no but it's mediocrity turned the series into memberberries slop

>>740281529
Yes but it's still kinda fun

Yes.

>>740281529
Better than New Vegas

>>740281671
F(ourth)PBP

>>740281529
>only 2 towns
>you have to build the rest of the towns because Bethesda is lazy
>choices don't matter

You only thing good about this game is the gunfights and terrain to have them on.

>>740281806
how would 2010 obsidian make fallout 4?

>>740281529
Bethesda has never made a good RPG, they've made some good games though

It had its flaws but I see it as the last point of canon Fallout material.
76? Didn’t happen
Supporting material? Nope
Amazon TV show that was written by MCU directors and goes out of its way to bash capitalism, featuring a powerful girlboss and reducing existing factions to misogynistic retards? Get that shit outta here

>>740281990
I fucking hate that horrendous adaption so much potential but they hire faggots and retarded hags to write it, aim a IDF missile at todd and everyone at microsoft

>>740281529
No, it's the second best fallout game after FO3

>>740281990
I still can't believe they were brave enough to set the TV show in the west coast let alone make it canon

>>740282102
>canon
its not

>>740281529
No, it's the second best fallout game after FO76

>>740282137
Yes

>>740281529
No but it's still shit

>>740281874
Like Fallout New Vegas

>>740281529
Yes, the story is terrible and the gameplay ends up unsatisfying.
The vast majority of enemies in the game are generic level-scaled humanoids that become ridiculously tanky as your level gets higher. The gun variety is really poor because you're expected to make up for it with customization but the customization options are generally boring and the armor modifiers aren't interesting. The most interesting thing you'll ever craft is the power armor jetpack.
The sidequests are hit or miss, a lot of them are generic "clear this unexplored place full of generic enemies out" before turning into "clear this place you've already cleared of generic enemies before" but some of them are more advanced than that and they're kind of neat but they're not common.
The atmosphere is great, they didn't put a colored tint over it either.
The settlement mechanic is garbage and half-baked. The settlements are nothing more than passive resource printers that you have to revisit once in a while to deal with a generic wave of generic enemies because the alternative is a small off-screen chance for them to succeed and force you to spend 2 minutes repairing things. There's nothing unique to them other than location.
Power armor is overpowered for how early you get it and you have no reason to take it off because chances are you'll find a ton of fusion cores just by walking around from place to place unless you sprint everywhere or run into a computer you can't use because there's a chair in front of it.
There's barely any difference with what character you want to make because your character will inevitably become powerful at everything and then you just engage in stealth arche-I mean, sneak sniper rifles.
The factions are shallow as fuck and you don't really have a hand in influencing them, a lot of them have their own share of generic quests they force you to do.
The DLCs add more OP/powercreep stuff.
The "anniversary update" sucked.

>>740281529
if anyone says it's good, they are straight up retarded and contributed to the downfall of modern games

>>740281529
New Vegas was better

>>740281529
Skyrim with guns

>>740281529
>You get into power armor and fight a death claw in the first 10 minutes of the game
You tell me, anon

>>740281529
As just an open world fps it's ok. But as an RPG it's bad and thats what Fallout is meant to be.

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>>740281529
I mean I liked it as a filthy casual so it was probably that bad - for the diehard Fallout fans. Maybe it introduced some new players for the diehard Fallout scene or it just shat everything up. I remember Fallout 3 being atrocious, though.

All the other Fallout games have the "nerd edge" (no I'm not joking) if that makes sense. WH40K had it, some guy would come into a game store with a pelican case full of gray figures and you'd have no idea what the fuck it is. Until COVID and now it's almost a household name. Same thing with the older Fallout titles, it was a ponytail exclusive genre.

Now there's an entire show on Amazon for it, and my boomer Star Trek dad (not diehard enough to be a Trekkie, though) knows about it and has watched it at almost 70 years old. I don't think he's ever played a Fallout game.

>>740281529
East Coast Fallout as a whole is just wasted potential for the lore and world of Fallout at this point

>>740281529
No it's fun

It's the only Fallout with passable gameplay, and has some good dungeon dungeon. But the entire package is overall shit and has quite possibly the worst writing I have ever seen in a video game.

>>740281529
No. Vanilla FO4 competed with the Witcher 3 for GOTY and it was actually close. Fully modded FO4 turns into a 20/10 - only dumb contrarians hate it, and it's honestly sad failing to find joy with one of the best toys out there. I mean, I heard some folk uninstalling when seeing the skill tree ffs :D

Why was Shaun replacing people with synths

>>740281529
No, worse.

>>740284005
To rule the commonwealth or something idk man

>>740281529
Yes.
Yes.
Yes (sarcastic)
No (yes)

I played starfield for a hundred hours before going back to fallout 4 and decided fallout 4 is a masterpiece

>>740283865
The writing was so bad it made Fallout 3's seem tolerable in comparison

>>740284005
because the Institute wanted Terminator agents infiltrating every major surface city, so they can control what's happening & gather intel. The didn't expect said Terminator to develop consciousness, because apparently in the 23rd century everyone's forgotten about AM, Skynet, Shodan, GlaDoS etc. so what happened at Far Harbor caught them off guard.
Also they're evil, so who cares - burn the high ranks, stop the kidnap & murder, employ the clankers for the greater good.

If you cut the ENTIRETY of 4 and replaced it with Far Harbor you'd have a better game

>fallout 4 releases
>exploring
>see a robot race track and some guy commenting on the race
>oh man this towns fucking cool lets explore
>NEVER SHOULD OF COME HERE every hostiles

lame.

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>>740284196
they really should've developed the Children of Atom more, a full major questline with those insane radioactive cultists is way better than ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP

>>740284005
Because hes a stupid faggot.
Member when you first meet him and he pulls a bait and switch with robo-shaun? I shot him in the face my first playthrough just for that.

Synths are such a dumb idea in the first place. A total waste of resources past Gen 2. Stop programming them to have the ability to rebel. Roll their code back to previous versions where that doesn't happen. Better yet, stop making them all together. If they're just spying on people then teleport cameras and microphones everywhere. If someone's doing something they dont like then teleport a big bomb and kill whoever doing whatever it is you dont like.

Fuck synths, fuck the institute, fuck fallout 4.

>>740284104
Lol

>>740284270
p.s. there's a mod for it btw, a great one at that (sry for samefagging)

>>740284145
But then why are there random farmers in the middle of nowhere who are synths

>>740284005
They believe that they are meant to be humanity's savior so when they see that the Commonwealth is actually rebuilding without them it completely goes against their ideology. So they try to sabotage and take over everything in the surface. It's the reason why they destroyed the Commonwealth Provisional Government which actually had potential to unite the Commonwealth and bring back civilization.

>>740284196
True

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>>740284329
>why is controlling food supply in a wasteland important

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cons
>they turned the fallout rpg series into a looter shooter
>gameplay is still super jank
>no toggle aim option in a shooter
>no ladders
>two times voiced protagonist
>the story is really bad
>dialogue options are lazy

pros
>visuals are okay
>power armor design is sex
>survival mode was almost perfect

>>740284394
But then what about other random settlers or people like Art

>>740284476
>don't care
>disagree
>don't care
>don't care
>disagree
>disagree
>disagree

The game is brilliant, if you don't have a little bitch in your ear telling you to hate it. Most of your nitpicking is exactly that ... idk, I long for the day I forget enough about it so I can play it fully modded for the Nth time
>>740284548
Who's Art?

>>740281529
The main villain, when you finally get to him, excuses his actions by outright saying
"You would not understand so I won't tell you why we are doing this"
Yes, it's THAT bad.

>>740284476
>>740284660
Why is Emil so fucking good at writing

>>740281874
Probably vastly different that it'd be hard to say every little thing but
>Minutemen and Railroad fused into one faction, maybe the start off as two different ones but realize they're both too weak to do anything against the other two
>Institute has a better reason to replace people with Synths instead of just doing it willy nilly
>Radiant quests would be toned down if at all included
>DLC would probably still suck but at least have some cohesion
>Better looking architecture
>Less random retcons

>>740284660
Nah, dude, Elder Maxson tells you exactly his motivations - real villain wants to drown the Commonwealth in blood, starting a civil war. The Institute are evil, in the sense a mad dog is bad. The Brotherhood consciously wants to do bad stuff, nevermind the hoarding of tech & medicine (which admittedly the Institute does too)

>>740284709
What about the Brotherhood?

>>740284657
Art is a rando you can meet in a random encounter. One Art is a synth the one being held hostage and the other is human. You don't know who Art is, you never see him again, and is one of the main arguments that the Institute is retarded and just replacing anyone they can rather than strategically chosen people.

>>740284753
Talking about Father, retard.

>>740284476
>power armor design is sex
It really isn't.
Because they enlarged the suit so much, the characters hands/feet don't actually fit in the power armor. The proportions of the suit itself would also require your person to be a fucking noodle-human.
Fallout Power Armor, fitting an actual human being, would not look like FO4 power armor.

>>740284789
The Institute are a monkey with a gun desu, too retarded to utilize their vast resources for good (machine labor, agriculture, tech, medicine, a freakin nuclear reactor) They kidnap people, experiment with FEV, murder, subversion, infiltration - fuck the Institute, needs a change of leadership that can use it better.
>>740284841
I know. For me, the real villain is Elder Maxson who wants to start a war over free labor that does EXACTLY what it's programmed for (up until Gen 2 at least)

>>740281529
It’s just kind of mediocre, that’s the main problem.

It technically improves on basically almost everything compared to Fallout 3, so it’s theoretically better to some and could be considered good, but when it came out people were expecting a bit more than “Fallout 3+ Lite”, so it’s pretty bad in that regard. On its own merits it’s a fine game, but it isn’t especially interesting, it just kinda has a lot of shit to do. It’s an awful RPG and an okay shooter, which really means all it’s good for is either people with low standards, people with a lot of spare time or people who want a decent framework to mod to hell and make their own interesting version of the game.

>>740284936
Elder Maxson is retarded because Gen 1-2 Synths are basically just fancier Protectrons, they are robots that cannot rebel, you tell them to pick up trash and they'll do it.
He's also retarded because Gen 3 synths are just humans (immortal, unaging humans which don't need food, water and are immune to radiation lmao) so that's equally stupid

>>740285083
Yeah, agreed. Honestly, I thought the Brotherhood are a good choice in the beginning, but later down the road I had to shoot them down - so much blood spilled in a land that desperately needs more workers? That's just dumb, everyone will lose like that. In my last playthrough I just usurped the Institute, killed half the leadership & coerced the rest to use the organization for good, gave Gen 3 & upwards synths freedom & equal rights, but only after testing. Basically, if they have free will, they can choose & deserve to be free.
Which made me sad, because I modded the Brotherhood to be the 4th Reich ;dd really cool mod, with German voice lines and everything ... had to kill em all tho, last thing the Commonwealth needs is another war.

>>740284476
Powerful dialogue, Avellone could never

>>740285252
>The brotherhood's entire purpose is to store and protect technologies
>When they find the institute, a treasure trove of technology, they nuke it lmao
That alone proves Bethesda has no clue what Fallout factions are for.

>>740281529
At launch- yes.
Survival mode wasn't until months after launch and the game even on 'VERY HARD' was stupidly easy.

>>740285285
... Elder Maxson said the synth tech is an abomination that must be destroyed - they cannot infiltrate the Institute, they cannot even physically get there. The only option those muscleheads had was to drop a huge bomb on its roof & call it a day.
It all makes sense, considering they cannot physically get inside the Institute (you try digging a few miles under the surface unnoticed)

>>740285414
>... Elder Maxson said the synth tech is an abomination that must be destroyed
Gen 1-2 synths are just robots, Maxson is retarded.
>they cannot infiltrate the Institute, they cannot even physically get there
Not only can they just mine a big hole to get in, they can teleport in as well lmao.
>The only option those muscleheads had was to drop a huge bomb on its roof & call it a day
They literally break in, kill everyone inside, and then blow up the place via sabotaging their reactor (more tech).
You should try playing the games you're discussing, that way you might make more sense.

>>740285285
>store and protect
No, it's to prevent anyone else abusing it.
Destroyed is just as good as contained.

>>740281671
>>740281748
SAAAAAARRR

>>740285469
You should try playing Fallout 1 and 2.
They actively hoard technology, they don't destroy it lmao.

>>740285461
Gen1's are just robots.
Gen2's are grey area.
They have a neuron 'brain' and a full gut with metabolism for energy. They're still dumb as bricks.

>>740285520
They sure hoarded Mariposa...

>>740281806
>only 2 towns
I dont know why this lie continues to spread. Even ignoring the faction areas like prydwyn as well as lesser settlemens like greygarden, Crater of Atom and the Slog, there are clearly three major towns in Covenant, Diamond City, and Bunker Hill. I question if people who parrot the 2 towns narrative have even played the game once in the 10+ years it has existed.

>>740285561
>Gen2's are grey area.
Gen2's are just Gen1's with rubber skin. What's so grey about that? Wrapping a toaster in latex doesn't make it any smarter.
>>740285561
Mariposa was full of FEV, in addition the Brotherhood didn't blow it up, the player does. Retard.

>>740285583
Quincy and University Point were also a large settlements only a few years before the game.

>>740284762
probably slightly stronger than vegas chapter, on account of them controlling DC, they wouldnt made them just le evil robot hating like bethesda's fallout 4 brotherhood tho.

>>740281990
>It had its flaws but I see it as the last point of canon Fallout material.
I reject everything after Fallout 1.
Enclave in Fallout 2? Fuck them. Fuck the notion of secret evil old world government cabal to begin with.
Fallout Tactics? Never finished it.
Fallout 3? Fuck it.
Fallout New Vegas? I hate Fallout 2 so why would I like New Vegas to begin with.

>>740284476
visuals are okay??? by the time fallout 4 came out its already outdated, i agree with survival mode being real good as well as power armor design being sexy, although the lore rape that came with the redesign is not cool

>>740285747
I reject Fallout.
It's a poor imitation of Wasteland.

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>>740284476
F4 is bad and has almost no RP potential whatsoever, but this pic (and a lot of others like it) are more of a UI issue, rather than a writing one. There were plenty of times in previous Fallout games (and many other RPGs) where you had fewer than 4 dialogue options, but those don't get screenshots because they don't look silly. Ultimately, that pic is just reporting on the completion of a quest. In FNV it'd look like
>I killed all of the raiders.
>Goodbye.
and nobody would care despite that also being one option.

>>740285903
true, the writing is still bad though. fuck emil

>>740281529
It's the best Fallout game.

>>740281529
>Was it really that bad?
Yes and no.
Factions were better than skyrim. RPG elements were better than skyrim. perks/attributes were better than skyrim. Speechcraft system was better than skyrim
>b-b-but X thing you said was better than skyrim was total dog shit dude!
and yet... still better than skyrim.

the shit things were
>a lot of dialog choices were fake depth and had the exact same outcome as everything else.
>lack of NPC towns was kinda lame
>settlement building was lame in that there was almost no quests about defending a settlement. there was one in the main story but its possible to do that early before you get cool defences. i wish it was expanded on more.
>>740283382
>power armor early!
its shitty power armor. cores are hard enough to find that always wearing power armor isnt viable early unless you have like max science or you are a subhuman wiki gamer. also the main character is a soldier who wore power armor during the war so it makes sense he can use it.
Honestly power armor early was a good move because it opened up alternative playstyles. if you started with like 10 int and got the power armor perk then it made up for not getting any of the other good perks.

>>740285903
Semi unrelated note, there are so many fucking idiots regardless of where they are, be it reddit 4chan twatter, who think the voiced protagonist is the cause of the fucking abysmal dialogue options. If there's one good thing to come from Starfield, it is that it single handedly disproves that.
The writers at Bethesda cannot fucking write, the designers can't design a fucking quest worth a damn. Were the current hands at the company were to make a game that is near completely text based in terms of quest and narrative delivery, they'd still create something as fucking woeful as Fallout 4 and Starfield.
Yet Bethesda listens to the wrong fucking morons time and time again.

>>740286305
>the voiced protagonist is the cause of the fucking abysmal dialogue options.
It's not, but it's correlated to it. What it does however is destroy any semblance of RP since you have a very specific voice (and a very specific backstory), and that can be excused if the writing is solid, but it's dogshit. Bethesda's FO forces extremely precise backstories upon you, whereas actual FO doesn't.

>>740286273
>there was almost no quests about defending a settlement.
Turn on the minuteman radio and these fuckers will constantly spam defense radiant quests despite the fact that you armed those motherfuckers to the teeth with end-game gear and rocket turrets.
They will even give you rescue radiant quests because NPCs are fucking stupid enough to get captured by shit-tier muties despite living in a fucking Death Star on the ground.
All because they most likely recycled Skyrim's Hearthfire radiant quest system.

>>740281529
It started the downfall of Bethesda

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The absolute worse thing Bethesda did was change survival mode a week or two after launch.
Some god damn idiot retard made a mod that was about making the damage "realistic" which made everything a 1 hit kill and bethesda played it and thought it was hecking cool or whatever so they integrated the mod into their survival mode to make survival mode more "realistic".

What this did was basically make every build that wasnt "stealth archer" unviable. I had a tanky endurance build that suddenly got 1-2 shot by everything the same as glass cannon builds despite having no stealth and I needed to disable survival mode which also disabled the food/drink and other survial mode related features. Bethesda couldnt be bothered to make "realistic damage" a separate feature they had to make sure that everyone who wanted to play survival mode needed to play a stealth archer or get a mod to tweak damage modifiers themselves back to normal.

>>740286479
Good

>>740286479
skyrim was their downfall tbqh

>>740281529
Dogshit game.

>>740286464
when i played I thought that if your cities defence score was higher than value score or whatever then they would never get attacked. is that new that you can force attacks with radio? i knew you could do it with mods.

>>740286598
>their most successful title was the downfall
lol
and if you're gonna start on quality, we can go back to oblivion (at the latest) for that

>>740286598
Skyrim was their peak, most people only started to realize how garbage Bethesda was proper after Fallout 4

>>740281529
>Was it really that bad?
Yes
Yes (sarcastic)
No (Yes)
I'll say Yes for 50 more caps (charisma check)

>>740281529
No it was even worse

>>740287035
>No it was even worse (yes)

>>740284000
>If the game is entirely changed with mods it’s good
Holy fucking cope

it's mediocre and people vigorously defending it is annoying because it's encouraging bethesda to stay stagnant and not make actual meaningful core improvements to their games like "make the combat good"

>>740287085
jej

removing every speech checks except charisma is this games biggest sin imho

>>740284000
>Fully modded FO4 turns into a 20/10
>Doesn't fix the story
>Or the fuck ugly textures/meshes
>Or the lore breaking shit
>Or...
20/10 my ass.

>>740287208
I can kind of imagine how pissed off the script writers were, when they were told skills would be removed.
>Okay so when talking to the gun store owner we can use our guns skill to get a discount! Or to get a special item! Or to get a special quest!
>Oh, right, sorry Jim but there's no gun skill
>Well what the fuck am I supposed to write then?
>I dunno we still have charisma, maybe just give the player 50 more caps if they pass an RNG check?

>>740286405
>It's correlated to it.
Only correlation is one extra strain on resource and budget. With that same logic having voiced NPCs at all causes abysmal dialogue options because they are also bound by it.
A writer that really wants to do nothing but write will write without care of VO budget, and a tard wrangler will cut it down so the game can get actually finished. See also Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer.
>What it does however is destroy any semblance of RP
Alpha Protocol has a voiced protagonist with only 4 options most of the time, often only two, and it is lauded for its RP experience. It's idiotic to conflate the problems that come from a voiced protagonist and the character not being a near-blank slate like Michael Thorton.
Even that is debatable when the Witcher trilogy is lauded for its RP experience of telling elves to go fuck themselves despite that Geralt has an entire novel series worth of pre-established backstory.
JC Denton's backstory in Deus Ex, fresh agent with a brother, is about as precise as the Soul Survivor's in Fallout 4. A person having a job and a family is about as basic as you can get. And nobody complains about Deus Ex.

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>>740281529
It had its ups and downs but the story was really meh, the "dialogue options" zero, but the map was cool, Valentine is a nice npc, and the basebuilding could get REALLY autistic really fast

>>740287416
>FO4 advanced power armor is based on the FO2 sprite instead of the talking head model, which is what it 'actually' looks like
God I hate them so much.

>>740281529
Mogged by a spin-off made in 18 months

>>740281529
Made me lose interest in not only Fallout, but bethesda as a whole. I haven't bought a game from them since

>>740287375
You're being autistic anon. Of course you can have RP decisions with a pre-established character, but the character had better be interesting in the first place for people to care, and in a game where there is barely any RP decisions to take, at least giving us the Skyrim treatment where we can customize our appearance a lot and imagine a fitting backstory compensates us a bit. FO4 sucks in all those aspects because it's forced incredibly precise backstory, very limited RP choices, bad writing and an entire voice mandating that your character sounds like this.

>>740287416
The companions were one of the only good things about the game

>>740285747
This shi just make you sound like boomer, unc
dah bih gah

>>740287416
Was power armor this big in the OG fallout games as well?

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>>740287516
Nick and the pirate Ghoul are cool, I'm struggling to even remember the rest

>>740287628
>Was power armor this big in the OG fallout games as well?
No, because they're canonically man-portable and don't have the tech to have fine-motor-control remote control hands.

>>740284657
Mods didn’t make you play and explore the game properly?
By your own metric, the game isn’t good if you need to mod it to fuck.

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>>740287628
Van Buren's demo shows how the Black Isle devs intended to have the power armor look in 3D and it definitely doesn't look like how they do in Fallout 4/76

>>740287816
WTF POWERED ARMOR IS NOT A HUGE FUCKOFF MECHA SUIT???
REEEEEE!

>>740287679
I mostly remember MacReady because of 3 and Kate because redheads

>>740287679
Cait, Danse, Deacon, and MacCready are also good

>>740287514
Your entire post can be summarized with
"These games that have the same problems Fallout 4 has (voiced protagonist, pre-established character, limited RP choices) are good because the writing is good, and Fallout 4 is bad because the writing is bad."
And I agree with you.
Voiced protagonist is a non issue. "incredibly precise backstory" is a non issue. Limited RP choices is a non issue if the choices actually have any weight. Basic math reveals a game with only 5 binary choices where all of it matters leads to 32 outcomes. Dialogue in older RPGs people claim to love don't have that many actual options to begin with. New Vegas don't really have that many actual options when it comes to outcomes. It's just flooded with filler about how much they are obsessed with keeping the road safe.

>>740288135
This is true. Recently replayed New Vegas and was blown away by how many dialogue options are essentially just "what are your opinions on the NCR" "what are your opinions on the legion" "what do you think the NCR could improve on" "why do you hate the legion" and maybe two more branching options that only re-explain details you've heard from other characters several times by the time you get to Primm

>>740281529
It's definitely not what the fans wanted

>>740288354
That's worldbuilding though. Actual choices don't come for randomly talking to NPCs with their own personalities and viewpoints on factions and the world, they come from your decisions during quests or on who to help/join.