Same thing happened with TADC. The general trend is that artists have no idea how to answer all the questions and mysteries they placed throughout the story and then the fans make fun of you for ever caring in the first place

I'm unreasonably annoyed that Mew Mew didn't have "The air crackles with freedom" in her fight.
Yes I'm autistic.

>>741917105
>Why didn't MY schizotheories happen?
>Why didn't the relationships go the way I wanted?
>Why weren't there any endgame revelations in chapter 5/7?
>this is....lazy writing

>>741917285
yeah, it's mystery box writing that ruined all these IPs. I'm seriously starting to think tobyfox will just pull a matrix so he doesn't have to answer anything

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>>741917105
>What causes this mental illness?
You mean you caring about this game meant for discord trannies? I'm not sure, ask yourself that.

>>741917105
Bro its legit meant to be the calm before the schizostorm of chapter 6 and 7. do i think its bullshit we have to wait as consumers? yeah, but i also know how to read.

>>741917493
>didn't like the shitty writing? you're just a lorefag!
>y-you just don't see the vision. you're asking me what the vision is? um... toby fox is infallible so whatever he makes is good alright?

>>741917797
how much is tobyfox paying you to keep his dick in your mouth?

I don't get how people got hooked on this garbage meant for toddlers in the first place. I actually understand it less than MLP's popularity

>>741917105
>I hope Gaster shows up and gets killed by lancer just to put you lorefags in your place…
You better get ready for shit like this to happen because it will happen. Mike reveal and Mew Mew are big indications that this is how they will handle the big mysteries. The truth is Toby simply doesn’t know how to handle the shit he’s been hinting at for years and if you just treat it like a joke and insult the people who are invested then the most toxic trannies of the fanbase will come out and laugh at you and say the games are about character interactions and silly jokes, not lore

>>741917285
Jar-Jar Abrams was not flogged hard enough for Lost

>>741917678
you're probably right but it didn't feel that much discord tranny coded at the start

I think after chapter 4 people were expecting
things to escalate more but story-wise this felt like filler. There's nothing wrong with any of the individual scenes or moments but it doesn't quite come together the way chapters 2/3/4 do. This felt like chapter 1 but with better gameplay/presentation (even makes a lot of chapter 1 references).
The ending in particular felt abrupt, the previous chapters all had a twist ending. Lots of teasing about the characters finally finding out about Kris, or Asgore explaining what the fuck happened, or what Ralsei's deal is, but none of it is paid off.
I will say that anyone that didn't see Susie/Noelle coming is fucking retarded. Years of copium and ignoring Undertale, and a bunch of scenes in previous chapters.

>>741918170
Chapter 5 is just a delayed reaction to something that should've been realized years ago. I guess it doesn't matter now, you guys blindly worshipped all the crap he churned out and now you're dealing with the consequences of having low standards.

>>741917894
Yes

I hate all the strawmanning happening. People assumed we wanted gaster and knight reveal and all of this shit. Everyone would have been happy if the secret boss was in line with jevil/spamton/knight and if they gave us a backstory on Asgore and what happened when he was a cop.

Meh. I had fun during my internet blackout, playing this new chapter.
Whether or not /v/ likes it is getting increasingly irrelevant to me.

>>741918027
>Mew Mew
???
What does she have to do with the big mysteries? She is basically just another Jevil - some light lore implications but ultimately not important. I love Spamton and prefer his style of character, someone with a lot more build-up over the course of the chapter, but Mew Mew isn't some grand betrayal writing-wise.
Some of you guys really need to touch grass and learn how to criticize shit without acting like the creator murdered your family.

Cheaters 1-4 were all pretty good
Chapter 5 actually is good in the gameplay department but man lots of story and character shit was weaker this time around.
Lots of misses.

Remember when Toby thought Tenna was going to be a miss?
Now you have these chuckle fuck flowers around
Aqua is going to be the clear favorite of the bunch

>>741918623
>loli Kris is going to be the clear favorite of the bunch
No shit.

>>741918254
I swear posts like this are so gibberish and generic they could be written by AI.

>>741917105
This chapter was great. It reminded me of how much I loved Toby Fox slop.

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>>741917678
I can't even fucking fight back against posts like this anymore after the tranny garbage that Chapter 5 had. I'm sorry for doubting you, Deltatroon posters.

JAR-ORANGE!

>>741918729
Your vibe checker will improve with experience

>>741917105
i have seen a fuck ton of people openly call this chapter out as garbage

Why are you faggots suddenly pretending that chp 1-4 are flawless after constantly shitty on them for 6 months straight?

>>741918582
Exactly bro. Who even cares? It doesn’t even matter. Deltarune is just a vehicle for the fandom to pump out heckin valid shipping fanfiction and fan art. It doesn’t need to be a good story. It’s all just one big joke

>>741918957
Chapters 2 and 4 were universally loved. Chapter 3 was more controversial, and people didn't really know what to think about chapter 1 when it came out, but people always loved 2 and 4. 5 is more divided. I like 5 but I don't think it was as good as 2 and 4.

>>741918582
I'm a Mew Mew defender but having her as the final shadow crystal is anticlimactic as hell. She'll be perfectly fine if she's in fact not the final secret boss overall but as it stands I'm let down.

>>741919393
>She'll be perfectly fine if she's in fact not the final secret boss overall
Even if she's not, she ruined the pattern of the shadow crystal bosses having deeper story significance. Mew Mew wasn't taken seriously in the slightest, the entire fight was a joke.

>>741919486
>deeper story significance
Kris/SOUL relationship. It's stupid and something that's clearly been established already, but at least it's something. Maybe in the normal route Kris will learn to be nicer to us.

>>741918660
I'm saying you guys are retarded to think deltarune was good in the first place.

>>741917403
Same- Disappointment

>>741919393
still hoping for seam fight in chapter 6

>>741918928
I actually wonder if the story has been changed in any way throughout the years. Deltarune Chapter 1 was released almost 8 years ago and we're still missing 2 chapters.

>>741919708
>Kris/SOUL relationship. It's stupid and something that's clearly been established already
it has been established for US, not kris, the boss is basically telling kris metaphorically to chill the fuck out. we know that kris doesn't want to be controller but theres another side to that that has yet to be explored until now.

>>741917105
have any anons dropped fanart in these threads yet? I know someone was taking requests.

>>741919079
Its one big commercial, and the characters are the 'toys', literally and figuratively

>>741919345
Ch2 was planned on launch, people often said it's hard carried by spamton neo
The weird route made it get some more fans, but generally people thought it was over
4 and 1 were the most liked, but people did also point out that the darkners side of things was extremely weak in ch4, it was only Gerson, jackenstein and very momentarily miss mizzle. The titan being a non character also made it one of the weaker chapter bosses
For some reason once the honeymoon period ends people generally appreciate the chapters more in hindsight, this game just has a weird reverse Zelda cycle where we hate the current shit until it's old

>>741917105
Why yes, I DO love bad hitboxes, no invincibility frames, and an area to work in that's fifty times smaller than the screen I'm playing on! 30 fps input lag??? Yes please! I hate good combat mechanics and forced gimmicks!

This is the shitpost thread. Feel free to migrate

>>741922031
>The titan being a non character also made it one of the weaker chapter bosses
I think they blew their load a bit too early with the Titan. They present us this entity that's pretty much and endgame-tier final boss in what's supposed to be the halfway point of the game, only to follow with with a pretty boy flower guy as the next chapter's boss and us taking a backseat like useless idiots while the Knight kidnaps Asgore who was also completely useless for someone who used to be the police chief.

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>>741917105
I'll say it, if no one else will.
The conceit that "Susie is out of character because living in the Dark World is making her follow the prophecy" is cope. I don't like that they chose to have her pivot so hard, that it feels tonally dissonant to how chapter 4 ended. It doesn't change the fact that it's a "Sherlock hidden episode"-tier theory by people who don't want to acknowledge what's happening in front of them.
For my part, the ideal would be that Susie is grasping onto anything in desperation to avoid the truth that's in front of her. Her friend is either dying or doomed, she isn't intelligent enough to overturn fate, and involving Noelle is the mother of all Hail Marys she cooked up on the spot to reassure Kris that Asgore and Undyne won't get murdered in the shelter. Yeah I'm trading one cope for another, so what.
A less cracked way of looking at things is seeing the differences across routes not as a complete divergence, but different facets of the same people. The Kris that endangers everyone around them for the plan is the Kris who clings to their bed in desperation, the Ralsei that treats everyone with kindness is the Ralsei that can cast HotShock and detests Flowery, and the girl who is too weak to change herself is the same one who drags you into the depths.

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>>741925314
You're probably right but in particular those "dude all I can think about is Noelle's heartbeat" lines are either a hint that something's weird or the most cringe thing ever written

>>741918623
>Now you have these chuckle fuck flowers around
Actually, these chuckle fuck flowers are confirmed to not return in later Chapters due to being too delicate to relocate to Castle Town

>>741923806
chapters 4 and 5 dark worlds should have been switched up IMO

Deltatroon
Trannytale

Do any anons still plan to plan chapter 6/7 despite this mostly dogshit chapter?
I have a feeling it might be good but then again, toby may fuck it up again with this egotistical tranny team.
Also what the hell is the deal with sans? I originally have a theory where sans might be an actual threat, not in terms of boss fight but how he practically functions in deltarune. My theory centers around that sans might be a watchguard/watchman? for kris and or the soul. He activily but silently and subtly engages with scenarios involving kris or his friends n family. In chapter 2-3 in the store with asgore and toriel, in chapter 4 he enters kris' house by seducing toriel and in 5 during the weird route, we can't go to the beach until we talk to sans and get bread from him. Bread? of all things? Note, even if you get the bread, you can not eat it or throw it away despite having only 3/20 hp. It's likely that sans is using the crumbles to track and follow kris around like a stalker, actively pursuing people close to him under the mask of an average joe, whore wrecker, whatever people normally perceive him as. It's also my theory that this checks out sans' sentry job from undertale, and papyrus where they both are performing the same roles in this world under a different guise for a certain someone (gaster? friend? the knight?). Papyrus being the man behide the tree, and sans being sans in the overworld, both watch-guarding different sections of both worlds as a look out for kris and the soul. Note the same behaviour with eggs that you get from the man as with the bread, you can't eat them, use them, or throw them. Sans and papyrus are stalkers. If my theory is true, and everything gets "fixed" in chapter 6/7 and toby somehow makes up for everything, It will be the toppest of kinos.

>>741926614
Of course I'm still going to play the remaining chapters. Chapter 6 could be comprised entirely of a 3 hour video of trannies lecturing you about the importance of pronouns or whatever other bullshit toby loves to virtue signal about and I would still play chapter 7 just to see what's there. I'm far too invested at this point to bail now. Plus it'll probably have a banging soundtrack no matter what and that's reason enough for me to stick with it.

>>741926614
Well I already paid for it, might as well see how the weird route ends, it is the only thing that kept me going after the disaster that was the ferris wheel scene in chapter 2, and it is still pretty much lifting the entire game up on its back like Atlas.
>Sans
He has Gaster Blasters so he likely has some connection to him, still he was forced to flee DR for some reason and is now stuck in the UT universe, but he clearly knows more than he lets on

>>741917105
>THE MYSTERIES AND PAY OFF HAVE BEEN AMAZING
...what payoff? this shit is going to be a 10 year mystery box edging session. i guess zoomers are too young to have experienced something like this before, but toby does not have a master plan and whatever he had sketched out in the beginning has already been changed a bunch in response to the fanbase. the "payoff" will not be satisfying, if you're playing this shit for "the lore" you're gonna have a bad time. if you think this is building up to some scene where gaster reveals himself to be the big bad and gives a big monologue explaining everything and linking deltarune/undertale, then you're gonna have a really bad time.

only way to enjoy some long episodic thing like this is enjoy it for what it is (the music, the little chapter gimmicks, i guess the characters even though none of them are that deep). lorefags are setting themselves up for disappointment

I feel like an idiot but why did the knight open a dark fountain in chapter 4? If it was to capture toriel couldn't they just have seen that she wasn't there before opening it? Initially I thought it was to capture Alvin or something but he's at the festival.

This is the biggest dark world yet and it's also the most barren of depth.
No hidden tidbits about Asgore's past, no interesting Darkners that tell cryptic clues about the remaining mysteries.
At least in every other chapter there were background things that you could investigate and find, making them feel a lot more alive, this one is just pretty crappy

Gerson works well as an anti-schizoboss to subvert expectations. Besides that, refusing to even try outdoing Spamton is among Toby's biggest faults with the game.

>>741927452
That's why people say it feels like a fangame, it is fanservice first
Reminder chapter 1 came out 8 years ago so there is real world nostalgia for it (and people that just consume media but don't think things through ate it up)

I'm not exactly a big fan of Toby "LARPs as an enigmatic Japanese crative" Fox's writing, but it feels like the whole point of this chapter was to push multiple characters forward in terms of their development. In terms of where Susie, Kris, and Ralsei are as characters, it feels like they all had a significant change in mindset from Chapter 4. I have no clue if it'll lead to anything good, though. A small part of me still can't believe I'm supposed to take the Susies and Noelle romance seriously, even though I should probably just accept that I'm going to be expected to care when that entire thing ends "tragically."

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>>741919345
>Chapters 2 and 4 were universally loved.
Reblog!

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>>741918623
>Aqua is going to be the clear favorite of the bunch
She already is!

>>741918623
i liked the flowers a lot, i know /v/ is gonna hate them because the cowboy and ballerina are gay lovers. it was the light world prologue bit that really shat the bed for me character-wise, the noelle and susie shit is just not interesting, especially for how much is being dragged out. at this point it HAS to be a fake out romance or toby is seriously a hack. i suspect he planned it that way but may change his mind because the majority of the zoomer fanbase probably likes the pairing

>>741919345
i know that's the majority opinion, but it's so bizarre to me. chapter is only interesting because it introduced the "weird route" stuff, if you just go in blind and play the normal route, it's pretty boring imo. spamton is cool but doesn't save the whole thing for me. chapter 4 is good but it gets its little dick sucked too much, the "lore" aspects people gush about are mostly just more mystery box stuff that might not even get a payoff for several more years.

3 was my favorite because it's gimmick heavy and the gimmicks are the best part of these games. it also reveals kris is the one making the fountains, which is arguably the biggest "lore" tidbit we've gotten so far in the series (even if it's also just an answer that leads to more questions). 5 is fine, the festival stuff sucked but the platforming gimmick was good and flowery is based

>>741927667
Yep, while not much happened in the overarching plot other than Asgore being kidnapped, it definitely felt like Ralsei and Suzie went through a lot character-wise. Ralsei probably for the better and Susie for the worse.

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> Just finished chapter
> Susie asks Kris to walk her home
> That 'home' is the dark world castle at school
I'm very worried.

I don't really get the direction of the weird route. chapter 2 was all about making noelle "stronger" by having her ice npcs in the darkworld until she could learn a spell to one shot berdly. Then in chapter 4 I guess kris just went "nvm" off screen until we force her to equip the thorn ring again. This gives her the courage to do something crazy, then she drowns herself with kris. I don't get it

>>741926614
why wouldn't i? i already paid for it and i'm not some lore psycho who spends every day waiting for the next chapter. i'll mostly forget about deltarune by next week until the next chapter's release is announced

Don’t you fuckers have a general in /vg/ to discuss this?

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>>741917105
>Keep saying it

>>741929541
They do but they like posting a million threads here to talk about this cuck simulator

>>741917573
DR was obviously pulling a Matrix from day one in a sense.
Unless you mean just shitty cop-out endings.

Is it just me, or are Toby's jokes starting to suck out loud? I didn't laugh once in the sections with the yellow cowboy trying to punish himself

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>>741918729
Come home, straight man.

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Noelle might be a good representation of how some people want a submissive partner until it goes wrong. It's contradictory how she wants to give up control to (you) and yet demands it, even forces (you) to do it.
I'm just probably projecting dealing with those ddlg girls. Never had a relationship with a girl willing to call me daddy end well. They were never happy unless I made every decision in their life.
In sense, Noelle is fucking insane. Normal Route, Suzy is fucked. Hopefully Side B results in Noelle dead. Fox doesn't have time to fucking attempt to play shrink with the monstrosity he created.

>>741925314
i just can't see it being anything else bro
with the context of the aborted weird route and noelle monologuing about how she was wrong, things can't change, and she's being forced into doing noelle things again, interspersed with fragments of the susie date moment, it seems impossible that she's actually on board with a susie relationship

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>>741917105
I liked the dark world but the suselle shit was a humiliation ritual for /hmofa/, /doe/ and /sus/
Woulda been a great chapter if the Dess mystery got more attention but nooo toby has to force yurishit and pride month faggotory

>>741929570
That obese faggot might of had his cuck video released, but he's the only reason I'm in so deep with Undertale and Deltarune. Fuck his bullshit. he probably jerks off reading my reply. Just like that methed up dumbass monkeyjones. Atleast he lost everything for a girl who he made into a crackwhore. Really fuck whoever got me to watch either sextapes. Life be easier not remember why I can't give a shit about those faggots.

>>741930057
>It's contradictory how she wants to give up control to (you) and yet demands it
anon in dom/sub matters the sub always has the final say in everything
that's just how it works

>>741930057
I'd prefer femdom

i liked this chapter, i'm just sad that there was no berdly festival route

>>741930057
>Noelle might be a good representation of how some people want a submissive partner until it goes wrong. It's contradictory how she wants to give up control to (you) and yet demands it, even forces (you) to do it.
being sexually submissive is about roleplay and doesn't mean they're someone who wants to actually be submissive all the time in normal life

>>741930305
normal route is about how great lesbian love is. weird route is about how dark and evil hetero sexual love is. chapter 7 will just be a video of toby flipping off the player and announcing his transition

>>741917105
I still have not paid for this game.

>>741928863
i wouldve been okay with gay cowboy and tranny black ballerina if they were children to finish the parallel
its weird seeing them acting that way as adults

>>741930456
Good. You should keep it that way

>>741930305
Not a gay hater, and I didn't mind Suselle since I wanted Kris to germ the darkner goat, but I thought your choices mattered and you could've ended the day with Kris dating Susie, Noelle or even Birdley. Boy was I wrong

>>741925827
Well no, when the roaring happens the dark will reach the flower shop once again, maybe we will meet them all again except for Flowery.
Like I need Lancer and Aqua shenanigans cmon

>>741930548
>Not a gay hater,
Why not? Do better.

>>741929541
The janny in vg shilled out 3 day bans to anyone criticizing the game.

>>741930527
I mean, does it matter how they look? They're all just copying what they think humans are like with a very tenuous understanding of what 'human' even is. Hell, one looks like a female Frankensteins monster and another is a literal mouse.

>>741930340
It's the only way to stop rape allegations,true

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Side B will be the original unchanged Deltarune story with Kris as the protagonist along with Noelle and Ralsei, Susie goes back to support character

>>741930610
Because I'd have to hate you.

>>741929507
Weird route is about defiance of the game world you're in and path you're stuck in. Simple as that.

I thought that would mean perpetually freezing the world, but apparently it's about escaping it now.

>>741930676
What's that about a side B? Did I miss something?

>Expecting quality and depth from a troonerslop quirk Chungus redditfest
No joke, shame on you all.

>>741930543
I intend to. Toby got too much money from Undertale, it's a wonder this wasn't free.

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I'm going to be very disappointed if all of the weird route is just leading up to Noelle getting turned into a pizza

>>741930671
except for green and orange, they resembled adult humans closely enough that seeing them being involved in infantile antics evoked a visceral reaction

>>741930379
It's pretty hard for some people to draw the line between roleplay and reality. Just like the dark and light world.
Then again, broken girls with daddy issues are the easiest to find, but the most regrettable.

Why did toby stole neon genesis evangelion font though?

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WHY WAS THE GONER BIRD ABSENT FROM THE WEIRD ROUTE? WAS IT TRYING TO STOP US FROM GOING OUT INTO THE OUT OF BOUNDS ZONE? DID SOMEONE REMOVE HIM?

>Burger King foot lettuce
>T-posing
>gamer gf
Were these all jokes from Chapter 1 that Toby just didn’t get around to using?

>>741930728
I guess that makes sense. The whole noelle suicide thing is still weird to me. It doesn't really seem like she has any plan or idea. She doesn't know about the prophecy or anything so it's not like shes trying to purposefully fuck up fate or anything. She could have had the same outcome if they both just ditched town by going past the police tape on the west side of town. I guess she wasn't really thinking straight though

>Shelter fountain is unfathomably dark
>Gaster trapped within his own creation
>Kris had to get the soul from somewhere
>Kris also has access to the shelter already and knew the code
>Ch7 won't be a shelter chapter it will either be full hometown chapter due to the roaring or happen on an altered Castle Town
Ch6 Gaster bros

>>741930859
I dunno, for me they just felt like non-human 'things' parading around in human suits (or what they think are human suits)

>>741931228
if it was as simple as just walking out she wouldn't have needed kris to begin with. the town is surrounded by invisible walls on all sides, the only remaining idea she has for a way out is to cross the lake and she needed kris to not die doing that.
you're right that she doesn't have a plan or any idea what she's really doing after that, she just wants to get the fuck out of her shitty life. it's a reasonable enough motivation since some people do feel this way IRL, especially when they're teenagers.

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>>741917105
Pink would've been properly scizo if Mad Ghost hadn't taken over her body.

>>741931580
Booba

>>741920527
You might have bullet points established but small things and sometimes big things always change once development starts, people act like the whole story was outlined from the start but the reality is that's never true and the story is only truly locked in when you ship, anyone that has ever created something in their life will tell you this.

>>741931228
noelle spent a lot of time glitching around in video games
now she knows she's in one
she probably tried leaving herself and couldn't get out so her mind goes to how to glitch out of bounds and she settles on going through the lake as the most likely candidate (obviously the other side wouldn't have escape protection like invisible walls since nobody is supposed to get out there in the first place)
it's not suicide, she doesn't expect to die in the process
the whole scene is her talking about doing the impossible with kris, NOT dying there would be impossible but it's exactly what she sets out to do

>>741927872
too tall

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>>741918729
You're not alone in this one
At this point, you're better off ignoring shitposters. They won't understand how the game used to be good until the halfway mark

Seems to me Chapter 6, much like Chapter 3, is not meant to move the LORE forward since it is already damn long but rather hint at the existence of the eggs and the shadow crystals for when new players experience this game in the future.
So if you would play the game blind you would know these are elements in the game.
Even the weird route is communicated clearer to the player than the existence of the genocide route in undertale which was merely a comment sans made and what a comment it was
>Yeah you are not nearly as bad you could but erm don't kill more?

From the gameplay perspective I liked this episode, not as memetic and the little nods to fan projects were sweet.
The problem is that well Toby is hinting Chapter 7 already and well Toby...
YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG

>>741932124
Eggs is too obscure/cumbersome for normal players, it's 100% ending as a gag, think of it as the Koroks of Deltarune.

Shadow Crystals is probably ending on an extra boss and a busted piece of equipment.

Weird does derail the prophecy but ends on a worse ending where Noelle freezes everyone, everything, and goes full psycho, she becomes the Sans tier fight of the game, but even if you win, the situation doesn't improve, you're just alone in a frozen land.

Vanilla is the main bad ending where the Roaring happens but Ralsei is lying about how bad it really is, it only means that light and dark fuse and Titans appear, but you can win.

This is why I'm glad I'm a writefag first

>>741917105
the real ending is going to be in the aborted weird route

When did you realize that toby is extremely spiteful and changes things drastically based on fan theories which is why each chapter takes longer

>>741932559
Maybe Mikefags were right

>>741917105
Chapter 3+4 end with the Knight+Titan which are very hard to follow up. Doesn't help that the first half of the chapter is forced Suselle and people thought you would be able to choose your date even if Berdly would had been the only real option albeit a joke since the girls want each other.

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>>741917285
The comparison goes deeper than you'd think, they both baited their audience into thinking that there would be a bigger plot with breadcrumbs sprinkled throughout only for the whole thing to just be Tumblr comfort slop and nothing more

>>741932729
The tone of ch5 was not the problem, going for one last light hearted adventure before the chaos and seriousness of the roaring is a good idea.
The problem is the end of the chapter being chill, terrible mistake, because it makes it feel as though nothing happened.
I was entering this fully expecting to close on the start of the roaring, with dark fountains spilling up everywhere at once.

But nope, it closes on an aspect most fans do not care about: Tumblr shit, which comes across as tone deaf from Toby and it actually quite worrying because it made me look things up and Toby has hired insidious snakes in, Deltarune is entering a RWBY downfall storywise, but hey, so long as the game is still fun I can still skip all dialogues.

I just don't get why he keeps hiding the final prophecy. I was hoping that after completing chapter 5 we'd see more of it in the little intro video that plays, but we get nothing.

>>741917797
>Dude chapter 2 is the last chapter before the schizostorm
>Dude chapter 3 is the last chapter before the schizostorm
>Dude chapter 4 is the last chapter before the schizostorm
>Dude chapter 5 is the last chapter before th-
Shut the fuck up

>still calling them "schizobosses" after it was revealed that they have literally no cohesive theme
The absolute state

>>741933104
Susie's reaction gives that part away, I thought it was obvious, it's the end of the darkness and thus all darkners.
Before ch5 and the compromising of Susie as a full on LGBT troon, she was written as caring about darkners and adventures and dark fountains more than anything, from that perspective, if the final prophecy was The End of the Dark, her reaction and Ralsei's made complete sense.

>>741917105
>What causes this mental illness?
Hype. The fans are too blinded by hype to think about the game critically. Same shit happened with TADC. It's popular so you HAVE to like it.

>>741933127
>>Dude chapter 3 is the last chapter before the schizostorm
This is correct

>>741933241
yea it makes sense that it's most likely something like that, but why not confirm it in game. There's so many different mysteries that are going on why not just give at least a relatively minor one a definitive answer.

>literally filled to the brim with unfunny twitter references
>went completely mask off cause it's faggot month and raped Susie's already flimsy character
>turned Asgore into an outright faggot because Toby hates his father
>nothing concerning the actual plot
>snowgrave is shit and lasts 5 minutes
Is this the worst chapter ever made?

>In Chapter 4, we did some epic memery on the Reddizon...
>That's why, ("sore dake" for all my baka gaijin out there, teehee!) let's not look there for now. Let's turn around and watch our shit, as it goes down the toilet completely.
>Let's take a shit all over the story.
>Let's fuck it up right near the end, okay?
>...
>In my opinion, being cucked fits the overall story of my life.
Amazing game, you guys got it good.
Eat up, pigs.

>>741933127
3 to 4 will probably be remembered as the highest point of DR, it was a perfectly handled light headed adventure with some shades going on (Ramb, Eram, knight), to set the stage for ch4 where characters do a lot of reflecting, snap, and brace up for the festival that was hyped as a major point.

And then came ch5 and all that went out the window, including Asgore that was supposed to be the main character of this chapter, all that replaced with "dude I'm married to Noelle now can't FLIRT with floradin lmao".
Troons have successfully won over DR, Susie and Noelle will kiss on screen and it will be an unskippable cutscene.

But hey the gameplay will be great.

>>741917105
>who cares that the last shadow crystal boss was just a big joke?
Parallel to (You) and Kris, and is about as interesting as Jevil was
>>741917105
>And yeah I guess there was a big tonal shift from chapter 4
As there was from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4, and this is literally the final calm before the end of the goddamn game
>Did you really expect there to be a lore or plot reveal?
The actual plot progressed unlike in the chapter 4 dark world, the character stories progressed a lot, and we got an exploration of what happened to Asgore without getting into the endgame reveals
I'm more and more convinced you niggers don't even like this game

>>741933391
The deliveries are going to suck, see: Mike, don't over hype yourself, sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer.

>>741933468
Deltarune's gameplay is mediocre at best, let's not kid ourselves
If it was made by literally anyone else other than Toby Fox nobody would've given it the time of day

>>741933225
They are all optional semi-hidden bosses that contribute to a yet mysterious side quest and all have something to say about the nature of the world and/or characters

>>741933556
>Their cohesive theme is that they're bosses in a game called Deltarune
Incredible.

>>741933638
Yes, that is the only thing that was ever tying spamton and jevil together, you're so smart anon

>>741933398
>mask off
Are you retarded
>turned Asgore into an outright faggot
Are you retarded
>nothing concerning the actual plot
Are you retarded
>snowgrave is shit and lasts 5 minutes
Are you retarded

>>741933468
I played chapters 1-4 when they all released and I never liked Tenna cause he just felt like a redux of Queen

>>741933816
not an argument

>>741933818
Tenna's distinction trait was his loneliness.
While Queen was mostly a whacky quirky villain for the sake of one, Tenna was deeper because his shenanigans were a mask into his true self, a desperate, lonely TV that felt the pain of being left alone despite not even knowing wtf was going on and why everyone suddenly left.
He was both entertaining and endearing, he got fucked despite not deserving it.

>>741933816
Concession: accepted

>>741933914
>>741933997
You have never played the game

>>741930762
Play the weird route, nigga.

>Didn't just kill onion
>Chopped him up and served him as takoyaki for the festival
Toby, what the fuck man?

>>741933818
I hated tenna too but the MANTLE sidequest and knight fight made chapter 3 interesting enough for me anyway.
Chapter 5 just has nothing interesting other than rage inducing artificial difficulty and goes out of its way to answer absolutely no questions, not even about asgore who this chapter was focused on.

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>krusiefag festival scenes are relegated to weird route, so you have to ntr yourself to see them
this is some next level cuckshit

>>741933957
Queen is a mother figure, and was serving roughly the same purpose in the chapter as Flowery

>>741917797
>Bro its legit meant to be the calm before the schizostorm of chapter 6 and 7
So Toby Fox learnt nothing from Undertale and he's leaving all the exposition for the end? Lol
We had more info about what's going on through the ARG and charity events than we do in game. That's bad writing. If he pulls another New Home/True Lab he's a fucking hack, periof.

>>741933818
I liked Tenna but he made me realise that literally every single character Toby writes is just the same guy each time but with a different costume

>>741934216
The crux of Toby's writing is that white men will either be cucked or feminized

>>741934245
We can guess at the broad strokes of what happened even if the specifics escape us, that's way more than undertale ever had before true lab

nobody actually thinks this wasn't the best chapter right?

What does Flowery say when he charges at soul in his battle?

>>741934417
JAROME
JA-ORANGE
JA-JUST KIDDING

>>741917678
Chapter 5 is way over the top in the troon. It was always intolerable, but the music and atmosphere and handful of good characters made up for it.
Chapter 5 is doesnt have any of that

>>741933957
Tenna was annoying as fuck, sincerely how do you people tolerate him. I hated him back in chapter 3, then hated him even more when I did the sword route a few weeks ago. Queen is at least entertaining, Tenna just wastes your time.

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>>741917403
honestly should not have been the superboss
also her fight is so obnoxious I hated every segment

>>741934552
chapter 5 has the best music atmosphere and characters by a landslide though, the troonshit was always a side thing I don't get how people obsess over ships and whatever the fuck so much

>>741932124
The issue is the placement.

3 already worked as "Final fun adventure before shit gets real" and was already great as one, especially since it released WITH 4.
4 WAS the Shit gets real chapter.
THEN 5 basically regresses, not de-escalate, Regress.

That's why people think it is either SHIT WRITING or "IT IS SHIT WRITING ON PURPOSE", but that will basically be up to 6 to determine at this point.

>>741932559
The "Key and Missed Calls" this Chapter was probably the clincher for me, way too obviously damage control to the "Wow, Toriel SUCKS" response of the last one.

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>>741929873
Terminally BTFO'd by Toby in a product he sold to thousands

>>741932559
>asgore chapter reveals nothing because of the fucking drunk driving memes

>>741934826
Honestly, I think I'd rather this have been canon than whatever the hell Asgore vagueposted about at the end of chapter 5. 'Kris, I was driving in my truck right after a beer...' would have at least been funny. But no. Toby just had to mysterybox on us.

>>741934083
Just watched, holy shit.

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>>741917105
Why did anyone even expect anything different? Do you know who is making the game? Have you played their past projects? It is amazing how some people completely lack pattern recognition...

>>741934398
If you aren't terminally online and you play the game blind without following the ARG and datamined shit you will have a really weak sense of what's going on. Seriously, make your normie friends play this game blind. Dess is barely ever mentioned, Asgore vagueposts about an "incident"... If you haven't played Undertale you might not even know how Asriel looks and make the connection with Ralsei.

I don’t think I was paying attention because how is Seth a color

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you can't spoil me i haven't looked at anything yet FUCK YOU btw where is the last pink coin? this chapter is fucking huge and i really don't want to backtrack. also beat this time fuckers

>>741934741
3 was just a continuation of the previous tone and only the boss was trying to cope, 5 is the actual main characters doing that, the end of 4 was literally setup for this and the fact that it does constantly tease Asgore shit throughout stops that from completely taking over the tone
"One last fun adventure before the point of no return" is not something you do one third of the way through the story

>>741934958
Right is infinitely more popular and beloved than the left, btw. If this is supposed to be a mogging, it doesn't work.

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Bravo, Robert Fox. I got the reference and clapped!

>>741934958
Deltarune has had a different tone from undertale since the beggining, it's why I had hopes it'd be the mystery dark tragedy the game is selling itself as at least to some extent instead of the cringefest it's turning out to be.

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is it just me thinking they are going to retcon Ralsei into a girl? I remember someone referring to him as "she" during the last part of chapter 5 but it might have been a typing error

>>741934826
The fact that the retarded community is unironically influencing this game should clue you in as to just how shitty things will get

>>741934975
>Dess is barely ever mentioned
She's mentioned all over, starting in easter eggs and shit you'd have to intuit but building toward the big ass chapter 4 scene, plus there's several mentions of the demon summoning and shit related to asgore that would make a connection between those possible to figure out if you dig a little(as is the point of a mystery)
That being said, trying to bring back shades of old internet culture for a time is part of the point of the game on a meta level

Chapter 5 should have been Chapter 3 or 4, or even 2. In everything but the weird route it deflated all tension for no real reason, and in many ways it feels like just another introduction.

>>741935085
You got pranked anon

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>>741934958
>she had to change it from LISA's Austin Jorgensen because she kept getting called out whenever anyone pointed out Austin went into a depressive white guilt episode after the death of his father

>>741935147
Tension going exclusively up forever is not a thing that stories do, and up until the knight fight 3 has significantly less tension

>>741935053
You got the clap?

>>741935053
I did too, I thought Seth was a nerdy girl when i was a kid cause ESL and my copy didn't have a Manual. So i kinda get why Toby made Seth THAT.

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hmmm yes kris remember when that thing happened
that thing was so terrible
that terrible thing
when i was a cop
i just need to investigate that thing
yes i know about the dark world isnt that interesting
it must be related to...
the thing that happened
no i wont elaborate or reveal anything
because you already know everything about the thing that happened

Chapter 5's whole deal is how fake everything is and it being the last sense of escapism before everything goes wrong. Flowery knows it's all escapism but plays into it to allow the others to participate in this fun world. It's clearly also referring to nostalgia as a form of escapism with Asgore hanging out with his friend from college and also the fact that we start in the first area from chapter 1. Chapter 6 and 7 are going to be bleak.

>>741932559
In chapter 3 when he made fun of schizo theories, also Mike. Chapter 5 literally breaks the pattern "Deltarune is Undertale but reversed" because it was getting too obvious with chapter 4 being Waterfall. This infuriates me and I feel like Toby has no vision besides that fever dream ending. I feel like I got tricked into investing too much into this shit, Undertale was very meaningful to me and I thought Deltarune could be even better. Deltarune is the only game I was looking forward to. Until chapter 4 it felt like it was important, like it meant something. Call me crazy, cringe, autist, whatever I don't care. Yes maybe I took a shitpost game too seriously and that's on me, but maybe Toby is a shit writer too.

I'm curious what Deltarune would've turned out if the very original plan (Chapter 1 as a demo, rest of the game later at once, similar to Undertale) went out without chopping the game up into episodic updates.
How unrecognizably different would it have looked? Would we have actually gotten a proper Mike encounter? A fight with Ramb? Rouxls Kaard mini-boss for each chapter? Would the Flower King Dark World be as wapanese? Would Asgore actually tell what THE INCIDENT(TM) was all about?

>>741935327
We're not getting any lore period until chapter 7 and it's going to be solid hours upon hours of exposition about every single thing you've wondered about for the past almost 10 years. Please look forward to it.

I think I understood something:
I think it was Flowery that said that hometown stood on top of unfathomable darkness?
Well, that explains a lot with dark fountains and why they only appear if someone uses a knife on the ground, it's because when you do, you are stabbing at the something right below hometown and the dark fountain that pours out is the blood of whatever that is.
The shelter is 100% going to be the access point to that thing, because shelters are underground after all.
That's why Ralsei doesn't want anymore dark fountains to happen, because whenever a dark fountain pops up, it's because a thing below ground is bleeding and getting hurt, with the roaring being the point where the thing finally snaps, wakes up, and decides to fight back, probably going to be the final boss of the main route.

>>741935327
Asgore doesn't actually want to know the truth because he knows Rudy is involved and is clearly in love with Rudy. That's why all the writing on the papers is just a garbled mess and it's actually all performative. He wants to seem like he's trying really hard to figure out what's going on and get the guy who did it but as soon as push comes to shove, wants nothing to do with it.

>>741935562
There's a huge gas reserve under the town and stabbing the ground causes a gas leak.

>>741934975
That's me. I refuse to do any ARG shit. I refuse to play the game through TWICE and go through the "weird route." I don't know anything about friend or Mike or shards beyond seeing them mentioned.

>>741935710
>Dark fountains are nothing but gas induced hallucinations
>The roaring is nothing but a huge gas-induced explosion that erases Hometown
The funniest part is it's not impossible

>>741935810
monsters haven't figured out mercaptan yet, very sad

>>741935779
Me neither, I only make sure to get shadow crystals before exiting a fountain, the schizo bosses are a big gameplay boon, especially since vanilla bosses feel too easy, with maybe the exception of pre-nerf Flowery

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he showers our souls with incredible deals
and with hearty Pipis, our heart he so steals
no fool would be greater
than he who denies
that Spamton give me the chance to earn
wild prize

not a circus clown, who's more sick
than he funny
a lovable salesman, who give me free money
you may ask, who is next?
you may ask, who will be?
who will be secret boss of adventure No 3?
me dont knows, and me dont cares!
me only care about Spamton
the rest can go up in the airs!

this game really did peak with chapter 2 and spamton

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>>741935072
Yeah I too was hoping Deltarune would cool it with the quirky humor a bit, make it more serious and yeah maybe more dark and mature too. I think the dark undertones in Undertale is what made it feel special. Similar to Earthbound where everything is happy-go-lucky with an impending doom underneath the surface. I was hoping Deltarune would be dark, darker yet darker. Guess I was a retard for investing myself in a big joke.

>>741935341
All of that was already conveyed in chapter 3

>>741917797
While I do think for the overall pacing of the game/story this is a good spot for a """filler""" chapter... this game is already really long when played as a single thing and there's still two more chapters to stack on top of it. Actually playing this game from start to finish when it's complete will be an ordeal.

>>741935327
and he was a good friend

>>741935875
I think pre nerf flowery was harder than jevil and spamton at least. The problem is it's bullshit artificial difficulty rather than good design like knight.

>>741935779
You're playing it wrong, anon. Toby intended for you to go digging through ARGs like a detective and discuss the mysyery in the years between updates so he could blueball you at the end.

>>741935562
>That's why Ralsei doesn't want anymore dark fountains to happen
Ralsei is going to fight Kris, isn't he?

>>741917105
Chapter 5 wasn't bad, but Toby should've swapped it with Chapter 4.

Once you give a darker tone to a story, you shouldn't randomly go back on your tracks.

>>741936085
Did you play the game retard? Ralsei knows that Kris opened the fountain, but he trusts them.

>>741936089
I guarantee you that even if Chapter 6 is the edgiest shit ever that it'll still start goofing around again right after.

>>741935001
7 Chapters, anon, not 10. 4 is basically the halfway point.

Lemme put it as what i, and presumably some other people though i can't speak on behalf of anyone else, thought after 3:.
>1,2,3.
Fun Adventures (3 only goes FUN STOPS at the very end)
>4,5,6
"Serious" adventures.
>7
Final Dungeon and Boss.

4 still had plenty of Fun stuff mind you so it is not like im talking full "NO FUN ALLOWED" here, but rather the overall swerve.
>5 is the actual main characters doing that,
Which goes to the "On purpose" category.

>>741934958
Tynan is also a dumbass who thinks ChatGPT is alive though

>>741930808
Hate to break it to you, anon, but she's used up now. The jump to the higher layer probably killed her. They're going to the Meat Factory, she's going to become a pizza.

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>Artist hates his creation for no reason
>To the point of turning them into a punching bag and having them reduced to tears in public

>>741935930
Spamton will go out as not only a memorable character but also a great schizoboss.
Mew mew was fun and hard af but as a character she's fucking nothing, walking "uwu nyan nyan oniichan" trope.

>>741936245
>Mew mew was fun and hard af but as a character she's fucking nothing, walking "uwu nyan nyan oniichan" trope
God i hate that shit was going full xenoblade 2 w the weirdo tranimme shtttttt

>>741936192
Some goofing off is fine, Undertale had it too (except in the Genocide route, and seems like the Weird Route won't have any of that either), but a WHOLE ASS CHAPTER where they go on a fun adventure without Susie worrying about who the fuck opened the fountain, right after they fought a world ending threat, and the chief of police has been missing for 2 days.

>>741930671
>does the design of the characters matter

WHAT A STUPID FUCKING QUESTION. WHY DO I SHARE A BOARD WITH FUCKING IDIOTS WHO EVEN THINK THIS IS EVER WORTH TYPING TO ANOTHER HUMAN FUCKING BEING

>>741935562
So the dark dragon from mother 3 then
Bravo tobias

>>741936245
>Mew mew was fun and hard af but as a character she's fucking nothing, walking "uwu nyan nyan oniichan" trope.
No wonder based long tume channers, such as myself, hated it whilst all the post-GAIA tranime tards suckcocked it.

>>741918729
I've been saying for years that this game is just a lesbian fetish melodrama (weird route still interests me thoughbeit)

>>741935810
>explains the crater where everyone lives in Undertale
welp Toby better change the story now

>>741936236
That's just Andrew Hussie

>>741918729
Based hater squad getting more and more stronger. Love to seen it!

>>741936458
Thanks to our friends of the Sharty squad. Feels like old 4chan is comming backer and backer each day!!!!

>>741936245
mew mew is a carryover from undertale's bizarre post-mortem additions from the switch version, she's possesed by the ghost that possessed the training dummy. In deltarune it's unclear where this ghost came from, but seems like there were too many undertale references for this character to just be nothing.

the part that frustrates me about this chapter is how seemingly pointless this whole detour was, none of these undertale references lead to anything in the plot of deltarune, and we don't learn anything new, beecause asgore just says the vague "that thing" "that happened" "that day" "that caused the event".

if the main plot moves nowhere, everything feels like a waste of time, like mewmew.

>>741936458
I don't understand people who are mad that Deltarune is woke.

Did you guys play UT with your eyes closed or are you just plain retards?

>>741934975
granted he's said multiple times you really should play undertale first

>>741936525
Kids have grown up, and their tastes have changed.

>>741936610
More like they were too stupid to notice the blatant queer rep in Undertale and now they're mad it's in Deltarune, too

I just found out that if you kill the Titan Spawn in chapter 4 Jackenstein won’t appear in your castle town. Doesn’t matter that at that point he’d already be saved by the church darkners, the game still acts like the Knight killed him.

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Plapping Seth's big purple ass

>>741936204
4 is the full depression chapter, letting up for 5 to lay more careful groundwork with a lighter tone before diving back in for the final 2

>>741936687
>those bigass buck teeth
hey wait a minute, that's not Seth, that's Veth!

>>741917105
But we did get lore from the Shadow Crystal boss
>The Flowers didn't realize Pink wasn't a Flower meaning she manipulated their psyche
>She was able to see and push out menu icons to which we got lore dropped a few moments ago
>The living proof of a Lightner and a Darkner fused together as one something Spamton was attempting to do with YOU
>The Ghost's dreams of being able to move Mew Mew as her body became hopeless and turned into a Shadow Crystal of her own, telling us the player that not all Shadow Crystals were put there by The Knight overall
This is also foreshadowing for what will come of Kris and Ralsei, mark my words. Were going to have Pink in our Castle Town and she's a Lightner, dunno what will come of that

>>741934975
>won't make the connection with Ralsei
The story wants you to be suspicious of Ralsei, you just get the Asriel namedrop a few times. His character is fine without playing Undertale.

>>741936687
It's funny how Toby basically made his own Homeestuck fankid and said kid wound up being top quality they/them pussy.

>>741936515
Mad Dummy is very much a character, and directly parallels Kris similarly to Spamton NEO
Asgore actually reveals how the family broke up, and Susie connects with Kris more on that basis, we also get tipped off far more about the kind of shit Ralsei is holding back
And the main plot very obviously moves forward thanks to the events of the chapter

>>741936525
UT didn't have a gay bloke in a tootoo strutting around with flamboyant text and an entire (albeit optional scene) dedicated to beating asexuals with hammers

>>741935053
I wonder what he was named in Japan

>>741936803
I wanna see their weak low test dick flop around and drool cum while I hump their wobbly ass

>>741936192
>>741936340
Jackenstein remains Toby's best use of goof
>Surrounding chapter is serious, even the whimsy of Church characters is something played straight but from another perspective
>Arcs are serious
>Jack is a silly miniboss that gives an ounce of levity before hope and tension build themselves back up right after

If the rest of chapter 5 were actually quite serious, then a goofy superboss might have been great. Instead the entire story is just one big goofy irony-poisoned mess

Man, FUCK bomberman

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>>741936867

>>741936867
You can't be this fucking stupid

>>741936895
My only strat was to hide in the bottom right corner and panic and run when that side was targetted.
Also rush to phase 3 instead of staying on 1-2 to heal, 3 is much easier.

>>741936880
>entire chapter is irony poisoned
Flowery and Asgore's scenes dip into serious tones all the time, and the levity is explicitly a distraction

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>>741936915
Mettaton is more clearly a play off David Bowie or other glam rock stars. At no point did he ever strike me as a flaming homo.

>>741936569
And to understand Undertale fully beyond what Waterfall, New Home and True Lab tell you, you need to read every single datamined thing meaning or watch a video on Gaster and how he relates to Sans somehow and who is actually Chara because there's no direct connection between Chara the demon and the first fallen kid and whatever that first kid was evil or not. BUT WAIT! Toby also adds EXTRA LORE in charity events and updates such as: https://youtu.be/Vk3BZ7v_uDI?is=QaLmEQzecY3MvZgv. So to get the integrale Undertale experience you need to be, again, terminally online. You shouldn't have to play a previous game, watch lore dump videos, follow an ARG and participate in external events to understand the game you're currently playing. Specially because Undertale is neither a prequel or a sequel, it's a parallel story. And yes I'm a terminally online Undertale/Deltarune fan, I was there when all this shit was going on. But having to depend on mixed media to get the plot of a game is bad writing.
This game won't age well, not the same way Undertale did.

>>741917105
I dont think anyone expected the festival chapter to be anything more than filler

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>can ignore people that ignore the game
>probably could hit through the shadow mantle but doesn't
>also only appears when it's convenient
what's this thing's deal?

>>741936880
That's why I said he should've swapped 4 with 5.

Makes even more sense on the whole "let's get the shelter codes" thing.
They'd start with Asgore, who's the closest person to Kris.
Then they'd try to get Carol's code, but fail, and that's what prompts Susie to say "We have to tell Noelle about the Dark Worlds"

>>741935562
it's also why the basement in Noelle's house has the same background noise a sthe shelter
darkness is being made by something down there

>>741936872
IoG Seth? IIRC it was Morisu/Morris.
Deltarune Seth? No idea.

>>741936915
awful example and you clearly didnt play UT tourist!

>>741936978
It can be both. Mettaton is a huge faggot, and was also a female ghost who wanted a male body, so he's canonically a transgender man.

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>Woah man Toriel got drunk and fucked off with some guy!
>Erm actually, she didn't do anything wrong
>Oh man things have gotten serious, a TITAN appeared and the Knight has finally revealed itself!
>Oh noooeeess, help Susie get ready for her big date with Noelle! Behld the 7 wacky fag flowers! Their pronouns are fuck/it.
>The festival, the festival hinted at since Chapter 1. The big festival coming up. Chapter 5, The Field of Pink and Gold. The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy
>Nothing happens
>Woah I wonder what will happen in the weird route...
>5 minutes of content, see you next time!
>Hey peter, remember the time? Remember the time the thing happened? Dark worlds are escapism, escapism bad!
>Woah Susie bullies Kris because of his comfy home life!
>Erm actually, she was jealous and bullied Kris because of Noelle
>Has already been hammered over the head in Chapter 3
>Who will the secret boss be this time? What will their story be?
>It's reused Undertale character with special guest Hatsune Miku! The soul and the body don't align, haha do you understand? It's parallels to Kris!

>>741937003
i feel like she was only able to ignore flowery since his shit was just inherently fake compared to the fun gang's actual equipment
i mean, susie managed to actually chip her sword despite her axe just being a brush or whatever in reality, so there's clearly some amount of "realness" there that flowery just didn't have for whatever reason

>>741917493
Imagine being 5/7 through a game and still knowing jackshit about the story. Toby is a hack.

>>741936851
>Mad Dummy is very much a character, and directly parallels Kris similarly to Spamton NEO
At a very shallow level. Pink has a good level of thematic substance for a miniboss, but a superboss. Spamton has an incomparably greater amount more going on, especially in connection to Kris and (You)
>Asgore actually reveals how the family broke up
In the last ten seconds of a multi-hour journey, and is almost completely absent beyond that. The flower-to-Asgore ratio is completely out of whack
>Susie connects with Kris more on that basis
Which makes her behaviour at the start of the chapter (being all about Noelle, ignoring everything Kris suffered the night before) even worse
>the kind of shit Ralsei is holding back
Isn't it weird no one brings that up? Isn't it weird that doesn't actually matter? Blowing up the shuriken is so random and forgotten that it may as well have not happened
>And the main plot very obviously moves forward thanks to the events of the chapter
I wish the middle parts of the chapter had actually cared about where it was meant to end up. Imagine if Flowery pointed out the shelter code in some way, e.g using it as a bartering piece to make the gang leave or cause a rift between them. Imagine if Asgore got to do anything with the Knight other than be kidnapped without resistance. Imagine if he actually got to follow through with his wrathful talk and at least TRY.

>>741937027
Bait used to be believable

So give it to me straight, is Pink a trans allegory or not

>>741937003
It's a living plot device that's here solely to ensure the structure of the world has overarching conflict when needed.
If it were an actual character with agency, and true to its namesake, it would have started The Roaring before (You) ever entered the picture, but instead it's shitdicking around and leaving the majority of Dark Worlds to Kris.

I've had the weird route for the new chapter spoiled for me
Should I kill myself
this game is the only thing I'm looking forward to in my life and I'm so fucking addicted to 4chan that I can't even stay off of it for a few days to play the fucking game
i hate myself so fucking much

>>741937130
It is if you want it to be

>>741937130
its something in-between

Pink is the hardest secret boss for me. I beat all others on the 3nd or 4rd try, but this is like my 10th attempt and I still can barely get to 3rd phase

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>>741919486
>Mew Mew wasn't taken seriously in the slightest
Dude I got HARD whiplash going from the shop to the fight.
I can handle the fight or Mew Mew not being a gigaknower since Flowery's took that role but the pre-fight dialogue outright killed the energy and never recovered

>>741936968
>levity is explicitly a distraction
Not really. You want an example of the topic of distractions used well, you can even look at Deltarune itself and not outside of it: look at Tenna in chapter 3. Everyone's having fun and wants the adventure to continue, but it'll start to get old. Chapter 5 is just a worse chapter 3

>>741925712
Toby writes cringe, he is and has always been a bad writer with one good idea.

the secret boss is literally only the attack patterns i have never been able to process in real time

>>741936915
mettaton is cool as fuck tho

>>741937186
the bomb attack alone makes the boss multitudes harder

>>741937186
I don't see how people struggled with Gerson

It was piss easy for me, still a great fight though.

>>741937054
>a female ghost who wanted a male body
I don't think at any point was Mettaton's ghost form ever seen or his gender outright stated. He never even came across as gay either, the pink glitter room is probably more of an obsession with stardom and fame.

If Kris and Noelle swapped, what faces would Kris make at the lake?

>>741937231
You can't process the bombs fast enough, hide in a corner, run for your life when it's targetted.
Rush to phase 3 as fast as you can, the giant bombs are a free turn to heal/build doki

When will Toby finally reveal what happened to Dess and where she is?

>>741937232
I do prefer Mettaton over Blue, surely, but they're somewhat the same archetype of character and that's undeniable

>>741917105
Chapter 5 was the worst one so far imo

>>741937283
Chapter 7, enjoy 2 years of vagueposting until then

>>741937130
It's a cute girl in denial about her feelings for you
>>741937164
>addicted to 4chan
could you not at least look up some actual good games then?
Or just book the release day off next time to play it?

>>741937126
I really like the potential direction Flowery could of had. I thought we were supposed to be scared of his character. Instead, it's really close, and I love the voice lines, but not enough.

>>741917105
this chaptes is setting up a gint fucking annihilator chekhov's gun pointed at the fun gang, because flowers, unlike us, are actually true power of friendship guys. Nobody hides anything from anyone, all united by a single goal. Meanwhile susie lost it and lives in a storage closet, Ralsei is going nuts with despair but also growing an ego, and kris is a backstabbing bitch who susie is catching on and ralsei finds harder to ignore. This is essentially true hero undyne encounter of deltarune.

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>>741937180
Who's the artist?

>>741937130
since Mew Mew herself is actually alive this time around it's probably less so than the original encounter

>>741937283
Chapter 7, alongside every other mystery. It's going to be hours of exposition and one singular fight against The Roaring Knight that becomes impossible to lose because the game finally acknowledges your "will" as DETERMINATION and now no one can go below 1 HP or they do the ebin decimals again.

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Does anyone else just feel kind of hollow post chapter 5? It was just really bad for so many reasons. The new characters, the writing of existing characters, the secret boss, the return to the chapters 1-3 structure, the demolishing of the stakes, the ignoring of backstories, the ignoring of furthering the plot. As I made my way through the dark world I had a growing sinking feeling in my stomach like "Is this really it, there's nothing more? Surely a big twist at the very end." And at the end of the chapter the knight shows up, kills Flowery, and kidnaps Asgore, this is literally a regression of the stakes, this already happened in chapter 3.

I can hold some cope in the fact that Toby probably had the firm idea of the start and end of this story for a long time and is struggling to fill in the middle sections, but after this chapter's writing I do not feel any kind of enthusiasm about chapters 6 and 7, especially knowing they will likely each be a 1 year+ wait

>>741937003
it can hit things in the real world simple as
Flowery lost cause the knight just went for the glass case

>>741937362
https://x.com/treesters_/status/2070271423914885492

>>741937268
>lancer chad face

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>>741937256
It's not stated that Mettaton was born (if the term makes sense with ghosts) a girl, but the hints are there. He was clearly unsatisfied with whatever he had going at that time.

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>>741937297
mettaton is less gay than Blue. he acts that way because that's what the audience wants to see

Chapter 6 will be another nothingburger, screencap this

>>741937256
exactly. Pink ghost is not trans allegory, it's vtuber/vrchat allegory. Both of those things can be seen as trans things ofc, but then we are gonna paint everything as a trans thing. Being discontent with your true form and wanting to be an anime character is much more normal than thinking you are secretly a woman

>>741937313
Least good, sure. "Worst" implies it's bad when it's not.

>>741917105
Honestly I can't believe he keeps putting out shit gayer and gayer than undertroon but props to the kike in owning spics lmao

>>741937453
>wanting to be an anime character is much more normal than thinking you are secretly a woman
I don't know about that

>>741937457
Oh it's bad. You can love Toby stuff all you like, and the gameplay/music/art is nice. But the writing is the worst it's ever been and we have to expect better of Toby.

>>741937457
You are right, it isn't bad. It's much, much worse than that.

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>>741937405
Thank you