>takes 30% of the sales from the hard work of poor indie devsWhy is Steam so fucking greedy?
And yes, before you ask, it's okay when <everyone else> does it.
>>741373727Good. Fuck indieslop.
>>741373727>Publishers before steam took 99% of everything but lets ignore that because steam bad
>>741373902A lot of others have lower rates like google, apple, epicWhy are they more greedy than apple
All I'm saying is that if Steam was a thing when Looking Glass was making Thief games, that studio wouldn't have shut their doors due to no money.
Exactly why I exclusively use the Epic Games Store. They only take 15%, that could lead to lower game prices!
>provides them with advertising, payment processing, distribution infrastructure, an update and DLC framework
better question would by why are kikes that pay you to spout the same brain numbing rethoric over and over again ad nauseam so stupid instead
>>741373727They're doing all the work. 30% cut of 10,000 sales is better than choosing a 15% cut of 0 sales
>>741374120>that could lead to lower game prices!true
I'm going to redeem this card
>>741374212>They're doing all the workWhat work? Yacht production?
>>741373727Who's forcing them to sell on steam? Make your website and sell the game there
>>741373727you don't seem to mind taking income from hard working people for your neetbux
>make your own storefront to sell your game>keep 100% of the profitsWhoah..........I'm a fuckung genius..............
>>741374347Normgroids should be thankful to support me.
>>741374232DO NOT REDEEM
>>741373727Well the only other low barrier shops are Epic and Itch which have drastically lower users buying shit.Mobile does take a lower cut but it's just as if not more volatile as Steam.Or the only other platforms that will do well are consoles, which you can't just put games on and also take 30%.GOG is also selective if you can launch on there.
>>741374357Why doesn't valve make their own payment processor instead of bending the knee to Visa
>>741374265Weak bait. Try again in good faith this timr sharteen.
>>741373727>this thread againIt's all so tiresome.
>>741374395steam at least is providing something
>>741374523Actual banks are on a completely different level of power compared to Sweeny and company. They'd flay Gabe alive.
>>741374523>for nobody to useWho's going to get a Valvecard they have to load with cash to buy games?
>>741373727It's not greed, if a fair price to keep our lord in good mood
You can sell your game on your own website if you are so inclined. That way you can keep 100% of the proceeds.
>>741373727Buy an ad, Tim.
TO be fair, valve does a lot of work to earn that, like not moderate their storefront, add useless features, push store updates that slow everything down, take 3 weeks to reply to suppo... wait these are all bad things!
why are bots so spammy
>>741373961>>741374106/thread
>>741373727Good morning sir.
>>741374106Well, they were making imsims, which flop more than soccer players.
>>741374667Any online store could set up direct money transfers if they were willing to go through the legal mumbo jumbo for it
>>741374727Anon, that Japanese friendslop FOTM uses Epic services. Nobody uses outdated Steam services, it's only a marketplace
>>741374850Direct money transfers using what?
>>741373727Don't care, Steam is consumer first and I am the consumer, not some brown indie dev who generated 70% of his assets using AI.
>>741373727Their storeTheir rulesMake your own
>>741374161>>741374212>>741374705>>741374727>>741374742>ThEy Do aLoT oF wRoKDid you mean, they don’t work and allow malware to enter the platform.
>>741374910>Steam is consumer firstlolValve literally made steam to stop resell of half life 2, that sounds consumer first to you?
>>741374990lol lol lol lol lol (lol) lol
>>741374990>they did this thing 30 years ago that I didn't like Who cares
its ok because *mumble mumble mumble* steam is le good
>>741375070Can you resell your half life 2 copy on steam now?
>>741374990They made steam because they weren't retarded and saw the future was downloading and 100% digial.
>>741375142I would never buy half life 2 because I'm not a faggot.
>>741374967Name one platform with the sheer amount of games Steam has that doesn't have this problem. It's impossible to vet that completely, and I BTFO you in your other thread: >>741366512
>>741373727Developers can very well release their games on other platforms at a slightly lower price, and still get more money than steam due to lower cuts.Note that for nth time, they can do so when it doesn't involve selling steam keys.But want to now the bigger problem? Modding and steam workshop.Developers are fucking retarded and DISABLE workshop anonymous downloads on Steam, which means you NEED to buy the game on Steam to download mods there.This heavily disincentives people from buying outside Steam.In fact, multiple people even resort to going to that underground Russian CS forum that's actually for piracy to get mods from mod sharing threads (because other sites that rip mods from Steam might not have what you want), but the common layman isn't aware of that.
Steam makes it really fucking easy to pirate games so I'm copacetic with its existence
>>741373727Sell somewhere else, jeet.
Seriously fuck China. First they tried with soft power printing those shitty videogames chokefull of boring cultural, gay asian shit, and now they gotta go for the smear campaign.These retards fall for it every time, no matter the topic.
>>74137372730% is standard. All physical stores, all online console stores, all 30%.
>>741374990Were you even alive for PC gaming before Steam? Do you even remember what that experience was like trying to download and patch games?
>>741375142You cant resell software because all software is free.
>>741375212DLC site has lots of content from Japan which does equal the same amount of Steam.THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM.You are proven wrong.
>>741375227This is specially so for indie games, because other mod sites like nexus tend to usually have either nothing or only shit.Like, take Wildfrost for example.Lots of stuff on Steam workshop, but nothing everywhere else, and disabled steamcmd anonymous workshop item downloads.
>>741374037>google, apple,They don't.>epicThey've admitted that the 12% cut simply isn't sustainable.
>>741375439>which does equal the same amount of Steamnot close
>>741374037>its a snoy shilling this timemad about the controllers still?
>>741375179They made the pods cause they saw the future and everyone lives in pods and eats bugs!
>>741373727Because it was always the industry standard and they never had a reason to lower it.Anyway if you don't like it you have options like EGS with their 12% cut, and itch.io that lets the developer choose the cut, yes, even 0%.>b-but nobody will buy my game if it's not on steamI guess the service they offer is worth the 30% then.
>>741374037
>>741375484>They don'tThey do, 15% until you make over a million dollars.
>>741375439I'm proven wrong by your anecdote, which apparently counts as proof. Incidentally, what your post DOES prove is that you're a phoneposting third worlder.
>>741373727A man’s gotta eat.
>>741375573I don't see any pods
>>741373727>>741373727Just sell your game on your own website/store like Notch did with minecraft?
>>741375818Valve sends goons to your house to beat you with bike chains if you sell elsewhere because they're a Parcheesi.
>>741375295Reminder that a while ago Tencent's own store took 55% which actually INCREASED the better your shit sold while Timmy was bitching about everyone else's cut.
>>741374781>>74137532630%. A price so fair, it's like Valve is giving THEM money!>>741375142I bought a second-hand disc of Half Life 1 for $6 in 2008 ($15.56 today dollars) only to learn the true horror of DRM. The key was already redeemed on Steam. FUCK YOU GABE THE ROBBER!!!
>>741375982This is 100% true, but only if you sell it as a Steam key and not as a standalone .exe. They don't want niggers piggybacking off their service for less than what others pay.
>>741375672BUT ITS BAD WHEN THE PRIVATLY OWNED COMPANY THAT BEAT THE ROTHSCHILDS IN COURT DOES IT
>>741373727it's 20-30% though
>>741373727DLsite takes 30% from indie devs too but you don't know this because you are paid to shit on Valve
>>74137372730% is actually too low for getting access to 132 million monthly active users who are known spenders.
>>741373727Friendly reminder that Epic is on record as paying for astroturfing campaigns to disrupt "organic discussion" about steam.Friendly reminder that every single other distributor besides Epic also takes 30% and no one online talked about it until Timmy brought it up (after saying he believes astroturfing is valid free speech)
>>741377034Friendly reminder so is steam
>>741373727What's up with this coordinated campaign to shit on gaben and steam lately?
>>741377148anon saying he is a mod doesn't mean he is a mod and moot left 4chan 15 years ago.
>>741374523Gaben would legitimately get assassinated
>>741377312who nose...
>>741377350He sold it in 2015.
>>741377597It's 2026
>>741373727>b-but other companies with shitty services don't rip me off
>>741377350>the guy with valve staff pass isnt valve employee, its all a ruse
>>741375672Kek, I'm 100% sure that if Steam charged less than 30% they would be accused of unfair competition.
>>741375672>actual journalismholy crap, I'm having a hard time believing this
>>741374265If successful companies stayed small, focused, and private, all of their staff could afford yachts too instead of feeding the insatiable demonic shareholders
>>741373727Epic has a much lower fee, but Timmy is a braindead mongoloid and refuses to think long term enough to invest in developing a worthy competitor to the Steam store client, so devs are stuck with coughing up 30% to Gabe if they want a real chance to sell their game.
>>741377629That's 11 years. 2015 is also later than that post, even though I think the guy wasn't a mod. The posts are all suspiciously 1 minute apart, and he likely deleted his own post.
>>741377942You are really bragging about a company doing less for the consumer to focus on giving luxury to their few members that dont make gamesValve can staff up, make more games, give out quicker updates and patches but you care more about them getting yachts
>>741377685Valve pass for The International is given to anyone working at the event and they're probably thrown in the trash afterwards.
>>741378171I don't care what they do with their money in the slightest, I'm happy to give it to them because I like their service, I just think not giving your money to demonic jewish shareholders is much better than doing so. Many of us would have yachts if our employers were that smart.
>>741374523Did you forget what happened to Maduro a couple of months ago? or Gaddafi?
>>741378262proof
indie games are shit anyway
There are plenty of things to criticize Valve for (The absolute state of TF2 despite still making dough for the game, their inconsistent moderation process for accepting games, the absolute state of the gabecube etc.) but everyone focusing on the 30% and price parity (for steam keys) are such fucking morons.
>>741378324>Many of us would have yachts if our employers were that smart.lol no you wouldn't. You would be FIRED so a high up can get a yacht, thats valve. Don't hire developers and make no games. Your current boss is nice to let you have a job over firing you to buy a boat
>>741373727>I'm glad taxes have been abolished>hey, why is the road so shitty and full of holes>hey, why is all the foliage around town overgrown>hey, when are we getting some roads or walkways over to the new plaza>hey, why aren't the busses or subway running>hey, why isn't the fire department putting out my house fire>hey, why aren't the police arresting the guy who shot meThis would work better if the government weren't corrupt as fuck and abusing taxpayer money
>>741378502Valve employees are millionaires.
Reminder that steam&gaben is under atack by the jews because they refuse to help fuck over gamers.
>>741378502Has there been any news of mass layoffs at Valve? From what I know, per employee, Valve employees make shitloads annually.
>>741378502Post nose right now, shlomo
>>741374523Because even if they started a competing middleman Visa and Master Card could very easily pull some strings and blacklist Valve from every single bank in America and possibly broader, making Valve's middleman processor useless AND crippling their ability to, you know, store their money.
>>741373727The amount of seethe Valve generates for not being a (((public))) company is hilarious
>>741378502>shareholders GOODyou're not going to win a single soul over here with that you dumb bitch, go post your shit on reddit or something
>>741378725Yes.In 2014 most valve veterans left, and after we got a lot of millionaires in there! Who cares we lost the developers who made games like portal, half life, L4D! At least the few that stayed got rich!
Just don't sell on steam
>>741379026People leaving of their own volition is not a layoff you disingenuous faggot.
>>741378502>Don't hire developersDidn't they hire the Risk of Rain devs to work on a new game?>make no gamesAren't they making a new game with the Risk of Rain devs? I hear it's pretty popular and it's been getting lots of updates
>>741378926>>shareholders GOODNo one said that retard, learn to read
>>741379095Yeah bro they just all left the same time for no reason, they just said i dont want to be a millionaire and stormed out
>>741373727>>741373902>get advertising with a meticulous tag system that let you reach your public>actually get as much visibility as "AAAA" game>don't have to manage payment>don't have to manage distribution>get community features like newsletter, forum, screenshot showcase, workshop...>isn't forced to participate in sales>can still sell their games anywhere else>don't pay more than any other game companySound like a good deal,I'm convinced these threads are actually made by Steam-shill because they know Steam is easy to defend, they pretty much invented digital store and supported Indy gaming.In comparison EGS act like a mafia mob, treat their public like sheep, still have shitty search functions so only their sponsored games get visibility. If they spent their moneys on a better store instead of bribing dev for (timed) exclusivities, said developers wouldn't have felt ashamed of "selling out" to EGS.
>>741379096I don't know if they are working on anything else but I know they are part of the Deadlock team.
>>741379314
>>741379202You saying they left doesn't mean they did.
>>741379260Now defend valve threatening to pull games if they put their game on sale on a different platform :)
>>741377312
>>741379509good for consumers
>>741379564in what way
>>741379564How
>>741379509How many times are you gonna keep repeating the same poorly worded argument when we've already discussed how it actually works ITT?
>>741379648Forces same low price on steam that they're trying to put on other store.
>>741379463You being ignorant on the matter doesn't mean anything
>>741379509This argument is bullshit by the way.GOG has sales on games all the time, sometimes the base price is just outright cheaper.Epic games can have games selling FOR FREE despite not being free on Steam.Don't get me started on Itch.io.Dumb nigger faggot.
>>741379520This, valve outjewed the jews in their own game and now they want blood. All the jewish proxies worldwide atacking valve now is just proof of this.
>>741379745Can't back it up? hmm
>>741377685>A printed piece of paper is evidenceTimmy is not sending their best
>>741374357>>make your own storefront to sell your game>>keep 100% of the profits>>spend 50% your money just trying to reach your public>>ultimately get less money and less time to develop your game than if you paid Steam 30% for a better serviceAdded the lines you forgot, "genius".
>>741379751Yes because they're all standalone programs and not Steam keys tied to the Steam service, but "people" can't read no matter how many times you tell them this. The prices only have to match if your game is on Steam and the 3rd party sale involves Steam keys.
>>741379724That benefits Valve, but how does that benefit consumers? They can already buy the game at the same low price elsewhere.
>>741379798google it ignoramus
My only worry with steam is not them being evil & greedy, they aren't.It's what would happen is they BECOME evil & greedy and no other shop remain to compete.
Right now there's someone shitting on Steam on /u/'s videogame general thread.There is no way it's a coincidence.
>>741379906>but how does that benefit consumers?I just told you. Steam has the majority of consumers and your hypothetical dev is trying to gouge them for more money. Valve thankfully steps in and stops those shenanigans or they cannot sell on Steam. Win for the consumers.
>>741374221Turns out it doesn't.
>>741379973Yes it would be easy to google it and print out my own copy.
>>741373727What’s a publisher’s normal cut?
>>741373727They can sell it themselves and keep 100%. There's no benefit to selling on steam right?
>>741379751>>741379905The argument comes from the most recent updates in the wolfire v. valve case where wolfire presented email correspondences from a valve dev saying that the prices had to match even for non-steam versions of a PC game. Valve denied it. I don't think there's been any updates since then but it looks like a bunch of he said she said that the judge will have to decide on.
>>741379990At least I got GOG and the high seas if something truly goes wrong, but it will probably kill me getting any new games again.
>>741380149Do it and show us
>>741379990I used to have faith in GOG but it has been on hard times.
>>741380280If that really is the case then that's interesting, because again there are a shit ton of games I can point to that have regular sales on their games that do not have the same sale on Steam, then on top of that there are some where the base price is overall cheaper. Not to mention Humble Bundle.Logically, it should mean a rogue employee going against the grain (Wouldn't surprise me, just look at the game acceptance process and how wildly it can vary), but I guess with that it would need to be a case of looking over multiple examples of both sides.
>>741380026>Steam has the majority of consumersSteam's customers aren't locked to only buying games from Steam>your hypothetical dev is trying to gouge them for more moneyif a platform takes a 15% lower cut than steam and the dev passes the savings onto the customers for that platform, they're not making more money either way. The customers already won.
>>741377827>Kek, I'm 100% sure that if Steam charged less than 30% they would be accused of unfair competition.Reminder that it's proportional and if they charged less, the devs would charge more to remain around the prices they know consumers will pay.But Steam is famous for it ridiculous amount of sales, it's hard to find games that didn't sell 50% off if not 90% off.
>>741374232>>741374460SAAR, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
Why do gamers care about devs so much? Why is this so unique to videogames and almost nothing else. When you go to a movie or watch a tv show do you think about how much the director and tv crew or making or how much of a cut the producer is making.Seriously like fuck off I dont care at all. Sell my game at the price im willing to pay or fuck off im not buying and I dont care about any excuses why you are charging more.
>>741380947>When you go to a movie or watch a tv show do you think about how much the director and tv crew or making or how much of a cut the producer is making.There was a headline about a disgruntled crew member from Obsession literally a couple days ago.
>>741379509Why would I defend something that never happened?Developers can actually sell their game themselves cheaper while ALSO selling on Steam. It's insane since it's basically Steam providing free advertising over the chance the consumer don't check if they could get the game for free.
>>741380440I suppose, but the person involved wasn't a random low level customer service rep, it was someone higher up in the company. I forget who and I'm too lazy to look it up and post it here because digging through court records is tedious. I do remember that the email was like, a decade old or something. So maybe it was an old rule. But there's also the fact that Valve purposefully had a lot of stuff from the case redacted from the public record...take that as you will...
>>741381230I guess with that one it is a "Wait and see" because there is so much contradictory information being put out there and opposing pieces of evidence that you would need to sift through it all to find if it is the majority of cases or the minority of it.
>>741373727>poor99% of indie devs are nepobabies with millionaire parents
On what did EGS catch up?(I don't care about the whole list, but having a superior game search system, offline play and a wishlist that work in concert with suggestion system are big one)
>>741381464Social media bloatware
>>741373727>Why is Steam so fucking greedy?Do the competing storefronts have their own workshop yet? Maybe EGS should charge 30% too and use that money to make a service that isn't dogshit.
>>741373727>the steam taxdevs are the biggest gamers of all
So we are going to have daily anti-steam threads everyday now?
>>741381464>>741381538https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicGamesPC/comments/1u9bkk1/epic_games_store_roadmap_for_2026_and_more/LMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>741381464>valve turns stream into facebook>this is actually a good thingneck yourself steamdrones
>>741382216Why did you link reddit instead of just stealing the image? I'm not giving your reddit community traffic. Go back.
>>741382306>turd worlder doesn't understand interacting with people other than running from machete wielding cartel members
>>741374232>You can no longer buy the cards to redeemIt's a sad day, saar.
>>741382379>if you don't worship valve you're a third worlderas i said neck yourself you corpo worshiping faggot
>>741373727Because 100% of 0 is still 0, ya dingus.
>>741374523>go against the (((global banking system)))there were a few guys that tried, didnt work out great for them
>>741374523Gaddafi tried that and look what happened to him
>>741374523You know how many regulation boards and banks you need to jump through? That's system specifically designed so that other competitors aren't able to make a foothold to keep the cartel going.
>>741382607>turd worlder seethes about being called a turd worlderName a better store than Steam.
>>741382720>Name a better store than Steam.GOG
>>741382772>slow downloads>pitiful selection>games are out of date in a lot of cases>no library sharing ("BUT YOU CAN PIRATE YOUR GAMES YOU PAID FOR!")>have to hoard games because it may die
>>741382716What? That can't be? Almost as if large corporations lobby and deploy anti competitive practices to destroy all small businesses so they can keep their monopoly?So why the fuck do all retards say embarrassing shit like "Just don't use steam" or make your own store?
>>741382959SageWhat are you talking about nigga.I'm talking about payment processors.
>>741382959Because it's proven you can sell outside of Steam. Some of the biggest games aren't on Steam. Indies sell on Itch. GOG makes a $40 profit every year. Just because Epic is floundering doesn't mean excluding Steam will cripple you.That said, the reason Steam will win is because the buyers are there. It's not an uncompetitive practice when the end user chooses to use it.
>>741373727I've been getting monthly pocket money from Gaben for years now, completely passively. I would've been getting jackshit if it wasn't for Steam and its algorithms shilling my game to people.>Y-YOU DON'T KNOW THIS!!!I do. Consoles don't bring me monthly revenue anymore, because their storefronts suck and do a shit job bringing the indie games out to people, unlike Steam.
>>741383106steam thread>>741383162>Your honor, steam is not engaging in anti competitive practices, they just happen to remove people's games from steam for trying to sell them cheaper elsewhere
>>741382720Any store without malware like Nintendo or Sony, all their games work unlike steam
>>741373727No one is forcing them to sell their game on steam.
>>741373727Gayben could have a complete monopoly of gayming if he reduced the tax to just 5%
>>741382007gayben beat some kikes in court and refuses to go public with valve so now we all have to be annoyed
>>741383353>>Your honor, steam is not engaging in anti competitive practices, they just happen to remove people's games from steam for trying to sell them cheaper elsewhereExcept they don't, and that statement is unrelated to what I said. >>741383403>second time in this threadI already replied to you in this thread and your other thread: >>741375212>it's not me>it's just some other schizo who pulls grievances from a hat to bitch about Valve>casinos for children!>VAC banned for running FRAPS!>banned from forums for saying the nigger word! freeze peach!>>741383462That would be anticompetitive, as Steam's market position and undercutting the competition would combine for an unfair advantage. It would be monopolistic.
It's fine,I don't need more proof that this board is mostly professional shills,I made up my mind like 10 years ago
>>741383353you can sell your game at whatever price you want elsewhere, you can't sell steam keys at a lower price than on steam. but why am I expecting honesty from some jeet that a rothschild is paying a penny's worth of poo to?
Steam ain't stopping them from selling their exe's on their own self-hosted websites
>>741383856Visa aint stopping valve from making rheir own payment processor
You will own nothing and be happy
I can't wait for the a decade of conspiracy theories when Gabe gets assassinated.
>>741383353Ive consistently bought cheaper shit outside of steam for nearly a decade now
>>741383916Their own payment processor doesn't solve anything.
I wish steam had a monopoly, I wish every other store was forced by law to shutdown. Gaming would be better then ever.
>>741384208It stops Visa from cencoring games
>>741384334pedo games will always be illegal
>>741373912this.indie games are all AI slop nowadays, the times are over where indie devs are creative and do everything by themselves.
>>741384515They're not illegal by US law, though, and US law is all that matters.
>>741384631neither by japanese, most of SEA, most of Europe and all of Latam laws, its just fucking Visa getting what's probably some godly dick sucking and ass from Australian feminists psychos
>>741384631They clearly are that's why visa is protecting it self. Valve payment processor will face the same issue.
>>741383462>if he reduced the tax to just 5%They'd lose massive amounts of money, though, consoles on the other hand wouldn't because everything is paid in those, even the users' internet connection capability.But I guess steam charging 30% and then giving everything for free is bad, but consoles charging 30% and then charging sever capability fees and in the beginning even 3k$ for pushing an update, plus a monthly fee for players to even connect online, is much better because consoles don't have an store monopoly.
>>741384791No, that's reputational risk. There's no federal law forbidding it, and there's a couple state laws that will get struck down once they're tested. To have a crime, you need to have a victim. A naked drawing or 3d model can't be a victim.
>>741383462It can drop to 20% with good sales. Nobody else does that.
>>741378359>>741382715The it's up to Gaben to continue the socialist revolution. But for gamers!
>>741374106If I was on that publishing board it wouldn't have gone down like that. I'm just saying.
>>741385030I trust the best lawyers in the world for the billion dollar company to navigate the law complexities of this issue more than pedos on 4chan mad their pedo game was taken down sorry.
>>741383771>you can sell your game at whatever price you want elsewherewhy are you lying?btw Valve's excuse for this is "we don't want our customers feel like they don't have best experience" but that's just flowery corporate speak excuse to prevent people from selling cheaper at other stores or doing sells at their own website
>>741385210So where did those best lawyers say it's illegal?
>>741385224ya they don't like devs gouging their users while still benefiting from all that steam gives them. The customer agrees.
>>741385305When they advised Visa to stop funding pedo games or it is a huge risk to the company.
>>741374523Visa and mastercard are legit monopolies and proactively fuck over any upstart. Valve may be rich, but not rich enough to go into banking. On that note, given enough knowledge and resources, it can carve a niche if done right; Sony Corporation in Japan has a banking branch, and it persists somehow.
the "steam is service' niggers need to shut the fuck upthey are store, they are middle man, they are merchants. nothing else.>>741385320customers only care about getting the game. by doing this shit steam is denying better deals for pc gamers. they are working against our benefit
>>741385224Games are on sale for prices lower than steam all the time. Epic gives them away for free. If you want to sell STEAM keys, you have to use steam prices.>>741385431>ouryou're indian, we don't share the same interests
>>741385431>customers only care about getting the gameWithout being gouged.>they are working against our benefitThe devs trying to gouge steam customers are yeah.
>>741385431>by doing this shit steam is denying better deals for pc gamersGames are practically free. The only people who need better deals are poors, and we restrict healthcare to them in hopes they'll die.
>>741385431if you were right, aquajeet, then epic wouldn't be a subsidized failure and gog wouldn't be so broke that it got sold offand piracy would destroy everything since it's free gamesyou know nothing, people use steam precisely because it's a good fucking service
>>741385513>dev also wants to sell his game for cheaper at his own website without paying steam tax>customers now have an option to buy the same game for cheaper without retarded steam drm bloat>fat gabe cunt says no, that would hurt his profits so less yachts>this is somehow good for customersvery well
>>741385412What about Valve? Why did the billion dollar company host the games in the first place if it was illegal?
>>741385676Valve has also taken down pedo games.
>>741385671>valve should take the reputational damage of retards listing their games for $1000 on steam and linking to their own services because... le yachts!!!
Why the fuck would devs make their games cheaper?They hate the 30% cut BECAUSE they get less money.
>>741385804>least disingenuous steam drone
>>741385753I just installed Nekopara After, when is Gabe getting arrested for distribution?
>>741385753BECAUSETHECREDITCARDPAYMENTPROCESSORSLEANEDONTHEMDUETOREPUTATIONALRISKYOUDUMBDEAFFAGGOTWHOISGAYANDCAN'THEAR
>>741385832they get more money on steam than they do on gog and from consoles
>>741385903Nope. Because it's illegal.
>>741385224>>741374221
>>741385671if the dev has a hateboner for steam and doesn't want to pay the steam tax then then why even try to sell thereagain there is nothing stopping the dev from selling their game off steamit is only steam keys used on steam tied to the steam price. you can sell your game off steam for whatever price you want.the steam "tax" exists because steam fronts the cost for cdn servers to download the game, steamworks for matchmaking, store listing and exposure, etc.you can whine all you want it but they have the platform and they can control the policy of their platform. they don't exert control outside of their platform. you can sell whatever the fuck you want however you want. steam keys are worthless strings of digits outside of steam.
>>741385940If it was illegal, it would have been removed from people's libraries, and Valve would be liable for continued distribution of illegal material. But it's still available to those who bought it, and Valve isn't liable.
>>741385940If you open this you violate the law and should go to jail.
>>741385804you literally can't advertise competitors at steamthey are inherently anti competition as are all big corporationsgrow the fuck up. i swear it's always neets and IT/stem autists defending corporations and thinking gaben is fighting jews
>>741386023It was never distributed .
>>741385857>d-d-doesn't count!!!!why should anyone be against steam protecting their customers? because you're upset that your dinky storefront doesn't get pity sales?
>>741386047>competition is when you hate steam but you need to still list the game on steam
>>741385903They did it before credit card companies told them to nimrod
>>741386021You can not break laws. You are not meant to employ anti competitive unethical policies. But I guess if you have fuck you money you can just do about anything with 0 punishment. HOORAY CAPITALISM
sure are a lot of threads crying about steam lately
>Valve should take less of a cut, they're being too greedy>YES SONY AND NINTENDO DESERVE TO CHARGE 80 DOLLARS FOR GAMES, GET A JOB POORFAG
>>741384565What do you play
>>741386082There have been games pulled from Steam due to content you claim is illegal, and they're still available. If I stop selling crack, but still let people come pick it up if they paid, I'm still distributing crack and breaking the law.>>741386034>people of the jury, the defendant willingly drew the stick figure loli in lascivious situations, and is therefore guilty of molesting someone who doesn't exist
>>741386218unethical is trying to use steam for all its benefits while trying to undercut them and not pay their cut.
>>741386325It's okay to swindle bigger companies cuz they are bigger and can take it up the ass and I dunno probably uses extra cash on performing satanic rituals, why not.
>>741386325No, you don't believe that shit. Do you also believe banking cartel or credit card cartels are ethical? No. You think they are greedy fucking kikes. It's only Valve you tolerate because you are a brainwashed retard.
>>741386307>There have been games pulled from Steam due to content you claim is illegalThey were denied during the application process before any sales.
>Valve is not jewis-
>>741386412>>741386434I accept your concession.
hello I like steam I like valve
>>741386434third world mindset lmaothere's this thing called high trust society, look it up, it means you don't have to hate everything and adopt the swindle or be swindled mentality
>>741386507You accept jew cock up your ass, drone
>>741386218how is it anti competitive. you still haven't answered this. you keep implying steam having rules on how their platform can be used is anti competitive, but that's ridiculous.you can still set up your website and host the game file on your own website or literally any other platform. that's what a publisher does, and you don't want steam to do it you are free to choose that option.steam sets rules in their own store and that's their right. if I run a lemonade stand and I let all the other neighborhood kids sell lemonade from my stand, I can tell them to fuck off from my stand when they try to use the popularity of my stand to direct customers elsewhere. I have every right to do that because I am using my limited time and lemonade stand space to list their lemonade. but they can set up their own damn stand in front of their own damn house at any time.quit fucking baiting you moronic nigger
>>741386571You fight for gouging scumbag devs nigger
>>741386532helloi dont give a fuck about anything. just where i buy the cheapest shit
>>741386564The fuck has that have to do anything with what you are replying to? Do you think banking cartels are ethical too? You fucking don't. kys retard.
>>741386598>valve drone hates video gamesfigures>video games bad, 30% good, yacht goodthese niggers call themselves pc gamers
>>741386580Nigger, no one gives a shit about your literal who lemonate stand. Go shove that up your ass. We are discussing monopolies here, something you are too stupid to comprehend.
>>741386647it means that you're seething about steam because you just can't accept that they provide a good service
>>741385753Are you sure?
>>741386580In the end he's just fishing for new ways to diss valve cuz he holds some autism-compelled grudge. It's a very debilitating mindset, pity him.
>>741386647I don't believe price gouging devs are ethical
>>741386792see >>741385431
>>741386760please explain to the class how steam has a monopoly on game publishing when alternatives exist. you can list on itch, you can list on epic, you can host an ftp server you sell the password to. you are salty that steam has a large market share. they have a large market share because they offer a service that is convenient for people to buy from, and also convenient for devs to list on.
>>741386694valve's cut is better than gog and consoles, why are you crying? because they're not copying timmy's retarded business decisions?
>>741386643hello I still like steam and valve
>>741386846>oy vey you are denying me steam tax, this is economic terrorism109 countries and counting kike
>>741385753Are you absolutely sure about that?
>>741386870>what's 2+2 and don't say 4you're mentally ill and just want to be mad
>>741386904you're literally talking to an epic shill
>>741374523You're on a list now just for saying that.
>>741386961huge tits
>>741386903>how steam has a monopolybecause of their anti competitive practicesif they stop doing that shit they'll quickly lose their monopoly status but they'll never do that, they'll instead hire shills to spam internetyou don't become monopoly by being ethical or lawful
>>741385671>dev also wants to sell his game for cheaper at his own website without paying steam taxhe can, just not with steam keys. He can sell an exe with no issue
>>741386959Don't price gouge or get off steam. You lose.
>>741385753How sure are you?>>741386998>shota content isn't "pedo"There's a loli in the game that isn't previewed anyways.
>>74138706518
>>741387051We all lose with steam. How come PC gaming became shit when steam became popular? Before steam's empire PC gaming was the shit. Every classic predates steam's popularity boom. HMmmmm
>>741387031>people will leave steam and start using timmy's lemonade stand any second now!!!
>>741387119You think a "billion dollar lawyer" would buy that excuse? Just look at Australia.
>>741387150>We all lose with steam.We all win because they fight for the best prices and you're trying to stop that.
>>741387119Won't fly in backwards hellholes like Australia.
>>741387031name a single anti competitive practice that's not a store policy>you can't sell steam keys for less than the steam pricea steam key has value only on the steam platform. it exists because of the service steam provides, steam can dictate the price of their own service. pick another one.
>>741387150but steam is responsible for pc gaming booming?games are more accessible, easier to develop than evervalve is freeing people from microsoft's jeeted OSwhy am i losing, aquajeet?
>>741387186>>741387210Well It seems to be working I'm sure Valve has top lawyers too.
>>741387259>valve is freeing people from microsoft's jeeted OSWindows is better than ever, though. Why do valve shills keep pushing this lie?
>>741387119Oh SHIIIIIT this game has high schoolers, call the fucking FBI and send Gabe straight to jail!
>>741387340not realistic like the banned games
>>741387320>Windows is better than ever
>>741387031>if they stop doing that shit they'll quickly lose their monopoly statusWrong. People buy games on steam instead of getting them for free on epic.People are willing to pay more to have a game on steam.
>>741387031>because of their anti competitive practicesNotice how the Timmy shills are always deliberately vague with these statements because they can't actually state things that can be addressed directly.
>>741387178Sadly shills literally believe that
>>741387348Well, I'm glad you guys can stop screeching about loli games then since we've cleared up the difference.
>>741387376That's how detached public company executives are. They think by annoying people on the internet they can convince us to believe lies.
>>741387421The only thing that matters is risk of lawsuit and if loli is that then it will go too.
>>741387395Tim is so close to making EGS worth a damn, but he just doesn't. I'm truly incredulous.
>>741373727Why are leftoids, trannies, faggots and redditors so obsessed with hating Steam?
>>741387320Windows is shit. I’ve used windows since 1996. I game on windows exclusively. I primarily work on windows. Windows 11 is garbage and truly deserves 100% of the hate it gets
>>741387320lolnigger, microsoft's rape of their users is broadly talked about in the normalfag sphere nowif there's anything that's better than ever, it's linux
>>741387519Love windows it just works.
>>741373727And there is still trash games uploaded to steam
>>741387527>>741387519>>741387362>windows is le bad>why? Because lord gaben told me so!
>>741387259Interesting. You are conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room: All pc only classics predate steam boom. After steam boom pc became the console port/emu platform for poorfags. Is that something to be proud of?
>>741387638because i've used it you fucking faggotwindows treats you like a child and you're not actually an admin, you need to muzzle your computer like it's a mentally ill niggerbulli'm not using that piece of shit ever again, jeet
>>741387656if that's the case then why are you baiting avatarfagging with a post-steam game character?or I assume she is, because the only tranime i recognize there is nepgear
>>741387656>old games predate steamdo you want a pulitzer prize for writing that insightful?who gives a shit, faggot? what level of retarded nonsequitur is this?
>>741387831>steam shill is racistOf course.>>>/pol/
>>741387941You waited that long to pull the race card? LMAOing @ (You) rn
>>741373727If it costs the same in other stores, why would I care? I'm looking for my own savings
>>741387831Enjoy endlessly tweaking linux just for it to be 25% as useful as a windows PC.
>>741387941>saar please do be accepting vignesh he generated ai code it superpower!!!
>>741388038so now you're just guessing what my experience is?funny, all the seething about muh monopoly but then niggers like you come out and defend windows based on absolutely nothing but their own ignorance
>>741388141We know what your experience is you pathetic nerd. Windows does what Linux can't.
>>741388217no, you know nothing and just repeat rumors, winjeet
>>741388282You know the Linux struggle well my friend and the constant frustration when Linux isn't supported.
>>741388334>my friendhello saar, do not redeem da linoox
>>741388404Did I hit too close to home?
Make your own store
>>741388434no, you have never used linux and are just repeating rumors you heard in your jeet filled office in mumbai
>>741388530Oh yeah I'm way off. Haha
>>741388581you chose to sperg out, stopped seething about steam and defend the most jeeted corpo on earth unprompted how insecure lmao
>>741374523Just build you own payment processor, bro.Just build your own bank, bro.Just build your own currency, bro.
>>741374656Why don't they accept payment in crypto?
>>741373727>another thread where tim and his horde of browns seethe about extremely banal things and that people refuse to use a significantly worse platform that they refuse to put any fucking effort into
>>741374221but shills keep telling me that you cant sell games lower in price than on steam??? these threads wouldnt be filled with lying and dishonest people would they...
>>741390950Theres been an uptick of epicshills because of the new unreal event
>>741391249yeah, i read the event thread the other day and have noticed it too. Seems extremely uninteresting and has only hardened my will to simply ignore UE all together like ive been doing for a few years now.
>>741391439UE6 is just Timmy begging devs to put their games in Fortnite. It's fucking trash.
>>741373727Probably jewish. Functionally jewish. A good list of people who don't deserve to live could be derived from those who use steam.
how the fuck do devs even survive this jewery?gabe takes 30% and taxes are like 40%, so when you sell a 10$ game you get like 3$?
>>741392210because it's the best cut in the industryyou get 70% and it can go up to 80%by comparison with gog you get 70%, with console digital you get 70%, with physical you get 50%
>>741391678ive seen in here and other threads that they do have something like that already but ive never heard of it before the last few days. Seems like theyre trying to move in on roblox/gmod/s&box (lmao). I dont understand what the fucking point is. UE is free to use, and from what posts ive read here, its barely functioning with a lot of issues when it comes to actually making games. Nothing but absolute doshit slop comes out of these save some pretty impressive roblox games and gmod. I hate tim and unreal so much its women. Just a spiteful and bitter faggot that cant be happy with his already massive over portioned plate and needs to constantly look over at everyone elses to make sure they dont have more than him.
>>741392317>because it's the best cut in the industryNot true. Based Tim only takes a 12% cut on game sales on Epic Games Store
>>741392668get back to me once timmy's lemonade stand proves itself as a business model then you can bring it up
Taxes deduct from your gross profit IE what steam gives you after taking their cut, so after all is said and done it's more like you get $4.20 from a $10 game.
>>741392668>participates in actual predatory practices like paid exclusivity on a platform thats supposed to be open and freesorry tim, never downloading EGS because of this even if it ever becomes better than steam (it wont). Ill just take my free games at my leisure on rutracker or wait for it to come to steam.
>>741373727No steam no buy. Your choice indie
>>741393198
>>741392668No one fucking buys shit on epic
>>741393083Steam also engages in exclusivity by keeping Half-Life Alyx exclusive to the Steam store.Also, Tim is conserving forests by purchasing vast tracts of land, primarily in North Carolina and Virginia, and donating them to conservation groups to protect them from development. His goal is to preserve wilderness, biodiversity, and natural habitats, which he has been doing through his company, 130, an LLC focused on conservation efforts, making him one of the largest private landowners dedicated to conservation in the region. Notable contributions include the donation of 7,500 acres in the Roan Highlands and helping to protect the 7,000-acre Box Creek Wilderness area, which is home to over 130 rare species.
>>741373727Just don't use steam if you don't want to pay them. What's the big deal?
>>741394685>Steam also engages in exclusivity by keeping Half-Life Alyx exclusive to the Steam storeanti steam posters continue to prove that they dont understand the things theyre talking about constantly. Steam isnt buying /other/ companies games out so that their players have to use steam like EGS does because its such a dogshit store lead by a complete crybully faggot like tim.
>>741395098They brought Firewatch developers Campo Santo. Stop defending them, they did the same thing as Epic.
>>741395098Valve paid Atlus to keep the Persona and Shin Megami Tensei games exclusive to Steam.
>>741373727I just feel more sorry for those poor hard working devs who use ai. They too will have to give steam 30%
>>741387434You people believe that stupid story because facts hurt you and make you look like a fool for supporting the corruption of Valve.Facts- Steam is not safe, FBI, cybersecurity and we normal people told you.- Valve has committed to illegal activity across the world.- They do not support open source projects. All products they support are profit oriented and locked into Steam Ecosystem.They are the bad guys.
>>741396060fucking kek
>>741396083>a company is driven by profitWHAT? FOR REAL!!!?
>>741373727If devs don't like it there's nothing stopping them from using another store. Sell on Epic. Sell on GOG. Sell on Itch. Sell on your own website. Nothing's stopping you>but steam won't let me choose the price on other storesSo cut Steam out of the deal. They're only as dominant as they are because devs don't have the backbone to say no to steam users
You really do hold a petty grudge, hot damn.
>>741378592All those things are already happening with taxes
>>741383353Hearsay
>>741396220You miss the part where they did not help you. Without lawyers, you will never gotten free refunds, you won’t be buying fair rate on Europe, Steam Controllers would be cheap Chinese plastic and you couldn’t class action sue Valve without their justification to benefit them. Apologize.
>>741386503is he actually jewish or is this just years of wearing glasses/getting old?if so, he's probably the only jew that hasn't been a piece of shit
>>741387320I'm hearing every week that ms broke something with the latest update, is the bar really that low to consider this good?
>>741385224What you have is not official policy, and most likely a response to Wolfire being the scammers they are and overinflating the steam price to discourage users from buying there
>>741397348The price parity requirement is clearly explained by Valve itself in their steamworks pages.
>>741397526For Steam keys
>>741397348You only say that because you believe in Reddit misinformation. Valve has made big developers paid less while smaller creators get no benefit.https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/1697191267930157838
I am not using your dogshit malware of a store, Tim.
>>741397218Hyperbole. Windows 11 is far from perfect, but linux shills like to lie about how Windows update replaced their video drivers with mayonnaise and how it takes 400 clicks to get to an option on the desktop operation context menu AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FIX IT.If you're not retarded, Windows 11 reasonably works well with annoyances so minor there's no reason to freak the fuck out.
>>741397602What does that have to do with off steam prices?
>>741397108>spends an entire life being a piece of shit>"actually he is not piece of shit"This is what happens when you get all your opinions from memes instead of reality.
>>741374727Until you learn you have to pay a percentage of every CC transaction and have to deal with all the other headaches that come with handling transactions. But I guess you could have everyone pay with cash in the mail.
>>741397598And salesand base pricesand dlcand yadayada
>>741397893>And sales
>>741397893Source?
>>741374897carrier pigeons obviously.
>>741397893Sales of steam keysAnd base prices of steam keysAnd steam keys for dlcAnd yadayada
>>741373727>provides free distribution>provides free online infrastructure>provides free extra stuff like achievements, forums, trading cards and point shop items>tanks the refund costs>provides payment infrastructure>provides free work on proton to make your game accessible for more people
I still like how these faggots are calling people corpoglobohomonepoipsofacto shills, but they're sucking the cocks of all the companies making the games with the "THINK OF THE POOR DEVELOPERS" line.
The man on the left is neat, well groomed and has a friendly face and friendly body language meanwhile the man on the right is overweight, ungroomed and untidy, couldn't even bother to button his shirt and has messy facial hair and looks unfriendly
>>741398305He's just like me
>>741374037apple makes you buy a fucking mac and iphone just to have the privilege of building and app for them and then pay yearly fee to keep your app on the store.
>>741398305>the green river killer looks friendly>santa claus looks unfriendlyThis is what life in the third world does to someone.
>>741398305the man on the left hates you
What I learned itt:>use Steam>use GoG>commit piracy>install Linux>bully Tim Sweeney>rob Tim Sweeney>buy free Epic games on Steam
>>741398305Fat people are always inherently evilThe guy at right doesn't even care about his own fat percentage why would he care about well being of others?
>>741373727>get into a retard fight with the family>demoralization intensifies
>>741395734Source?
>>741398305Sweeney is comically evil desu
>>741399795Less evil than gabe
>>741373727Everyone does this, except on the other stores they fucking annoy you to hell and back."Waaaah! you need to swap X and O when running the game on japan!Waaah! you need to support the 15 different kinds of spanish! Waaaaaah! no reason at all but we don't feel like passing your game this time around"
Gabe should charge 15% for a store page, and 15% of every steam key then just let them set prices how they want, where they want. They get their 30% from steam sales and they don't get fucked by devs using them for free marketing
>>741400156>nooooo the other stores have standards!!!!!lol thats why steam is the only store that sold malware
>>741373727It goes toward scientific research. Gaben is letting you play games so we can build underwater cities.
>>741400245Its going to neuro chips for your brain so you can join the Internet of Bodies where you live in a Matrix and your body is used to process AI for robot armies
>>741398550YupNow you can save yourself from these future shitshows
>>741400231>nooooo steam has games I don't like!!!!!Steam doesn't sell malware, retard. People slip it into workshop uploads. You'll see the same shit on a lot of mod platforms
>>741401236>Steam doesn't sell malware, reta-ACKsee >>741383403see
>>741401843NOT DASH FPS!The game with less than 300 sales and was fixed within a day of the malware being uploaded. If anything the fact that they fixed such a small shovelware game so fast only strengthens steam security argument
>>741402263>ermm a little malware is ok cause it only affected an arbitrary number of people that isnt me lmao
>>741401843>"suspected" malware>steam took it down and notified users as soon as possible anywaySounds like they're doing their due diligence
>>741402493See>>741383403People lost a lot, and lets not forget that tons of scammers existMost scammers of any platform
>>741383403>cryptofags get robbedBased>>741402678accounts hackedDo you know what a phishing scam is?
>>741403396You're actually defending malware, why though?
>>741403564Because you're gay. Do you know what phishing is?
>>741403615Other platforms dont have a phishing problem nor malware gamesYou see how steam is shit for having these
>>741403564Seeing the people who fucked the GPU market get harmed brings me great pleasure
>>741403740Yet you support Gabe despite supporting AI and drove the prices upWhy?
>>741403704Other platforms don't have anything of value to phishers. What's steam supposed to do about it anyway?>>741403974Don't get it twisted. AIfags getting fucked would make me happy too
>>741373727>>741373902I allow it.
>>741403704I don't care what has a phishing problem. If you fall for that shit you should have never been allowed unsupervised internet access in the first place
>>741404053>Other platforms don't have anything of value to phishersThat just shows other platforms are better steamie. Steam has crypto tier lootboxes where most the money comes fromSteam is mostly money laundering
>>741404183>you bought a random game on our store? Well you deserve it!lol steamies
>>741403974No one hated AI back in 2018Fucking OpenAI was just used for shit like dota matches with pros
>>741404345Phishing is literally asking someone for their credentials through private messages. You can't get phished by buying a game. You're just as retarded as the people who fall for it
>>741404482Yeah no one hated it cause you were ignorant and naive>bro i don't know until it affected my job and got fired!!!!
>>741404524>You can't get phished by buying a game.Literally already proven dumbass, i posted an article of a game on their store that put malware on computers and stole money. Its not phishing
Whats the point of this thread
>>741404681I'm aware. The crypto theft was malware. The account hacks were phishing.You aren't going to convince me to care about cryptobros losing their funny money
>>741403974Here's a hot take. AI wouldn't have happened without crypto
>>741404828Daily antisteam jeet seethe thread
>>741404896>bro its ok for scamming cause it affected people i dont care aboutNo one cares about your opinion, steam sells malware end of story. Its a shit store
>>741405087Covid and cryptoAll of it was planned
>>741405115But most jeets use steam and valve employees jeets too>>741405115
>>741405210>its a shit storeYet you advertise steam for free, good job idiotGaben won and you lost
>>741403704What other platforms faggot? Other pc storefronts have so few users they aren't worth targettingIf you want to compare it to cucksoles that's because they have no freedom or real control over the hardware and the ability to upload malware is a negative result of having that freedom It's a retarded crime that leaves a digital trail to the perpetrator and it's literally impossible to guarantee a game doesn't have malware without the source codePc software was always trust based and if you're downloading random shady shit that's on you and you're underage
>>741405259>But most jeets use 4chan and 4chan employees are jeets tooYour point? Go back to whatever shithole you came from, dishonest nigger
>>741405259Wrong on both counts IndiaTotal Bytes: 19.7 PBAverage Download Rate: 55.7 MbpsPercentage of global Steam Traffic: 1.0%https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/people
>>741405210>I don't care aboutWhy wouldn't I care? They cost me money. You cause me problems, I don't give half a fuck about your problems>it's ok for scammingCan you repeat that in English?
>>741405516good morning
why does /v/ hate valve now?
>>741405721why should I trust your retarded source that conflicts valve's website?
>>741405365>If you want to compare it to cucksoles that's because they have no freedom or real control over the hardware and the ability to upload malware is a negative result of having that freedomOh no im not getting malware sold to me, i need the freedom of being scammed
>>741402479This but unironically
>>741405806>that conflicts valve's website?proof
>>741405884Read what you replied to, jeet? Did you miss the fucking link?
>>741405778Paid shills, already brought up here >>741377034
>>741375672It really is hilarious that people are trying to sue Steam for a literal industry standard
>join the most popular online store for advertising and distributing games>30% is a large sales cutThere's a reason you're unemployed.
>>741406013>You gave up freedom for securityHow when i an secure while you got malware and scamners on your platform
>>741406218Complete ESL failure Read the post again
>>741373727Buy games from key resellers instead. That way you support the devs better and Steam gets nothing. Don't support the greedy landwhale!
>steam sells malwareMost of them sell kernel level anticheat
You lost. Get over it, Kike.
>>741406328Matter of fact a few of steam's competitors have spyware built into the client
>>741406443Thats why you pirate and dont use steam or other stores dummy
>>741406705But anon, piracy sites distribute malware
>>741406705>Famously malware free torrents and rips.
People take for granted how much work Valve actually handles for devs. Like, there's a reason every major publisher stopped supporting their own personal launchers. Great, you avoid Valve's 30%, but then... are you doing 30% more work to handle transactions, customer support, hosting, blah blah. Maybe not exactly, but it's something indies wouldn't want to deal with.
>>741406802So no different to steam lmao
>>741406218english language board>>>/int/
>>741407626Sure. I do my due diligence with steam games and it works out for me. Same as with piracy. Although when scene groups are putting crypto miners in their installers I can't see how you'd trust piracy at all
>>741397806well lets see it, what did he do
>>741405778tim sweeney i think
>>741373727>takes 30% of the salesJust wait till you hear about grocery stores, and literally every other type of shop (you fuckin retard)
>>741406958steam's 100$ is already too much for a real indie when better alternatives existridiculous 30% tax is icing on the cakeyou would expect tax to start from 0% and go up towards 30% as game makes millions of dollars but opposite is the case where triple a gets the best deals (20% or less) while indies are ripped not to mention 99% of indies don't turn profiti can't imagine a more hostile environment for indies than steam, i genuinely can't. any other platform is better in every way
>>741409964>i can't imagine a more hostile environment for indies than steam, i genuinely can't. any other platform is better in every waySteam has the best discoverability for indies and consistently has the highest rate of indie hits (even modest ones) compared to every other platform.
>>741374523Jews
>>741409964you get that $100 back if your game doesn't flop and Steam's split is better than what anyone else offers
>"If you hate Valve jew practices it means you're Epic/EA/Tendie/Sony/Etc shill!"Why everything has to be console warring tier autism? Pcbros are fucking retarded. Go suck on Newells obese cock if you love him so much
>>741411180Because none of the arguments fielded against it ever make sense
>>741411180I feel similarly to >>741411679There's always room for improvement sure, but many of the arguments people make are incredibly asinine or blatantly misleading, and it's hard to imagine a normal functioning human being making them.
>>741374854>Anon, that Japanese friendslop FOTM uses Epic services.no it doesnt
>>741409823The anti-valve shills, probably Rothschild funded because he lost in court, think this line of appeal is a good reason why people should hate valve. If that's the best they can come up with then they have nothing.
>ITT: 12 year olds don't realize literally every kind of retail store take a 30% margin
>>741374854Every game that uses epic gay services for multiplayer has huge issues while steams services for p2p just fucking works.Satisfactory comes to mind they were pushing Epic hard and it just never fucking worked. Second Steam came into the picture shit just worked.Funny.
>>741411180OP is the one being consolefaggy and failing to convince people why Steam is such a fucking problem. They are not a perfect service, but they are the objectively best service. If you just don't vibe with it, there are viable alternatives. You are ultimately complaining about fucking nothing.
>>741409823Restaurants are much worse. You need a 60-70% markup to cover costs>but they provide a serviceJust like Steam, MS, Sony, Nintendo, etc
>>741395709>they did the same thing as Epic.Oh, so you can't buy firewatch from GoG or on consoles?Ah, it seems you can. You are quite the midwit, aren't you?
>>741404681>Literally already proven dumbass>dude download this game on Steam dude>the game: I suck and fuck dicks for $5 and no quality garbage shitwareLMAO yes Valve should have better quality control I agree but there's nothing to prevent this happening on another platform.
>>741412357>Satisfactory comes to mind they were pushing Epic hard and it just never fucking worked. Second Steam came into the picture shit just worked.fake and gay
>Sell your game on steam>Easily sell more than 30% of what you would have otherwise>Thus Valve's cut is worth it and moreShrimple as that
>>741398241Refund costs on Steam come out of game profits. Unlike on Epic where you pay for refund costs.>Steam>you sell 2 copies of faglord for $100>Steam takes $60>you will get $140>someone refunds>you now get $70>Epic gay store (we'll use 30% because fuck it)>same scenario>someone refunds>you get $60
>>741412508There was a whole shit storm about epic gay services and you aren't required to use it anymore on the Steam version because it sucks so much ass.
>>741412583>he thinks steam anit-shills can into economicslmao
>>741386287Enshrouded
When Gabe Newell retires, I fear for Valve's future.
>>741412680The shills are just there to spew retarded lies, get btfo, leave the thread and immediately start another one. It's what they always do, the only thing that can get them to fuck off before their contract runs out is the jannies not being literal communist trannies, but they are all feds. If I post a single racial statistic picture, I get a ban in the next 2 minutes. Meanwhile those obvious shills raiding and the years long spammers like the log fag on b never get anything. This website was fucked forever when gamergate had the jews replace every janny with their feds.
>>741401843They need to do the same with every Call of Duty. It's all malware sold by an AAA company at full pricehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmfRuMYVHus
>>741374357100% minus server costs minus payment processor fees minus new staff hired to manage the web store etc
>>741373727>console manufacturers take 30% and make you pay 500+ for hardware so you could pay for online>steam takes 30% to give you the best gaming service in the world, making consoles obsolete, all while single-handedly keeping trillion dollar corporation from owning a monopoly on gamingThat's a pretty small price to pay honestly. Would you rather dev's and publishers paying 60% to physical retailers like in the past for you to stand in line at a store with a bunch of walmartians?
i had to use EGS to install unreal engine and it still feels like the very earliest release of a program full of placeholder stuff. instead of hiring one hundred lawyers timmy could hire 1 guy to work on it and make it not shit
>>741374831>>741374106LGS was in financial trouble for a variety of reasons, none of which were really because of "immsims". They had an insane amount of programming talent from MIT dropouts/grads and were doing a number of concurrent software simulation projects at once (actual simulation shit, not tabletop immsim stuff) while burning through money. From what i understand, much of it didnt really have a use beyond 'this might be cool to put in a game later'. They had a lot of staff waffle around making software and assets while the rest of preproduction stalled, so whatever did get done would need to be heavily adjusted later. Then a couple of poor selling releases by their publisher and the fact that LGS overpromised and didnt deliver shit on most of their supposed projects tightened the leash on them big time. Their staff got completely decimated midway while working on Thief 1.Go back and look at old interviews with LGS devs about their time working in 97-98. Theyll namedrop other devs that left or were fired by the publisher. Then look them up on linkedin. Actual CEOs, founders, or lead engineers of specialty simulation/data companies. These guys were always too smart for games.
>>741411831>BLASTPHEMY AGAINST OUR LORD>YOU ARE LYING
>>741419129As if any more confirmation was needed that it's slop.
>>741385671if you want to sell it cheaper on your own site, remove it from steam
>>74139266812% cut on 0 is still 0
>>741409964>go up to 30%then you would complain that successful indies are punished for selling well on steamget the fuck out of here with that bullshit
>>741373727>epic doesn't take the 30%>game prices remain the sameturns out the publishers are greedy too and since I don't get a price drop either way why should I want them to get more money?
>>741406102They moreso honed in on the price parity thing now.
Tim Sweeney has been trying to force a loss lead for eight years and hasn't accomplished anything.
>>741373727Why do retarded socialists have so much trouble seeing the value in providing access to over 150 million customers trained to spend money on vidya?
>>741375672BUT VALVE IS PRIVATE AND ACTUALLY DOES SHIT THAT'S BENEFICIAL FOR PC AND CONSUMERS WITH THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY COULD BE GIVING IT TO THE JEWS!
>>741420448He has accomplished something - he trained an entire generation of gamers who collect free games on EGS.
>>741373727Timmy doesn't pay you retards enough. What is, like 5 cents per hour of shitposting?
>>741373727Because they can. EVERY company charges what the think will lead to most profits, yes, even steam
>>741420448Tim Sweeny is seething because Roblox is killing Fortnite.
>>741398241Actually it cost $100 USD, your claim of “free” disregard the fact that paying to upload a single game each isn’t part of the process. Not free.
>>741402493It took the FBI to make Valve do something. Valve is the bas guy here, they took money from criminals and lied about safety.
>>741422642Do you know what the word refundable means?
>>741404183>Wanted to support indie dev>Steam “that’s a criminal who put malware”>Random 4chan says don’t support random indie dev>Complain about not having new games or better quality contentThis is you guys fault, if you held Valve Corp responsible for allowing criminals to upload content instead of ignoring the problem and believing Valve Corp, none of the current gaming problems would have happened.
>>741422829And Timmy runs the second biggest skinnerbox dark pattern nightmare aimed at children.
>>741375672This, but physical stores also have to deal with GST, WST (wholesale sales tax on luxury items up to 40%), currency exchange rates and import taxes.
>>741373727Honestly, being able to appeal a ban would be way more valuable for small developers than a lower revenue split.
>>741422868If you achieved it, indie dev haven’t got 1 million sales or returned investment of $100.https://fungies.io/indie-developer-market-2026-complete-analysis-data-trends-forecasts/So according to data science, 90% of indie devs. Do not get their $100 back. Once again, your claim of free is not trustworthy.
>>741423017>allowing criminals to upload contentbut they can't do that and those games get taken down with no mercyit's a crime already, what the fuck else do you want valve to do?
>>741423470Do the thing they promised and check the games. What part of Valve lying to customers safely for profit, do you not understand.
>>741423616and how would you do that, you tech illiterate moron?
When and why did /v/ start shilling for the Chinese state?
>>741423347Is this an ESL moment? Holy shit. I can’t even decipher what you are trying to say.
>>741423687>Billion dollar company can’t afford to hire cybersecurity specialists nor can they willingly pay people to QA games.Anon, that’s stupid. No wonder the FBI is asking victims to file a complaint. Itchio at least has something, Valve has nothing.
>>741373727It was literally invented to stop half life 2, a six hour single player game, from being traded in/sold/loaned out despite, y'know, it being a 60 dollar gameGabe is the reason PC gaming is dead
>>741424227PC gaming is more alive than it has ever been. I remember the days where I was desperate like a console gamer for the latest releases, and it hasn't been like that for over a decade on PC now.
>>741424227>Gabe is the reason PC gaming is deadDon't blame other people for the fact that you're poor and brown. PC gaming is alive and well in the USA.
>>741424174>hire cybersecurity specialists to screen every single game on steamor how abouthear me outnot downloading random shit that's giving off red flags, you moron?how old are you?
>>741424469Did you not read? >>741423017
>>741424640>wanted to support indie dev>just happens to be a Chinese one nobody noticed until a streamer got his crypto wallets emptied
>>741424640you're completely illiterate and don't understand just how much overhead would have to go into verifying each and every single fucking gameyou fucking moron, uploading malware to steam is a crime and it's an easily traceable crimeyou're a phonejeet and should stop posting, you don't understand the fundamentals of how computers work
>>741423030>b-but muh CS2 casino!Valve hasn't released a new lootbox in nearly 2 years while Fortnite has literal child casino wheels with brainrot games.
>>741425009But they don't take 30% or VAC ban schizoanon, so it's okay.
>>741398305You're blind
>>741424946Begone zoomer, 4chan is an adult website.
>>741425695>says the retard that hasn't used a computer before 2010 and doesn't understand the basics
>>741425695>40 year old zoomer calling someone a zoomer
>>741424423Yes, 'renting' them is alive more than ever before.Owning them, is basically dead thanks to Steam
>>741426094>my plastic license is better because... i can get a refund for it
>>741425884It was you who said you can’t read in the span of 3 post. That’s zoomer level reading. It’s cybersecurity and data science too advanced for you, because that’s high school level reading.
