Stay with it. Combat gets better.
Also never ask /v/ for video game discussions. 99.999% of what they have to say is shit.

>>740763375
It never gets better. It's complete dogshit, and the only reason anyone pretends it's good is because it was their first FF when they were a kid. Unfortunately those kids are adults now and have shit taste and takes like >>740763691

>>740763691
Agreed with this. /v/, at least nu-/v/ is more obsessed with twitter and e-celeb shit than games
They don't play games unless it's at maximum a year old
The people you want on /v/ aren't posting here, they're playing games

>>740763375
It does not get better and Lightning does not get less bitchy. Worst Final Fantasy ever created and I'm not even exaggerating.
You fell for zoomers glazing this shit when they haven't even played it.

whenever you see posts talking shit about /v/ in defense of a game then you know the game is shit

>>740763375
bought this when it came out looking for a fun cool RPG
>combat is decent
>characters and story kinda cliche

>>740763375
Please play literally any other Final Fantasy game besides this trash

>>740763793
>Worst Final Fantasy ever created
...are IV, VI, and IX

>>740763375
I begrudgingly finished this game because I wanted to fuck the boy, which is not pedo because I was also 12 at that time.

>>740763375
It takes until Chapter 10 for the game to actually give you control over your party composition.
And its a little further to Chapter 11 before the game fully takes the last of the training wheels off.

And when you finally do get to that point? Eh, its mid.

>>740763868
I've played a bit of XII, which I quite liked but felt too stupid for it around a foggy forest bit
Also played SoP and it was CINEMA
Otherwise haven't played any FF, and I tried, but cannot into SNES or PS1 JRPGs

>740763876
terrible bait

>>740763891
that's funny because i don't even remember a boy being in this game

>>740763876
you might have brain damage, sorry to say

>>740763932
Try any of them, even the spinoffs are better than XIII.

>>740763991
But not so much to be a FF VI "fan".

>>740763975
Hope, his mum died, which to be honest I didn't really get, because she could've saved herself as she was grabbing Snows hand
Then again I'm only early on

>>740764265
moms aren't tough

>>740763375
Combat improves as you unlock more roles and skills, but don't expect any kind of high challenge until really late into the game. It is pretty forgiven specially if you farm a bit, use objects, etc.
Lightning becomes better as the game goes on (all characters more or less do, that's like 80% of the plot). There's a pretty funny part where she basically realizes that she's been grooming Hope into a revenge machine and feels super bad because he's far too gone to stop him without him flipping out

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It gets better, EVENTUALLY, but eventually takes way too long. Like im this far into the game and only recently has the combat been anything but braindead. I imagine when they stop forcing the party to all be spread up and i get 3 party members for every fight its going to be even better but fuck knows when thats going to happen.

>>740763375
it's so bad XV sold well because of it

the game doesnt tell you about its mechanic
like atb refresh and shit
i'm 20 hours in the first one myself and trying to give it a real go because i heard the 3rd one is good combat wise
and 2 is worse than the first but we'll see

>>740765176
Both 2 and 3 are better than 1. As games, but not for the story

>>740763375
>it's beautiful, but the gameplay is pretty simple and the encounters are mind numbing
You are correct.
It does get a bit better 30 hours in when the world opens up and you fight a bit more complex battles. But why wait 30 hours for that?

I don't understand why this game is hated when FFX is the exact same thing and everyone loves that game.

Combat is only arguably tolerable when you have access to a standard 3-person party, and the game withholds this from you for about 15-20 hours. It is absolutely fucking retarded. Additionally, the game is utterly meandering nonsense, akin to Kingdom Hearts 3, because a major theme of the game is finding the reason for the journey, which is fucking absolutely an unsatisfying theme to explore when the chops of your writing staff are nonexistent and obliquely lean upon character designs and reactions (and overreactions) rather than effectively telling a (good) story (i.e. style over substance). Lightning is less of an actual character and more of a series of poses and huffs and puffs, for example. It's really a terrible game for several independent reasons, which is impressive kind of at how bad it is in so many regards.

>>740765267
>Both 2 and 3 are better than 1. As games, but not for the story
This is also correct.
I think FF13-2 and Lightning Returns are some of the best FF games. 13-2 basically fixes all of 13's problems. But you have to slog through FF13 first.

I dropped it at the big face pope boss.

My fav is FF7, followed by FF5, FF8 and FF10. FF4, FF6 and FF9 are good too, but they lack in player agency and customization

>>740765297
>when FFX is the exact same thing

Why do retards always claim this?

>>740765345
>finding the reason for the journey
They're searching for Ragnarok and are going to absolutely fuck him up, and hopefully will revert them from being l'Cie
At least that's my theory of what is about to happen

terrible game people are pretending is suddenly good because of youtube essays from people who grew up with it
it has decent visuals and music but that's it

>>740763375
best part of this game is Spoony review

>>740765176
XIII - best story
XIII-2 - best OST (one of the best in the series, actually)
LR - best combat

>>740765297
FFX is pilgrimage story and the player point of view character Tidus gets tossed into new world that first seems future of his home world but then there are twists. The story's protagonist is Yuna. First Tidus learns the big monster is his dad then he learns Yuna's journey was always supposed to end her being sacrifice. Then Tidus learns he is just a dream dreamt by the fayths. Tidus convinces Yuna to find other way than sacrificing herself but he doesn't tell Yuna if they beat the big bad without Yuna sacrificing herself, Tidus himself stops existing. It's bittersweet lovestory with no happy ending.

>>740765534
wtf spoilers

>>740765527
kek this

>>740765579
24 years old game

>>740765705
nyooooo

>>740765668
Imagine listening to spoony.
https://youtu.be/vgG5QqZUzjY?is=ZnXASIMbuKCHSP0l

>>740765761
imagine thinking those reviews weren't satirical and imagine comparing nu-Spoony to classic Spoony

>>740765421
>They're searching for Ragnarok and are going to absolutely fuck him up, and hopefully will revert them from being l'Cie
>At least that's my theory of what is about to happen
Right, and about 30-40% of the conversations of the game will be wondering about what they're going to do. So instead of getting story or character development, they're saying gee I don't know for nearly half of the game, and it's just terribly storytelling. I'd say the story doesn't respect your time, but it's more like it doesn't respect you at all.

>always heard of XIIIs reputation
>don't watch youtubers or anything
>see it in store for $10 and think "yeah why the hell not, I should see for myself"
>make thread on /v/
>apparently you can't just think or do things for yourself, it MUST be because of a youtuber

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>passive aggressive greentext

>>740763375
FF13 and FF13-2 are the worst FFs besides the MMOs. LR is good though

SEX WITH LEBREAU

>>740765843
It's still spoony.
It's funny how /v/ makes fun of reviewers and their gaming "skills" but love watching equally retarded youtubers.

>>740765956
the MMOs are good though
XI and XIV have better stories than most FFs

>>740766034
sorry he made you cry

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>>740765531
>>740765370
13-LR is such an enjoyable game. I played two full playthroughs back to back and had tons of fun, thinking about a 3rd one soon.
>>740765297
>I don't understand why this game is hated when FFX is the exact same thing and everyone loves that game.
imo people were much more receptive because of the times and because FFX executes it better. FFX felt like an adventure, you weren't really jerked around and had (You)r viewpoint teleported to random places that much. It keeps you immersed in the hallways which is extremely important to keep players interested, and it has elements that disguise the linear nature much better than FF13 does.

>>740766059
Kek no they don't

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>>740764670
>45 hours to reach chapter 8
How?

Drop it and play any of the PS1 games that are actually good.

The story will remain boring, the gameplay will remain boring, the music will remain boring, you'll have one weirdly out of place open world segment for some reason, and by the time you're done with the game you won't remember anything about it because of how boring it was.

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>>740766179
whatever you say

>>740766086
>he
Oh sorry, Spoony. I didn't know you post here.
Carry on.

>>740766231
QUISTIS BROS WE FUCKING LOST

>>740763375
The game gets good 40 hours in

>>740763375
2nd worst FF after 16

>>740763375
it's marginally better in a few end-game optional fights

>>740764265
>because she could've saved herself as she was grabbing Snows hand

This is a victim of its age rating - a huge explosion goes off behind her which sends her flying forward, she dies in his Snow's hands and lets go. She didn't die from the fall, she presumably died from impact trauma or shrapnel or something. Final Fantasy has always gimped itself on scenes like this for refusing to even show blood.

>>740763375
The game is good, but for a lot of it you do get through with 5 star ratings just by doing what the auto battle inputs and being in the appropriate paradigms, but as it goes on it gets more interesting and the auto battle doesn't make optimal choices.

>>740763375
This game doesn't have a single town.
It's just hallways.

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>>740763375
13 is a decent-ish game in its own right but you have to accept a lot of its failings. You're correct in that it practically plays itself because it treats you like an imbecile. It opens up later on and starts letting you make strategic decisions, but don't expect anything mindblowing.

It's also a terrible first FF, you should have gone with 6, 7 or X, which are all far better games and generally regarded as ideal entry point titles.

>>740766443
Sex with Vanille

>>740763375
Lightning is the only good one.

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>>740765705
It's almost as if new human beings are created every day

>>740763375
>3 hours
>but does the gameplay get better?
In another 17 hours. No, seriously, in another 17 hours you will have a full party and the combat will actually get fun because it is designed around having a full party.

>>740763375
Gameplay ramps up in complexity throughout the game, but it's fun if you approach the combat like puzzles with an eye to figuring out how to finish encounters as fast as possible.
Use librascope, experiment, use the abilities menu instead of relying on auto-battle
(you can even set the cursor to default to the abilities button instead of the auto-battle in the menu)

>>740766539
But doctor I'm doing that already

>it gets good 100 hours in

no it doesn't. you're just put in a big field with is basically just a large room and then it's back to the hallways. opening up combat doesn't make it any better either. you'll just be spamming I'M NOBODY'S SLAVE x100

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>>740766490
Lebreau > Lightning > Jihl > Vanille

>>740763375
>amazing music
>amazing art direction that still makes it look beautiful in 2026
>interesting and nuanced combat system that's held back by having absolutely no challenges presented to the player until the open world segment
>mediocre storytelling leading to a poor story experience
That being said, my No Crystarium replay was a blast. When tuned right, FF13 and FF13-2's combat systems are some of the best that Final Fantasy has to offer.

>>740766564
Where are you in the game?
Crystal lake? ruined temple right after the crystal lake? junkyard type area?

>never play a game in the series
>start with one of the worst games in the franchise
People are stupid, huh?

>>740763375
I actually went and played this game recently because people shill it so hard on here now.

No, it gets worse. Fuck everyone who says the game improves at chapter 11. The pacing fucking tanks. Chapter 11 is basically
>here is the postgame, and series of giant empty fields and slightly broader hallways with enemies. You can bactrack across if 50+ times for "missions" that are all "go here, kill this".
>many missions are meant to be done in order, so the game is still mostly linear even in this area anyway
The game is designed around you doing maybe 14 or so of the optional missions and then going back to the real story. Which, by the way is just a completely boring letdown compared to chapters 1-10. Honestly the game would be better if it ended at 10 and 11 was the actual postgame. There isn't even background music in the dungeon for much of chapter 13. It's just a weird Tron-like environment you walk back and forth in fighting more of the same reskinned enemies. This game is fucking trash.

>>740766694
The temple just after the crystal lake, chapter 3-ish

>>740766705
they listened to youtubers

>>740766787
See >>740765894

>>740766817
yeah keep trying to deflect
nobody with a fucking break would drop any amount of money on this absolute turd upon hearing of it's reputation
you 100% watched some stupid XII WAS GOOD THE WHOLE TIME videos and decided to try it out

>>740766909
What in the fucking schizo shit is this
I've always heard of XIIIs reputation, was never an FF fan, saw it cheap in a store, thought why not
Why can't /v/ fathom the concept of thinking without youtubers?

>>740766953
Do not engage with schizos/retards

>>740766953
It's just hard to believe someone as stupid as yourself exists. Trying to rationalize why you'd spend money on something you know is complete dogshit.

>>740763375
So no remasters? Should I jump in with the fix? I thought they would remaster them and add some qol

>>740767047
>know
>literally said i'd buy it and try it for myself to make my own mind up

>>740767014
yeah they guy who dropped ten bucks on this game clearly isn't the retard here

>>740767065
>paid money for a plate of shit because he needs to taste it to really know it's shit

LIGHTNING PITS

>>740763375
yes, the tutorial lasts like 15 hours but after that its kino

>>740767129
>but after that its kino

it really isn't

>>740767198
nobody asked

>>740767198
i asked

>>740767047
>>740767073
Some people aren't poor you know

>>740767227
oh yeah $10
must be rich

>>740766651
FUCK

>>740767185
it really is, i enjoyed it so much i even played the sequels, 13-2 is... okay i guess, 13-3 i really liked
once you can control party composition the combat is fun and fast.

its always a corridor walk but that was the style at the time

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>>740763375
>actually dropping money on this piece of shit

why didn't you just pirate it?

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>>740767320
zoomers are really stupid

>>740767129
I will never understand why people say this, unless they are just parroting shit. I thought Gran Pulse was boring as fuck. What was even the point of that story arc? The party is dumped there, finds nothing, and then you go back to Cocoon. No secret weapon, not allies, no nothing. Like what the fuck? You just bumble around down there for a while because Barty send you there... and then he gives you a ride back! Why!?

>>740763375
Better than FFX. It's just that people are averse to characters that are well written if they're not likable, and most FF13 characters are admittedly not likable in the first few hours of th game.

This is some insane samefagging

>>740767360
It's not better than X in any aspect, except maybe graphics.

>740767360
bait

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>>740767271
>it really is, i enjoyed it so much

christ this board has really done down the toilet since 7th gen kids turned old enough to post

>>740766714
Oh desu you're barely into it.
It will help if you can take it easy as a relaxed game, it is slow paced and helps to approach it with that mindset, but chapter 4 it immediately starts getting more complex.
I've started a replay and it was the first point I game over'd and had to grind a bit.

>>740767436
qft

>>740763691
>Stay with it. Combat gets better.
Indefatigable bullshit. FFXIII is awful from start to finish. The gameplay doesn't get better, it just gets busier.

what's with people defending this pile of shit in the last couple of years?

>>740763691
FPWP

I replayed 13 again this past year because I thought maybe I misremembered and it wasn't actually that bad and I can confidently say that it was worse than I remembered. At no point does it get better the fights don't get more complex or engaging and you can clear everything on auto with no issue anyone struggling with the tutorial (the first 20 hours) telling you it gets complex is actually braindead and I don't know how they are conveying this information to you

>>740767506
7th gen kids grew up and are influencing modern kids.

>>740767484
lmao actual retard
>>740767506
people have different tastes go figure, i hadn't seen some tart reply to like every post in a while though whats with that?

i wouldn't say its the best ff but its not the worst or even bad. ever play 15?

>>740767569
>lmao actual retard

what a great argument

>>740767506
Kids that grew without fathers that knew good games. Sad really.

>>740767585
thanks bro

>>740767569
It is bad. 15 also being bad doesn't magically make 13 good. Fuckwit.

>>740767535
13-2 and lr are A LOT better, it's just so sad people ignore the sequels because the first game make them quit

>>740767569
15 is much better, and even it's bad.

>>740767661
its good though

>>740767687
sorry but reality says otherwise
you liking it doesn't make it good
it's universally hated for a reason

>>740767687
no

I actually liked the comfy camping atmosphere of 15

>>740767678
13-2 just overdid it with the dlc and the story was a mess that actually pissed me off with the ending but wont spoil for op

13 3 i really liked but the story was also a mess but less of a mess
overall i finished all 3 so it cant have been that bad and i remember all of them so thats a recommend

>>740767678
>it's just so sad people ignore the sequels because the first game make them quit
Fool me once, same on you, etc.

After hating XII and XIII, I evaluated that the Squaresoft I knew was dead and stopped trying their games. I need to play the Mistwalker games but I always get distracted and they seem to have little budget.

Not only is the exploration a hallway, but so is the leveling, combat, and character relationships. You're given characters paired off forever, and even the leveling system is a fucking railroad. The people who says it gets better and "opens-up" aren't exactly lying, but it doesn't get to the level of a good game. Ever.

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>>740767762
13-3 is literally the majoras mask of final fantasy

>>740767723
>uh don't you see the critical opinion? it's bad, you MUST hate it
Are zoomers so fucking stupid and conformist they cannot comprehend personal taste?

>>740767723
universally hated? what universe retard? i see tons of positive responses so im thinking the universally just means one mentally ill sperg seething people like things he hates...
>>740767742
the camping and cup noodles really were the best
the music too
i should get myself to trying the dlcs someday

>>740767569
>lmao actual retard
I played that game on launch. Sank many hours into the fucker before calling it quits. There's a reason it's one of the only mainline FF games I haven't played to completion. It's a bad video game. The hallways, the "progression" system, and the absolute mess of a combat system are only the icing on the "god the writing in this game sucks shit and the characters are fucking insufferable cake".

It's ONLY redeeming quality outside of being graphically impressive was that Vanille was incredibly plappable. FFXIII sucks.

>>740767407
Better characters, better music, better combat once you understand it, and a better "open world" segment in chapter 11.

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>>740767816
>>740767824
liking this turd puts you on the same level as a games journalist

>>740767805
I hate so much that she uses a gunblade..

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>>740767816
>calling anyone a zoomer when you like this dogshit

>>740767849
>anon LITERALLY cannot comprehend that you can enjoy something despite what the entire world says

>>740767824
>what universe retard?

reality. try snapping back to it sometime.

lol are the people really trying to pretend this game is well-liked?

>>740767906
oh it's easy to understand
a lot of people have shit taste
it's just funny that you're trying revisionist bullshit claiming everyone liked it this whole time

>>740767906
It's perfectly fine to feel that way about a given piece of media. But it's disingenuous as fuck to go around touting it as "super good acktchually" instead of acknowledging that it's not necessarily good, but that you enjoy it anyway. I like Shadow the Hedgehog. That game is awful.

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>>740767805
you know what i was little majoras mask filtered me with the clock mechanic but i actually really enjoyed it when i went back to it and played it on its terms, good comparison
>>740767834
lmao if you say so
fang and lightning too, ff girls have always been great
>>740767929
>>740767952
dude youre seething so hard lmao

I like Final Fantasy XIII. It's fun (:

>>740767847
Wrong on all aspects.
But particularly the one I find most insulting is that you would say a game that has a track by Nobuo has worse music than one that doesn't.

>>740767990
>lightning too
Okay, yeah. You just have absolute dog shit fucking taste.

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>claiming someone is seething when mass replying

>>740767994
same anon same

>>740767847
Chapter 11 isn't open-world you absolute fucktard.

>>740767990
holy fucking SEX

>>740767847
This has to be bait. Imagine thinking characters like Hope and Snow are better than characters like Auron and Yuna. What the fuck.

this is why body likes this game or it's deranged tasteless fans

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>>740763691
Based and correct

>>740768092
trying to claim it's better than X is some next-level brain damage

>>740768092
You stroking out?

>>740763375
it gets a bit better but it never gets good
the soundtrack is the best part
XIII-2 is more interesting to play
LR too but it's not for everyone

>>740768112
in his anger anon accidentally the whole thing self

>>740768070
FFX characters are not well written, you just played the game as a child

>>740768145
I've played the game as an adult, too. There considerably more well-written than anything XIII brings to the table, and better served by the significantly better narrative that X offers. Never mind that it's by far and away the best love story in the genre.

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13, 15, and 16 are the bottom 3 FFs.
People like to shit on 2 and 3, but they're miles better.

>>740768145
In comparison to XIII's characters, they're Shakespearean.

>hating on X while claiming XIII is better or even a good game

this board's contrarianism has gone full retard

>>740767847
bait of the highest order and lowest effort

>>740768232
my DICC

>>740768274
it really has

>>740768274
you know theyre both really similar
i enjoyed both mind you
both are long corridors, 13 combat is better, x story is better, both parties are fun enough, both games are fun enough, both worlds are fun enough, i cant say either are bad really
i really need to bring myself to do x2 sometime i only played the very start
there has to be an undub somewhere

If you wanted to try a series, you should've started with the first game released for it.

>>740768232
true
it's a simple case of SquareSoft good Square Enix bad

>>740768363
>13 combat is better

please stop with the low effort bait

>>740768232
VIII is pretty fucking awful as well. But I generally agree with you.
>>740768253
Won't be long before people start seeing Chrono Trigger is bad. Oh wait. I've seen faggots actually say that.

>>740768383
Start saying*

hallways in 13 are the least of its problems

>X considered to have one of the best combat systems of not the best in the franchise while XIII is agreed to have one of the worst and probably would be the worst if it wasn't for XV and XVI
>some random retard is trying to claim XIII has a better combat system than X

i swear these fuckers have to be jeet teenagers

>>740768380
sorry anon but its true

>>740768048
That's why it's in quotes, you absolute fucktard.

>>740768491
I haven't played a FF since XIII, where I hated the combat although maybe not as much as XII's autoplay.

What fresh hell did they pull out of Nomura's ass for XV and XVI?

>>740768491
considered by who? you got lost anon reddit is the next tab over

>>740768570
that doesn't mean a thing you fucking imbecile
it's not open-world
it doesn't matter how quotation marks you put it in

>>740768459
The way they interact with the rest of the game is a substantial fucking problem, though. Most especially because they're designed to spoon-feed you the exact, "correct" number of encounters and experience to max out your CP (lulz) for any given segment because the game's combat is so fucking poorly put together that Square had to gate your progress in every single chapter to prevent it from breaking down at even the slightest whiff of over-leveling. It's like a fucking thesis on bad JRPG design.

>>740768582
>considered by who?

the literal FF fanbase

>>740768590
its open world enough

>>740763793
>Worst Final Fantasy ever created
16 and it's not even a competition

>>740768582
>considered by who? you got lost anon reddit is the next tab over
You would fucking know, zoomie. Considered by a huge portion of the fan base. The CTB is widely beloved.

>>740768616
your not the literal ff fanbase though keep seething

>>740768491
>X considered to have one of the best combat systems of not the best in the franchise
By people who hate FF and just want to play a generic turn based RPG? It wasn't bad or anything but it was very basic

>>740768674
Jesus this little nigger is unironically a child, isn't he? Why the fuck are you arguing about the quality held opinions of a fan base that were formed no less then a decade before you were even born, zoomie?

>>740768693
for real lmao

>>740768383
VIII is pretty great actually

>>740768647
By normalfags, mostly women. That's the audience for FFX. Real FF fans hated it for ruining the FF formula forever. FF never recovered

>>740768728
VIII had good gameplay. The story was such a catastrophe that it massively downgrades the standing of the game. The Laguna shit was cool, though.

>>740768720
>muh consensus opinion
Are you literally a woman

>>740768734
>Real FF fans hated it for ruining the FF formula forever.
I'm the mythical "real FF fan" you're speaking of and that's certifiable bullshit. You're thinking of XII.

>>740768720
bruh we dont do consensus in 4chan, sorry newfriend

>>740768635
nta but it's not open-world you stupid zoomer

>>740768773
Because you're the faggot who asked who holds opinion, little zoomie. Now drink your choccy miwk and go to bed.

>>740763375
>does the gameplay get better?
No, your reaction is basically the same one that most people had when the game came out.
>>740763691
/v/ was a decent place before 2013. The only reason to stay is that every other place is just as bad or slow as fuck.

>>740768810
nta but its open worldish at the least

stop replying to the xiii baiter

XII was good in hindsight

If XIII sucked so much, why did it get three games?

>>740763691
>Combat gets better.

Absolutely no. You have no control over party members.
Its just shit. Pure shit design.

>>740768845
>/v/ was a decent place before 2013
Trvke. We've really never recovered from that entire fucking disaster. The worst part isn't even that the retards who got expunged immediately flocked to Reddit before crawling back. It's what they brought with them.

>>740768894
because toriyama was obsessed and xiii sold well due to marketing just like xv sold well while also being a shit game

>>740768925
Larper alert. You absolutely have control over your party members' actions via the paradigm system. You can't change party leader in combat, but you can do that in the sequel.

If XIII is so good why didn't it get a port or a remake

>>740763375
Final Fantasy ends with 10

>>740768734
>Real FF fans hated it for ruining the FF formula forever. FF never recovered
That accomplishment is reserved for XII, which is by no surprise the first game released after the bankrupcy that had them get rid of a lot of their good talent. You could argue that X-2 was a crappy cashgrab, which it was, but at least it had some interesting elements in things like the battle system.

>>740768894
Making direct sequels is cheaper than making new games from scratch, so even subpar sales can justify the development cost.

>>740768852
no

>>740769131
yep

>>740769016
>You could argue that X-2 was a crappy cashgrab
It was also just dumb fun. It did a very good job of balancing its light-hearted elements while also taking itself seriously. Was it a good game? Not really. But it was fun. Kinda ruined Rikku's design, though. She was way more sexo in X.

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>>740769131
you sure about that

>>740767506
Waifufags with bad taste

>>740767569
>its not the worst or even bad. ever play 15?
It is bad, and it is the (second) worst. I have played XV, XIII is worse

>>740769194
Liking Lightning is the highest order of shit taste imaginable in a waifufag.

>>740769176
nice the ffxiii open world was kino

>>740769176
that is not a open-world
it's just a giant room between 2 hallways

>>740769230
lmao no way

>>740769256
shut the fuck up retard

>>740769271
exactly

>>740763691
I honestly have no idea how people defend FF13. It's complete dogshit

The gameplay DOES NOT get better

>>740768894
XIV 1.0 lost a lot of money so they needed to pump out some cheap sequels and reuse assets

>>740769230
This. FFXV was an incomplete mess, but at least it had a degree of personality. The second half of the game was especially shittily constructed, but there was still some soul to be found within it. FFXIII is a hollow shell with bad gameplay, a worse story, and an even worse cast of characters. Even the music was mediocre by the series' incredibly high standard. It's a bad video game.

>>740769305
and they had to steal versus 13 to fuck it up and turn it into 15

>>740768995
>You absolutely have control over your party members' actions via the paradigm system

Can I manually heal my leader?
>Leader
Who came up with this shit? And its game over if your faggot leader dies. And you have no control who your healer heals.

Worst FF shared with YoshitPiss 16.

>>740766231
>popularity contest

In that case Gatcha is the best video game genre of all time

you know i hadn't had so much fun arguing dumb bullshit in a while, thanks bros

thinking about it i played and finished all the ffs cept 16 which made me dizzy with the horrible framerate on ps5, theyre overall all good enough that i finished them so I have a hard time hating on any of them
13 does open up gameplay wise but its corridors till the end, the sequels are at least interesting but i finished them too, so...
overall i miss games like these, the worst ff was still good enough and interesting enough to play through.

>>740769372
>And its game over if your faggot leader dies.
Holy fuck I completely forgot about this. I'm getting angry again over a decade and a half later. What in the fuck were they thinking?

This thread is just further proof that you have to be an absolute brainlet to enjoy XIII.

A typical FF XIII hater:

https://youtu.be/k-uTnqYHZ-I?is=1f0QOTQpBwptSpVk

>>740769434
whatever helps you cope

>>740769434
cope. shadowbringers alone shits all over 13.

>Hey Michael, try going left

>>740768894
If it was so great, why did it need 3 games to tell a story when the objectively best FF games can do it in 1?

>>740769520
each one tells different stories anon.

>>740769472
absolute chad

>>740769548
So none of them are connected? Retard

I hate 7th gen posters so much.

>>740769548
Then why call them sequels? Even the mainline series doesn't treat numbered titles as sequels. FFX-2 at least felt like a follow-up to FFX.

>>740763375
>but does the gameplay get better

Not at all. Even when you re-unite with everyone and it ""opens up"", it's as repetitive as ever.

>>740768761
based

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMm7kayDeTU

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>XIIIfags trying to bring down X while pretending XIII is a more beloved game

christ even XV-kun wasn't this delusional

>>740769826
I'M GONNA SAY THE M WORD

>>740769826
I can't even remember a single track from XIII. Meanwhile the music of X has lived rent free in my head since I was a 9-year old.

>>740769826
>XIII got 2 sequels
>X got one
>and audio drama where Tidus's head blows away

>>740769372
Just like Persona 3!

>>740769925
XIII got sequels because Square was on life support after XIV 1.0 nearly threatened to bankrupt them as hard as Spirits Within. The difference between those games and Spirits Within, however, is that Spirits Within was good. It was just incredibly irresponsible.

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>>740769920
masashi mastered that ethereal feeling

https://youtu.be/flcmQFXIqLQ

>>740769925
you keep trying to imply XIII got two sequels because it's good and not because of how badly XIV 1.0 bombed
why do you think they stole Versus-13 from Nomura to lazily shit out XV?

>>740770169
>Spirits Within was good

I don't even think Sakaguchi would agree with you on that one.

>>740770186
It's too bad he couldn't write music that people actually remember. I won't hold it against the guy, though. It's not like the game being terrible was his fault. And expecting anyone to measure up to possibly the greatest composer in the history of video games is a big ask. You'd have to be Yoko Shimomura to do that.

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>tfw you lived long enough to see people defend FFXIII

>>740770294
It HAS been a good two decades since I've seen it. I might be giving it more credit than it's due.

>>740763375
Why did they choose this game and this character to make 2 sequels for? Everyone hated it when it came out.

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>>740770331
Feels bad, man.

>>740770323
Blinded By Light is the best battle theme in the series

>>740769663
well theyre sorta connected i guess, but its not like a conventional trilogy, its more like the same characters, or some of the same characters reappear in different games with different stories, but don't even necessarily feel like the same characters or have that strong a continuity, for instance, hope in 13 2 and 13 3

>>740770383
>>740770169
>>740770261

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>>740770331
sad times indeed

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>>740770420
No.

>>740770420
it's up there but nah

>>740770420
it's good but no the best

This is my most successful thread I've ever posted on 4chan and 90% of the posts are arguing

>>740768232
3 is great. Who doesn't love the onion knights?

>>740770623
i've seen a fair few people poo poo it (not that I agree with them)

>>740763375
learn ATB refresh and the game becomes way more fun. The combat is literally designed around ATB refresh but the game never fucking teaches you. No idea why they did that.

>>740770614
90% of the posts are the same 3 people too anon

anyway keep going it does get better and the sequels are fun too

>>740770790
Why would you be surprised that a game that tells a considerable portion of its story through tomes of arcane bullshit buried in its fucking menu system doesn't adequately explain its convoluted combat system?

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>>740770839
>it's only 2-3 people who dislike XIII haha

>>740766231
how's that retard wakka so liked?

>>740770746
I thought 2 was the one everyone hated. I like 3. 2 is gay though cause you have to level everything but you can just cheese the game and punch everything to death.

>>740770614
It's not your fault, anon. We don't care if you like the game. At least I don't. But I'm definitely gonna recommend rope to anyone who unironically claims it's better than FFX.

I dropped it but want to go back to it one day but fuck there's so much lore that I forgot and combat mechanics that I might have to start from the beginning

>>740770923
I just wanted to know if I should keep going or not
For films and books etc I never ask, but a game can be over 60 hours long

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>>740767198
>9 that high
fuck off

>>740770906
memes

>>740770906
He's a likable character with a good arc that plays out over time. He's forced to confirm the reality of his own religiously-ingrained bigotry and reckon with the fact that it flies in the face of his duty as a guardian and surrogate older brother to Yuna, who he never even realized was a member of the same race that he so fervently hates. What's not to like about Wakka? He alone has a better story than the entirety of FFXIII.

>>740770906
ティーダのチンポ気持ちよすぎだろう

>>740770896
whats crazy is how assblasted it makes you that others like the game samefriend kun
>>740770614
since anon didn't tell you what atb refresh is i will, every 12 seconds the atb bar will fill to full when you paradigm shift. so you ideally want to have sort fo rotations where you use your bar, then paradigm shift, then use your bar again, it makes battles go really fast
this doesn't make sense now but it will later when you get more atb bar segments and paradigms

>>740771117
>since anon didn't tell you what atb refresh is i will

didn't ask

>>740771117
what's crazy is how assblasted it makes you that there are actually more than 2-3 people ITT who hate this game samefag-kun

>>740771117
I have paradigms, but do I need to unlock ATB refresh or something in the Crystarium? I don't think I'm doing it right

>>740771213
It does it automatically but it's really not that big of a deal.

>>740770976
keep going if you enjoy it, stop if you dont. both the haters and likers are right. it always will be long corridors with 1 exception at the end
the combat does open up and get interesting/fun
the story, if it clicks with you is good enough I mean I liked it, and coherent and memorable and batshit enough
man this thread makes me want to replay it
its not chrono trigger but its memorable and imho worth playing
its not 60 hours either its kinda shortish for a ff game

>>740771271
>the combat does open up and get interesting/fun

no it fucking doesn't
stop saying this
post proof

>>740771213
no, that's why anon said its not explained, its a mechanic but it doesn't say anywhere that it happens, just change paradigma every 12 seconds or so and it will, its not a skill or anything

also buffs and debuffs go very hard in this game, and is one of the few games where the desth skill is really really good

>>740771364
proof of what sperg? you got issues bro holy shit

my proof is i enjpyed it i guess? lol

>>740771370
(it doesn't have to be every 12 seconds, 12 seconds is the minimum, its really a mechanic to encourage/reward for paradim shifting, if you do it every longer itll happen too)

>>740770906
He's a cool dude
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yU8nIn453Kc

>>740771413
proof that the combat gets interesting for fun you dense retard

>>740771579
>le fun is le buzzword

>>740771579
interesting: you get more atb segments a whole bunch of apradigms, and a lot of options status effects and party compositions feel tangibly different and the enemies are varied and interesting enough that the fights kept me engaged and wishing to do them more rather than avoid them. Its been years and i still remember some of the encounters/bosses/enemies too, probably one of the few ffs where debuffs and buffs are really integral to gameplay and you are encouraged to use everything

fun: i found the above fun

i guess you didn't which ehhh sucks for you but that's okay, different people find different things fun. id go and say the combat was the best part of the game, easily and what i liked most about 13 2 and 3, too

>>740771271
>the story, if it clicks with you is good enough I mean I liked it, and coherent and memorable and batshit enough
I honestly can't remember a single thing from FFXIII's story.

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>>740763375
It gets good in 20 hours
Alternatively just play the sequel
>but the story
Don't worry they all suck you're not missing much

>>740771735
>>740771749
oh so you have no actually proof
thanks

>>740771756
then it didn't click with you which is fine too

>>740771779
>all the stories suck because it sucks in this game

>>740771803
what is there to "click"?

740771781
thats what i get for replying to mentally ill spergs lmfao

>>740771749
getting more shit =/= more interesting

>>740771845
i would like proof of the combat getting more interesting
getting more status effects you'll never use doesn't mean anything

>>740771830
click means resonates, likes, find interesting? I liked the whole fabula nova crysalis thing, the mythology and worldbuilding were fun to me
agito too was great

>people not only defending XIII but claiming it's better than X is any aspect

I'm officially too old to be posting here.

>>740771895
what is there toe find interesting? the story is beyond boring and all the lore is in a fucking datalog.

>>740771972
people who like 13 have insanely low standards

>>740771781
>prove to me that you had fun

>>740771779
XIII has a genuinely great, and apparently very overlooked/misunderstood story

>>740771756
all i remember is "protect cocoon" ad infinitum
but you really just want to destroy it

>>740772060
for real

>>740772026
prove that it gets interesting

>>740772060
>>740772136
no amount on contrarian faggotry will make this true.

>>740772060
no

>>740772060
It fumbles it all with the deus ex machina at the end though. I can't forgive it.

>>740772164
>>740772191
It's ok not to like things, but it's not ok to be this eternally ass blasted