Stop playing old games. Move on already.
>>740910315your gay
>>740910315you don't tell me what do you pleading bitch
>>740910315draw Hilda's face real quick
>>740910315Make me.
>>740910315>menus on the left side
>>740910315Okay.>plays sai 2
>>740912813Do you not draw with your right hand?
>>740910315Moved onto csp, but been using sai 2 again for a nostalgic trip. It's been fun.
>>740913408how can you when csp is laggy af?
what's that? reinstall diablo 2 again? i dunno op, should i?
>>740913514It doesn't lag for me when doing like normal drawing/linework. But I do notice certain brushes when made very large can make it chug.
>>740910315SAI is really good
>>740910315Does quitting count as moving on?
>>740913639is so fast and clean with its lines
What do we think of the furry one?
>>740913745its alright. i didnt master the use of it yet
>>740910315>sai 1>menus on left side>not using boogie's dark mode mod to make the UI not nuke-white
>>740910315lol me
>>740910315No. I'll play whatever game I want to play.
>>740913745kill yourself.
>>740913745>kritranny
No dark mode is craaazy
>>740913878>>740913865What's so bad about it? It's free and I don't need wine to run it.
>>740913919He's supposed to add it to 2 soon™
>>740913745It's great for what it is, but man do i hate the UI
>>740913745The UI complaints aren't to taken seriouslyIt turns easy after you do exactly one piece unless you're slow-brainedMogged by Sai like everything else althoughbeit
>>740910315The magic died when I realized it's all the same one brush
I still use CSP 1.8.8
I can't believe Windows almost got rid of MSPaint. Truly insane. Anyone who is not still running HP-UX text only interface is not a real gamer tho lol.
>>740913807>menus on left sideand letting your arm blocks most the UI is the more efficient layout?
>>740910315since this is the sneaky drawing thread, can i ask a question of some of you experienced drawererers? i have spent years doodling willy-nilly gesture lines and overlapping forms that i think are nice but i cannot for the life of me "draw from reference." this might be a strange question but do any of you, for instance, look at a line/contour and try to mentally place its beginning and end point on the canvas, or do you draw it blind? i feel like i'm near a breakthrough when it comes to observation but that could easily be my naivete
>>740914486i use to but now i just wing it
>>740914486To draw from reference you use construction, same as a normal drawing. Make simple shapes that are roughly right, then make more definitive lines over them. As for learning where to place the first lines, you'll just have to work your brain's visual side.Just trying to copy the lines is for masters or freaks.
>>740914414Reaching across your entire tablet isn't very efficient unless you have some little baby huion.
>>740914486Try tracing exercises>hurrrrrr tracing badSame cucks that think using a reference is """cheating"""
>>740914486> look at a line/contour and try to mentally place its beginningyou already failed, learn values instead
>>740913919>zoomer tranny Fuck off
>>740914294Even the most grug early version of CSP, or as it was called, Manga Studio, is better than SAI. SAI is godawful
SAI is amazing.
>>740914486Its all about shapes and proportions. And letting how much your style breeds. But the shapes you need to look for is t he value shapes, its easier to read the face with value contours rather than fixed shapes like loomis. Eventually if you do enough then you'll just do it mindlessly and still manage to finish it good. Then you start drawing entrily new poses from ref because just 1:1 ref is boring.
>>740915484>>740915035Any recommended reading/watching for getting a grip on values?
>>740914486https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwVkNDy4n4ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7n5yI4OGs ALWAYS use reference and expand that visual library
>>740915131How so? It does everything I need it to do.
>>740912813well fucking okay then, lefty
>>740914486at some point you don't need to think about it and your brain just does itbefore that try using plumb lines.for example i marked a few on this random picture>top of bangs is parallel to the elbow>wrist is lined up with the iris>chin and waist line up>eye and knee are parallel>bow and the widest point of the leg are the same heightand so onyou want to find points to use as visual landmarks and work off that
>>740916014I like sai, but I do wish there was a lasso fill tool.You can work around this with a fill keybind, but still.
how and what should I study? I feel unable to learn how to construct bodies from simple boxes. but others are telling me to copy exactly what I see (contours). it's all so confusing
>>7409171412D shapes > 3D shapes > conjoining 3D shapes > building body from 3D shapes
>>740910315i switched to SAI2 ages ago, but i just use it for sketching and lineart now, everything else i do in CSP or photoshop, but SAI/SAI2 feels leagues better response-wise so i've always found it much nicer to sketch and line in
>>740914768>tabletdidn't bear the drawing
>>740917574how do you use photoshop? for coloring and effects?
>>740911295freecell >
>>740910315nah
>>740913745I bought the full CSP liscense and went back to this after a few drawings.
I want to continue using CSP, but I want those painterly round brushes and shit.
>>740917141When i was still in school they told us to draw whatever dynamic pose reference in pinterest before we get into the study itself as a warm up everyday. Then we move to foundational drawing where we learn about body parts composition in detail like head, torso, hands, legs, foot. By the end of the semester we could draw any pose that we want and identify posture underneath clothes. I never draw boxes outside of perspective class, even then it was only for introductionary practice like to see how 1p, 2p, and 3p perspective works
everytime I practice drawing boxes I get demoralized and /ic/ laughs at me and calls me a retard
>>740918593Because you are a retard for forcing yourself to draw boxes
What's a good drawing tablet to use when I just want to sit on my bed and draw?
>>740915945copying lines without construction or tracing isnt using reference OR expanding your visual library btw but thank for your chink chong pin pon nonsense translated by ai
What if I'm talented at depicting forms in space but suck at drawing people?
>>740918713Practice drawing people.
>>740918713Dehumanize peopleStart drawing them as forms put together
>>740918713>The institute considered that he had more talent in architecture than in painting.[7] One of the instructors, sympathetic to his situation and believing he had some talent, suggested that he apply to the academy's School of Architecture. However, that would have required returning to secondary school from which he had dropped out and to which he was unwilling to return.
>>740910834this
>>740918795>Tfw you're hitler
>all this arguing about paint programs but no one actually posting their drawings
>>740918886sorry, none of those drawings are about video games.
I need some serious help with manga/anime heads. Idk why I'm struggling with this. I can rotate heads fine but its just the proportions and setting stuff. Does anyone have any resources?
I want to draw femboi and penis. what do
>>740919047post penis and we will tell you
>>740919047You have a dick you can study.
It's far from perfect but dot net always just felt the comfiest for me
>>740913590No, do rollercoaster tycoon instead
>>740913745The only thing I hate about Krita is the absolute dogshit text tool. Like, how is it THIS bad? Baffling. Otherwise I want to see the paint process for the robot squirrel girl, maybe it can improve my own art.
>>740910315No. I'll tell you why:> The video game industry is completely captured to the point where socialist/progressive/left-wing /pol/ bullshit and that includes every national-socialist type that cosplays as a conservative.> Because of the capture, the cooperative between access video game journalists, influencers, youtubers and the like, along with Hollywood/movie industry types, and finally government funding project programs, and some parts of academia, have come to form a panopticon system that produces bad software products (video games)> And because of the cooperative capture, bad games are being produced and I'm being told - even on this website that is now no different from every normal faggot social networking website - is often suspected of being a place for marketing researchers and marketing influencers posing as faggot OPs (and they may as well be).As a result, and this is me speaking as a 40 year old faggot that's been on this website since the beginning almost (2003? 2004?) I'm left with more desire to play old games, whether on original hardware, emulated software or hardware (MiSTER), and some modified old games at that. The new stuff out there, perhaps a RPG Maker free video game or free Doom WAD or total conversion, gets my attention. But I have no reason or desire to readily pay money to an industry that takes me for granted and treats me like a stupid idiot. Now I can't speak for others. But I can certain say: I think it's time to focus on personal savings and become more picky and miserable with what one buys as far as video game entertainment. I could always move on to another hobby - I know a few old fags that have left this place and moved on about nearly a decade and a half ago that have moved on from video games altogether once the demoralization just hit (thanks commies, you ruin everything!)
>>740918926anime is deceptively hard to draw I feelehentai has a bunch of books just type in how-to or tutorial
>>740919270They supposedly fixed it in the newest major update.
>>740919290>anime is deceptively hard to draw I feelbut why? Why did the nips do this? And why is furry so much easier to draw?
everytime I draw a body it takes me thirty minutes to get something lookign semi right. I can't improve or draw faster.It makes me so angry
>>740918926I would get a drawing mannequin and go from there for starters.I would also get some pictures of poses and pose books.Japan sells a few and there are picture sets sold by some websites these days.
>>740918713Came to the conclusion that simple forms are superior
>>740913745>own csp>have ps pirated>could have toonboom or tvpaint if i wanted as well>im still using krita for some fucking reason
>draw on paper with a pencil>trace it onto cardstock with a pen and a lightpad>do parts i fuck up the tracing on multiple times>scan, convert to 1 bit>combine the better redrawn parts in win 7 ms paint and redraw some parts with a mouse manually making the lines look rough like the pen lines>print out on my monochrome laser printer (no glowie dots)>color in with copics>scan again, color correct>also do char design variants and add them as layers in paint.NET as seamlessly as possible
>>740910315ok Im gonna play remake of old game but enshittified for the retard audiences instead thank you rabbi.
>>740919436I never really got the point of these things. They're not that posable, they don't provide you with any details to reference, and you just don't get the same perspective looking at something 1/16th the size of the real thing.
>>740919301>Use Krita after a text overhaul>Have to write a lot of text for an image>Want to kill myself so bad that I buy CSP instead>Use it a lot, but still miss the mouse stabilizer>Hear about 5.3 update>Update krita>Text tool isn't whatever nonsense it was before and makes more sense>Can actually disable anti-aliasing easily now on layersMaybe I'll think about using it again.
>>740920227Yeah these things are a fucking /beg/ meme trap. They're utterly worthless if you've studied gesture for even a single day. Idk maybe if you're one of those people that can't imagine poses in their head it could come in useful but I just can't see it.
>>740920227>>740920412I got one of the Japanese loli sized posable ones and it's neat but I still never use it. Maybe I should.
>>740920227I've used these in the past years ago for high school projects or for doodles - I don't draw anymore. And I was using some old American illustration techniques to use these mannequins and they worked! So for anime, the problem has always been the head: Japanese use the sphere and not the bulb head shape although the bulb helps to then measure the height of forehead and hairline of character designed. You're just going to have to eyeball it I say. Practice, practice, practice.
Anyone use SAI on Linux? Curious how well it runs on wine, though doubt I'll switch from Krita.
>>740910315Does Sai have blending modes?
>>740913745Why did they have to make it furry?
>>740913745I use it because I switched to linux, it was annoying to get used to at first but it's fine. Can do more than SAI does technically.
>>740920664>Practice, practice, practice.but howi dont want to read a gay book that leaves me asking more questions
>>740910315SAI is great though, ver 1 especially so. Its blending is simply unmatched by any other overcomplicated drawing software. And no, I won't.
>>740920227they suck shit and there are way better options.
>>740910315Whatever works, OhPee. I can do without the annual paid update, thank you very much.
>>740913745don't know if this is the best place to ask but is krita a good replacement for photoshop for basic image editing on linux?
>>740921298Depends on how basic we're talking about. Might as well use GIMP
>>740921331well the thing is i fucking hate using gimp
>>740921142erm why does your krita look so much more modern than mine
>>740921362Then use krita. It's okay-ish, but definitely doesn't have any advanced tools like CSP or PS does. But for any basic stuff, it's fine
>>740921402I just grabbed an image from the internet. Turns out it was a redesign from a random user.Mine looks similar to yours.
>>740920896If mannequins don't work here's what I would do> find a subject like a woman or a man - whoever can trust you to take a picture for your purpose to practice illustrating from different angles their head and face> PRINT - on photo paper (matte or gloss) the photos with a photo printer or at a place that can develop photos (I know, old school but trust me it's worth having a high quality photographs printed) and then have them on hand to then use practice of illustrating the same person from different perspectives.Now you could print on regular inkjet but you won't have the same vibrancy and color accuracy as that of a photographic print in case you want to color later after illustrating.
>>740921739very cool designs anon
>>740921751Or better yet, find a live model
>>740910315Uhhhh? Is this the thread?
>>740914383Didn't they bloat notepad to death too?
>draw in paint.net with mouse>Buy drawing tablet with CSP>still draw in paint.net with mouse because I'm too lazy to learn the CSP workflow
>>740913745*krashes*
Would you say CSP is worth it for the brushes? I can't wrap my head around Krita's brush maker to make my own.
>>740923371I've never tried kirita but I love cspWait for the summer sale though for half off
>>740923371If you want to focus on linework/comics, I dare say it's the best option on the marketfor a more painterly style like a trad painting, you probably have better options
>>740913745too complex for my small brain
>>740923131N-no? How would they even do that? It’s just for notes.
>>740923371You only need one brush - round simple
>>740923795Nta iirc they added copilot to it - lol, lmao even - and then backed down
>Braindead simple, no fluff or bloat>Infinite canvas>one time purchase>compatible with my surface pro and its pen, and runs like butterLeonardo is the only drawing program i need, the only thing i miss are some of the custom brushes for CSP. They said they were going to add support for custom brushes, but we haven't had an update in like a year because they said they were completely rewriting the app or some shit
>>740923939Might as well use Magma at this point
Might as well ask here, which android app that feel closest to SAI?
>>740913745Krita has got the best color picker around, so it's the best.
>>740920961This.I can not understand how all the fancy, modern programs ALL left me super disappointed with their brushes' ability to blend.And then there's the part where all these newer programs sample transparency and/or color from other layers outside of both your selection borders AND your working layer. It's insane. Why in the hell would I want to pull in and blend transparency or other unrelated colors when I specifically separate shit with selection, or layers? Wonky blending at that.So I have to stay with ol' simple SAI. Except for text and animations, where I use CSP.
>>740921554>but definitely doesn't have any advanced tools like CSP or PS doesWhat advanced tools specifically?
>>740924754The only thing Krita doesn't have that Photoshop has is the mixer brush, other than that it's pretty much one-to-one, with Krita having more brush engines than Photoshop. It's also not fucking bloated to hell and back, so that's a big plus
>>740923848>tried to add copilot Good Lord their team of engineers and developers are retarded. If I want to use copilot, I would go to its site. It serves no purpose to notes.
>>740910315
>>740924927They need to show high user rate for AI to the investors or they'll lost them all, that's why they cram AI everywhere.
>>740923370What are you doing to make it crash?
How comes sai 1 sometimes refuses to save an image as a jpg/png but saves it normally as a psd
I want to like paintnet but it's missing too many basic features that the devs are too fucking obtuse about adding. Why the FUCK can't you sort layers into folders? Also I'm too used to being able to select transparency as a "color" in sai but you can't do that in paintnet and it sucks.
>>740910315We draw old games here, not play
>>740919248Mr. Bones wild ride never ends.
Does anyone have experience running CSP on Linux? I'm kind of interested in getting it, but if it's buggy when running through wine then I'll stick with Krita.
>740910315I use Ibispaint cuz i , i no pc, its nice
>>740924590
how do I become successful with patreon?
I gave up.
>>740927842make something people can't stand not seeing more of
>>740927305only thing I don't like about ibis is I can't find an ink pen that I like and you can get really small detail lines like I can on csp or sai.
>>740910315>Stop playing old games. Move on already.Old games have soul, new games do not. It is really funny, as the industry has become infested by (((those))) people, how games have lost their identity and become homogenous slop. It is almost like there is a plan to destroy the artistic integrity that functions as a base for creativity.
>>740918926you learn via guides, references and your own experimentation. anime heads don't exist in 3D, they are flat cartoons and should be approached as such.
>>740927842Draw bobs and pussi
For me it is Clip Stuio Paint
What have you been drawing lads?
>>740913514do you use a toaster or something, I have never had any lag on csp
>>740928948see >>740926997
>>740927842Draw NTR
>>740926227Paint.net is not a digital art program, it's a slightly more advanced version of mspaint
>>740928885Kill yourself.
>>740928948I have done nothing but draw homer simpson for the last three months
>>740928476like what
>>740929450IDIOT! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN POSTING IT?!
>>740929390Rude
>>740913745back even before it fixed like the 5000 issues I had with it, I still loved it for coloring and rendering while I used CSP for sketching.now I just use krita fully, I enjoy it despite the obvious retarded quirks it has.Words of advice to all the babies starting out: Ignore /ic/'s tablet thread and /ic/ in general probably and have fun
>>740927252I couldn't get it to work right a year ago but I've forgotten what the problem was since then, something with how the cursor is drawn I think. Looking back to what I posted about it, I just wrote "It's not unusable but glitchy."
>>740919551I have all of them too. Adobe is just for the sake of pirating it
>>740918926Hide Channel on youtube
>>740929561Nowhere, i will dump them on /co/ when i reach 50
I have a drawing tablet but I exclusively use mspaint. What's wrong with me
>>740929535Good art.
OPEN CANVAS NIGGAS WHERE WE AT?
>>740928948uma porndon't tell cygoys
>>740928948I want to draw Tasque Manager paw feet but I'm at work and currently taking a phat shit.
>>740927842find a niche that very few are into but you are and work from there.
no
>>740929815I hate ic, it's the worst smaller board I've visited
>>740928948Annie from league of legends but with big thighs and small underwear
>>740932782Enter /ic/Steal their pirated books and coursesLeave that shithole ASAPRepeat whenever I need a new book
Got a free Clip Studio download with my first tablet. So I am using Clip Studio.simple 'as.
>>740932782I enjoyed my time at /beg/, but aside from that it's basically just /v/.
>>740918926Just look up file name and similar
>>740913745A little too bloated for me. Unless I absolutely need it I prefer MyPaint. Well, .ora files are compatible with Krita anyway so that helps too.
>>740929356i cannot unlearn the keybinds and layout of paint.net.I am 100 layers deep, and i have a vague clue what's what. If I need to rescale or rotate anything, I redraw/trace using the 4 point vector line, that turns into pixels. I post the entire image, use contrast to make it absolutely white, apply a texture use magic tool to lassor the white version of the image, revert the image, go back to the texture layer, ctrl X it, and make another layer to have a cut out of the texture I want to add on top.I think, I have an issue.
>>740932156Examples?
loved sai but csp has more features. still using 2.0 btw never paying for your goyscription>>740933059you mean /pol/well so is /v/ i guess
>>740929060i use to but i think its just tabs keeping opened for music and refs
how do you guys pirate ps without getting computer aids?
>>740932782it would always put me in a bad mood when i would go there
>>740934696 you buy it
>>740934696PS is a bloated piece of shit nowadays. I urge you to reconsiderGet CS6 version from 10 years ago or something. Those viruses will also be so old your pc should already be immune to them.
>>740913745I like that pressing the E key automatically gives you an eraser with the same specifications as your brush, it makes the linework effortlessly consistent.
>>740934696by looking at your current PS crack team and googling if they cracked he new PS
>>740920863Furries are big on art and drawing
>>740929815>>740932782COVID did a number on it and the low speed + AI flood really did just pummel it into the ground, but every now and then it's just so good.Like this little mp4 I yoink'd off of there a few days ago, really helped me a lot.I guess you could apply that mentality to every board though, swimming in a sewer for a diamond and all that.>>740934936ye it's fantastic but I fuck up remembering to toggle the ""REAL"" eraser whenever I'm dealing with like stylized pattern brushes or transparency ones and try to scrape stuff off like a retard.
>>740934696I dunno, have you ever tried not being a computer illiterate retarded zoomer?Where the fuck do you, retards, even come from.
>>740934936You are supposed to erase with the same brush but transparent/background color in any other software anyway...
>>740934397Brown girls + anus BUT without the thigger shit
>>740932782I avoid the catalogue like the plague and just stick to my designated generals, otherwise you'll see the 20 AI argument and demoralization threads up at any given time. That's the best way to engage with the board, find the generals you like the most and only frequent those. The board is a lot slower and cozier once you do that. For me, it's /salt/ and the animation general
>>740935514>without the thigger shitwhat did he mean by this?
>>740935554>animation generalkek I remember getting nearly a shock of my lifetime learning that one of the better posters there was indian
>>740935657Yeah that guy is based and pumps shit out incredibly fast. Dude made me want to step up my game
>>740935651Cellulite riddled box-shaped asses black artists love to draw
>>740932782I used to post some stuff in /fig/, but the other threads are definitely a bit of a trash heap if you want any kind of CC. Basically rolling the dice on whether you get absolute garbage replies or not.
>>740935878the amount of artists that dont draw cellulite far outnumber the ones that do unfortunately
>>740935076This is not even close to enough construction to begin drawing features, if you need construction that is. This is the problem with learning from anime people, you learn bad practices. This guy has drawn the same doll face a thousand times and can draw it blindfolded, a beginner needs thorough construction because it actually very effectively helps you learn to draw the same thing without construction aids. But if you only draw a few vague lines like that your drawing brain doesn't learn anything, and of course you end up with lopsided faces.
>>740910834mine.
>>740936220you're just asking for this gif to be posted aren't youhint hint: you cannot talk about drawing anime on 4chan (or most of the internet really) because you will either be talking to an anime study looney whose only drawing practice comes from tracing anime and manga for 10 years for deviantart tier scribbles or whatever the fuck this lunacy was
>>740936220bro that's plenty... People who think they must have a thousand construction lines before they can begin to attempt an anime head are people who don't want to accept you need to make bad drawings before you get good.You get a feel for what looks good and what doesn't,
Does anyone know if the sai free trial reset still worksDoes it work through wine on linux
>>740936417He applied human anatomy to a cat head
>>740937005Anime girls are modeled after catsThis is known
>>740937086Also he screwed up the perspective. That's what he did wrong.
>>740936459Your drawing brain learns by drawing things over correct construction. This is true for anything, figures, composition, perspective. You draw correctly and you learn to notice flaws and mistakes, that's how you get better and gain the ability to draw without construction with confidence. That's how it works. I think it's just easier for the brain to recognize correct patterns this way.
>>740918926Go look at an illustration that you like. Now draw it. Repeat this with other illustrations that you like many times. This is how Japanese mangaka and illustrators learn to draw.
>>740913807>boot up SAI2 today after like two years of not using it>it completely freezes as soon as try to load or save a file>the nearly two year old version I have is still the latest onehurry the FUCK up and fix it, Koji
>>740936220dunning kruger post
Anyone else just really likes drawing now and treasure every shitty doodle instead of getting upset over not reaching perfection?
>>740938210I draw stuff halfway through, get disgusted and start a new drawing
>>740918926>Light bulb(ous heads)Generally, a normal head has the horizontal center of the face at eye level, for many anime styles the center is at eyebrow level.
>>740938210I'm proud of almost every image I draw, even the shitpost doodles.But I also know that I'm a lazy, stagnant and fundamentals-less amateur, and hate myself for that.It's a complicated feel.
>>740938318this
