https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvBfVbbY_0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auYMuchUa_Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pod9PB70SMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFR7GQ1JtCkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cnl3w_6Akghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh5hdQdHC8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qazP4M4Fvawhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfWOik1wys0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL_40s1s8yMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Fy5oh2Pe8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-RsgQTSEVI
>>742701326THIS IS OUR WARSTREET FIGHTER 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pi-Zn8zcUQ
>>742702789https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC-teliH73whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiM2Zl9x9rYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsTnXNF6DjY
I've been going through the BBCF combo trials to get a feel for everyone, and Litchi feels the most fun so far. Are any of her trials good for real matches?
i miss strive aba
>>742703597Do any of those combo trials have you go like abc staff throw behind opponent jump on staff extend combo hop off staff and then throw staff again? Because thats what all medicore in skill and up litchis bnbs looked like (i dont play her)
>>742704085where did they go?
>>742700928i think i actually like doa6 more than tekken 8it feels horrible to say that
>>742704236she died...
>>742704254You could've just said break meter and fatal rush is better than heat
>>742704085strive aba might be my favorite fighting game design of all time, not gameplay just aesthetically... i'm learning her in +r and she feels way faster in that game
IN THE LIIGGGGGGGGGGGGHT CUT AWAYALL VEXAATIONSSSSSS
I want to fuck clones of Sol's girlfriend, and clones of Ragna's sister.
How do you save COTW?
>>742706024I dont think shariah law approves this image m8
>>742700928What are some fighting games for remedial rogs?
>A Youtuber is flaming red flags with tokon already FGC's paddering won't help the sales for tokon in short term.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiRhSod2gqA
>>742706119Tekken 8 or fighterZ
>>742706024Lamest and weakest female cast ever
>>742706119Tekken 8 aka Affirmative Action 8Street Fighter 5 aka Mash V-Trigger 5MK1 aka a game you can play EVERY NIGHT
>>742700928How bad is Terumi in centralfiction? I see he’s bottom tier but is he a constant struggle and practically unplayable? I’d kind of like to learn him but dunno if it’d be a waste of time if he’s that bad
>>742701326Who's the cutie and what did she drug her husband with?
>havent played SF6 in 3 weeks>decide to play ranked without even warming up>lose 6 sets in a rowVS>havent played Strive in 2 months>decide to play ranked without even warming up>rank up to diamond 3 by the end of the sessionI dont know what is it about SF6 but if you are not constantly playing the game its like all the muscle memory and good habits like checking drive rush and parry timings just leave you
>>742706450Hes playable like any other characterTier lists dont matter in blazyblue only your skill and if you can abuse your character more to out bullshit enemy gamers character bullshit
>>742706740I haven't played Strive in like two years and after picking up Robo Ky I'm winning more matches than I'm losing just by doing cS fS HS blitz.Strive is still absolute mindless gorilla nonsense but somehow it's less suffocating than Drive Rush.
>>742706450he's bad but is annoying as fuck and will just fucking kill you
>>742701875THIS IS MY JIVESTREET FIGHTER FIVE
>>742706450He's definitely playable, he just has some pretty bad problems that reduce his viability like too much OD reliance to actually get to his win condition, having his reversal being locked behind 50 meter, an awful CA and low damage on some starters. He's got extremely fast dash momentum which lets him get around the screen very quickly, a 19 frame overhead on a special which means that he can cancel into it from basically any button and which leads to good reward in the corner, solid pressure with easy access to strong pressure resets like 2C>j.2D, the ability to deal 6-7k off a single touch if he has OD and 100 meter because of jabaku and lots of gimmicky tech traps you can do to bait people into mashing on wake up.
>>742706740SF6 is an actual fighting game whereas Strive is a gorilla masher daycare for transpeople.
>>742706024Remove Salvatore and Ronaldo ffs
>>742706498Marriage crazed Elphelt drugging a poor gear human
>>742707170Drugging him with what?
>>742707167And displease the Saudi prince?
>>742707163gorilla masher seems like the perfect description for SF6 tho. Strive has actual defensive mechanics unlike Slime Fighter 6
>>742707532>has blocks, has parriers, has movementwhat defensive option is missing from sf6
>>742706024Go back in time, tell those retards to just put ken and chun as the base guests instead irl arab property #1 and #2, tell them to not waste time on any retarded marketing like THIS and tell them to get one or two guys from arcsys to guide them on how to do their style like 8ing with dnf duel.
>>742707756More like go back in time to 2016 where cotw would look presentable next to sf5
>>742706024>>742707756Also as an add on. Put in at least two more girls on release and two more as dlc. why the fuck would you only put 4 girls in a roster of 17 characters and then only add 1 girl per season after. I don't care if fatal fury didn't have a lot of girls even strive had a third of the roster being girls when there were 15 characters so it shouldn't be hard to make up some shit better than preecha.
>>742707397some sort of aphrodisiac
>>742707802imagine the smell
>>742707167I'd rather they were just standard Fatal Fury newcomers instead of real people. Salvatore has a lot of personality in his aninations and Ronaldo's gameplay, adapting a soccer player into a zoning setplay character, is a really cool and creative.
>>742706217Chances the PSN requirement kills Tokon?Chances all this spergout actually manages to remove the PSN requirement?
>>742706024i get more matches on cotw than strive and unist, i guess it is one of the few perks of beign sotuh american
>>742707802>>742708390can't wait to play her
>>742708390As long as those bandages are fresh.
>>742707802>>742708390I bought UNI2 to play as her.
>>742708687Your types don't tend to stick around very long.
>>742708757I play other FGs just not UNI
>>742708910That doesn't change what I said.
>>742706024move SNK to South America and offer killing a nigger for free and without consequences as first prize for tournaments
>>742707673>what defensive option is missing from sf6>no invincible backdash like sf4>no Variable wake up timings like sf4the scramble fest of a game third strike had more throw invul frames + your actively punished for blocking>sf6 2F >turd strike 6Fyou actually had to stagger pressure before https://youtu.be/BsGj7QEQ4eo?si=1Wq3p0MradY_OSIw
>>742708972See me at Combobreaker
Final verdict on Robo-Ky? I think he's fun
>>742709085Was there playing a ton of casual sets this year.
>>742708451>Chances the PSN requirement kills Tokon?Toss up. Sony is saving face with tokon after killing physical media and the PS3/Vita servers>Chances all this spergout actually manages to remove the PSN requirement?Very likely, it's a helldivers 2 situation.
>>742708757I don't really give a shit if he bought it for one character. I'm happy to see someone else buying/playing UNI period.It's not like we have a surplus of players right now. We're getting our asses kicked by fucking COTW.
>>742709108I miss almost everything they took away from him that he had in +R, but I'm still having fun with him in Strive.
>>742707756They should've had made one of these 90s styled commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqvBnxnMc74&pp=ygUXZmF0YWwgZnVyeSAzIGNvbW1lcmNpYWw%3D
>>742709108"Ky is a grappler character" has finally meme'd its way into existence.
>>742709214why the fuck would you compare it to fucking COTW
>>742708451>Chances the PSN requirement kills Tokon????don't all games that aren't f2p require PSN anyway? why would sony lift that from a fighting game off all things?
>>742709214After sitting through years of >I picked this game up just to learn Yuzu!and watching them turn into mediocre Akat players and then dropping the game, I'm just disillusioned with the general sentiment.Same with the loliposters.Zohar doesn't seem very execution heavy, even if I find her kit interesting, but if people can't even grasp Akat then I know what to expect.
>>742709368No f2p was always free on sony systems. It's on nintendo and MS ones that you need a subscription. Main reason why Fortnite and GTA are so big on the PS5.
>>742709368Because they kowtow'd to PC players during the helldivers 2 fiasco.
>>742708253Doesn't seem to have worked.
>>742709014outplayed
>>742709479>It's on nintendo and MS ones that you need a subscription.I have a ps4 and requiring a PSN subscription to play anything online has always been the norm, why are people bringing tokon up?>Main reason why Fortnite and GTA are so big on the PS5.sure but tokon isn't even in the same galaxy as those games>>742709483I mean, yea, if you don't want to pay for a subscription just play on PC, why would you play on Playstation if that's how they do things?
>>742709108i like that he has easy access high lows
>>742709760People are complaining about PSN accounts being required when playing Tokon on PC
>>742709760>I have a ps4 and requiring a PSN subscription to play anything online has always been the normWrong. Many games on the PS4 had completely free online modes(Gravity Rush 2 is a great example of this) and all f2p games were free from a subscription requirement(played DOA5 core fighters without PS+)
>>742709760You misunderstand bro. With Tokon Sony are once again trying to force PC players to have a PSN account like they did for helldivers 2.PC is also the majority playerbase for most fighting games. Combine these two and you get a possibility that Tokon will be doa.
>unranked game>start losing>just pull the plugWho here /devilish/?
>>742709860>>742709915oh, is that a thing? wtfhow does that even work?
>>742709972>login to steam account on PC>download game>open game>game opens with a PSN login screen>you have to sign into an account on your account you already signed into>if you don't have a PSN account you'll be forced to make oneObviously just another thing to pad PSN subscriber numbers. >>742708451They've already blocked the sale of Tokon on Steam in countries without PSN I doubt they're going to backpedal now.
>>742709920I'm not a bitch so couldn't be me.Only time i ever leave a match is when the lag is absymal.
>>742710290but do you just need a playstation account or do also need an active paid subscription? I dun gedit
Anyone up for mbaacc?
>>742706024They should rip ass at the same time
>>742710390just a PSN account, it's freebut some countries don't have access to PSN and hence why they can't play the game
Avatar beta was fun, I didn't get to play it as much as I wanted but I'm looking forward to the release. The lack of anti airs took a lot of getting used to but I think it works out well for the most part, you have to use movement to avoid being in that position in the first place so it ends up being very movement focused trying to get into position to hit or avoid air buttons. They need to tone down some of the more mindless air buttons maybe if they aren't going to let you anti-air them though.I never did really figure out how to interact with flow stance, I'd be worried it warps the game around it like drive parry but you fucking explode if if gets grabbed so at least the risk/reward is there. The flow movement guard cancel thing seems crazy, no one was really using it as far as I could tell and it's going to take some labbing to see what it can actually do but the potential is wild.Speaking of, they need to fix the training mode up a lot before release, the design is just nonsensical in a lot of ways and half the options don't work right. I can see they're trying though, they want it to be good it just needs more work.
What is the most swaggy and best animated super? For me its that one hol horse super from jojo hftf where emperor comes out of the screen and stabs you in the neck
>>742710912A lot of the Neo Deadly Raves
>>742710785ok, that makes more sense, still beyond retarded but not my problem to worry about I guess
>>742710912Every CyberConnect2 super
Lost a fucking ft3 and an ft5 against the same dude on Fightcade with 0 wins and deranked to e-rank in 3rd Strike...
>>742710912Ackshually, that's Hanged Man
>>742710912SEVEREBREAKUSLIDAAAAA
>>742706390xir porn is disappointing
>>742708757Needs more airdashing, I'd say that I'm playing for Kaguya's Kaguyas, but that's a lie>>742709479I remember germans of all things got cucked from playing betas when other countries could.I still dont get why
>>742710912Tsukasa's Battery of the Commandments Kite's Data Drain from dothack versus
>>742712049and Kite's*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfb8WIBDasIthis is a really good song for when you're fucking up your inputs while labbing
>>742712323i really really like the last guitar part
You know how SF6 has that "simultaneous input assistance" bind that lets you hold a button to give you ex moves for both punch and kick specials? COTW should have a button like that.
Maybe if FG pros didn't spend the past 30 years saying anyone who plays the games as an intermediate or high intermediate level was "Dogshit" new players wouldn't feel like they have to instantly be at EVO champ level or their time is wasted
>>742711460Damn george lucas went crazy there on nine with guitar
>>742711460goldlewis fucking owns
>>742710473I guess, even if I haven't played in a long while
>>742710912
>>742713150this is every game ever it's not unique to fighting games. i swear to fucking god everyone who speaks about this topic time and time again proves that they do not engage with any other competitive game in any meaningful way.
>>742713953In league for the longest time if you got to diamond or some shit you were allowed to say you were "Good" at the game. No idea what it's like these days since I know they did a bunch of rank restructuring.Meanwhile in some shit like SF6 you could get up to GM and everyone would still tell you you're ass at the game
>>742714112>In league for the longest time if you got to diamond or some shit you were allowed to say you were "Good"what the fuck? no??????????? being D5 was more of a meme than being plat, being diamond in league literally meant nothing, the only rank that ever mattered was challenger.
>>742714112>ranks in games are made in a way that even a fucking retard who doesn't know most of the game can get there>wtf why am I being called a shitter???
>>742714112league NA diamond is EU plat doe
>>742714214heck even fucking today you will have people meme masters players
>>742713150I don't really understand this mentality, if you're a new player, you're gonna suck, there's no way around it, you either learn the game because you like improving and put in the work or you just enjoy playing at a casual level like most people
>>742714302nobody enjoys playing FGs at a casual level. Everyone considers themselves a temporarily embarassed major winner
>>742714382the fuck are you even saying? 90% or more of everyone playing FGs is a casual
>>742714503Technically yes, but in their mind no.
>>742714546what does this even mean
I am mentally Daigo
>>742714565It means that technically most players do not have the skill or mindset to actually reach a competitive/high level of play in FGs but many continue to play them believing that one day they will magically wind up on the EVO stage and medal through attrition alone
>>742713737It''s fine I'm doing day1 with a new char79.243.246.56:10800
>>742714623tired and drunk?
>>742714565That boy needs therapy
>>742714758Exactly
>>742714723i think people just play the games cause they are having fun man, the vast majority of people that play fgs don't even go to locals.
>>742714723you're making up way too many delusional scenarios in your mind, anon, take care of yourself
>>742714826>i think people just play the games cause they are having fun man,15 minutes watching any FG streamer would tell you otherwise.
>>742714723Maybe I just think the game has cute and funny girls
>>742715007>comparing streamers to normal people
Anyone up for Fightcade/Blazblue/Soku?
>>742715007thats cause streamers play new game bad instead of having fun in old game good
The only thing separating your simple casual to an FGC content creator is 80% of the time the time and energy to edit videos.Most content creators will say "oh i love x game" but be like a fucking C-rank or something and their paltry video essays about how much they love x-character or a beginners guide are just sweeping generalizations. The actual specialists in game are hardly ever paid attention to because the average casual doesn't care to learn the nitty gritty details.
Is Guilty gear xrd rev2 and kill la kill if worth it?
>>742715246rev2 is one of the best fighting games ever made, kill la kill is an arena fighter
IIIII DOOOOOO NOT SEEEEEEEK UNDERSTAAAAAAAAANDING
>>742714723You are projecting hard. I just like the endorphins my brain releases when i land a psycho mine combo
buy her statue
>>742714726It seems to time out
>>742704236She had one round of nerfs and the entire playerbase exploded from having to deal with consequences of fucking upIgnore any Aba player who claims she's bottom tier unplayable
>>742716114try again
>>742715059Normal people get their opinions from streamers
>>742709479>It's on nintendo and MS ones that you need a subscription. Not sure about MS but on Switch you don't need NSO.
>>742715603>>742715012cope all you want but there's a reason why FG #s always temporarily bump up after EVO and shit even if nothing gets announced
>>742715439I heard the kill la kill game is kinda crap..is true?
>>742714726controller wasn't working.rehostan.
>>742716232Yeah, because of all the fucking discounts and updates
>>742716257you can say that about pretty much all arena fighters
>>742716232it's almost like theres a sale going on or something
>>742704254Wait till you play Tekken 7
>>742715074Damn aoko looking dried up here
>>742716257Yeah but that "i got this" meme sound comes from that game
>>742707673You cannot punish a meaty throw unless you have a TK air specialJumping will get you anti-aired, at best with a DP, sometimes with a superBackdash doesn't let you get a punish, some characters even being -1
in my mind, Marvel Tokon's potential to be a GOOD fighting game (i.e. not corporatised overdesigned gentrified AAAslop) is all weighted on whether or not Deadpool will keep the strengths and properties of all the specials he's referencing.If the Doom divekick isn't oppressive, tokon will be shit. if yoshi's suicide attack doesnt hurt himself on whiff, tokon will be shit. etc.IF, however, they DO maintain all these properties...we might have a chance, here
SNK girls are so fine, man. It's such a shame their games sell like shit.
>>742717008I keep forgetting Jenet is even in the game.I hardly ever see her played.
How do we make arena fighters good?
>>742716969>is all weighted on whether or not Deadpool will keep the strengths and properties of all the specials he's referencing.lollmao
>>742713150>new players wouldn't feel like they have to instantly be at EVO champ level or their time is wastedThat happens even with the most casual shit you can possibly imagine if it has online multiplayer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuHkp3azjoE
>>742713817Slayer blocks with dandy: Very good attempt dear boy, you remind me of my younger years but not as uncouth. Here...let me show you how it's done.
>>742717341This made me look up Doom's VA from MVC3 and he's fucking Eliphas from Dawn of War. No wonder he was so fucking smooth.
>>742717341Doom with the Slayer/Azrael dash
I love how honest 2B is, in both her fighting game appearances, she's not trashbad but not OP either.Just a solid character with unique tools.
>>742711460are you not 'allowed' to tiger-knee hcl so that it hits lower in strive...?
I finally managed Tao's bnb! Not much dmg, but the corner carry is good. Must be the hardest combo I've done yet, but feels really satisfying to pull off.
>>742717683>honestShe has fucking projectiles in a sword fighting game
Iroha and B. Jenet fighting over who gets to have their series Anime greenlight first. (nobody outside of SNK fans know where they're from)
>>742717171if they dont do that, it's a tacit admission theyre not interested in making something unique or interesting and are just going to remake the same character 20 times with different animations with a marginally gimmicky canned 50/50 setup/neutral skip...Again
>>742717846Ok now go pick mai and do 5aaa 236b and compare results
C. Viper is such a bad bitch oh my GOD
>>742717857Honestly fun
A.B.A is such a bad bitch oh my GOD
>>742718847Thats a man
>>742718847i can smell that picture. it dont smell natural.
>>742719012>>742718904>
>>742718847>>742719045people shit on the strive redesigns way too much when aba and elphelt both had insane glowups and are sexo as fuck now
>>742718982is this "what people think about your main" tier list?
Need Avatar Legends crack to practice combos for 100 hours
>>742719557you're a faggot
>>742718982What do Hakumen Bang and Platinum have in common
>>742719750for liking sexy bitches?
>>742719557No, aba’s redesign was awful. Should’ve at least kept the red hair. Elphelt’s xrd outfit and personality are way better too. But Aba absolutely not.
>>742719787>bitchesyou're not black
>>742719849disagree, the long green hair is way better to me>>742719872i'm not, no
>>742719557people also memoryhole shit like xrd sin
>>742718847>>742719045does she fuck the key
>>742719557Elphelt is a massive downgrade. The deal with her Xrd outfits is that they communicate a huge amount of information about the character and follow the classic Guilty Gear design philosophy of attaching a fashion style with a musical reference. The new outfit is just... streetwear. Which is the problem with a ton of the Strive designs in general.I'm actually okay with the ABA design though.
There's not a single strive design that's better than the old design
>>742720116the key was fully inside
>>742720648>no creampass
how hard is it to find someone who actually likes and wants to do random multi-hour(2-5hr) sessions in fighting games? i need it
>>742720698I'd rather grind ranked because I need a shiny new label always
>>742720698extremelyThe people who do long sets dont want to play with randoms
>>742720698This is my preferred way to play but my actual play hours are extremely inconsistent due to kids
>>742720698I used to do this but not with randoms, you need friends for that
>>742707473No way her boobs are that big
It's current year +11 and a motherfucker still can't get a decent fightpad for the playstation, for less than 200 eurobucks.I just want a good d-pad ffs. And learning that hori is on their 3rd iteration of the same fightpad and it still sucks shit is absolutely comical. Hori must be staffed by the stupidest cunts maginable, how can you make several fightpad and all of them have the worst d-pad in the industry.
>>742721152they got bigger after she had Ragna's kid
i just binge-watched S1 of mushoku tensei and the protag was playing GGX2
>>742721437Watch Genshiken from 2004 and they're playing Isuka or Reload.
>>742721193M30?
People says>"we need a fighting game for super casual"but there's already onepic relatedthere's just no audience overlap with regular fighting game players, but these sales very well, and they technically function like a fighting game
>the a.b.a vs dizzy fight in her +r story modethis is some insane bullshit
>>742722363>they technically function like a fighting gamehowso? (genuinely curious)
>>742706119Slime Flinger 6, of course.
You pick your main based on strategy and metaI pick my main by looking at a character in the selection screen and thinking "that guy looks cool"
>>742722751I pick whoever has cool looking combos.And that usually means I sacrifice a lot of neutral tools and instead just have a lot of combo fodder.
>>742720564disagree, every single redesign is an improvement, especially for total garbage like xrd sin and elphelt
>>742722751I feel like this is actually the most common way to pick a main
The most mentally ill thing I have ever seen the FGC engage in for several years is attacking Guilty Gear Syrive for being Strive. It has been 6 years, many hardcore games have been brought back from the dead thanks to rollback and even crazier shit like Art of Fighting R and Blazblue receiving updates. And if you care about GuiltyGear you have both AC+R and Rev2 with rollback. There is no reason for you to be this assblasted about Strive when you can go play the game you like.
Is their any "meme" fighting game that you love and still plays?
>>742722751the majority of people just pick a character they thing is cool/cute/sexy/funny without taking into consideration the meta at all. only sweats do otherwise
>>742722916I play plus r but im still gonna say strive sucks until it stops sucking. Doesn’t mean i can’t have an opinion on it.
>>742722916>attacking Guilty Gear Syrive for being Strive.sounds reasonable to me
>>742722751I think “uoh”
>>742722461Kek I just spammed instant kill until dizzy ran into it
>>742722952Phantom Break Omnia
>>742722952blazblue
>>742722952JJASBR and i would play it even more if it had rollback
>>742723094It was alright at the beginning before strive came out. But 6 years later youre still ass blasted?!?! You asshole is napping that much because of strive?!?!?
>>742723043>design upgrade>ChippHe swore off drugs after his crippling crack cocaine addiction but ends up getting addicted to test and dbol. His master must be rolling in his grave
>>742723459How the fuck does a character has a 9.92 rating, 9 is already really big, but this is almost a perfect rating, is that character genuinely broken?
>>742723464>current game that receives active support is the one that gets critically examined"Go play old games" is fucking retarded. People don't tell you to go play old action games or old RPGs if you have a problem with the current offerings and those are genres that aren't functionally hurt by age.
>>742723624he's basically playing his own game, he has just absurd zoning and damage. wonder of u is similar but he hasn't been as refined yet.
>>742722916kys
>>742723464>shitting on a game BEFORE it's out is alright but you can't shit on it after it releases???
raped genre
>>742723624Same reason you have S+SS-S+ literally means SS and S- literally means A tier but fighting game players are too retarded to point this out. Because even if you were to just use the S category it suggest that there is a -.5, 0, and +0.5 difference between the brackets. Yeah fighting game players are retards
>>742722363> and they technically function like a fighting gamethey dont.
>>742723703>>742723875Bro the difference here is that its been 6 years. 6 YEARS. 1 year? OK. 2 years? thats some rent free. But 6 YEARS?!?!?! thats just mental illness
>>742724037How is shitting on a game before you can play it fine, you haven't even played it yet
If you hated strive since it was revealed (or ehen the big news came out via Arc Revo 3 months after it was revealed) you have been hating strive for 7 years.What are you gonna go for your Anniversary in 3 years?
All it takes to fix strive is to bring back gatlings and buff air movement
>>742724037If Strive were dead for 6 years you'd have a point but the game is still receiving active support including a new title update, it still uses development resources, and it's still bringing back people's old mains and adjusting them beyond recognition. Robo Ky just came out the other day, of course there are going to be people complaining.
>dude time has passed so its fine that it raped a franchise people enjoyed
>>742724302Bro you can safely disregard any old Robo-Ky mains opinion, he's the fucking posterchild of people who drop like 5 hours at absolute best into the old games and consider themselves lifelong veterans.
>>742724232>How is shitting on a game before you can play it fine,Well since this is about Strive we all knew it was rebooting the gameplay by going into a more casual direction. Plus >>742724280 pro GuiltyGear players played the game at the ArcRevo tournament with only negative things to say about the game.
all current fighting game devs deserve the kyoani treatment desu.
Strive happened because nobody bought xrd
strive is the best current fighting game by a long shot and the only one where you can actually play neutral
In 6 years we went from Calamity Trigger being a game that was slow, casual and broken to Central Fiction that was a mainstay game brought back from the dead solely because it was so good... we need to return to overpriced annual releases.
>>742724541> pro GuiltyGear players played the game at the ArcRevo tournament with only negative things to say about the game.>my favorite e-celeb said it was bad so I will blindly parrot his opinion
>>742722916this is such a retarded disingenuous take, there is nothing wrong with people wanting continuations of games they like, strive is neither a continuation of +r, or xrd, or any guilty gear for that matter, it's practically a new ip with entirely different mechanics but with a guilty gear skin, literally is nothing the same but the names.
>>742724302But you dont even have an argument other than this >>742724483 you're not even upset with the current patch. You dont think the last patch was better than the previous patch. You aren't actively playing the game. No, you sitting on an argument from 6 YEARS AGO! That's the difference. When you talk about Strive you talk about shit you've been saying for 6 YEARS. That is mental illness.
>>742722952i love gameplay remix mods. Ultra Street Fighter 4 Remix, Street Fighter V Mysterious Mod, Granblue Rising Chaos, etc. those pitched are straight gas.
>>742724641The biggest lie Strive players tell is that Strive has a neutral game. Strive has the least fucking neutral of every goddamn fighting game getting support right now. You can watch any fucking top 8 and no decent players ever spend more than a 5th of a match in neutral.
>>742724758can you explain whats different other than the simplification? i've put time in all 3 games and this statement seems ludicrous to me
>>742724524ok but am i allowed to complain about venom being a shell of his former self
>>742722916People get off on putting other games down more than they do playing them. Strive is an especially easy target since it's unquestionably dumbed down from the premier larper game xrd which the same type of people love to gas up. These people don't care about strive or even what they're saying as much as you do. They're not actively even thinking about strive they're just reading off a script whenever they get reminded that strive exists.
>>742724294The gatlings change is good. I'm ambivalent on the airdash change. It makes the game more neutral heavy but less fun.Strives issue is while there are massively technical characters you can also get detonated by a shitter on Unika who spent a few minutes learning a basic combo.
>>742724758Read this you fake fucking fan >>742724591Now kys
>>742724838you haven't played or watched anything since the 2.0 patch i take it
https://x.com/TampaNeverSleep/status/2073963716882645036
>>742724816those *bitches are straight gas.
>>742724758Odd that SF totally gets a pass on this. It's also fairly amusing that this was literally the same tired argument I heard like a decade ago when xrd came out and they'd completely ruined every character boohoo.
>>742724842the combo system is entirely different, opting for a tekken style juggle system instead of previous games. they basically made ram's xrd combo structure an entire game. gatlings are neutered, magic series is a staple in anime games and people like being able to chain normals together for a combo, this has been a thing since dark stalkers. limiting them to the extent strive does it makes the game play entirely different. there is also literally no air game unless you are playing millia. i do not fucking understand how you seemingly played all of these games and can't tell the difference.
>>742724882>Strives issue is while there are massively technical characters you can also get detonated by a shitter on Unika who spent a few minutes learning a basic combo.This is every fighting game with strong+simple top tiers
>>742725018>Odd that SF totally gets a pass on this.yeah people love slime dash into overhead
>>742725018>Odd that SF totally gets a pass on thisi dont know why you are bringing up SF, i don't like sf so i rarely play sf. i like +r and xrd, xrd being #reload 2 doesn't make it any less guilty gear than +r, strive is basically something entirely new.
>>742725031>the combo system is entirely different, opting for a tekken style juggle system instead of previous games.>basically made ram's xrd combo structure an entire game. what the fuck am i reading
every new entry in every fighting game is completely different from the last one almost universally. the only time this wasn't true was blazblue and that was because they kept updating the same engine
>>742724920The second biggest lie Strive players tell is that no one fucking plays Strive when it's one of the most popular fighting games on the market and reached a massive audience. Everyone fucking played 2.0 because we all had the game already and they gained the massive PR boost of killing a mechanic no one liked which was unheard of in the scene. Then we all hopped up and realized, oh shit, the game is still fucking ass. Absolutely everyone knows Strive. We've had an onslaught of majors in the last few months. We all watched the fucking Evo 2026 top 8s and we all saw the absolute lack of neutral in it.I don't know what the fuck Strive players even think neutral is supposed to be. Your game isn't fucking MBTL where it massively changed over two years and everyone is still acting like shield is a god option. Every fucking anon in this thread knows Strive intimately.
hating on SF6 is mental illness, the game is 3 years old at this point
>>742724917i bought xrd twice man i have 1k+ hours on the game across different systems i think i can talk about xrd.
>>742725147How can you defend Xrd when it's totally a different game to +r? You move like you're stuck in molasses. All the fun shit is gone. They straight gutted Baiken. Where are my FUCKING FRCs NIGGER.
>>742725219can i watch some of your replays, whats your name in strive. i think you might think theres no neutral because you play like a retard so i'd be willing to help you out
>>742724483this but directed toward Street Fighter 6.
>>742725229are you trying to activate the fgg goons?
>>742724946GLORIOUS PLUS ARR HAS NO TRANNIES SAR
>>742725204nigga have you ever done a ram bnb in xrd, dauro puts your opponent in a unique juggle state that is similar to strive
doom looks pretty swaggy in tokon, he's going on the team
>>742725018>Odd that SF totally gets a pass on this.Every SF game was always different then the last. While Anime fighters were 10 year update plans. Melty Blood, Blazblue, GuiltyGear, Arcana Heart, and Under Night In-Birth they are all 10 year update plans using the same sprites. Thats the difference. Alpha doesnt use SF2 sprites. 3 doesnt use Alpha sprites. 4 doesnt use 3 sprites because 3d. 5 doesnt doesnt use 4 graphics because newer hardware. 6 doesn't use anything because it wants to be far away from SF5. But all anime fighters use the 10 year service plan
>>742725368yes xrd has launchersstrive has launchers+r also has launchers
>>742725258https://youtu.be/tuEtnAOwXqI because it's literally just #reload which is also a game i enjoy
>>742706024SNK would need a time machine to fix this kusoge.>The initial roster should've been 25 characters minimum>Don't add Ronaldo and that retarded DJ>Kim Jae Hoon should've been in the roster day 1 >Where the fuck was Freeman?>Rick Strowd, Blue Mary, Bob Wilson, Duck King and Li Xiangfei or someone related to her should be in the game day 1 (why didn't you add more Fatal Fury characters, dumb faggots)>Improve the graphics MASSIVELY, make it look like an actual comic book, make it look like as if it was Comix Zone was made in the modern day on steroids>Massively improve the soundtrack, this game has one of the weakest SNK soundtracks in recent memory, also has the most boring sounding geese howard themes when the KOF XV one sounded really great>It should've played like an actual SNK game instead of a Street Fighter rip-off, why are throws LP+LK instead of HP+Forward? Rev mode? Make it more simple like the first GarouSNK needs to lay off half their staff for incompetence. Dogshit company.
>>742725350you're giving me ideasHEY BARON FUCK YOU, YOU SUCK AND YOUR GAME IS GAY
I'm simply not buying Tokon if it keeps the PSN requirement. Sorry, but I'm just not gonna get it! Haha!
>>742725231The year is 2026. You're gonna have to post some proof. We know for a fact that 99% here did not play Xrd because no one ever ask for Xrd lobbies ever. So until you post your steam hours or your PSN year review youre not a Xrd player youre just a nigger who bought Rev2 for 5 dollars on sale
>>742725475the way +r and xrd does juggles are practically the same, the way strive does juggles are no where near the same as the other 2 games.
>>742725497Hmm yes a youtube link very nice. Here's one back?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CwFNFGSQV0Now politely; how can you have a GG game without FRCs?
>>742725615I ain't clicking that shit
>>742716539>>742714726ggs
>>742722363Bad example because MMA gamers hate the EA UFC games. Undisputed 3 remains the greatest MMA game of all time.
>>742725685I didn't expect you too. Twas baffling you just linked a youtube link at me. Hmm yes I'll totally click that.
>start a fight>act like they're the victims>blatantly lie about the game even though everyone can look up footage of it>change the goal posts fifty times>push the onus on everyone else to disprove your claims even though you started it>call them larpers for not going out of their way to share their info on fucking 4chan of all placesThis happens every fucking time Strivefags show up
>>742724946>Troon flagOf course.
>>742725608NTA but I have played all these games and literally have no clue what you're trying to say here bro.
>>742725754>I didn't expect you too.Tis a typo, good sire
>>742725608>Strive is just Xrd ram combos>actually Xrd is the same as +Rwhich one is it you dumb niggerthe only thing Strive lacks with juggles is character weights
>>742725762>larpers upset when someone calls them out for not actually knowing shit about what they're talking aboutleave the strive discussion for people who actually play fighting games
>>742725820>how are these games different from each other>combo structure is in strive is clearly different from previous entries in the series opting for a juggle system that is more affected by gravity than your typical anime style tech time>uhhhhh how are they different bro i dont know what youre talking about
When I played MMOs I would clock in around 3000 hours a year. Meanwhile games like AC+R have been on steam for over 10 years, received Rollback patch like 4 years ago now and BiggestGGFanEver only has 1000 hours at best? Something ain't right. You should have more than that.
>>742725891ram is a singular character in guilty gear xrd rev 2, she has a unique combo system that no other character in the game has. i think you can tell what the difference here.
>>742725701ggs.quick advice vs nero: if there's ever a snake nearby, do sweep>jc to not get meme'd. also don't ever back away from him cuz if he gets to breathe and summon the zoo, he wins.
>>742725926bro stop yapping about that schizo crap
>>742725607i mean like sure i just like xrd man
>>742726002>clock inbecause it's a job and not a game
>>742726101700 hours!?!? Thats it?!?! You dont seem like a xrd fan to me. Just a new player who got into xrd recently. And lied about having 1k hours across different systems lmao
old ggfags don't wanna play a fighting game, they just want to RPS you on their wakeup with DP/Ground Viper/Throw/Mash
>some guy tries to scam jwong out of a tournament win in some irrelevant evo retro side tournament by rigging the bracket and DQing him down to losers>jwong comes back from it all and whoops his ass in grand finals>he makes a video about how free he was>he then gets him banned from running retro side tournaments at another major because apparently he's been rigging tournaments for yearsbased shillmaster
>>742726246yes i have hours on playstation and hours on steam
>>742725926Are you talking about dust attacks in Xrd? The dial-a-combo thing? Legitimately struggling here. For regular stuff the air combos are different in older GG because you can air-gatling more freely, but they still follow the same basic math. Are you referring to the deletion of character weight?The tekken bit is confusing too; because all Tekken combos now follow the basic formula: Launcher > filler > screw > filler > ender. As far as I'm aware there is no screw in Strive.
>>742726290jwong is the kind of guy who would shill for fighting games even if he wasn't getting paid, he just seems naturally obsessed with them. i feel the same way about yipes
>>742726234Arcade Xrd Player would have a casual 20,000 matches on their Card in a single year. You arent a fan of GG. Youre slightly above a casual. Thats it
>>742726359and that's why he's based unlike goyjam
>>742726293Nice correcting yourself. You dont have 1K lying asshole. 700 hours is still casual. Sure you can beat up on /v/tards but you arent beating any pros
My hands hurt
Best neutral heavy game that never gets boring?
>>742726536strive
>>742724524There’s a Robo Ky I see in quick match with like 20000 games on him
>>7427265031k+ hours across multiple systems means 1k+ hours combined you absolute fucking retard, if i wanted to say i had 1k hours on both i would say i had 2k hours
>>742726363THE arcade xrd player? I kneel
>>742726536Grub pre rising
>>742724845Only if you won evo with Venom
>>742726768Not that I feel strongly about either game but in hindsight I really feel like there was no reason in the first place that Rising had to change the game flow so much from the original.
>>742726615Then you still a fucking casual fag and you dont have permission to speak. Rev2 release in what 2016? Nigger thats 10 years ago and you only have 1k total?! And you think thats a fucking accomplishment?! That means you didnt even play the fucking game until Rev2 rollback came out since you have more hours on steam than PSN. Its funny. Its like you dont even see how much of a filthy fucking casual you are. MarlinPie, RTW, etc was playing Rev2 streaming that shit on a regular basis BEFORE THE ROLLBACK PATCH. Youre not a fan, youre a hipster/tourist
>>742722565It's not exactly like a fighting game, as there's also a stamina system, but some elements do look a little like it. I think it started as a full sport game but they ended up slowly taking elements from fighting games over time, so now it's a bit of a hybrid.Instead of having some very different characters, there's an enormous roster who share most moves but have different stats/hitbox and a few unique moves to each fighters.The latest game also added an actual super mode for each characters, which has different properties depending on the character in addition to boosting them.Here's some high level online gameplay (ignore the guy talking)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7QQ3mJd1Ts>>742725726People says they "hate it" yet they sell like crazy. it's probably a vocal minority
>>742726353>As far as I'm aware there is no screw in Strive.There's varying hitstun juggles but I'm 90% sure they're only for the aestheticeg. Dizzy 2H does some kind of launch, Bedman 236H makes people on themselves a bit before they fall, Lucy's fully charged Monowire does a ground bounce into a full spinYou can just pick up from any of these without giving a shit what they do other than how high they launchThe exception is the rolling tumble, you have to use a move that hits low enough
>>742725018????SF6 is fucking terrible and raped the series even harder than soive raped GG you subhuman
>>742722916Not hating on strive is the same as endorsing strivification for your favorite game
>>742726902>People says they "hate it" yet they sell like crazy.NBA 2K sells like crazy but people hate it. When you have no other options you will buy what you are told to
people are saying robo-ky is really saucey, is it true? is he the savior of strive?
>>742727082Is SF6 actually bad or are you bad at it
>>742725018is someone seriously trying to make the claim that people aren't constantly complaining about SF6 what the fuck
>>742727105>When you have no other options you will buy what you are told toThat's sad
>>742723917Tiers like S+ or B+ are just FGfags trying to pretend like their games are more balanced than they actually areB tier on most modern tier lists is actually D tier
>>742727104Its been 6 years and nothing has changed. Mental illness.
>>742724801man you shiteaters are retarded.
>>742727175I guarantee I am better at fighters than you are and there are fighting games I'm infinitely worse at that I see as much superior games to SF6 you faggot coper.
>>742727324ok lets run the ft10 set then
>I can't wait to be good when (New game) comes out!
>>742726901i'm not gonna pretend i was playing xrd from the start nor have i ever said that but i bought the steam version in 2019 and i the playstation version before that, i played well before rollback.
>C'mon, C'mon!
>>742706024bad game because its too much like SF6.
>>742727137probably just the honeymoon period while people haven't figured out the optimal way to cycle electricity gauge and get max damage/best okihe's far from being the only character with open-ended combos, it's just this doesn't matter that much because whatever easy BNB you can find is gonna do just as much damage if not more
>>742723917>>742727206A lot of tiers are built on an agenda but there's practical reason for the classification a lot of the time. Like tiers derived from statistics or at least estimating win rates might see different levels of delineation between character viability where the game is imbalanced enough that there's a significant difference between S tier and A tier, then a similar difference between A tier and B tier, but within the S tier itself there are distinct but small enough power differences to necessitate separating them without making you think that the power jump between them is similar to A to B.Most modern tier lists have less tiers and bottom out at shit like B or C tier because most modern fighting games ARE better balanced than older ones. There's a conversation to be had that the balancing philosophy has gotten a lot worse or that there's less reason to play low tiers than ever, but typically they don't make straight up unplayable characters anymore or outright broken characters like they used to.
gg boomers seething about strive be like:nigga it has been 5 years already move on
>>742727363I'm never playing that shit again because I'm not retarded.
>>742727394Was the SNK heroine game an actual proper fighting game that people were scared to play or was it just meme?
>>742727490>because most modern fighting games ARE better balanced than older ones.Which is not at all represented in reality when you talk about the characters in low A/B tier which still dont appear in tournamentsand if they dont appear in tournaments it's because they are unplayably bad aka D tier or worse
I've literally never seen Dizzy or Lucy be played in a GG ST tournament
Strive is a very… Interesting. Game.
>>7427273732019 and only somewhere around 1K+ means you don't have the right to speak about Rev2. You have more rights than 99% of the anons here but you arent even close to Pro level. Now if you want to be a Journalist then say that. But you cant speak from a high level perspective with those tiny hours.
>>742727659This is the balancing philosophy discussion. Characters being homogenized is fucking terrible for character variety and far worse than characters actually being imbalanced. People used to play objectively shit tier characters because they were unique and had niche advantages like lopsided match ups or a relevant knowledge check, but these days characters who're certainly high tier like Juri barely see play at all since Mai is out there doing the same shit slightly better, with an almost identical match up spread but slightly improved.
>>742727137He's pretty fun, this guy is the best example I've seen of his stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLEmAnAhTIY
>>742727490What >>742727659 said. Took the words out of my mouth.
>>742727659i think this has to do with games being so homogenized now, sure on the surface characters seem more balanced, but i think tiny flaws become a lot more apparent in newer games because everything is so closely balanced, when before you could run your character specific bullshit to get by a lot more.
How are niche franchises like Guilty Gear and BlazBlue getting more attention than MK these days? Where did it go wrong?
>>742728227mk has been bad for a very long time now
>>742728227MK still sells more than both of them combined, it just has no staying power because its competitive scene is a joke
>>742728227MK is still the best selling fighting game this generation.It just has a completely detached audience and always had that.
modern fightan are boring. bring back funny setplay chars
>>742728227Mortal Kombat is a FOMO-Fighter. Although it may die faster than niche product it will still sale a billion more copies than those games.
>>742728227MK has never been a real fighting game franchise and it has never tried to be either. It exists in the space of AAA cinematic seasonal releases like God of War or Call of Duty where the goal is to do massive numbers then get replaced by the next hype title. And it does that job extremely well.The reason that it gets no attention now is that there isn't a new title. The moment there is one it'll sell like crazy again, get a month of discussion, then people will move on. It understands its place in the ecosystem.
>>742727734>DizzyPeluna made top 8 at Combo Breaker, also had won one TNS that was an AWT eventCriminally overlooked character because she has a few combo oddities you need to account for and she can't do dumb mixup on block into win the game>LucyI think she's genuinely mediocre and a big case of "just play Chipp/Millia"The positive bonus changes also almost kill her Quickhack super, she already didn't get HKD off of it and now she loses meterThere's been some players on and off her, but I can't think of a big Lucy player putting in the work to get results
>>742728335modern fighting games still has quite a bit of funny setplay characters, if anything zoners have gotten the short end of the stick for awhile outside of like happy chaos>inb4 jpjp's zoning literally adds nothing to how insane his normals are for neutral and how good his pressure is on block when he's close. he also has the best reversal in the game for some reason.
>>742727969nta but a character being "unplayably bad" because they don't appear (often) in tournament is a little extreme. Unplayably bad in my mind is like, most of the character's normals are barely functional, or they don't have an anti air. Of course especially as time goes on people are going to gravitate towards the best possible characters if they're playing for money. Even if (maybe especially if) the roster is pretty tight and the game is more of a system mechanics game people are going to pick the characters that are that are that 5% better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJwPOefYnoIThis video became 50000000x funnier when I realized it was arcade footage
>>742727620>i'm so much better than you bro >but i won't face you lmao /v/'s own dr b
Unironically how i fix the "OH FUCK I GOTTA GRIND COMBOS ONE MORE TIME" mentality because games like NuKoF or bbcf have long combos? Also fuck my life i keep autopiloting in to shitty combos instead
>>742728518What year were you born
>>742728580I think system mechanics games are a failed experiment. I think the idea is that leaning hard into them makes it easier to transition between characters so you can know a lot of a cast but honestly, who the fuck plays more than two or three characters if they're playing at a level where character selection even matterswe must return to character based games
>>742728821i mean i think uni does a pretty good job as a systems game while still having unique characters.
>>742728580if there's no justifiable reason to pick them then they are unplayable bad even if only technically speaking.
>>742728570>if anything zoners have gotten the short end of the stick for awhile outside of like happy chaosThe nerve to say this when Axl is really fucking good in 2.0I think Venom's zoning is also a bit slept on, but his setplay is also retarded good so you're shooting yourself in the foot if you're not going into his left/right mixups
>>742728890i haven't really looked at strive lately cause i was tired of top 1 pot and big bodies
people still talk about fighting balance like its 2002 and there are objectively terrible characters in current games. there aren't, at worst a character is simply outclassed. this isn't like back in the day where a bottom tier meant this character is actively terrible and doesn't function, that just doesn't happen anymore. you can find success with e honda in sf6, you could find success in cotw with dong hwan, hell you could find success with hugo in sf4
>>742728227Dedicated playerbase vs larger but super casual playerbase that moves on after watching the story and fatalitites
>>742728580I understand your THEORY. But... you can't argue against real data. If a character is deemed good but no one plays the character then they're not good and you will have to provide data to convince me that they actually are good.
>>742728964the root of the complaining is the homogenization, it creates a feeling of>why am i playing this character when other character does mostly the same thing but betterso it creates some resentment that festers.
>>742728964Look at Vatista in uni2. Highest effort for lowest reward and nigh unplayable against top tiers. Same with others but for different reasons, in strive and sf6 it ends up being a statcheck where some characters are just outright better and don’t let weaker characters play.
>>742728938Understandable, Pot is still as retarded btwThey did shoot Testament and Bridget's zoning for no fucking reason
>>742728964what was the last game to have an objectively terrible character that did not function properly? hsienko in mvc3?
>>742729136vatista has really dedicated players thoughbeit
>>742728964It's easier to justify picking a character like Bullet in BB than it is to pick Juri in SF6 even though Juri is theoretically stronger there's no reason to play as her because the top chars do what she does but betterWhereas Bullet has several shit tier unplayable level matchups but she also has some extremely good ones
>>742729215In uni2 Vatista’s gems literally don’t work even if she hits them on the same frame the opponent does
>>742728335 other FB games have thatArmchad is cucked until red garden or twomia
>>742729298Yes but even they can’t get results because you can’t just push through with skill in tournaments against good characters. It’s respectable they stick with her despite everything.
>>742729136>in strive and sf6 it ends up being a statcheck where some characters are just outright better and don’t let weaker characters play.SF6 had two Jamies and a Manon in top 16 at EvoStrive also had a Testament in top 24
>>742728890>Axlis he? I haven't followed the games but as far as I can tell his tools are still equally shit with subpar reward, no?
>>742729034NTA but data has to be interpreted. Like, this style of thinking for a long time led people to the conclusion that Blanka isn't a good character, MenaRD was simply such a good player that he was dominating on a mid to low tier. It's pretty safe to say at this point that Blanka is absolutely a top tier regardless of MenaRD being a talented player himself.Statistics based tiering seems like the best way to determine how good a character is at first but it makes a lot of assumptions about representation that can't always hold true in reality. Like an easy character can be massively overrepresented in play rate and win rate if everyone has them as a pocket for a match up which happens sometimes.
>>742729136>in strive and sf6 it ends up being a statcheckmodern fg's genuinely feel like this all the time and i hate it
>>742729419I mean effectively. Yeah you can technically get wins by the volatile nature of those games but getting to top 8 or 6 is almost impossible much less grand finals.
>>742729424axl is very good right now, there aren't really any super weak characters in strive currently outside of ABA and Testament and even then they can find success too.
Another thing is that maining a low tier has a higher reward now than ever because there is a real chance they buff your character and they become really good and since you've put the time in that gives you a big advantage
>>742729381>other FB games have thatNowhere near to that degree. There will never be something as terrifying as Nero putting down ex deer on wakeup
>>742729136Here's this dodger again
What am I supposed to do in SF6 against a guy that constantly spams jab in any interaction, particularly during my wakeups? In SFV I would walk back and crush counter him but that doesn't seem to work here. I'm aware this is a very noob question.
>>742729629the chances of this happening is less likely than devs nerfing top tiers in any meaningful way
Retvrn to kvsoge.
>>742729639>Nowhere near to that degree. There will never be something as terrifying as Nero putting down ex deer on wakeupidk this guy is pretty fucking annoying too
>>742729390Better than chaos players who all went extinct.
>>742729570ok but how? his weaknesses have always been that his defense was shit, the reward on his common confirms bad, fuckall corner carry and no pressure. as far as I can tell none of that has been resolved, so why do people rate him high?
>>742728335blanka is the funniest setplay character in modern fightan and everyone hates him....
>>742729741>nothing personal, kid
>>742729847I imagine no longer needing to charge Rensen and gaining the ability to actually do combos off of stray hits that don't require TK bombers to do damage was very useful to him.
>>742729136Nah fuck Vatista. Fuck B drill and fuck gems. I still remember when that little bitch couldn't be counterhit in the older versions. I hope she gets nerfed again.
>>742729424No White WA makes it super easy to play big bodies, and Pot can be hit low during Hammerfall (2P/2H)No WA in general makes it less risky for him to play midrange because tons of characters lost their long range combosHe can HKD from any hit with Snail, and because there's no WA it's harder for some characters to punish himHis buttons are still great, he still has the stanky leg 2K that's 5f, and his combos were left mostly untouchedTornado mid/fullscreen now travels forwards fast, making it a big fuck you wallWinter Mantis was changed from Command Grab to a Low. This is a big buff for two reasons. First is, you can't RC throws anymore, so it would have been terrible. The second one is it guard crushes, so this gives him a literal throw loop on offense.>>742729570ABA isn't that weak, her players just can't handle not getting to play like a rabid dog with no consequencesTestament isn't "awful" but you're now stuck only zoning, and it's high risk/low rewardBridget is terrible, you're playing a diet version of Millia without any rewards on anything
Anyone up for Fightcade/Soku/Blazblue/Slippi or anything that is easily set up?
>>742730030getting hit by b-drill is a genuine skill issue with the amount of partition fuckery the vat has to do to even have it reliably be a mixup without vorpal
>>742729629tell that to LordKnight playing Baiken for like 2 years now hoping she gets buffed while Niggariyuki and Leo are top tier for the entire game's lifespan other than 5 seconds
>>742730252Man Strive isn't even as bad as SF6 in this regard. Has anything changed about tiers on any character from their release except for Ken and Luke falling off?
>>742727631It was a party gameNo hit level, objects appear, can't kill without a super etc
>>742730030Don't bother, anon. This guy on Vatista admits he's bad and he always dodges rooms.
>>742730059>throw loop on offenseWM is like 50f or so up close. Does he do it as oki?
>>742730030>fuck VatistaMaybe I will.
>>742726290That's some next level pettiness from both parties.
These are the top 10 best reviewed fighting games on Steam. Do you agree with this list?
>>742730850is idol showdown even a real fighter
>>742730528Yeah, ground throw is +41f, Winter Mantis hits at 46f point blank, with the distance from the throw I think it hits on the 3rd frame after their wakeup?The negative is it's extremely telegraphed, so you can DP Apparently you can also do cS OTG > WM and this spaces you out of some reversals, but then there are some that are extremely long like Dizzy's superThat said, non-overdrive reversals now do no damage and give no oki. So if you get hit, they're only like +7 and midscreen spaced, which Axl doesn't mind
>>742730896the very early versions were a fun kusoge. idk how it developed from there.
>>742730896It's a legitimate, competently made 2d fighting game if that's what you're asking. If you're wondering if it's good or not that's subjective, but I'd say it's so highly well reviewed mainly because it caters to the v-tuber audience and it released for free.
>>742730850cyberpunk 2077 sold more than all those combined
>>742731338And Mcdonalds sold the most burgers ever.
>>742730850Pretty much all games that get pity likes due to simply rollback but never developed a serious enough scene to warrant serious criticism.
>>742731418McDonalds is not that bad. Stop being American.
>>742730993yeah I checked up on that and you can just backdash that fake shit on reaction.idk it just feels like people are bullshitting in claiming that a char with good neutral but no snowballing wins in the snowballing game.>>742730014Rensen was never a neutral tool (at least in ST). The only real advantage of motion input is making 6K bombos easy.
Opinion on Fighting Layer? the permanent 0.99 price is tempting for a cool game to play with friends for cheap
>>742731565>yeah I checked up on that and you can just backdash that fake shit on reaction.I think this depends on the characterYou could also delay it by a couple frames and now the timing to backdash it becomes a lot more annoying >idk it just feels like people are bullshitting in claiming that a char with good neutral but no snowballing wins in the snowballing game.Nothing's stopping you from running strike/throw or BRC high/low after Snail HKD
I found recently found cyberbot in an arcade of all things and it was quite fun even if completely unbalanced and not very complex
>>742731608gotta get used to the old skool feeling and gougi retardation, once you do it's pretty fun
Just bought UNI2Anything I should know if I want to main Hilda
>>742729674does anyone play fighting games here
I don't know what to play now that the Avatar beta is over. I wasn't on any particular game right before it.
>>742732457Prepare to button hold to finish your combosDo mission mode to get an idea of what to expect with her
>>742732597I bought rumble fish 2 to fuck around with personally
I'm so glad we have fighting games threads on /v/ top avoid all the bullshit from /fgg/. OH N-
SF6 bad game
>>742732931larper tourist
>>742732008Snail HKD doesn't give him any oki beyond Rensen memes (unless there's some shit idk). And his stagger pressure is just shit so he can't really enforce the throw.
>>742733042meds
>>742732457she's not a real negative edge char.
