What do you think that the likelihood is that when Blizzard announces their "Classic+" it winds up being Retail+.Given that Aggrend was slobbering over SoD (and its introduction of shit like the most extreme class homogenization yet seen, rape of the leveling experience, AoE spam blitz instance gameplay, re-introduction of Good Boy Tokens, and raid difficulties) I don't have much hope. The only hope is that the popularity of Turtle WoW makes them reconsider going forward with Aggrend's Retail+ bullshit.
>listen as long as you post this image and people talk about our product you can write WHATEVER you want in the text box>Yes Raj, now get to it I'm not paying you 35 cents an hour for nothing
>>740141237>What do you think that the likelihood is that when Blizzard announces their "Classic+" it winds up being Retail+.100%, just look at SoD.
>>740141237I have 0 hope for classic+PvE fags want classic for the "meaningful journey" of the leveling process.PvP fags want it for the surprisingly balanced PvP state of classic relative to other MMOsI imagine neither of those things will hold up with classic+The PvE content will be raids with homogenized classes for "balance", You may as well play retail if your main concern is raids with homogenized classes.The PvP will be a total clusterfuck where theres 2-3 god classes than can 2 shot you and heal themselves to full like back in sod. world PvP will be dead because it will just be people hoping layers to avoid competing groups while they farm for crusader enchant/devilsaurs or whatever.You may as well just go play retail if you want world pvp to be dead and only do battlegrounds.
>>740141742Who the hell plays Classic for PvP or thinks they're balanced?Ever try to play a healing priest in Classic PvP?
>>740141646It would be funny if Blizzard let their jeets just post anything, but I doubt that's the case.
>>740141715It's weird that I keep coming across SoD defenders. SoD is an abomination.
Pessimism:>WoTLK talent system>RDF>10/25 raid content>Original Classic Raids with amped up difficulty with resistance gear ie Season of Mastery route>Cosmetics shop and challgene modes from Turtle WoW
>>740141237>"rejoice wowcucks! we, blizzard, are giving you wow with all the gay and stupid we put in over the years taken out with classic!">"now let us tell you about how we're going to be putting all that gay and stupid back in!"
>>740141237>What do you think that the likelihood is that when Blizzard announces their "Classic+" it winds up being Retail+.100%.You can look at SoD as reference.
>>740141237as other people said sod is basically what you can expect from classic plus
>>740141237Classics shitty skeleton team will not be able to make any actual new content the most youll get is just repurposed shit from tbc/wotlk
>>740143947I'm actually looking forward to them going into cope mode during the backlash against Retail+ by saying some shit like>B-but it's not literally exactly the current patch of Retail so its totally not Retail+!
>>740141646yeah the only way anyone is excited about classic+ is if they're a shitskin jeetKILL YOURSELF NIGGER!!
>>740141237My biggest takeaway from playing turtle wow is that blizzard has been purposefully and maliciously declining to seriously address botting and gold buying issues. Turtle wow had by far the healthiest economy of any server I've ever played on and it's because they actually fucking banned bots instead of turning a blind eye to them for sub revenue. That's the real eye opener Blizzard doesn't want people to realize by playing private servers. So yeah even if classic plus comes out there is no way I'm playing Blizzard to play on their completely compromised shill servers.
>>740144468Awesomebest gaming time of my life
>>740144525>Classics shitty skeleton team will not be able to make any actual new content the most youll get is just repurposed shit from tbc/wotlkWeird how 4 people running Turtle WoW could make so much shit but you Doctor Chuds diagnose Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard cannot do the same
>>740144817>t.
>>740141237>What do you think that the likelihood is that when Blizzard announces their "Classic+" it winds up being Retail+.It has to if it's going to be any good. Classic gameplay is shit and not even worth playing. I just want wow reset back to a simpler time narrative wise, the sky is the limit on where they can go from there, but the gameplay has to actually be modern.
>>740141237"Classic +"Classic autists whinge over the old dev team being gone so often I'd assume that you'd intuitively know any new additions are going to resemble Retail and not the 20 year old hobby horse of long gone blizzard employees
>>740145158Modern gameplay means modern communityFuck thatRetail players should all kill themselves
>>740145242>Modern gameplay means modern communityClassic player means classic community. Modern community > retail community. Modern at least play the game because unlike classic there is stuff to do outside of raid log all classic player knows is buy gold and gdkp.
>>740145158>but the gameplay has to actually be modern.The "modern gameplay" is just attack spams, but it takes several buttons instead of one or two, all your enemies are fucking jokes that serve as little more than AoE fodder that, at best, serve as a road bump between you and the boss in a postage stamp instance, who sits in the middle of a big bouncy funhouse boss room and is defeated by playing minigames.The "modern gameplay" can get absolutely fucked.I want gameplay based around resource management, buffs, debuffs and crowd controls, and instances where the ENTIRE dungeon or raid is good and ALL the enemies are challenging, not just an over-designed boss that has 10 phases and 50 Mario Party gimmick mechanics.
>>740144706>NOOOOO LET THE MULTI BILLIONAIRE DOLLAR COMPANY ASTROTURF ON 4CHAN WITH PAID ADVERTISING STOOOOOOPokay lil bro
>>740145487>serve as a road bump between you and the bossM+ rating?
>>740145790I don't play Retail.
>>740143739I wanted them to reimplement SoM in terms of difficulty during SoD but they said they're never going to disable world buffs ever again, which is the stupidest most retarded shit they could have said and made me lose all hope of a Classic+ being good. SoM actually felt like Vanilla WoW. It was actually hard, you had to actually interact with boss mechanics, and only a handful of guilds could even clear MC (just like Vanilla was). This entire philosophy is completely gone at Blizzard and Aggrend is a casual dad faggot.
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>>740145953>I don't play Retail.You didn't need to tell me that I already know. Give it a go you might like it.
>>740145242like there's any actual difference, the community in both is the same
>>740141237>Classic+And again and again and again and again.Nobody knows what the fuck "Classic+" even is.Classes changes? Classes nochanges?More raids? Less raids?More zones? No more zones?
>>740146143>Give it a go you might like it.0% chanceYou don't even deny 90% of the dogshit gameplay I just mentioned, you only dispute that trash is easy.
>>740146381>You don't even deny 90% of the dogshit gameplay I just mentioned, you only dispute that trash is easy.Okay I deny all of it. The game's really fun. Give it a try!
>>740146343Classic plus more content. That's literally what it means.I think some people would like class rebalancing, but staying true to the original intent of the talent specs instead of whatever the fuck they were doing in SoD
>>740141237Im not interested in any WOW anything anymore after blizzard moved my wow classic character to the retail goyslop servers without asking me and with it being irreversible
>>740141237I wonder what percentage of Wow classic players is new blood and not former wowers trying to relive their teen/college years experience.
>>740146439>more content.So more raids. Why complain about "MUH RETAIL" then when its is literally what people want.
>>740146414Would you say that this game is a fairly accurate portrayal of the experience of M+?
>>740146528Maybe, but I would also want more dungeons and more profession content and for the unfinished and undercooked zones to be fleshed out.And I would hardly describe Retail as Vanilla with more raids.
>>740146586>more dungeonsIgnored if drops are not BiS.>more profession contentIgnored if crafts are not meta stuff or BiS.>unfinished and undercooked zones to be fleshed outSee above.Nothing will change until people abandon meta-efficiency way of playing.
>>740146541>Would you say that this game is a fairly accurate portrayal of the experience of M+?No because there are actually people to play with and the classes are actually fun to play. Fellowship's version of an Arms warrior is shocking.
>>740146723>Ignored if drops are not BiS.>Ignored if crafts are not meta stuff or BiS.Both should drop BiS items and otherwise be a mainline part of progression rather than shit you do to "prepare for the raid." The idea that raiding is THE endgame content for MMOs is a significant part of the cancer that helped kill them.
>>740146943Yes, but would you say that the content is fairly representative of M+ content?
>>740141237Even if, against all odds, Blizzard somehow manages to knock it out of the park (they won't), Classic+ will still suck and die quickly because the modern player base is full of antisocial retards.
naxx gear is too op for any new content to not be speedran in a dayhowever one thing they could do to help this is fix the heroic strike dual wield accuracy bug that plagues wow until cataclysm and then 90% of groups might not be warriors anymore
>>740146964>and otherwise be a mainline part of progressioni will buy boost anyway:^)
>>740147163What does that mean?I'm saying that raiding shouldn't be the sole endgame.
>>740146528What's the purpose of pretending not to understand anything? You just want to keep the discussion going by painting yourself as an ignorant sealioning retard?
>>740147187>raiding shouldn't be the sole endgameWhat else could be the endgame?PvP is ruined by faction stacking, openworld PvE will be speedran by poopsockers (e.g. AQ gates), any kind of social event will be overtaken by streamers and their simps.
