASCISM!
>>739118276LOL
>>739118210How do you know if it's worth or not, if you never read it? Just read the manga, zoomie. You can finish it in a week.
>>739118276>DanganronpaOnly good for the girls.
>>739118204All I see is an obese fat man crossdressing as his dead mother.
>>739116842I don't want to read it? I already have Shikata's contribution to the VN/Anime soundtrack why would I need anything else?
>>739118675You can't see her because you have no love.
>>739118467I read the first episode of the VN. This is the perfect amount to see whether what I'm dealing with is worth my time. If I had actually read the whole thing, you would say lol then why did I read hunderds of hours of stuff I didn't enjoy.
>>739116842Who gives a shit about this faggot? His Silent Hill game fucking sucked nigger dick.
>>739118307>>739118882Silent hill f was better than any silent hill outside of the main 4, there is no discussion here, arguably better than 4 too.
>>739118869THEN READ THE MANGA NIGGER
>>739118204
Umineko is so overrated.
>>739119408this is true when I remember it expects you to solve a mystery based on evidence from hour 3 at hour 100but also incredibly untrue when I remember the cool mysteries and whodunnits that are self contained and the piss and shit flinging between the characters that gets awesome thematic and spectacle pay offs
>>739119580You can solve the main mystery by chapter 4 easily if you have been paying attention, you should also make notes yourself of anything you think it's important.
>>739116842thats cute r07 now when the fuck is ciconia ch 2 you stupid nigger
>>739118982>better than any silent hill outside of the main 4That is such an unbelievably low bar and you should be embarrassed for using it as if it means anything.
>>739119698yes yes, Erikawhatever
>>739119789It means that silent hill had a decent game after God knows how long, but you fags got filtered by it because of muh feminism.
>>739120087No it doesn't, because none of the SH games out of the main 4 are decent. They're putrid dogshit. Merely being better than them can still mean just being slightly less putrid dogshit.
>>739116842I already read it.It's not very good.
>>739120175Retard
>>739119698>implying
>>739118982SHf is not a Silent Hill game, so it can't really be compared to those titles. At least SHSM and Downpour tried to stick to the original lore as much as they could. Also, SHSM is a better game overall than SHf.
>>739116842>MAN
>>739116842I don't care about visual novels.
>>739120228Wrong, retard. Post one SH outside of the main 4 (not f obviously) that isn't putrid dogshit. You can't do it because it doesn't exist.
Beato's fat hag saggers. built to explode
>>7391168425>1>8>6>2>4>3>7
Best girl.
>>739120318Not real
>>739116842>they're going to localize this
>>739120348Wrong
>>739120318What is it with you and whipped cream
>>739120374OH YES! VERY GUTT!!
>>739120313Only homecoming and downpour were truly dogshit, the rest were just meh for their system.
>>739118210holy shit, unironically based, there's no reason that bullshit has to go for 60 hours, you could read a proper fucking book instead of glazing a child anime bullshit"what are those, boobs?"
>>739120427>cartoon character isn't realCorrect. I'm still going to fantasize over her plump milk tankers.
>>739117208Yeah what the fuck
>>739120568It goes for way over a 100 actually.
>>739116842>Animeish gore slop.How much of a looser you have to be to have waited for this for years?.
>>739117952>The vn is filmI will be sure to avoid this. Thanks.
>>739120580What does golden witch milk taste like?
>>739117952SG is an example of a vn that rewards having an attention span. All you get for sticking with Umineko is badly paced garbage and a flop of a mystery story.
>>739118204Good one good one, then, how about this one?
>>739118675>All I see is an obese fat man crossdressing as his dead mother.Repeat that in red! Say "All I see is an obese fat man".
>>739120374>is created to be an ebin great detective that is actually destined for failure>doesn't actually address the main complaint about reliability and is just set up for the most egregious asspull imaginable>reappears in the 11th hour for no good reason and is for some reason present again despite quite literally serving her purpose in the story already so whatever it's all fanservice finalemight as well be the epitome of a great character stuck in a shit story
>board has been seething about Silent Hill f nonstop while still praising Umineko even though they're written by the same fucking niggaexplain
>>739117952people who watch anime / read manga as substitutes for vns are subhumans that unironically need to be killed in minecraft.
Did anything ever come of this?
>>739120882combination of different people, non-serious funposting, and shf sucking.
>>739120919lol no
OH DESIRE
>>739120770>midwit's gate faggot talkingCongrats on finishing your first vn!
>>739120919I dont think it reached funding right? Or the campaign was never even run one of the two
>>739120919Soo... Genji was gay for Kinzo right? Otherwise, why would his alter-ego be a Homo-Demon butler.
>>739120770All you get for reading S;G is watching some retarded autists bumble their way though Final Destination but dumber.
VNfags are as defensive as FFXIV fags. Poorly paced writing is a thing on every medium, except VNs apparently.So many VNs would be better if they were shorter, even already short ones, there's so much fucking stalling in Kana Imouto, curse whoever said it was a great introduction to the medium, almost dropped VNs forever right there.
>>739120770>rewards having an attention spanreddit;gate is like 30 hours for everything lmao what are you talking about. honestly as an unmedicated adhd retard i have no idea why people constantly bring up attention span when talking about vns. it's like saying you need an attention span to bingewatch 10 seasons of some slop on jewflix.
>>739121104>some retarded autistsThat's called having flawed characters with character development, it's the reason why Okabe and Kurisu are considered some of the best main characters in the medium. Literally all you get with Umineko is bad prose, that is like 90% of the story you're reading.
>>739120716The special gold cap milk you only get from Guernsey cows>>739120536Who said anything about whipped cream?popping by itself is anti climactic; I don't like gore; and while cumming so much into a girl that she bursts is hot, you'd end up covered in your own cum. Meanwhile whipped cream is voluminous, is at least a similar color to cum, is already used for some kinds of sex play, and might have been inspired by an old urban legend that if you left a can of spray cream or shaving foam in a hot car it would burst and expand until the car eventually exploded
>>739121208>is like 30 hours for everythingAnd most people can't make it through 10 of those hours despite being less buildup than muv luv and shitineko for a better payoff.
>>739116842I'm waiting for the console port. Hopefully with physical copy :)
>>739116842>mangagamerwhats the official translation they use for Umineko?
>>739116842I bought a copy of the Switch version to use with the translation patch like 3 years ago, anybody that actually gives a shit could've done so as well by now.>>739120919This was a full-on Chris Chan-level delusional idea, getting Sonichu DLC in Animal Crossing is actually more realistic at this point.
>>739120805Heh, little did you know he had a mirror
>>739119698you literally cannot solve the epitapth unless you have a map of Taiwain
>>739119698>easilylol
>>739120913Sorry you are so attached to an inferior medium that is nothing but a creative half-measure with minuscule density of erotic content. Who cares about the quality of the written word, breadth in visual design, or illusion of life? Dump a gorillion words, make a few 3/4 perspective anime portraits, add a sex scene or three (optional post 2000 lol), and suddenly you are put in a world of niche art for only the most refined of weeaboos. Westcuck mind can't possibly comprehend...>inb4 but that one totally cool veeannYeah sure alright, but there are also fanfics with infinite word count, as well as 300 chapter shonen romcoms that go nowhere. Kinda makes you wonder whether long stuff is indeed good, or merely exploiting a captive audience who have stockholm'd themselves into enjoying the ride on hour 20 instead of dropping it on hour 2.
Umineko's pacing is dogshit and Ryukishi does a shit job at being concise with his delivery of information. Not to mention him explaining obvious shit that only a legit retard needs explanation for. "Maria hit her toe against the table! but the tears leaving her eyes are because of her mother hits her and sees her as a burden!!!! and then he repeats the same paragraph in different terms one gazillion times.
>>739121280>Battler forgot about these boobs for 7 yearsWhat was his problem?
>>739121336Faggotgate doesnt even have a payoff lmao it ends on a cliffhanger.
>>739117208>>739120617Umineko Saku comes with three fan discs that never saw a English release until now. The previous English release didn't have the Saku content.
>>739121630>Sorry you are so attached to an inferior mediumthis but to you. nigger. kys.
>>739121535The epitaph is not the main mystery, the main mystery is Beatrice's indentity.
>>739121769>Maria hit her toe against the table! but the tears leaving her eyes are because of her mother hits her and sees her as a burden!!!! >and then he repeats the same paragraph in different terms one gazillion times.I cry everytime
>>739116842Go back>>>/vt/
>>739121848>Steins Gate ends on a cliffhanger Are you retarded? Every single loose end it tied up, it's the cleanest ending possible.
>>739122138>it's the cleanest ending possible.until Reboot adds a new ending that lets them sequelbait for years to come
>>739121280InterestingI was mainly interpreting it as breasts filling up with tasty whipped cream until they explode. Now I'm in the mood for women with giant tits in big ballgowns.
Shannon acute.
WHATWERETHEYTHINNKIINNNGGGGG?????
>>739122138>Are you retarded? No? What the fuck.>Every single loose end it tied up, it's the cleanest ending possible.Ah, nevermind. I see. I hate to do a "no u", but it makes sense that to a complete retard like you, the rest of us might look retarded.
>>739122198why can't they just make something originalor at least if they're gonna do sequels give me more chaos damn it
>>739121891>no uA weak retort, should have just kept it to "kill yourself". Not that I expect a VN fan to learn anything about rhetoric, but that's a hint to anybody else scrolling by.
>>739122473>why can't they just make something originalthey tried and failed
This is the least exciting news I've seen about 07th expansion in a while. Saku is just short dumb little nothing stories. Do you care to know about Jessica's classmate? Do you enjoy Sakutaro going through hell? A battle of fujos? It's all just basic short fanservice nonsense (with a manga version btw).
>>739122512normally i'd agree, but it's the perfect low effort response in this case. you are an inferior piece of shit nigger enjoying an inferior medium. kys.
What did Battler mean by this?
>>739122473The S;G writers are complete hacks. This is true even if you think S;G is good.
>>739122523they should just make a story that they consider good and then turn 2-3 characters into waifubait that can be put into swimsuits and other stuff, so that they can make money from figurines and stuff.
>>739122636Not true, and just because not every vn they make is a financial success doesn't make it so
>>739122640The easiest way to make money seems to be just whoring all the characters out .
>>739122339what is this even from
>>739122885Nukitashi but thats an edit where an actual trans character is saying that
>>739120913VNs are inferior to using a LLM
>>739122607FYI I wasn't defending anime adaptations of VNs (haven't watched any lol). Just insulting the medium of read-only nipponese doujin games. Wanted to highlight that this is the insult to you and your love in particular, and not about any terrible awful ugly changes that were necessary to make some VN a coherent piece of fiction.
>>739121945abso fucking lutely notBeatrice's identity is the meta mystery with featherine and the entire post incident theory wankers going insane onthe mystery to the reader is the epitaph
>>739123013I have no idea what you mean by that, but anime and manga are still inferior to VNs regardless.
WHERE THE FUCK IS CICONIA
>>739122623>*smacks Maria on the head*What did he mean by this
>>739122203>I was mainly interpreting it as breasts filling up with tasty whipped cream until they explode. I mean that would happen, just that the rest of her would also do that.>Now I'm in the mood for women with giant tits in big ballgowns.Based
>>739123101The epitaph is only important to the characters, since all it does, is give the location of the gold. >>739122339Yasu is not a man, she's just a flat woman with some hormonal imbalances because of the accident.
>>739122935I guessed it was posting of the scatological variety
>>739123101It is.There are clues to both mysteries through the game, but who Beatrice is and what Battler did is the question Beatrice poses to Battler at the end of episode 4 and it's upon solving this mystery that Battler understands everything and becomes game master. Battler takes part in solving the mystery of the epitaph in episode 5, but this doesn't lead to any greater revelation for him, all he knows is that the gold Kinzo got was in fact real and on the island. The clues for Beatrice's identity are throughout all four episodes up to asking the question, while the clues for the mystery of the epitaph are much smaller in comparison. The story explicitly tells you the answer to the epitaph because it's not a major mystery, while always leaving the mystery of who Beatrice is up to the player to solve.
SEX with Natsuhi
>>739123101The main mystery is "the series of events that led to the rokkenjima incident happening", and that includes Beatrice's identity but isn't limited to it.The epitaph and its fucking sweetfish river is a meme mystery you will never solve because of quadrillion, Taiwan and kanji radical memes.
>>739122203>Now I'm in the mood for women with giant tits in big ballgowns.That's a good mood.
I only read moege. Get this all ages reddit garbage out of here.
>>739123639Yes
>>739124037We aren't talking about Steins gate bro
>>739124107>Krauss didn't try hard enoughI call skill issue
>>739116842tranny game
>>739124153
>>739116842> VNBecause that.
>>739124153>implying you have time for sex when trying to create Rokkenjima Mega-Theme park
>>739124647That okay. I can satisfy Natsuhi if Krauss doesn't have time.
>>739124647Man trying to fly his family to the moon when he already had the sun lying next to him in bed
>>739124712t. Kinzo
>>739116842I don't play stuff the usual xwitter crowd loves and defend more than anything in the entire world.
>>739117692explain why lion was explicitly stated to be a woman if beatrice is a tranny. NOW
>>739124796I don't think Kinzo even knew what Natsuhi looked like, according to bitchkastel.
>>739124920IIRC didn't Erika create the Natsuhi*Kinzo subplot to torture her
>>739116842ryukishi07 is a feminist and umineko is a tranny vn
>>739124883>lion was explicitly stated to be a womansource needed
>>739120770I did not feel rewarded reading S;G at all, it bored me to death.
>>739125151the tranny is a homicidal suicidal nutjob. please work on your media literacy.
>>739125258Skill issue
Beatrice isnt trans because that would make Battler gay, and Battler isnt gay
>>739116842>it has fans and its long as fuck, it has to be worth reading!Don’t make this mistake.
>>739125240>lion>a womanHAHAHAHAHA
>>739125825When I was in college a decade ago my classmates loved Homestuck but told everyone who hadn't read it not to bother.
>>739125258Same. To this day it's still the most overhyped shit I've ever read.
Yeah bro, a vn where a dude changes his gender because they time traveled and fed his mother some vegetables is actually peak of the medium.
>>739116994>i enjoyed the anime>but i wont read the vn even though it has everything i enjoyed about the anime but 210938131980x morewhy pretend to be retarded
>>739126119thats because liking something owned by andrew hussie is a form of torture people should not be exposed too
I love Erika more than life itself.
>>739127356Your life must be very shitty then.My condolences.
I want to play video games.If I wanted to read a book, I'd do that. There are just so many great books that Umineko will never measure up to. But I want to play a video game. VNs are not video games, because video games have fucking gameplay.
>>739127492>There are just so many great books that Umineko will never measure up toThere's really not that many, actually.
>>739125317>the tranny isCute, that's all that matters.
>>739125317Nowhere does it say it's a tranny, please work on your media literacy.
>>739127356Then prove beyond doubt that you're not having an affair.
>>739127356Worst character in fiction.
>>739127492>video games have fucking gameplay.Episode 8.>b-but...Cope.
>>739128045This guy knows.
>>739127975sauce
>>739116842is this Golden or is that still abandoned? either way it's unlikely to be as good of a translation as what we already have.
>>739117952Nah, if I wanted to get trolled by a tranny witch and preached at about how dumb solving mysteries is for a whole 5 books of reading…I’d read umineko again, but I wouldn’t be happy about it.
>>739117952golden truth post
>>739118869>I read the first episode of the VN. This is the perfect amount to see whether what I'm dealing with is worth my time.not really. you aren't even aware of the core concept of the story because that starts in chapter 2. you've only read a prologue, essentially.
>>739128250
>>739124126They're both all ages kusoge.
>>739119580>this is true when I remember it expects you to solve a mystery based on evidence from hour 3 at hour 100yeah it's called having a functional brain. you know going into it that it's a 100+ hour mystery story, if you wanted to solve it yourself instead of just get spoonfed answers why did you not take notes? umineko is the single greatest story I've ever read and part of that is because I actually respected it and took it seriously enough to try to solve it, and I did solve most of it myself because it was a completely fair mystery if you noted anything important down.
>>739119580you can solve it by episode 3 and it's really obvious on rereads
>>739121535you can solve most of it pretty early, but obviously if you aren't japanese you can't do it 100%. you also don't even really need to care about solving the epitath to begin with it's just fun too.
>>739121535the epitaph's full solution is irrelevant to the actual core mysteries related to the plot of the game:>who is Beatrice>who is actually on the island and what is the status of them>what happened on the island>who did the important things>why did they do those things>how did they do those things>when did the things happen (pretty obvious but still)you have ample evidence to answer every single one of these by the end of CH4, which is why the game stops and directly tells you so through Beatrice. There is not a single reveal in CH5-8 that is not already solvable with information in C1-4, that is just basic fact.
>>739128851is chili sauce meant to be used in the making of chili the dish, or too be put on top chili the dish as a condiment. or is it a condiment that is make of chili peppers? or is it a condiment flavored like chili the dish? i should probably ask /ck/
>>739120568if you actually read umineko you'd know the boobs bit is vital to the core mystery and they chose to make it part of the story specifically because idiots like you will disregard it as "child anime bullshit" and be blindsided when for once it's actually important to the story and critical to solving 1 of the mysteries of the plot.
>>739121136nice strawman. there are many poorly paced visual novels, for example Raging Loop. Umineko has impeccable pacing though, if you actually finish reading it you will be able to see how every single part is vital to the story overall. there's not 1 scene that could be fully cut without deleting an important piece of evidence, making a mystery harder to solve, or making a character less fleshed out.
>>739123101>the mystery to the reader is the epitaphhow the actual fuck do you go through umineko and ever think this, it's like people who watch evangelion and think the biblical iconography is more important than the character drama
OOOOH DESIIIIIRE
>>739116842VN’s are gay pandering garbage for people too stupid to realize books are superior in every way. Sometimes they get made into funny fighting games though so I guess they have a minuscule bit of merit.
>>739128796No because I watched the anime, so I'm aware of the "concept of the story", even if much of it is cut.
Umineko is more of a game than mixtape
>>739130119the voice acting for umineko is so astronomically good that it's better that it's a vn instead of a book
>>739123101You are genuinely retarded. Why does the reader care about the epitaph? It doesn't have any bearing on the story you are reading. It could just say "Solve 2+2 to find my gold" and it would be the same story and all the actual mystery elements would be the same. In CH4, Beatrice very explicitly asks Battler to answer all of the actual mysteries, with the most important being "Who am I?", and not once does she ask about the Epitaph because it is not one of the mysteries for you to solve.
I DONT WANT TO READ WUAAHHH
>>739130285True, and the music too. Shame the story is shit though.
Name a hardest moment in any vn, I dare you. Other protagonists tremble in fear of Chaddler.
>>739130530nah the story is great, amazing even
>>739130541>hardestYou got hard by that?
>>739116842>Caring about a tranny vnReminder that is a man on the right in the dress with the blond hair. That is a man. He will never be a woman. Nor will you.
>>739130541
The epitaph is a red herring, it doesn't really matter that much to the mystery, but you don't learn that until later.
>>739130541that's not even the hardest moment in umineko
the best way to live umineko is reading the manga
>>739130820manga works if all you want is drama surrounding the characters without any mystery/thinking elements that are in the vn
MaleYasufags never quote a single line from the VN as evidence to support the claimThat's because they can't
>>739130820the best part about these stories is the atmosphere. the sound plays a huge role in that. same goes for higurashi. the manga can't capture the eeriness properly
I feel bad for Yasufags and their delusions. Sixteen years have passed and they still believe their waifu isn't a guy.
>>739116842Im not into trannies. And yes "she" is a transsexual because she had a transition from male to female
>>739130541That part in Rose Guns Days where Leo —
>>739131293>>739131370The best thing you could do to stop this is prove without a shadow of a doubt yasu was a man
>>739129880They are simply not intelligent. They saw the characters trying to solve the epitaph and went "hurr durr this must be what I am meant to solve" despite it never once being presented as something the player is intended to solve. CH4 is extremely specific in explaining exactly what the player is meant to treat as a mystery to solve themselves, and the epitaph doesn't come up even once because it's irrelevant. You're trying to figure out who Beatrice is, what Battler's sin is, and if you know those you can solve the who/what/when/where/why of the island.>>739130530the audio is amazing but the writing is unironically better. It's a classic case of the writing being at such a high level that it filters people not smart enough to get it. It's like showing The Sopranos to a little kid that has only watched Teletubbies, they won't get it at all.
>>739131580>It's like showing The Sopranos to a little kid that has only watched Teletubbies, they won't get it at all.Shut up dumbass. The dude who wrote Umineko also made Higurashi Gou. Wake up, stupid.Ryukishi is a talentless hack who just got lucky.
>>739131551His name he was born with was Lion Ushiromiya
>>739131159just....read the manga with the game autoplaying in the background then? you get both voices and music
>>739131770ok then you are still admitting that umineko is good
>>739131857uhhhh sure, or just play the game. whatever floats your boat
>>739131857this is probably as retarded as saying "read a book but have the movie playing in the background"
>>739131881S-shut up
>>739130782It's not even actually a red herring. The epitaph never gets presented as relevant to the reader. Some people assume too much and can't fathom the concept that information relevant to the characters is not always information relevant to the reader. Even if the reader was provided a map of taiwan and an extensive guide to reading moonrunes and alternate meanings within them, it would be a waste of time to "solve" the epitaph because it has no impact on anything else in the story. From Chapter 1 you already know exactly what the solution leads to: the location of the gold on the island. Why would the player care about solving that when they don't control a character and can't claim the gold? All that matters for the plot is that the riddle existed and lead to the gold and that X solved it.
>>739131839Man that's even weaker than the "well Lion being good at cooking comes up in the conversation"
>>739131770Very interesting that instead of pointing out a flaw in Umineko, all you can do is say "he wrote a non-mystery story that wasn't great". I guess you're admitting Umineko actually is great if that's the best you have.
>>739121830Fat George intercepted the letters he sent, PURIIISU ANDASUTAANDO.
Ace Attorney is the closest thing to a VN that I've enjoyed
>>739132062>you mention the word "magic" in front of her bitch ass
Yeah yeah whatever. Sex with Ange!
>>739116842I don't take HRT, sorry.
>>739131857the manga is severely cut down and has like 1/50th the dialogue, cutting entire scenes, retard. it would triple the time it takes to read the manga to manually find what song is supposed to be playing at each moment and manually swap them.
>>739131839Yes and Lion has no mane, therefore female. Checkmate.
>>739132181*dies of cancer*
>>739132105I still can't believe George was so fat he ate all the letters Battler sent to Sayo.
>>739131580NTA, but I still find it hilarious that "Piece Battler" and in general Battler as presented in (at least) the first two gameboards is heavily nerfed by being essentially his 12-year-old self in the body of an 18-year-old.
>>739132295She removed the cancer then married Tohya and had 3 children.
>>739132460Battler being so childish and flippant is part of the solution to the mystery, after all. It was cool to watch him have to "grow up" outside of the game board, imo.
>>739116842So there only one VN or its a saga though?
>>739132505Tohya is stuck in a wheelchair for life and his dick is more dead than Yasu's.
>>739118204Beato's golden braps...
>>739132671His crashouts were fun to watch tooDAMEDAMEDAMEDAMEDAME!
>>739132782It's technically one VN in that it's a single very long story that is all connected (over 100 hours), but it has 8 "chapters" that are varying lengths and kind of have their own self contained stories on top of furthering the overall story of Umineko. If you want to buy it on Steam they separate it into 2 "games", the Question arc (CH1-4) and Answers arc (CH5-8). If you pick it up it should only be to complete the entire experience.>>739132923Umineko wouldn't be the same without insane incompetence about small bombs or whatever too.
Forget the mystery, the murders, the rape, the child abuse. This is what umineko is really all about, being horny for your aunts.
i wanted to read umineko but god its so fucking ugly
>>739133976there's literally like 4 different art styles you can choose from bro. the OG and the main enhanced one are both extremely good at showing off emotion and character, which is by far the most important thing.
>>739133976Filtered.just use alternative sprites
>>739120778Tell me about Rosa, why does she like the banana?
>>739134170TheGoldenSmurf made the best alternative sprites, but it's only for Onikakushi.
>>739132460Huh.Is this because those stories were written by Beato so that's the personality she knew battler for (last time she met him was 6 years before 1984) and why he behaves like a babby?
>>739136139that's a reasonable assumption for it, it's either that R07 thought that far ahead on it or just that he wanted Battler to have a more clear arc of "growing up" since the whole story is basically there to force him to admit he was childish before. could be both.
>>739136139Yes.
>>739135056This makes Mion look like a whore, not a 14 yo girl.
>>739136257Somewhat related to that and some timeline of events confusion.The fact that (in theory) chapters 3 to 8 were written by the Hachijos. Is chapter 3 supposed to be written after Battler regains his memories, or when exactly? The narrative from the Battler v Beato rivarly is that she's "preparing" him for this moment where she asks him about his sin, he doesn't remember, and then she wants to die because this whole thing is pointless. Then she sets up the grand mystery of "who am I" and says some things in red like "Everyone dies because Battler came to Rokkenjima", "Because of you, everyone dies", etc.For me it makes more sense that Battler recovers his former memories when writing the finishing touches of chapter 5 (since it's the moment where in-universe Battler solves the mystery and becomes the game master). But if he didn't have his memories beforehand, how could he even know that it was "his fault" that everyone died? (Meaning that his presence was the last straw for Beato and unleashed her murderous spree because she was overwhelmed with emotions)In my mind it makes a bit more sense that chapters 1-4 are written by Beato but I want to read some opinions and someone that has a firm, autistic grasp of the timeline to clear things up.
>>739136352>implying she isn'tAlso, this is unironically the canon chest size.
>>739137130Teenagers don't have tits this big.
>>739136823If we use the manga we know that Hachijo met up with Eva sometime after the incident and discussed things with Battler as well, eventually leading to Tohya deciding he can't see Ange because he was worried that Battler's personality was going to effectively erase him. To me it seems most likely that Hachijo hits Battler, takes him in, and after they start talking a bit while Battler is recovering Hachijo gets the idea to write episodes 3 and 4 to try and jog his memory. 5 and 6 are absolutely written by Tohya. I'd think after Tohya writes his books is when they go to meet Eva and get a straight answer on what happened.
>>739137371>t. Flaterica Anvilkastel
>>739137507How does she know that "everything is Battler's fault" then? (Chapter 4)To know that you'd have to know the relationship between Shannon and Battler and unless he recovered his memories you couldn't have a fucking clue about that, the hints are super subtle if you're not awareI suppose it's one of those "don't think too hard about that" plot points.
Never played this. Is it actually tranny slop, or is it just another case of trannies selectively cherry picking shit to fit a narrative?
>>739120770>Mid;GateNice joke.
>>739138031NTA but I think that boils down to the difference between the characters as chess pieces, authors, and outside of the game characters. Technically, even within Umineko, the authorship is intentionally unverifiable and the in-universe characters debate over how authentic that information is
>that's a dude, you know?Good. I hate women. We can make better ones.
>>739138228It's never specified if the character was originally a boy or a girl, it literally doesn't matter. You are a fucking retard for coming here just to get spoiled by shitposters though.
Kinzo wouldnt rape a boy, just saying
>>739138986>implying Kinzo never forced Genji to wear the dress and then raped him
>>739138986There is a phrase in the Ushiromiya family. "I wouldn't put it past Kinzo." His eccentric personality and flippant attitude would lead to him doing the wildest things.
After the >dude aliens plot of the first when they cry I'm not gonna bother with this one.Would have made an awesome twlightzone episode though. Not something to sink that much time into
>>739138228trannies don't really give a shit about it, you can cherrypick a couple that do care but the story's final chapter released in 2010, long before trannies were mainstream. there are 0 canon transgender characters in the story, but 1 character (obvious big spoilers) was disfigured in an accident as a baby, and the birth gender is not given to the reader and I don't think it's even clear if the character knows their true gender, but they roleplay as both genders at times in a way that has nothing to do with being trans.It's one of the greatest mystery stories to ever be written, partly because it intentionally integrates a canon version of the Knox Rules (aka how to make a fair mystery) into the story itself. It is such a vast mystery with different layers that even when they spoon feed you the things they won't do and make every element perfectly fair, most people are shocked by many of the twists. It works excellently as a mystery story for someone that has never read one because it literally gives you the rules it will play by, and it works excellently as a mystery expert because the way it handles the rules and has a meta layer makes it an excellent love letter to the genre while still being a full on massive mystery plot unlike anything other mystery stories have ever done.
>>739139102The guy was a lifelong drunk. Episode 7 states that he took to wine shortly after becoming the family puppet, and he evidently never stopped. His antics are a result of that. He was probably plastered when he raped Beato II. >>739131996The epitaph isn't even solvable until Ep 4. You could reach "Quilian," but the words etched above the door of the chapel are only written out ONCE in the entire fucking script (I have it here). Ange sees it one time in an old photograph in 4, and they're never said again.
>>739139124You're missing out. Higurashi is a suspense horror story, Umineko is an actual mystery. Part of why he wrote Umineko is that people gave him some shit for not following the rules of a mystery in Higurashi, to the point where he literally added a proxy of the author of the Knox Rules into his story to give you the rules and stop the story from derailing by enforcing the fact that the rules of a mystery MUST be followed in Umineko. Like, if a character starts to suspect that maybe someone they don't know is doing the murders, she will straight up deny it as possible and confirm the culprit is someone that has been there from the start, because the rules say that is true for a fair mystery. There are no asspulls or random bullshit in Umineko in the way Higurashi has them, because the concept of the story revolves around it being the fairest mystery possible.
Don't care, sex with the granny.
I read like, the first 3 chapters before getting distracted, back when it was new.I need to try it again, with whichever sprite pack has the biggest tits.
>>739139751The worst one lol
>>739117952If you had an attention span you wouldn't be reading picture books
>>739123137VNs are literally anime and manga what the fuck are you talking about?
>>739139751
>>739139519>The epitaph isn't even solvable until Ep 4.This is untrue because some japs had it solved by episode 3 back when it released and there's a pretty big hint about the chapel having quadrillion written on it in ep 2.Maybe more later on, but since you are supposed to reread this stuff, if you're looking for a big number this would definitely raise an eyebrow.
>>739116842Are VNs the most pathetic genre?
>>739121853neat
>>7391400701/10, I replied.
>>739140049>You couldn't count close to that, even with the fingers on both hands!Wow, Joji is so smart. How does he do it?
>>739139751original or the ps3 sprites, please dont use the pachinko ones
>>739140251Francis Bacon style education does wonders to a child
>>739140251Which day of the week did he study math again?
My favorite Visual Novel? SMT4A of course.
>>739140049>there's a pretty big hint about the chapel having quadrillion Yeah, for a mystery story you're meant to think, and "m, b, t, q" in the context of probability is very clearly "million, billion, trillion, quadrillion". People are too willing to demand spoonfeeding, when Umineko is a game that intentionally avoid that. Hell, they NEVER actually specify who Beatrice truly is in the text of the game. The answer is obvious if you read it, you get to see their POV and everything, but there is no line of text telling you who Beatrice is directly.>Maybe more later on, but since you are supposed to reread this stuffThis is a big part a lot of English fans could never understand. Umineko was released chapter by chapter, NOT all at once. It was common practice for the Japanese audience to re-read chapters and try to solve shit with the info they had. When all you had was CH1-3, you would read them and discuss with the community without fear of spoilers and then reread them and see if anything new stuck out to you. English readers that just speed-read the whole thing start to finish without checking back on older hints, taking notes, or discussing with the community, will never have the full experience. Hell, iirc the JP side had people that presented the correct theory on who Beatrice was, based on actual evidence within the story, as early as CH2. It's a shame too, we don't get to laugh at our retards as much as the JP side does when someone tries to imply everything was impossible to figure out, because they actually WERE figuring shit out long before any reveals.
>>739136823I always thought that Episode 5's gameboard was internet "fanfiction" by someone who got things wrong and the regular tea party was the internet's shitstorm reaction to it, and then the ???-tea party was the "official response" from the writers of gameboards 3 and 4. And from that, the golden truth works because of authority derived from the immense reputation stemming from those previous gameboards that felt way more authentic than any other Rokkenjima "fanfiction".
>>739140070No, fighting games, sports ball games and gachas are definitely more pathetic.
>>739116842I wanted to play this but then i learned that its like 10% plot of 90% SOL shit
>>739140803Only the beginning of each chapter has SOL shit in it, then its 90% people freaking out people are being murdered.
>>739140396PS3 it is then.The OG sprites are alright, a definite improvement over his art in Higurashi, but still pretty wonky with their hands.
>>739140803Not even higurashi has that much slice of life, umineko at some point makes you wish there was more of it.
>>739140803That's just blatantly not true at all. There's maaaybe 10% SOL in the game, but it's literally always plot related because SOL is when characters have their guards down and slip up or give away vital information. There is not a single SOL scene in all of Umineko that is not a serious part of the plot that is useful in solving the mystery. Even the few scenes early on where a character goes "ooh, booba, me love booba" end up being extremely important to the overall mystery later, in fact 1 is an extremely huge piece of evidence to crack the biggest mystery wide open right in CH1.
>>739140803>>739140957Some of the most important clues are in the calm moments where the characters are just messing around, umineko is 99% plot.
>>739140803analyzing the mental illnesses of these characters is half as fun as solving the mysteries
>>739141274The 1% being the two moments of Battler being a groomer towards Maria for no reason, though even that probably shows he has a lot of Kinzo's flaws.
>>739139617>Umineko is an actual mystery. It has a mystery as part of the plot, but it's not really a solvable mystery for almost all of its very extended runtime. If you want to be generous and consider it a true mystery-genre mystery, where the author tells a story containing clues then finishes it up to let the detective explain - giving the reader a chance to solve the mystery before giving it away - the latter portion does not come until you finish episode 6 of 8. That's like 80-100 hours into the story. With another 20-40 hours to go. It's just a bloated mess, in part because of the episodic format.So no matter how fair it is, if you're reading it for the experience of solving a mystery you're just wasting a shitload of time. You could read several actual golden age mysteries in the time it takes just to get to chapter 7. The main reason to read it is if you'd like a chuuni VN with a mystery theme. A "mystery" in the sense that it's something unrevealed that pulls you along like in a normal story, not a solvable puzzle.
>>739141479>but it's not really a solvable mystery for almost all of its very extended runtimeyou can solve everyone without ever getting to the answers arc, you genuinely have to be retarded to not think this. the game beats you in the head so many times with obvious clues and hints
Beatrice, no! That's your husband's sister and also your niece!
>>739141479>but it's not really a solvable mystery for almost all of its very extended runtime.It is if you have a functional brain.>giving the reader a chance to solve the mystery before giving it away - the latter portion does not come until you finish episode 6 of 8.It is split into 4 Questions arcs and 4 Answers arcs. You can solve 100% of the mystery with information given solely through the Questions arcs, and then the Answers arcs are there to verify if you were right or not (or spoonfeed you the answers). Beatrice LITERALLY tells you directly that the whole thing is fully solvable near the end of episode 4. Episode 6 is just when 1 major mystery has a summation. >With another 20-40 hours to go.Umineko has more than 1 mystery. Each chapter has it's own chessboard which is on it's own a mystery with distinct killers and solutions. >You could read several actual golden age mysteries in the time it takes just to get to chapter 7. As someone that has read more golden age mysteries than I can count, I would reread Umineko before reading an equivalent amount of random slop from the "golden age" in a heartbeat. Most of them are shit, plenty don't even follow the rules. Umineko is well written enough that even on a 3rd reread I know I would find a hundred light bulb moments of "oh shit, this makes so much sense now and explains this other part" that sum up exactly what I want in a mystery.
>>739122581Saku has Last note of the Golden Witch too which is basically Episode 9 (well, it's much shorter than usual).And some of the other side-stories are actually rather serious, it's just they lack impact when you aren't reading them in release order.
>>739141641Sayo hates Ange. That kid's conception is the entire reason Battler left the family and abandoned her. Then Sayo's actions are the reason Ange's family never comes back. They have a great natural rivalry.
It's a terrible visual novel that's 95% filler. I gave it 20 hours and never wish to read another word of it.
>>739122640That's basically anonymous;code though. There are no girl specific routes, just the main girl and then some random attractive female secondary characters.Somehow this just resulted in the blandest cast from any of their works though. Since the cast doesn't get character routes, they didn't bother going very much into any of their characters' outside of the main girl, who is kind of a misfire since she's just a suffering girl.
>>739141973You just outed yourself honestly, you think it's 95% filler because 95% of it went over your head. There is not a single filler scene in the entire first 20 hours of the game, that's an ironclad fact. You're reading evidence that proves the identity of a murderer and going "durrr this is filler".
>>739141540>>739141795The main reason everyone claims it's answerable by then is because the localization labels them as "question" and "answer" arcs, and since they haven't even read the story they make an assumption based on the English title. You can make a correct guess based on hints but you can't "verify" anything until later, like you said, because the relevant facts are simply not nailed down until the author finally nails them down.Besides, even if it takes "only" 4 episodes, that's still 70 fucking hours man. Every point still stands. And if the first 4 episodes make it so obvious, why read the next 70 hours after that? Wouldn't they just be rehashing "obvious" clues?
Who can stop him?
>>739142286because despite them being the "questions" and "answers" umineko is still a linear story with actual characters and progression of said characters, also you don't know if you are correct until the story reveals it by the end. why kind of stupid fucking logic tree are you even going through. half of the satisfaction of reading a mystery novel is finding out you were fucking right or wrong
>>739141973It's not 95% filler. Pseuds will tell you it's 0% filler but the truth is it's about 70% filler. In a 100+ hour game that's still too much filler.I think the average slice of life comedy VN has less filler than Umineko. Simply because those titles had some kind of editor. Whereas Umineko is a three-act story stretched out to eight acts and a spinoff manga.
>>739116842>mangagamer trannies shilling yet again this garbage since they got the rights, this time openlyWould you dickless clowns kindly 100% yourselves already?
>>739142474Umineko's script could be cleanly cleaved in half. Episodes 4-6 are a massive waste of time. I have a soft spot for 7, so I'll defend it.
>>739142621>episode 4 is a waste of timelmfao???????????????
>>739142286>The main reason everyone claims it's answerable by then is becauseNo, you are blatantly wrong. The reason everyone claims it is because it is reality. In Japan they literally did solve everything before CH5 even came out, and they backed it all by exact proof within the text of the game. That would not have been possible if your desperate copes here had even a shred of truth in them. There is not a single core mystery presented to the reader as something for them to solve that you cannot solve with information given by the end of CH4.>and since they haven't even read the storyI doubt you've read the story given you're so blatantly wrong about things the story itself is extremely clear about. The game literally tells you that you have all information to solve everything at the end of CH4. It's not up for debate, the players did solve it and the game tells you directly it intends you to be able to solve it. YOU are the odd one out as a failure at solving it.> Every point still stands. No, you're just showing that you lack an attention span. Your argument is literally that watching a 1.5 hour movie is worthless because you could watch 6 15 second Youtube Shorts that recap it instead. Long does not mean bad, in fact it means more entertainment for those of us with attentionspans. >And if the first 4 episodes make it so obvious, why read the next 70 hours after that? Entertainment value, because the reveals are done in entertaining ways and there are still fantastic characters and scenes to entertain you within the well written stories. If you stop reading at CH4 you never get the legendary Duct Tape scene, hell you never meet Erika. You never get 4 full chapters worth of chess boards, which while not main mysteries are still murders with solutions you can figure out and still fresh mystery content. >Wouldn't they just be rehashing "obvious" clues?OK so you're just admitting you haven't read it and have no clue what's actually in the game.
>>739142654Why are you so worked up about whether it's solvable by chapter 5 or chapter 7? It's still 70+ hours into the game, and the detective takes another 70 hours to let you know if you were right, everything I said still stands. Good if you want a long story with a sense of mystery. Waste of time for anyone who wants to solve a mystery.Honestly if it really were solved by everyone and their mother halfway through, that would make it an even worse attempt at a mystery. You're not really doing it any favors here.
>>739142286>You can make a correct guess based on hints but you can't "verify" anything until later, like you said, because the relevant facts are simply not nailed down until the author finally nails them down.It's funny how wrong you are here.So, first of all, your argument relies heavily on the semantics of a 4chan post. Quoting the word "verify" does not change anything. You can fully be confident in the solutions purely from Chapters 1, 2, 3, and 4, because only 1 answer will fit every piece of evidence. If I say "I think Battler killed them all with small bombs in the food", you can point to specific evidence proving that cannot be true. There were no red herrings fitting all the evidence by the end of CH4, and while you whine about how long the story is, the reason this is true is specifically because the story is so long. By the end of CH4 you have like 70 murders to work with, if something is wrong there will be a red flag somewhere proving it. Past that your entire logic seems to be insane reaches based on you not knowing what you're talking about and making wild assumptions. Literally nobody cares what the label of the game is. JP players solved most of the mysteries without doubt by CH3, and CH4 was the point where you really couldn't deny the correct theories anymore and any leftover red herrings got BTFO'd. The Questions arc ending doesn't matter, the fact that it all is solvable is self evident because people DID solve it all by then.
>>739142646Yes, 75% of it is a complete distraction, and not even a good one. It only serves to 1. Show Ange in 1998 with Amakusa and the Stakes. 2. Introduce Gaap. 3. Show that there is no scenario where the family can resist and survive. They will always die. 4. Provide a (pretty shitty) final battle between Battler and Beato. With awesome music.5. Show Ange's take on magic vs. Beato's when Ange brings Sakutarou back to life.That's the whole episode, and it's the longest one for no fucking reason, wasting time trapping the adult underground and sending the bunnies all over the place. It's just a mess.
>>739142474>>739142621Hackishi really needed to stretch that garbo with nothingburgers just to reach the magic 8 chapters number>wow it was fucking nothing>wow it was fucking nothing again>wow it was fucking nothing again, and now there are three trannies>wow it was fucking nothing, and he took a fat dump as a cherry on topMan what a waste of time that was
>>739142971>There were no red herrings fitting all the evidence by the end of CH4Rosatrice is still valid even after the end of ch8
Enji...
>>739142474>but the truth is it's about 70% fillerpoint out a single instance of filler deeper than a paragraph then>b-but maria got a backstory chapt-not filler, those scenes are vital to understanding her character, rosa's character, and the context of the overall family dynamic, while giving the logic and backstory of the Chiester Sisters Imperial Guard Corps and a strong amount of evidence towards the "truth" of the magic due to this. faggots love to pull numbers out of hats and insist there is so much filler, but in over a decade of these threads, not once has anyone ever been able to point to true filler that does not advance the mystery, or the characters, or the world, or typically all 3 at once.
>>739142971>JP players solved most of the mysteries without doubt by CH3kek, I like how it gets earlier and earlier every timeYeah man actually I was there at Comiket in 2007, I played the first episode demo and everyone I know solved it back then. That's what makes it a good story actually, the mystery is so obvious and easy and you solve it 80 hours before the story ends. It's for smart people like us.
>>739142962>Why are you so worked upconcession accepted that the facts do not line up with your delusions and so now you're relying on blatant ad hominems while abandoning fact.
>>739143128that chapter also completely shows ange's ideology in comparison to marisa's, it's insanely important characterization.
>>739143120Fatty
The TRUE ending to Umineko
>>739143089I can prove it wrong with a single screenshot from the game. Read the 10th rule.
>>739143183>kek, I like how it gets earlier and earlier every timeThis has been common knowledge forever. Many core aspects like the identity of Beatrice were theorized back when it was only 1 and 2, and 3 coming out helped nail them down when people read it and got further proof. It's not my fault if you cannot comprehend words like "most".
>>739143230I dunno, like I said, my original point still stands. I don't really care if you solved it in 70 hours or 100 hours
>>739121104>>739125258>>739125639Steins;gate is just boomlennial nostalgiabait, no one likes it for the story.>"Dude remember cell phones that flipped? Ugh, I hate smartphones">"Dude do you remember microwaves? Ugh, I hate air fryers">"Dude do you remember creepy maid cafes in Akihabara? Ugh, I hate vtubers">Dude do you remember when you could be a fat shut in piece of shit into questionably aged anime girls? Ugh, I hate Chris Hansen"No one likes it for the actual story.
>>739143438How does that prove anything? Umineko breaks Knox flagrantly.
>>739137507>>739136823If you go by the manga, Episode 3 was written by Tohya after he already had recovered his memories, it's just he was rejecting the truth.
>>739143438>without a clueThere are several clues. It's not my fault you missed them. It just shows you don't have a brain. The Japanese figured it out years ago. It's all laid out by episode 2 actually. It just went over your head.
>>739143524Your original point got completely obliterated when it was proven wrong with exact facts and you had to admit you only have fallacies now.
i think a lot of "peoples" (retards) problems is that they go into this story only wanting to care about the mystery and not about any of the characters. complaining about the SOL sections in umineko is genuinely so unthinkable too me. some of my favorite scenes are from the SOL sections
>>739143560Incorrect. >>739143590It's funny when someone gets so childish that they do shit like this. When you write "2+2=5" on your math sheet and the teacher tells you it's actually 4, do you just spam "NO ITS 4" when mommy tells you to do your chores later that night?
>>739143587Tohya just got mixed up because the only body Battler didn't find was Eva's. He found Kyrie's after Eva put her down, so he genuinely thought that Eva killed everyone. After publishing 3, Eva visited them and told him the truth. That's when Hachijo came to possess Eva's diary. These are manga retcons, but the plot of 8 doesn't make a whole lot of sense without them.
>>739143656I can agree there. We have actual invalids trying to argue that you could cut the story in half and it would be fine, as if you wouldn't be losing a lot of the best the story has to offer. The closest Umineko gets to "filler" is when they add style and flair to a scene, like having Erika do a schizo meltdown over Duct Tape instead of just have her say "I can prove you wrong due to this tape" and moving onto the next scene. The insane character-driven scenes are absolute kino and nobody would give a shit about umineko if it was just a boring textbook mystery with no characters worth caring about.
>>739116842https://youtu.be/T4Kku9CD_FY
>>739120882>a person only ever outputs the exact same quality of product their entire life. someone who made a good product once can never make a bad one and vice versa.explain
>>739143917https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVGYwmSlu8I
>>739143872Episode 6 is just such an amazing, useful part of the story. I had no idea that Sayo suffered from problems with her gender identity and sexual orientation until Zepar and Furfur spent 10 hours hammering it in. It's not like I read Episode 2, where that's the entire fucking point.
>>739143607I think you just want to argue fallacies like an umineko character and didn't even comprehend what I wrote lolthe original point is>if you're reading it for the experience of solving a mystery you're just wasting a shitload of timeand therefore>the main reason to read it is if you'd like a chuuni VN with a mystery theme.The reason I say this is because,>the latter portion does not come until you finish episode 6 of 8. That's like 80-100 hours into the story. With another 20-40 hours to go. It's just a bloated mess, in part because of the episodic format.If we're generous and assume every single thing you've said is correct, that merely changes to>the latter portion does not come until you finish episode 4 of 8. That's like 60-80 hours into the story. With another 60-80 hours to go. It's just a bloated mess, in part because of the episodic format.so yeah, still a bloated mess, still badly paced, still needed an editor etc etc, hence I do not recommend it to people interested in solving a mystery, but rather in those who want to read a long chuuni VN with mystery themes
>>739144086Sure, if you just ignore the entirety of the Chick Beato plotline, and Featherine and Tohya both being introduced, then you could be mad at the lovers plotline. But the lovers plotline is still vital for actually revealing and not just hinting at many major elements of the story.
>>739144368Oh, so NOW explicit answers are a good thing. I see. That goalpost seems to do backflips and cartwheels around the field when Umineko is concerned.
>>739144117If you want to argue I suggest you go back to the post that already explained why you were wrong, and reply to that with your newest copes instead of ad hominems this time. I'm not letting you do the weasel technique of spamming ad hominems when facts come up and then pretending it didn't happen and insisting you're totally serious after you get laughed at. If you want to continue the discussion, it happens at the part you abandoned it at after you find a way to reply to what you previously failed to reply to.
Why didn't Tohya breed ryukishi's self insert?
>>739144491it's genuinely so crazy the mental gymnastics you had to do to even get to this conclusion about anons post, you should be in the olympics
>>739144524he was gonna, but then fujos would get mad.
>>739144491It sounds like you straight up don't understand the thread. Nobody but actual retards have claimed explicit answers are a bad thing, they are a literal requirement for a true mystery. If you can understand what you have read but not know the solution after it all ends, it was not a mystery story.
>>739143747NTA but that SUCKS. If only because it goes against the nature of the reader never knowing what exactly happened on the accident (which is the whole point of the last story beat)I understad it's a narrative concession needed to make the manga story work but that's not needed to fully experience what the novel wants to convey, which is deliberately leaving those elements (like what happened at rokkenjima) deliberately unclear because it won't do anything for Ange's happiness.Like, you don't even know how Battler REALLY escapes the island. I'd argue the whole scene with Beato on the boat is part of Hachijo's novel.As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing will remain unknown until the end of time.
My excuse is that Silent Hill F(eminism) fucking sucked chunks and so I'm never reading another thing written by this washed up gook as long as I live. I don't give a fuck that this came out first, it was that bad.
>>739144569The ushiromiya bloodline is now on the shoulders of whatever bastards Kinzo left out there.
>>739144639you're probably underaged anyway if you didn't read umineko by now and your first r07 work was the silent hill game he phoned in for an easy paycheck.
>>739144602Is this your first day on 4chan? Your very first Umineko thread? I imagine it is, but I'm just curious. >>739144524Tohya is in a wheelchair. His cock probably doesn't even work. Especially for a woman. >>739144612Look, a guy who refuses concrete answers!
>>739144602>Nobody but actual retards have claimed explicit answers are a bad thingehhh nta but not necessarily, ryushiki (before the manga) clearly wanted there to be a sense of intrigue even after the ending and tries his best to not explicitly out right confirm everything. it's why the ending of umineko is so controversial. it's like if david lynch got his wish of never wanting to reveal the murderer in twin peaks
>>739144762>Is this your first day on 4chan? Your very first Umineko thread? I imagine it is, but I'm just curious.If the best argument you have is completely ignoring the anons in this thread to attack strawmen that aren't in the room with us because you were triggered by long dead threads in the past, it must be really sad to be you. I guess I just have to accept your concession that you can't argue against what was said other than with a cope about someone telling you something different in the past.
>>739144723>y-you're probably underagedOr maybe I've spent my life playing good games instead of vapid fakedeep "books", you fucking tourist. Don't you have an age of consent argument you're late for?
Umineko's biggest sin is making midwits think they're smart
>>739144762Is this really true? Does your cock stop working if you can't move your legs? Isn't it ok as long as there's blood flowing?
>>739144767There IS a sense of intrigue for Umineko, it's why it gets discussed to this day. Just look at the anons using spoiler tags to discuss the authorship of chapters and how they might fit into the timeline earlier. It's possible to have parts where you can theorize while still actually having explicit and satisfying answers to the base mystery of the plot, and Umineko is one of the few stories that achieved this.
>>739144849Extreme irony for someone that doesn't know Umineko to claim anyone else is a tourist. It's been a staple of /a/ and /v/ and /jp/ for nearly 2 decades, and it has cultural relevance site-wide.
>>739144869>Umineko fan takes a school test>Teacher says "why didn't you finish the last ten questions, anon?">"Heh...you see, I simply wanted to keep you guessing...who says you're entitled to answers?">pushes up glasses>"And yes, I have read the King in Yellow"
>>739144918i agree with you whole heartily on that
>>739116842Ciconia phase 2 literally never.
>>739145006you are not entitled to answers
>>739144886Doing some research (for once), it's complicated. Tohya doesn't actually have a spinal injury that we know of, and his illness is completely fictional. Guys with genuine spinal injuries can sometimes still get it up with a little pump action from the woman's hands, as just being aroused mentally doesn't transmit properly down their damaged spinal cord to the penis. What Tohya is living with? Who knows. Again, it's a fantasy ailment.
>>739145054It's ok, very soon every major conflict going on around the globe will suddenly stop, and then ryukishi will finally be able to continue writing free of guilt.
>>739145085it is so freeing to know that you will never breed and teach your children retarded shit like this
>>739144518I don't even think you know what ad hominem means. It's a personal attack. It's not a generic term that means "anything that's wrong"I don't know how to explain my opinion in a simpler way than I already did, so yeah. Just re-read what I said I guess, maybe calm down first and it'll make more sense. I think you're so interested in arguing about when exactly the mystery is solvable in x chapter or two chapters later, you missed the forest for the trees. As I said two or three times now it doesn't really change anything about who i'd recommend it to
>>739145264david lynch continues to be proven more and more correct by retards that only care about being correct/having answeers than the story they are watching/reading
>>739144835Battler spends the ENTIRE episode 8 telling Ange that she doesn't need to know the truth and instead should reflect on remembering the good parts of her family while looking forward. Not chasing the ghosts of the past that won't change anything but living another day remembering the love her faimly felt for her. That's the power of magic.After an (unnecesary long) tantrum, she reads the truth and immediately regrets it because she realizes that confirming her worst fears (her family being dead -the ONLY thing that gets confirmed according to Eva that is-) didn't do her any good, just as his brother predicted, and changes her mind.If they explicitly spell out who did what and why they did whatever after trying to hammer that point, it'd retroactively make the entire chapter 8 pointless and "the moral of the story" contradict the narrative. Especially when that's basically the only mystery in the entire game that is left unclear. It's too deliberate to be a coincidence and not part of the writer's intention.
>>739145292>It's a personal attack.Yes, like saying "Why are you so worked up" as a replacement for an argument, as that statement avoids discussing the topic to instead imply there is something wrong with the other poster to avoid the facts they have presented. Which is exactly what you have done.>maybe calm down firstWhoa, another ad hominem, cute. Still not a replacement for actually having an on topic argument, I'm still waiting for you to reply to my last post that proved you wrong after all. I can understand why you refuse to though, when you dig as deep into something as blatantly wrong as you have done, it's impossible to keep going without looking like an even bigger fool once you realize how wrong you were.
>>739145339This might take you off guard, as you're not very smart, but a lot of people out there are able to care about the story and characters they're experiencing, and also want an answer.
>>739144869Umineko's writing style is great at making you feel smart when the actual content of the text is a bunch of ridiculous bullshit.You'll end up reading it as some epic mindgame going on in multiple dimensions with layered mysteries and the actual content is like>my plushie toy is a real friend!>no it's not real that's made up!>well what if it was real but reality was made up???>NO YOU CAN'T DO THIS
Why don't you pathetic faggots go to /jp/ anymore? The general is a cemetery.
>>739145339The difference is that David Lynch can actually pull it off. Stephen King also had a great essay on "The Monster Behind The Door" and why something is infinitely scarier if you're not sure of just how scary it is. The ending of the movie "Martyrs" was a great use of that concept and that was even written by a French woman. Your issue is that mentally inferior slant-eyes have zero ability to write nuance or esoteric thoughts, since their entire life is scheduled rigidity, so it comes across as half finished because it truly is. Stay mad, white people are just better writers.
>>739145408You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between the reader being able to know the truth of the events presented to them, and the reader+characters knowing the meta truth beyond those events. Umineko is not the story of the exact truth of the island in full detail, it is the story of 8 Chess Boards that all could potentially be the exact truth of the island, and using those Chess Boards and the context around them to find out the truth behind the events on a larger scale. We don't need to know if Chess Board 2 is the true reality or not to have all of the answers for Chess Board 2 as far as who murdered who and how and when they did it. We don't need to know which Chess Board is correct to know who Beatrice is, what she did, and why she did it, and that is one of the major mysteries of Umineko.
>>739145517none of the people in the /jp/ thread are as funny to laugh at as the idiots that think Umineko has a lot of filler (they gave up on reading it and don't know what is filler or not because they don't know the solutions btw)
>>739145728i've never seen someone "laughing" so hard
>>739116842ryukishi is a hackumineko is absolute trash
>>739145647I don't really understand the point you're trying to make or where I seem to be wrong, especially when>Umineko is not the story of the exact truth of the island in full detailMakes it look like you agree with what I'm saying
>>739145478you clearly do NOT car about the characters and story when the entire narrative of umineko goes against outright giving explicit answers to literally everything
>>739145827I can help you with that one. You see, laughing is something you can do in real life, and it does not automatically translate to text posted onto a website. Sometimes to laugh hard in real life, you post what you have to post to get dumb people to keep posting dumb things.
>>739145879Yeah, you don't understand all right. Makes sense it went over your head. Without love it cannot be seen, anon.
>>739145452alright lemme just sum this up in case you're not trolling at this point>i wouldn't recommend umineko because it takes 6 17-hour episodes before you can solve and that's too long>your opinion is wrong because you can solve in 4 17-hour episodes>well even if it takes 4 episodes to solve, everything I said is the same>yeah but it takes 4 episodes to solve>ok that's what I just said>you're not replying to me>you're not replying to me>ad hominem>you are hereI guess that's it then, this is our golden truth. In the end we truly were when the sea cats cry.
>>739145972>"What do you mean">"Yeah... you don't understand"Ok
>>739146025Yeah, we already established that you gave up on replying to the conversation and want to keep replying so you just reiterate old shit instead of replying to the last post I made that actually countered every point you've made.
>>739145892The narrative is wrong and I care about the characters more than their own creator. How about that?
I prefer Musu myself.
>>739116842ive been larping this game for like 20 years now lmao
>*swaps you're baby*>what's the worst that could happen
>>739146787Like father's assistant, like son.
>>739146787Asumu must have gone through Hell pretending. Women know when it's not their baby. You can't just fake that shit. It's no wonder she died young.
>>739144612>>739145408My issue with this is that Ange's reaction after reading the diary in the VN is kept purposefully vague in an unnatural way just to keep the vagueness about the events. I really like how the manga shows a much more natural reaction from Ange to everything since it's not trying to hide information from the readers.
>>739145517That Keiichi/Satoko shipper also really dislikes Umineko. A lone crazy user hostile to everyone else constantly posting in a slow thread basically kills it for everyone else.
>>739120770Steins;Gate fags are the dumbest vn fans around for thinking their game is some 130 IQ masterpiece.
When are we getting this?
>>739116842no nipa, no buy
>>739148918They are probably the vn fanbase that overestimates their own intelligence the most, I'll say that.
>>739116994that's how any VN anime adaption goes, i think fate stay night is the only VN to get individual adaptions for each of its routes. outside that you're stuck with adapting just the main route, or trying to mash 5 or 6 routes into a coherent story.
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>>739148793I don't really mind that but I agree with your observation (that it's purposefully vague, she kind of turns insane, commits a mental suicide of sorts and there's that).What did bother me a bit is how quickly she changes her mind (in reading time) and the fact that you don't spend any time reading about it so it's a bit difficult to connect with that part of her emotional turmoil. It happens offscreen while you're reading about Hachijo. You spend about 15 minutes reading Hachijo's misadventures and bam, Ange regrets what she did, is immediately forgiven, warmly greeted by her famly and wants to right her wrongs.Uh... Okay! A bit anti climactic considering you spend the better part of several hours on her journey to learn the truth to immediately discard it.I would've appreciated a brief section of ange dealing with her emotions before coming back to her senses. Would've been a great segway to connect back to the moment where she brings her witch of resurrection powers after so long after.But the part of her reaction being vague to keep the mystery alive doesn't bother me that much, or wouldn't bother me with a part on her reflecting with the hardships of dealing with the truth.Good idea, good message, the execution stumbles a bit to get the point across in my opinion.
>>739145517there's nothing to talk about because Ryukishi refuses to write anything
Umineko is alright but Higurashi just way more of an enjoyable read and I don't get why people seethe so hard over Higu's ending. The moment Keiichi realizes his past sins in Tsumihoroboshi it's pretty obvious that's what the story was going to lead up to.Sotsu was dogshit through, holy fuck that shit pissed me off so much since I really liked Saikoroshi and was waiting to see how R07 would carry on from it. Actual fucking character assassination.
>>739116842I started episode 1 recently.>fuck I hate my dad>AIEEEEE I'M FALLING>AIEEEEE IT'S SHAKING>hey jessica nice TITS haha>hey maria nice TITS hahaDoes it really take until episode 3 to actually get to "it's magic/it's not magic"?
>>739149729are you still on the first chapter? it's a theme all throughout episode 1. keep reading
>>739149729Nigger get out of this thread before you get spoiled.Just read the whole episode 1 and you'll see.
>>739149729The meme battles start as soon as Episode 2, but 3 is famous for being the best of it.
>>739143554so weird seeing a zoomers take on this being nostalgiabait, then again, i played steins;gate the year it came out.
>>739143554Steins;Gate came out while all of those things were still new you absolute brainlet. When it was released 2011 was in the future.
>>739116842already read on pc, was fun
>>739149951i remember putting the game off for a few months, and then going>i gotta finish this before the game doesn't take place in the future anymore.
>>739116842I already read Umineko years ago. Was pretty fun and I liked it. I suppose this is kinda neat to see. Maybe I'll catch this, but I don't really care and probably won't read any time soon
>>739123334>Yasu is not a manlol
>>739117952>hmm an interesting premise>repeats the premise 100 times, repetition is the soul of wit after all.>then gives you 10 hours of a highschool girls diaryI admire anyone who stuck it out, but you have to have very little self respect.
>>739116842Umineko is overrated slop.
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>>739124883Lion’s gender was explicitly never made clear.
I've never read Umineko or anything like that, but I have learned a bit about it through osmosis from seeing threads like this over the years. There's something I've been curious about when seeing people discuss the mysteries, game boards, and characters. I'll post the questions in spoilers for anyone who might possibly care about if this spoils anything at this point. Which characters does Battler (or whatever the main protagonist's true identity is in the story's real world) even actually meet and know the real details of as an adult? Which characters are people he'd actually know absolutely nothing about in regard to whatever the truth is? For example, are characters in Chapters/Episodes 5-7 basically tulpas for the sake of game boards and Battler knows nothing about their real selves and much of their history, only that they were killed?
>>739154102Dude, just read the manga.
>>739154661I don't have much of an interest to read the manga just for that, and reading the manga without the VN first doesn't seem like a good way to approach the story regardless.
>>739154102The main plot happens in a closed island mansion, so Battler meets everyone there directly.There are tons of minor characters from outside of the island though, and Battler certainly can't have met most of them.
>I didn't read but PLEASE explain it to meDid you mistake the post box for ChatGPT? Fuck off.
>>739154102If you want to get philosophical, no one is who he thinks they are.
>>739154102In terms of the real world, magic is obviously not real and Battler never meets any of the magic characters. If you're asking if Battler knows the Ushiromiya family, of course he does, he's Rudolf's kid and has been to family conferences before the incident and was there on that day. There are absolutely things that he would not be privy to such as Natsuhi throwing the baby off the cliff (it took forcing a confession out of Natsuhi when she was cornered, Battler isn't going to get that in a regular conversation with her), but he still knows them as family. Generally trying to pick apart the game board versions of characters to find out what is actually real about them is pointless, either Lambdadelta or Bern said a piece can't do things it's not capable of, so what happens in the game boards is a possibility for that person, even if it gets stretched at times. Krauss is a poor investor, Rudolf is a lady's man, Natsuhi has a stick up her ass about the Ushiromiya family title, etc.
>>739154102>>739154102Battler is the real person he just assumes a different identity after he survives because he has amnesia. Can't say for sure how much he knows is real or true since he has brain damage.all the meta story shit in the witch realm is just framing. The Battler that exists outside the stories and argues with the witches isn't real. The story being different each time, for the most part the characters each have a pretty singular depictions and never change it's just who is doing what that changes.Most of the supernatural characters and events are metaphors or some shit. The second half of Umineko is very much the same as the earlier episodes with a different tone, it just has additional framing where Ange(the sole survivor of the family who wasn't at the island) is soul searching on what happened, and the meta version of Battler has already solved the mystery and decided to switch sides to defending "magic" which changes the dynamic of the meta world's framing.I think you would be better off just reading it, or at least one or two episodes to get the idea.. you seem to be lacking a fundamental understanding of the "Real" world and the "meta" worlds in Umineko and how they work. I think you are too hung up on the "gameboard" shit. It's important to the game's framing and themes and really the whole point of the story altogether, but what you really need to know is that, the Rokkenjima incident was a real event that happened and, these people were all one extended family under one patriarch of course they all knew each other. And almost all of them died. "gameboard" and such are just lingo the game is using to present the story and the philosophical ideas behind unraveling them, but it is really one singular mystery with multiple alternate retellings all leading to one truth. It's basically like reading a story about a bunch of people analyzing and debating another story.
>>739116842I don't like VNs, cool for those who do but I imagine there will be inevitable shitflinging about how the official localization is worse than the existing fan patches.
>>739116842>>>/m/agic+is+not+real
>>739155742I don't get it.
>>739116842will the remake have gameplay?
>>739143128>that's no true filler!i wonder how you people reconcile the existence of short stories and self-contained films and literally anything under 10 hours of runtimelike it seems you genuinely can't comprehend that a lot of people believe that few words do better than many, even if those fewer words do not encompass literally every bullshit aside and AHH IT'S USELESShere's a hint ya dumbo: if you don't add a fuckton of elements, you don't need a lot of words to explore them in satisfying manner>inb4 3deep5you filtered midwitwhatever helps you sleep at night
>>739156272I get your point, but extended works that do add all that doesn't necessarily mean it's all filler.Like if you are going into it only wanting a mystery story then yeah a lot of it is bullshit you don't care about, but Umineko is a mystery story where the mystery isn't the point of the story it's just a backdrop to explore the characters. I think it's fair to say you think that's stupid or contrived, but I don't think it's fair to call it all filler when the story is doing everything it can to beat you over the head with the concept that it's about the people and not the mystery.
>>739155152I'm aware that (aside from some crack theories that don't hold water), magic isn't actually real in the setting. What makes me curious about that is if the supposed magical premise is what establishes the rules, then how can real Battler truly be sure he sufficiently knows about certain characters? Has Battler met all of them regularly throughout his life, or are some like distant relatives he hasn't interacted with much or cared to interact with? What would he truly know about if they had friends, what their interactions with classmates were like, etc.? What can define just how much can be established as reliable, and later likely or unlikely, for a number of characters who ultimately spend the large majority of the story dead? I'm aware that the real Battler is trying to make sense of what happened and write some things out to cope, but it's intriguing as to how much of certain characters' words, actions, and traits in the story might be things he has to guess, if not entirely make up.>>739155464As mentioned above, I know that magic isn't real and the real Battler is trying to figure out and resolve these matters as much as to initially know as to cope. I'm just wondering if there's a character or two, perhaps relatively major ones, where real Battler never really knew much about them and almost all of their dialogue and actions can barely, if at all, be connected to what the real people might have been like. I find it curious if any characters might be more tools than reflections of the people, and whether the tools are what most readers think of first while never truly knowing the people at all.
>>739156603i'll keep the insults to a minumum, but you must be seeing something else if it's really "all about the characters" when viewed as a wholeif that was the case, umineko would be a couple of remixes of ep1, just the "gameboard" stuff exploring different aspects of different characters, and solving the mystery would simply be comparing and contrasting the events across the episodesbut between the red truth and witches and metaphysics and ange and metafiction, the story as a whole is a bloated mess that could be carved up into like 5 different stories with any real focus
It fundamentally doesn't matter whether magic is real or not. It's just a matter of whether or not it's better to believe in it.
>>739116842I have no fucking clue how to get into this story and I get conflicting answers whenever I ask.
>>739158143Literally just get questions arc on steam, read it (with kino soul deviantart sprites), then get answers arc and read it. Are you retarded
>>739158143If you want to read the full VN, why not just read the full VN? It's not a case where the fans say the original release sucked or was missing anything crucial. One later version just had better art, but mileage might vary on if that art lost soul.
Early Krauss was a great antagonist. I wish the entire VN was boring family inheritance drama where they try to outwit him.
>>739116842>mangagamerno, thank you
>>739158204Can you switch to the sovl arts on the steam version?
>>739122623Battler wanted to eat Maria
>>739116842Don't care.I played the original VN back then for free with original graphics as artist intended, and didn't understand half of it, ending sucked, music was good tho.There's nothing for me here.
>>739158545>where they try to outwit him.I still can't believe there was a point in time where I genuinely believed Krauss was smart.
>>739116994>I enjoyed the anime for a while because it had a cool openingfor me it was the OUTROhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F5428lXPQQ
Because i don't want to suffer through a 400 hour vn, because they are not video games. And theres not a single good one.
>>739116842Can someone explain why the Steam release of Higurashi is like thisI guess they recently renamed 'em with chapter numbers 'cause I don't remember those being there which just made it worseBut why isn't there just a single combined release of the whole thing
>>739116842Wait, does this not have a translation? What did I play?
>>739158754yes
>>739116842I already played the ultimate fan edition that lets me swap sprites, music, translation, etc. on the fly.
>visual novel>gamepick one
>>739158545>>739159151Krauss' intelligence gets that one moment at the start and then never again, it's a shame
>>739161843I pick both with Baldr Sky.
>>739159151He's very crafty, he's just absolute shit at business. He's make an excellent second-in-command, but not a leader.
>>739159151it's stated time and time and again that krauss is not smart with business, he is genuinely really good with people though
>>739116842not gonna read a trannylation, already read it in japanese, enjoy your slop fanfic
>>739116842This kinda pissed me off because it will probably cost more than the two versions already on Steam since it has everything when I only care for the new stuff, there should be a cheaper version with only those
>>739159312Because they released years apart?
So is it Lie-on or Lee-on?
I'm confused about this so let's settle it one and for all:>Yasu was born male>everything makes sense except why they would hide him from kinzo>Yasu was born female>makes sense that they would hide her, but her survival makes no sense(babies die way too easily to survive crushed ovaries) and her "this body can't experience love" crashout also makes no senseSo which one is it?
>>739165241u tell me
>>739116842>Still the hack doesn´t wanna to continue Ciconia and When They Cry as a whole
>>739126280I mean, it was fun back then before the Gou/Sotsu and "gonna try to escape to Konami" incident, as Hackysi07 showing everyone that it was another idiot.
>>739116842What does this include that regular uminegro doesn't?
I don't know, I didn't find it so easy to solve as the 4chan geniuses here, lots of it flew over my head desu.
>>739164847Other than Hou+, all of these were released in Japan by the time the first one on that list was released to SteamAnd now they're all out, so why is it still like this
>>739120770The trvthiest nvke to have ever trvked
>>739163257Bros…
>>739138031Ikuko is Sayo
>>739165241I think she's a woman because Battler is the straightest man alive
