>This poor company has to raise prices because muh AI excuse!>It still costs $500 to produce a steam machine and nothing has changed.They are scammers trying to offload their bags of cheap PC parts they bought in bulk.Even the most retarded person knows a margin price of $1200 cannot be anything but greed.They are not your friend.
>>741805381>It still costs $500 to produce a steam machinehow do you know?
>>741805381Idgaf if they're my friend or not, they have the best service in the fucking industry
>b-b-but its the market prices>they LITERALLY cannot afford to buy cheap PC parts, nobody can sell cheap PC parts its impossible!Explain this then. These are market prices.Valve are scammers trying to make you pay a huge margin instead of selling you a steam machine for $650.
>>741805381if they subsidized it then people would just scalp it for the parts
>>741805381Valve isn't the greedy one. The greedy ones is Nvidia and all their faggot AI shills. Blame them.
Show me Nintendos return policy
>>741805524debunked, no they wouldn't. If that was the case every single prebuilt PC for $1200 which is 3X more powerful would be gone from sites like newegg or ibuypowerPC.>>741805527wrong valve bought a bunch of cheap shitty amd parts, and are trying to do insane margins trying to make you buy their bags.They are greedy. Its not AI.
>>741805553you won't get an answer, we know epic has actual paid shill per the lawsuit from years ago. all these people do is shit on valve but never prop anyone else, because no other fucking store does better for the customer.
>>741805629>no they wouldn'tBro they did this with ps3s back in the day lmao
>>741805381>jeetseethe>niggerspacing>topic>>>/trash/
>>741805629It's the RAM and the SSD's price are just stupid high thanks to Nvidia and the AI shills. You obviously were living under a rock until Valve announced the price for the Steam machine.
>>741805438Even if there was $120 increase for ram and SSD prices going up $60 for each part, it still wouldn't cost more than $550 to make.They are GREEDY.
>>741805381Valve damage control shill faggot thread
Is it overpricedYESis it functionalYESsimple as thatremember apple monitor stand costs more and it is just piece of metal
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>>741806013if that's real then it's good, consoles deserve to get raped and valve wants third parties to helpthis beats the ps5 pro at a very good price tag
>>741805896I think your memory prices might be a little off
>>741806013>>741806183This is good, and the actual goal as well. The Steam Machine isn't about the Steam Machine, it's about the SteamOS, and destroying the closed environments of consolefaggotry. Bless the Stim Machine
>>741806183It's real anon https://www.ldlc.com/en/product/PB00745923.html
how are you guys not bored of these threads by now? it's literally the same conversation fifty times a day
>>741806435for some reason they only put the SteamOS tutorial on the french site?https://www.ldlc.com/n7282/Honestly this is what the Steam Machine SHOULD have been from the very start, not some nonsense overly-engineered laptop reject.
>>741806380They buy in bulk and steam controllers dont take memory. Fuck it add $100 to both RAM and SSD. It still wouldn't be more than $600 to produce the steam machine.This just reeks of them offloading bags and being greedy. They did the same thing with the deck LCD. They produced an inferior product for $550, discounted it months later, and then a year after that released the deck OLED for the same price of $550.They have done planned obsolescence. I predict the steam machine will be discounted to $800 in 6 months time.
>>741806558>seething jeet with no money betrays his malign mentality by projectionJust build your own cheaper Steam Machine, the OS will be free, the parts you can ostensibly source cheaper. What's holding you back and keeping you seething?
BREAKING FUCKING NEWS VALVE IS LITERALLY GASLIGHTING PEOPLE INTO BUYING THEIR OVERPRICED CONSOLE DESPITE YOU BEING ABLE TO BUY A PREBUILT THATS 2.5X MORE POWERFUL FOR THE SAME PRICE>We still think the value of the Steam Machine is there. If you're somebody looking to buy a gaming PC, we think it compares very favorably on price and feature set and quality and performance. If you're looking in the market for a gaming PC, I think it compares really favorably.>Obviously, if you just don't have the budget for it, you don't have the budget for any real gaming PC at that point, so this is just not a product for [those people], which is totally fine with us.They are literally fuming that people caught a whiff of their scam and called it out..
>>741806558>>741806879>miasmatic banerjeet seethe
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>>741805896>>741806013
>>741805629PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3BZZckCPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($211.00 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock B850I Lightning WiFi Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg) Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-6000 CL38 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Silicon Power P34A60 512 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($102.79 @ Newegg Sellers) Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX 7600 8 GB Video Card ($279.97 @ Newegg) Case: Chieftec CN-01B-OP Mini ITX Desktop Case ($161.44 @ Amazon) Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($75.98 @ Amazon) Total: $1191.16This is as close I anyone can get to a Steam Machine, and it comes to nearly $1200 when picking the cheapest parts that don't gimp the PCIe lanes and limit NVME to 4.0You could shave $120 off by putting the parts in a pizza box.
>>741807038>mATX>mini towerc'mon now, ITX and an appropriate ITX case.
>>741806013Valve bros??? What's our response?
>>741807038>windowsyou should be killed for including that shit
>>741807236but valve wants this?they just want to provide other hardware manufacturers with the blueprint and the ideatheir endgame is just being software people
>>741807219itx cases and boards are even more expensive
>>741807236>missing the point entirely, like every other poor jeetfaggot
>>741807326If they wanted to be software people, they shouldve just worked on steamOS 3 and got it ready for nvidia and intel support. It literally would've cost them no manufacturing or millions of dollars to release steamOS.
>>741807326>valve wanted to invest pre-builts Sure.
>>7418060138400F gimps the GPU by limiting PCI-E slots to 8x speeds, you literally lose half the bandwidth of the slot.
>>741807459hardware manufacturers aren't going to make hardware until they're shown there's demand for italso they can't do shit about nvidia, they're actively hostile to open sourceintel, sure, they're a part of mesa drivers but nvidia is still dragging their heels
>>741807525You're probably unaware that this is not the first Steam Machine. It was the intention back then, it is the intention now
>>741807038>windows11 in price.
>>741807601Except valve said the opposite of this.
>>741807525valve wants to see consoles and windows rapedhence why they're building all the linux infrastructure and steam big picture mode
>>741807337Yes, that's why the steam machine is appealing to normies though. They WANT a console-like experience, not a mid tower.If you're build a PC, you can do much cheaper with used parts.
>>741807721So why sell an overpriced box and not focus on Steam Os?
>>741807601>also they can't do shit about nvidia, they're actively hostile to open source???Valve literally stated yesterday that they're working very closely with Nvidia to bring official drivers to SteamOS.
>>741807459Who would have known about it?Who would have gone through the trouble of installing it?Who would use it? No, it needs a vessel to carry it into people's homes. It needs to come installed, working and without being "intimidating", confusing or complicated.This >>741807601 anon explains it well on the incentive side
>>741807240Why? Explain it to me. I bet you won't because you are a retard. Go ahead prove me right.
>>741805516>limit two per customerHow you expect valve to source millions if they can only buy two?
>>741807536a 9060 isn't going to saturate that bandwidth anyway
>>741807783See >>741807857Use your fucking brain, just this once
>>741807857People know about Steam OS from the 'eck.
>>741807240Why don't you want to play games?
>>741807783steamos is basically a finished product, nvidia is the one that needs to put in workagain, amd uses mesa drivers, intel uses mesa drivers, nvidia uses proprietary drivers that are significantly shittier and they refuse to also join mesa>>741807856and those drivers are STILL going to be shittieruntil nvidia joins mesa it's fucking hot air and nothing else
>>741807783Because focusing on a baseline for hardware allows them to tune the OS experience and gives developers a normalized target.It's also a custom sub-ITX build, like a console. This appeals to the normies who don't want nerdy big computers.
>>741807931>the biggest storefront on pc needs to sell an overpriced box to market its free OS
>>741807536even the 5090 doesn't lose that much from pcie3 x16 and pcie4 x8 is equivalent to thata card with one third of the power won't have any issues
>>741807959Most people really have no fucking clue. Techsavvy and techaware gamers are not the majority, and certainly not when it comes to consolefaggots. You're not the intended audience here, and that's fine man, move along and rejoice in normies paying a little extra to have microsoft shed tears
>>741808135Most people still won't have a clue until they release this in big box stores.
>>741807892>>741807963because you don't like india hopefully?linux is the better os moving forward
Windows is still better for gaming and everything else than Linux.
>>741808186There's a lot of work involved in building a road. Consider that
>>741808202>linux is the better osIn your dreams
>>741808129it's a well-documented 15-20% performance loss, there are videos on youtube.Make sure you find one actually using an 8400F.
>>741808202The point is the OS cost money. SteamOS and Proton cost money. That's it. That's why Windows is there.
>>741805758No they didn't
>>741808081Yes. Are you autistic and retarded?
>>741808424fair enough, thought you were just baiting>>741808264okay saar, redeem vindows all you want
>>741807236If a bunch of people buy new gaming PCs to own Valve with their comparative thriftiness a day before a Steam Sale I don't think anybody at Valve is going to have a hard time sleeping tonight.
>>741808424>SteamOS and Proton cost money.what are you trying to say? steamos and proton are free to use
>>741808424SteamOS is free. If you can assemble your own PC, you can install an OS also. You goofball
>>741808665>>741808679pretty sure his point was the development cost, not what people actually pay for
>>741808735That does make a little more sense, but not a whole lot. Why would he factor that part into his own build?
>>741808735proton is developed by volunteerssteamos is a couple of proprietary drivers slapped ontop of open source archdont act like a drooling subhuman retard
>>741808665>>741808679SteamOS may be free to use outside of the Steam machine, in the Steam machine tho it may cost money as Valve may want to recoup the decade plus they have spent developing it and hiring expensive developers and funding several projects to create the SteamOS. I think it is worth it. It is worth it if like me you think Microsoft should not be the sole arbiter of PC gaming and the Windows store should be the defacto store on PC.
>>741808892Valve hires developers just to develop the SteamOS and Proton. It isn't the volunteer thing you think it is.
>>741809151>may beit is completely free and was developed with the intention to be freeshut the fuck up
>>741809151Either my brain is stroking out or you didn't write that post very well (probably my brain stroking out) so correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, are you saying that Valve - in your opinion - might begin charging subscription fees on Steam Machine owners? Or do you mean the Steam Machine itself will just cost a little more because of this increased expense in the future development and maintenance of SteamOS?
>>741809331It is still not free of cost to Valve and they have spent more than a decade developing it. SteamOS and Proton are not created in a vaccum by itself. It requieres expensive developers and funding and partnerships (money) with companies like AMD and several others just on the side of hardware. It requires money for hardware and software. It is not free to Valve. I think it is fair to pay for it just so Microsoft cant proclaim itself PC and close PC to Windows ecosystem. If you cant see that then you are a Microsoft shill to me.
>>741809525Not a subscription fee, just a fee for SteamOS. I'm not saying this is happening just bringing it up to try and make more sense of the high price.
>>741807038You didn't pick expensive enough RAM. It has been confirmed that the Gabecube comes with a single 16gb dimm, not the cheaper 2x8 option.
>>741809816Wrong. The guy said it comes on those two options. It doesnt just come with 1 stick like you say.
>>741809785I see what you mean >>741809674 made good sense. I agree but I also do not think they will do that. I'm just guessing here, but Steam would probably carry the expense over time for Valve's SteamOS. Still, I guess it could be argued to those that claim the Steam Machine is too expensive for its hardware, that it's the price of SteamOS - at least at this early step of its spreading into the world of PCs
>>741805381>They are not your friend.i have to trust sweeny or gabe i choose gabe
>>741809816It can be either 1 stick or 2 sticks.And 2 sticks are better than 1.
>>741809816actually 1x16 is cheaperyou're also getting higher quality ram with 10ns first word latency, two sticks of that would be top tier
>>741809917>>741810057GN actually talked to Valve some more and they apparently all come with 1 stick and might go to 2 sticks later
>>741809951The people that say the Steam machine is too expensive have a point, I am also conflicted but I remember the reason there's a SteamOS in the first place.
>>741805896>trusting pricing from a random youtuber
>>741805381You’re correct but valve dick riders will blame AI or some other scapegoat for the scalper tier pricingThey may have had fixed cost manufacturing agreements in place since before the announcement and sat on their inventory until they could make maximum profit per unit
>>741805629>debunked, no they wouldn't.>hey guys we can get these parts for less than they would cost on their own>im just not gonna scalp because im a good citizen :)
>>741805516I've been really enjoying watching you fags all pretending to discover the mini itx tax for the first time
