https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2807960/view/668366713382767478and it's all run by AI.>We’ve created new machine learning models to better identify bad actors that are intentionally interfering with others’ gameplay beyond reasonable competitive behavior. These include actions like stream‑sniping, >To make it easier for players to identify bad actors, specifically confirmed cheaters, we are now going to additionally apply a VAC ban.
How can you prove it to begin with?
play in ea app then. you can't vac ban out of steam
>>740078520>kill a streamer>he calls you a cheater>get banned>permanent mark on your steam acckek. multiplayer fags can't stop losing
>>740078520>and it's all run by AI.read as: we absolve ourselves of any errors made in moderation
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
>>740078580they dont have to prove anything
>>740078520>create a bunch of bots that play and stream the game together>machine learning models notice the enemy team only kill streamers>all of them get VAC banned
>>740078520Wow, yet another reason to never touch this game
>>740078741This is exactly what I was thinking.When has moderation run by AI ever worked out?
>>740078520>being against stream sniping at allKikes always hate what doesn't give them more money.
Isnt this the same game that boasted insanely invasive anti-cheat and got flooded with hackers anyways?
How the fuck is stream sniping considered cheating??If I'm playing poker and someone shows their hand to me, how the fuck is that my fault??
>>740078520Assuming it's for ranked mode only, then what's the issue? You're that desperate to cheat, or grief your team? How much of a faggot are you?
>>740078520>>740078741>>740079058>play wow>inconvenience bot cartel>they spam report you>get banned>see this>decide to implement into other gamesI'm so glad I grew out of multiplayer games. People are largely colossal faggots, and interacting with them is often a net negative.
>>740079152There's nothing wrong with cheating in games. Bullying gay timid tryhards is infinitely more fun.
>>740079090Wrong analogy. It's more correct to say if you're playing poker then open up the cameras behind them to see their hand. They didn't directly show you, you went out of your way to find it.
>>740079090Some faggot who always knows where you are is a pain in the dick especially in pvp
>>740078580If the streamer says it is true then it is true. Why is their word better than yours? because they are "influencers" who can increase sales while you're just some random player who already bought the game, you don't matter anymore.
>>740079229>>740079237If you don't want me to look, turn your stream off you fucking retard.
>>740079209Brown mindset. White people don't need to cheat to win.
>>740079152Don't you have faggots spending like $6000 on DMA cheats nowadays too
>>740078580>>740078783Exactly there's some clause in the TOS in all these online games that they can ban you for any reason without warning. It always gets used in shit Blizzard games and Sega games.
>>740079283If you don't want to get banned, now YOU have to turn off his stream, retard. You lost and got raped, seethe more.
>>740079291uh oh destitute esports melty!!!its a video game get over it lmao
>>740078520>VAC banCan they do that? VAC bans are normally and supposed to be automated and ONLY for actual cheating or game tampering. Steam already has separate Game Bans for this type of thing.
>>740078520I thought VAC bans could only be applied by games using valve's anti cheat or something? I would not trust the retards developing Battlefield to implement this properly and even then, VAC for killing some streaming faggot?
>>740079332Not an argument, I accept your concession.
>>740079291Speaking of brown, wasn't there a pajeet who got caught cheating at a lan event before
>>740079347>get over it You're the one upset you can't cheat anymore. This news doesn't affect me negatively in any way.
>>740079420You're literally having a melty because your rank is super important to you lol. Sad and gay!
>>740079229They choose to play with cameras pointed at their hand, they choose to broadcast it freely to the world, it's on them.
>>740079385>turn off your stream is an argument >b..but turn off his stream isn't an argument Hypocrisy. Much like how you're desperate to win in game you tell yourself you're right then stick your fingers in your ears.
Cheater POV
good, eat shit luddites
>>740079359>>740079351>>740078807Third parties can use VAC. It's rare outside of Valve games but it is used out there for example Apex Legends.
>>740079152>kill streamer>steam account bannedhow do you not see the issue here, streamers have always been a blight on moderation with their sensitive egos
>>740078520>get banned and get a VAC on steam just because you piss of a Streamer by killing him a couple of times this World is a humiliation ritual for the average person imagine telling someone from 2000 this shit, they will start laughing and call you insane
>>740079559If I type where I am in chat and other people use that information to find me, they're cheating in your eyes.You have no counter-argument and I accept your concession.
>>740079461>WHY CAN'T I STREAM SNIPE AND NOT GET BANNED I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CHEAT IN GAMES TO WIN >Gitgud>YOU'RE HAVING A MELTY YOU'RE SO MAD THAT I CAN'T CHEAT ANYMOREWhy are browns like this?
>>740079090Because you're using a third party program to give you an advantage you otherwise wouldn't have. It is the same with using discord is cheating since it isn't something that isn't provided ingame... faggot.
>>740078741>directly impede the marketing department of a product>money stolen
>>740079090A lot of poker tournaments are streamed online retard bro and if you tried to watch or listen to the stream while playing you'd get banned for cheating.
>>740078520>Muh AIClear sign of complete incompetence. It is like elon musk trying to copy the TikTok algorithm with muh AI, even though TikTok happened way before the AI craze and is instead the result of pure statistical logic formulated by talented mathematicians.
>>740079629Typing where you are in game is different than using out of game resources to find your opponents location. Retarded argument.
>>740079291streaming is cheating because devs give you a favorable experience and fanboys give you free stuff, ergo by your logic all streamers should be bannedyou know what, I agree. Ban all streamers.
>>740079237>type in all chat my exact position at all times>anyone who kills me gets vac-bannedepic
>>740079647You're using caps here. I'm under your skin.>>740079650>third party voip is cheatingThe absolute state of consolefags lol>>740079664Yeah that's a retarded rule. Delay the stream or switch it off. It's that simple.>>740079740Your inability to explain why speaks volumes. You lost the argument.
>>740079563>it twitchednice cards haha
ITT>STOP STWEEM SNIPING MY FAVOWIT STWEEMERRRRRR
>>740079152>streamernig whips his parasocial simps into a frenzy to spam the report system>AI prioritizes the wellbeing of the streamer over some faceless nobody in the crowdIn other news nepobabbies get one extra tool in their kit to employ against future dissidence.
I deliberately broadcast my location and now everyone knows where I am, how could this happen to me?
>>740078520>Don't play battlefield 6>Keep moneyI don't know why this is so fucking difficult for some of you.
>>740079831>turn off stream>nobody knows where I amIt really is that simple and anyone who says otherwise is a bootlicker for streamers.
>>740078520I’m glad we have SKG getting passed in both EU and California.Now we need internet moderation bills prohibating websites and gaming companies from moderating how they please.This shit is getting out of hand and will be how game companies will steal your games from you.
>>740078520
>>740079784>assume I'm a toddler who can't understand the difference between in game information and using external software to gain an advantage You're right, sorry for giving you too Loch credit. No point in arguing with a 2 digit iq child. I accept your concession.
>>740078520>This shit would originally classed as a game banbut hold up goyim, because you sneaky little goy don't care about game bans we'll also VAC BAN you so it makes you steam account STINKY, you'll be a stinky cheater forever haha *Rubs hands*Enforcement Visibility>To make it easier for players to identify bad actors, specifically confirmed cheaters, we are now going to additionally apply a VAC ban. We hope this will also help undermine the spread of misinformation regarding these bad actors.
>>740078520Yep, never buying that garbage anyway.Not even Activision is stupid enough to try to enforce this.How a company that used to advertise themselves as better than COD became worse than COD baffles me.
why the fuck is it a bannable offense in the first place, if anything being able to directly interact with your favourite celebrity in a videogame should incentivize people to play it no
>>740079090It shouldn't be called cheating, but it is unsportsmanlike.
If we're going to dick-ride faggot streamers then perhaps people should be banned for NOT streaming, since it gives them the advantage of not having their location broadcast to the entire world.
>>740079992>No point in arguingYou're lashing out because you have no counter-argument. I accept your concession. Turn off your stream if you don't want people to snipe you. It's that simple and you have no counter-argument.
who's even still playing BF6 after they rugpulled everyone to go all in on battle royale?
>stream game to zero (0) viewers>every time someone kills me i report them for stream sniping>their money: stolenabsolutely devilish
>STOP>BULLYING>MY>STWEEMER
>>740078520>automating vac bans based on jeet-gpt analyzing behavior>not actual wallhacks/spingbot cheating but "informal team-ups" and "other prohibited behavior"what a retarded fucking idea. Some clueless sap is going to crouch on top of an enemy he killed, not even t-bagging but getting behind cover and get his entire account marked steam-wide with aids.
>>740078520>Just don't play Battlefield 6>Don't get banned for made up reasonsWow!
no they won't, they'll be game banned, which means literally nothing.
>>740080265Retard.
>>740080037That’s how “free market” works.Streamers make the company money by advertising their game, so the company treats them better than other customers.
You can hide in stupid ass spots in an extraction shooter and some asshole will find and kill you if you bring something of value with you.Being able to accurately pinpoint these oddities in behavior is really helpful.If you ever watched a cheater play a game they are really awful and oblivious most of the time (because they know nobody is anywhere near them) and then suddenly out of nowhere become gods of situational awareness and always check angles and corners that without fail have a target in line of sight.
>>740078520wow, I'd care if the last battlefield game I played wasn't bad company
>>740078520Isn't this game dead?
>expecting privacy when broadcasting your gameplay onlineJust turn off your stream lol
>boot up bf6>try to play a match of breakthrough>see they pussified the capture zones>again>lose interest>uninstall
>>740080405b-b-but i need attention!
>>740080087You got bodied. Your only debate tactic is going "LALALALALALA THAT DOESN'T COUNT THAT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT" just because you personally disagree with it doesn't change reality. Your idiotic strawman was dismantled along with each follow up, but you sit in your chair, fat spilling out of the sides insisting that you're still right. You're an embarrassment, pathetic to begin with fir being so desperate to win a game that you think it's your heaven mandated right to cheat, but in reality you're going to lose access to your game have your 80$ + tip stolen and then crawl into customer support begging for another chance. You lost, and got raped.
>>740078520BF6 uses VAC?
>>740078520Oh fuck Wings is finally going to be able to appear online and stop them
>>740080556tl;dr
>>740079090The streamers are all cheating anyway, they deserve it
>>740080405Just put a minute delay on the stream, this shit has been a feature of every streaming platform forever.
>first riot bricking dma cards>now this1984
uh oh bootlicker streamer fan melty!!
>>740079650Is looking at a wiki page while playing a game also cheating? Is pulling out a calculator to do some math also cheating?
>>740078520>put ttv in my name>everyone's too scared to shoot me>run around collecting free kills until I accidentally shoot someone else running the same strat>permanently marked across all of steam as a cheaterfuck
All the people here are disingenuous, retarded, or both. Stream sniper detection already exists in other games. For KLAC games it checks to see if you're on twitch watching them actively, for other games like fortnite it watches your behavior across multiple games to see if you're intentionally queueing into someone then following them around. You people are ao brainwashed it's unreal.
>Players now too afraid to shoot the enemy>They grenade themselves>Get banned because you cost the streamer the gameA BIG SMELLY VAC BANNY ON YOUR STINKY STEAMIE ACCOUNT, NOW YOU ARE A SMELLY CHEATER FOREVER!
>>740078580>kill the same player five times in a row>get permabanned
>>740078520>Still no Linux supportStill no care.
>>740078580>kill streamer>he reports you>banned and money stolen
>>740078580>He doesn't know what kernel level meansGod I wish I was a drooling retard like you. Life would be so much easier if everything felt like magic because I was a brain dead faggot
>>740079317the problem here is VAC ban is global.Other games only ban from their own game. False VAC ban is defamation in essence.
>>740081129>VAC ban is globalno it's not, retard
>>740078520>AI anticheat gets to decide when your money is stolenhahahahahahaI mean, if you're retarded enough to give EA your money, you get what you fucking deserve, but that's just hilarious.
>>740081165it brands your steam account and is used to evaluate your account by others. So its global defamation if false.
Dying to the same person in TF2>YOU ARE BEING DOMINATED. OWNED LMAO.Dying to the same person in Battlefield>Um, would you like us to ban this guy from every playing the game again? Please keep playing our game.
>>7400809581. None of that stuff should result in any form of punishment in the first place. It just leads to very blatant corruption and tons of false positives.2. This version is using AI. One that’s going to be faulty and have a majority false positives.
>>740078580prove? lol you sign up a ToS that states they can ban you for any reason they want basically lmao
>>740078520>machine learning modelsVery cool>Do nothing>AI hallucinates>Money stolen>No appeals
>>740081165There are games that will automatically ban you if you have a VAC ban.
>>740079229They get money for filming themselves and playing 24 hours a day so being targeted is an acceptable counterattack by the regular players with a real job
>>740078520Somehow I don't think valve will let them get away with this.
>>740078520Based
>>740081510>leads to tons of false positivesI'm assuming you have a source for this retarded claim?
>>740078520Thankfully I uninstalled the game like 5 or so months ago. I had never played the series before (minus an hour or two of 2 years ago). I expected Battlefield to actually feel kind of like a war vs something like COD. Will never buy another EA game.
>>740078520while getting banned by a neural network for "stream sniping" is retarded, there is a clear distinction in these words that you'll only get VAC banned for actual cheatingi have no interest in playing bf6, but you guys are getting worked up over nothing
>>740082223>nothingthe water is getting warmer
The funny thing here is that 'streamers' often use manipulated lobbies themselves. Call of Duty has people which are selling bot lobby services and that involves multiple accounts and so on.In some cases it is possible to end up in these same lobbies by accident...I'm not sure how BF6 works (and I don't care).EA is the same cancer as Activision, just a slightly different package.
>>740082262hard to use frog boiling pot analogy on somebody with no skin in the game, valve (these days, mind you, the mw2 vac ban debacle was decades ago), isn't going to let EA hand VAC band like candy over bullshit like bad behavior
>>740082164How do you gonna proof it? Gonna hack their phone for evidence watching twitch?It can only be guesswork so its faulty by default.Try to use your brain next time before going deep-throat on the corpa.
are people really such losers that they follow streamers around to kill them in games?
>>740082678>How are you gonna proof itESL + I've already stated that kernal level anticheat checks for twitch streams open and then cross references it with your game. Faceit uses this right now. Other anticheats go off pattern recognition. You queueing into a streamer over and over then following them around the map makes it obvious. >Try to use your brain Ironic. You just make baseless assumptions then try to talk down to others despite being a negative iq rodent. Just because I don't fearmonger with subhuman retards like yourself doesn't automatically make me incorrect.
Streaming games should be against the law. There is nothing worse than streamers, they unironically killed gaming. Easily the worst trend that did the most damage to society as a whole. Not even close.
>>740082934>muh rootkit>watch twitch phoneGJ replying with same shit i already covered in previous post. Too stupid to read but wants to talk shit.
>>740081410>evaluate your account by othersWho are these others and why do they matter?Play some fucking video games.
>>740083083Exactly. I don't consent to streamers monetising my gameplay and voice for their entertainment. Streaming should be bannable offense.
>>740078520Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Stream Sniping Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Turn Off Screen Capture Like Nigga Close Your Stream Haha
>>740082934>kernal level anticheat checks for twitch streams open and then cross references it with your gamethe fuck are you talking about lmao
>>740080765Yes, is it that hard for you to remember shit or to do math in your head?
>>740083165>>>/mlp/
>>740082934>Streamer puts twitch/YouTube name into their gamertag >See it and decide to check out their stream, maybe see if I show up>Banned for stream sniping
>>740083148irrelevant, you branding someone publicly a cheater with is reputation destruction. Clear case of defamation if false.
>playing hide and seek>pull out megaphone announcing where i am>call people who find me cheaters
>stream>cry like a retard people kill you for being a retardthis fucking joke of a company
does anyone actually still play this shit?
>>740079579Yep, i've seen people who got a VAC on PUBG because they had a cheater on their team even though it was randon players, devs just went "fuck it" and gave a VAC ban to a lot of people out of nowhere because they couldn't get the actual cheaters lmao.
so, if you kill a streamer you get banned, money stolen and your account gone? that is how video games work now? you literally have to let them win or they call their mom?
>>740078741Just run your own stream and claim stream sniping first
>>740083249nta but yes>get call for a job>5 seconds after call ends i forget everything
>>740079189Yup. It’s fun when you have a group of friends that’s about it. I can’t imagine grinding rank with random shitskins who hate you and throw the game if you don’t speak monkey speak.
This is called viral marketing
>>740078520Stream sniping should be allowed as the vast majority of streamers cheat.
VAC banned? Does that mean Valve will use VAC to ban like 10 thousand CSGO stream snipers?Or do you mean the BF6 devs will issue game bans outside of VAC?
Stream sniping isn't cheating
how are they gonna ban anyone when nobody is playing this game anymore?
>>740078520Good, it just means the push for these parasites to get "stream sniped" IRL, I mean in Minecraft.>Check early life and do a check up on most top Twitch and Youtube streamers >They are almost all JewishWow, I didnt know gamers and stream snipers were so anti semtic. Think of the millions of shoes anon and the roller coasters into ovens. How dare you.
>>740083545>charge $120 for a game licence>nobody is playing the game>declare no cheatersIt's funny how they declared their botnet rootkit as successful
Just don’t stream snipe, retards.
>>740079189not just bots,competitive wow raid guilds were mass reporting rival guilds main tanks to win server first kills.And I haven't played it but heard from friend same got abused in throne & liberty to win guild vs guild battles.
>>740083131I listed 2 measures taken one of which covers phone sniping. Sorry that you were born in a third world country and barely understand English.
>>740078520>meanwhile cheaters run rampant on all online gamesNice priorities
>>740078580On a loose level>kill guy>turn 63 degrees and beeline towards guy I just killeds spawn>kill guy>go 400 meters north north west to guys new spawn point>kill guyOn a kernel level anticheat level>detect that killed guy is using OBS>detect that guy killing him over and over has an internet browser connected to twitchdottv/killed guyI don't doubt there will be wrongful bans, but pretending streamsniping isnt easy and obvious to see on the extreme ends is silly
>>740078520devs are now going to be banning regular players who get unlucky and matchup with a streamer and win. meanwhile literal hackers are still running wild across all of battlefield like they have been since the games launch. fucking unbelievable.
>>740078580AIDS test.
Here's an easy solution for them. Either don't stream or delay the stream footage by 10-20-30 seconds or 1 minute. Easy.
>>740079058I heard the voice chat for GTA Online in EE is moderated by AI and it false tags people as bad actors and that's why nobody uses it anymore. And there's no text chat either because they removed it in EE.
>>740078520there's no mention of VAC there, you just get an EA faggot ban
>>740083764your other solution is just make a guess based on stats which is guesswork. Any statistical approach has to set a line between yes no and people at the border will include false positives, its basic math but i know your mutts dont get good education so its okay, not your fault really you were raised a retard.
>>740083749How the fuck does that world first not just get revoked post-investigation?>"Oh what's this, these 40 different people are all from the same guild and they conveniently all reported their rival guild's main tank. Seems legit"
>>740083921But delaying my stream harms chatter engagement and I refuse to change anything >:(
>>740078520>if you kill a player that's streaming you will be banned because you're cheating>if you kill a player with a lgbtq icon you will be banned because you're a bigot>if you kill a player with a blm icon you will be banned because you're a racist>if you kill a player that sounds vaguely female over the mic you will be banned because you're a sexist>if you communicate in open chat during a match you will be banned for toxic communication>if you try to avoid all these trapholes and your performance suffers you will be banned for intentionally causing your team to loseanybody else remember when games used to be all about fun?
This is fucking VAC so that means it's completely useless or if it detects bad actors it will take Valve 1-5 years to issue bans.
>>740084141Those systems already exist and have been in place for years. They aren't "my solution" they're reality in games running right now you fucking mong. You people are genuinely so fucking ignorant I refuse to believe you're able to function on a daily basis.
>>740078520Streamers should be hanged
>>740084061I thought that too but it's there.
>>740084224Remember in old battlefield games where the general voice would say We're losing here, get out there and fight, something like that. Well the new voice is Hey goy if you don't die for israel you're gonna get VAC BAN you stupid goy, oy vey the chutzpah of these goyim!
>>740078520Did you just... KILL A STREAMER.... IN THE GAME?!?? BROOOOOOOO YOURE RUINING HIS CONTENT BRO BRO YOURE FUCKING BANNED KID CHAT SPAM BANNED IN THE CHAT
>>740078580Let’s be honest. The only people getting banned are going to be obnoxiously admitting their crime via voice chat.
>>740084285>these systems existIts weird you mention this but not the historical failures. We have sufficient examples where devs apologized for false mass bans.
>>740080958How so? Does it scan every web page you have open in completely unrelated applications to see if a twitch dot tv URL is present? Sounds like malware to me. What other URLs are they scanning? What are they doing? Fake anti-"cheat" software scanning your browsers and collecting data on every website you have open, including your local credit union, to placate some twitch cunt streamer?
>>740078580they have the models anon
>>740078580Prove?
>>740083826>watching streams on the same computer
>>740083826>he doesn't streamsnipe while watching twitch on phoneNGMI
>>740084876Post 10 examples of mass bans
>>740084956>>740085008I get it I get it, you don't own your hardware and have to do the equivalent of sneaking into the kitchen and eating your dads snacks
>>740084889KLAC is literally malware you put on your pc in exchange for playing the game. It has access to everything you can see. Even before this riot was still scanning your browser and open software. If you had "cheat engine" open, google searched or even in a note pad iirc it would just crash your league client.
>>740084889welcome to kernel anti cheats? they can do whatever they want on your pc and all they have to do is say "we only collect data to prevent cheating, trust us bro, also you agreed to tos."
>>740084146They failed to punish people in numerous examples. That created a exploit early & fast meta - the only fear was not exploiting before its bugfixed as that would leave you handicapped compared to exploiters. For example one season there was a bug that first week people got full pvp gear which should have taken months. They half assed deleted some peoples gear but most got easy top rank spots and stayed there without removal getting gladiator titles. A season takes multiple months. So they hand months time to fix this and never did.
there is nothing wrong with banning stream snipers, like it or not it doesn't matter because streaming is a whole industry now
>>740078520When was the moment that competitive games started to change and playing to win became something bad? The launch of dead by daylight stands out in my mind as a tipping moment because of how divisive that game was between players who wanted to feel like a slasher killer murdering a team and the players who wanted it to be a glorified game of tag where you had to follow all these unwritten rules. in the end the hardcore players were effectively driven off and these days if any killer ever hooks any survivor twice in a row they are immediately ostracized by the majority of the community. if they get really unlucky and hook a streamer twice in a row they will most likely get to enjoy a temporary ban while the streamer tells their audience how people like them are ruining the vibes.
>>740079229>Player MaddogxxTTV has joined gamedon't be gay, you advertised and want the attention
>>740085338its really just "how dare you fuck with our advertisement"nobody gives a shit about streamers but they see their own bottom line hurt.
>>740078520How the fuck does stream-sniping constitute any form of cheating, which is what VAC is for?Good thing I don't play multinigger slop. Holly shit
>>740085447>how does knowing the enemys location using external software constitute as cheatingYou're not this retarded, stop it.
>>740079347cheaty detected
>>740085439In the same way tournaments don't cosign screenpeeking, anticheats don't cosign digital screenpeeking
>>740078520>HE BOUGHTED THE BATTLEFIELD 6
>>740085675This. You're doing it to yourself playing these gay rapist homo thug games
>>740085645you think any suit gives a fuck? mmorpgs have even been known to make deals with gold farmers on ban rates to max earnings.streamsniping hurts the advertisement and thats why they care about. Best example is how 10k streamers can get someone insta-banned while they dont even respond to a 4viewer nonce.
>>740078520Good. Now other games like that should do the same. I'm looking at you Bungie...
>>740085809Sure, but conveniently it's well outside of the devs intention of their game that you know where a specific player is because you're watching a stream of them
>>740078520I care more about the AI being in charge of 'disruptive' play within games more than stream snipingThink of all the dumb shit you've done in a multiplayer game with your friends or just for a laugh. You get vac vanned for that now.
>>740079579I never said otherwise
>>740084224You mean when the only people online were white? Yeah, I do.
