yep, books > video steven ogg (trevor) confirms it
Steven Ogg is more insufferable than Trevor
You know, he's kinda based for making OP seethe this hard about him to the point of making multiple threads about this daily.
Agreed. For all you gamers ready to graduate, I recommend The Great Gatsby to start.
>>743084668his loss, I'm doing both with no issues
>>743084771It's funny because it's just a casual harmless comment. He's a voice actor who isn't that into video games, big deal.
>>743084668lol pretentious as hell for no reason. like nobody ever liked books and video games simultaneously. always loved this guy's hair though, refreshing to see in a world of "bald with a beards" everywhere.
I don’t like sex. I prefer books.
>>743084668Let the man enjoy his hobby.
>>743084881>like nobody ever liked books and video games simultaneouslyDid he even imply that? I think he's just saying he's into books for entertainment and not interested in games much. It's not pretentious really, people are just reading too much into it.
what’s there to read on current day booktok besides written porn?
>>743084668He hates Rockstar, they scammed him. The game made billions and they gave him nothing extra at all. All the money he made later was from fan shows etc, nothing from them.
>>743084910wow committing the sins of pride and vanity hes definitely going to hell
>mfw he doesn't read books
>>743084961I guess not, but historically, people who do a lot of reading tend to sneer at people who play games. there's a perception that games are "low culture", which is a type of distinction i've always found pseudish and gay.
>>743085208Yeah you're right about that, and I've never liked it either.
>>743084668I mean he ain’t wrong. Videogames are the non-thinking man’s books.
>>743085208>there's a perception that games are "low culture"They are. I enjoy videogames, but they are just toys really.
people jump on him, but I sympathies with him. I have my fair share of insecurity and been at the inferiority complex masked as superiority hill myself.I know the guy is suffering, probably because he's attached to the image in his mind where he's a popular and respected hollywood main actor, which clashes with the reality of being a 1 episode character actor with that one role in a popular videogame which still didnt slingshot him to the majorleagues. so I get it, and I hope he finds peace, I wish him all the best
>>743084668>man who does voices in a game for a heavy pay doesnt like video games>I somehow take that as a personal attack on the hobby/passtime
>>743085208Pseudish is not a word and the context is used incorrectly here even as a colloquialism. You would know this if you were a reader and not a degenerate video game player. One hobby benefits you, the other does not.
>>743085208Treating media as a competition is just stupid. There's no inherent difference in quality between playing a game, reading a book, watching a movie, listening to a record or going to the fucking opera. It's all just things you do to entertain yourself. There are differences in quality between individual works, obviously, but none inherent to the medium.
>>743084819the big deal is that he's an obnoxious faggot. if he didn't care he wouldn't make such a show of it
>>743084668Why is his attitude making headlines again? This was already discussed to death over 10 years ago
name ten books
>>743086502all of them
Steven Ogg Derangement Syndrome = SODS
>>743085528Most just don't make it in Hollywood, especially since movies are down in the dumps in terms of ticket sales and TV is almost dead because of cord cutters.
look mom I posted it again
Separated at birth?
>DOOD redditoevsky
>>743087291I haven't read a book since middle school (yes, I only read summaries for hs/college)Maybe one day I will LOL
He will always be Trevor until he finishes all Lotr books
>>743084791I love you.
>>743084668>Get pestered by Latinx mulatto mutts daily>They take offense that you can read
>>743084791I hated this book. I think it may be my meast liked book that I've ever completed.
>>743085968>There's no inherent difference in quality between playing a game, reading a book, watching a movie, listening to a record or going to the fucking operaOh there most certainly is. In terms of brain activity playing videogames is a rather shallow activity, mostly concerning visuospatial processing and motor coordination. Reading on the other hand is a far more cognitively engaging activity, language, decoding text, visualisation, mental imagery of scenes and characters. Listening to music is also known to be a uniquely engaging activity for the brain, and yes, classical music is better than pop slop. But if we're just talking about fun, then sure, to each their own. A cat can chase piece of string for hours on end, happy as can be. But make no mistake, videogames are an intellectually inferior activity.
>>743084668So why'd he do GTA5?
>>743087794Cash money, getting the bag, you know, working.
>>743084771OP's thing is not seething but that's it attracts replies.t. (You) addict
>>743087778I should add that playing videogames is not an intellectual activity at all, it's play. Play is a good thing, there's nothing wrong with it, but it is just play.
>>743084668If he just casually embraced GTA people would've moved on. Sorta like Keanu and Cyberpunk.
>>743085968It doesn't need to be a competition, but pretending like the player agency aspect of video games doesn't make them fundamentally different from every other thing you listed is absurd. Playing a video game could mean MGS4 or Tetris, and one of those two is mentally and physically engaging for the person playing it the entire time, and the other is a Metal Gear Solid game.
>>743084771>>743084668Just wait until OP learns how Ron Perlman(War never changes man) thinks even less of video games than Steve Ogg
>>743088042I had no idea Ron Perlman was so based!
>>743087778>playing videogames is a rather shallow activityMaybe if you only play something like braindead gatcha shit.Building a giant base with your buds in a game like Factorio is a million times more intellectually stimulating than any literary fiction you could ever read. Not to mention it requires active communication and coordination (another very important form of mental stimulation) that no book can ever provide. Basically you're a pretentious faggot. Go back to your dead board.
I saw the Irish guy from RDR2 at comicon, nobody came to get his autograph or whatever so they brought him a ps4 with the game to play. He looked bored to tears.
ima use AI to make Trevor videos and monetize them
>>743088172Once could argue that picrel is an intellectually stimulating game as well.
They should put Franklin and Michael's actor in GTA6 hehe
>>743087449BAHAHAHAHAHA...MEAST? BAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
>>743088042Ron lost his perls man>lil donnie
>>743086087He's not making a show of it, he answered a question which the obnoxious faggot OP (you, probably) insists on throwing multiple tantrums over
>>743084668Bookfags are some of the most obnoxious faggots in existence. They literally think they're better than you because they read some romance/crime/fantasy slop. Basically the vegans of entertainment. In reality, they just cope because they have no skills for an actual hobby. Reading books is something you do in school when there's nothing better to do and you have too much free time. That's more than enough years to read all the worthwhile classics, since 99% of fictional books are complete slop anyway.
>>743088554>That's more than enough years to read all the worthwhile classicsList now, LARPer
>>743088286Oh wow such a compelling argument. Did you read it from a book? :^)
>>743088621The Cask of Amontillado
>>743084819I think you're forgetting the wider that context that he's made it very clear that he absolutely hates his legacy as Trevor and GTA fans in general, to the point where he makes fun of them whenever he pays them to do Cameos. This is a little mini-controversy that's been going on for years
>>743088406>meet perlman at event>aggressively shakes my hand>cant help but think of memes>wash my hands>he shakes my hand againHe smelled weird too
>>743084668whats the deal with you shizo who posts this garbage thread mutiple times every single day, what do you get out of it you retard, take ur fucking meds
>>743088554>They literally think they're better than youYes
>>743088641I accept your concession.
>>743084668Wasn't this the guy who openly said multiple times that he fucking hated GTA, the fans, Rockstar and Trevor? Not like this is unusual or anything, I think the majority of the actors rockstar got to dub the games ended up hating everything related to the production
I wonder what Claude's VA thinks about the GTA games
>>743084668its funny how he incidentally is acting like trevor with his need to act like he is better than gamers and being oh so embarassed in being in a big vidya game because he thinks being a movie/television actor is so much higher art than being in videogames
>>743087778>visualisation, mental imagery of scenes and characters.You know you can do those things with your brain without passively consuming some else's text, right? A 16 year old drawing his furry OC experiences more brain activity than when you read your gay little novel lol.
>>743088920>he thinks being a movie/television actor is so much higher art than being in videogamesIt is.
>>743088917...
>>743088925Yes drawing is also a more engaging activity than playing videogames. Playing an instrument is more engaging than listening to music.
>>743084668yeah keep making this threadthis is such a great thread to post every single dayremember to post it again tomorrow
>>743088937no they are not, Romans were right about actors being on the same level as prostitutes and slaves
By "book" do normalcattle mean novels or are history/instructional books also approved? My recent favorite books. Video games, music and drawing are superior pastimes to consooming stories btw.
>>743088920To be fair, he was paid peanuts while Rockstar made billions, and he doesn't have royalties either, all he got from this role were subhuman video game fans and schizos who think a retard like Trevor is cool.
>>743088871You bookfags are so eloquent and articulate. Totally worth the thousand of hours wasted on your shit hobby.
>>743088937it's both simple entertainment for the masses
>>743084668Somebody should do this with him, instead of bugging him with GTA, bug him with books.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0rcy36xCU
>>743084668I would prefer books too if the games I were playing was GTAslop
>>743089076>You bookfags are so eloquent and articulateThank you. >Totally worth the thousand of hours wasted on your shit hobby.In what way have videogames benefitted you, for example intellectually, spiritually or perhaps physically? Do tell.
>>743085085Bro I have the same head shape as waltuh. Glad I'm not bald so I can mask it a bit. That's because my parents let me lay on my back as a kid, right?
>>743089068They almost always exclusively refer to novelslop like Harry Dresden. Books containing actual real life information and knowledge are based but people who claim to be "book readers" almost never touch those because non-fiction is beyond their intellectual capacity.
>>743089178I'm asked to find missing things by everyone in my life, from big shit to small shit, and I find it almost immediately upon looking around every single time. The reason I'm so much better than everyone in my life at finding shit is I played more I Spy type books/video games than you can possibly imagine when I was a kid, and video games aside from that taught me the value of thorough investigation into every prospective/possible location when you're looking for something you need to find or locate; it works just as well as a method for getting through video games when you're lost or don't know where to go as it helps you in real life in the same exact circumstances.
>>743089178City builders taught me basic concepts in city planning and urban design - just a small example off the top of my head. Simulation games can teach you a lot about actual real world systems and machines. I'm currently studying for my PPL after spending years of playing flight sims. Video games are also a great social medium and helped me make a lot of friends and connections through the years. Simply by playing PC games you can learn a lot about tech too. Even 10 year old kids learn how to make games and code through shit like roblox. Vidya gets people into gamedev which requires to learn a whole plethora of skills such as art, music, writing and programming (sometimes involving heavy math). You could argue some indie devs are modern day polymaths. >physicallyWhat the fuck are you even on about nigger? Now tell me, what have all those years wasted consuming non-interactive linear fiction taught you? Did you at least acquire writing as as skill?
>>743090059>Did you at least acquire writing as as skill?As a matter of fact I used to work as a copywriter. Now I don't say that with any pride and it's not a job I think highly of. This was in the days of yore before AI became a common tool, I can only imagine it's several times more braindead now than it was then.
>>743084668What's ironic is that only a few decades ago people who read too many books, especially grown men, were viewed and portrayed as basically the equivalent of how modern gamer manchildren are seen by society - socially awkward shut-ins, who refuse to grow up and live in the real world, too addicted to their hobby, etc. Which makes sense, since books were pretty much the only form of entertainment back then.NeverEnding Story was about a kid who gets bullied for reading too many books and on top of that is being reprimanded by his school and parents. There's an episode from the 60s Twilight Zone about a book obsessed man who is ridiculed by his colleagues and family, telling him that his hobby is childish and that he needs to grow up and start acting like a real man.
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>>743091743>waste your youth playing silly games>can't read, can't write, can't get a job, can't get laidSad, many such cases.
>>743084668real man read books
>>743091963I just watched the cartoon.
>>743085362Not really
>>743091963>I read about what someone else thought I'm so smartReal men experience the real world first hand, everything else is just for when you're bored
>>743091963books are for stupid people
Bookfags the moment you ask them to elaborate why Dostoevsky is good:...They are just pretentious larpers
>>743092126100% convinced that this retard got astroturfed by government agencies theres really no way he got popular on his own
>>743092215gamefags when you ask them to elaborate why old game good:>uhhhh..... MUH SOVL!
>>743092064>bro just ignore millennia of experience and wisdom from the brightest minds of our species
>>743084668"feels nothing" means he hasn't been paid for GTA 6. I'm sure he'll sing a completely different tune, once he's pocketed a hefty sum, kek
>>743091963Reading books is one of the most quintessential women hobbies. I only ever listen to audiobooks on long drives. Why the hell would I sit down and read a book when I could do literally anything else?
>>743092273I'm surprised /v/ is that high.
>>743092258Both are larpers
>>743092318He's been doing more fan tours amd collabs with the other VAs. They probably offered him some more future online shit in gta 6 or something
>>743091743This will ironically probably make kids resent books less. I know I do because of all these retarded long ass summer reading lists and and all the bullshit they made us read in school.
>>743092273>"millions of books read and written, yet no real life use found">"wanted to know about the past for a laugh? We had a book for that. It's called the bible"
>>743085085>same hairline as SteveMaybe I should grow a mustache too.
>>743092449What school did you go to? If you werent in advanced English you wouldnt even read a full play, just a shortened version of it then you'd watch the movie. Theres a reason why our literacy rates have gotten so bad
>>743092223It was pushed by muslin retards and eventually made it's way into more normie spaces.
>>743092449It's better to read something you like than it is to read something challenging when it comes to starting out as a reader, but early childhood education reverses that entirely. It provides children with challenge before properly enticing them with why the challenge is worth taking on in the first place. If the kids don't care, they aren't going to actually learn.
Nobody unironically reads books in 2026. Fuck off.
>>743092560Eastern yrop. Summer reading lists were practically impossible to complete unless you spend your whole vacation reading them. There were like 10-15 titles each year even in grades 1-4. And most are actual full novels, not just some short stories. We had to read the bible in grade 10, and I wasn’t even in a christian school.
>>743084668Wonder if he reads Animorphs or Harry Potter.
>>743091743>it's good because it has more hours of readtime
>>743088554i like text as a medium to tell stories and read books occasionally, but people who seem to treat fiction as some sort of gospel that might as well be real stories are irritating. books are just as bad as any other medium with portraying people unrealistically and being overtly dramatic and fake but if they're written with complicated enough words some idiot will think it's totally like a real person doing real stuff.
>>743092839>pic relatedI posted >>743088014 and >>743089404; I'm reading this completely obscure book because it appeals to my specific interest in modern day piracy. It was removed from my local library years ago because no one ever checked it out, and the author never wrote another book after it. He did make a few documentaries though. It's a shame though, because he's a good writer.
>>743092273And how and when was this "research" exactly conducted? I don't remember there ever being such a thing on any board.How do you get the data to accurately measure the IQ of practically dead boards like /out/ which get less than 100 posts a day and probably have like 5 active users? What discussion happens exactly on boards that are explicitly for for sharing content that like /w/?The text in the corner literally says nothing of significance in therms of that, just "trust the sceince bro". This whole thing seems like elaborate bait.
>>743084791>Not Brazil I guess you have to start out slowly if it's your first time
I got into reading a few years ago and really enjoy it. I highly recommend everyone here to take it up too. Non fiction, fiction, poetry whatever interests you. It doesn't have to be fancy high literature but it's probably best you avoid the slop, same as choosing a video game to play.
>>743092273>>743092363/v/ has developed several games and has constant threads about gamedev. How many books has /lit/ written?
>>743093915Non-fiction is the only valid form of literature.
>>743094063>How many books has /lit/ written?Dozens
>>743094114What non fiction do you read? I got really into comparative mythologies which branched into comparative theology works and then the texts of most major religions. But ancient mythology particularly Greek is always my favorite
>>743094063/v/ didn't develop shit because all the projects started here eventually distanced themselves or were taken by other boards, you are taking credentials for things that you didn't accomplish (a bunch of online random retards will never accomplish anything that requires collective efffort for obvious reasons)
>>74309406312many
>>743093915>mfw
>>743094210>non-fiction>mythology and theology
>>743084668you know what still has physical release? books. you know what doesn't? video games. checkmate /v/irgins
>>743084668I have a confession.I could not finish Ulysses. I tried to at least finish the first chapter a dozen times and every time was pure torment.
>>743094515You think that's bad? I actually DID finish Insomnia by Stephen King and it was the worst book I've ever committed to finishing. I learned my lesson after that and just drop books that prove themselves not to be worth the time early on.
>>743094380>ancient myths are non-fiction
>>743084668wonder how much money he made reading books compared to playing a degenrate in a game
>>743094210I like history books but sometimes it's hard to find good ones since many non-fiction books intended for mass consumption tend to contain a lot of unnecessary fluff that the author just added for padding which annoys me. I used to like pop science books as a kid but dropped them for that exact reason. Idgaf about some professor's academic biography. I also consume a lot of technical documentation, textbooks, scientific publications and DIY shit, but those usually come out of necessity from projects that I'm working on. I am also kinda interested in theology and religion history so I read religious texts too sometimes. But idk if that's classified as non-fiction.
>>743094398lmfao bodied that freak
>>743094739He made money acting, not playing videogames, thoughbeit.
>>743085297what if i read books AND play gamesstumped both you and him there huh?
>>743094515>>743094658For me it was Steppenwolf and Anne Frank. Most torturous books I've read. At least Steppenwolf taught me how pathetic it is to be a sad whiny miserable bitch all the time and that I should try to have a more positive outlook on life in general. I absolutely hated the protagonist and thought to myself "damn, i definitely dont want to end up as this cunt".
>>743094658>Insomnia by Stephen KingWas it about something supernatural happening in the town of maine and one of the characters is a (recovering) alcoholic?
>>743094851Well good for you. There's nothing WRONG with playing videogames, but it's infantile to pretend like it's anything more substantial than playtime. You're playing a game, it's no different than kicking a ball around or playing hide and seek.
>>743095052Yeah, but it sucked asshole this time because it was painfully drawn out. If it were a tighter story it could have been something interesting. Instead it's a big pile of meandering shit.
>>743084668he's just salty he isn't included in GTA 6 even as a cameo
>>743095052It's Dark Tower Gaiden
>>743084668>Steven "Cartoon" Ogg threadoh yeah it's kino time
>>743084791Great Gatsby is shit, Moby-Dick mogs it hard.
>>743089220Same here, i think the term is Brachycephaly.(exaggerated example)
>OggWhy is this nigga named after a file format
>>743097570Should rename himself to steven.ogg
When someone says that books are their thing, they could actually be talking about anything at all. Reading fiction and nonfiction, for example, are two completely different things. When it comes to nonfiction, you'll find everything from a woman reading books on how to care for babies to a deluded guy reading business self-help books because he thinks he needs them to become a master of management.So, saying "books is my thing" is like saying "Watching TV is my thing" or "Surfing the internet is my thing". This says ZERO about your habits and is usually something someone says to try to sound smarter than they really are.
>>743088716And? Aren't you guys happy for that? I thought the hi/v/emind hated trevor, so the VA hating him should be good news, right?
>>743084668>steven oggI keep clicking but the file won't play
>>743095084It depends on the game
>>743084668Books are dogshit. Feminisation ruined literature. >Men are interested in things>Women are interested in peopleWe are literally hardwired like that. And books just became "muh feelings" slop even in genres where they're not supposed to be. If I'm reading a sci fi novel I wanna read about cool concepts that I never even thought about before. Not about the relationship between the main character and his love interest or his complicating relationship with his family.
>>743101151It really doesn’t. If you think engaging with videogames is anything more than simple playtime, it is a sign you live an empty life. It’s like chatting with an onlyfans girl and thinking she loves you.
>>743101323Incel take.
>If you think engaging with videogames is anything more than simple playtime, it is a sign you live an empty life.As opposed to the fulfilling life of the person who specifically seeks out the video game board on an anonymous backwater forum to type all this out.
>>743101931I’d put posting on 4chan in the same category as videogames: play, something you do because it’s fun or relaxing, where the process is the important part, rather than something serious which yields anything tangible where the result is important.
>nobody out here talking about how cartoons
>>743102359How cartoons what?
>>743102359...bro???
And audiobooks in .ogg are the true patrician's choice!
>>743101534https://youtu.be/1GsDZ4MMvw0
Boy do wrong people get accidental success.
>>743102464IM GONNA RIP OFF YOUR HEAD AND SHIT DOWN YOUR THROAT
>>743084791I've been reading The Grapes of Wrath.
makes sense. books are objectively better than any other form of media. whats the problem?
>>743102528>human relationships are feminism!holy incel
>>743102528Thank you for proving my point. Also:>millennia worth of literature to read>”noooo it’s le feminism!!!”
>>743102783Hang yourself and livestream it tranny.>Arguing in bad faith, the bread and butter of a bluesky trannoid engaging in his tranny activism on 4chan the "own le incels"You are a parody of a human being.
>DUDE LOOK AT ME I CAN READ XD XD XD
>>743084791I just finished reading Shogun. Started watching the show to see if it was any good. It is not. And not just because "wah wah they didn't adapt the book 1:1".
>>743103083>You are a parody of a human being.holy projection
The only books I've read this year were The Brothers Karamazov and Flowers for Algernon. I think I'm going to read either The Crossing or Antkind next. I really want to read Antkind but I feel like I should watch Anomalisa first because it's the only Charlie Kaufman feature film I haven't seen.
>>743084791I'm reading The Aeneid currently
>>743102783Have fun tranny.Something that a lot of people noticed in the past 2 decades is an "incel take" according to you. You should be executed with a pickaxe and pissed on.https://youtu.be/JeGUmjZKEuM
>>743092223>theres really no way he got popular on his ownWhy wouldn't he? He fills a niche.
>>743103221Yeah you have zero arguments you just respond in buzzwords like a true trannoid.>YOU ARE PROJECTING XDDDIs the peak argument of a 14 year old girl that doesnt know how to argue so she just flips it around and hopes for the best.
>>743103083It seems your jimmies are quite thoroughly rustled
>>743103221Projection is the midwit's way of saying "NO U!"
>>743103083>responds to post with video about muh feminism for seemingly no reason >completely loses his mind and starts screeching about tranniesat what point were you arguing in "good faith"? doesnt this make you the tranny?
>>743103350no its a way of pointing out the irony of calling someone a parody while losing your mind about trannies and feminism unprovoked
what is it with midwits bragging about reading books? like cool you can read, you can perform a basic human function ...
>>743103294>Yeah you have zero arguments you just respond in buzzwords...yuean like completely losin your cool and screeching about tranies and muh feminism instead of posting an argument?once again, this is literal dictionary definition projection, you are acusing other people of what you are doing. you are arguing in bad faith,you are screeching and throwing around meaningless buzz words because you have no argument. enyou are doing this, while accusing others of doing it, this is called projection. it not a buzz word, its a textbook example of proper use of the English lexicon
>>743103442No, it's literally just "no u" with 1 more syllable to appear like you're making an argument. Just say "no u" and don't try to look like you're smarter than you are.
>>743103468It's cause they have no other interests or actual skills so they turn consuming media in their entire personality.
>>743103468People think that reading itself is some incredibly intellectually noble pursuit. It's ironic because most of the shit most people read is absolute trash. Women read significantly more than men, for instance, yet all they read is "romance" novels where the 6'5" vampire CEO billionaire softcore rapes the main character. And his name is "Antonious" or "Ryle" or some bullshit name.
>>743101478And what is there about reading books that makes it anything more than simple recreation?
>>743084668WHAAAAT???MR. GTA DOESN'T LIKE GTA??THIS IS HUGE NEWS. GTA CONFIRMED FOR FLOP!!
>>743103468The discussion is about how you spend your time: doing something valuable (reading) or playing games. You would understand that if you would read a book once in a while.
>>743103601its not though
>>743084668old books are interesting for being the closest you can get to experiencing the past by the hand of someone who actually lived it. to read 2000 year old thoughts from a roman emperor is pretty insane. otherwise most books are overrated
By books he means anime styled visual novels
>>743103727Depends entirely on what you read. But recreation and play are not the same thing. Anything can be recreational, it depends on the person.
>>743088415go back steven
>>743103778yeah bro consuming the latest minotaur milking literature sure is productive and valuable
>>743103689Even more ironic that in my experience, the people who've read the most books are some of the dumbest mfs I know. I knew a guy in school who has probably read more books than anyone else ITT. Like he would read a new book every week and has 100s of them on his shelves. But it wall all fantasy, sci-fi and terry pratchet slop. Now he works at a postal warehouse as a package sorter.
>>743102423>>743102432he called GTA V a cartoon
>>743103994It kinda do be like that tho
>>743103953Playing games is a recreational activity
>>743104153I never said it wasn’t. Play is recreational by definition.
>>743103468It's like 90s boomers bragging about how they completed unforgiving video games without much hand holding or step-by-step video guides to help them out when they were kids. It might sound totally normal and unimpressive to you if you're also a boomer gamer but that would be too big of an ask for modern gamers. You won't believe how many zoomers can't even read these days, either. As a zoomer myself I can't imagine doing my reports only using books in the library
Objectively superior "updated my journal"-core and you fags can't refute it because you don't read.Anyway, I can only think of Planescape Torment and Memento in this genre, is there anything else that does it well
>>743084668I think the last actual book I ever read all the way to the end was The Giver back in middle-school. I don't like books, they use too many words. Why write about how blue the curtain are when you can just show me the fucking things?
