You have a choice
>>740048030>steam is not a monopoly because.... i say so!steammies will defend this capitalistic pig
>>740048207steam haters will do ANYTHING except buy a game on EGS and still cry monopoly
Freedom of choiceIs what you got
>>740048207whats stopping you from buying a game on another platform
Not really, publishers have to put their games on Steam in order to be successful and most gamers get forced into steam with a library locked to it
>>740048030I would love to see what happens to a game if you advertise a 15% discount on your own website in the description and link to it. Instant ban.
pr after the price hikes
>>740048207What do you want if not capitalism? What kind o games do you think you're going to get under any other system?
>>740048030>>740048207Steam doesn't have Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, or League of Legends All of those are some of the biggest games and where the most spending is.Explain then how Steam can be a monopoly?
>>740048327>forced into steam with a library locked to itwhat do you use that lets you transfer your game to other platforms?
>>740048030>You have a choicesome of us never had a choice
>>740048030>'unwritten rule' against charging lower prices on other storefronts does not existAnyone who uses isthereanydeal or ggdeals knows this.
>>740048320Gabe heavily pushed developers to rely on Steamworks features to streamline development, including things like setting up the Workshop to be the first and foremost (or sometimes only) way to integrate mods, while also giving developers the ability to block steamcmd workshop item doenloads if no license is detected, making it so the only way to access the feature is to get it on Steam Ultimately it's down to the developer, but it'd be pure shill behavior to ignore that Gabe "Paid Mods are Cool and Were Our Idea" Newell not only gave the tools for this but also encourages it
>>740048540SAAR I'M ARYAN NORWEGIAN SAAR
>>740048030>another thread made by valve shills to defend that fat piece of shit who does nothing and collects the money from other people works>im not even talking about steam its what they do in general. they do no work at all\fuck you paid shills
>>740048459>these whopping 4 games aren't on SteamWhat an argument from TeamSteam...
>>740048929very small games
>>740048929those 4 games make BILLIONS without steam and have their own ecosystems
>>740048986Indeed. That is why they can stay out of the monopoly. They are literally the only ones able to.
>>740048789Of course, it was his storefront after all and encouraging people to rely on his systems is good for his business. It's the path of least resistance and Gabe provided a tool good enough that devs didn't feel the need to create their own tools or services themselves.But again, we can argue that several other highly successful games didn't ever rely on Steam for mods and distribution, like Blizzard and Minecraft.And yeah, I didn't forget the paid mods debacle, but they were also smart enough to walk that back and just be satisfied in mods being added value to the games they were already selling.
>>740048030This can all be true and Steam should STILL not take 30%.A 15% cut is more than generous for the bare minimum effort Valve puts into their product now. This means more money in the hands of game developers or cheaper games overall. The only person who loses out is Gaben himself who already has more money than God.
>>740049049lmao>Gabe fucked over consumers and that's a good thing!!!!! Sarr should be celebrated for being clever and good businessman!!!!Enjoy deepthroating that boot--is what I would say if you weren't also clearly a bot, since the second paragraph shows you don't even understand the point being made you fucking retard. Pure script shit.
>>740048789thats not really stopping you from buying the game on another platform, thats just an unrelated argument about modding. which if you want to complain about that you should probably include the fact other platforms like the microsoft store are a lot more locked down and don't let you modify the exe, meaning if you're going to mod a game why the fuck would you not buy it on steam? I assume you have no answer because you came here to suck cocks and spread misinformation and you're all out of cock
some many rothschilds in this thread
>>740048030My choice is piracy
>>740049213>what's stopping you from buying off steam>Gabe intentionally sabotaged buying the game somewhere other than steam>Hurrr durr that's unrelated and also another store is worse so pls pls pls pls stopJesus Christ
>>740049358your argument is that gabe put a gun to the terarria or whatever dev's head and forced him to only let steam users mod the game when the reality is other platforms just didn't give a shit about modding, in some cases wholly denying it. what exactly stopped tim sweeney from making an epic workshop or some shit? he already paid devs truckloads of cash to put their games on epic only and has a big emphasis on ue5 creation, its clearly not something out of his wheelhouse, so why has he not attempted anything of the sort himself? is it because gabe newell broke into his house and threatened him at knife point or is it simply that other platforms don't give a shit about the user's freedom like steam does? please try to give an actual answer and not more seething greentext misconstructions of other people's arguments
>>740049180There's a massive difference between having a monopoly and having a better product that people prefer using.What the fuck are they supposed to do? Make Steam shittier and more useless on purpose? There's no anti-consumer practices happening. There's no reason you can't just buy these games outside of Steam. When companies choose to only sell their games on Steam, they're quite literally making an informed decision of their own free will because Steam is just actually a good deal.You're free to sell your game on itch, Epic Games Store, GOG, you can host in on your own website, make your own launcher, or any other way. You can choose to use Steam's network infrastructure, or you can chose not to.
>>740049491valve doesnt give a shit about moding the only reason the workshop exist is to funnel skins into dota/cs/TF2 and deadlock in the near future
>>740049658>valve doesn't give a shit about the thing I just kvetched they invented a entire architecture for their platform to supportalright man
>>740049491>your argument is that gabe put a gun to a dev's head and forced himHoly fuck you can't read at all>What is stopping tim Sweeney from making a workshopHow about no fucking platform makes their own locked down workshop you fucking moronic tard. It's a terrible idea that fucks over consumers and is only good for the moneymen. If you have to use an integrated mods system, there's platform independent options out there. The problem is that Gabe is just such a pusher for his own, as he benefits for trying to foster exclusitivity>>740049596Okay yeah. Total fucking bot post. You aren't even participating in the argument of this reply chain, you're just splitting the thread into perceived sides and following a script. You shant be wasting any more of my time.
>>740049767>>valve doesn't give a shit about the thing I just kvetched they invented a entire architecture for their platform to supportMost of their income comes from the skins/lootboxes they havent done anything with the workshop since its inceptionthey are so fucking lazy they don't even bother with making a compelling compendium in dota because its too much work to make a fraction of what CS makes a month. They also dont even host the international themselves anymoreFuck those pieces of shit i hope gabe gets asscancer and goes to hell
>>740048929Fuck off, you can-kicking faggot. As though there aren't THOUSANDS of games not on Steam, without even bringing console-exclusives into the equation.
>>740049919>As though there aren't THOUSANDS of games not on SteamName five hundred.
>>740048207>Epic Games>GOG>EA app>Xbox Store>Riot Games>Mihoyo>Battle.netLiterally not a monopoly by any measure.
>>740049783>steam shouldn't have made an insanely conveniently single click method to mod games because uhhh its not fair to other platformsits staggering you have the confidence to call anyone else a retard or bot.
>>740048030Yes, it's called piracy.
>>740048540A fate worse than death.
based valvedoes no workrake in all the profits
>>740048929It's the four biggest games on the planet.
>>740049090Make your own storefront?
>>740049596>Make Steam shittier and more useless on purpose?Yes, doing otherwise would be antisemitic and transphobic.
>>740050214BASED VALVE
>>740048030I mean... no I don't have a choice if we're talking about specific games. A lot of developers only release on Steam so Gaben is taking it a bit far here.That doesn't mean it's a monopoly tho. Steam is one store front under many and the bar to entry is really low. Puhlishers consciously deciding not to publish anywhere else without having any exclusive deals with steam isn't on Steam. And you can't fault them for it, they explicitly state you are free to sell the game wherever you want.It's like complaining you can only buy a new ford car at a ford dealership.
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>>740050389BASED VALVEDOESNT EVEN DO ANY WORK FOR THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME AFTER STEAM ITSELFWANT TO PLAY A GOOD COUNTER STRIKE GAMES WITHOUT CHEATERS?GUESS WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO STEP IN AND DO VALVES JOB
>>740050390>they explicitly state you are free to sell the game wherever you want[citation needed]
>>740048207Sorry your tranny indie store sucks cock faggot kill yourself
>>740050390>A lot of developers only release on Steam so Gaben is taking it a bit far hereSteam didn't force them to only release on Steam. Also tons of Steam game are on PS5 and Switch anyway.
>>740050286Too expensive to get started
>>740050503BASED VALVE LISTENS TO THE COMMUNITYAND ADDS SKINS THEY THEMSLVES DIDNT MAKE AND GIVE BACK TO THAT COMMUNITY A TOTAL OF 12.5%-25% OF EVERY SALETHEY ADD COSMETICS THAT BREAK THEIR OWN RULES AND IF ANYONE COMPLAINS IT WAS THE COMMUNITY WHO VOTED FOR IT SO THEY DONT TAKE ANY BLAME BASE VALVE
>trusting an AI breakdown
>>740050389>>740050503>>740050621
>>740050336>antisemitic
>>740050609The Touhou guy released his games on his own website.
>>740048030This could easily be fixed if you could resell digital games... but we all know that will never happen.
>>740050621VALVE DOESNT UPDATE THEIR OWN GAMES?THATS OK ITS NOT THE FAT PEICE OF SHIT WHO ORDERS IT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BOSSES XD THE EMPLOYEES DO WHAT THEY CHOOSEAND TEH SYSTEM IS NOT TOTALLY RIGGED SO PEOPLE ONLY FOCUS ON WHAT MAKES THE MOST MONEY SO FIXING BUGS ISNT EVEN A PRIORITYBASED GABE FAT BASTARD
the fact that journalists attack valve for having a nice store instead of payment processors proves that they are evil
>>740050738Italian nose clearly.
>>740050587Yes that's what I said too.>>740050553Steam distribution agreement mentions the rules for off-site key distribution and price parity when selling in multiple stores. Including when selling steam keys instead of your own distribution. You can probably find the full document online or just take my word for it.Either way there's no clause to force you into exclusivity.
>>740050787>t/KIA>8 years ago
>let steam run unchallenged for 20 years>do nothing>i-i-it's a monopoly!!!
>>740050760Too expensive to start a store front for others anon, not to host your 1 game.
>>740050893>>let steam run unchallenged for 20 yearsA CHALLENGER APPEARS
>>740048030No I don't.
>>740050938>host a second download link on website>accept payment via PayPal
>>74005078770% OF TEAM FORTRESS PLAYERS ARE BOTShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stmQfv93oQA SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CS2 PLAYERS IN CASUAL MODS ARE BOTShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4gMWM8gfK0VALVE KNOWS THIS AND TAXED THEM RELEASING SOMETHING CALLED AN ARMORY WHICH DROPS LIMITED ITEMS WHEN YOU GRIND EXP FOr 16 DOLLARS. THEY ARE TAXING BOTS THEY COULD HAD MADE IT SO YOU NEEDED TO PLAY IN THE NORMAL MODES BUT NOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHBtv42V6nEBASED FAT PIECE OF SHIT
>>740049090>If the cut that steam takes is reduced then games will be cheaper If you compare the prices between steam and epic store that is literally not true. Epic takes less of a cut and the games are the same price. I don't care what the jew publishers made, and the devs already got paid.
>>740050984>yeah bro you can easily pay for 1 million downloads of 25gb each compressed data for Subnautica 2
>>740050990out of curiosity why did you swap to a schizo tangent about unrelated shit after you got pushed too hard about valve not actually forcing games to only be on their platformI believe the thread was talking about steam exclusivity and not whether or not they maintain their old games
>>740051004The difference is thats a choice by devs who post their games on Epic.
>>740050990Nigga that's nuts
>>740050805(((Italian)))
>>740051039Google drive?
>>740051051you are paid shills paid to defend and promote valve garbageIf you arent then you are glowniggers paid to do the shills job which amounts to the same shit in the endI really really hate valve and i really really hate people shitting up the board albeit i know most of the board are bots and shills but again i just really hate valveif these threads continue im going to make a bunch of infographics and spam them
Doesn't a monopoly require multiple traits beyond market share to be a monopoly? Iirc Valve isn't doing shit like exclusivity or throwing its weight around to get its way.
>>740048327Just like how Microsoft, EA and Ubisoft force you to launch games through their services even on steam?
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>>740051152Lol.
>>740051201>buy titanfall 2 on steam decade or so ago>forced to install origin and give my PC aids to play it
>>740051193No a monopoly means a sole provider of a good or service. It doesn't have to be a good or bad thing its just a statement of a fact. If you're the only bread maker in your country, you're running a monopoly, even though anyone else could start making and selling bread. If we're talking about PC digital storefront Steam is not a monopoly, there are other providers out there who actually exist like GoG.
>>740051176I don't really give a shit about steam or valve on a personal level its just that everything else is shit. I asked multiple times why epic or microsoft doesn't just actually match any of the convenience of the shit you say is so massive its literally giving steam a monopoly and you had this retarded AI fueled schizo melty. it took EGS three fucking years to add a shopping cart. the argument has always been that valve just has a bigger user base because they actually do shit the users want instead of dumb shit nobody cares about like tim sweeney prioritizing devs with a lower cut that doesn't carry over to the consumer at all. now take your fucking meds and go to bed
>>740050990MORE TF2 BOTS CAUGHT WITH PROOFShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnuxHZm73PUVALVE ALLOWS SKIN CASINOS OR AT BEST DOES THE BARE MINIMUM TO COMBAT THEMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eiDhuvM6Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jhjjVy5Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q58dLWjRTBESOME GAMES IN STEAM MIGHT BE ADDED EXCLUSIVELY TO DO MONEY LAUNDERINGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmBT_Avf48VALVE DOESNT CURATE GAMES SINCE GREENLGIHT (which was done by the community) GOT TAKEN DOWN THEY ADDED 20k GAMES THEY DONT EVEN CHECK IN ONE YEAR ALONE AT LEAST 8 GAMES WERE CAUGHT THE FBI EVEN HAS A SITE TO TIP THEM ABOUT GAMES WITH MALWARE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHTKTujfVSk>>740051367SO GLOWIE OR JUST SHILL
>>740051450SKINS BOTS ARE SO MASSIVE A GAME ABOUT CLICKING A BANANA GAME ENDED UP GETTING 850k CONCURRENT PLAYERShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqVLPx-4O48
>>740051450why would the glowie shill for valve and not microsoft that has literal government contracts. you're not even schizo'ing right you just noticed the thread wasn't going your way and are trying to derail it so you can pretend the whole thing was a shitpost
>>740048207Shut up commie, you are on a board that is only possible because of capitalism
>valve mindbroke this faggot so hard he has gone full /x/ religious schizo dumping massive blocks of text and random videos
>>740051450
I usually buy from GOG if it's on both platforms. Sometimes I'll even buy the download from the publisher's website. I feel like I have a choice.
>>740048030>>740048207samefag inorganic bot posting
>>740051516Glowies have run this site for years nowBack in the 2010s joot sold mod and janny position to companies for money but then around 2015-6 glowies took over (or at least thats waht i think( I dont know who runs now or what. Valve employees used to post on the general on vgControlling this site and reddit is paramount for most companies specially for valves since they are evil and jewish as shit yet people love them if the image turned around they would be fuckedI dont give a shit who you are again i just hate valve
>>740050847>price parityThis is the kicker. Why bother running your own store, if you can't set your own prices?This is what really makes Steam a monopoly.
>>740051645again I ask what valve owning media or 4chan or whatever would accomplish when the sole reason people use them is because the platform is convenient. the sole thing keeping the platform afloat is the fact its more convenient to use than its competitors. can you provide a genuine answer as to why the competitors don't just make a better functioning product
>>740051726Why are you replying seriously to a disengenuous shitposter?
>>740048030>>740048030is he on ozempic
>>740051726Dont you think a big part of valve success doesnt stem from the fact people see them as teh ehreos of vidya and every other company like a jew who only cares for money?90% of the steam users when steam took off were TF2/CS/Dota players. If everyone started to hate valve and memes elevated other company dont you think people would switch? by meme force alone?I dont even care if other stores do better or not again i hate valve people who enter these threads will see my posts
>>740051812>Dont you think a big part of valve success doesnt stem from the fact people see them as teh ehreos of vidya and every other company like a jew who only cares for money...which, again, stems from convenience in the software. Maybe if epic or origin or whatever didn't want to be seen as greedy kikes they could make a modern fucking storefront.
>>740051645
>>740051998>Maybe if epic or origin or whatever didn't want to be seen as greedy kikes they could make a modern fucking storefront.I love how epic rolled up to the PC market and the first thing it did was try to force exclusivity on PC.
>>740051812>If everyone started to hate valve and memes elevated other company dont you think people would switch? by meme force alone?No.
This thread is beautiful levels of schizo
>>740051998I already told you i dont give a particualr shit about the stores you are still ignoring everything written. Memes can change anything on the spot thats why valve pays you to shill for them, if suddenly everyone hated on gaben and valve and some other not htat dogshit store popped up people would make memes about switching and that would have been it for valveVALVE REQUIRED YOU TO DOWNLOAD STEAM AND HAVE AN INTERNET CONNETION TO RUN HALF LIFE 2 WHEN IT CAME OUT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004
>>740052193>VALVE REQUIRED YOU TO DOWNLOAD STEAM AND HAVE AN INTERNET CONNETION TO RUN HALF LIFE 2 WHEN IT CAME OUT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004I created a steam account for HL2 back then and steam had the same stipulations as it does now. At no point in time was HL2 an "always online" game. You could download it, go offline, and still play it.
Valve’s greed is becoming impossible to ignore People will continue defending them like cultists while pretending they’re above console war tribalism
>>740052060>try to force exclusivity on PCStraight from Valve's playbook, really.
>>740052193BASED GABEN WENT TO DO DAMAGEA CONTROL ON PAID MODSON REDDIT>>740052326>I created a steam account for HL2 back then and steam had the same stipulations as it does now.SO? everything steam does was considered turbo aids back in the day. requiring downloading a platform and having an internet connection caused a fuckload of backlash. Again steam took off thanks to TF/CS/Dota previous to it it was very deadIn the xbox one reveal they said basically everything valve did with steam would be part of the xbox and the brand died and the head of xbox got fired. Somehow gaben got away with it despite doing 100% the same shitLook how gabe cares so much about mods and totally not money
>>740052436sure buddy whatever you say
>>740052446>SO?So your argument was trash, that's what. Also my nigga is forgetting about rule 40.
>>740048030>Well, sure, toots. I s'pose you don't HAVE to pay me for protection.
>>740048030Notice he only said when buying games. He doesn't care about people's ability to play games purchased elsewhere with steam users.Ever wonder why people get ass hurt about needing a 3rd party account with some games on steam? Its because valve ACTIVELY hinders cross-platform multiplayer with its steamworks framework. This logo is whyStreet fighter 6 and countless other steam games have crossplay with other players. And this is a framework by Microsoft. Epic games has epic online services, fuck even sony has crossplay.But they ALL had to forgo and circumvent Steam's multiplayer system itself.Fucking wild isn't it. Valve fucking hates ANYONE not using steam. Look how the steam controller's functionality is gimped out of box on the OS 95% of its users use. The lack of any Orange Box type console release also proves it. These niggas want to be closed sourced walled garden like apple so bad
>>740052446YOU WANT A FUNCTIONAL ANTCHEAT IN CS? MORE THAN 1 HERO A YEAR ON DOTA?TOO BAD BASED GABEN SPENT ALL HTE MONEY ON NOT ONLY A SUPER YATCH BUT THE COMPANY WHO MADE IT>>740052598Whatever brub keep bumping the thread so more people can see my posts
anti-steam shills aren't sending their best today.
>>740052685Playfab https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/games/products/playfab/Is the name of Microsoft's multiplayer framework.If valve added built in cross-platform capabilities to steamworks they could stop the need for 3rd party launchers and account INSTANTLYBut they never will. Because if you can use a non steam version to play with your steam friends. You're less likely to buy the steam version. Fuck valve and fuck gamers for dick riding billionaire.
>Xhey're having this big of a melty over steamkekypoo. Sorry, Sweeny. Gabe wins again, retarded commie.
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>>740052691Its fucking hilarious BTW Pic related showed it's possible to get anti cheats on different architecture. Here's the big one.90% of the largest games that use these anti cheats are either not sold on steam or can be purchased on a different storefront on PC (blizzard launcher with CoD)Goes to show that letting a fucking storefront be the end all be all to your OS is detrimental to you. Why the fuck would valve care about Vanguard or Easy anti cheat not working on steamOS? They don't make money from those games or a 30% cut of microtransations.Fucking insulting that VAC is the most useless shit on the planet and steamies don't give two shits.
>>740052691based valve founding the battlepass systemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrhLAF9dml8of course it was OK cause 25% of the money went to the prizepool of TI BASED VALVE thoguht the playerbase
>>740052691>Whatever brub keep bumping the thread so more people can see my postsNigga if I didn't you'd just be here talking to yourself
>>740053078forgot pic
>>740053119I know brub . Im going to save everything to be able to post it instantly whenever i feel likesomeone will eventually see the posts even if its just a handful of peopledont care either way
Artifactroon, is that you? Are you STILL crying about Valve? Give it up already.
>>740053078Speaking of battlepasses. Reminder this dead game still has its battlepass for sale for full price. Hasn't been an update in YEARS. Valve has zero respect for their low IQ capacity fanbase. Why would they? They know they'll never review bomb a valve game.
>>740048030Remind me again, was it Timmy or Gaben that was paying off developers to make their games exclusive to their storefront?
>>740053194Funny how you people bring this up like it's not a fucking blight on valve and what new age bullshit they're up to. >pay to play card game >Microtransations for card packs>shut down the game and remove access for "2.0" version>lmao jk game is gone now>NO REFUNDSEven Concord fags got refunded
>>740053119>>740053159also what gibs the site is so dead? it seems 99% of all the threads and posts are shills in general. Back in the 10s the site was full of shills but it also had a fuckload of legitimate usersWhen did it die
>IT'S ACTUALLY HIM
>>740048030Yeah and I frequently choose to buy games on Steam. I also frequently buy from GOG too. The offline installers are really nice.
>>740048286spbp
>>740048721And yet, people keep bringing it up because one dev made a claim and all the gaming journalists wrote about it with 0 research.The real reason behind it was because the dev was selling STEAM KEYS on their website at a lower REGULAR price.You can sell non-steam versions at whatever price you want and you can sell steam keys at a discount for limited limited times.
>>740048789retard
>>740048789I think his heart was in the right place with the paid mods thing at least. He wanted anyone to be able to be able to earn money off of their work without a bunch of red tape. The issue is that by doing that it allowed people to steal other mods and make bad ones. Gabe realized this and cancelled it before release. Hard to be mad at him.
>>740053772>I think his heart was in the right placeThese are the pcfags that infest this board btw.
>>740053340>why did the board infested with insane schizophrenics that don't want to discuss anything and just post their scripted meltdowns over and over again just up and die???who fucking knows, really.
