The current dynamic of modern game discourse is so fucking weird. Everywhere you see threads and videos videos gloating about how this is an epic win vs the woke opposition, but when you actually try to look for that opposition it barely exists. Seriously, the trailer was overwhelmingly well received, and the only people complaining are literal whos, who are instantly getting dunked on. So what's going on here? Are people unable to express excitement for something unless it's framed through the lens of a culture war?
least obvious marketer thread
A lot of people are mentally stuck in 2016.
Yeah, you can't just enjoy [thing]. Enjoying things for the sake of enjoyment is cringe anyway.Everything always needs to be a statement about how you win against some opposition, dunk on some perceived enemy, or how you are so based for liking the thing. You need to signal to the world that you are better.Because going outside into the real world, accomplishing something here, building something, establishing yourself as someone, is hard and takes real effortIt's of course easier to win when you invent an enemy, or make them appear a bigger deal than they actually are.
>>741434579if only there was a solution for that
I have anti-anti woke fatigue
>>741434579>and the only people complaining are literal whos,That's what the epic win is, because those people did not use to be literal whos. It's exciting that finally those people can only impotently cry about the game.That said, the game doesn't actually look good. I don't think this is actually a big deal in the culture war or in gaming because it's a mediocre title. It's just the news makers trying to make news by fitting everything into the larger trend.
>>741434579>the trailer was overwhelmingly well receivedStellar Blade sold peanuts outside of the bugmanopshere, and this one will too. It's not a game for humans.
>>741434579Nuance doesn't exist anymore & people can only approach all aspects of reality via tribalism akin to a football match. You are either on red team or blue team & you have to behave like a stunted, emotionally volatile imbecile who supports the exact opposite of [other team]. And if you don't do this, then "your" team might lose.
>>741434821You know the anti-woke fatigue meme was really effective if anti-wokies have to set this up so early in the thread
>>741434579>but when you actually try to look for that opposition it barely existsHave you been living under a rock or something? The opposition only existed because social media platforms banned anyone pointing that out in the first place.
>>741434980You lost
>first devs neglected gameplay and just added woke characters and people would blindly defend it from criticism >now devs neglect gameplay and just add coombait characters and people will blindly defend it from criticism I just want good games, man. Stellar Blade was fucking ass, the gameplay is dumbed down "press x to awesome" shit with 0 depth.
>>741435037I beat you tho
>>741434987What the fuck are you talking about? Post 5 people with actual influence over the industry (big streamers/youtubers or mayor devs) speaking up about it. You literally can't. It's just kotaku spergs and xitter bots, whose opinion literally NOBODY gives a fuck about.
>>741434579You are completely correct.
>>741435293Nobody gives a fuck about it now, but think back 5 years and they literally controlled the entire industry.
>>741435405That's the whole point of the thread. Time has moved on, wokefags lost but the anti-wokefags are desperate to continue the culture war, because they care about it more than the games.
>>741435535>wokefags lostWhere? Woke is still here. Cube of war exists. Females are still ugly
>>741434987Even Asmongoy was whining about this game being for pedos recently, there has been some whining.
>>741435642Asmongoy always has shit takes, especially when it comes to things like jewish influence.
>>741435535I think the real point of this thread is that your retarded culture war was pointless since it doesn't matter to the majority of people and it never has
>>741435535Well first we didn't know that we were winning until these stories dropped, and we are winning, but we haven't won until good games are actually being made and institutions are firm in doing things the right way again. Wokefag can bounce back if we let off the pressure, every company wants to go back to the old status quo and is only trying non-woke things because they're forced to. Most of them still have the people who caused the problem on their payroll.
>>741435868especially true for stellar blade because the overwhelming majority of people who will buy this are chinks who can't even access twitter or much less read whatever the fuck western twitter is talking about.
>>741434675If this one shot of her where she really looks like a little boy wasn't there, there would probably be half as much criticism.
>>741435638>Woke is still hereThere will always be retards, but it doesn't matter if they lack influence. >Cube of war exists.No idea what that is. >Females are still uglyEvie is hot.
>>741436041I think what especially got people talking was the baby face and the surprisingly really deep voice. It was a mood whiplash for a lot of people. They probably shouldn't have used the english dub.
>>741434579Covid broke a lot of people
>>741434579It's marketing, anon. The rule is that if the game gets marketed with a fetish alone it's gonna be mid at best.If it's marketed with several it's gonna be bad.SB was marketed on hot kpop bimbo and was mid. Sb2 is marketed with a hot tomboy and is also mid. Nikke is marketed with every gooner fetish under the sun and is a worse t2 the arcade game. Dei games are marketed to gays, trannies and cucks and also all suck.
>>741434579>that opposition it barely existsEvery western country's govermentEvery western country's legal systemEvery western country's mainstream mediaEvery western country's education system and cultural eliteEvery payment processorThe global banking systemEvery big corporation with their ethics and hr departmentsEvery retarded woman, male feminist, lbtqbraap+, brainrotted jakkerzoomer and useful idiot bible thumperEndless amounts of unaccountable globalist organizations, foundations, trusts, watchdogs, lobbyist groups...And last but not least the ultimate parasite pulling all the strings, I do not even need to name it because everyone will recognize it from this description alone.It totally doesn't exist bro
>>741436246All anti-vaxxers turned into massive schizos.
It's literally the same thing as the first game. Minimal opposition drawn up to be the great enemy that they can defeat.
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>>741436515Holy victim complex.
>>741436681Hey. Genius. Actually fucking read this post. This person doesn't hate the game at all. They hate YOU.
>>741436370The SB2 trailer is unironically 75% combat and yet people only ever talk about is the character's face.
>>741436770Exactly. They hate games that the wrong people like and like games the wrong people hate.
Reminder.
>>741437054No. Seriously. That persons reaction to the game is "this looks sick", the only negative response is to you and your behaviour. They do not hate the game. They literally just hate you.
>>741437061I mean virtually every game these days are copying each other so I really only play games that look nice to me.
>>741437061Every time you made those threads you got made fun of for caring about a twitter poll with clearly disengenous categories
>>741437130Wrong. They hate the game because the wrong people like it. They are not allowed to like the game, because their ideological principles won't let them. And even if they did like the game, their peers wouldn't let them praise it. Because it gives power to the people they hate.
>>741436681>>741437054Wow, a subredditThis is HUGE. The amount of influence this subreddit has is OVERWHELMING to our mission. Our great enemy NEEDS to be defeated.
>>741437237>Wrong. They hate the game because the wrong people like it.You can read the damn post. It says right there "this looks sick". They do not, in any way, say that they dislike the game. You're literally just letting your persecution complex overrule objective reality.You are mentally ill.
>>741435638>Woke is still hereThe perception that woke is still here will remain for as long as there are literally thousands of grifting idiots like that twitter addicted Grummz faggot whose whole careers depend on twitter and shitting out reaction videos claiming that woke still exists.
>>741437061That's not the dunk you think it is.The woke design is the blocker. It could be "woke design videogame" vs "staring at paint dry" and I'd rather stare at paint. But between a good game and an average lewd game, I'd always take the good one.
>>741437304Correct. There is no great enemy. A subreddit like GJC has zero power or influence. Reddit itself is a very uninfluencial platform. Twitter is where the real power is. Same with Tiktok and 4chan.
>>741434579Woke/anti-woke is the ultimate truth. Everything in life can be distilled down to these two things. Once we establish if something is woke or not woke, further dissection is not needed.
>>741437304The subreddit says out loud the things that the people hired by developers say behind closed doors.
>>741437470>there is a GREAT CONSPIRACY but it is HIDDEN IN THE SHADOWS but if we interpret the redditors correctly we can uncover it!
>>741437381They say the game looks sick. They don't say the game "was" sick. The image of the game and its association with wrong people won't even allow the poster to buy and play the game, because that would be giving power to their enemies. The also couldn't simply make a post praising the game without invoking their enemies at the same time.
>>741434579>but when you actually try to look for that opposition it barely existsAh I see you haven't played a single game in the last 15 years but you have an opinion. Very cool.
>>741437440>Same with Tiktok and 4chan.Blud thinks he's still part of the team lmaoNah lil bro, you literally eat twitter's shit
>>741437548It's not a conspiracy, because they're so open about it.
>>741434579so many bot threads/comments about this game.its clearly censored with a femboy main char.this shit will flop.
>>741437667That's true. 4chan is the worst place on the internet for original content. That's why we're here spending our time on it instead of x or tiktok.
>>741437548It's not really hidden in the shadows, the subreddit is just one way to get a look at it. They say these things outloud on twitter in accounts directly linked to their job, they say them at all the conferences like GDC, their consulting firms constantly say it, they've said it through marketing, they say it in the games themselves. The subreddit is just the place where the most extreme of them will say it the most candidly. I would never compare it to a conspiracy, it's a popular culture and philosophy that is deeply corrupt.
>>741437767Most anons here have reddit and twitter open in other tabs in the first place. Why do you think people are always in the know on whatever the fuck happens on twitter?
>>741434579It was the same with stellar blade, hardly anyone cared it was well received sold millions well enough to get a second game. Yet people>>741434715Yeah this is it.Maybe 2014 really
>>741434579the first game was gookslopthis will be gookslop too
>>741437615>The image of the game and its association with wrong people won't even allow the poster to buy and play the game, because that would be giving power to their enemies.The actual answer is also in the post itself. You just need to learn to read what people write, instead of what you imagine them to write: They're put off by the shit yall have been writing about the game. They can't disassociate the two anymore.> The also couldn't simply make a post praising the game without invoking their enemies at the same time.That's just a question of where they make the post. It's not a generic gaming subreddit. A post that just praises SB would be correctly removed for being offtopic.
>>741437815You're right. 4chan is just a place for people to share what's going on over on the other platforms. That's where they spend most of their time. 4chan is just where they can monetize the engagement on other platforms.
>>741436115>No idea what that isGod of War Laufey with the wacky talking cube named Frank.
>>741437702I haven't played Hades 2, but Hades 1 dangled the cutest most lovable girl in front of you, then preached at you about how how wrong it is to want to marry her and make her the happiest maid in the world, so I don't believe for a second that Hades 2 got romance right.
>>741435642iirc, he wasn't whining, he just said "it's not for me."
>>741437846>They can't disassociate the two anymore.Exactly. They hate the game because of who likes it. If they actually just liked the game or what they saw of it, they'd have gone on to buy and play it. And they wouldn't bother making a post on GCJ associating the game with their enemies. They would just make a thread somewhere else to talk about the game they played and how much they liked. But that's not what happened. They wanted to persist in associating the game with their enemies instead of just trying to enjoy the game separate from the culture war. Because the culture war and its battle lines are more important to them than just enjoying a video game.
Because people are conditioned to use the internet to serve the algorithm and that has bled into how people use 4chan, whose format has no algorithm and only works based off people posting in its threads.Hence the obsession with an "enemy" that doesn't really exist or is basically just like a single digit number of people with twitter posts that get barely a few hundred likes at best blown up into some giant crusade.
>>741434579wokies don't matter because they don't even play games. Look at all the woke games that came out recently most of them didn't even break 1k players on steam. They are just a loud minority on social media. The funny thing is they are providing free marketing for the games they don't want to succeed.
>>741434579almost like before they were all screeching and now they're aware enough to not open their stupid fucking mouths as much
>>741438030That's what he initially said but like every dumb eceleb he couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut and got into fights with his own audience on twitter and got into a debate on what a real loli is, and said that Evie looks like a kid while Freiren is an adult according to him.
>>741437961Hate to break it to you, but GoW was ALWAYS dogshit slop for peak normalfags. Literally DMC for dudebros.
>>741438096>They hate the game because of who likes it.No. You're stiill not reading the words they wrote. They're right in front of your eyes and you close your eyes and hallucinate instead.They can't enjoy the game anymore because of the image you have given the game. Not because you liked it, but because of the way you talked about it and branded it. Because you centered the entire discussion 100% of "Eve is hot and so fappable and look at the ass". That's the part they can't disassociate from the game anymore, and why they can't enjoy it anymore.
>>741434579Videogame discourse is only a terrain for braindead retards with nothing better to do than shit out their mental dirrhea on the internet to do just that, its only purpose is for people to enjoy some tribalist sentiment, arguing and insulting a few individuals. 90% of the time it's a proxy for poltiics. It's very obvious that most of the discourse about any particuliar game is always dominated by people who haven't played the game and will never play the game.
>>741435642why are you lying? Here's what he actually said>Evie looks too young in that first frame and her voice doesn't fit her appearance>in the rest of the trailer she looks fine>still thinks Eve is hotter>he liked SB 1 gave it an 8/10 and he's gonna play SB Blood Rainthat's a reasonable take. The loli discussion has nothing to do wie Evie.
>>741438257Ok.. and?Just play the fucking game and either enjoy it or not, who gives a fuck. Don't you understand the discourse itself is the issue, not the game? These people are sick. Can't function without validation from other sick redditors
The big fundamental problem is that people are able to make a living by pushing culture wars of any kind. Outrage drives engagement, increases profits.
>>741438435Motherfucker you're here begging for validation from anon, maybe stop chucking those rocks.
The reality is that this is all marketing.The first steller blade has sold millions of copies. Most of those people most likely don't have ANY social media besides maybe an email. It's all fucking ragebait because that's what's popular nowadays
>>741438434The loli discussion is him saying that evie looks like a fucking child and it completely soured him over the game. Notice how he not once since mentioned the game ever in his recent streams becuase it has befome such a toxic topic meanwhile he would always namedrop stellar blade 1 to dunk on woke games.
>>741434579Woke never had support of people, it had support of moneybags which is why it was so dangerous in the first place. You're really dumb if you can't even see that, OP.
>>741438483NTA that was arguing before, I just can't conceptualize why anyone is arguing about what someone cares about online. Who gives a fuck. Will you think of me when playing the game? ffs
>>741438257Ah, ah, ah. You're the one hallucinating. That GCJ post doesn't explain what the "image" is that the right gave the game. So, you can't say that. What that screenshot does say is that "this looks sick" referring to the scene from a trailer. That means the poster couldn't even be bothered to go and play the game for fear of being associated with the people who liked the game: The "Gooners and "The Right". Because that poster hates those people. And they can't be allowed to buy and play and enjoy a game that people they hate are enjoying. >Because you centered the entire discussion 100% of "Eve is hot and so fappable and look at the ass". That's the part they can't disassociate from the game anymore, and why they can't enjoy it anymore.That's their problem. Maybe it's cause they spend a lot of time on subreddits like GCJ where all they hear about the fans of the game are that they are gooners and rightoids. Maybe they should just pick up the game, play it, and ignore GCJ. Ignore the social media discussion around it entirely. But they can't do that, because a fun video game is less important to them than being part of the culture war. Additionally, what kind of person is unable to enjoy discussing how hot EVE is and how nice her ass is? Everyone loves hot chicks and nice asses. Oh, well.
>>741438493How would it be marketing when all this drama only affects people who were never going to buy it? Meanwhile some chink who has never heard of gamergate is buying it the moment it comes to steam becauese it has a hot chick.
>>741438587again, why are you making shit up? Is this some 2nd hand information you're parroting?
>>741438014Wait, it actually preached at you about that?
>>741438678>That means the poster couldn't even be bothered to go and play the game for fear of being associated with the people who liked the game: The "Gooners and "The Right". Because that poster hates those people.No. You are, again, making shit up. Read it again. Go back and read.> Maybe they should just pick up the game, play it, and ignore GCJ.That's about as likely as you learning to ignore redditors.> Additionally, what kind of person is unable to enjoy discussing how hot EVE is and how nice her ass is?Some people are just put off by vulgarity, and the discussion surrounding the game is very vulgar.
>>741438678It's getting really cringe now.
wtf is this shit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnTnFpOTPIM do these fake gamer boomers and zoomers understand that games like these weren't non issue back then fuck fake gamers and tourists they are ruining our hobbies
>>741438710Because he made a mess of himself on twitter? It was massive fucking drama last week unless you were living under rock. His own audience were calling him out for being a hypocrite and now even the koreans hate him for being racist against evie.
>>741438173That's nice. I've never played one, I was just explaining what he was referring to.
>>741437061You should have given up by now on "top tier gameplay" it will just be a copypaste of some curerntly popular other game. Or you do the CIV thing where you steal the worst thing of your oponents flopgame and brick your own game with it.
"have sex" posters were right.
That GTA6 trailer really woke up the gcj golems again
>>741438754Yeah, I forget the exact words, but the end of Dusa's social link is a whole conversation about how it'd be wrong to date her because of the power imbalance so she friendzones you. Allegedly the voice actress actually forced them to do that when a full romance was originally planned, but knowing the studio I don't think much "force" was involved.The only romance routes are a bitchy fury and a depressed Thanatos. It's like they went out of their way to select the least attractive characters. I'd rather date Sisyphus, that's how low the bar is.
>>741438943show proof that he called Evie a loli. I don't go on twitter so I might have missed that. If he did call her a loli then people are right about calling him a hypocrite. If Evie is a loli then so is Frieren.
>>741438096>They hate the game because of who likes it.correct, and this is also the staple behind /v/'s contrarianism when it comes to popular games>this games is really fun, I like it!>wtf? Normies likes it too? There must be something wrong with this game>better play something else
>>741438839I am reading it. >I will never forgive Gooners and the right for ruining this game's image because this looks sickIt does not imply the poster played the game. So, the "image" of the game has stopped them from giving it a shot. Why would it matter what "image" a game has if the individual thinks the game looks "sick"? Well, it's because the individual cares more about their reputation and how that game's image may affect it than just enjoying a video game experience. >That's about as likely as you learning to ignore redditors.I can. I didn't care what redditors thought about Stellar Blade or Hogwarts Legacy. I thought both were fun games. That poster should learn to try and ignore redditors, but I fear they spend too much time with them to be able to ignore them. >Some people are just put off by vulgarity, and the discussion surrounding the game is very vulgar.That may be so, but that also is separate from the person's enjoyment of the video game. Playing a game like Stellar Blade requires zero interaction with anyone else. One person, one game. It's an solitary experience. If, however, the person requires their video game experience to be social, whether or not the game is multiplayer, then they're stuck associating games with the opinions of the online peer groups they're part of. And if they spend a lot of time on GCJ and similar subreddits, they could never give the Stellar Blade a chance because all their online community kept saying how the wrong people liked it. Not to mention, the game itself was very problematic. And so I repeat my suggestion, that the poster should try and ignore the social media commentary around a video game if what they truly want is a video game experience. However, I suspect that the poster is just using video games as a medium for online social interaction that is built around a philosophical world view where a game like Stellar Blade is fundamentally offensive.
>>741438681NTA. It's marketing in the sense that people who haven't watched the trailer are going to check it out for themselves and realize that Evie looks fine and the game looks fun and interesting. The same happened to SB1. People who weren't aware of the game found it through all the discourse on socials.
>>741439273Women wishing they got fucked by much more powerful men is okay.Men wishing they were much more powerful and got to fuck women is not okay.I see...
>>741434579Right-wingers have always cherrypicked literal who journalists to blow out of proportions, it's observable outside of just video game discourse. You see it constantly ie. "look at this leftist article that says the nuclear family is bad!" and then you read the article and it actually says the nuclear family is mostly fine.Problem is it worked particularly well on gamers because gamers are retards with no real purpose in life so they cling onto whatever ideology is most convenient for them. This is observable especially with the first Stellar Blade where some french ign reviewer nobody cares about wrote a largely positive review of the game but called Eve a "doll" because her personality doesn't really reflect her sexualization well. Right wing grifters signal boosted the fuck out of the review saying "leftists are calling stellar blade evil and want to take it away from you!!" and naturally gamers fell for it even though nothing in the review indicated the game was disliked or even the sexualization was much of a problem. If anything making Eve a more sexually aware character a la Bayonetta would've alleviated the "doll" criticism.tl;dr culture war retards are still retards
>>741439451>I didn't care what redditors thought about Stellar Blade or Hogwarts Legacy.>still posts dumb shit from redditors with every fucking postNo, you are absolutely unable to ignore redditors.
>>741434579>but when you actually try to look for that opposition it barely existsThey were harassing the developers on twitter and calling anyone excited for the game a pedophile. You're not getting away with this shit.
anti woke fatigue bros, we lost again...
>>741439702Yeah, their agenda is full of contradictions. They care more about how the relationship would look rather than that it's the best thing for both characters.
>>741439734Oh, yes. The images are part of my evidence that people from GCJ are fundamentally opposed to a game like Stellar Blade. And even if they did like what they saw, they're so tied into the online communities like GCJ that oppose what a game like Stellar Blade represents, that they would have to do in secret or find some sort of justification that avoids them getting ostracized. Because if a person in those social circles were to give a game like Stellar Blade too much praise, it would cast suspicion on them that they were associating too closely with the "Gooners" and the "Right". And that cannot stand.
>still no diaper edits
leftist still trying to pretend they aren't actively trying to ruin every medium you care about
>>741434579Come on bro it's been like 15 years of this shit, it has affected every single piece of media from the West and even infected some of Japan, and you're telling me it's not a big deal? Isn't it a little too late to say that?Leftists are doing this because they don't like that the backlash is actually winning now, it's another variant of "that never happened." If you were still in power you would not be pretending this isn't a big deal.
>>741440056be the change you wish to seealternatively change yourself so you no longer have a diaper fetish
I wish she looked like a loli, instead of a femboyi can understand controversy about her design but the current controversy makes no sense to me
>>741440331yeah the femboy shit is a no go
>>741434854Mediocre title is also a sequel to a PS5 defining title. Real grim then.
>>741440140>change yourself
>>741440043>still wasn't good enough>plank thighsNo shit they changed it
>>741436041and half as much praise. it was a pr move from the start. they already made a sexy char last game, so had to be more extreme this time.
>>741434579It's grifters, anon. The people making the most noise don't even play videogames, they just use them as a platform to either get money out of or to push whatever agenda their pet grifters have told them to push
>>741439273Lol, western devs are such a fucking meme, man.
>>741439718Is all of leftism contingent in people not remembering what happened 5 weeks ago? Do we not remember the endless shrilling from unfuckable fridgid women like anita Sarkeesian? Do we just ignore that most of the wests AAA output features ugly old women on the cover?Legit, who is this discourse even for? I understand leftism is ideologically hollow and is mostly just a social technology that doesnt need to adhere to anything. If theyre winning, the bull shit they do and say is a simple matter of course. If theyre losing, then it never happend and if you bring reciepts youre "obsessed". You people are such fucking losers man.
>>741440689east is just as bad.
>>741440731I don't think I've ever seen an eastern dev change a game because a voice actress was mad about some aspect of the story.Maybe Squeenix? They're the only one I could think of who might do that, and they're basically just a western dev at this point.So yes, western devs are a meme, and I'm happy every time one of their studios shuts down.
>>741440689>>741440731We live in clown world so that's to be expected.
>>741434579>So what's going on here?We won. We are winning. We continue to win because we are winners.
>>741440702Notice how he doesn't respond to a single point made and just goes on a tangential ideological diatribe, this is what the right is about. Not reading anything and just regurgitating the thoughts parroted from their superiors.
>>741440731same financial interests.
>>741440904Different problems, aggressive pay to win and gatcha slop, copyright lawfare, accepting their games getting ruined by localizers, stagnant game design. They're not western devs, but they aren't good either.
>people are now trying to pretend the culture war was never a thingPray tell, what does the 'W' in SJW stand for again?
I cant stop thinking about Evie
>>741440702Being someone that self-admits to obsessing over video game culture war shit from more than 10 years ago and calling anyone else a loser is a real stretch
>>741440625>and half as much praiseNo. How many people talking about her being hot use that shot rather than this >>741434579 ?
>>741441280work
>>741441568
So if talking about stellar blade isn't a good way to make progress in the culture war, what is?The only correct answer is to stop browsing here and get to work on making your own game. It's not that difficult, you can make things cheaper and better than they can just by not shooting yourself in the foot.
>>741439718>Right-wingers have always cherrypicked literal who journalists to blow out of proportionsThere are plenty of SB reviews from well known journalist where even though it says 7 or 8/10 the reviews are written as if the game is a 2 or 3 with a heavy judgemental undertone because everyone who actually enjoys looking at a hot women is human garbage.Here's an example:https://www.pcgamer.com/games/action/stellar-blade-review/
>>741441970This is an absolutely fair review for a 68 "meh on the bad side" score, and the points of criticism are all warranted.You've never seen a review for an actual sub 5 game I take it.
