>stop playing video games and go read a book.
>>741945447have uou read ostoyefsky OP? well?
>>741945447>go read a book.only niggas that never read say this
He-@. Saajjnffn thals yez
What now, forever typecast man?
>>741945447you know you can do both right?
>>741945447I am. I am re-reading my favorite book.
>>741945580You have chameleon eyes? Because I can only do one at a time.
books are an outdated medium
I'm American, I don't read books.
>>741945447i've read 25 books in a couple of years and it was pretty much 0 before that. I don't feel like it made me smarter or increased my attention span in the slightest.
He's right though. You need a hobby apart from video games.For the record, masturbating is not a hobby.
>>741945696>masturbating is not a hobby.
>>741945696Most people have more than one hobby, it's not anything impressive.
>>741945447>read books>go to theater (including plays, not just movies)>watch shows>play games>listen to musicI AM THE ULTIMATE ART MAN
>>741945447No problem, Steven! I've got some Dean Koontz over here.
>>741945760>doesn't go to local art expositionsngmi
>>741945681you need to read the right books the type of books that expand your mind palacemy mind palace is so vast I can jerk off with my imagination alone I can imagine the touch and give and feel and fur of my furry wifes tits and ass very vividly
Cartoon lookin fella
>>741945825too much people, it's a bitch to appreciate art when there's a crowd of people for a single random painting, they often have terrible placement
>>741945616sounds like a skill issue to me
>>741945447You can do both. Also if you just put on audiobooks you can crush like 1-2 books a week.
>>741945760>he doesn't go to art galleries>he doesn't go to poetry readings>he doesn't go outside just to look at the architecture>he doesn't read rigorous math proofsFake
I do both AND I take Finasteride
>>741946045>art galleries>poetry readingsfake and gay performative crap frequented and ran by pseuds
>>741945760But do you write down your thoughts, or do you just consoom for the sake of consooming?
>>741945447is that borat
>>741946098But plays aren't? C'mon now
>>741945760>plays no instrument>doesn't draw>doesn't paint>doesn't writeYou're a cuck while others have passionate sex.
>>741946045isn't poetry better if YOU read it? people in the renaissance didn't hired someone to read poem to them when wanting to court a lady, they read the poem themselves and sometimes even made them
>>741945447>stop playing video games and go read a book.so I can turn into a bitter failure like you?
>>741945760TV shows are the absolute lowest form of art, doubly so for the "prestige" slop boomers waste hours on to feel culturally informed at the workplace.
>>741946043>You can do both.You're not actually paying attention >Also if you just put on audiobooks you can crush like 1-2 books a week.You're not reading, stop trying to optimize a passtime retard
>>741946261Is learning an instrument even doable anymore after a certain age if you have no base? Is there any musician who started out of nothing after their 30s? Unlike drawing/painting, it has a much more bigger cost and can't be done silently
>>741946478>and can't be done silentlyBuy an electric guitar or keyboard and use headphones
>>741945630Once we have technology where you can "live" a story, then yes, books will be a thing of the past.
>>741946559This. It's what I'm doing.t. guy in his mid 30s learning electric guitar
>>741946478>Is learning an instrument even doable anymore after a certain age if you have no base?Yes.My dad learned the violin when he retired, now he plays in the local town orchestra.People who cope by saying "i-i-it's impossible when you're older" are just lazy.
>>741946559That doesn't cover most instruments though
>>741945517He said a book, not some fantasy elf fanfix bullshit that insists upon itself.
>>741945616>open skyrim>purchase the Lusty Argonian MaidI own you, your mother, and your sister
>>741945667t. Rajesh
>>741946652If playing an instrument is so cool then how come everyone who does it professionally are losers? And it's looked down on as a career?
>"I know I consciously pick roles that are basically Trevor in a different setting, but everyone needs to STOP CALLING ME TREVOR!!!"
>>741946652I wonder how can you practice alone if you don't own a house and live alone though.An apartment would bother other people so it's a no no. Having a family means they could get pissed at you playing in the house, and I don't think being a street musician work if you don't have at least a little talent. anything else cost a lot of money like renting a room for it. Taking "real" music courses also cost a lot of money
>>741946706Because most people are boring and don't care about art at all or how things are made.
>>741946706>And it's looked down on as a career?What? Everyone wanted to be a rockstar at one point in their life.
>>741945495Yes. Normalfags think that the simple act of reading makes you smart, just because they see smart people reading a lot...In reality, literature is the human activity with the most trash released, proportionally speaking. Basically, 99.9% of everything humanity has ever written is complete garbage that, in many cases, is genuinely bad for the reader's mind.Cervantes was already making fun of people who read so much trash that they literally became retarded, 400 years ago...
>>741945447
>>741945447Reading is a very gay hobby, so no
>>741946706because people only like the idea of it
>>741946763>I wonder how can you practice alone if you don't own a house and live alone thoughWhat do you mean?Instruments aren't very loud unless you play them loud. No one cares if you strum a guitar or pluck a violin, it's not a drumkit.
>>741946478How old are you? I started playing guitar when I was 22, which of course is also "early" compared to 30s, but shouldn't make that much of a difference in the grand scheme. I'm 31 now and feel like I could still learn from scratch if I had to. I had no base or never played anything as a kid either.
>>741946829I didn't. I wanted to make cartoons.
>>741945447Considering the kind of slop people read nowadays, I'd rather someone tell me they play videogames.
Doesn't have to cancel each other out.I read at least one hour before going to sleep and still play some vidya.
>>741946763>I wonder how can you practice alone if you don't own a house and live alone though.In case of an electric guitar, you plug it into an amp and let the signal go to your headphones. Nobody will be bothered. Without the amp, strumming notes will be as loud as a conversation at medium volume.
>>741945447Just finished the three musketeers. Suggest something for me to read next.
>>741946478>Is learning an instrument even doable anymore after a certain age if you have no base? Is there any musician who started out of nothing after their 30s?There's undoubtedly a correlation between those who started from an early age and achieving great virtuosity, but the single most defining factor of true musical talent has always been practice. Practice which is more readily available when you are a child. Typically when you are over the age of thirty, there are exigencies to consider that avert the level-headed from suddenly choosing the path of a musician, which is why you would not have heard of them. But there are definitely those who learned instruments as a passion at the least in their adulthood.Sad truth is that 99.9% of musicians never go on to achieve any form of commercial success, but I'm fairly certain the majority of them would say their lives were enriched somehow by their connection with music. It's a satisfying thing, being able to play through a great song or a classic piece, or even better, sitting down and weaving together something of your own, even if it's just a few cool riffs on a guitar or an interesting chord pattern on the keys.Drawing and painting aren't necessarily cheaper either. A simple keyboard or acoustic guitar aren't the most expensive things for the curious beginner, and nowadays you can get into music production purely through software if you're dedicated enough.
>>741947023I suggest The Gambler by Dostoevsky.
I don't think it's safe to read physical books in public anymore. There seems to be a weird stigma around it now.During a train trip, I saw an older man reading a Yukio Mishima book who was harassed and filmed by teenagers over it. Like picking up his book and throwing it around. I made sure to quickly hide my kindle out of concern for my own safety.
>>741946478You can learn theory entirely online and then it's just a matter of pressing the right keys, like playing a really hard video game so to speak
>>741946478>and can't be done silentlyYou can just buy a digital keyboard and practice with headphones
>>741946478I started playing guitar at 28 and after a couple years I became a little competent at it.
>>741947141Thanks. My dad also recommended that one to me a few years back, never got around to it. Gonna check it out.
>>741946478If you can learn a new video game, you can learn an instrument.
>>741945447I agree with the sentiment but most that say this then go on to real absolute schlock genre fiction like Lord of the rings
>>741947141most plain bitch opinion.>>741947023go read Isaac Asimov sci-fi stories, they are what current AI stuff is based around and know, think of them as instruction manuals and you'll see what I mean. Even if you disagree someone and see them as your enemy, its wise to read their way of thinking so you can read the opposite as well so you can undermine them.
>>7419472681/10, here's your (you)
If you find yourself playing the same multi-player shit every single day and derive more anger from it than you do fun, reading books is a very good idea.
>>741947295>call someone plain>tells them to read sci-fi>>741947308I bet you get your books from the airport
>>741947295>most plain bitch opinion.Well nigga he asked for a recommendation. I wanted to recommend something sort. Not everything has to be Don Quixote and War and Peace.
>>741947346Never been to an airport. They sell books there? Makes sense I suppose.
>>741945447Based, he won.
>>741945491I actually read Crime and Punishment because of him and it's actually garbage.Just a very autistic man kills two women and feels bad about it for 400 pages.Also people just monologue about shit (whatever the author had on his mind philosophy-wise at the time) for pages and pages on end. It's a fucking bore.
>>741947428It's ok just continue playing video games and watching porn until you're 70 and dying. You seem like you lack the intelligence to regret anyway.
>>741947428>Just a very autistic man kills two women and feels bad about it for 400 pages.That's Russian-slop for you.
>>741945447go fuck yourself you pseudo intellectual pretentious prick god i hate you fucking people who act like reading dostoevsky somehow makes you "enlightened above the masses" and engaging in things you see as beneath you is for the peasants, look at you, you know your better than that, you're the real fucking deal, you're learned.
>>741947548>Acts like he's better than the guy in OP's imagelol
>>741947647Dude, that's Trevor. He has a name bro.
>>741947647i can't stand when people use their hobbies as a way of just stroking their egos, they aren't reading because they want to explore ideas, its to get laid with liberal arts women none of these people care about reading or the arts, everything is just for their self image, obviously they don't engage in the bread and circus of the goyim, what if their expensive loafers get scuffed?
>>741947682Sorry, dunno who he is.
>>741947781>Does it againOk lol
>>741947428This guy gets it
>>741947647you wouldn't see these people at a local fairground eating some cheap stand food, you wouldn't see these people where actual human beings gather, these people exist in carefully curated ivory towers and shout down to the rest of us how great they are.
>>741946980Did you go to music theory courses (stuff like solfeggio) or did you just say "fuck it I'm playing the guitar" and learned on your own?
>>741947889>3 timesOk...
>>741946673Every book under the sun insists upon itself. That's kind of the point.
>>741945447Hate fucking books. Probably because I get distracted easily, but growing up playing videogames really makes you yearn for that agency you seem to have in the form of gameplay. Books feel like being a cuck in that regard, watching a story unfold from outside.If people were more honest about the books they read maybe I'd understand, but they treat it as if reading fiction made you more intelligent
>>741947986let me guess after this you have a book club reading of infinite jest, summarize it for me on your blog totally jealous.
>>741945447I can do both, undisciplined faggot
>>741948142>Now he's trying to act better than meI really don't get why you're so upset, we're all friends here.
>>741945447I'm doing my part
Everything I could ever want is right hereIn fact, let's sing our own song about the joy of staying indoorsI know of a place where you never get harmedA magical place with magical charmsIndoorsIndoorsIndoorsTake it away, penny!
The only book I read is The Bible.
>>741948315i can't stand dudes like op, who use the arts as a way of passing off this image of superiority for their egos, while obviously not caring about the arts themselves, and then use that to say " obviously i don't go walk around the local mall and get lunch im reading bro im going through the complete works of plato right now man yeah that goy shit"
>>741948473>"I hate guys who act superior to me!!!"So why are you acting superior to them? You have become what you hate.
>>741945760You just sound like a fag to me.
>>741948451>The Bible.That book sucks. It's all disjointed and of course the main character comes back to life at the end.
>>741948536you're a slimy rat.
>>741945491I had a perfect screenshot for this occasion of the demon Ippon-Datara asking if the player didn't like Dostoyevsky in the first Raidou Kuzunoha game but deleted it thinking it would never be used.
>>741948547>It's all disjointedDuh, it's a bibliography of multiple different stories, from different eras by different authors.Did you think it's all written by Jesus or something?
>>741948605>dodges the question kekThat's exactly what a slimey rat would do
>>741945447Name five good books
>>741948379>reading a book by the faggot that authorized a "game" by Zoe Quinn that is NEVER coming outngmi
>>741945447>pfffft CONSOOMING?! I couldnt be caught DEAD doing that, thats why i read books!
>>741945447ok>start reading mein kampf
>>741945447I am, reading the plague and papillon because it's too hot to start a game. My console locks itself with a warning message and then she powers off. I never saw a switch do that. Fuck my shithole, send us AC units.
>>741946261>"You like to do x? That means you don't do f!"Bait used to be believable
Does reading video game magazines and enclosed instruction books count?
>>741945447>read a booki'll do you one better - read research papers
>>741945447Sure doesn't look like we need to worry about anyone in the GTA6 cast saying something like that!
>>741948819Still better than playing vidya if I'm being honest with you, senpai
>>741945447Stop playing pretend and work construction
>>741945667Hurrah, tow whorl wuz
>>741945760>don't read books>don't watch theathre>don't watch movies/shows>don't listen to music>don't play video games>don't draw/compose/write/code
>>741945447shut up u long giraffe necked freak
Reading books is a meme dumb people throw out to sound smart. It's 2026, we have internet. I read all the time. Random science subjects, biology, thermodynamics etc. I've learned more from the internet than any book ever. I don't need to read some guys autobiography. I don't need to read some guys philosophy. I put reading on the same level as modern day college. It's not a place to express ideas and expand your thinking, it's a place to be told what to think.I think philosophical shit all the time. I write and create constantly. The pioneers of the shit we have today didn't have a college to learn shit, they came up with it. The people of the past were truly intelligent. They used their brains to test until they got the results they wanted. I'm no more intelligent than Galileo because I happen to posses more facts about our universe than he did at the time. That's memorization, not intelligence. And it's the fucking problem with education today.
>>741947892just get an amp, headphones, and an electric guitar and look up tabs to songs you liketabs show you where to put your fingers, trust your ear to match what you play to what you hear
>>741945667Never been to a Barnes and Nobles? Who am I kidding, you probably never leave your mom’s house
>>741950965Is that a restaurant?
>>741945447I'm writing a webnovel, does that count?
Recently beat The Sinking City and the first thing I did after was buy a Lovecraft anthology. There’s no reason to put one artform over another, it just reeks of insecurity. And, yes, videogames are an artform. It’s a form of creative self expression. Stop being an insecure little bitch and just focus on what you like and ignore what doesn’t appeal to you
>>741945583That's a fuckin great book, I need to re-read it.
>>741950713tsmt
>>741951129Retard
>>741945447People can do more than 1 thing.
>>741946478I say no. Dont know how people do it at a later age. Im 28 i consciously practice for around 2 years and never get good at it.
It’s hilarious how no matter how much this insecure faggot pretends to sound smart he’ll always be known as that cringe reddit retard from GTAV and that one episode from Better Call Saul. He could find the cure for cancer (not that he has the intelligence for a medical career) and he’d still always be known as Trevor from GTAV. No wonder he’s so defensive all the time
>>741951443Does he really believe the shit he's saying?
>>741951443Anyone can write a book. Even (You).Think about that. Really think about it.
>>741945760everytime i see the architect i just think of a webm i saw only a single time on /tv/ which went for atleast 20 seconds and ive never seen it posted again and it shits me to no end.
Because I'm a cartoon! Aaaargh!
>>741945907Then go to the contemporary art exhibitions. They're always empty.
>"Have you read Crime and Punishment?">"Yes."What would he have replied to this?
>>741945447reading through this right now. somebody should adapt it into a video game, it would be the gran turismo of walking simulators
>>741945447imagine taking anything seriously from a man named Trevor
But I do read books. Discworld series is great fun.
>>741945447I wish there were a good place on the internet to discuss books. It sure as fuck ain't /lit/.
what /v/-approved book should i read next?
>>741952486
>>741945447why is he so butthurt? it's not gamers' fault his only memorable role was in a game
>>741945447I did. It was relaxing for a time but got borrad near the end and just speed read through it. Maybe the book was not that good i dont know.
>>741952486IS THAT QUARK
>>741945681u needed to read them when you were growing up and ur brain was still developing.
>>741951840I think the point is that he saw that the guy interviewing him was just an industry drone trying to generate commercial hype without any concern for culture or anything else considered more elevated, and he asked the question about the book because he was sure the guy wouldn't have an answer.It's like when a fat guy comes to interview you and you ask him if he worked out today, knowing full well that he didn't. Not today, not all year.
>>741945447he would've been a broke hobo if we did that
>>741953259yes>>741952858taken on a Samsung Galaxy S3 from 2012>>741952827fuck reggie
>>741945447alright trevor. the book i will read will be harry potter
>>741945447he did nothing wrong. a bunch of drooling retards keep calling you Trevor in public, I'd crash out too
>>741945447Russian literature sucks.
>>741945447alright lets see the best sellers of 2026>Whistler by American author Ann Patchett>The novel alternates between two timelines. In the present day, Daphne Fuller, a 53-year-old English teacher at a private girls' school on Manhattan's Upper East Side, visits the Metropolitan Museum of Art with her husband, Jonathan, a retired hospital administrator some years her senior>Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke>Yesteryear is the 2026 debut novel by Caro Claire Burke. The story follows Natalie Heller Mills, a "tradwife" social media influencer, who wakes up one day in the 19th century, where she must learn how to live without modern society.>The Calamity Club by Kathryn Stockett>a historical fiction novel set in 1933 Oxford, Mississippi, during the Great Depression. It follows an unlikely sisterhood of marginalized women who—facing severe poverty and oppressive societal laws—team up to take control of their lives and save their families>Our Perfect Storm by Carley Fortune>an emotional friends-to-lovers romance. It follows Frankie Gardiner, who is dumped on her wedding day, and her lifelong best friend, George, who unexpectedly takes her on her paid-for honeymoon to Tofino to help heal her broken heartyeah i think i'll just continue playing shit shitty survival sloppa game thanks.
>>741953806Yeah that is a rude thing to do
>>741946261>>741949032There is nothing more fulfilling than creating something
>>741953806You say "yo waddup wubbalubadubdub" and go on with your day not have a meltdown
>>741946043You didn't read it
>>741945447>was reading a book every week like 5-8 years ago>can't read more than 5 minutes now without my brain going somewhere elsereading is too hard I blame social media.
>>741946478>>741946658Musical theory is simple book learning. You learn the keys (ABCDEFG) and a few of the chord layouts/progressions to learn what sounds nice by default. Once you've done that, you can translate that knowledge into most instruments by learning how to make those sounds come out of the instrument.
>>741951603Yes brown people really think reading is bad
>>741953903What's funny is publishers have been rejecting books from new authors aimed at men because "men don't want to read"They use customer demographics at book stores to justify this reasoningAnd yet the video game industry keeps stabbing itself in the face to appeal to women more
>>741954358Men don't read fiction, this has been a trend going back decades. Men read nonfiction and have gotten that desire filled by podcasts and social media.
What's the best book for learning guitar, bros?
>>741945447I am and it has Andy & leyey incest, a Thalidomide victim/possible schizo demon and a goddamned tranny!
>>741954576Any chord book is fine, you need to link up with other people who play guitar as soon as possible. I cannot stress that enough.
>>741954576I recommend just taking lessons
>>741945447Bizzaro Fiction is wonderful because EVERYBODY thinks it's completely awful and I read that and Splatterpunk almost exclusively. It's printed Jenkum and my mind is swimming in that glorious stink high.
>>741945447>I'm a serious actor >I'm a serious actor>I'm a serious actor>I'm a serious actorthis dude is so pathetic and he'll always be typecast as the psychotic rage man
>>741954576you don't need books nor lessons, just get ready for your fingers to hurt
>>741954576Understanding the core design philosophy of why guitars were made the way they were and learning classical fingering techniques will do more to expand your training than anything that focuses on chords ever will.
>>741945495>niggas that never readYou certainly don't.It's ok, no one expect you to.
>>741955000This is horseshit Play a nylon string or even a scalloped neck guitar and your fingers won't get damaged.
>>741955060This... is not how you learn to shred
>>741954535Men ran fiction and made up the vast majority of fantasy and SF sales.It wasn't until the old guard of fantasy and SF publishers died that it changed, entirely from them hiring women who decided they didn't want to publish male fantasy.It was very blatant. After a point they simply stopped allowing young white straight male authors from being published. After a couple of Spaniards won a prize under a woman's pen-name they started demanding team calls with video to make their racial and sexual discrimination harder to dodge.Also all the talk of financials is a joke. We know from the Penguin and S&S anti-trust trial that over 60% of all the books they publish don't make any money back for them. Over 35% don't even have more than a dozen sales.And even moreso in the self-publishing market where there aren't any of these racist cunts there are authors with millions of sales like Wight. There's even micro-publishers like DMR living entirely off it.
>>741955060what's a good book to read about fingering technique?
>>741955225I've just been learning about the last 15 years or so of sci-fi meta. Pretty wild how publishers just suddenly stopped talking to their bread and butter makers. Now you got all these independent writers out here increasing competition exponentially for the very people they artificially propped up. The ship is righting itself all on its own.
>>741955151if you're a sissy sure
>>741945447>Gets killed in GTA6 since he hates playing Trevor so much he asks Rockstar to do it like he did Lost and Damns dude.KINO Trevor.
>>741955875Nylon strings sound nice you little troll
>>741950965I did actually yes, I had to buy Lord of the Flies when I was in summer school.
>>741955225>>741954535Young men began drifting away from fiction (both literary and genre) during the 80s before the awokening. Video games and blockbuster slop filled the void back then. Novel audiences were always more female dominated and with the decline of male reading, publishers began pandering to women more. Wokeness is very female coded so it was inevitable that novel publishing would become super woke in the 2010s. It didnt help that since the 60s, conservatives began to drift away from arts/humanities because they either forsook college or only took money making degrees.>>741954358Women do play console/pc games but there isnt much overlap. Turn based rpgs (baldurs gate, disco elysium, persona, final fantasy), dating sims/visual novels, the sims, puzzle games, and games that emphasize stories featuring interpersonal relationships (ex:tlou1 and 2) or romance (like aforementioned bg3 and persona and even new vegas) The problem is that they dont understand what is appealing to women. Bland character designs are not appealing, for instance. Yuna and shadowheart is a lot more appealing than concord, not to mention concord isnt the type of games women play. Even minecraft has a lot more appeal with girls.
>>741957332>Novel audiences were always more female dominatedLiterally only if you include YA and Harlequin novels both of which were aiming for them.Fantasy and SF was male and well into the 90s when publishing agents abruptly decided to cut them out of it. It was even more blatant if you bothered following awards shows.
>>741947428I'm not sure, I have a feeling, only perhaps, maybe somehow, just a little bit, even slightly, only a tiny bit, most certainly, very possibly, definitely, not out of the question, in certain reality, with high probability, all things considered, you are a midwit. Iv seen this exact type of analysis, word for word, sentence for sentence, made but the dumbest fucking people on this planet earth.
>>741947494I'm sure you'll be on your deathbed thinking "oh boy I sure am glad I read Crime and Punishment" before you croak.
>>741945447Last, current, next.
>>741957739There was new wave sci fi and fantasy that appealed to women in the 60s-70s (leguin is a famous example) When I refer to novels having a large female audience compared to nonfiction i am to in general. Literary authors like nabakov, dickens, dumas, tolstoy,dostoevsky, and even conrad have a large female audience. Mystery novels like holmes,poirot, or marlowe have tons of female fans as well. Even tolkien has plenty of female fans. Publishers began to get desperate with pandering to women as gaming and other forms of entertainment drew away young male audiences, and in the 2010s that culminated in novel publishing becoming super woke and alienating to men, the rise of romantasy, and award shows like hugo pandering to woke (aka female coded) authors.The problem is that most of the time they dont understand how to appeal to women, or both genders at the same time. Nosferatu 2024 (which appealed to both genders) has a twisted love triangle. Barbie 2023 (tailored to women) features attractive women in attractive revealing outfits. Mall ads (tailored to women) featuring models are often softcore porn. Bg3 (tailored to both genders) is filled with pretty people .Captain marvel and supergirl on the other hand, put attractive girls in bland unappealing outfits and feature no romance (which girls love). They cut out rey in star wars having a romance (except that one awful scene in ros pandering to reylos). Concord and veilguard are ugly. What would girls and women see in that?
>>741954358reading is pretty homo
that crashout was judged unfairly. you gotta see it through the lens of someone that has to nonstop deal with manchildren that enjoy things like Chicken Jockey 67. just imagine the intellectual starvation he was going through
>>741959337To add on a few more points. One of the few good things the Snyderverse did was give wonder woman a love interest (even though Gal is awful at acting). That was a good way to draw women in.The new she-ra show isn't for me, but when I saw my girl cousins watching it I could see the appeal to girls. The characters are charming, cute and colorful. Supergirl and Captain Marvel sacrifice the color and glamour of the comics they are adapting, the type of women who would watch those movies are basically the significant others of male nerds.
>>741947428it does a very good job portraying a shattering psychethen again i read it in russian, the whole thing might be botched in muttspeak for all i know
Saying you're in favor of inflicting pain on people until they stop being retarded with their political views is becoming increaisngly acceptable to say out loud.
>>741960405GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, WHERE IS MY IMAGE.
GTA V was literally his most important role, what else has this faggot made? I know he dies like a bitch in TWD and gets his ass handed by a 90 year old in BCS
Just finished the Three Body Problem and now I'm reading The StandLife is good bros
>>741945447Words with venom, words that bindWords used like weapons to cloud my mindI'm a person, I'm a man, but no matter how I tryPeople just say, "Hey! There's that Trevor GuyEverywhere I go it's always the sameEveryone just thinks of me as that one single name."Hey Trevor Guy!" "Trevor Guy!" "Hi Trevor Guy!" Stop!Now go, call me Trevor Guy, fill me with your hateTry to bring me down, boop bop you're too lateWhen will it end? Will there ever be a timeWhere I can be thought of as more then just Trevor Guy?Respect.
>>741945447I can actually sort of understand Trevor's resentment towards his fame and his association with the similarly named character he played in Grand Theft AutoHe has a pretty distinct faceThis guy should be the king of 'That Guy' threads on /tv/, the sort of goofy oddball or menacing serial killer you recognise as a guest star in countless TV shows.Instead he's just Trevor. Forever.And that's all he'll be, ever.
>>741945447Ok I got some of these to read
The problem with modern literature is that the art form is ancient, like "earliest surviving piece of the earliest civilization" ancient. People are spoiled for choice, there is a 3000 year backlog of shit to read. In your own lifetime you aren't going to be able to read every piece of notable literature, let alone all the crap that came out in between and ultimately all that crap is built upon the literature written before it. You can dedicate your entire life to Russian literature and only read novels written in a 70 year span.The same stories, concepts, themes, etc. are iterated on and iterated on to the point you're reading Homer for the 90th time only diluted to the point none of the themes even have weight. If you read for intellectual stimulation you can ignore 99% of written works, you can pick a single stretch of history and live there, which leaves modern novels as an entertainment dumping ground for people that want to effectively play a video game but while pretending they are sophisticated.
>>741961082The trick is to not treat reading as a collectathon, which is something I feel has become quite prevalent in this enlightened age of tier lists and anonymous ego-stroking.
>>741947428You think thats bad? Try reading don Quixote. You know the most famous part of that novel, where he attacks a windmill? That happens in like the first 100 pages of a thousand page book. The rest is a bunch of rambling and characters telling random stories within stories. I am fully convinced that no one has ever read that novel all the way through, not even the people who translated it.
>>741946478Anyone with two functioning hands and no brain development issues can learn an instrument at any age and become good enough to enjoy doing it. You'll never be Rusty Cooley, but who cares?
>>741945447ok, fine
>>741945447I don't disagree with his message that you should read more books, but honestly most books are worse than video games in that they aren't nearly as interesting, interactive or immersive just by the medium they're in and more often than not are just as shit like smut books for women. If you think video games are low-brow, it just means you have lowbrow tastes. There are fun video games that also manage to be quite deep and meaningful while telling a beautiful story like Nier Replicant/Gestalt, Final Fantasy X, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus. If you're going to read books, read an interesting book like a philosophy, math/science or history book or a book you need to learn another language and a dictionary. Books aren't magically better than games just because they're books and vice versa. It's what's being conveyed in the respective medium that makes it good.
>>741961082I can enjoy reading old literature (I love the Count of Monte Cristo, for example). But I cannot stand to read poetry, especially old poetry. It is tolerable in some cases (I enjoy gilgamesh). But the poems in Journey to the West (which I am reading) are absolutely a chore for me. Most of the poems and songs in LOTR sucked ass for me except the one with the lovers.That said there is good literary and genre fiction that does come out, albeit at a much worse rate than the past.>>741961424You see the same with monte cristo adaptations. The actual novel is subplot within subplot, and the count making complex plans to destroy the reputations of his enemies. The only fight scene is in a flashback. Meanwhile the movies strip out too much of the subplots and planning and in their place put a bunch of retarded action scenes. Yes the OG book is unadaptable unless as a multi season tv show, but even then you should try being faithful.
>>741945447>he recommended some russian tsarist crime and punishment slop from a slave owner (Tolstoy owned 330 slaves on his property)
>>741946652>People who cope by saying "i-i-it's impossible when you're older" are just lazy.This is like the people who say picking up a martial art when you're older is worthless.>b-but you'll never be at the top! you'll never compete with the world's best if you start after 13 years old!!!Why does this matter? Why can't you just want to learn to be better than how you are now? If you start practicing Judo at 24, you're obviously not going to be an Olympic level practitioner, but who cares?
>>741961889That book is fucking shit. Read the real shit like the CCRU books or Spinal Catastrophism.
>>741962815Picking up an instrument or any hobby really is an investment, and people with a self-defeating outlook will easily construct a million reasons not to invest in something long-term. They'll never be famous, it'll never go anywhere, pretty white women will mock them, they might lose their fingers in a bizarre crab accident etc.It's all about mindset.Some people say that critics only exist to pick apart that which they cannot create, but negativity can be an equally addictive and mentally stimulating quality. It's why /v/ is so popular.
>>741945447>>741945491>>741947428actual fucking retards. he was making a point that just like the interviewer doesn't care about dostoyevsky despite him being one of the most acclaimed writers in history, he doesn't care about gta despite it being one of the most acclaimed game series in history
>>741955157Classical guitar lessons drills the fuck out of single note scales meaning it absolutely teaches you how to shred.
>>741957973You haven't read the book, have you?>>741961424Reminds me of the icelandic translation for dracula that was all fanfic>>741964039Difference is, I wasn't in Crime and Punishment. He WAS in GTA 5. :)
>>741964039He was being a pretentious pseud and an asshole. There was no point to be made.
he's correct and all the seething and passive-aggressive ad personam posts itt keep proving his point
>>741946478there is no age limit at which you can learn anything.the people telling you that your brain "solidifies" or whatever the fuck to the point you can't learn new things are either genuinely retarded or just purposefully trying to black pill you into never doing anything with your life.
>>741945447k man>reads a wh40k novel
>>741965565hes right that you should read bookstelling people to stop playing video games is just him seething though
>>741961026The only vidya related books I own are the skyrim books (printed versions of the in game lore books collected in hard bound volumes), the Diablo lore books and the Horadric Library short story collection, and I used to have Dead Space Martyr (dog ate it).Martyr was kind of shit but from a lore aspect it was pretty stellar. Altman, the guy unitologists praise as the founder of their religion, unearthed a marker on Earth, discovered it was driving people insane, was creating monsters, and such and did his level best to destroy it because he recognized it was a cosmic horror and died doing so. Other people got his research and findings and twisted it to be Unitology listing Altman as some kind of martyred prophet when that was absolutely not what he wanted and he would personally think Unitology is completely unhinged bullshit.
>>741965776Which book about women fucking monster dick do you think will make me more cultured?
>>741966008Billionaire Vampire Rape Dungeon 2: The Novel
>>741965776Reading books is just the same as gaming. You're just exchanging one passive form of consumption for another. I say this as someone who frequently reads books, don't delude yourself
>>741951603As long as it makes money
>>741966524ugly
>>741966524All these women are so fucking retarded, it drives me insane with frenzied rage.Why pay for such utter drivel when you can download a trillion different equally meritless piles of anthropomorphic, mythological, or cryptozoological romanticised dogshit featuring domineering men with horsecocks fucking the tight neglected quims of bookish women from the internet's vast guttering whirlpool of smut with minimum effort.It's pure herd behaviour.Why any willingly pays for written media is beyond me. From the very genesis of the internet, it was a forlorn effort to try and preserve the traditional exchange between writer and reader. All it takes it one person and one PDF and it's already over. Same for music.
>>741951443this just makes the retard sound like he has adhd
>>741966738This i wii say porn and romance movies are the same thing
books are boring, games are fun. simple as. i dont read books because there isn't a single book as fun as any video game
>>741945447I do both.Last book i read was lolita.
>>741968075The prose in that book is so good.
>>741945447currently reading Ulysses. its overrated dogshit.. Its better than portrait of the artist as a young man but thats not saying much. James Joyce is extremely overrated.
>>741945447Is that lalo?
>>741968472In the mid-twentieth century, the esoteric academic circles that gatekept and channelled the cultural runoff to the plebians began to care far less about books, and instead the lives of the authors that wrote them
Last book I read.
>>741945760>Doesn't MAKE any art You are the ultimate CONSOOOMER man.
>>741946045Look at the gif, he IS an architect.
>>741945447>>/co/
>>741969773any good advice in there?
>>741945447BCS and Walking Dead are the only shows I've seen Cartoon Trevor in, both of which have him playing the same guy he did in GTA. Has he ever been in anything where he felt different?
>>741970051i dunno man ask Iwata
>>741967896incorrect
>>741969912>Doesn't make art of his favourite female characters with a hundred extra pounds on their frame
People who tell you to go read a book are just testing you to see if you know they don't make books anymore.
>>741970118he plays a cucked version of trevor in both of those. he will always be known as trevor he should have just embraced it instead of acting indignant
>>741965409>U Read itAbsolutely not. But I did hear multiple philosophical analyses and they were describing much more than you here said, and it would only be natural really, considering it's one of the most popular works out there.You are coming here saying "I actually read it and it's shit" sounds like, ironically, you haven't read, in a sense that you read it like a newspaper instead of reading it, you know, the way that it's implied to be done, with full comprehension and immersion. It's quite common for people to fall into this shallow reading trap, especially these day so this is where I'm coming from. Irony here is,, again, that as much as they say that "one can fix his zoomer attention span by just reading a book", turn out there is a levels to it and that during the reason it self, the active attention had to be maintain in it self, not just by through passive text recitmet.
>>741969773>ask rocky rice field
never liked reading at home for some reason. too many distractions.only times i can focus are at a quiet cafe or library.
>>741970051Don't treat your employees like a number.
In 300 years no one will care about vidya. People will still read Shakespeare, James Joyce, Philip K Dick, etc.
I don't take the word of actors as gospel.
I have hundreds of books thanks to family. Everytime I sit down to read I think of threads like this, realize it's pointless. I'm not going to learn anything I can actively use, and even if I do, nobody will care. I then go back to games and doom scrolling. Hate myself
>>741946831>Basically, 99.9% of everything humanity has ever written is complete garbageCan confirmt. writefag
>>741971378that's a strange way to think about it, I don't really regret reading any book even ones I really didn't like but I often regret spending thousands of hours playing vidya
Writing is the productive hobby of talentless peopleEveryone can write, that's not the case for drawing, playing an instrument, coding, etc.
>>741945447I spend 4 hours a day at the library reading books everyday. I hope I could finish Crime and punishment, Brothers Karamazov and count of Monte Cristo this month.
>>741971565What would you have done instead?Don't bother answering because it's going to be you lying to yourself
>>741945517I genuinely liked reading this.
>>741971802>Everyone can write, that's not the case for drawing, playing an instrument, coding, etc.literal bs, anyone can do all of those things. its all about dedication.
>>741945447They should kill off Trevor in Gta 6 as a "fuck you"
>>741971041Anyone who thinks they can accurately predict what the world will look like in 300 years is profoundly stupid.
>>741972306Protags from the previous games don't show up in later numbered sequels.
>>741972591trevor killed protag from 4
>>741970784>But I did hear multiple philosophical analyses and they were describing much more than you here saidOHHH you mean redditors.Read the book yourself or stfu :)
>>741971906i can see why you hate yourself.
>>741945630>t. high-school dropout
>>741945759you got defensive real fast. watching movies is also not a hobby.
>>741972726Who would've seen that coming...Not me..
>>741961082People don't just consume what's good. Consumption also has a social aspect. People read classic, well-established books, but they're also interested, for example, in a new author who was born in the same city as them and is becoming successful, or in a story that relates to what's going on in their lives at that moment, and so on. A controversial book, or a book that the president has read, or a book that was banned by the police for being racist... no matter how good these books may be, people will be interested in them because of the social aspect I mentioned.
lol this thread has the same energy as all the crybabies complaining that multiplayer RTS exists and they're not good at it. Ya guys reading is important. Sorry, but you actually should start.
>>741946478You can buy a jew harp for a couple of bucks and start making techno music with it.
>>741961082>You can dedicate your entire life to Russian literature and only read novels written in a 70 year span.No not really lol. Maybe a biographer or something does because they need to read not only everything written but everything written ABOUT everything written. There aren't more than a few hundred novels written in Russian that anyone reads and you could get through basically all the major books in like a year if you were dedicated. and what are you even saying >it's impossible to read everything so why read anything? completely retarded
>>741945447honest to god he's right, reading is so fun once you get into it... your high school teachers LIED to you all.
that is not at all what he said he asked why you keep telling him he HAS to play GTA 5 then framed it as " waht if i told you you HAVE to go read this book because its really good
>>741945447>no longer enjoy watching movies, playing bideo games or reading>only feel good when I'm doing chores or building shit
Dropshipped Walton Goggins
>>741973673that called having been brainwashed into thinking you ALWAYS need to be doing something productive and it leads to burnout
>>741945517Poorly written pseudo intellectual stoner philosopher. Grow. The. Fuck. Up.
>>741945868I can do this and I don't read at all
>>741972890Reading also isn't a hobby
>>741973775>you ALWAYS need to be doing something productivethis is true unless you limit productivity to economics and even then it's still somewhat true
>>741973928its not true you need to take time rto relax and do nothing or relax and watch TV or some other leisure activity rest is insanely important
>>741973928Human behavior is economic behavior
>>741974008even movies kick you the fuck up and require brainpower to process shit, true nothingdoing is impossible to truly imagine
My pre-Wheel of Time, pre-Cosmere reading stack:>The Gathas of Zarathushtra: Hymns in Praise of Wisdom>The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Book of Going Forth by Day: Being the Papyrus of Ani (Royal Scribe of the Divine Offerings)>Tattvartha Sutra: That Which Is>The Analects of Confucius>The Dhammapada>The Bhagavad Gita>Paradise Lost>Chaldean Account of Genesis (Epic of Gilgamesh)>Le Morte D’Arthur>Poetic and Prose EddasI’ll have to find a King James Bible too. Am I missing anything? Do I need to read Plato’s Phaedo to understand GODbert Jordan & Brandon SanderGOD?
>>741974479Kalevala?
>>741967206>It's pure herd behaviour.you've nailed woman behaviour down to a T
>>741974479Green Eggs and Ham
>>741945495read a porn VN where the protagonist fucks his sister
>>741946045best places to find fine bitches who can be your sugar momma's that's for sure. So easy to sweet talk to bitches at these places if you don't look like a chud with spaghetti falling out of their pockets.
>>741945447>because you cant do bothGod bless the pretentious and the retarded, for they are usually the same.
>>741974479No The Rats in the Walls? weak dissing my nigga n-man like that
I just picked up the first Witcher book (The Last Wish). What am I in for?
>>741974924Yeah i can eat and shit at the same time
>>741973591>>it's impossible to read everything so why read anything?I'm saying there is enough literature for you to have an infinite backlog instead of needing to reach for the newest viral thing. Book sales have been plummeting and the traditional reader market is more and more often reaching into that backlog instead of buying new shit. So the demographic shifts and publishing houses pander to whoever is left buying new books. It just so happens to be mid-30s forever alone pervert women that want to get dicked by a minotaur, thus the modern literature landscape.
>>741974805Way ahead of you.
>>741974479this is a giga larper stack, i know because i've read half of these and im a midwit
>>741945447>do something meaningful with your time =/= submit to jewish wageslaveryVery hard for /v/ to comprehend, but very important. You can touch grass without cucking to goldstein.
>>741976712>reading fiction is meaningful because... it isOk
>>741976806If you choose to read a book about a woman fucking a bear or some other piece of fiction like the bible or the quran that's on you
>>741945447ok but if i read a book then he should compromise and play GTA5
>>741945447I have a difficult time finding books that interest me. I've tried reading Wheel of Time, The Expanse, and Neuromancer in the past few months and ended up dropping them all for different reasons.
>>741978415give some examples of books you've finished
I just read 'There Is No Antimemetics Division' and it was excellent.
>>741979267The Rats In The Walls
>>741979267Bram Stoker's Dracula, Carmilla, Sherlock Holmes
>>741945447N O R W O O D
>>741945760>fuck fat womenBAAASED
>>741979706Maybe try some modern vampire fiction seeingI quite enjoyed Let The Right One InIt's not so much the genre-establishing 'sum of all fears contained in the horseshoe of the carpathian mountains' incarnation of terror that Dracula was, but it's got some severely messed up characters.
>>741945491have you? in russian?
>>741979706read george rr martins vampire book called fevre dreamhes good at writing books for people that dont like to read
>>741979757I want Pierce Brosnan to play an evil count Dracula-esque character who lives in a castle in Ireland. Except he doesn't instil terror in the minds of the local populace by feeding upon the blood of the young womenfolk, but rather abducts young maidens from their beds at night, stealing them to his castle to be engorged upon with queenly repasts. And with his evil magic, their pale, milky bodies bloat only into the most obscenely decadent caricatures of Venusian sensuality.Deep with an old dell of Ireland, untrodden by the pastoral folk of the surrounding villages and hamlets, resides a tall and foggy castle, spoken only of in ill omen. It is said here in that all manners of the earth's fatlore tend to gather, mingling in butter, as if it were the centre of some sugary whirlpool. Lard, bacon, pastries beyond the reckoning of mere men. Count Brosnan's dread name, spoken of only in trembling prayers to the lord.
>>741979706you'd probably like do androids dream of electric sheep and valis
>Win game>Jeff Goldblum tells you to stop playing video games and go outside as the endinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuYUoLM8BNA
>>741945760>Consume>CONSUME>C O N S U M ESo.... When are you going to create anything?
>>741945495fucking true, literally that one clip from family guyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0rcy36xCU
>>741946763Play in your shed if you're worried about bothering people.
>>741945447Steven "Cartoon" Ogg is my favorite Joker rendition.
>>741980040>>741981447>>741981816Thanks. I was going to check out Hardwired and Snow Crash yet (thought I'd give various cyberpunk books a try), but I'll write these down.
>>741947428I was pissed when I finally got around to reading 1984 when everyone has been pretending to have read it and saying it's the greatest and most culturally relevant book ever and it's just 90% character drama.I have a feeling only women and men who haven't read it actually like this shit.
All online literature discussion is just larping/pseudointellectual masturbation
>>741983850Brave New World was always the better dystopia book.
1984 and Animal Farm are insightful heuristics into the commie mindset but the writing is pretty dry. I do like a lot of the drama from 1984 though. Good understanding of tension.
>>741983850>filtered by a primary school bookanon...
>>741984652see>>741983973
>>741983850>everyone has been pretending to have read it1984 was THE required reading book for pretty much every school in the US up until very recentlyouted yourself as a non american or as someone from a backwater southern school
>>741984686Nigga, this is not some hard literature, it's something a couple classes above the hungry hungry caterpillar. If that's above you then I'm sorry but you're retarded.
>>741983850I don't know why other people like it or if they even read it, but the way I see it, 1984 is essentially a horror book presenting concepts that, at the time, were ridiculous and almost unbelievable, like telescreen that constantly monitors everything you do in your own house, like total control over the flow of information, like history being routinely erased and rewritten. Of course it won't have the same punch today, we already live in this shit, for us it's just as common as taking out the trash or going to the grocery store.>>741984135I liked 1984 more but I'd say Brave New World had a better ending.
1900s british romanticism poetry is the thinking mans medium, superior to books. It allows me to collect large amounts of cool quotes to insert into any future art/game i create, and feel superior to the 99% of modern day chuds who either dont read or read postmodernist garbage
>>741984812not him but we had to read farhinhiet 451 and brave new world, never had to read 1984. believing theres 1 singular curriculum for all american schools is retarded
>>741945447What would he have said if the dude responded "I already read that"?C&P is about as entry level as it gets in terms of hard literature.
I'd definitely rather read a book than play GTA 5
>>741945447Black Souls 1 and 2 are the greatest pieces of literature made in the current century so far.
>>741947175Changing consumer habits
STOPIDENTIFYING MEWITH THE ONLY CHARACTER I'VE RECOGNIZABLY PLAYED A ROLE AS
>>741947175you must live in a shithole country
>>741953806Only insecure one trick ponies actually get upset about this thougheverbeit
>>741957973>>741970784>>741973124What possesses pseuds to chungus bluster over a book they haven't actually read themselves?
>>741984878>If that's above youSee>>741983973
>>741945447>I seethe that my breakout role was trevor!>is only trevor in all future movies>D list
>>741969939I saw people post Pierce Brosnan architect memes so many times, I began to think he actually played the architect in Matrix 2. I was so confused when I rewatched it.
What do you do after reading?
>>741945760
>>741945495Retarded people don't understand that a majority of books are literal slop. The garbage you see on social media began thousands of years ago
>>741946478A majority of musicians either started young or mid-age.
>>741945447He is not wrong. I wish I had never played video games.
>>741947428>start working in corporate>"you just HAVE to read art of war if you want to survive in this world! it's so useful!">read it>"There are five ways of attacking with fire. The first is to burn soldiers in their camp; the second is to burn stores; the third is to burn baggage trains; the fourth is to burn arsenals and magazines; the fifth is to hurl dropping fire among the enemy."
Why does he think Trevor is a cartoon despite Trevor looking exactly like him, being mocapped by him, having his voice, and being one of the faces of the most successful media franchises of all time?
>>741991784i hope you took that useful information and applied it on your co-workers.
>>741989610Sorry, king. You must be an enlightened 160+ IQ beast that's above the average book-reading goyling. I'll see myself out.
>>741945760Based patrician.
>>741945447why not both?t. halfway through asoiaf book 3
>>741975761>modern literature landscape Who cares about that? Like you said there's more to read than anyone could get through in a lifetime already. >>741976806It's meaningful because it was written to describe life and say things from someone who had a very different perspective from you and who was much more intelligent and insightful than you are
>>741980349No, and neither did Virginia Woolf
>>741983973and what does that have to do with whether you should read >you should. this is a giga retard debate >>741985003have any examples larper?
>>741992998a storm of swords is probably the best one.. that or a feast for crows
>>741993151my top negroes are william wordsworth, john keats, charles lamb, thomas hood, william blake, and percy shelley
>>741993763i meant examples of the quotes you're collecting from these poets you're "reading" all the time
Do they make any books that help cure chronic assholism in balding faggots?
>>741991784lmao this, I actually read it and you can summarize the entire text with>if you have an advantage, press it>if you don't, retreat and regroupThat's literally it plus archaic and very specific information about how many cattle to take at once and shit like that. 90% of it is literally, LITERALLY something like>if you are weak, make your enemy think you are strong>if you are strong, make your enemy think you are weak
I don't get art or philosophy and I think life is actually extremely simple but we overcomplicate things through language and constant arguing over objectivity to the point that it's clearly just wasting time because ultimately people will do what they want to do, nothing else, so I just indulge in entertainment, and I unironically think any random Genesis beat em' up has more value as a piece of art than whatever dumb lame difficult to follow and full of obscure symbolism poopyass thing people are told is valuable.
>>741983850I read that Orwell used to shoot small animals and dissect their bodies for fun so I refuse to read whatever gay shit he wrote. I like freedom and don't like tyranny but I've noticed the people who scream the loudest about freedom are often freakish assholes upset that others are telling them to stop being disgusting weirdos.
>>741983850jesus christ you're a moron
>>741994616what a low effort post
>>741994070i'll spoonfeed one or two poems little buddy but no more than that>What is this world's delight? / Lightning that mocks the night, / Brief even as bright.tuff bars frfr no cap.
>>741945491I liked The Idiot
>>741994709any particular reason you don't want to discuss quotes from the books and writers you supposedly love? I'd be interested >>741994695there's really no point in wasting time on someone so thoughtless, and most young people tend to think that exact thing about a lot of classic books. dude's probably like 15
>>741994709That shit is trash.
>>741994830and yet here you are, wasting your time, making even lower effort and lower quality posts than his, attacking a strawman of his age because you can't say anything of substance, while at the same time acting like a pedantic faggot to someone else. I hope the other guy doesn't give you a direct answer just so it upsets you even more.
>>741994709I'm too stupid to understand poetry. I don't even know what most of this means beyond the vague idea that good moments are fleeting the first stanza talks about, like how the fuck does lightning mock the night? I also never got what poetry really is and why people seem to like it or find it beautiful, it's just words arranged in a fancy way.
>>741994904why do you hope that? Saying there's nothing in 1984 except character drama when the worldbuilding in a very short novel gave us a number of widely used and recognized terms that are now just a part of daily vocabulary for everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb_86qdMRIY&list=PLhSVZuXEXaVIPgKS7y6Bt3JEPh5YQBmNU
>>741995094because you are a nasty and rude cunt and people like you only deserve to suffer>Saying there's nothing in 1984 except character drama when the worldbuilding in a very short novel gave us a number of widely used and recognized terms that are now just a part of daily vocabulary for everyone. 1. Why didn't you say that instead?2. How does a book spawning a bunch of phrases still used today counter that it's mostly shitty character drama? I could write a book about someone taking a greasy shit and it could have colorful phrases in it that spread into the wider culture.
>>741995021you probably aren't and should just check more stuff out. I like poetry a bit and I also find that Shelley poem extremely meh It's more like music where you just find songs you like, and you don't really listen to the filler stuff, or it can be anyway. I guarantee if you read a bit around you'd find someone put something a way you really appreciate, and that's about that or some are descriptive. I like this one
>>741947428Dosto is just many people's entry into literature and most don't go from there so it gets something of an elevated status amongst newbies
>>741994868that's all poetry
>>741995224I'm lost by the end of the first stanza and just confused by the second one. What artificial wilderness? His shield? What sky like lead? Is it describing his shield as being grey?>A plain without a feature, bare and brown...his forehead? Was Achilles brown?
>>741995216no I'm really not man, there are just 8 trillion retarded posts written on the internet every single day and now look you're trying to rope me into some angry discussion about why you're very smart and 1984 is a bad or overrated book. You're the one who is wrong. >How does a book spawning a bunch of phrases still used today counter that it's mostly shitty character drama? it doesn't "counter" anything. 1984 isn't character drama though that's stupid, it's a dystopian world novel and a very good one. This is fucking /v/, if a videogame had half of the great dystopic scenes and scenery from 1984 and used language in as memorable a way that it entered the global vernacular it would be so obviously a masterpiece in game writing, but because you feel inferior to literature you react this way.
>>741995357you sort of need to understand mythology i guess, this poem describes the moment when Hephaestus the Greek god of smiths creates Achilles' armor and presents it to his mother. She looks for scenes of triumph, beauty, glory, etc (her son is pretty amazing) and just sees his death At least that's the basic premise I guess. I'm not a poems understander but I do really like the way language is used here. If you can't appreciate any of it ever you probably could stand to read more rather than feigning bafflement that people could do this shit for the entirety of human history and it could mean anything.
>>7419953798 trillion retarded posts are worth more than 1 of your assholish ones, didn't read past that, I sincerely hope nothing but misery and tragedy plagues you throughout your entire life
>>741995535lol ok spaz
>>741994830>any particular reason you don't want to discuss quotes from the books and writers you supposedly love? I'd be interestedbecause youre a weird smug redditor>>741995021>I don't even know what most of this means beyond the vague idea that good moments are fleeting the first stanza talks aboutenglish romanticists poems are very straightforward in meaning so dont overcomplicate it, you pretty much got it right lightning that mocks the night being the worlds delight is just referring to how exceptional the flash of light is that sticks out in an otherwise pitch black world, and that you have a split second to appreciate it before its gone, because romanticist niggas love referring to human experienecs with examples from nature
this thread was interesting until the poetryfags showed up
>>741995524I'm baffled at how people can enjoy it or what it's even supposed to mean>you have to know some obscure part of a Greek myth to understand thisCome the fuck on
>>741995617name one book you read this month
>>741978415Maybe that's because you're only reading garbage
>>741995613How does that "mock" the night though? Virtue isn't always frail, friendship isn't always rare, I have no idea what love selling poor bliss means unless it's just shitting on love in general, no idea why "for proud despair" follows that - does it mean that love fails and gives way to despair? The last 3 lines of the second stanza are just gibberish.>while skies are pretty, flowers happy, "eyes that change ere night" whatever the fuck that means, "make glad the day" whatever the fuck that means, "whilst yet the calm hours creep" whatever the fuck that means, you are dreaming, and when you awaken you will cryI know this is probably frustrating and I just come across like some stupid asshole but I genuinely don't get it, it's just words put in a confusing way
>>741945447How is this thread is still up? I thought anti video games get nuke fast?
>>741995625>I'm baffled Ya but that's a personal failing of you not being educated and not something inherently baffling about literature. >obscure It's about the least obscure myth there is, and not a single educated person prior to WW2 wouldn't recognize it. Chritopher Nolan is making a movie with Achilles in it right now. I'm not even trying to be mean. It's not easy to understand what these people are saying. It's not all about the meaning though, like my favourite part in that poem is the lines>But there on the shining metal>Where the altar should have been,>She saw by his flickering forge-light>Quite another scene.the rhyme here I just think is really appealing and it unnerves the reader - I can't really explain how language makes an impact on people so please don't ask. Likely there is language that can do this for you as well This song is pretty popular and it's a poem. Do you really not find it moving at all? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPnhaGWBnys
>>741945491>>741947428I also read Crime and Punishment because of Trevor and he's genuinely correct that it's more thought provoking than 99% of video games. It's hilariously ironic that 4chan of all places can't relate to a novel that is quite literally a character study on the biggest chud in all of Czarist Russia.
>>741995671I haven't read a book in like 20 years, they are boring
>>741945491I fuckin love Demons >>741994768I don't dig the BPD chick desu
>>741996025Demons is awesome. Every single thing Dostoyevsky wrote was awesome.
>>741945447It took him more than a decade to realize that GTA and other gaymen fanbase is filled with mentally ill retards lmao
>>741995930so far the thread is making video games seem more appealing, so it gets to stay
>>741995969More people would probably be educated if school didn't suck fucking ass>It's about the least obscure myth there isI've heard of a bunch of other myths but all I know about Achilles is that his ankle was his only weak point because his mom held him by it while dipping him in a pool of immortality or whatever, and Brad Pitt played him in that one movie where he dies from a bunch of wounds but only an arrow is left in his ankle as a way to explain the myth.I don't know why you find that bit appealing or unnerving, it just means she expected to see glory and instead saw something else, something that scared her, it doesn't do anything for me.I couldn't listen to that song, the soft guitar and that dude's voice pissed me off right away.
>>741996135>Every single thing Dostoyevsky wrote after serving time at the gulag was awesome.FTFY
>>741995925percey shelley had a dogshit life where his works werent appreciated until after he died, lived in the UK, and drowned at 29, so with that background he was a cynic with very small windows of opportunity to enjoy life, so for him every positive feeling was very temporary compared to negative feelings that were more permanent
>>741996235>More people would probably be educated if school didn't suck fucking assyou are correct, but you can educate yourself >i had to turn it off, that song bro this is auld lang syne lol it's like a traditional new years anthem sung around the world by hundreds of millions of people >unnerving like i said i can't explain it to you and from the way this conversation is going I can tell even if i tried my hardest and succeeded you'd just say "nah i dont get it"
>>741965472What the fuck you're on about Crime and Punishment is the least pretentious book.
>>741948096What makes books interesting to me is concepts and ideas as well as rich narrative, characters and worlds. I can enjoy it in the sense I'm not there, just peering into that world, like how a god watches over the earth or something. To say that's 'cucked' seems a bit short in scope.Video games are good too though and for the agency they can give, yes. Movies and TV shows can be fun too. Limiting yourself to one or two mediums is the gayest though.Also I was reading 'catcher in the rye' over this holiday I'm having and it sucks. Dull as fuck, avoid it. Blood meridian was fun and the descriptions are long but my favourite parts.I. Currently playing RE revaluations 2. Enjoy it better than the first. Moira is annoying but sexy and Rachel is my new fav re girl.
>>741996279He should've gotten a real job instead of writing stupid gay shit and expecting others to pay for it, and learned how to swim. >reading his bio on wikipedia>born into money>got bullied a lot for being a huge faggot and never fought back>edgelord dabbling in occult shit and doing douchebag pranks blowing shit up>WAAA MY LIFE IS SO HARD WAAAAWhat a whiny loathsome bitch, now I'm kinda proud that I'm too stupid to comprehend his schlock
>>741945447>virgin Trevor wanting nothing to do with GTA>chad Raziel being stuck in the Sarafan stronghold for four hourshttps://youtu.be/1HPcsNdnf78
this one about babies is very nice, imo, and I like the line >God's laughing in heaven >to see you so good a lot In a couple lines you get some nice imagery that is warming and comforting to imagine and believes, like God laughing personally over newborn babies, and angels standing in literal sentry over them - a nice bittersweet ending that concedes that something so beautiful it gives unceasing joy to God will actually cease to exist with the passage of time
>>741996348>bro this is auld lang syne lol it's like a traditional new years anthem sung around the world by hundreds of millions of peopleThat means nothing to me.>like i said i can't explain it to youThis is always the answer I end up getting in the end.>from the way this conversation is going I can tell even if i tried my hardest and succeeded you'd just say "nah i dont get it"Probably but probably because I still wouldn't get it.
>>741996550without him his wife never wouldve written frankenstein so he at least accomplished that
>>741947428>>741996003>>741947505>Nigga be acting like a judgemental cunt to a whore after merking two womenlol, lmao, Bravo Fyodor
>>741996667>That means nothing to me.ya you're severely undereducated and don't know anything about any culture either past or present.>always the answer I think many many people will tire of explaining things to you throughout your life. >probably because i still wouldn't get it probably!
>>741996643So angels are looking at a baby because they are tired of dealing with the dead (who are whimpering despite being in heaven?) For some reason God is laughing, I guess out of sheer joy because he really likes babies? No idea who the Sailing Seven are but they share God's happiness I think. >I sight that kiss youSaar?>For I must own, that I shall miss you, when you have grownI guess the parent narrating this won't love their kid as much when he's older?
>>741948750American psychoThe name of the roseThe flashman papers Clive barkers books of blood Gilgamesh
>>741996804brother lol, I don't know what to tell you except this stuff probably isn't for you
>>741996804Holy shit
>>741996816>Gilgamesh
>>741996801I mean the fact that millions of people sing it, why does that mean is has meaning? Like what am I supposed to do with that information?
>>741996917you should stop replying to me
>>741996889>>741996859Did I at least get the meaning right? I don't think I get whatever emotion is behind it but did I get what it's conveying? The only thing I can think of with the Sailing Seven is I think those kings who went to see Jesus when he was born but I don't know Christianity well.
>>741945447Stop reading books and go play dorfGo experience a story that is made out of all your poor decisions.
>>741996980I had to look it up too lol, despite claiming to like the poem - the sailing 7 are the 7 traditional planets (excluding Uranus and Neptune). I sigh that kiss you also gave me pause but it's a way of saying >I that kiss you sigh
books with real knowledge arent for everyone, the masses yearn for the bread and circus 99% of books are also worthless wastes of paper and manpower
>>741948819I own mine kampf and whilst it's informative and you get his motivations and sympathise, it's so very dull. You can tell it's written by a guy who's never wrote a book before is what I'm saying. I found his Vienna stuff fun but he never goes into enough depth I found for example.Now nazi kino I can recommend is Otto skorzenis biography and fiction from Hans stressel. Oh and nazi femdom magazines from the 70,s like 'Hessi' and of course the classic 'the turner diaries' or others by that author.
>>741997034How the fuck are planets happy?>>741997085Someone take Grandma's thesaurus away.
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>>741996786He thought he was Napoleon.
>>741997143jesus christ buddy metaphorically, brightly, mythologically >and perhaps literally Do you have autism? If you do I'm actually sorry about some of my replies to you.
>>741973828Said no one ever. Only a fucking retarded faggot with zero mental intellect like you. I can assure you that they didn't leave the mortuary because your atrophied brain, incapable of reading 3 paragraphs in a row, had to send the signal to take out your phone and swipe to Instagram. Even reading this comment is proving difficult for you to understand and discern. Come on, wipe that sweat off your forehead, because today, by reading this, you've made your brain work more than you have all year.
>>741996786when does he judge Sonya harshly?
notes from the underground basically reads like a 4chan user's journal
>>741997157Right is easier to read, I'm not even being ironic. Thou shalt quiver in thine what the fuck ever I can't stand that shit.
>>741951284Read 'the king in yellow' if you haven't and like Lovecraft's stuff. It's what inspired him and frankly he stole some ideas from it.
>>741997157brandon sanderson and his dnd follower drones is exactly what based nigga ursula le guin was talking about >>741997085
>>741996003C&P is worth reading just for Porfiryi styling so much on Raskolnikov he nearly has a heart attack every time they talk.
>>741997219That makes no sense though, how the fuck is a planet metaphorically or mythologically happy? It's bright? Planets don't brighten in response to anything but light, and I'm not just being absurdly literal, I know what people mean if they say something like "his face brightened with joy", they don't mean luminescence.
>>741996003I haven't tried Crime and Punishment but I did crack open Karamazov and the way it's presented was very strange, it reads like transcript of if I was sitting at a table and my slightly unhinged uncle dropped himself onto the opposite side and just starts yammering at me. I don't know if I've read another book that has that kind of narrator where it's presented so similarly to having somebody next to me telling me a story. Are his other books like that? The only other Eastern European books I've read are Roadside Picnic and Solaris and the prose/format in those felt kind of strange but I just attributed it to the translation, neither were as offputting as Karamazov though.
>realizing this thread is probably how basically everyone feels about reading demoralizing
>>741945447You know what Far Cry isn't even big of a franchise compared to GTA how his career didn't kick off in Hollywood while the villain from Far Cry 3 was a regular in Breaking Bad spin off and a villain in the new Spider-Man movie?
>>741997438>autism And there's a lot you don't know >that makes no sense though for you
>>741947428If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
>>741997447the knowledge divide in the next generation is going to be massive, you'll have kids whos parents read them books and didnt allow them to have ipads absolutely mind gapping retarded kids who got an ipad at 3
>>741997439anyone who starts a classic russian novel and doesn't immediately like it or vibe with it should CHECK THE TRANSLATOR. If your book was translated by Pevear and Volokhonsky (and it probably was) get a DIFFERENT translation and try again. These two suck the life out of the books they translate.
>>741997592the problem is this stuff sort of relies on a shared enough cultural quality to even exist. Sure I can read things but if no one else does human life is pointless. Not that nobody ever would, but God what a retarded future.
>>741997509Then how WOULD it make sense?>>741997447Any organism seeks avoidance of pain before pleasure, you can't enjoy busting a nut if you just snapped your femur. Dunno what he means by the second part, I guess he's trying to do some cynical musing that all we live for is pleasure and then dying out of boredom?
>>741997286Did you even read the book? It's one of the most iconic quotes.>Your worst sin is that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing.
>>741945447Well, it's not like /v/ plays video games.
>>741997685I don't really have the liberty to spend my entire night explaining to you what everything means. I recommend you set an autistic goal to read 100 great works just to see if you can get through them and then come back to poetry. But seriously have you never listened to a song you liked before?
>>741997286Sonya is such a hot name. Maybe I'll read the book after all
>>741997085>real knowledgeWhat is real knowledge? Why is reading about ancient egypt less substantive than reading Shakespeare's Cleopatra?People who look down on fiction are often just fools who simply cannot appreciate art for being art. You'd look at the Sistine Chapel and go "bloody waste of time"
>>741997752lol dude Sonya says that to Rodion
>>741945491Who is 'ostoyefsky'? Fucking retard
>>741983850at my school they made us read animal farm
>>741997779I don't really listen to songs with lyrics, mostly videogame music. Recently I've been enjoying the actiony part of this song from Amid Evilhttps://youtu.be/OWQaEJqZwrQ?t=122and thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reA-VWYJ6lUbut that's it. I get the emotional content behind music if that's what you mean but I've never felt a single thing from words, I don't understand how arranging them in a certain way inspires emotion in others, it just confuses me.
>>741946478TT got 'em fucking seething
>I can't REad!
>>741945517Is this game fun?
>>741997840The Sistine Chapel bothers me because it's such a thing of beauty but done in the name of something as goofy and nonsensical as religion.
>>741946114What for? Words are just for an approximation of what you experience internally, whatever you can put together will always be for the sake of the consumption of others so it's not really authentic anymore.
>>741998105no. read the novelization instead
>>741998107>goofyyou are a faggot and the sistine chapel isn't for you, everything made for God is the most beautiful thing ever
>>741997848Nigger you're gaslighting me? It was Raskolnikov who said that to Sonya after questioning her christian belief.
>>741998157Why does it being done for the sake of consumption mean it's not authentic anymore?
>>741998003My AP English class made me read Johnny Got His Gun, Catcher in the Rye, The Great Gatsby, 1984, and Hamlet which must have been the third consecutive year in a row I was forced to read Hamlet.In hindsight my teacher must have googled "Top books to read in English class". Guy was a total commie and whined when people didn't agree with his reading of Catcher
>>741998205That's what I mean, such skill and passion wasted on a goofy ass groupthink mental disease based around pretending there is an invisible being that created everything but nobody can detect it at all.
>>741998107Based quote inventer
>>741998107If only the Sistine chapel was made for Materialistic nihilism instead!
>>741998317I think that would suck even more.
>>741996907What? It's short and fun. I liked the part when he fucked that guy's wife on the wedding night like a chad.
>>741945447>go to a book store>most of the books and displays are targeting women>men are assumed to read only the classics and the 57 books in some unfinished fantasy seriesShit is grim but I pretty much only buy classics so it tracks
>>741998107>nonsensical atheist be like>religion (only Christianity thou never the sandshit religions or buddha or any gross pagan larp shit) is so goofy broalso atheists>architecture and paintings from Christians are so beautiful bro why is thatyou'll never have a Leonardo da vinci, cope
>>741998217Because it's a condensation of truly indescribable experiences using a conventional tool for information sharing, you're not giving others the real experience, only an approximation that they themselves will interpret according to their own intimate perspective. Writing is an art but it's far from being the ultimate expression of the self which is unfortunately impossible to know to the Other.
>>741998278>muh sciencethe same science that told you to take the vax?
I'm like 4 chapters deep on this guy, and while it starts really good, the whole ludovician "conceptual shark" is a little too gay and pseudointellectual for my liking, it would have been better if it was just a regular somewhat invisible eldritch shark and not an excuse to show off that you know how to make an ASCII shark.
>>741998003It's pretty fucking short, brainlet.It just said communism is bad and I already knew that reading about the soviets during 1910-1960's. Was kind of redundant.
>>741998516>indescribableYou literally have words to do this. You are doing it right this instant.>only an approximation that they themselves will interpret according to their own intimate perspectiveThis reads like some David Lynch shit: sure you can't convey the EXACT same feeling, but you can elaborate and try to explain further instead of stonewalling and being obtuse. Make an effort at least.
>>741998107I knew you were reddit fag
>>741997840>What is real knowledge?All information is on a spectrum with varying levels of "real knowledge". Knowing bullshit slop like Love Island / The Bachelor contestants is obviously less valuable than knowledge about science, technology, engineering, math, politics, culture, geography, etc.
>>741998492I don't understand, your just reiterating what I already said. It's beautiful but it's in service of such a nonsensical concept. All religions are goofy but I don't think sandniggers made a Sistine Chapel yet (and if they did it would probably suck because everyone would be in turbans and burqas). If you are suggesting that beauty can only come from worshipping something then that is a very depressing idea.
>>741998107i take great offense that you replied to that anon but werent even the guy he was talking to (me, ursula leguin quote nigga), now i look like an anti religion reddit fag
>>741998735That woman seems like a total cunt too, I looked her up and apparently all her shit was scifi crap about sexuality and gender, I hate scifi that used as a vehicle for mental illness instead of a vehicle for cool shit like alien babes with huge boobs and starfighter battles.
Is Brothers Karamazov is really that mid? I've Dosto's 4 other books.
>>741998703I'm not a fan of Muslims but you don't have 1 good thing to say about the taj mahal? Your posts read like youre somewhere between 17 and 23, and you just "broke free" from your stepdad strongly encouraging you go to his nondenominational evangelical church every couple of weeks....
>>741945447I finished Two Towers on Tuesday and my copy of The Return of the King is trapped in a storage closet that my wife >organized by burying my books and dvds/blu rays behind hundreds of pounds of crap. I did read some of Acts on my phone yesterday though.
>>741997595The copy I have is the Oxford one translated by Ignat Avsey. Like I said, I don't know if it is just the style in which the book is written or if it's the translation, I just thought the presentation was very strange the way the narrator has a strong tendency to get side tracked into what feels like side conversations. I'm just wondering if that's the manner in which he writes all his stuff.
I apologise to pseuds on 4chan; Blood Meridian is exactly as good as people say it is.
>>741998848shes the antichud
>>741998883>I just thought the presentation was very strange the way the narrator has a strong tendency to get side tracked into what feels like side conversationsDo NOT read Hugo
>>741998449literally every time I buy a book from a book store now the cashier grimaces and gives me dirty looksand they wonder why no one reads anymore
>>741998278For someone shitting on organized religion, you sure do seem to be lacking perspective. The people who made that were more thoughtful than you will ever get I imagine. I'm not even that religious by the way. If you can't appreciate the majesty of man's works for divinity that's your loss as your brain is making a mental roadblock for you. I'm not saying you need to suck the popes cock, but you should appreciate that the mythos and belief carried as much weight to those artisans as you have revering...well I don't know, whatever you hold dear in your heart.It's what people mean by soul I get. Passion, drive, meaning. You are so very enlightened yet cannot muster enough empathy to put yourself in their minds to grasp why they did it in the first place mostly.
>>741998449the biggest whiplash of going to an in person bookstore is realizing 99% of the books on shelves are some dumb bitches lesbian retelling of greek stories
>>741998965Bro, my local library is a fucking disaster>big multi million dollar art project building>less than 1/4 of the shelfspace is occupied by books>use the library website to see if they have books>looking for some psychological horror book "The Dark something or other">that book doesn't come up, get 10 pages of MY LIFE AS A BLACK LESBIAN
>>741998864I'm 34, I wasn't raised religious at all, I've never gone to a church of any sort, I don't really like onion architecture or buildings that are one uniform color, I just never got religion at all because it seems to always be based around huge jumps in logic that require massive speculation instead of the honest answer of "I dunno".>dude we really reincarnate and can escape Samsara>dude God incarnated a portion of himself as a carpenter who got crucified for pissing off jews>dude God appeared as a burning bush and whispered to a warlord psychopath who said that if you eat pigs or someone sees your wife's ankles you go to hellLike come on man, do you REALLY believe this shit? It makes way more sense to me that matter exists, life eventually formed, life adapted and branched out into countless different forms, eventually one form was a mostly hairless type of ape heavily adapted to object manipulation with an ability for complex language structures so we can coordinate and work together because nature is a nigger and flying solo against it is difficult and that said apes started making shit up to explain stuff they couldn't comprehend at the time and it just went out of control from there.
>>7419945211984 holds many truths but Orwell was an ultra schizo that not only did that but also tried ratting out people he thought to be dissidents to the authorities.1984 wasn't a warning of a dystopian future, but his wet dream.
>>741999161>do you really believe this shitI believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, begotten from the Father before all ages, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made; of the same essence as the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven; he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary, and was made human. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried. The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end.And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. He proceeds from the Father and the Son, and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look forward to the resurrection of the dead, and to life in the world to come. Amen.Even if none of this is true, and we are some big cosmic accident, you can't tell me why it'd be bad to believe it in any meaningful sense. If you're right and I'm wrong, we both get the same ending. If I'm right and you're wrong, you're in for a bad time
>>741999072I don't revere anything really, maybe being alive because it's kinda cool and it can be really nice at times? I don't like suffering or harm to the innocents so I guess I revere animals a bit. I don't get what them being thoughtful or revering those mythos is supposed to tell me, like that's obvious, they were obviously much more intelligent than me, that doesn't mean I don't still find it bothersome that something that seems like extremely obvious total bs is the motivator behind such artistry. Putting myself in their shoes accomplishes what? I don't think I'm enlightened, I just think the world is pretty simple and we use language to make it sound confusing, like you could probably ask me 500 questions I can't answer at all but that doesn't make the world more complex than it really is or I understand it to be.
>>741999130my library had a comfy grey aestheticnow it's some garish orange/green color combination and half the novels were thrown away to expand the manga/YA/self-help sections :/
>>741999332>so afraid of the most generous and graceful entity in the universe that he has to posture on an anime imageboardnice god you have there fag
>>741999332Pascal's wager is silly. You better pray the Muslims aren't correct and you are wrong. Even if your belief is harmless it's still annoyingly irrational and bizarre to take it to heart as the true source of everything. I feel like this is a cross generational thing where people believe something because they were raised to believe it.
>>741998613You're being retarded, hopefully on purpose. You use words to convey meaning, however words are inauthentic compared to inner meaning because they are merely a tool to make the internal external, the authentic inauthentic, because the moment you use words, you make something someone else's entirely. I said " *truly* indescribable" because words can't grasp the full scope of what the mind sees, only a limited one which, while good for transmitting knowledge and general truths, can never replace inner experience fully. For example, the Book of Disquiet often mentions seemingly unreal vistas of the sky. Do you believe you're seeing them exactly as the author did? He didn't give precise coordinates in a chromatic palette nor did he define shapes, but even if so, you're filling blanks that he deliberately added. The verb "to articulate" describes precisely the general truth I'm getting at, it's to try to put to words what you couldn't instantly, because you're figuring an approximation, through a tool bound to a set of rules accepted by others, to describe it as you understood it. There are degrees of mastering the tool, but its nature is simly one such that this gap can't be totally surpassed.
i wanted to get into visual novels because i've given up on the idea that modern video games can tell a worthwhile story but i still like visual storytelling, but it seems like all visual novels are gooner japslop too so theres really no replacing books
>>741998105just cheat max attributes and you are good to go
>>741999515>pray the Muslims aren't correctI don't have to pray on it, they affirm the scripture they contradict>Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord’s revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief. So do not grieve for the people who disbelieve.Further I'm not invoking pascals wager as the reason I believe, I'm invoking pascals wager because atheists don't have a good reason to not believe in God, even if I were to grant that there is no God, you can't demonstrate why it'd be wrong for me to believe in Him in the first place
>>741945491Notes From the Underground is the first 4chan greentext story
>>741999532If the goal is to convey a visual then a book is a pretty bad medium. I hate ambiguity, don't tell me to fill in the blanks because then whatever I generate mentally is GUARANTEED to be different from what you intended. I want to know what you saw, not what I imagine when you describe it, so choose a visual medium to show it instead.
>>741999161A thousand years from now, som faggot like you will scoff at everything you believe because he will have more information and feel he is more enlightened than you are.Religion dulls the masses, sure. Done pleb onion farmer hears his priests story and believes it whole heartedly because it's all he knows and will ever know.Let learn men, scholars, intellectual titans wrestled with all this too. Hypothesis, speculation, philosophy borne from it all...to discard all religion is discard actual knowledge obtained using it as a form of crutch to navigate a world that was to them vast and unknowable.Idk I just hate people who shit on people of the past. Like you'd do any better born into it. Looking at the vast tapestry of culture and it's growth...and taking a dump on it.Your ignorant but in a different way. You place much in theoretical musings much like a religious fantastic does in dogma.
>>741998897>reddit: the book
Kojima is the pynchon of vidya
>>741999576I can't do visual novels, the "presentation" of them is embarrassing. Overall they seem like a bad compromise between multiple other mediumsEven the umineko manga blows away the vn
>>741998897I still need to give it another shot. I had a period where I went through a lot of audiobooks while working and the prose of BM was too disjointed and complex to be able to parse while focusing on driving but I love every other one of Cormac's books so I know I just need to get a physical copy of BM to read.
>>741999161If there is a highest good worth striving for, what is it, and how is it best achieved?
>>741999626You don't have a good reason to not believe in Allah. You can extrapolate that to any extraordinary claim. False beliefs absolutely can influence harm by creating a vehicle through which harmful beliefs can gain momentum, but even if it's totally harmless, a belief should be proportioned to the available evidence, not just it's consequences. That's how we establish our entire sense of what is real. If I told you there is an invisible gorilla perched on your shoulders right now taking a dump on your head, it'd be pretty unreasonable for me to assert that with no evidence. It hurts communication in general when anyone can make anything up as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
>>741999869the conclusion i've come to after witnessing countless dogshit jrpgs, visual novels, anime, etc, is that japanese people just cant write anything above a 3rd grade level, theyre just too overworked to any higher than that i thinktheres like 10 japanese writers total in history that have put anything out higher than high school fanfic tier writing
>>741999709You can retain knowledge but discard the mythos that it was once associated with.
>>741998897Just don't ask /lit/
>>742000002>You don't have a good reason to not believe in AllahIf Allah says to hold to the Gospels, and the further revelation contradicts those gospels, you've fallen into a logical trap>false believes CAN influence harmIs harm bad? >a belief SHOULD what worldview informs how beliefs OUGHT to operate?
>>741999968Fuck if I know, I can't really make any more claim to that than anyone else can. Don't be cruel to others who don't deserve it, try to leave the world a bit happier than you left it is how I try to live. Life is just will to power, objectivity doesn't really exist in any capacity, so all you can do is try your best in the best way you can.
>>742000002Almost got >>742000000
>>742000204>objectivity doesn't existIf objectivity doesn't exist then neither can truth, in which case my religious beliefs are no sillier than your secular beliefs
>>742000254That would have been a waste
>>741999363The world is simple in many ways yet also very complex in others. All the things you list as important to your understanding of how the world and humanity came to being was very complex for example.You just sound like you don't get why people dedicated their lives to a cause or anything higher than their base desires. People still do this, but with politics over religion (a fanatic comes in many forms).Yet beauty is found in everything, even the most unlikely places. Now, I'm not going to spout scripture at you (I never cared to retain any other than idk, the lords prayer and a few hymns at school?) but id argue you should still grapple in your mind, to your dying day, 'why'. Why all of it? Why worship x or y? If you stop asking why, your either very certain or a fool. There is no shame still learning until your dying day. That's why your better than an ape. For the record, much of what science tells us tracks for me. I just keep an open mind enough to think it could all be wrong or misunderstood or false information too.
>>741998212i think you're mistaken
