>>741328640
I get 40 FPS on quality mode in 1080p. WTF. I thought Blow was a good programmer or something. This looks like a mobile game.

>>741328640
i thought it was just 20 mil
did blow blow another 10 mil out the ass

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>>741329209
>looks
IS

>>741329361
Did he fire his artist thinking he could do better? The whole game is so tasteless. Where’s the guy who did the art for Braid?

It's shit. He's gonna be homeless in about 6 months.

>>741329361
It’s AI isn’t? 30 million and they had to resort to AI to finish it.

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>>741328640
Does Blow have a chance of breaking even?

>>741328640
why is this guy paraded around as some kind of auteur and coding genius when he, in like 20 fucking years made
>super mario with time
>walking sim with puzzles
>horizontal qbert
???? i don't fucking understand

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he won

>>741328640
>30M
What did he spend it on?

>>741329209
>40 FPS on quality mode in 1080p
it's a fucking top down puzzle game, what the fuck?

>>741330765
3 million 10 dollar blowjobs from your mom

>>741330673
thats pretty good for a demo

>>741330765
Probably voice acting and orchestral music. Why would you possibly waste money on this for a Sokoban game, I don't know. He couldn't even bother to do a single song for The Witness.

AINT NO POINT TO THE GAME YOU JUSS GO WWOOOOOUUP

Why would you make a 500 hour Sokoban game? Who asked for this?

>>741328640
>creates his own language because alternatives are too slow
>always claiming to be so much smarter and harder working than everyone else
>always complaining about how if he was in charge everything would be better
>can't get 60fps on a top down puzzle game
L O L

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RELEASE PART TWO

>>741331142
spoiler: it's more box pushing

>>741331074
I’m a Blow hater and I didn’t expect it to be this bad. His fanboys are going to have a real hard time explaining all this away.

Why are you samefagging this entire thread?

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>>741328640
Guy is a great example of what you should always keep your ego in check. Dude made 2 ok and successful indie games and thought he was the second coming of christ.

>>741331042
god told him to make it (unironically lol)

>>741331341
nigga think he Terry

i dont know this guy nor his game nor this board's obsession with this guy. Can anyone post the gameplay instead?

>>741331308
actually this is going to be the third coming of jesus christ if west side is any indication

>>741329361
>dude F*CK soulless AI art
>*releases art that is more generic than basic bitch AI stuff*

>>741330675
he makes youtube videos where he talks about how a lot of software is poorly made. midwits think that he's a genius for stating the obvious

>>741331463
I don't think jblow has said anything virtue signally about AI art, in fact the demo has toggleable placeholder AI voices.

>>741330675
He's only paraded around like that by one person: himself

>>741330765
blow

>>741331392
You push boxes on islands on a grid kinda like that sausage game. Every island group has like a thing. F.e. a mirror that transports you. And then they come together at the end.

It's just a basic ass puzzle game like all his games. Just a generic puzzle game. But blow fart sniffers will eat it up like it's genius.

>>741330765
jonathans

>>741330675
the witness is the most beautiful game I ever played, his forte is graphics programming and aesthetics

>>741331392
>gameplay
You just walk around jumpin on shit.

>>741331579
he didn't do the art

>>741331579
>his forte is graphics programming

"If you ever use a graphics API you're doing game dev wrong" -Blow

Somehow I doubt that's his forte. His forte is marketing himself as some sort of guru. That's it.

>>741331693
actually I don't need to doubt or trust your stupid words since I played the witness by myself and can tell what it looks like, and you're a stupid and clueless tourist

>>741331579
Then why does his game look unremarkable and run poorly?

>>741331734
Do you think that he made the entire game by himself, retard?

>>741331734
you do realize that he didn't make the witness solo right? he has a whole ass team

the game's kinda mid but if i'm being totally honest, so was braid and the witness. i think all the normies are going to buy this shit on name recognition alone and it doesn't matter that the gameplay is ASS. johnny b is gonna triple his investment.

>>741331734
I don't think you understand what graphics programming even means.

Well explains why his game runs at 11 FPS.

>>741331392
No I can’t do that

>>741328640
why did he make it look like a cheap phone game from 2010

I thought the point of being 4 games in one was that it would mix and match rulesets

>>741331778
>>741331787
>>741331789
>>741331797
The amount of coping and forced resetera tourists in this thread is like night and day compared to the other OotSS threads, do you guys use some word highlighter or are just triggered by his face?

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I don't know why but the fact I can't turn the voice acting off is reminding me of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEWzAaGh-bI
I just want to push blocks in silence Jblow, let me do it.

>>741331857
It's just funny. Not that deep.

>>741331857
or maybe some of us have actually played the game?

>>741331857
What? Answer the question, do you think that he made the game entirely by himself?

>>741328640
$30 million for a fucking stupid puzzle game?

>>741331857
He literally ripped puzzles and mechanics from other games. You’re coping really hard.

>>741331896
No? Where is that even remotely implied? Are you fucking stupid? Stop with the dunning krugerisms now you absolute clown, you won't be telling me any sort of news regarding jblow and his gamedev company.

>>741331927
it's not even released yet lol

his only good game was braid, everything he made since wasn't that good, he was early to indies. lesson is if youre not first youre last

>>741331956
He spent most of the budget on programming so why does it run so poorly? I’m genuinely curious.

>>741328640
Damn cliffy b. looks rough nowadays

>>741332027
Go nicely ask him on twitter and he'll give you a truthful and technical answer, not like that'll change your stupid mind.

>>741330675
Why dont you go and try to make something, chum?

>>741331956
>you won't be telling me any sort of news regarding jblow and his gamedev company
Kek we got a genuine Blow sycophant here. I thought I'd never see the day. Even did the reddit "dunning kruger" thing. Beautiful.

>>741331956
You said he was responsible for the art. He wasn't, he's a programmer, not an artist.

>>741330673
Those are great numbers for a demo wtf you on about

>>741332173
>resorts to literal strawmanning because he knows he has no point
Piss off tourist.

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>>741332132
I'm not a creative person. I work in a boring technical field in the BioPharma industry.

>>741332084
It’s actually shocking that he would release a demo near launch that runs so poorly when he is constantly harping about performance.

>>741332209
>the witness is the most beautiful game I ever played, his forte is graphics programming and aesthetics
He did not make the art. He did the programming.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck two more days until demo 2

>>741332308
Not shocking at all if you know the slightest bit about game development and optimization. Who gave you that opinion? Say the names.

Its funny how all these useless youtubers make shit games like that Irish guy who released some crappy mobile puzzle game a few months ago and spent like a decade working on it.

>>741332027
He left developer debug stuff on for the demo
his game also uses a lot of volumetrics, which is perf heavy.
But really, he procrastinated on optimization for far too long and then suddenly got hit with a requirement to ship a demo, so he had to scramble to get things presentable, which meant pretty much everything else but optimization was more important.

>>741332312
Are you gonna keep arguing with a strawman or are you gonna piss off? Either way you already confirmed you're an idiot so there's no turning back.

>>741331579
Can I ask, what is it about the witness that you connected with so deeply? I like puzzle games, and I tried to play it several times, getting as far as solving two of those big beam mega puzzles but I dont think I "get" it. All Witness fags i talked to so far just go on about how amazing and beautiful this game is but they cannot ever elaborate. I am beginning to think its a running joke of sorts to claim its the most beautiful game you ever played just to fuck with people who are not in the know

>>741332383
>strawman
What? That's what you fucking said.

>>741332164
anon, I think that's fucking blow himself

Whhoooooooo~oop
This shit stupid as hell mane

>>741332445
Start saying who was actually responsible for the graphics programming and you'll be slightly less of an idiot, no cope or dodge will make you sound less retarded so don't bother, just take the L you clueless idiot.

>>741332546
Do you think that "graphics programming" means he's responsible for the art direction?

>>741332474
Heh, blow himself.

>>741332424
there's an aspect of the game I presume you're unaware of in which you have to really drink in the scenery at all times, I presume that tends to give people who got into the game a greater appreciation for the visuals of everything. For me I don't think it's anything insane graphically but the almost painting-like stylized take on realism is very visually appealing to me, I consider it one of my favorites but that's largely because the puzzles are really good

>>741332424
As far as graphics goes I'd say it's the very strong sense of being there due to the lack of screen-space fuzziness, he makes a big deal about visual consistency and you can tell.
The gameplay leans a lot towards spatial awareness too, you're rewarded for taking your time and paying attention to details until you reach an eureka moment. It's a game clearly designed to be lived in rather than just being "played through" which I respect a lot.

>>741332351
After 11 years developing and being THE performance and software sucks these days and is slow guy, there's no excuse

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So... Who is this game for?

>>741332624
Do you think the artists just plopped down assets and the game came to be? Enough with the dunning kruger you dumb clown, we already have enough littering in this board.

>same group of 5 autists post in every thread, eternally buttblasted at another autist who is more successful than them.

>>741332649
I do appreciate the scenery, and it is very appealing, yes. But i think the puzzles dont have enough breakups, i remember solving puzzles with the exact same mechanic like 15 times back to back before it got a new mechanic or challenge but it was very predictable and not exciting like "now there are dots you need to include in the path of your line" then it did the opposite where you had to avoid certain dots. And then combines the two. I genuinely cannot comprehend it. I probably have like 8-10h in it and i just dont get it...

>>741332649
>>741332708
Hi Jonathan, congratulations on releasing the demo.

>>741332797
me

I think Jon Blow is super smart. Cuz he makes good puzzles (Braid) and filters the fuck out of pretty much everyone (the witness). He also has pretty good takes from what I've seen.

This sends /v/ into a frothing rage of insecurity. Someone here really really doesn't like the idea of someone smarter than them, Blow threads are always viciously negative.

Anyway Where the fuck are the gameplay webms

>>741332815
Ok, tell me exactly what you think "graphics programming" means.

>>741332708
That is fair and i get that, i just didnt find the actual puzzles very good

>>741332797
pseudo-intellectuals and fanboys who have been sucking up to Blow for years

>>741332851
It's not a game that leans well towards expectations, just forget about it and any discussion about it and play it later when you've abandoned any pretense.

>>741332831
>autists are autistically annoyed at a fellow autist letting them down
it's like poetry

>>741332890
Hey, Blow. I don’t have a xitter account so I will ask you here. Why does your game run like ass and did you generate the art with AI?

>>741332931
Man I just hope there'll be people like you being this into my game one day

>>741332890
Where do you people keep getting this idea that Blow is super smart besides him telling you?

>>741328640
Look at the top of his head

>>741330765
>The budget figure comes from Blow's comments on a podcast, where he said the team has about 10 full-time staff and roughly 20 people involved when part-time workers and outsourcing are counted. He said the company's annual cost over the past decade has ranged from about $1.8 million to $4.4 million, which puts the total project cost near $27 million using a midpoint estimate.
salary I guess

>>741332896
I called this out earlier. He literally doesn't know.

>>741332851
It's largely just jblow's obsession with heavy intuition-based tutorialization, he likes to really beat you over the head with new mechanics to make sure you have a working understanding of them before he gives you a seriously challenging puzzle involving said mechanic. There's a lot of the same philosophy in OotSS but I'd say it's more subtle. In the witness if you aren't getting something just try going somewhere else and seeing where it gets you, all of the main puzzle areas are open to you from the moment you boot the game and you might find the clarification you're aiming for

>>741333048
people who haven't touched compiler dev think it's some esoteric black magic

>>741332851
Yes, The Witness is just a collection of maze puzzles. The “mindblowing” environmental puzzles that his fanboys talk about is just a gimmick where you draw lines in the environment. It’s a neat gimmick the first time, but gets tiresome. There’s nothing deeper to it.

>>741333047
Jblow is very explicit about his goals and ideas with his games and none of it is an accident, you should listen to his interviews and talks if you wanna learn something about game design and what makes someone truly love a game.

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>>741333048
Why would he lie about that?

>>741333047
lmao so you’re a wannabe game dev.
It’s a cargo cult mentality.

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If i were king I'd make it a rule than anyone providing strong like/dislike for the game needs to post their puzzle count. Every post here shitting on the game reads like a steam review with 0.3 hours.

>>741333101
I tried the OotSs demo but I just cant find it in myself to get excited for 500hours of sokoban

As for Witness as I said I played it 8h at least and i didnt need to look things up. I wasnt struggling with the puzzles, I just didnt find them interesting and while the eorld itself was nice that alone is not enough

>>741328640
>no physical switch 2 release
There goes that sale.

>>741333260
my guess is that you went for less interesting areas since the difficulty varies pretty wildly and a lot of the most interesting stuff comes a bit later, which beacons did you end up lighting up?
>>741333118
I'm a big fan of the game and those did nothing for me honestly, it was cool to see them but chasing them down just felt tedious

>>741333163
I have, hes pretty funny and says a lot of interesting things. I was merely saying the level of passion you display towards his work is something I hope people will feel towards mine because im in it to make human connections. Its far too easy to discount someone elses work and nitpick it

>>741333256
It’s ass. I dropped it at one of the mirror cloning puzzles which is a clusterfuck and the rules are stupid. Why does a clone dying or having too many clones make a puzzle unsolvable?

>>741333047
I hope you make something worthy of that kind of interest, the world needs more inventive indie devs

>>741333217
Far from wannabe tbqh
Have you made anything you are proud of? why so negative and trying to bring me down?

>>741330695
kek, post jblow crying in the dark after that

>>741333376
Find what makes your game really interesting and lean as hard as you can into that, never listen to normaloids saying you're cringe or too much and you're good.

Maybe im a sokoban brainlet but i played the mirror area and thought the puzzles were good outside of maybe the first 3 which were too braindead (the first semihard one for me is where you have to mirror onto a water rock) Then you start duplicating dudes and it got fun. And apparently west area is the hardest and best one? So I dunno, if the game maintains quality similar to this I think its gonna be good.

>>741333423
And this is why niggers like you should post your puzzle count. If you're filtered by introductory puzzles, your opinion should be disregarded.

>>741333256
If I were king i would make it a rule that anyone downplaying and shitting on someone else's work would need to post alongside their achievements in life

>>741333456
Why do you cocksuckers whine so much? Blow is not shy about criticizing other people’s games. Suck it up, pussy.

>>741333513
I found west area fairly easily since it never softlocked me and it's also the comfiest because it doesn't play like a typical puzzle game where you're just supposed to sit there and wonder what to do, it's more like an adventure.

>>741333514
I was filtered by how nonsensical and poorly explained the rules are, not by the difficulty of the puzzle. I just dropped it as soon as I realized how it works. It’s not a well thought out game.

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>>741333256
kind of inflated playtime since I left it running at a point but it is what it is. Absolutely great game so far, has a strong possibility to be my favorite sokoban-like on release (currently void stranger but how little respect that game has for you as a player has it kind of primed to get knocked off eventually). I'll be picking it up on launch so long as the price isn't something ridiculous, and I'm pretty interested to see how the second drop of demo content looks since I assume it'll be closer to what the meat of the game is going to feel like

>>741328640
blowjob is the embodiment of "im a gam dev" but cant even make a fuckinv fun video game.
Braid was a fucking joke, looks like something a kid on newgrounds made for a highachool project
The Witness aka, never going to be Myst or Talos Principle, hack
I dont even know where this dude keeps getting money.

>>741333513
The first few puzzles with a new mechanic aren't even really puzzles, they're tutorials to demonstrate intuitively how the mechanic work, so it's a bit unreasonable to say they're "braindead" IMO. It's like the equivalent of reading a pop-up that says how a new mechanic works but you just play the popup instead of reading text which is better design IMO

1. Baba Is You
2. Stephen's Sausage Roll
3. Paquerette Down the Bunburrows
4. (hopefully) Order of The Sinking Star

>>741333678
I can tell you're a nigger or mexican.

>>741333048
When I played Braid I thought to myself "wow these puzzles sure are clever. I could never conceive of or code this" hidden inside a little Mario Soulja Boy game

So I followed the creator on social media. And he said funny stuff like
>Google+ sucks and will fail
Just shit like that. Takes that seem obvious in hindsight, but he'd put it bluntly and be right more often than wrong about stuff. IQ isn't really a subtle thing, either you have it or you don't. If you can't tell that Blow is smart, you're probably a midwit. Feel free to list people by name that you think are smarter, alive today.
You know, Braid was a very early indie game. Few were doing it at the time, he was kind of an industry visionary.

Has anyone here ever heard of Chris Langan? He's got the highest recorded IQ, is right about literally everything. Midwit redditors despise him and spiteful mutants attack at the mere mention of his name

Some people are just smart. Swallow your massive insecure pride and accept that. It's no different than some people being stronger than you or faster than you.

I hated the witness btw. I just think Blow is smart going off his projects and the way he speaks.

>>741333647
I found west area easiest, definitely the least amount of times I was sitting around trying to figure out how to approach things. Currently I'd rank them
heroes > mirrors > promise
in terms of difficulty

>>741331579
>his forte is graphics programming
>mobile puzzle game runs at 30 FPS if you open the map

>>741330675
Welcome to the indie scene from the early 2010s, it's all a clique of faggots painting each other as the most talented devs ever.

>>741333720
Langan is smart. Terry was smart. Blow is just a narcissist midwit. I'm sorry you can't see it.

>>741333813
in terms of how fun they are to play I think it's
Promise > Heroes >>>>> very large power gap >>>> mirrors

>>741330675
post the games youve made

>>741333905
You post dumbly, which shows your intelligence.

>>741333905
why are you putting Terry Davis on there
he didn't do anything worthy of being called smart

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bought dis here new compknee
finna was called
order of the seaking
we ain't got none o dat
pokemon shit
yung draco got this shit call
soulja boy gaming nigga

>>741330675
>why is this guy paraded around as some kind of auteur and coding genius

He got lucky by being there at the start of the indie boom, and like many dumb people, he prefers to attribute his success to genius instead what most success is: blind goddamn luck.

I played chip's challenge and it sucked dick I ain't playing the HD remaster.

>>741334081
fuck you chips challenge is great

>>741328640
is that Karl Pilkington?

>>741333703
>Paquerette Down the Bunburrows
should I give this another try? The main puzzling object being bunnies with relatively complex behavior compared to something like blocks filtered me really hard the first time I did

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>>741328640
>order of the sinking
yeah its sinking alright

>>741329209
I'm a real programmer. Jon Blow is a retard. Unironically. Everything he says is wrong that's why he's so popular among newbie coders. Because he's entry level.

>>741334267
Your dumb, blind statements are easily disproven by the fact that he has released real games. You said absolutely nothing of worth and just came off as a seething retard.

>>741330675
He's popular because his coding opinions and skills appeal to the ignorant masses of newbie coders. He says and believes the same falsities newbie coders do, so newbie coders see that as relatable. He's actually tarded.

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Dude made his own programming language to make a shittier Baba is You?

>>741334406
Actually, Baba is You is one of the few games he didn’t rip off.

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Just in case anyone's still confused as to why jblow generates so much seethe, it's because he's a master chud that has been unpersoned and targeted by the usual suspects, they even did some shitty hitpiece on bluesky right when the demo was released lol.

>>741334541
Jerking yourself off on 4chan isn’t making me sympathize with the terrible state of your demo, Mr Blow.

>>741334541
I've always hated this piss drinking fag

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>>741334541
How did someone like Blow who is very capable of making incredibly thoughtful and considered games become so brain broken by Trump and COVID? Is it literally just him believing he's an expert on everything because he knows how to program?

>>741335071
I don't think it was literally created in a lab but yeah it's the morally correct thing to do to question and never forget vaccine mandates and all the utter insanity of the lockdowns and anyone who defended that.

>>741335071
high IQ but low EQ (emotional quotent)

>>741334334
If you want to see an actual smart programmer watch this video
https://youtu.be/tD5NrevFtbU?si=qMMb2dunhzgmWLNe

>>741335136
this guy is dumb

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post yfw your last name isn't blow

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>>741335136
Never take advice from someone whose game looks like this, didn't he give up on this trash?

>>741334267
>Everything he says is wrong
Can you give an example?
t. newbie coder

>>741335215
10 years in the making and abandoned

>>741335265
Jon is rarely wrong about anything he says about programming, he's just super arrogant so when he talks about non-programming stuff he turns into a retard

>>741332797
woke chuds

>>741335120
>yeah it's the morally correct thing to do to question and never forget vaccine mandates
That's fine but the retards who are constantly questioning everything regarding COVID never actually want to look at the answers because it would destroy their narrative. Blow does this a lot on his streams. He'll constantly ask why the left does X or why people think Y trump but he literally never goes beyond the question.
>never forget vaccine mandates
Yeah, I'll never forget every retarded nigger claiming their were gonna be mass deaths caused by the vaccine and 5 years later literally nothing happened

How do you end up spending 30 million on a puzzle game? Crysis cost less than that.

>>741331857
Calm down Jonathan

>>741335136
>guidelines to make code that's easy to work with are LE BAD because they can situationally harm performance
no wonder he abandoned his game lol

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"Yo, this gameplay is lit as fuck!"
-Nobody

>>741331042
I'm guessing it's actually more like a 100-200h Sokoban game based on how overblown the demo playtime was. But that's still long and I hope it will keep me occupied for a while.

Sokoban is the most boring, one-dimensional puzzle genre. The trailer made his new game actually look interesting though.

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If you want an actually good sokoban, play Bean and Nothingness. It's made by people who are actually smart in real life.

Is his videogame fun? Who here has played it? I can't imagine it being that bad because Blow is an adept programmer.

>>741336223
I do not care for your gay antagonistic framing, suggest the game again in another thread without being a faggot about it.

>>741336223
what's your problem with stinking star? it's great so far

>>741336391
It's really mid. And the insufferable writing turns the already mid game into a bad game.

>>741336484
the puzzles are introductory but very well paced

>>741330298
Braid remake didn't sell

>>741336484
post puzzle count

wait is joblo some sort of infamous figure? i am surprised to see both massive dicksuckers and haters arguing itt (and barely anything about the game lmao classic /vee/), though guess if he has a presence then here is about the most appropriate place for e-gossip
looking forward to a twitter screenshot thread somewhere down the line once the game ends up massive or simply a massive flop, and the two sides will continue their holy war there

>>741332339
>if you know the slightest bit about game development and optimization
Just because I know that nowadays devs use paying customers as beta-testers, and game becoming opimized in a few months to a year after release, does not mean that it isn't a scam.

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>>741333256
I had high expectations and they were met so far in the demo. I've played a lot of Sokoban games and this looks like it will be among the best, but it's a niche genre so I don't expect it to sell as well as The Witness. My only criticisms are performance issues, lack of graphics settings and slightly clumsy controls, but I have confidence that these will be fixed in time for the game's release. I think the publisher may have pushed him to publish a demo before he felt ready (but that might have been for the best).

>>741328640
>ok WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ME ON /v/ AGAIN
>*long pause*
>YOU'RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING WHEN YOU MAKE A THREAD ABOUT ME ON 4CHAN OK IT'S COMPLETELY SUPERFLUOUS
>*eats nuts from bowl*
>IT'S AN OUTDATED SITE BUILT WITH JAVASCRIPT OK THEY USE JAVASCRIPT
>*looks through jai code*
>*tries to make an edit*
>*slams keyboard*
>I'm done with windows
>I'M DONE WITH WINDOOOOOOOWS
>IF YOU'RE USING JAVASCRIPT YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING JAVASCRIPT. GO MAKE A NEW SITE WITHOUT JAVASCRIPT AND THEN TYPE ABOUT ME. YOU'RE SITE IS POORLY DESIGNED. IF YOU WANT A SITE THAT ISN'T POORLY DESIGNED, DON'T USE JAVASCRIPT

He is just an asshole and deserves it

>>741337235
he's right tho, 4chan is only usable with 4chanX

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>>741330695
It's Blowver

>>741331790
Braid and the Witness have no real brand recognition though. There's no way that this game breaks even. If he made this game in like 2014 or 2017-2018, maybe but he decided that it was a good idea to make and entirely new PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE (not just a fucking engine) to make a mobile game tier sokabon clone. Dude is retarded as fuck.

>>741330673
Steamchartfags are mongoloid retards as usual

>>741337235
webdevs amirite?
bro if i made a website its be so fucking great and its be so f rich
spends $30M to make a sokoban that runs at 30fps

>>741336771
the andrew tate of nodevs

>>741336771
>and barely anything about the game lmao classic /vee/
be the change you want to see (you won't)

>>741328640
North felt fun and comfy at times, but it ultimately felt meh by the end of chapter 2.

The East mirror location was a breath of fresh air, and feels a lot more interesting. Makes the North feel too basic in its concepts (not a commentary on difficulty).

>>741336771
>and barely anything about the game lmao classic /vee/
Usually that would be a good criticism of a thread, but what's there to talk about? It's a sokoban clone that overstays its welcome with 100 hours of puzzles (which is too much for a game like this), terrible writing and unoptimized to hell and back? It just looks like a poor effort on his part. The story of him spending 30 mil on it and making an entire programming language to do shit he could do with existing languages is more interesting.

>>741337809
post puzzles solved

>>741336771
he's been pretty infamous since he released braid for constantly trying to refute criticism, he then featured in notoriously pretentious indie game the movie which made him look like even more of a pretentious asshole (according to him speaking on his streams he was happy about the guy playing his game and didn't know they were cutting it like this but who knows).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqnz-7iQbY
Then he released the witness, which was critically received very well and promoted him to auteur status among many for making two very good but very different puzzle games in a row; on the other hand the game got a lot of critique for being pretentious (one puzzle forces you to sit there and watch a prolonged speech he put into the game for a full hour, there are multiple other videos from different sources and audio logs in the game which act more to ruminate on random concepts than to give an actual story), being needlessly esoteric at points, and handling introduction of mechanics in a polarizing way that was viewed as both bloated filler and insufficient depending on who you asked. There's an entire free parody game where many of the jokes are about the witness being pretentious called the looker if you want to look into that. He's also been somewhat politically outspoken in ways people don't like, which have led many (including one of the devs that gave him the rights to use their original game concepts in OotSS) to decry him. It doesn't help that he's also very opinionated and (over)confident and that tends to polarize everyone involved, and incite anger from unsuccessful developers because he's very outspoken about being ahead of most people with his coding (to the point of making his own engine for OotSS for some reason)

>>741337818
Why would I subject myself to more of Blowjob's pretentious trash after hating the original Braid 15 years ago (and even calling out the retarded ending that you were actually stalking the princess in stead of saving her)?

>>741337830
personally I like his games a lot and I find him fascinating in a way but it's pretty easy to see why some people have such a distaste for the guy

>>741330673
Yes. He needs legs and he needs love from the fans though.

>>741337323
Blow's best marketing strategy is his name, unironically. It worked for Edmund.

The problem is the type of people to fawn over artsy indie games that Blow makes are a bit lefty (not an absolute rule, but yeah), and they hate Blow now.

It'll be glorious when his game bombs
Serves him right for shitting on games thousand times better than any of his free flashgame/itch tier shit he inflicted upon the world

>>741335124
normies like you think being a programmer or games designer makes you highly intelligent but it's an average intelligence field so actually it should be....

midwit with low EQ

>>741337830
Nothing he said was related to soulja boy, you're an npc that fell for video editing. In fact he was complaining about game reviewers and journos being terrible at their jobs and misinterpreting the game.

>>741337937
What games did he shit on that made you mad?

>>741337953
>it's an average intelligence field
It isn't, being a programmer (at least a good one) is a high intelligence field

>>741337991
it's always the hollow knight fags

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>>741328640
This fool cant REALLY think that this thing is going to be anywhere as popular as anything hes made before right? Theres absolutely nothing obviously intriguing about it.

>>741337987
anon I literally addressed this and I believe what he's said about it
>(according to him speaking on his streams he was happy about the guy playing his game and didn't know they were cutting it like this but who knows)
regardless of the reality of the situation it made many people see him worse and I saw it as important to mention if I'm trying to go over why he's so polarizing

>>741338063
>who knows
Don't say dumb shit you know is wrong, what made people "see him worse" were the exact same journos continuing to be dishonest faggots.

>>741338063
NTA you are replying to, but you have to be pretty low IQ to think he is talking about Soulja Boy. The fact that so many people think that is what he is saying, shows to me how people can buy propaganda so easily (although I am not immune either).

>>741338112
People see Jon Blow as a cunt because he constantly acts like one, I don't think journalists or the movie have anything to do with it at this point

>>741338051
>This fool cant REALLY think that this thing is going to be anywhere as popular as anything hes made before right?
It's a passion project he hopes to make some money on. He spent about 10 years and 25-30 million on the language, engine and game because he hates where programming is going. I wouldn't be surprised if this were a swan song for him.

>>741338136
I have yet to see him acting like a bigger cunt than anyone who obsesses over him, it's pure NPCism.

>>741338146
>he hates where programming is going
And he's provided us with a glorious alternative: A Unity game that took 10 years to make but with worse performance

Can't wait for this to blow up in blowhard's face

>>741338175
>I have yet to see him acting like a bigger cunt than anyone who obsesses over him
Clearly you have little exposure to him

>>741332797
There are puzzle game fans on /v/ believe it or not.

>>741338206
Let me guess, you gonna mention him critiquing hollow knight or something equally retarded.

>>741338146
>He spent about 10 years and 25-30 million on the language, engine
Why?
What can this engine do that is so cool?

>>741338252
No
Watch his Twitch stream or read his Twitter, over half the things out of his mouth are just about how much everything sucks and how much better he is than everyone else
He's fucked in the head

>>741338267
>What can this engine do that is so cool?
Run at 30 FPS on a modern system despite looking like a mobile game

>>741338030
the lack of criticism for that game has always sort of shocked me, the highs are high but there's plenty of glaring shit in that like the ghost fights and a lot of side bosses being anywhere from underwhelming to outright annoying or the way the shade system actively goes against the game trying to get you to look around instead of throwing yourself at issues over and over. I could list more but I wouldn't want to rant about it

>>741338309
Watch out, you alerted the horde.

>>741338267
>What can this engine do that is so cool?
It's more about the programming language, but it's still in closed beta.

>>741337991
Elden Ring, he had a genuine autistic meltdown over that game every 3 minutes when he played it. Meanwhile his games don't even measure up to Fromsoft's PS2 output
>>741338030
I have a lot of disdain for Hollow Knight but Blow's takes are pedestrian and retarded. He's not wrong about it being too long and spread thin though.

>>741330765
Mostly just the cumulative cost of running a small studio for 10 years.

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>>741333256
Seems like everyone who liked it is a brainlet who took way too long. No idea how anyone could possibly take more than 5 hours for this. It was okay but it was very basic compared to modern puzzle games.

>>741338349
Whatever. Why was it worth millions of dollars to make?

>>741338401
because it took 10 years

>>741338391
>it took me an hour to beat the first 12 puzzles (tutorial shit)
it's so over

>>741338363
elden ring is basically the poster child for bloated open world design and from games could do with some criticism given how hard the fans overhype them

>>741338401
People are paid salaries.

>>741338449
God dammit.

WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR SPENDING A DECADE AND MILLIONS MAKING THE ENGINE AND LANGUAGE ASIDE FROM JUST MAKING ONE

>>741338349
I'm going to guess this language is going to be exactly like GOAL, UnrealScript, Sume
The creators claim that it's a revolution in game programming, only the creators use it, everyone falls back to C++/C#/Python

>>741338517
He didn't like the current choices much and wanted to do better, why are you mad about someone making a language anyway?

>>741338552
>and wanted to do better
but he didnt

Wasn't the real point of this to make his own language? The game is just a side project.

>>741338552
For fuck sake. How is it better than any current engine?
Why cant anyone answer that.

>>741338616
Why don't you go ask him instead of just arguing for arguing's sake?

>>741338616
Because it's not lol
The language has Lisp-like metaprogramming and removes a lot of C++ bloat but that's not substantially better

Why is The Overworld so ugly.
Like it looks like and endgame area that's hard to parse, just the very middle area is already a headache.

Going from The Witness' clarity to this is insane.

>>741338658
The whole game reeks of a lack of QA, I'm assuming he has no friends that aren't yes-men judging by his personality

I wish Blow didn't forget his idea for The Witness 2.

>>741338604
Braid Remastered's sales was disappointing.
He's blowing through money like crazy, paying a team of 10 people competitive salaries is not cheap for a small business.
Unless his main game is only a year or two out, I think he needs SOME cash flow coming in if he wants to keep employing people for another decade. I'm betting internally he's hoping OotSS will be a hit like The Witness so he can continue funding.

>>741338707
You just make the puzzles take place inside a 3D cube instead of a 2D panel. Not very hard to come up with.

>>741338783
>Braid Remastered's sales was disappointing.
Maybe if blowfag didn't spend that money on translators (which by own admission was infinity more expensive then just letting someone else do like MS back in the day) it wouldn't have flopped nearly as hard

>>741338604
>Wasn't the real point of this to make his own language? The game is just a side project.
Sort of, he started talking about making his own language before The Witness was done. Initially he intended for this sokoban to be a proof of the language and distribute the code under some license so people could learn how to use without just copying and selling the same game.

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>>741338652
If I had a nickel for every game dev who tried to replace C++ with a LISP like language, I'd have three nickels.
Seriously, what the hell is up with programming autists loving LISP?

>>741338897
Lisp is not very popular with game devs

>>741338783
It's so funny because it's obvious he somehow thought Braid Remastered would sell millions based on name recognition alone. He says otherwise but like most autistic people he's really bad at lying.

>/v/- teen girls and celebrity gossip
>/v/ - nigger worship
>/v/ - not playing video games
>/v/ - pol shit
>/v/ - steam charts
>/v/ - people who play games and for some reason post on a board where 90% of the posts a off topic

>>741330695
Tbh they're both failed grifters who got lucky with one hit

>>741338940
Braid didn't age well. I think puzzle games have evolved to not require timing or skill to solve puzzles. I think it's strange how Order of the Sinking Star still has real-time interactions for some reason... Leaf's Odyssey is way better with how you just press a button to advance time and time also advances when you move.

>>741332890
>Anyway Where the fuck are the gameplay webms
I recorded me playing the whole demo and put it on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/xFxQrqgi5yU
I can't imagine a game like this spawning a lot of webms. Maybe a few will be made after the full release showcasing some of the more interesting mechanic interactions.

>>741339016
>>741337636

>>741333104
I have touched compiler dev and it's worse than black magic.

>>741339152
how

>>741328640
It doesn't really matter to jblow. At this point he's a livestreamer, not a game developer.

Also, now that I see the demo is available for anybody, not just pre-orders or whatever, I'm going to play it just so that he thinks he'll get another chance at a sale even though I know I'm not gonna buy it.

>>741337927
It didn't work for Edmund. Other than Mewgenics, his games since Isaac all bombed hard.

>>741339110
How much money did he blow on voice actors ? Cause these people do not sound cheap.

>>741339336
>his games since Isaac all bombed hard.
....Ed made games outside of Issac and Mewgenics?

>>741339412
given how the financials went he didnt even hire a single one before getting publisher backing

>>741337235
LOOK HERES THE THING

>>741333678
>I dont even know where this dude keeps getting money.
The games you are shitting on sold really well.

>>741333995
NTA, but he wrote an OS. I think that's pretty impressive. Shame that he was also clinically insane.

>>741339605
A toy OS isn't that impressive

>>741339439
Exactly.
He released 3 other games between. One was supposed to be a small thing, but the other 2 went under.
He also did some heavy marketing with Mewgenics, probably afraid of it happening again.

>>741334081
Indeed. Every Sokoban without undo is bad.

>>741334264
For a 4-6 hour long demo with no replayability, these are great numbers. Going to hit a new peak on Friday when the other 35 puzzles are released.

>>741328640
this guy looks like the cyborg that dies at the beginning of blade runner 2049

yes i know thats not dave bautista, but the role

>>741335974
It's usually 2 dimensional, actually. And OotSS is 3D.

>>741338252
he was talking on twitter about the nvidia x microsoft collaboration not being interesting because its not a pc that boots directly to the gpu which makes no fucking sense if you know how a gpu works

>>741339605
TempleOS is outsider art, it's not an example of someone being a good programmer.

>>741340016
>TempleOS is outsider art
No it's not. Terry is / was a good and experienced programmer. But it's a toy OS, it's not a work of genius

>>741332797
Me, I like puzzle games. Witness was too frustrating and insisted upon itself though

>>741336269
>Is his videogame fun?
If you like puzzle games, yes.
>Who here has played it?
Me.
>I can't imagine it being that bad because Blow is an adept programmer.
There are still issues that need to be figured out before a full release.
>Poor performance (not for me, but this clearly bothers a lot of other people)
>Movement buffering is oriented towards tapping move keys instead of holding them, which makes overshooting turns very easy, especially when running
>Voice lines can cancel each other if you progress the puzzle too fast. I've heard that the option to skip the level completion dialog will be added on Friday.

>>741340079
It's more like someone who could potentially be a good programmer but wasted time an incoherent toy OS with no practical use. If there's no use it's not good programming.
More of a cautionary tale against abrahamic cults than anything, being mentally ill and religiously indoctrinated is a bad combination.

>>741340264
>It's more like someone who could potentially be a good programmer
He WAS a good programmer. If you can make a functional OS, you are a good programmer. Being a good programmer is not determined by the usefulness of what you create

>>741340302
>Being a good programmer is not determined by the usefulness of what you create
It is, in the same way that being a good artist is determined by the quality of what you draw.

>>741340349
Not really, programming isn't art

>>741334348
I dunno shit about code but his opinions on art are 50% sound and 50% contradictory nonsense so I'm going to assume the same extends to his code opinions.
It's like he's good at seeing through bullshit and reaching a logical, down-to-earth conclusion every once in a while, but at the same time he seems like a narcissist who can't see his own obliviousness.

>>741339206
I had a compiler course in university. The semester project was having groups of 2 students develop a compiler for an existing language. For me, it was Basic. This shit was borderline incomprehensible to me. We were almost a full semester late and only managed to finish the parser.

>>741340601
sounds like a skill issue

>>741340349
>being a good artist is determined by the quality of what you draw
lol

>>741333681
I mean I guess so but stephens sausage roll started challenging you from level 1. I think maybe one braindead puzzle is ok so you understand the controls and from there it should have ramped up. But this is minor nitpicks I overall enjoy the game

>>741328640
There is some kind of story and they have voicelines on every level. Does he really expect me to keep track of all their bullshit while I'm trying to focus on the puzzle?!

>>741335136
Lol its always the same with these code bro faggots. Really good at talking shit, then as soon as you ask what commercial products they have released its always shovelware trash like >>741335215
Same as sungrand studios who readily dunked on concord and how shit aaa optimisation is, then you look at their game library and its just 1 failed pixelshit with 6 total players

>>741333048
>>741333720
>>741333905
I think it's more that the average game dev and internet user IQ has plummeted. From looking at his shit, I think he's about as smart as Notch.

Most video games don't require actual serious programming anymore.

>>741341294
Jon Blow is way smarter than Notch, Notch is a mediocre programmer, Jon is a great programmer
Won't save his game from being shit though

>>741340601
>We were almost a full semester late and only managed to finish the parser.
you are kidding right? a recursive descent parser only takes a few days to write
we did parsing and code generation but didnt have time for optimizations

>>741328640
>pushmo extreme

I have a feeling this dude was more focused on making his programming language “clean”

>>741339638
>3
Only 2 I thought. Unless you're counting physical games, in which case it should be 4.
Also you're wrong. TEiN was a 2-dev game made in six months, and got ~100k sales. Bumbo, despite being a piece of shit, was actually MORE successful (though given the longer dev time still a less impressive project).
If you've set standards so high that those two count as 'flops' then you might as well go all the way and say that BoI was a flop too.

>>741329209
>I thought Blow was a good programmer or something.
The demo was built with the debug flag on for some fucking reason.

Kinda sucks that all the threads about this game are gonna be abysmal dogshit.

>>741341356
I agree, but I would point out that programming is not the only sign of intelligence I'm considering.

>Won't save his game from being shit though
Programming isn't the same as compelling game design.

>>741340601
Not everyone can hit the high notes. Keep moving forward.

>>741341765
there was pretty good threads but this OP is obviously just shitpost bait

>>741331693
Blow also says to not use OpenGL unless you like ramming nails into your fingernails, or absolutely need to support old hardware (aka older than toasters).

>>741341765
No, this is just the content drought. People still want to talk about the game, but there isn't much left to discuss. The Friday update threads will be good again.

>>741328640
There's some weirdo who got denied from the Jai beta and became a JBlow hater, he's been making threads non stop on /v/ and /g/ and probably half of the replies in each thread is himself pretending to be different people.
He always uses the same comments like how JBlow can't code or something, a completely deranged individual.

>>741342019
It's bizzare. If anything code is the only thing the dude can do

>>741328640
It's funny how Jon spent 30 million and over a decade shitting on developers on stream and then released a demo that's basically a fancy wrapper for FREE fucking games that violates every game design principle he was talking about all these years and on top of that runs like absolute shit.
He is a fucking pseud who released one good game (Braid) before. It's fucking mindboggling that people continue to gobble his shit. And somehow I don't doubt that he will break even eventually, maybe after he files for bankruptcy and the entire world learns about thirty fucking million disaster sokoban game that takes 500 hours to finish. Should've named it Order of the Sunk Cost

>>741340113
>Witness was too frustrating
You just suck ass, dude. Sorry.

>>741342019
I'm glad I'm not the only one around here with the ability to notice.

brainlet here. is the game hard? I'm usually too stupid for puzzle games

>>741328640
its not bad but its not worth the 30mill hes wasted on it

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>>741342317
Some puzzles are hard, but in Blow's own words:
>they're not hard to just to be hard. every puzzle has something interesting to show you
The demo's free anon, give it a shot and let us know what you think.

I am very pessimistic about this game doing well. I can see several aspects that made The Witness so successful, but after playing this demo, I can tell that it doesn't have the same level of appeal to a general non-puzzle-gamer audience.

I watched some other people play it and I'm shocked at how stupid some people are. They'll sit around for 20 minutes banging their head against some of the beginner puzzles where what you need to try seems pretty obvious. When Jon talks about how long the game and demo are going to be (200 hours+), it only makes sense if he has some kind of insight into the average player and it's this, but I don't see that kind of player playing this game very far and being enamored with it enough to tell their friends as much as I can see them doing with The Witness.

The fact that he has become a fairly well known streamer and has right-wing opinions alienates what I see being his biggest fanbase; the kind of "spiritual" and wannabe-intellectual people or people who like to be mystified by something that sounds vague and smart, who are 99% leftist. The economy being in absolute shambles certainly doesn't help at all. And as a cherry on top, the main character looks like some kind of Indian (one of the most controversial people at the moment) and her face looks weird and kinda ugly in the new art they're currently using, even the pose and chest armor feels stiff and awkward. Seems like it was done at the last minute though so maybe they'll revise it.

It's certainly ballsy that he's burning through multiple US tech salaries for 10 years to make things, but I wonder what his plans and expectations are. I get the sense that he's mistaken about the aspects that made The Witness successful. He talks about this game as if the gameplay is going to be special later on, but the only way this game is going to have mindblowing revelations is through gameplay too complex for the average player. In The Witness it was just seeing "it" and pressing a button.

>>741342317
What's in the demo isn't hard. It's basically the introduction areas.

>>741342317
50% of the demo is just tutorials.
But it does start getting hard in the end.

I don't get why he'd make a Sokobon game of all things to showcase a new programming language.