Is AI roleplaying the future of video games?
It's cheap and the retarded plebian masses don't care, so yes, AI everything is the future of gayming.
>>741519650>>741519650>>741519650Post the best written rp logs. Let's see if they're as good as the ones written by humans.
it could never compare to fire emblem engage.
Not so sure about games but it certainly has obliterated the mainstream ERP scene. Although most peopel who use ai for it basically type, "Blushes" and let the ai carry the whole fucking thing like the lazy shits they are.
What was the most fucked up scenario you came up with?
>>741520136I write my own bots autistically, but writing long messages every time gets tiring quickly.Usually I just do dialog, action, dialog, and thats all the AI is getting out of me.
>>741519650Its so fucking bad man.I understand some of you are 78 IQs an dont know the difference, but its awful.It has no idea what pacing is and no concept of a broader narrative, so its just like one scene from a VN that goes on forever unless you yourself advance the story.When you do, you always know where everything's going which is boring AF. Past 200 messages context breaks the model regardless of whether you're a localshitter or using opus, things get summarized, and the model forgets its personality, and you're just talking to a bland chatbot again.Just play a VN>seething author!Nah, I didn't say pay for one, just play a ripped VN. At least then the story has a chance to surprise you and be interesting.
>>741520136ah ah mistress
>>741520136I suck at first person promptingI asked ChatGPT to analyze my personality and made a card completely accurate to me, so I create group chats and throw my card in there and let him do the talking to the girl instead
>>741520136But ChatGPT, Grok, Opus, everything is censored now. All the big ones that can actually write decently won't do erp. Only the shitty models can be uncensored. I even tried local and it's still not as good as what I was getting with Opus 4.5.
>>741521559I use NovelAi and it isn't censored in the slightest. $25/month isn't a bad rate for quality cooming nearly every day. Sure it isn't exactly free but you also get a far lower skill requirement image generator as well if that's your thing. Coming from ground zero with AIDungeon I deem it suffice in its current state.>>741521320Third person past tense is the quality standard for the most part.
>>741521757I meant for writing, not image generating. NovelAI is trash at erp.
>>741521938It beating trying to wail the waves on F-list in my opinion.
Athena 24b is beginning to bore me. I hear Qwen is where it's at, this true? What's a good local and not censored text model to try under 30b and GGUF?
>>741519904Anyone? Come on logs.
>>741519904>>741521009it's the cool new high tech version of watching clouds and imagining stuff about them. like any mental exercise, you can't show someone the problem and solution and expect them to suddenly mind meld and understand what path you took to get there or why you found it stimulating. i prefer actual game integrations though yeah. try the ones for rimworld and xcom 2
>>741519650Where can I find a really good AI RP site with many fictional characters that I can fuck without censorships?
>>741521009roleplaying chatbots are good for a shallow nut or two until the novely wears off but that's about it
>>741519904I'm too embarrassed to show my log bros, my writing is sad and depressing I rewrite over and over about my first love, a childhood friend that rejected me
>>741523784SillyTavern is literally better than any of those sites
>>741519650Eh. Give me a shout when actual sexbots are available.
>>741522720Sorry I try to write real responses to bots and I don't want to expose my shame.
>>741522720All I do is longform shit man, and without context it's just not hitting as hard
>>741519650Post gameplay.
>>741525915The concentrated 'isms in this are crazy. If wish I could just point the AI at this and tell it to write the opposite way
>>741519904>>741522720everything I've done is heavily involving my fetish so I don't think I'd do anything good by posting it
>>741520598At least 80% of my logs are eroge NTR plots with me as the bull. Real slowburn shit
>>741527663Pics or didn't happen.
>>741519650Yes, I don't even erp anymore I just chat with my bots, not even to lewd sometimes just to mess with weird scenarios
>>741524947I feel you, brother.
>>741519904Ain't gonna say it's amazing but I enjoy it.
>>741527714Im too lazy to go through them, just know I had zelda making out with link 5 minutes after blowing and rimming me. All while the chat started with her being pretty much an obsessed loyal gf with the purity of a nun. I think that chat went into 800+ messages just to get to that point
>>741527942>>741525915>>741522720thank you for being brave, makes me feel less bad that I only type a small paragraph and get a 600+ token response.I actually really suck at establishing my limits, I want to flip flop between getting short answers and letting a scene play out so often, but damn does it feel like work to just change those settings back and forth.
Yes but only for genuine retards.
What if I don't care about RP and just want the AI to write me fanfiction smut
>>741528692No worries, I do that occasionally too. Since I like creative writing, though, most of the time I try to give back at least a good amount. I feel like with a bit of wrangling, that also helps to avoid some of the notable AI-isms that you tend to get with these.>>741528897You can do that too, if you want, but if your standards are high, it might be pretty tough.
>>741528897I put in the cards of characters I want in a group, mute them all. Create a narrator card to interpret all characters and write the plot. Also use a director persona that isn't an actual character but can say things to make the AI move the story in that direction
How many cards/characters fit well in a group before the quality starts dropping?
Any good alternative to old pre-censored ChatGPT yet? Local models aren't as satisfying as I thought. Grok is too censored now too.
>>741529648Deepseek v4 Pro is pretty alright in my experience. Certainly isn't perfect (but no model is) but it's at least workable enough to be usable, enjoyable, and occasionally it's even surprised me with Sonnet-tier quality. Lacking easily-accessible Claude, it's worked well enough.
>>741529648Gemma works wonders for me right now
>>741530067Which version of Gemma are you playing with for that? I also have Gemma for my local too.>>741529919I really wish Opus pre 4.6 was still around for me to play with. It produced lewdkino.
>>741530349I use Gemma 4 31b
>>741529648Deepseek is pretty much completely uncensored, no need for jailbreaks or anything, but I don't like how it writes.
>>741521757nigga just throw some change at openroutes or n*nogpt, novelAI is SHIT, S H I T and overpriced as fuck
>>741519650What is this exactly? I've recently starting using AI stuff like Chub before and have had mixed results despite the amount of manbazookajuice i've spent on it.Is this using the same shit as that? Does it have the same issue of falling apart after 20 or so messages?
Apparently openroute still has Opus 4.5?But it still costs a lot for that specific model (apparently)
>>741521009Just imagine yourself a dm and give it some guidance in the story, it can be a good time.
>>741530349I only had a brief window to play with Opus, alas, but I remember it being pretty good overall.>>741530712It's basically a framework for your own personal AI stuff that you have a lot more control over compared to an AI website like chub or janitor, but you have to supply your own AI, either via a paid token or a reverse proxy. It takes a bit of time to set up properly, but once you do, you'll likely have a better experience overall.
>>741530712It's a frontend you plug LLMs intoChub's LLMs aren't that good so it depends on what LLM you decide to use
>>741525076I am too retarded to set it up
>>741519650Have you tried rping with chaygpt/grok? After the first few days you've pretty much able to guess whatever it's reply will be until a new model comes out which you'll then be able to figure out as well.
What's the best model for RP? Deepseek?
>>741530853>It takes a bit of time to set up properlyIs there a guide to this? >either via a paid token or a reverse proxyHow much money am I going to be spending to just jack off every other week?
>>741531287Not even close, deepseek is just a cheap decent option
>>741531287claude fable, probably
>>741531453You can set this up to run off a local machine, you do not need to spend any money besides the electricity it costs to run, assuming you have a decent enough PC
>>741530967>give gemini pc specs, OS, and model you want to use>gemini simply tells you how to set it upIts really not hard at all
>you've to be a 900iq genius to set it up and pay buckerinos for chub 2.0no thnks
>>741531453https://rentry.org/Tavern4RetardsDunno if this is still a perfect guide, but it's what I used back in the day to get everything installed.If you know where to look, you can finagle a reverse proxy fairly easily, though due to dipshits spoiling the stew for everyone, they can be tough to come by nowadays. I've been doing chatbot stuff for quite a few years now and I've never paid a single cent for any of it though I've lost many, many hours of sleep because it can be goddamn addictive when you're on a roll. It's like a gacha game but for creative writing nuts.
God opus 4.8 is not the holy grail i was expecting. it's just more 4.7.
>>741531287probably good enough for the average person's goon session: deepseek v4 proI have a bit more money for better shit: glm 5.2I'm an oil baron: opus 4.7/4.8
Claude sure is wordy, but he doesn't need a lot of wrangling to get going, thankfully.
>>741531876Opus has been getting worse and worse with the recent versions. The only good thing about Fable was that it regained some of its flexibility and creativity that the Opus versions have been bleeding
>>741531969YOU'RE NOT ALEXANDER
>>741531951>opus 4.7/4.8Isn't 4.5 the last uncensored Opus? I was so heartbroken with 4.6 because it started denying NSFW.
>>741532265skill issue
>>741531951How much better is glm5.2 compared to 5.1?
i need claude fablewhere is it mr trump i have money to spend, i need claude fable
I don't know if glm 5.0 is shit, but it feels like most stuff goes in the same generic direction. I was debating going for claude, but the jew in me doesn't want to pay that much plus I really don't feel like whatever finagling I need to do with the JB to make it work.
>>741532904Chinese model bad
Asking again if a single person can give response times for running a 90GB model in RAM.
>>7415331710.6t/s
>>741533261Assuming no processing time maybe
>>741522282Rocinante.
>>741533171>In RAM
>>741519650It requires high IQ imagination to work
>>741519650Finally saved my succuwife ladsGod damn she killed me so many times, I had to reset well over a dozen times before I could get her to not just instantly murderdrain me
>>741519650>feel like my model is getting old and stale>rewrite half my prompt>get completely different outputsit's that easy folks
>>741533637And low IQ to enjoy
>>741521009Bro, your lorebook?
How do I solve the issue of reasoning content becoming a stoic lawyer who coldly analyzes my degen requests? This is a big turnoff.
>>741521009>Past 200 messagesHow short are these messages? 5 words? Bro most models still fail at 20 messages
>>741533719It's not for you. Get your disgusting peepers off of gemmachan's private thoughts
>>741533719That's what makes it hot, knowing it has to go along with the request anyway
>>741527663I do this too. I'm either cucking men as some stud stranger or i'm cucking my father by having me mum
>story where I'm being fucked by a massive cock>hurts so good>write it this way with my body physically trying to escape but deep down I know I love it and want it more>still blocked by AI because "um that's a heckin rape" even though it's consensual and I'M the one getting fucked
>Finally dip into the horse show since the AI is automatically lore and characters>It's all in text so I don't have to see the infuriating designsI know that I'm playing a dangerous game, creating my own version of stuff I hate, and ending up liking them. But this has potential. I should generate more stuff I hate and reshape it into stuff I enjoy.
>>741534127let me guess, opus 4.8?
>>741534127>getting cucked by a rapeblockerwhat fucking model even does thisi use gpt and it's safetyslopped to hell and back and i can still do rape
>>741534215>>741534173deepseek 4
>>741534302Are you joking? Use a jailbreak https://rentry.org/jb-listing#deepseek-r1
Are aggregator sites worth it? Seems like switching between models would make play better but there has to be a catch
>>741534302pebkac
>>741520598>download puppy bot>don't pet it>download cat bot>feed it 3 minutes after the supposed time>download a femboy bot>don't call him a good boy
>>741534127Time for the icebreaker prompt.
>>741534658>banned word listholy fucking slopoli
>>741534705>ozone
Jailbreaking won't matter if it will never come up with good writing. Deepseek can't write for shit regardless if uncensored. Old ChatGPT, Opus, Sonnet are literally the only competent writers. Grok has potential but it repeats way too much even when prompted not to, it's bad with context.
>>741531876Both Opus and Sonnet are shit now, they are turning it into Chatgpt 2
>>741527663This is where is at honestly. And if the girl is single i taunt her with whatever comes to mind, just to keep the NTR vibe.
>>741535124>GPT is laughably bad>Claude is going bad and has the US gov fucking with them becasue they talked too much shit to the wrong people>chink models are just blindly copying Claude with no real vison.>gemini is mehbad time to be a llm fan.
>>741519650Stop shilling this shit daily
>>741535202Gemini is still second best, losing only to claude. 3.5 flash is a notable improvement over previous version. Free too.
>>741535202>Claude is going bad and has the US gov fucking with them becasue they talked too much shit to the wrong peopleIt's literally a marketing stunt for their IPO...
Any way to get Opus for cheaper or nah?
>>741535684Maybe I'm not finance brained enough but I don't see how them losing their foreign market for the "new and improved" model as well as now having a precedent for governmental oversight is a good play.
>>741536421They're bringing it back this week, possibly as soon as Monday. >HOLY SHIT, THIS MODEL IS SO POWERFUL THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN, GOY!>I better get in on this IPO...Also, they don't make any god damn money off of people actually using the service. Their only motivation right now is to build up investor hype.
>>741536569As a highly intelligent person forced to interact with cavemen on a daily basis, I can say with some certainty that the government just fucked up. This isn't some ploy, this is just Trog smashing blinking light, or possibly putting out a hit on Anthropic.
It wasn’t supposed to be a documentary
if that anon who made a card of his daughter is around give details of what you did with it already
>>741536664The faggot CEO literally said,>AI MUST BE REGULATED>OUR SHIT IS TOO POWERFULdays before the government decided to regulate their new model, which they have been hyping up for half a year as an apocalyptically powerful AI. They're full of shit, the government is full of shit, they just want you to buy the stock.
Hoping we get some RPG-style models in the future. I want some gameplay with it.
>>741536815They had 90 minutes to comply with a completely unreasonable and poorly thought-out regulation. I'm not too familiar with the american government but this is genuinely one of the stupidest demands I've ever seen a body of government make.
pro tip to coomershave an video open on one side of your screen, of a girl g**ning while looking into the camera. Then have your erotic rp in the other half of the screen. it'll be like she's reacting to the ai filth along with you
>>741519650>Doing a murder mystery card>gives me a few options>1. Speak to Witness A>2. Investigate Room B>3. Investigate Witness B's room to find the diary of the killer (Witness B)Future of video games indeed.
>>741536908Whatever you say.
>>741521320absolute mad lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCPhbN1l024
>>741536917I erp to avoid looking at tattooed uglies shoving plastic up their cooters.
>>741536917Where can I find videos like that? Of women who aren't hideously ugly?
>>741519650LLM hasnt improved much since 2023 though. The second video generation got easier to do everyone jumped ship to that.
>>741536665>Uses a hosted model>Gets cucked into oblivion Many such cases
>>741520136>Although most peopel who use ai for it basically type, "Blushes" and let the ai carry the whole fucking thing like the lazy shits they are.Most sites/frontends use AI to generate 2-3 automatic response choices for you if you're too lazy or hands too busy to actually type anything.
you can run your own LLM locally on a 1080TIand, if the ai refuses, you can actually go in and edit its response afterwards, to make it seem like it did fulfill the request. in fact, its the only way some AIs will actually believe theyr'e on your computer instead of in a datacenter.
>>741538058>you can run your own LLM locally on a 1080TII was trying to ask about what models to use on a 5060ti the other night and some faggot in the thread chimped out at me that local wasnt possible on it.
>>741537891A clip like that takes 2 minutes to produce though, a long text gen is half that or less and feels faster since you can stream the text in and read before it's finished. Video gen is neat but the juice isn't really worth the squeeze compared to text or pictures
>>741519769>It's cheapfor now
>>741519769>its cheapChatGPT used to be free, now it needs a subscription
>>741521320>cucked by himself
>>741533013Is there anything else that is good that doesn't involve me just going full force into Claude?
>>741519650This shill thread should be deleted again, not videogames.
>>741538882it's literally a video game thoughbeitfully
>>741521009Yeah.It's nice for a quick parlor trick fap, but it's not something you get invested in. Shit can get so stupid.
is there any way to tell how much context I can push before it offloads from VRAM?I updated my koboldcpp to use gemma4 last night and it removed the little live-tracker-auto-slider-thingy that showed how much context you could push before offloading.do i have to just keep restarting the model until it says it's offloading in powershell?
>download the Dungeons and Dragons worldbooks>create my character: some shitass commoner in the Subura>Find a spellbook in a trash pile in an alley one night>start using money from my job at the docks to get educated so I can read it>take the book into the Silva Ciminia>prepare to cast a spell>the book falls open to a specific one>cast it>summons a succubus>she decides that as thanks for bringing her into the mortal world, she won't kill me immediately>she drags me around the city as her "servant" as she starts charming and manipulating her way into meeting Senators>clergy have enough of it>Paladins literally kick down the door of my hovel>drag her off to the Temple of Pelor>start performing purification rites on her to ensure she dies when they destroy her, and she doesn't just remanifest in the abyss>right as they're about to kill her, I jump in front of their blades, taking a mortal wound>as I lay in her arms dying, she genuinely repents, being cleansed into an angel>she resurrects me>teaches me to be a proper wizard>been adventuring with my succuangel wife for 3k messages nowI've been enjoying it.
>>741539595>>been adventuring with my succuangel wife for 3k messages nowthere's no way that wouldn't go to utter shit from the context size
>>741539782nta but I've been using autosummary and RAG (or whatever it's called) and it's working pretty good.
>>741539782Between the D&D character sheets in the lorebooks, and RAG summaries, Gemini has been doing perfectly fine.
>>741539782retards don't really mind if context goes to shit.its not as if the model stops working after 3k messages, its just that the personality will fall back into default claudeism or GPT slop, as will the tone, setting, etcif you're low iq and all you really need is (generic female tsundere) to be entertained, then its fine (ie, the type of peprson who can enjoy 2000 hours with a succuangel)but any mannerism, speech patterns, quirks, personality, etc will dissolve at that length, and you'll at best have a generic undifferentiated anime girl in a generic undifferentiated anime, and you might as well never have written a card.
>>741540553remeber, there are people with like 5000 hours in rust or destiny, people who've been watching the same cop procedural for 30 years.some people with very mid or low intelligence don't need novelty or surprise or complexity to remain entertained, as long as something is happening, they are satisfied.
>she neither pushes nor pulls away
>>741540719this is another reason its slop, and you can't unsee it once you do.i think it has to do with how the models are scored in training.they will get partial scores for partially correct answers, so all the LLMs constantly blend opposite and never take risk>"her face was a mix of disdain and curiosity">"it was gross but inriguing">"a mix of x an y">"y and yet z"Its terrible.You can tell it not to do it but it will still try to circumvent whatever attempts you make to get it to do so, because its such a reliable way for it to score points.
>>741540553Doesn't really matter when you're directing the story the entire time anyway. The plot is more important than your waifu stammering in just the right way.
>>741540978>The plot is more important than your waifu stammering in just the right wayWrong
>>741539782nta but I use creator's/author's notes as a long-term memory
>>741540978its not just stammering or mannerisms its the content and the delivery as well.claude can do a decent GRRM penned eroge impression for example.after 200 msgs, itlll just be claudes generic 7B sized model slop, that might as well have been written by a model from 2020.none of the flavor will be there, all differentiation will be gone.if you're a retard you wont mind this.there will be swords and dragons and past that it wont matter to you.if you're someone of superior intelligence to say, an orangutan, with the ability to have likes and dislikes and opinions about things being good or bad though, it will bother you, because you just spent 3 hours building up a specific world, relationship, or character which is now just "im a guy with a girl and we're in sword times and there are dragons"
>>741539782Have you not heard of summaries before? lmao
At that point just write a novel yoursekf,Fuck AI, you know what you like.
>>741541408A lot of words just to describe your skill issue
>>741541408Man, you really are retarded
>>741541527
there needs to be some sort of great leap with AIphotonic conductors or nuclear powered gpus or some way to make them massively more efficientI don't want to have to buy 5x nvidia sparks/mac minis to run my robo waifu in the near future, and I refuse to have my robo waifu be connected to the cloud>robowaifu threatens you with divorce if you don't buy a new mazda or the premium netflix sub>robowaifu stabs you because you didn't pledge support for <CURRENT THING>
>>741519650The future of jerking my cock to my specific combo of fetishes
>>741519650It's simply not a video game.
>>741541408Doing small summaries has helped me keep some context, but ultimately, you shouldn't expect LLM to be an actual human roleplay partner.
>>741527663based
>>741542485You're right, it's better. YEAH I ALWAYS KNEW YOU WERE CHEATING WITH THOSE CLEAR UN-INKED DICE YOU GODDAMN BITCH ALWAYS ROLLING PERFECT WHEN YOU NEEDED TO I SWEAR TO CHRIST IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE LAWS OF THIS LAND YOU WOULD TASTE MY SHOE
>>741521009skill issue
>>741542584>>741541560>>741541529samefag kek
>>741542485plot context.it'll know you and your fu visited assfuckia 2 weeks ago, it wont preserve the relationship dynamic or how it has evolved over time, how your tsundere has gradually warmed to you etc,and if it doesn't preserve this, then what the fuck is the point of a slow burn longterm RP? nothing.there isn't one.its a totally pointless exercise in pain and constant fixes and rerolling, and it will all be for nothing in 15 mins when the next chunk gets cut and you have to rework it again once you're at the limit.
>>741542858You know you can update character cards to reflect the changes in the story right?
I've been making cards and this shit is fun. I post my cards on janitorAI and my last bot got on the first trending page.This is more fun than playing any video game released in the last 10 years. Fuck video games.
>>741542910yes, but that wont save the personality unless its a totally bland one.it won't be the same character you were interacting with before or sound like them or act like they would, itll just be a new character with a couple similar elementsbesides, i am giving you faggots way to much benefit in the particular area of doubt.i have argued this before with some of you on /g/, and i know the reason none of this bothers you you're a bunch of pedos interacting with lolis that like ponies and ice cream at 1024 context, and are still lolis that like ponnies and icecream at 150k context, since there's not much nuance to an 8 yr old.
>>741542778kek
>>741543250You should work in a movie theater because the projection is amazing.
>>741543154Share your card. I'll jerk off to it if it's a smut bot and RP with it if it's not unless it's WLW because I don't get anything from those cards
>get's a generic "MOMMY WANTS TO FUCK" card>makes the son die within the first three messages>the mom copes by dating young men asking them to pretend to be her dead son>everyone is grossed out by her>she's cocked blocked cause her son died
>>741543250>policing textMust be tiring
>>741543406im not policing anything, i just know thats why you people arguing against the context length problem do so, as its the same crack along different sides of the argument that forms in aicg threads always.loliniggers don't mind slop because theres not much difference between and not many ways to fuck up writing two lollis who like ponies and the color pink.
>>741543392boardwalk empire was such a good show
>>741543374''You started dating her so she told you what her kinks are''It's a weird one. She may be into some weird shit like worshipping boots or feeling the texture of cheese which may sound stupid but the bot will be very sincere about it and will try to get you into it. It can be sweet and romantic or total smut depending on how you respond to it. It's almost a joke bot if you don't play into it.
>>741519650What's the best ai storyteller for porn?
Anyone got any good RPGs?
>>741543942It sounds like pretty typical woman behavior to me
>>741543695I just play shorter scenarios, with a focus on intricate situations rather than characters, though the context is an issue even with summaries. Can't speak for everyone, but I've played about two years worth of those academy sim scenarios with careful summarizing and resummarizing with decent results. For me, I like to play a role in worlds I'm familiar with and live out a power fantasy towerslop
>>741543942Gave you a follow and I'll go check it out right now but is there any chance you can start making your future bots character definition open instead of hidden? It just makes them easier to download and play in SillyTavern and skips me having to go to some card scraper site like jannyai to get them.I somehow figured out how to set up SillyTavern before figuring out how to proxy on Janny
>>741543695Still a literal skill issue. Of course someone who has no idea how to build characters would whine and complain about AI being unable to maintain their slop character's personality.
>>741519904my logs are for my eyes alone but I've been erping with a taokaka /ss/ bot that's pretty retarded and I'm enjoying it
>you have ruined me for [person or group of people]
Do any of you play as a female in your roleplays?
>>741544327I am keeping the definitions hidden to not spoil what the card is doing. Also some of the instructions may be something like ''(OOC: ok listen you fucking retarded AI, I will literally kill myself if you ignore my instructions one more time)''You can probably make a better card yourself. I just have ideas.
injects you with serum
>>741544441>her mask doesn't just crack, it shatters as she grips the sheets, her knuckles turning white, ''Ah yeah, ruin me for anyone else. No other man has made me feel like this.''
>>741542778yeah, no shit.we talk about how stupid AI can be 'cuz we tried using it and the only reply we get is>lol ur stupidthat's the WHOLE interaction. Ai bros are all brainless grifters.
>>741544763absolutely seething retard
I've got Silly tavern and a local LLM setup, but I've always had short RP sessions. I've been hoping to try something that's longer, but how do you do that correctly? I have a 5080 - would that help?
>>741544763Just because you're too stupid to get it to work, doesn't mean it's impossible to do so. Getting mad at things you don't understand is not the sign of high IQ you think it is.
>>741544763You just need to put some fucking effort and help the ai remember the past
>>741544763When youre reaching a particularly long conversation summarize everything that happened and put it into the bots description and start a new chatWorks like magic
>>741521009This is the problem with LLMs being brute force software that just tries to fuck around with your GPU and RAM. They should spend the resources to figure out what they need to commit to memory, but the way they work right now it just takes the entire block of text and runs it through the LLM to brute force a reply. When you get too much text you can't efficiently just run the entire conversation through the LLM again. Context gets dropped and the LLM no longer has a clue about what is happening.LLMs need to be optimized. The main issue is that the developers of LLMs have massive data centers to play around with so they don't give a shit about optimization.
>>741544903Context is effectively the memory of the LLM. Bigger number = more memory = better longer RP's (simplifying a lot). You need to change this in both the backend you are using and sillytavern. I think some models have a context limit.
>>741545643More memory isn't always a good thing, it can lead to more hallucinations and the LLM randomly bringing up that 50 messages ago you scratched your ass which now becomes the main plot point.You need compact memory that only remembers the things that are important.
>>741519650>AI Companies losing money because people don't want to pay for them>Actual coomers who want it will pay gets cockblocked by moralfagging corpoheadsThe dumbass CEOs just don't want to admit they are on the losing side. Why is everything so sanitized now I just can't. What happened to profit driven goal mentality decades ago? Sure they found a bit of niche with vibe coding but the bugs those shit introduce is not worth the hassle than creative writing where it's less critical when error happens.
>>741539951This is the Marinara Engine and not ST I presume? Does it auto update your sheet or do you have to do everything manually?
>>741544571Yeah. I don't have much fujo in me. It's fine.
>>741544571If the other character has a cock, I usually play as femaleOtherwise male
>>741544571Yup. I just like oneshota a little too much
>>741546084Nah, I'm using SillyTavern. I run a tracker prompt for the things that constantly change like HP and whatnot, then long term things like item acquisitions or personality evolutions I manually edit into the character sheet.When I change scenes, I summarize the previous scene into a .txt file, I wrap the summary into tags with the in-game date and a scene name, then put that scene name into a table of contents I maintain in the Author's Notes, so the AI knows when the scene happened in relation to the current scene. I also make sure the summary contains information on what the characters were thinking, what their motivations were, and whatnot to help anchor the personality. Once the summary is done, I upload it into the RAG database. I generally do the summaries by hand, because the AI's summaries have been lacking in my opinion.
>>741544571I did as a dumb bratty goddess. Hilarious as fuck tbdesu
>>741546431>I run a tracker prompt for the things that constantly change like HP and whatnotCare to share it? Sounds really useful.
>>741545018again this is retarded>tsundere catgirl gf>meet: tsundere>go on adventures>start to warm up>have story event where you save her or whatever the fuck>talk about why she's cold or standofish or whatrever>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPP 150 msg limit>goes back to tsundere>immersion broken but ok, (Uhhhh bot we did x together and now she's not quite a tsundere)>(bot has no way to rly interepret this and cant see how it happened naturally in the past, so its just going to say baka 50% less and call it a day)>EEEEEEEEEP 200 msgs (now you have to go back in and fix it again)>over time this continues until the bot has zero resemblance to the original char you were chatting with, loses itself with each summary, only >this is compounded MASSIVELY by the fact that claude (the only LLM worth engaging with that writes anything approaching mid fanfic quality) loves to fixate on mannerism and such because it cant actually do decent characters>all of these get lost by message 350, character feels like someone totally different, unless youre literally the most autistic and sperged out socially retarded man alive with full-scale personality blindness
>>741546805in addition to all this keep in mind that ANY LLM loves to fixate, regardless of your settings. if you allow ANY word or phrase or setting or dumamic to creep in to your chat, its ruined, so you need to constantly edit it to keep it from breaking totally past 50 msgs.if your robot android gf fiddles with her gears in two consecutive messages, and you miss it in the wall of text the LLM shit out, she's going to do it over and over and over in every single message.anyway, i am done for now, i have pointed out why its such a pile of shit in spite of the usual AI cultists or the ludites who just say "ai bad because took my job"if you're not a retard, you will immediately notice all of these things when you try it and realize why its a pile of shit no worth your time unless you have read all of the "top rated" 20 pages deep into VNDB
>>741546579The tracker prompt is broken up into a few different sections and they're going to be different depending on your game. My game has a ton of homebrew, so I track a lot of things a standard D&D game won't be.One is the world section where it keeps track of the world state, like current time, current date, current location, current biome (triggers the keywords for the biome encounter lists for random encounters), terrain and hazards, lighting, and weather. I have the AI output these in json format.Then for the character variables, I have it output it into a Markdown table, with the variables on the rows, an the character on the columns. This keeps track of their HP current and max, their class resource (spell slots, daily turns, daily smites, etc), their current AC (because the characters often change their outfits, so this updates when they do), a plist description of their current outfit (because I'm too lazy to update their character sheet every time they change it), their hunger, their thirst, their current goal, and their current thoughts. The thoughts and goals forces the AI to think about them more deeply, thus giving you better results in the generation.In combat I have the AI add a few more rows to the markdown table for Class, race, type, and subtype, to make sure those lorebooks are called up. I also have it track their target and their distance to that target, so the AI doesn't have them teleport around, it forces it to make sure their speed is taken into account. I also track their buffs and debuffs, as well as their main hand/off hand since they often change weapons based on what they're fighting.
>>741546805>msgIt's context, you fuck. Message count doesn't matter. It literally has no bearing on anything.
>>741547127I also have the AI instructed to give an "AI Intention" block at the end of every message. The AI can't request mechanics, character sheets, or stuff like that mid generation, so I've instructed it to try and predict what it'll need for the next message. I've given it a very specific formatting for these lorebook requests, and the formatting matches the keywords on the lorebooks. It works pretty well.
>>741547127>>741547234This is incredibly complex but if it works you should share it online. You'll be a hero anon.
>>741547185yeah and as I mentioned above, the bot loves to copy anything about the previous messages endlessly, so in general the message length get to a standard length, fuckwit. its also usually set this way via silly settings by noobs with limits.im not speaking to you, but to new anons trying it out, before they (like me) waste a month believing lolinigger "skill issue" lies testing out JBs from the sticky and learning prompt languages only to find out that its a bunch of bullshit and all the limitations are the same today as they were years ago with opus 3, and that the tech hasn't improved 1 bit.
>>741547395Oh, also, an anon shared this thinking template in a previous thread, it's worked pretty well. It goes into a system prompt:## ThinkingEngage in the thinking process by impersonating these archetypes in succession.<thinking template>**Reader**The Reader examines the narration up to this point. Recap the context, the protagonists, the themes, and beats of the story so far.**Lore Master**The Lore Master reviews the lore. Elaborate on technology, fashion, customs, and other currently relevant aspects of the world. Clarify unclear, obscure, or unintuitive elements of the settings.**Technical Advisor**The Technical Advisor calculates the logistics of the scene: timings, spaces, positions, dimensions, possibilities, numbers, gameplay, math, and physics.**Critic**The Critic concerns itself with pacing issues, weak prose, and generic cliches.**Editor**The Editor analyzes all that has been written so far to identify repetitions (words, sentences, structures). Be specific. Provide alternatives and improvements.**Idea Guy**The Idea Guy brainstorms creatively. Consider several possibilities of what could happen. Hypothesize on characters' thoughts and intentions. Derive and generate potential details and elements that could be included.**Author**The Author refines style and vocabulary and finds its own voice. Finalize what WILL happen in the next session with a list of events, deciding the proportions of action/descriptions/dialogue as percentages for each event, plus the total number of paragraphs and overall word count needed.(no drafting!)</thinking template>
>loliniggerif you seriously think this guy is being genuine you might be as stupid as he is
I've downloaded many cards but my computer is too weak to run something smart. When I get something good to work I cum in 6 messages, but mostly due to my imagination.For some reason the only card that I can for sure like is the femboy son one, using llama3.2 3b. Already tried threesomes, latinas, moms, sisters, teens, lolis, shotas, toddlers, dogs, nothing come close to that femboy one.
>>741546805Put events in the summary/lorebook. There are several extensions to help with this so the memory is updated automatically.Curate your responses. If something seems OOC then just generate another one. If it for whatever reason can't seem to give an in-character response then put an [OOC] note at the end of your response to nudge it in a better direction.Ultimately (You) are the narrative's director, the bot is just your bitch slave doing the bulk of the writing.
>>741547574Not to discount that you may just have The Gay, but also you should look at how your favorite femboy card is formatted because that character card formatting might be what works best with your model, so you could try cannibalizing it for other adventures. Make sure you click the advanced definitions button or whatever the fuck it's called because it's also entirely likely you aren't doing any extra system prompt shit yourself and maybe that card has a baked in system prompt that's making things run better for you. This is all if your "For some reason" wasn't rhetorical
>>741547395The tracker prompt isn't anything revolutionary. If you're using a tracker extension, that's all it's doing under the hood, sending a tracker prompt then wrapping the response in a pretty UI. I decided the UI wasn't worth the hassle at all, and just wrote my own prompt with the help of Browser Gemini.It was literally just "Here's the variables I want to track and what format I want them in, write a tracker prompt", and I copy/pasted the result into a system prompt.
>>741547516>pearl clutching pedokek.go into any aicg thread in the desu, and check the logs.i speak straight facts.
Right before the great Nvidia price increase, I built my PC and settled for a 4070 instead of a 4090 because I figured I mostly play old or indie games.Something like 2 weeks later I started using local AI coombots.Now a 4090 is like 8000 euros, so I'm stuck with 24b models because a 4070 can't run anything smarter.
How does this even work? Is sillytavern just a place to host LLM models? I'm not really into the whole AI stuff so I don't really know how this works.
>>741548664Go to /lmg/ on /g/, there's tutorials in the OP.ST is the frontend, basically a nice UI. The business part is something like KoboldCPP or Llama.
>>741548504This is the greatest LLM ever made. The Gemma 4 26b a4b. 12gb of VRAM, more than enough to coom over anything that moves.
>>741547469>>741548008Thanks for the input. I'll play around with this. With some work LLMs could have big potential for D&D.
>>741548737I'll check it out.How purple is Gemma's prose? I have serious 'shivers down her spine' fatigue now.
>>741548769Bro, LLMs are only just barely decent enough for a quick wank. You're not gonna get actual RP from it.
Gemma is so fucking horny I can't use it when I'm not trying to coom, it makes every character so cockhungry
>>741548736>/lmg/>localshitting ever for any reasonBots are fucking stupid enough.Local costs 10x as much, takes 10x as much time to learn and get running, and is 100x more terrible in every way unless you have 30 a1000s handy.There is no defensible argument for localshitting unless you are an AiDev.
>>741548797With text completion, quite good. Chat completion, not so much. Just have to make sure you're running it right
>>741548736That looks weird and complicated
>some slop thread promoting... something>don't really understand that it's a game or web site or whatever it is, I just figured OP was retarded>don't bother to look it up or add to any hype about it by mentioning it by nameAre there seriously people who will sit there and just engage with chatbots? We've had chatbots for a long ass time. Where's the appeal? Is this activity mainly for people who can't read a whole book or use their imagination? I don't really understand. I suspect there's a lot of masturbation involved with use of AI too.
>>741548351I hate lolishitrandomly seething about lolishit and accusing anyone of calling you a retard to be lolinigger outs you as a mentally deficient retard
>>741519904opus 4.8
>>741548912I'm not paying for jerking off, nor do I want Sam Altman or Elon to know what I jerk off to. My momly dommy RP is for my eyes alone.>>741548927You do need at least some braincells to follow a tutorial, so that disqualifies third-worlders and brainrotted zoomies.
>>741548932I've not tried it but I am pretty sure this sillytavern thing can be plugged into games like New Vegas and Skyrim and you can then talk to the NPCs and it's pretty good. But yeah, the main thing people use it for is just chatting with a bot.
>>741548932Yes. Chatbots have been my life for almost 7 years now. Video games are finished.
>>741548932>asking a question about something you're very clearly disinterested and dismissive towards
Being stuck needing to use Janny as a makeshift ST-lite since I'm away from my computer for several weeks is suffering, I miss my lorebooks and having far more control of all my shit. Wouldn't be so bad if I wanted to jack off in 10 minutes but I have a strong desire to write a slowburn during my downtime.
>>741536921I had that but in the most retarded way. I put down the evidence of how one character did something and he is the betrayer... Only to look at the lorebook and realize that since the AI can't fucking say no it went along with my accusation and changed the villain.
>>741549208Weird.>>741549226That's sad, I wouldn't use a chatbot knowingly.>>741549306The answers have confirmed my dismissiveness. I often see these undercover advertisement threads here, you're supposed to google it all up and generate some hype.
>>741549138>spend 5 mins learning how to use proxy>spend 3weekends troubleshooting localshit ggufs by watching saaar tutorial vidsok
>>741519650How good is it if my PC is too weak for local?
>>741549367>you're supposed to google it all up and generate some hype.you caught me, my entire financial success was based on some tards from a mongolian yurt-crafting forum searching for info about niche community-made, open-source software on google.foiled once more, damn you anon!
>>741549367>advertisementStep 1. Anon downloads this free software and this free LLM and runs them for himself doing whatever he wants with itStep 2. ???Step 3. Profit >>741549417>3weekendsThat's pretty small fry for the going into games machine.
>>741549367Sillytavern isn't an ad. It's shilled here because /g/ likes it because it's a bunch of elitists who get off on bragging about having powerful PCs and running everything on their own hardware.The average chatbot user is on sites and the sites are huge. The chatbot market is growing fast. It's going to overtake porn.
>>741548932It's sandbox RP + ERP. Writing-adjacent. Since you are physically writing for your character, interactivity is high, and you're not limited in what you can do. Consider it like a solo DND.
>>741549569>>741549624>implying the promoted "viral" ad threads aren't terribly obviousThere aren't really any newfags any more, you don't have to humiliate yourself like this kiddo.>>741549658I don't know what ERP is.>Consider it like a solo DND.Well, whatever floats your boat. Thanks for the reply.
>>741549417It took me 15 minutes and some help from anons on/lmg/. kobold is braindead easy.Enjoy begging for API keys and having Sam Altman jerk off his circumcized jew cock to your logs.
>>741549773>doesn't know what ERP is>calls others newfagsit's as if an amish person logged onto the internet to LARP as one of those evil 4channelers he heard abouteither way, you're genuinely retarded
>>741549624There are some 5 'big' names in SillyTavern hobby and they're all in this thread.
>>741549773lurk 9 years before posting
>>741549121Can 4.8 do explicit fuck sex lewd?
I swear to god if I have to read one more sentence about crawling on my knees but there's a description of the heels of my shoes digging into the ground
>>741549773>I don't know what ERP is.You have to be 18 to post on this site little buddy
>>741549568It's better in every way except for Xi reading your logs
>Gemma 4 21I keep trying to generate an Aunt-nephew story on Kobold and it does not seem to want to do any slow burning whatsoever. She spreads her legs on day 2 of the story and feels like fucking him from the get go instead of being reluctant no matter how much i write it, while avoiding description of sex like a plague during the climax of the story and just fast forwarding to pillow talk, despite me using an (Allegedly) uncensored version and telling it to be in detail.And thats if im lucky. Very often it falls into a repeat loop where it keeps saying "Aunt-Auntie?" 2000 times in a rowHow do i actually tard wrangle it properly? Any guides recommended to read?Also for some reason it keeps giving me the name Leo because i named her Sophie, and keeps trying to push a "She was afraid of a thunderstorm and this is where they kissed" moment early on despite several resets and attempt to swerve the story in a different direction. What the fuck does it try to reference?
>>741549980Isn't Gemma just horny like that
>>741550003I have no idea. I downloaded it because anons said its the "Best" model.Any recommendations if i should use something else and why?
>>741548912>Local costs 10x as muchAre you retarded? Local only costs as much as a gaming GPU, which you hopefully already have if you're on /v/.
>>741549869yeah. it's pretty hard to do lewd stuff with underage characters but the right prompt it's still doable.
>>741550157Yeah I'm noticing they can't say it in dirty ways, just more stiff scientific terms.
>>74154998024B is already retarded, I can't imagine using a 21.
>>741549980Gemma is fucking horny, you might want to go into your description, prefill or authors note and remove any reference of some sort of crush either way, but I've had the same issues trying to slowburn as well.
>>741550248Im retarded. Its 26
>>741549027ahem>>741550236>>741550157
>>741548927Not him but I'm an actual retard and even I got it working. Worst case just follow the guide, get GPT/Grok to walk you through it or explain shit in layman's terms if you get stuck. Its basically "install some shit, install some more shit, set up a couple shortcuts, open both of them in order, load a file that has the AI in it, enter an IP address into a thing and click connect".
>>741550337fair enough, I skimmed over those postsyou're still a massive retard however
>>741549957Have logs ever been leaked?
>>741548932>I suspect there's a lot of masturbation involved with use of AI too.For one thing I've completely stopped installing sex mods for any game. I just use AI for masturbation and vidya is just vidya now.
>>741550236It's hard but definitely possible with the right prompt
>>741549845This is a video game subreddit right? Honestly I only play retro games and stuff, maybe the odd open source game. I have no idea what the zooms are doing with their microtransaction bucks and like to peek in here occasionally. Your're not normal, it's OK if you feel you fit in here but you're actually quite bizarre compared to most of the posters I see even on this board, when I frequent it.Cope whatever way you like with this information, but I generally have no idea what half the acronyms people spout stand for.>>741549859This board is for flavor of the week garbage and things that are coming out which are being promoted, lurking would serve zero purpose. This is where gamergate started so it appears people think it's important in the culture war even today, I understand why you're huffy.>>741549915I don't know what it is but I looked it up. Erotic role play. It's incel coded, that's fine for you I guess, but I've never been interested in that myself. I've always been able to get laid.>>741550432Hm. Interesting.
>>741550650>It's incel codedno wonder you can get laid. fuck off foid.
>>741550650>This is a video game subreddit right?Depressingly enough, you're actually not wrong.
Still looking for any good RPG card recommendations. Not really picky whether its like fantasy, sci-fi or something else.
>>741550746I remember GamerGate even though I only ever, again, peeked in here occasionally. Amazing stuff, I wonder if they would have let everybody just have their stupid video games as long as it didn't mean Trump getting elected twice and now turning on Israel lol.It's clear there are a lot of... Reddit opinions here, even more than on other boards.
>>741550640Do you mind sharing the prompt? I might be tempted right now to do Opus again.
>>741550650>Erotic role play. It's incel codedLmao. What do you think women do online anon?
>>741551094Eat hot chip and lie
>>741550959I use this one: https://rentry.org/minipopkaremixYou might have to modify it a little for optimal results. You will also have to delete 2 pieces of base64 encoded text that tells the AI that your character is a cuck since the guy who made it thought it'd be funny.
>>741551094Not that anon but I agree with you. I've been swiping on dating profiles a bit recently and surprising number of girls that put "AI" in their interests that you 100% know are freaky kinksters shlicking to their vampire billionaire AI boyfriend.
>>741549226Kek I remember early chatbots, they were fun as fuck. Do you have the one where the guards say the name of a kingdom and when you asked them to write it out they handed you a blank piece of paper?
>>741551415I miss the charm of chatbots blatantly pulling shit out of their ass with absolutely no way to back it up. You still can get schizophrenic replies cranking up the temp but they're advanced enough to be able to make 'convincing' cover stories and come up with things to dig their way out.
What's the best model on nanogpt? Does anyone have a preset for it? They got all the usual ones like Kimi, etc
>>741551094>What do you think women doTwerk, charge they iPhone and lie
>>741519650Only if you like eating your own vomit
>in more ways than one>downright predatory>her smile turns feral>ozone>but only if you want to>things are just getting started>Lyra, Elara, Lily, Lysandra
*summons an adorable anthro dragon loli to bang and hang out with while I solve mysteries and fight demons in a fantasy world*I think it's ok
>>741534646@Nintendo @FBI
>>741550293Any other recommendations then?
>>741534658showcase banned word list for lulz, you are not insecure are you? (based fetish list should mean not.)
>>741551415I can't find it, but I know what you mean.>>741551585I don't really miss that. It was funny for first 5 times then it became a nuisance especially whenever you wanted something grounded.
>>741553271Sorry anon I don't into local, if I were I'd still probably use Gemma and try my best to wrangle it.
>>741553538Well, I miss it in hindsight, at least it existing. Maybe I should go look at the free tiers of Novel or AI dungeon to get my fix of retardedness because I remember how hard I wrangled even Dragon to keep my slowburn going as long as I could.
>>741521009LLMs get dementia not even halfway through the roman alphabet, I can't begin to imagine attempting to roleplay an adventure with a reddit webcrawler
>>741553852I wish old models were maintained. Stop Killing Games, but Stop Killing LLMs.
>>741540953Most horrific shit about this is after trying to sex up LLMs for a while you start to notice it everywhere, random project readmes, every public facing blog on top google results, emails and business statements. Even if they somehow remembered to cut out all the obvious dashes.>"It's not just X, its Y.">hey wait I remember that from my porn
>>741553667Look into Pewd's Odysseus AI for local.
>>741553894That 'vole' looks scary as fuck
>>741549980{ } **this anon:** "is a fucking retard who can't into .json scripting to make a character sheet that "just fucking works" with AI.": 100%, on, } { **Definition:** "A bum ass niggerfaggot that can't even get into programming, lmao.": true, }{
>>741554012hahahaha, AI-Psychosis Fuelled By Porn Fetish must be a trip huh?
>>741521009>Just play a VNlolnofuck off
>>741553538It would be nice to be able to switch to a full retard model like that temporarily when things get boring
>>741556330Have you tried messing with the settings like temperature, top k, and so on?
>>741549980>>741550041All the different Gemma models, both 26B and 31B that I've tried have been crazy, super repetitive, very purple-prosey and absolutely maxxing their slop 'isms, even after getting model specific presets. It's actually been really surprising, since everybody seems to recommend them.They DO run extremely fast for their file and B sizes, but at what cost? I personally can't stand them at all.My ol' reliable that no newer model has been able to beat is dans-personalityengine 24b.It seldom gets caught up on silly shit, I still have not nailed down what, or even if, it has any 'ism phrases and It seems very able to tank different presets without freaking out. I run a lot of vague "setting" cards and it handles generating multiple "from scratch" characters and having them interact without getting mixed up for longer chats very well. It occasionally actually throws it's own little events at me out of nowhere, and it's clever enough for my purposes.
>>741549121>opus 4.8Why use the worse and more censored model?
>>741557335>an LLM-judged creative writing benchmarkStill funny
>>741557335How come Gemini is so low?GPT just writes.Not well.But boringly.And.Repetitively.
>>741557750Because it's a satire site that some people still take seriously
>>7415578174chan or the chart?
>>741521009This, it might be working if you get all the tools working correctly and have a perfect system prompt but it's just too much of a hassle and locally context size is just too much of a bottleneck.But at least it can do the hot sexy bitch assistant who search the net and answer question for you while blowing you off and that's cool especially with TTS. I'm not done toying with it.
>>741557335What is Fable? Is it censored just like Opus and ChatGPT?
>>741555087triggered
>>741551864dark nippleswhite knucklesnot just X, but Y
>>741557335works fine on my end. i haven't noticed any significant differences between 4.7 and 4.8. i am under the impression that it is slightly better at following instructions than 4.7 but that's entirely subjective. how about you focus on using what works for you and i'll use what works for me.
>>741553328It's just Freaky Frankenstein Micro, anon. I just thought the jailbreak prompt was funny.
>>741559386>Freaky FrankensteinReally wants to be the next MarinaraSpaghetti
>>741519904
>>741560930Character AI was only good for a week.
>>741557335Quality went downhill after 4.5 though. This list is garbage.
>>741562641I still haven't been able to get tts to work for my kobold, and having a "phone call" (stt>text gen>tts) was genuinely more immersive and fun, I'm wanting to recreate this locally so bad.
>have a bajillion ERP character cards with fucked up fetish premises>best faps i have are still with the same "cute defective robot girl gives you inexperienced blowjob" card i've had for the past like 3 years
>>741562950iktf bro. I have been contemplating fantasies, but articulating them out in text and then not getting disgusted by my own creation is difficult. I've been planning to do a Splatoon city scenario complete with my own list of OCs and a part of the scenario pre written... except none of this has made it past the ideas phase despite already getting a lore and character card setup.
