>If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealingIt's still stealing tho
The devil reserves a special place in hell for pirates
>>740585548>>740585607Copyright has been so thoroughly twisted by congress in complete disregard for the laws that congress is actually allowed to pass, that piracy isn't even copyright infringement.
>frogposter>god awful post that does nothing but take up spaceWow I've never seen a thread like this before
remember when jesus pirated all those fish
>>740585548It's borrowing. Once I'm done with the game, I'm returning it by deleting the files from my drive.
>>740585648You know the only thing that has changed about copyright is the duration, right?
>>740585607You know nothing of hell.
Me stealing my rental car
>>740585548piracy isn't stealing because copyright isn't a real right.
>>740585690 same here to say this too
>>740585994By that logic no right is a real right.
Why do people feel entitled to digital property? Like if I created something how is it weird for me to gatekeep an access to it, thats my right
Want. Take. Have. Life can literally be that simple.
Of course it's stealing. It's just stealing I'm okay with. Stop lying to yourselves. As if every intangible service should be free.
>>740585607But jesus pirated food.
Imagine I created a game, and didnt release it, no one is mad, but if I create a game, give people access to it for money, and put denuvo on it(imagine denuvo still works in this scenario and imagine this version of denuvo doesnt have pirate cope like worse performance and kernel access) I am suddenly the bad guy
>>740586109Lefty kids think that art and entertainment shouldn't be rewarded as if you don't have to put time, effort and money into creating it.Then they also have this who anti-establishment thing going on so they're just being completely retarded.
>>740586189That's the problem, modern pirates don't want to accept that it's stealing and as such they just parade it on their chest like a badge of honor and then they complain and act like victims when Nintendo take down sources they let them know about.
>>740585548This. If leasing isn't owning that doesn't mean you get to just steal cars from the dealership. That's not how real life works. Third world poorfags around here come up with the most insane copes.
It's funny how the same people that saying piracy isn't stealing are now also saying devs using AI are literally stealing from artists.Developers pirating aren't stealing either, you fucks, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
>>740585786Don't forget about the bread being pirated too>>740586109Because it's fucking retarded if you think you can patent or gatekeep an idea.
>>740586494You... have to, if you want to incentivise anyone actually inventing stuff. Besides, games aren't "ideas," they are fully-fledged products with thousands upon thousands of man hours behind them. Come on. Holy shit you are stupid.
>>740586243its commie "i want it for free" mindsetshould just mandate community service for every pirate lmaoif they repeat offend then some hard labor so they understand the true value of work
I just don't want to pay for it is all
>>740585786It's his dad's IP though.
>>740586464>Lease car>Take it to my magic copying machine>Make a perfect copy>Return car to dealership>Go back home and use my perfect copypiracy is its own thing
>>740585607I'm immune to hell by the blood of Jesus Christ who saved me through His grace. I denounce the talmud. :)
I will buy a service through steam only. Any other way I will laugh
>>740586550The people who made the game already got paid in their wages
>>740585548I wasn't going to buy it anyway.
>>740586624
>>740585607Does it have good download speeds?
>>740586634That's still stealing. You took something of value that cost money to make and gave nothing back. You are a thief.
>>740585548Piracy is copying.
>>740586674They won't for very long. You're being disingenuous....I hate that North European time zones are so close to Indian ones.
I pirate games I never play just so the devs lose money
>>740586624big if true
>>740585548But I don't care tho. Moreover, I will spread the deed of piracy far and wide for it is the real "give the power to the weak" deal, not the fake ai-slopped one
>>740586784I pirate obscure indie games thousands of times so the devs go bankrupt and have to give up on their dreams and get a McJob.
>>740586064Correct. People spend their whole lives thinking there a rules.There aren't. We used to be gorillas. The only things that matters is what you can take and what you can defend.
It is physically impossible for me to commit theft, because I am the most important person ever, and the entire universe and everything and everyone in it belongs to me, so how can I steal from myself?
>>740585548>It's still stealing thoI know
>>740586740>They get sacked after making the game>Still got paid for the duration of the work on the gameWhat am I missing here?
>>740586634I never took it, the original car is still at the dealership
>>740586867You're not giving "power" to anyone. You're just a brown thief coping with other brown thieves.
>>740586965meant for >>740586720
>>740586919>game didn't sell well enough for DLC or a sequel due to piracy >devs out a job instead of getting further work
>>740586707It only has good upload speeds
>>740587023not my problem
>>740586893Is that frog the lawyer you will use in court while you samefag "based" to all his arguments?
>>740587049>Piracy isn't theft!<Actually it does result in tangible economic damage>I don't care lmao
>>740585548Sovereign is he who decides the exception. If there are no effective consequences for a breach in the Law, then Law has no legitimacy. Appeals to concepts of “justice” in response to the lack of legitimacy Law has is as futile as the retorts of the Melians against the Athenians.
>>740586064>By that logic no right is a real right.Guys he's getting it
>>740587107yeh
>>740586965You want the car. That means there's a market demand. People spend money to create a product to meet that demand. Instead of completing the transaction you took the car for free, which means they won't invest the capital risk again to make more products. Why? Because you stole. Because you are a coping thief.
>>740587023if they got sacked because the game didn't do well they probably made a pile of shit. I never see 'good' games without DRM struggling with piracy
>>740585874NTA but that's a huge change our founders never envisioned or would approve of.There's also a few changes like Look and Feel patents, which in turn have been changed themselves when it lent to abuses.
>>740585548frogtard-kun....
>>740585548It's called file-sharing, and it was never stealing to begin with.
>>740587219But what if I could NEVER afford the car in the first place?
>>740585607>The devil reserves a special place in hell for piratesYeah, the elevator up
>>740587312>What if I introduce new conditions to the argument that completely change the situation?
>>740586707No, it has a firewall and you can't download shit.
>>740587107>Actually it does result in tangible economic damageAnd I'm sure any day now a disinterested third party will be able to provide evidence for this claim...any day now, for sure...just you wait...
>>740587219It's pretty dumb to create a product with the intention of making a profit in what is clearly a post-scarcity society with matter replicators.
>>740587312I accept your concession.>>740587378So, you, posting on the video games board, believe it's dumb to create video games?
>>740587107This has never been proven, though I've seen it be insisted ad nauseum for the last two decades at least.
>>740586494>Because it's fucking retarded if you think you can patent or gatekeep an idea.How about a year of work?
>>740587367Honestly, I don't think piracy is a big issue for most developers, but I think we should be honest with ourselves that it is theft. I steal. You steal. We're all stealing stuff we should be paying for. Why? Because we don't want to pay. Pretending that you have some moral high ground is childish. Just admit to it.
>>740587367>w-where are ur p-peer revuwed stuudies????Embarassing reddit tier debate tactics
>>740586720This logic falls apart because it fails to take into consideration the cost to create a perfect copy. If you took a car from the dealership, scanned it, and built your own from your own parts, then that wouldn't be illegal in any sense. There is no real world equivalent to file sharing.
>>740587490theft has a meaning and the act media piracy isnt it
>>740586109Its is a holdover from phsyical vs digital debates. Their are both the same price but one you dont have ownership. Services can deny access to product or can just die. They're's is have been very also the issue that this digital good might not be readily available to a potential customer in that there are too many obstacles present that would allow the transfer of money for this digital good.
>>740587626See >>740587219
In the immortal words of the Futuristic Sex Robots,"If I want your shit for free, I ain't gonna have to pay".
>>740587490Stealing takes the originalPiracy makes a copy of the originalI'm not a thief, I'm a pirateAnd these days buying software doesn't mean you own it. So why the fuck would I bother buying it when I can just pirate to get the same (or often better) result?
>>740587448>So, you, posting on the video games board, believe it's dumb to create video games?With the intention of getting money AFTER development, when there's nothing to actually sell? Yes. The proper economic model is patronage--the developer gets paid DURING development.
Is there even stuff worth pirating nowadays?
>>740587627Whatever, that's pure semantics--you are unlawfully and immorally taking part in an experience you know you should be paying for. I don't care what the word for it is. The important part is admitting that you're doing something wrong.See >>740587670
>>740585548
>>740587652Stealing implies the original was removed. Filesharing is not stealing.
>>740585548dont care, i got more important shit to spend money on. like drugs. and fuel.
>>740587685>ackshually the early access model is the best!Clown moment. These are the mental gymnastics thie/v/es put themselves through.
>>740587787You wouldn't steal a cocaine.
You know... stealing food isn't really stealing either, since it grows from the ground for free! They'll get new melons and fried chicken next year!
https://youtube.com/shorts/CXUkvwyW7ZI?si=VE8l1FcHkuXyj_fgTrvth
>>740587905would if i fuckin could. i dont do poser sugar though
>>740587905If I make my own cocaine, am I stealing income from cocaine producers?
Legally, I don't give a shit if piracy satisfies the definition of theft in whatever jurisdiction the publisher is in. Morally, I'm fine with 'stealing' a sale from these people and if I could physically take the money they seem to think I owe them from their hands I would do it.
>>740587925retard
>>740587479What if there is someone who can deliver the same or better work in shorter amount of time from only glancing?What if I fix my own plumbing instead of paying a plumber?What if I cook my own pasta instead of going to a restaurant? MONEY STOLEN from the hard working service provider.>>740587448Money is still used to exchange and acquire material and consumable goods like food, water, gasoline, but digital content can be copied defacto infinitely and the competition is for the user attention AND money.Americans are buckbroken and think a pirate is someone who downloads content for free rather than someone who hosts it, i.e. republishes it without having the copyrights to do so.Back in the day, CD project used to pirate games, burn them on disks and sell on bazaars
>>740587738>A: i want this but i dont have the money, time, talent, or resources to make it>B: ok we will acquire a LOT of money, time, talent, and resources to make it for you and you will only have to pay a fraction of the share>A: nope im a niggerPirating is stealing
>>740586634You've still committed theft anon. There are different types of theft:LarcenyBurglaryGrand theft autoPiracyMaking a copy doesn't mean you had permission to make and distribute that copy, nor does it mean you had ownership of the car you made a copy of, that copy still belongs to the owner.
>>740588106If the ability to copy exists and I am capable of it, I do in fact have the time, talent, and resources to make it. There is no difference.
>>740586878Alright, drop your address so I can go and murder you.
>>740588027Money is still used to acquire the framework and talent to make the digital consumable good. Piracy is stealing.
>pirating is a rational thing to do>if every person on earth did this rational thing there would be like 80% less games and everyone would suffer Really makes you think
>>740585548How can i steal something no one can own?
I want redditfrog posters gone
>>740588240You didn't make anything. I accept your concession, thief.
>>740588343>I cant formulate my own argument or address all the arguments btfo pirates itt so ill ask AIEmbarassing.
>>740588301>there would be like 80% less games
>>740588349i made ur mum cum from sex lol
>>740587281>NTA but that's a huge change our founders never envisioned or would approve of.It's also an irrelevant change that doesn't affect anything because it only pertains to creative works. It could be permanent and there would be no significant change.>There's also a few changes like Look and Feel patentsWhich isn't copyright and have actually had their restrictions loosened over time which defeats your point. Patents also only get abused in America due to the incompetence of the USPTO. That's why patent trolling only really exists there.
>>740586191lmao
>>740588349File sharing is not theft. "Piracy" is a misnomer. Copying of a video game is not harmful to the original video game.
>>740588338cry about it, newfag
>>740587738Stealing implies the original was removed.Theft simply means that goods were obtained without permission.
>>740588301It's subhuman jeet mindset>hurrr taking all the free food samples is technically within the rules so its okay to do it is much as I want seee?? there are infinite free samples that keep coming out its the rational thing to do!!Willfully ignoring the proper way to live in a civilized society, trying to justify subhuman third world behavior and pretending to be smug about it. Trash.
>>740588390Stay poor and angry.>>740588454You demanded a product from the marketplace yet didn't complete the market transaction. You stole.
>>740588454>File sharing is not theftCopying and distribution of a paid product without the explicitly permission of the owner is theft by the legal definition.
>>740588597ur mums poor n angry lmoa
>>740588372There is a legal distinction between theft and copyright infringement, what our opinions about it are is irrelevant.
>>740588436How is extending the copyright term from 14 years + 14 years renewal to Lifetime + 95 years 'irrelevant'?
>>740588642Stay dumb, poor, and angry.>>740588651>muh opinions are irrelevantYou don't believe that. If you did you wouldn't be coping and asking AI to help you argue against people smarter than you (Me)
Piracy is only a problem when distributing the copies. Download all you want its perfectly legal
>>740588535>Willfully ignoring the proper way to live in a civilized society, trying to justify subhuman third world behavior and pretending to be smug about it. Trash.thats currently happening in us politics
>>740588496>>740588629>without permissionPermission was granted by the person uploading the file unto the file sharing service. Even the people issuing DMCA take downs have enough sense to send them to the person distributing the copyrighted material. File sharing still isn't theft.
>>740588850>im not being punished for it for now so its okSpoken like a true jeet who takes all the free samples then wonders why the once high trust society is inevitably transformed into an utter shithole
>>740588691If you have to ask then you're just admitting that it is. It has no real impact on actual creators intending to create something new.I'm willing to bet that you have no idea how any IP law works and assume it just allows control over broad concepts like most people, right? But it doesn't work like that, just because Star Wars had Lightsabers doesn't mean Gundam couldn't use beam sabers for example.All it means is that you can't use the exact same idea and it's pretty strict otherwise you'd be seeing people sued left, right and centre.
>>740585607God reserves a special place in Double Heaven for pirates.
>>740586191have a kek
>>740588928>Permission was granted by the person uploading the file unto the file sharing serviceYou're not the owner and neither is the host site, you don't have the legal right to grant permission. That can only come from the rights holder aka the company who made the game. It's still theft by the legal definition.
I buy used physical games, play them, and then sell them for the same price I paid for them, sometimes I even make a profit.Is that better or worse than piracy? Consider now that 3 people have played the same copy of a game the studio only got paid once for.
>>740585548piracy isn't theft it's copyright infringement so thta argument doesn't workhoweverai companies and plenty of legal companies, like AI companies or Nintendo who stole countless bits of music, practice copyright infringement on the daily
>>740589103Downloading from the file sharing service isn't theft. File sharing remains unpunished and legally unenforceable.
>>740589256>Downloading from the file sharing service isn't theft.Again, you're obtaining something without the explicit permission of the rights holder, that's the definition of theft.
>>740589027>If you have to ask then you're just admitting that it is.When a statement is so stupid is defies logic, then asking for clarification is the opposite.>I'm willing to bet that you have no idea how any IP law works and assume it just allows control over broad concepts like most people, right? But it doesn't work like that, just because Star Wars had Lightsabers You lost the bet. Loads of media have laser swords. Besides, lightsabers are trademarked, not copyrighted, an entirely different beast.
>>740586624In Christian theology Jesus is God so it's his IP.
>>740589218>howeverai companies and plenty of legal companies, like AI companies or Nintendo who stole countless bits of music, practice copyright infringement on the dailySampling is theft because it doesn't take the whole thing and remixes it, that falls under fair use.
>>740589306>obtaining something without the explicit permission of the rights holder>that's the definition of theft.Where are you getting that definition from, mind telling?
>>740589179The way I see it, you are at least promoting physical copies of video games.
>copying is theft
>>740589306>that's the definition of theftI didn't even have to go to fishing though dictionaries to find a definition that explicitly says otherwise, google AI just went ahead and did it without prompting.
>>740589482>theft isn't stealing
>>740589306Copyright infringement literally isn't theft
>>740589318>When a statement is so stupid is defies logic, then asking for clarification is the opposite.The problem being that you aren't using any kind of logic or knowledge of the subject matter, you're angry because you don't like the answer.>You lost the bet. Loads of media have laser swordsYes. It's almost as if that's the point I just made by bringing up star wars and gundam which released two years apart but used the same concept of an electronic sword of light energy >lightsabers are trademarkedBecause you can't copyright the idea of a sword of light, it's too broad, again, that's the point that's being made. A trademark covers the name and only the name.You aren't very smart, are you. Not only have you failed to comprehend the argument you tried to act like you won by proving my point while not even attempting to argue how increasing the length has an impact.
>>740585548Thus is a fucking zoomer coded image and it's not the own you think it is
>>740589569>taking all the free samples is allowed under the current policy so its ok!!
>People who watch movies don't give a shit about piracy>People who watch TV don't give a shit about piracy>People who watch anime don't give a shit about piracy>People who play videogames will always scream and complain about piracy
>>740589629You haven't proven your point, though. Just made mistatement after mistatement while strutting around like you won an argument we're not having. Defend your point. Why would our culture be better if, say, the Doyle estate owned the rights to Sherlock Holmes for eternity, and every other media had to use knockoff characters like Sherlock Hemlock or Herlock Sholmes? How is it better if everybody had to pay some organization in England every time they wanted to put on a Shakespeare play, so his hypothetical great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren would never have to work a day in their lives?
>>740589492This is why you don't use AI, it's an aggregate that takes in both correct and false information more often than not resulting in false information. Meanwhile if you look at Merriam-Webster's definition b it doesn't say anything about depriving the owner of it because that's explicitly the act of stealing.
>>740589747But taking free samples is different. If you take a free sample noone else can have it because you took it away.
>>740589492In fact if you look at the others they don't say it either. It's just the act of taking something and keeping it, not depriving.
whats with the anti piracy shill threads popping up in the last few years?after Denuvo got buck broken the threads are even more obvious
>>740588963jeet means victory tho, i guess im a jeet when it comes to piracy
>>740585548i don't care?
>>740589889>with intent to deprive the rightful owner of itWhich doesn't happen with piracy
>>740589963the Why? J___
>>740589492There's also this but I don't know if this represents American law properly.
>>740589950>takingpiracy doesn't take
>>740589835Don't forget about music!, the same people calling you a thieving nigger will proceed to use youtube for copyrighted music
>>740590119>>740590202>Meanwhile if you look at Merriam-Webster's definition bGlad to see you didn't read the entire post. Typical Gen Z arguing tactic, pretend what was said wasn't. Also don't ignore these >>740589950>>740590170
>>740585648You have Disney to thank for that bullshit
>>740589931The principle is the same. That's my point. You're all splitting hairs here asking AI for precise definitions and debating to the bottom while ignoring the broader picture. You take something you want from the market without compensating the ones who provided it. You wont get more of that product you like. The skilled people who made that product will get less work in the industry and leave. Your hobby is impacted negatively.
>>740589963denuvo shills seething bc they can no longer charge people 80 dollars for a single game
>>740589878doyle shouldnt hold the rights to give money to fuckwads who have mixed so much times they might be black; but the rights of a work sohuld belong to the state and the money go to the statei dont see why european sohuld be the cucks of the world and give their work for free for everybody else . why would you invest in a pharaonic project to make great art isf you just give it away forfree ultimately instead of your country? thats just slavery and an insult to the memory of the artists, and making art would become a competitive disadvantage for countriesmeanwhile momnuments generate tourism money for the country that buitl them.
>>740590279remember when steamboat willie entered the public domain and disney tried so fucking hard to stop it from happening? lmao it was so embarassing
>>740589835That's because it's much harder to protect movies, TV, and anime. Imagine willfully being this retarded.
>>740589963Corporate Marketing realized they can't scam people anymore, so instead of investing in making games affordable, accessible, and having quality; they are instead investing in trying to coerce and shame people into buying shit products, which doesn't work because Human nature doesn't react very well to being coerced and manipulated.
>>740589835Allow me to fix this>>People who watch movies don't care that they're stealing and accept it moving from site to site while gatekeeping and protecting their sources>>People who watch TV don't care that they're stealing and accept it moving from site to site while gatekeeping and protecting their sources >>People who watch anime don't care that they're stealing and accept it moving from site to site while gatekeeping and protecting their sources>>People who play videogames will always scream and complain about how it isn't theft everywhere getting site after site taken down because they think it's okay
Never thought I'd see the day people here would whine about piracy, zoomers truly are the stupidest most kike-brainwashed dipshits ever although they barely have enough brains to wash.
>>740586878Aces!
>>740590387>Bloodlines 2wait this actually released? I thought it was cancelled two separate times
>>740590023>i guessI know you're a jeet.>>740590387No one itt has been telling you to buy products you don't like. Nice strawman.
the only "people" that are butthurt about piracy are Tendies and Japsthose 2 groups of people are mentally ill
>>740587342Based.
>>740589878>Defend your pointI did, you haven't made a counter-argument in fact you still haven't becshse there's nothing preventing people from making new plays and new characters with the same themes.
>>740589963>Denuvo out of nowhereAnother high quality strawman.
>>740590459oy veyhow it the weather in Tel Aviv today?
>>740589878>Why would our culture be better if, say, the Doyle estate owned the rights to Sherlock Holmes for eternity, and every other media had to use knockoff characters like Sherlock Hemlock or Herlock Sholmes?NTA but the the act of creating in general adds more to our culture than simply rehashing the same things over and over again.
>>740590553I accept your concession.
>>740590606and i denounce your Talmud
>>740585607the Israelites pirated mana
>>740590459>No one itt has been telling you to buy products you don't like. Nice strawman.Of course, you don't say it outright, you have to manipulate and insinuate wording like marketing departments do and lawyers do. Be dodgy, only do implications, exploit and manipulate, be abstract with wording, push meanings indirectly, and leave a way out for yourself via semantic bullshitting like you do here like a sniveling worm.This, is also something the people have taken notice of. You can't say anything honestly or directly for legal reasons, so you have to dance around it because the Public Relations Department breathes down your neck. It's natural, we completely understand.
>>740585548Intellectual property is not real property, and pirating isn't stealing.Repeal copyright and patent laws. All of them.
>>740585548>buy a game at the store>make a copy of my game and give it to my friend>some rich faggot politician says it's illegal so now suddenly it isi don't think so gay nigger
>>740590427It's always someone who's anti-piracy that brings up the stealing or not stealing topic, just look at this thread's op
in the last 3 weeks i have played RE9 and Stellar Blade for FREEi literally spend 0$ how does that make you feel Jew?
>>740590654That's great. When are you going to address the argument, thief?>>740590683>more strawman babbling
>>740588261>there are no objective laws in nature therefore you must be ok with dyingnot the smartest nigger in the thread, but then again, how smart can a low iq retard advocating for IP "rights" be? lmao
>>740590752You're saying look at op but nothing is saying he doesn't pirate.
ITT FOSS doesn't work and using non-paid linux (or BSD) is stealing because you took it for free yet it has value.
>>740590819piracy doesnt take, therefore it isn't theft nor stealing
>>740590875>>there are no objective laws in nature therefore you must be ok with dyingThe only law in nature is survival of the fittest. Morals aren't real either so you're justifying culling of the weak such as yourself.
>>740587736if bikes have infinite supply then they arent worth 79$. its your fault for trying to sell it at that price.
>>740590948Piracy does take, it doesn't deprive.
>>740590992>The only law in nature is survival of the fittest. Morals aren't real eitheryes jamal, that is what i said. good job, you can read a sentence and barely understand what my position is.
>>740590819>>more strawman babblingCan't kill the messenger or make the message go away, so you gotta find ways to discredit it. Another workaround of marketing departments is to spin and twist shit games into looking good, see for instance EA Marketing discounting criticisms of Mass Effect 3 gameplay and writing turning to shit by calling them all homophobes. So it's not that the game is shit, it's just that all criticisms are homophobic and the game is actually good because it does a service to the LGBT as that alone stands as a quality in itself.Naturally, more word and perception manipulation that you can't outright admit so you have to dance around it. Well known behaviour now, people are used to it.
>>740585548Leftists think the government is their dad and they can just throw tantrums like that.Then get thrown to jail and go "wah woh woh??? I'm literally being genozided right now!!! friii friii palestine"
>>740590786That just means you were never going to buy them no matter what because you can't afford it>0$Point proven>>740590948See >>740590282
>>740591057It's almost as if you don't have a position, you only have a poorly thought out justification which doesn't work.
>>740591065>he did it againPoint out itt where people are arguing for you to buy games you don't like.
>>740591129>nuh huhoof, sorry jamal but thats not an argument. IP rights still arent real and piracy is not stealing.
>>740586064Copyright isn't a right, it's a license provided by the state that congress can provide for limited times exclusively to inventors as long as it is in the service of science and progress (all of these are being disregarded). It also violates the 1st and 14th amendments, because it abridges freedom of speech and it effectively means that not everyone has access to the same rights granted to every American citizen if they can't contest court cases for frivolous shit.>>740586109Then don't publish it to the entire world.
>>740591065The hate Mass Effect 3 got steemed from EA's aquisition. Everyone fucking hated that company's gutts at the time.It's also the reason why you barelly even hear a word about those guys nowadays. They're very shy now. Gamers made that company silent.
>>740589835the people screaming and complaining about piracy do not play videogames, they are frogposting niggerkikes like OP.
>>740589835>Posting NikkeThe gooks found a way to squeeze every penny out of you.
>>740586109>Why do people feel entitled to digital property?Answer: because it's easy to pirate digital media since they were a kid so they are conditioned to thinking it's okay. It's not as easy to steal physical property so they think there's some fundamental difference when there really isn't.
>>740591170You can't directly say it, you have to dance around it and be manipulative because Public Relations doesn't allow you to be direct. That's what salesmen do. It's cute though.
>>740591282infinite supply = 0 monetary valuesorry.
I'm so disappointed this isn't one of the first replies in this thread
>>740591282>digital property>virtually infinite supply>physical property>limited supplyI guess all digital property should be worth a few cents at most
>>740591249>brownoids pretending to be moral christians to justify piracyMy sides.>>740591320I accept your concession>>740591335That's not how it works underage retard. You want it, so there is value.
>>740591390>You want it, so there is valuepeople want air too.kek, try again low iq retard.
>>740591000But anon, i don't sell bikesAnd even if i did i would be happy that the total happiness of the world improved because someone pirated them from me
>>740591362There is virtually unlimited supply of food since it keeps coming out of the ground. I guess it's okay to steal it in your third world brain.
>>740591420Clean air has value. Have you never installed ducts, filters, and motors in your favela?
>>740591430>But anon, i don't sell bikes>but i did have breakfast.>And even if i did i would be happy that the total happiness of the world improved because someone pirated them from meso then you contradicted with the image you posted about the sad seller.
>>740591390>I accept your concessionI accept your losses.>>740586109>Why do people feel entitled to digital property?Same reason why digital property doesn't get a place in economic ledgers alongside traditional economic goods, and has to have its own special lower tier category with way lower protections. Because it's abstract, irrelevant, and also argued as quasi-money-laundering since it artificially promotes inflation.
>>740585548piracy is not stealingyou can't steal video games, you only make copies
>>740591485i dont live in india or china so i can open a window, low iq retard.
>>740585548If a wizard buys a loaf of bread from you and then creates a duplicate of it to give to his friend does that count as stealing?
>>740586109Why does 'entitlement' have to enter itI see a rock on the ground, I want it, I pick it upDoesn't mean I feel 'entitled' to it, I just wanted it and saw no reason to not have it
>>740591449>It just comes out of the ground automatically at an infinite ratelmao, they aren't sending their best today
>>740585607what about usury
>>740591548>still holding onto his strawman because he can't address any actual arguments itt>>740591569You don't have any ducts, air filters, or exhaust/make-up air motors in your home. You're in some shithole that doesn't matter. This is a first world website and so my arguments are addressed to first world posters. Dumbass.
>>740585548it was never stealing to begin with "tho"
>>740585874dude is still living in 2023
>>740591698It may as well be "virtually infinite" as you can't eat all of it. Or maybe you can? Either way your line of reasoning is retarded, which is why you seem to like it.
>>740591751>You don't have any ducts, air filters, or exhaust/make-up air motors in your homeyeah, because i can just open a window and get clean air in, jamal, kek, what a retard. i accept your concession.infinite supply = 0 monetary value.
>>740591751If you didnt live in a shithole you wouldn't need to filter the air, it would just be clean, how dumb are you? Average anti-piracy shill everyone. Brutal.
>>740591515Yes, for i am not the seller.
>>740591751>>still holding onto his strawman because he can't address any actual arguments ittWhat arguments?Digital Goods proponents could never get the IMF to categorize them alongside traditional economic goods for better protections.You faggots shot yourselves in the brain with NFTs, now you're stuck trying to convince people to buy shit games without being able to say it outright. Most hilarious salesmen and marketers. That brain wound has made you delirious. Anyway, keep losing.
>>740591912>but i did have breakfast
>>740585548who owns a video game in its platonic form?
>>740591282>Stores and companies don't give out free samplesDigital media has negligible cost associated with creating with a copy and comes at no cost to the developer.If the game is good, then someone who would have never bought the game is talking about it, recommending it, considering buying it and looking into other games made by the same company. It is marketing.The only people upset about piracy are making bad products and aren't offering convenient ways to buy them at pricepoints that don't make the average person balk. They're not even upset about piracy, it's just a convenient scapegoat, because they're not selling enough games to anyone and there's just a normal amount of pirates that they can say are "lost sales".
>>740591825>being this proud of living in the third worldStrange.You want it, it has value. End of story, dumbass.>>740591909>what is pollen and dustDid sri lanka just wake up or something? What is with all these angry poorfag responses to my posts?>>740591954>stuck trying to convince people to buy shit gamesAgain, point out itt where anyone has argued for this.Also, I'm winning, which is why all the low IQ posters like you are angry at me.
>>740590250Don't get your panties in a knot, it's a busy morning and I'm not staring at the computer.>>740589889>piracy isn't embezzlement>piracy isn't burglarySo piracy isn't theft>>740589950>definition B2so the very bottom, least common definition>takingMaking a copy isn't the same as taking>>740590170>personal propertySo not piracy from corporations
>>740592172>You want it, it has valueyes, just not monetary value, kek. i accept your final concession little retard.
>>740592216>it's not worth money because I say so!Spoken like a true retard. Also, I'm the only one here who can intelligently accept concessions. Stay mad.
>>740592267>strawmanoof, he mad now.i said it has no monetary value because it has infinite supply. now try refuting this again without crying this time little retard.
>>740585548>run a bicycle shop>make good bicycles and sell enough of them to make a living>one day some odd looking guy comes into your shop and scans your best bicyle model with a weird scanner device>this device then recreates and duplicates that bicycle out of thin air, now there are two identical bicycles>he gets on the copied bicycle, says "don't worry i didn't steal your bicycle, you still have the original so you didn't lose anything" and winks at you before riding off>word gets around town that the weird guy is handing out bicycles for free so now everyone gets a bike from him and nobody needs to buy it>your profit drops, only the elderly and the uninformed still buy your bicycles>complain to a friend about how stupid this is>friend spits in your face and calls you an anti-consumer villain, repeats that technically no bikes were stolen from the shop so there's no reason to complain
>>740592172>Also, I'm winningWinning what? Losses to economic terrorists and NFT's making your position nonexistent?Hey, if this is winning for you, then it's winning for me too. Keep winning kid. This thread is meanwhile full of people pirating shit and you can't do anything about it or stop them. lmao
>>740585874What's been twisted is the definition of "Intellectual Property" and it's been done in the name of preventing big tech companies from facing legitimate competition. Because IP now covers basically whatever Google and Meta want it to, Copyright laws can be used by them arbitrarily to silence any competitor.
Piracy isn't stealing, but how would you feel if you know some jackass with a savvy idea could duplicate your product and make you lose potential customers because of that same jackass? something like this don't happen in food industry, book industry, car industry etc. because it costing resources to duplicate those and the "jackass" would need to recoup some lost resources that he poured in to duplicate so now it's looping to jackass becoming (You) who sells that product in the first place.this would never happen in digital platform, of course.
>>740592064It absolutely comes at a cost. If you don't support the thing you like that cost (a lot of) money to make then you get less of it. Why is such a simple concept so hard to understand? You do not live in a vacuum.
>>740586624Pirates… did our yukiko-tier, air-tight argument just get rebut?
>>740590591But Sherlock Hemlock or Herlock Sholmes are rehashes. It only really adds to the culture when it evolves to become it's own thing. (i.e. both TMNT and the Tick started off as parody's of Frank Miller's famous Daredevil run, but 40 years later both have evolved way past that.)
>>740592341>make you lose potential customers because of that same jackassthis was proven false in the study they buried. piracy either has no effect on sales or it increases them in case of games, try again.
>>740592341Do you live in a bubble? Trends propagate through the food industry like forest fires as everyone steals from one another and copies each others homework, trying to undercut and steal market share from each other.You cannot sell a successful product in the food or restaurant service industry without an imitator IMMEDIATELY appearing and undercutting you.
>>740592307You don't know what a strawman is. You're just copy-pasting words in my posts because they make you mad. Again, you want it, it has value. Now pay for it or stay mad with your third world mindset.
>>740585548If piracy is theft then why does youtube still exist?
>>740587107><Actually it does result in tangible economic damageNo it doesn't. There's nothing tangible about a preserved loss. You're not taking anything physical. Do you even know what tangible means?
>>740592331I'm winning the discussion, obviously. 4chan is a forum. It's for discussion. When you lose, you lash out like you're doing now. Welcome btw :)
piracy is theft? im literally stealing from the billionaires?that fucking awesome
>>740585548I do find this phrase cringe. A piratechad like me pirates because he likes free shit not to larp as robin hood
>>740586398they literally call out nintendo and say "what are you gonna do?" and then get shocked when nintendo sends a C&D.
>>740592494>nuh huhkek, you really are low iq retard who cant provide proof for his argument to save his life.>you want it, it has valueprice is set by supply and demand, if the supply is infinite then all demand can be satisfied and there is no price, jamal.
>>740592502Another low IQ poster enters the thread. Youtube exists because they make money. I'll let you research or get spoonfed research by AI to find out how.
>>740586398yes we do that to mock the paypigs, its fun and makes them really madknowing that a Tendies is fuming because im emulating his $70 game puts a smile on my face
>>740590334>why would you invest in a pharaonic project to make great art isf you just give it away forfree ultimately instead of your country?Aren't those pharaonic projects the very monuments you mention at the end of your post?Sherlock Holmes wasn't created by some grand plan of Queen Victoria or the British government - it was created by a man putting pen to paper. And piracy, obviously, isn't limited to only pirating Western games.
>>740586398Copyright infringement is not theft.
>>740585548It's actually been the stance of the US government that piracy isn't stealing for a while, literally because of this. It's merely unauthorized use, and purely a civil matter. Piracy literally isn't stealing under the eyes of the law, and hasn't been for almost 50 years. You guys are behind the times.
>>740592321>only the elderly and uninformed buy your bicyclesso, only the elderly and uninformed buy pirateable games?
companies don't justify their attempts to squeeze you out of every fucking pennywhy should i justify my piracy as if I owe these fucking retards an explanation?
are these jew bots really trying to moralfag on /v/? calling me a jeet and 3rd worlder wont make me stop pirating btwyou will try to find another way
>>740592694>I can sneak into the movie theater if seats are empty, therefore tickets have no price.Exactly like I said this whole thread, a pure 100% trash third world mindset.
>>740592903movie theater has limited seats, try again, low iq jamal.
>>740592840>if the law lets me get away with it for now it's okSomeone is below the required IQ line.
quick reminder, the creator of these famous anti-piracy ads actually pirated the music used in them
>>740592962Still not stealing legally or by definition. Cry about it.
>>740592903>>740592928and even in the case there were empty steats someone has to clean up after you anyway.and btw, not sure if you knew this jamal, but movies can be viewed for free at home, so analogy doesnt work in any scenario.
>>740585548>frogdogshit thread
>>740585548>If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealingfunny how the people who say this usually turn around and throw a trantrum when AI scans their art.
>>740592928>>740593032Limited seats wasn’t the point. The point is “easy to steal” doesn’t mean “no value”. vidya may have low copy cost but not zero value. If you do think they have zero value then you wouldn't be here on /v/. Dumbass.>>740593030>I can still act like a nigger and be proud of it!You can't actually. It's why you're coping here and holding onto weak justifications.
>>740592551>I'm winning the discussionWhat discussion?IMF doesn't give traditional protections to Digital Goods, and game piracy is more active and unregulated than ever before.Discussions are pointless when the results and real life execution are not in your favour. Just keep winning by losing I guess.
>>740593150this poster is unironically based
>>740593150>zero valueequivocation fallacy.i said m o n e t a r y value, low iq jamal. games have many values, just not a monetary one. since they have infinite supply, therefore all demand for its copies can be satisfied.
>>740592341I'd consider that fraud if it's particularly egregious. It's not like this doesn't already happen in the larger industry and on poorly regulated storefronts like the Nintendo eshop.>>740592390The "support what you want to have made" argument pretty much limits itself to very small development teams without a real publisher and some consistency.It doesn't have any relevancy for large publishers, one-offs and games that are older than maybe 5-8 years.>>740592502They're owned by a major ad company and software that regularly violates anti-trust, so they can contest frivolous DMCA shit that regularly fucks with other video hosting.>>740593018Quick reminder that Nintendo committed piracy when they modded Donkey Kong into Donkey Kong jr. using assets owned by Ikegami. This was settled out of court with an unknown deal.
>>740593018well yeah boomers/genx have always crucified others for the shit they're profiting from. piracy around Y2K was attacked on a case-by-case basis anytime some music industry or hollywood jew had a tantrum. the people actually making the antipiracy videos didn't give a fuck about pirating, they probably played a shared copy of DOOM or Starcraft between gigs
i pirate because companies are treating me like their ATMi used to buy all my games back in the 00s,but after the new DLC and season pass bullshits i really dont care anymore, i will just pirate your game
>>740593152>life can't change through discussionThen why are you here? Why are you angry? It's because my words and principles cannot be refuted. So, you lash out on a discussion forum, like a loser.
>>740593202The one that thinks things should have value because he believes they do? Very trans-coded...
>rent a car>actually I don't own so I can steal itYou own it for a certain amount of time, retards can't think beyond binary
>>740593150Your morality is dictated by shady corporations and entities that literally do not care that you exist or if you die. You are literally lower than a cotton picking plantation slave.
>>740586064
>>740586191Modern day conservatives would accuse Jesus Christ of being a demon performing false miracles for the things he did.And don't get me started on how they'd react to him driving the money changers out of the temple with a whip.
>>740593150The advertising that pirates do by talking about the game has value.The free sample of the pirated game is an ad for the company and the game.People like to say that adblocking is theft all the time, so advertising and sitting through advertisements clearly has value.
>>740593321car supply is limited, try again, retard.
>>740593290racist.
>>740593018>rules for thee, not for meA take of corruption old as time.What's next, punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty? Oh wait, that happens too.
>>740593018these ads kick ass thoughit's like the THX logo music
>>740593248>games dont have monetary valueNo one believes you btw.Also, I don't know why someone who has already admitted to living in a ductless, filterless, motorless hut is so dedicated to calling me "jamal". Lol.>>740593259>pretty much limits itselfNo it doesn't. It's a basic principle of the first world. You like a product you support it. Simple as that.>>740593325My morality is dictated by myself and doesn't hinge on weak internet memes like "muh piracy isnt theft technicully yuhhh". It's why I can singlehandedly btfo this entire thread of angry retards. >>740593378I agree word of mouth has value. But you dont get to unilaterally pay through exposure. If they want to give out a free sample for exposure then they can release a demo, trial, free weekend, whatever. >b-but i a-advertised it!Isn’t an economic argument, it’s cope.
>>740592445>chose not to publishMore like relentlessly bribed "(oops, I mean "lobbied", sorry Mossad) into not publishing it.
>>740591073counterpoint: I am immortal
>>740593674You didn't btfo anything. Copyright infringement and theft are literally two entirely separate things.
>>740593972>let me keep splitting hairs to miss the actual point so I can keep acting like a nigger!No.
>>740591548Not buying a game is a form of economic terrorism and should be charged in a court of law appropriately.
>>740586191Based
If I pirate a game a million times will I be able to bankrupt a company?
>>740593674>No one believes you btw.ad populum logical fallacy>no responseoof, i accept your final concession now that your final analogy failed too.
>>740594170Give it a try anon.
>>740593298>Then why are you here?To laugh at your incompetence.>Why are you angry?I'm pirating shit right now and nobody can stop me, why would I be angry?>my words and principles cannot be refutedIMF is refuting them just fine, you just can't handle an actual world authority refuting you so you're venting on an imageboard at average Joes who you can't control in what they can or cannot do, seething about it.Interesting wordplay though on your part. Didn't quite work out. Keep losing.
>>740586191Money changers been real quiet since this one dropped
>>740593674>It's why I can singlehandedly btfo this entire thread of angry retards.You never proved your position, you just stated that it's true. And this guy raped you every step of the way, especially when you didn't know the difference between sentimental value and monetary value:>>740593248
IDF are mobilising.
>>740594078Too bad it won't be because the international law can't acomodate national rivalry and people pirating irrelevant shit made by dumb foreigners. Womp Womp. 26 years and counting since anti-piracy can't do shit and IMF shits on it.
who the fuck would defend corporations ever?it brings no fucking benefit to the consumer whatsoever
>>740594175The only thing that failed was your "air is free" post which got btfo so badly you got assmad for the rest of the thread. Lmao. You want something? Pay for it. Like in the first world.>>740594256You're not laughing. You're seething. Anyone can see that. >I'm pirating shit right now and nobody can stop me, why would I be angry?Probably because you're lying to yourself. That usually results in mental illness. Honesty is better. >>740594358Nobody itt sentimental value with monetary value. You confused near zero copy cost with zero market price. Who do you think you're fooling?
This further proves SKG is just a smokescreen for justifying piracy.
>>740594018If you're trying to make a moral appeal, you are just dumb. If some retard magically put a copyright on breathing oxygen you are literally the dumb type of bootlicker to suffocate.
>>740594721>Nobody itt sentimental value with monetary value. You confused near zero copy cost with zero market price. Who do you think you're fooling?You still didn't prove anything, you are just saying what you believe. Embarrassing.
>>740594742nice try
>>740594742LolQuite the fucking oppositeI wish SKG was as based like that and went after copyright laws so the community can keep the games runningInstead SKG just piles regulations on top of the regulations that caused this issue in the first place
>>740594721>The only thing that failed was your "air is free" post which got btfo so badly you got assmad for the rest of the thread. Lmao. You want something? Pay for it. Like in the first world.lilbro is so mindraped by me and from bootlicking for corpos he had to adopt a position to say that air isnt and shouldnt be free. i finally rest my case.
>>740585548Pirates a niggers but this is true - if publishers want to act like jews, they deserve pirate-niggers.
>>740594801What do I have to prove? That if I want something I should pay for it? You want me to prove that? I even had a literal retard suggest that "patronage" aka early access and live service was the best format for selling vidya. No one has refuted anything I said. It's all screeching and strawmanning.
>>740594742Nothing to justify, if anything, its morally correct for products that easily have infinite supply to be experienced and a copy of it to be owned by everyone. Artificially limiting something to increase its price in order to get money from people is morally bad.
>>740594761Another strawman. You can breathe air. If you want cleaner air without pollen/dust/etc like in first world homes, hospitals, labs then you can pay extra for it.>>740594901See above, then stay poor and mad. I can tell you want to run away. No one is stopping you.
>>740592962>Piracy is stealing>No it's not, and never has been. >It's still stealing your low IQ for referencing case law!As other anons have pointed out Jesus pirated stuff, as did Moses (Well, it was God but that's like Theology 101, and you're not ready for that.) Creating exact duplicates simply isn't stealing. In nations with the hardest laws prohibiting this stuff they only attack people for unlicensed distribution, but Singapore throws people in prison for a lemonade stand if you don't pay your bribes so they're hardly a just counterexample.
>>740593395limit dosen't matter, you still failed to address your stealing. There is a limit to how many copies of a game can be given out , it's tied to the physical limit of storage on all of earth.Swing and a miss buddy
>>740587064No, this frog is just the perfect expression of unapologetic narcissism.
>>740595026>What do I have to prove? That if I want something I should pay for it? You want me to prove that?Correct, if you have something that has infinite supply that everyone is getting for free, you have to prove why you want that thing to now be artificially limited by corporations so they can earn more money.
>>740595078>Artificially limiting something to increase its price in order to get money from people is morally bad.This is why I don't believe in museums.
>>740595151>Jesus pirated stuffYou're equating a religious story of someone giving out food to the hungry to piracy, which is just a bunch of dishonest fags who want free games. This is just pure desperation.If you take something you want without paying this is stealing. You can split the hairs all you want but you know what I'm saying is true which is why you keep retreating to technicalities.
>>740595203>There is a limit to how many copies of a game can be given out , it's tied to the physical limit of storage on all of earth.reductio ad absurdum fallacy. making redundant copies beyond the demand would have no point. and all the demand that IS there from the people can be satisfied easily with current storage.so>Swing and a miss buddytry again
>>740595221You can't perfectly clone physical artifacts in museums like you can digital games.
>>740595213It's been explained countless times. If you don't support the product you like that took risk and capital to make, then you get less of it. Your hobby suffers. Feel free to try and refute this.
>>740595551you are so fucking right anon, i just preordered 7 games, we MUST keep the industry healthywe are the better men
>>740595551>you get less of itGood. Quality over quantity. Only the people that want to create a video game because of their passion is better than greedy corporations making games.
>>740594870The regulations are necessary, because we have effectively reached peak "We're only selling you a license", which was a journey we started in the 80s when retards who did not consider the implications made software into a thing that can be copyrighted.There needs to be a protection against companies sunsetting the service of the software that you paid for, something that is already happening to:>Professional software with so-called "lifetime licenses">Various professional software that has been bought out by companies such as Autodesk for the express purpose of being discontinued, such as Softimage>Smarthome appliances>Implanted medical equipment lmao>GamesIt's not necessarily as bad when they are actually treating their abandonware as abandonware and not litigating against mods and aftermarket stuff, but it does still necessitate hacking together aftermarket support. And obviously preservation and development of aftermarket support can't just start once something is abandonware, it has to actually start as soon as possible.
>pay 80 dollars plus tip to play game>company later revokes it, no refunds>"um, should've read the TOS, chud ;)))))">pirate the game back and continue to enjoy it>"NOOOOO OH MY SCIENCE, IT'S ANUDDAH SHOAH"
>>740595640>reductio ad absurdumI accept your concession.>>740595670Which is my argument this entire time. If you like games then you support the ones you like. The entire thread has attacked me for suggesting this and has even strawmanned that I am secretly trying to trick people into buying games they dont like. This is why reading comprehension is very important.
>>740595551I've never bought a single team pvp or extraction shooter yet they still get tends of millions pumped into them to be made - how come there aren't less of these being made then huh?
>>740585548yeah it's retarded logic. if renting my house isn't owning then not paying my rent isn't stealing
>>740595751Abandonwate is not a thing, thief.
>>740595779When has this ever happened to you?>>740595821You probably don't buy make-up. Yet, there's a multi billion dollar industry around it. Can you figure out how that could possibly be???
>>740585548>almost 50 years of open piracy later>the video game industry is bigger than ever and still growingI'm not sure how this works exactly but the evidence says that piracy has contributed enormously to the industry and game devs should be thankful to me for stealing all their shit.
>>740595751>The regulations are necessary, because we have effectively reached peak "We're only selling you a license"This is an issue created by copyright regulations in the first fucking place anonYou are fixing the fire by throwing more gasoline on it
>>740595784>Which is my argument this entire timeNo, you are anti-piracy and have just argued that people shouldn't pirate because if they want something they should have to pay. But we have just concluded that they shouldn't have to pay, because games will be made all the same, except without monetary motivation and instead out of passion. Therefore piracy is fine.
>>740595910>when has this ever happenedWarcraft 3. People who connected it online would find that Blizzard made their copies unusable, unless they buy the HD remaster.
>>740595427>You're equating a story about someone duplicating an item, with a story about someone duplicating an item. So I can't make legal arguments, I can't make ethical arguments, and I can't make theological arguments unless...>>740595203Oh I see. You're a Muslim. Well don't worry, it's no crime to steal from the Kaffar, so basically all piracy is permissible under Islam even under your strict definition of unlicensed copies as stealing. Hypothetically if a Muslim ever produces a game, we would have to adjust this, but that's not really a concern.
>>740596063nta but you sound like those fuckin commies trying to say shoplifting is good
>>740596172Genetic logical fallacy.
>>740585548No it's not.It's copyright infringement
>>740594721>You're seething.At what? You not being able to convince the IMF with your antics?>Probably because you're lying to yourself.My qbittorrent is going brrr and you can't do anything about it. My country doesn't give a shit about it either because it's shit made by filthy foreigners. What is being lied about exactly here? Seethe more please.
>>740596172no they don't
Reminder: if you buy a game legally, and then make a backup copy of it for personal use, the company considers that an illegal, stolen copy, and treats it no differently then if you downloaded it from the internet.Tell me, how do you steal your own copy of a game?
I pirate because I like free games and I'm unemployed
>>740596172Seems like you need this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4
>>740596063>we have just concludedad populum logical fallacy>games will be made all the same, except without monetary motivation and instead out of passionDelusional. You are literally here right now arguing for unrestricted piracy out of monetary motivation.>>740596131You can make all the arguments you want. Just don't be surprised when they get taken apart because they're shit arguments.>>740596172It's probably the same retard who tried to push the "games don't have monetary value" angle this thread as if anyone would actually buy that.
>>740596464>as if anyone would actually buy that.The IMF does, which is why digital goods don't get a traditional good category on economic ledgers.Why are you mad bro?
>>740596369Nice thread derailment topic.>>740596293>im p-pirating so many games!!!>he says while stuck itt and angryNice try.
>>740596464>You're low IQ for quoting case law>It's ok to duplicate food not video games>That's a bad argumentIs that a good argument over there, or are you pretending to be stupid as a joke?
>>740592762see >>740592670going around like that is just retarded, just pirate and keep your mouth shut. You are only hurting yourself and nobody cares if you own le ebin tendie fanboys on twatter
who, in their right mind, would EVER defend a corporation?i know shills exist but I really don't get why anyone else would argue that piracy is bad when it has been shown time and time again that corps will squeeze you out of your life and shove ads up your asshole if given the chance
>>740596585>nice thread derailment topicNot an argument. If you value IP law and copyright so much, then you should be able to explain why it's morally wrong to make backups of a game you bought.
>>740596545>I care about the IMF when it suits meStill don't believe you.Like I said before, retreating to technicalities because you don't want to admit the truth for some reason.>>740596627>brings up retarded arguments and gets mad when called outIf you want something should you pay for it? This is simple yes or no question
>>740596293Most people don't have the technical capability to pirate, a good portion of the population actually can't even use folders.Which that anyone with one grain of brain would immediately understand that ruining the games for your legit buyers to "combat piracy" is just losing money.However, this is not fighting piracy, it's fighting legit consumers, the dream of just turning the switch off a game, to force everyone to buy the remake.For example say you have this D game that is very popular, and this M game that is fucking dead. you could switch off the D game, so people are forced to play the M game instead.
>>740596750>why it's morally wrong to make backups of a game you boughtI never argued that. Nice strawman follow up.
Off topic but which one is better? qbitorrent or Tixati?
>>740596464>ad populum logical fallacyYou don't seem to know basic fallacies. I never said something is true because a group of people said it's true. I proved that piracy is OK because at worst it means less games by greedy corpos while the games will continue to be made by people who aren't motivated by greed, therefore piracy is OK.>You are literally here right now arguing for unrestricted piracy out of monetary motivationI "literally" never said anything like that, and argued the opposite. I'm arguing that piracy is OK because it has infinite supply and therefore practically the monetary motivation doesn't need to exist at all. People can make games because they want to. You are arguing that people NEED to pay. Which is a monetary motivation.
>>740585548https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xKjHHzLUQQ&t=496s
>>740596848But you said it in the OP. ALL forms of piracy are theft. You didn't make any distinctions or exemptions.
>>740596721nope sorry, i will still brag how i pirate Nintendo games and you will still be mad
>>740596730>who, in their right mind, would EVER defend a corporation?emotional mentally raped retards who are too ugly inside and out that see a corpo like a parent. the fans like their family. because the corpos have presented themselves like so to farm those people who dont feel like they belong anywhere, thats why they feel a sense of identity and community belonging if they onions over a corpo, and why they see it as a personal attack if someone criticizes a game or corpo, its like attacking their family.
>>740596730>who, in their right mind, would EVER defend a corporation?bots form Tel Aviv, there are literal 2 in this thread replying to every post
>>740596585>Nice try.I accept your losses.>>740596802>Still don't believe you.Oh, so you're uninformed about the topic and IMF stance, yet you're still opening your mouth.Truly, NFT fags are the most braindead population on Earth.OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
>>740585607>renounce piracy and except jesus as my lord and saviour on my deathbedCheckmate, beelzebub
if i OWN the game why can't i make a copy of it and give it to my friend?
>>740596802Do you know that calling someone stupid isn't a refutation of their points? You have to actually pose some fact, or challenge to my reasoning.It would look something like "Just because Jesus did something once doesn't mean it's justified in all cases. Jesus was also whipping people but you aren't advocating we whip people."Now you could say after that some sort of insult, but you're skipping the argumentation part.
>>740596969>taking free samples is OK because at worst it means less food by big corpos while food will continue to be grown by people who aren't motivated by greed!! YAY!!!Naive. The quantity and quality of games you like will never be produced by creative passion alone. Go name the games you like that were given out for free with no monetary motivation. The thread is waiting.Also the peak irony in calling corpos greedy when the fundamental reason behind your piracy behavior is because you want more money. You also live in a society that runs on money. People fund games because they want to but also for money. You wish you live in a utopian fantasy world because you don't have money but you don't. Time to wake up.>>740597064I'm not OP>>740597191You're the only one seething about IMF and NFT. Answer this question: should you pay for something you want?
>>740597342Did you know that you're equating a religious story of someone giving out food (basic need) to the hungry to piracy, which is just a bunch of dishonest fags who want free video games.
>>740597532so you are saying that pirating food is ok but pirating games is not?
Piracy would be much less of a problem for companies if said companies just behaved and respected digital customers like any other customer.It’s that simple, and Gaben knew this when making Steam.
>>740597586I'm saying you're equating a religious story of someone giving out food (basic need) to the hungry to piracy, which is just a bunch of dishonest fags who want free video games.
>>740597628so pirating food is ok?
>>740597532>>740597628>piracy, which is just a bunch of dishonest fags who want free video games.There you go again, making stupid assumptions. When I legally buy a game, and break the DRM to enjoy it without the company's consent, it's still considered piracy.Why is it okay for a company to steal my game by shutting it down, but it's wrong to pirate it back?
>oh no, three people are pirating our game>time to implement a feature that just happens to allow us to disable the game at will for the paying customers.. just in case
>>740597416>You're the only one seething about IMF and NFT.You're seething about them, I'm with them against your narrative.>should you pay for something you want?Only if it's made by my countrymen and I like the product. Now you answer this question:How are you going to compel me to pay filthy foreigners for shit games if after 26 years you still can't convince the IMF to punish me, and treat digital goods like traditional goods? Because that's how long you've been losing this debate in the court of international law.
>>740597780How TF did he find a way to look even eviler?
>>740597692sure but that isn't possible
>>740596887Tixati, though iirc private trackers hate it as it allows (or allowed) for ratio spoofing.
>>740597532So you're merely asserting that stealing houses, food, wives, clothing, and weapons is fine, but stealing video games isn't, or do you not extend this logic to actually going to someone's house with a 45, and attempting to force them out to take shelter, a basic need.
>>740597886Monsanto begs to differ.
>>740597692Did I say it's ok?>>740597725There you go again, moving the goalpost. You can't answer a basic question "should I pay for something I want?" because you realized you can't defend piracy generally so you retreated to your edge case.>>740597832>Only ifSo you're a thief in certain situations. That's all I needed to hear. Honesty.
>>740597984>So you're a thief in certain situations.A legal thief yes, also known as normal person.So, what are you gonna do about it? You've been losing this debate for 26 years btw.
>>740597692YesOf fucking courseIf we had the power to infinitely multiply food you can bet your ass we would, it would be one of the most revolutionary advancements ever made by humanity
>>740597984>You can't answer a basic question "should I pay for something I want?"Yes, I should pay for something I want.That's why I defend moral piracy, where you use it as a tool to get something you paid for, and protect it from corporate overreach.you're the one trying to argue that all piracy is bad no matter the context.
>>740597945False equivalence. A need doesn't automatically mean you can justify theft or violence. Well maybe it's different in your monkey world. Also, the point is giving food to the needy is morally different from stealing luxury entertainment. Also, in the Jesus story, nobody is being robbed at gunpoint. Dumbass.
>>740598169so its ok to steal from farmers?
>>740598235infinitely replicating food =/= stealing from farmers
>>740585874The DMCA in 2000 added some bullshit about how circumventing DRM is illegal. You used to be able to make copies for friends and be 100% clear legally as long as you weren't selling the copies.
>>740598309what do you mean replicating? you have to copy the food that is already being madepiracy is copying not replication
>>740598235No, of course its not ok to steal from farmersIt's ok to COPY from farmers is what I said.
>>740597416>>taking free samples is OK because at worst it means less food by big corpos while food will continue to be grown by people who aren't motivated by greed!! YAY!!!Notice how you have to keep making false analogies where the product in question doesn't have infinite supply because you can't refute the actual thing being argued which are digital games which have infinite supply which influences it's price? Telling.>Go name the games you like that were given out for free with no monetary motivationA developer isn't and shouldn't be forbidden from wanting to take donations or money from people that WANT to give it. This argument is around should people be REQUIRED to give him money. And they shouldn't.>when the fundamental reason behind your piracy behavior is because you want more moneyNever said anything akin to this, and argued the opposite. You needing to make up slander at my personal character at this point in the argument shows perfectly that your position was weak all along.>People fund games because they want to but also for moneyAnd that's fine. People should fund as many games as they want. I am arguing that they aren't REQUIRED to do so and that they can freely pirate. You seem to be a little slow and can't follow a basic conversation.>You wish you live in a utopian fantasy world People can already basically pirate any game they want, we are already there, I'm just proving that the world we already live in is fine.
>>740598162No you're just a thief. You're trying to be dishonest again for some reason. It's not healthy.>>740598179You're trying to strawman me. I'm arguing general piracy is bad because generally people pirate just because they want free shit not because they care about digital preservation or edge cases like anons love to come up with. I only need to point to all the celebratory threads on this site when a denuvo game gets cracked as proof while games preservation threads rarely appear and die early. This mindset is no different than jeets taking all the free samples because they abuse the way a high trust society functions. If you want something and like it you should support it.
>>740598485so piracy is copying and not stealing? is that what you mean? thanks for proving me right
>>740598507>it's a false analogy because I don't like it.No.>can't name a single gameLol. That's what I thought.
>>740598585>I'm arguing general piracy is bad because generally people pirate just because they want free shit You're still condemning legitimate use cases because of a group of people you don't like.People celebrate denuvo getting cracked because DRM is inherently evil. If it was a net good, it would only affect pirates and would have zero negative repercussions to paying customers. that means they would be allowed to play the game indefinitely, without performance issues, and without the worry of ever needing an online verification.
What anti pirate people don't realize is that preventing me from copying something on my pc, akin to preventing me from drawing the mona lisa on a canvas I own, means I do not truly own my pc or my canvasWhat the anti piracy crowd is ultimately arguing (without realizing it) is that I am not allowed to copy a game, but the game company is allowed to STEAL my personal computer (since they have a monopolistic right to decide what I can and cannot copy in it) or my canvas, etc etcThe anti piracy crowd brands itself as "anti theft", but is ultimately pro theft, and doesn't even have a coherent theory of what property even is to be able to define what theft would be.
>>740598613>so piracy is copying and not stealing?Oh yes, absolutely. Piracy is not stealing, as stealing requires the removal of property from the victim, which doesn't happen with piracy.
>>740598389replicating is making exact copies, retard
>>740598585>No you're just a thief.A legal thief yes.Which is why the IMF stands on my side and my country can't arrest or punish me for inconveniencing foreign entities who are economic rivals and competitors, for over 30 years of my life so far.You're avoiding the question now:What are you gonna do about it?26 years and counting since you failed, and keep failing, to convince the IMF to work against me.You need to convince the international authorities on this to have any relevance with your mindset, convincing yourself is just headcanon mental illness because you're a persona non grata.
just coming into the thread to say thank you to all the paypiggies who will always fund my ability to pirate games and ensure more games will always be made for me to pirate, thank you very muchwhen you pay for a game remember you are the reason the "W-WELL IF EVERYONE PIRATED!!!" retard argument will never ever happen, ever, so thank you again
>>740598776>You're still condemning legitimate use casesNo I'm condemning your retreat into edge cases because it's obvious you know what I'm saying is right. If you are in the first world and you want a first world entertainment product you should support it accordingly. If you don't then it's the digital equivalent of riots in black neighborhoods then everybody wonders why all the good stores (games) are gone.
>>740598892No you're just a thief. Stop the dishonesty.>>740598947>just coming into the thread to seetheEvery time. Feel free to stay for my entertainment.
>>740599004read the post again, lmao
I like how /v/ pretends to be edgy contrarians but are in reality government cocksuckers to a degree that makes reddit look based.
>>740598309>>740598485yeah go ask farmers about monsato and come backyes you can steal this "infinitely replicating food" and they will get sued just for planting seeds from their own crops without paying some cultivar patent
>>740598783This "argument" would only make sense to a cat. If you want something you should pay for it.
>>740598739>strawmans things never said >cant engage at allI must admit I didn't expect you to embarrass yourself with that level of a simple reply but I will accept your concession all the same.It was fun completely dismantling your bad anti-piracy arguments in front of everyone. Cheers.
>>740599031Still here huh?
>>740586191I hate unfunny blasphemous atheists, Jesus is God who created everything, the very essence of food is his creation so him making it isn't "stealing">
so why are these threads allowed again
>>740585548It was never stealing.
Over time people will realize "digital goods" never existed and it was just an artifact of a time where you had to physically obtain them because network infrastructure wasn't robust enough to provide you with them effortlessly digitally. All digital goods are really services, and what should be getting paid for is the service of producing software, not the sale of a good that doesn't meet the economic criteria to really be considered as such.
>>740599079>gets btfo by an analogy and copes by calling it false>can't name a single game you like from your fantasy world that wasn't funded and motivated by moneyI can tell you want to run away. Go ahead.
it's ok, I'm transnigger so I'm allowed to steal with no consequences
>>740587023>due to piracyLiterally never happened in the history of videogames.
>>740599051what does any of that have to do with the technology to infinitely copy and paste food like its gmod?
>>740585548>It's still stealing thoI BUY good games. No reason to STEAL a shit one!
>>740597416>>740598507what a bloodbath
>>740599004Yeah, I'm a legal thief. That's why nobody is punishing me or arresting me for over 30 years and the IMF defends my case.So, when are you gonna prove your self-conviction by having me punished or arrested? Either I'm too high skill thus making you incompetent and dumb, or you're too low skill with your narrative and have no judiciary power with your belief system and no support for it to make the IMF and my government change its ruling. Pick one. It's okay to be a loser son, you just suck at debate it seems if in 26 years you ain't made any impact.
>>740598223Now hold on, you said piracy was theft, and your refutation to Jesus's piracy of food was that he was supplying basic needs. So you're going back on that, and asserting a substantive difference between piracy, and theft, or just piracy, and armed robbery? It'd be perfectly acceptable to rush in when someone is not at home, and change the locks, or pick up someone's home, and steal it?
>>740599051>But it's illegal!Yes, I knowThat's an issue, it should be legal is what I'm arguingI do not base my morality on the law, laws change>>740599059>If you want something you should pay for itWhy? You don't even have an argument.If I'm not taking away someone's property, but rather creating my own replica, why exactly should I pay for anything that's not the materials used for the replica? (In case of digital replicas that would be the PC and electricity)You have yo realize that according to your argument, if you want to start a fire in the woods you should pay whoever holds the copyright patent for fire, inherited from the first caveman who invented fire. This is literally the logical conclusion of your position.
>>740598957>No I'm condemning your retreat into edge cases because it's obvious you know what I'm saying is right. I half agree with you, in that you should pay for things you want to support. However, copyright is still intrusive government overreach designed to strip rights away from the customer.I keep bringing up that "edge case" because you condemn it as theft as well.
>>740585607Davy Jone's locker is not that bad.
>>740585548I literally give 0 fucks.
>>740587023name 1 instance
>>740599117I can't even fathom getting rustled by such a post, very embarrassing Sad!
>>740598868learn the english language shitskin
>>740585548No it's not.
>>740599329Name a single game. The thread is still waiting.
if i go to my friends house and we watch a movie there (that he paid for) did i stole the movie? i mean i literally watched it for free
>>740599369>why?The pirate's mask comes full off. We can end the thread here. I win.
its not stealing, its looting. literally every game company said that BLM is based
>>740600772Yes.Also when you accidentally heard a song in public you basically stole it.
>>740600772Drink another verification can please.
I wonder what post OP meant to reply to.
>>740600951making a new thread on accident is literally impossible with the new captcha
>>740600757heres a few dozen thousandhttps://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Playhttps://itch.io/games/top-rated/freehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games
>>740586191upvotedthis is epic
Piracy is beneficial to the industry. You have no evidence to the contrary.
>>740600826???I'm asking you to substantiate your claim, and to define property and theftYour claim is obviously false, if I want to drink from a natural river that's just there, I don't need to pay for it, so the "If you want it you should pay" already breaks completely. It's obviously situational, and dependent on property rights.
dont mind me im just gonna steal, i mean copy i mean.. loot this new game, hope its gonna be good
fag
>>740585548>paying exorbitant prices for digital code that can be removed at any time for any reason no matter how petty is okay thoughIt's okay when companies do it
>>740585548Why is it okay when corporations do it?https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/10/mark-zuckerberg-meta-books-ai-models-sarah-silvermanIs meta in jail?
>>740602383the 0.1% is above all laws
>>740586109>digital property>>>/x/
>>740599157This is the proper hermeneutic understanding of gaben's infamous "piracy is a service problem" statement.
>>740585607I wholeheartly agree. Assaulting ships, killing innocent sailors, plundering their cargo, then wasting the money on booze and prostitutes is plain sub-human behaviour.
>>740602453But never above all lawls.
>>740600757what happened sis? we're waiting>>740601054
>>740586720>gave nothing backI gave the original car back.
>>740601256>being this disingenuousIts fine. I already exposed you as thieves and one even admitted it itt. I win.
>>740604245Waiting for what? You're disingenuous. My point has already been made and stands.
>>740604964I'm not being disingenous at all, I'm simply pointing out that your moral absolutes are incomplete and thus cannot work as moral absolutesThe correct sentence would be>"If you want someone elses property you should pay"Which is true. The issue is that by creating a copy, I am not taking someone elses property, and thus, piracy is outside of this absolute moral statement.More in depth considerations on this here >>740596984
>>740605107you're right, you already got btfod multiple times itt so not being able to respond yet again is nothing new for a thread clown like you lol
>>740585607Only for the pirates that have the need to justify themselves, personally I don't even seed
>>740586109>tell a joke first>then other anon tell the same joke but LOUDER
>>740606138Still seething? If you want something, pay for it. If you don't like such a simple profitable system go live in a shithole commie country like Cuba lmao.
>>740599426See >>740598585There is no absolutism. You want there to be because you want to justify general piracy. Because you are a thief who wants more money.
>>740604791Let me guess, you also complain about less genuine art and the proliferation of "AI slop" these days while holding such a disingenuous position.
>>740585648i started making music recently and learned how youtubes content id works for music. its fuckin insane man, you arent allowed to use any samples at all in your music these days, even if its just drum sample oneshots
>>740607181>there can be no good usage of piracy because some people abuse it, so all of it is badWhy do you think this?
>>740585548What got stolen, exactly anon? Point to the physical product that was stolen.Oh wait... you can't.That's because modern digital games aren't really sold as products anymore, at least according to the companies selling them. We're constantly told that we don't actually own the games we pay for. What we purchased is merely a revocable license granting access to a copy of digital code.So when consumers say, 'If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft,' they're not claiming piracy magically becomes legal. They're pointing out a contradiction.Companies want to argue that consumers don't own what they paid for when it comes to refunds, resale, preservation, account bans, server shutdowns, or revoked access. But when the discussion turns to piracy, suddenly the language shifts back to ownership and theft.You can't have it both ways. Either I purchased something that I own, or I purchased a temporary license that I don't own. If it's the latter, then comparing piracy to someone stealing a physical product becomes a much weaker argument, because no product was taken and no owner's copy was deprived of anything.Piracy may still be copyright infringement. It may still violate the law. But calling it theft while simultaneously insisting customers never owned the thing they paid for in the first place is exactly the inconsistency people are criticizing.
