In its pursuit of good user experience, this platform became outright hostile to developers.
good
Boo hoo nigga
thank god
>>744063339Not my problem.
>>744063339>in pursuit of good, this platform did something goodAight, coo. Sounds tight.
>someone is giving the faggots at commiefornia that try to nickle and dime you with woke slop a hard timeGood.
>In its pursuit of social justice and democracy, this country became outright hostile to billionaires.
How so? Is this another "WAAAAAH WHY WON'T THEY PROMOTE MY GAME FOR ME"?
GoodFuck developersGive me a good game or die
>>744063550Who do you think makes the games?
>>744063595Trannies, mostly
>no revenue at all until you pass an arbitrary threshold>they take a monstrous 30% cut, but 100% of refund processing is on you>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislike (you have no control over it)>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etc>your visibility is treated equally with literal sweatshop match3 spam games, of which there are 50-60 released dailyYep, it's a hellscape.
Good.
apple has already proven developers are scum that need to be forced hardhandedly to actually get their shit togetherif they had their way, theyd crap out a half baked product and never update or fix it again while collecting $$$ the big publishers are already doing this right now because they can get away with it, now imagine if every indieslop game could do this too without any serious scrutinyif anything valve should do more and proactively remove broken or dead multiplayer games from the storefront until the developer fixes the game
so everyone responding "good" are you...?A) a third world shill hired by ValveB) a third worlder who makes a living from the Steam community marketC) a third worlder who idolizes billionaires because of a subhuman IQ levelD) just an asshole
>>744063674all platforms take 30% which is a whole lot lower than what used to be the 50% of retail
>>744063339good
>>744063674>they take a monstrous 30% cutYou mean tiny. 30% is nothing.
>>744063927you shills always run this script but when asked to present another self-serve PC store that has such a high cut your only answer is not a self-serve PC store at all
>>744063339Don't care, I'm the customer, I'm the only one that matters in this exchange.
>>744063997then make your own game
>>744063674>no revenue at all until you pass an arbitrary thresholdIt's pretty low and exists because lower amounts of money literally don't make financial sense to transfer. Good games have no issue hitting the threshold.>they take a monstrous 30% cutAlso known as the industry standard.>but 100% of refund processing is on you What? Valve handles it. I'm pretty sure the money doesn't even get sent until the refund window has passed specifically to make it easier for the devs.>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislike (you have no control over it)What's the harm with people filtering out games they don't like? If you make an RTS, someone who filters out RTS games because he doesn't like them was never going to buy it anyway.>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etc Based.>your visibility is treated equally with literal sweatshop match3 spam games, of which there are 50-60 released daily If you can't stand out in a sea of slop, your game is slop.
>>744063883All of the above. fuck you. You want my money? Earn it
>>744063980if i said apple app store you would whine and bicker your purity fallacyso here are my questions for you:if competitors have better fee structures, why wont developers use those platforms instead?isnt that precisely how free market capitalism works?does that mean you are arguing against capitalism itself?
>>744063980Gog.
>>744063959Guess you wouldn't mind to transfer 30% of your paycheck to me then? It is nothing after all.
>"Leave the evil exploitative multi-billion dollar developers alone!"
>>744063883I'm a customer so I prefer platforms that place me first and developers second.
>>744064117The 30% pay enables someone to sell tens of millions of copies instead of a few dozen. Gotta spend money to make money.
>>744064117What would you offer to me in exchange?
>>744064117You're free to sell you games 30% more expensive. It's not against Steam's rules.
>>744063674Post the game you made.
>>744064117You're paying for the service and customer base that steam provides. Otherwise you would have to do a bunch of shit yourself and still get no sales. 70% of a million is still nice, but 100% of nothing is very bad
>>744063883Shalom.
>>744063339Good. If developers want to actually sell me their game by giving me the files then I will buy it from them. If they are going to try and saddle me with stupid launchers and shit then fuck them, at least gabe's launcher works.
the largest videogame distributor in the world is google play store by userbasethe most profitable videogame distributor in the world is apple app store by revenuethey set the industry standard at 15% for the first million revenue within a year and 30% for revenue above thatstop claiming 30% is the standard just because one or two middleweights think they're more important than they are.
>>744063674>>they take a monstrous 30% cut, but 100% of refund processing is on youProtip: Sell your game outside of steam and take a 100% cut m8
>>744064072>What's the harm with people filtering out games they don't like? If you make an RTS, someone who filters out RTS games because he doesn't like them was never going to buy it anyway.People are filtering non-genre specific tags such as female protagonist and LGBTQ+ which unfairly lowers the visibility of many great games.
>>744064117You can just make your own store bro.
>>744064106Steam has captive audience in tens of millions and effective monopoly on pc digital distribution. Meaning while you can try to sell your shit elsewhere, including your very own web 1.0 website, most people will either never know about it or refuse to buy out of steam on principle.
>>744064115not self-serve, they choose their products.
>>744063674>>your visibility is treated equally with literal sweatshop match3 spam games, of which there are 50-60 released dailyIt's not Steam's job to do your marketing.
>>744064249Its the standard for consoles which is what Steam was competing against when it started. Steam has never been in serious competition with Android phones.
FUCKING BASEDFUCK DEVELOPERSYou're acting like they wouldn't scam you for your granny's urn to pawn it off.Developers are fucking animals they earn privileges like human decency based on their game.
>>744064138steam does leave them alone, they roll out the red carpet of a lower cut and free advertising for them.
>>744063674>they take a monstrous 30% cut, but 100% of refund processing is on youWhy not sell me your game directly from your website?
Yes, more power and convenience for the user, even if it comes at the expense of the devs. I as a user obviously approve of that choice.Go on, try to convince me that I should advocate against my own interests
>>744063339GoodExcept for the refund stuff, that's pretty fucked but states are to blame for that one not steam itself
Go build another steam then.
>>744063339I don't give a fuck, I hope GabeN whips every developer back into shapeHEEEAAAA, you will make good productsHEEEAAA, you will put effort and prioritize the consumerHEEAAA, you will disclose AIHEEEAAAAA, you will disclose that your game Incorporates 3rd-party DRMHEEEEEAAA, you will disclose that this game requires a permanent Internet connection to play this video game at all times.HEAAA, you will disclose that your game requires 3rd-Party Account and agreement to a 3rd-party EULAHEAAA, you will be shamed for not updating your games after a couple of monthsHEEAaAAA, you will put up with user reviews and steam charts
>>744063674uh, based?
>>744064278>on principleIts not on principle. People trust Steam over other stores because they provide a good service and have been around long enough. They don't engage in anti competitive practices and they don't have the biggest games like Fortnite, Roblox and League of Legends, so it's not a monopoly. You know what's an anti competitive practice? To remove Rocket League from Steam.
>>744064321so not the standard
>>744064335Because that costs money.
>>744064245It is huge bloatware same as any other launcher. It is also not even coded entirely by valve as they couldn't be arsed to do web core themselves, which is why the fucking thing runs on chromium and had to boot out w7 grognards because chromium said so.
>>744063674>>they take a monstrous 30% cutBack in the day publishers took 70%
>>744064393Consoles were the standard for decades. Steam is now the standard.
Timmy is shitting his pants right now>m-muh 30%!What an absolute faggot.Make a good fucking product next time, dumbass. I'm sticking with steam
>>744064367https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1784993486114576.mp4
>>744064360We did, but it turns out that when you build it to favor devs instead of users...the users don't come...it's not fair...
>>744064406Steam has never crashed on me ever.
>>744063980if the fee is too high, take your business elsewhere
>>744064416Tencent's own store still did that until a while ago, where the cut INCREASED the more successful your shit was.
>>744064406>just build your own browser
>>744064435>not the majority of usershare>not the majority of revenue>somehow the standardare you retarded?
>>744064072>Valve handles it. I'm pretty sure the money doesn't even get sent until the refund window has passed specifically to make it easier for the devs.I think what's made anon confused is devs can get a bit fucked if a key gets revoked because it was brought with a stolen credit card, some devs have straight up said they would rather people pirate their games then buy from 3rd party key resellers because of the high rate of this happening
>>744064406Exactly, so why would I want to install another one that runs even worse?
>>744064261There is not a single great game that's affected by this.
>>744064478It's literally a non-issue because devs are like whiny women and want to complain about SOMETHING.
>>744064386People got comfortable with steam and as anything else people get comfortable with you effectively can't do shit about it without breaking it apart in some way. GOG still provides better deals than steam for example, but you don't care, you either download it from goggames (rip) or bitch and moan about much chievos and community integration.
>>744064261>People are filtering non-genre specific tags such as female protagonist and LGBTQ+ which unfairly lowers the visibility of many great games.Protip: Don't make female protagonist or LGBTShit games.
>>744064475>not the majority of usershare>not the majority of revenueFinally given up on crying monopoly, have we Tim?
Good
>>744064450They turned the Fortnite launcher into a store and forgot the part where the Fortnite kiddies don't care about buying games.
>>744064443
>>744064475How do you think people played games back in 2004?
>>744064470That would be much better investment than another few superyachts for fat fuck to larp as Cousteau.
>>744064398Then I guess you could pay valve to do it for you?
>>744063883Turd worlders hate Steam.
>>744064261What is the point of showing someone games with female protagonits and trannyfags if that person is looking for games without female protagonists and trannyfags?
>>744064261>many great gamesSuch as?
>>744064261Maybe female protagonist and lgbt shouldn't be tags anyway.
>>744064637Except valve doesn't do it for you, have fun getting your game drowned in sea of shovelware and wegs.
>>744064647not fooling anyone Sanjeet
>>744064520I got some games super cheap on GOG but then my bank informed me that my credit card info got leaked. Never trusted a Pole on anything since then.
>>744064278this is called a "natural monopoly" in economics and steam, while popular, certainly isnt thatthere are plenty of alternative platforms that are popular enough to be serious competitors, especially regarding exclusivitysteam just beats them in the free market by being more convenient for and more friendly to consumersthe rest of your argument is about exposure, something which is difficult for starting developers regardless of whether their game is available on steamthe more platforms the game is available on, the more exposure it will receive naturally, but plenty of games prove a game can become popular without steamminecraft, the most popular game in the world, has never been released on steamso once again let me ask this, are you arguing against (free market) capitalism itself? because thats the only way your argument can make any senseotherwise, it is entirely non sequitur
No goods producer in a free market should expect customers for existing, fuck you.
>>744064106>if i said apple app store you would whine and bicker your purity fallacy15% the industry standard
>>744064690Why does your game not stand out in the sea of shovelware? It's not shovelware, is it?
>>744064261>>744064686
>>744064758>15% the industry standardThe go to all the other stores that do your "standard" cuts?
>>744064440You are cattle and proud of it ,we get it.
>>744064714>I got some games super cheap on GOG but then my bank informed me that my credit card info got leakedso you bought keys from a third party site is what youre actually saying
>>744064807No pretty sure gog had a leak once
>>744063339>>744063674The power of the free market wills it, min-maxing ai-slop porn games and vibe-coded fotm streamer slop at the same time for optimum coverage at lowest investment.
>>744064690>Except valve doesn't do it for youWhy won't ubisoft just sell me assassin's creed or whatever (I dunno imagine a AAA I would actually want to buy) off their website? Oh right they do, on a separate store front. Why shouldn't valve charge them to put their games in valve's store front? And what benefit do I get for using ubisoft connect over steam?
>>744064807Directly from their store. A friend also had recently bought something from GOG and the bank reset their card at the same time. That's why I think it was the eternal Polack.
>>744063674>>they take a monstrous 30% cut, but 100% of refund processing is on you>>your visibility is treated equally with literal sweatshop match3 spam games, of which there are 50-60 released dailynone of this is true lmao
>>744064714>using naked credit card to buy shit onlineNobody but yourself to blame.
>>744063674>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etcAnd this is a bad thing how, you cum gargling cunt?
>>744064261>female protagonist>LGBTQ+ >many great games.
>>744064758Can you play Cyberpunk 2077 on a phone?
>>744063339It's ok when consoles have a monopoly and locked ecosystemIt's ok to have shitty practices and fuck over the consumerIt's not ok that steam is pro consumer, makes great sales, provides free services that require subscription on consoles.It's not ok that we are forced to try with our products, instead of cutting corners and overcharging consumers to fund our retarded business decisions.It's ok to defend my billion dollar company but not yours because I also want a cut of that billion.It's not fair I have to work for it like Steam did, I should be allowed to take shortcuts.
>>744064720steam is a fake monopolypic related is what Gabe was saying when he was trying to break into the Russian market.what he actually did was give Russians a deep discount at the expense of developers. now Steam's "massive userbase" is majority third worlders who don't purchase anything at all much less at full price.
>>744064908Never had problems with Steam, PSN or even fucking Origin.
>>744064945Capcom said that PC is now their main platform btw.
>>744063674>>they take a monstrous 30% cutExcept it's negotiable. For indies and small times you'll need a certain sales amount, but for big time companies they're probably not ever paying 30% from the very start. Gee, Timmy, why don't you change the playbook a little after all these years?
>>744064945He walked it back really fast. Region pricing on steam went to shit since coivid, he also can't be arsed to support a lot of regional payment processors, fucking egs has better selection in a lot of regions.
>>744063927epic store and microsoft store take 12%, google play starts at 15%
>>744064793Meanwhile Tim's just seething that he can't rustle said cattle by buying up all the feed.
I can't believe the same useful idiots are STILL recycling the same shitty anti-steam arguments they've been spamming for years nowHow many times you must be mogged before you learn your lesson?
Whats with the daily steam seerhe threads?
>>744063674GOOD. Make better games or go extinct.
>>744064450Epig doesn't even favor devs as they lack 90% of the features that would make devs more money or save them money in the long run, they only care about themselves and building an actual monopoly after getting burnt by focusing on consoles for a decade+
>>744064943a fatfuck middleman jewing his product suppliers is not what i would call pro-consumer
>>744063339developers are my bitches, gimme gaems or gtfo
>>744064416running thousands of physical stores costs a lot more than running one website that has barely been updated in a decade
>>744065039Anon, did you forget that one of the Epic lawsuits forced Tim to reveal that he pays for third worlder "marketing companies" to shill EGS on forums and social media?
>>744065026>fucking egs has better selection in a lot of regions.EGS also was caught forwarding costs for use of those payment processors' additional payment methods to consumers, which is ILLEGAL in a lot of those regions.
>>744063339What developers?
>>744065062Square Enix is about the only major dev that fell for the paid exclusivity shit beyond the first year, and even then they just saw it as dumb westerners giving them free money because they don't give two shits about the PC market.Everyone else treated it as paid beta testing.
>>744063339Developers and publishers are objectively evil and need to eat shit.
>>744064478The funny thing is that said devs would be 100% protected from this practice if they just don't generate any keys. The only reason to ever generate keys in todays market is to give them away to trusted individuals and/or 3rd-party market owners like Humble Bundle that already have systems in place to protect from CC theft. That is to say, the safest way to deal with the situation is also the most moral way of dealing with it.
>>744063883Jeet shill force and sunk cost anons
>>744065068>I invented lootboxesBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP! Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Valve did NOT invent lootboxes. Gambling with your real money for in-game items was a thing in asian freemium MMO's for years before, and EA had that shit in FIFA before Valve introduced lootboxes.>B-BUT STEAM WAS BIGGER-Wrong again! It can be confidently said that Fifa and MMO's like Maple story were a bigger deal than Steam at that time.
>>744065101>implying Valve is above shills while being onebrazen behavior
>>744063339they can always go to EGS
>>744065026Regional pricing doesn't make any sense in today's digital markets because enforcing it will always make the experience worse for the customer. Valve did exactly what they should have done and told devs "If you wanna do it then do it on your own, here are the tools but don't get us involved in your bullshit" after trying to force it onto them at the start.Regional pricing also only really positively affects the poorest countries in the world where piracy is the most rampant but it doesn't matter how low you set the price you'll never be able to compete with the price of "free" with that alone. The easiest way to sort of "fake" a regional pricing system is by simply making a system that asks the user "which is your preferred currency? And then update an estimate of conversion on a daily basis so that people don't have to go and look for the actual cost in their local currency on their own.
>>744064117the 30% cut that valve takes is more than made up by extra sales thanks to steam's visibility.>but what about all the shovelware slop put out on a daily basis?the trick is, you need to make something worth playing.
>>744065206Janitor here, this poster is a faggot
>>744063339I'm just gonna say it. Valve not being publicly traded is anti-american and anti-Semitic. We need the FCC and DOJ to step in here
>>744064720They should bring an antitrust case against gamers for making Steam a monopoly. This is what happens when you play games instead of complaining about being poor on 4chan.
>>744065068>Invented lootboxesThey straight up copied them from early 2000's F2P korean slop games and EA since it could be found in Fifa as early as 2008, 2 whole years before Valve made it a thing in TF2. Digital "licenses" were also a thing as far back as 1997 with CD-keys and live service games as far back as 91 with the introduction of MMOs
>>744065458>Regional pricing also only really positively affects the poorest countries in the worldyes like *checks list* OPEC nations, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand
>>744065859>all Chinese vassal states
>>744063339OY VEEEEEEEEEY all those missed shekels...
>>744065859Yes, in Japan they have to lower the price on PC games solely because no one buys them over there because PCs have been prohibitively expensive there for 30ish years thanks to retarded governmental legislation. That turned around since Covid and for the first time ever it started actually eating into Nintendos and Sonys marketshare when the Deck was released.Then again, 90% of the cheaper options on you list are exactly what I said, poorer countries that simply can't afford to buy games at USD market prices thanks to the conversion rate being sky high and/or the county being poor.
>>744065584So far trick is making fancy gamble simulators or friendslop.
>>744066176>Making what people wants... Works!Wow! Who would have thought!?It fucking sucks that this is the new Steam meta but at least they are easy to filter.
>>744066060>90% of the cheaper options on you list are exactly what I said, poorer countriesby my count 11 maximum (arguably fewer) are poor countries out of the 24... thats like 45%and why are they making Europe pay for an OPEC discount?
>>744066221just because they're the meta on steam doesn't mean anyone wants to play them. >>744064697
>>744063339Which storefront or platform is better for developers than steam then?
>>744066421all of them
>>744064697>he's so brown he doesn't know the banana for scale normalfag meme
It didn't but I wish it had.
>>744066445Name specific ones
>>744063339In what way is that my problem? I'm the customer.
Can someone please explain this months-long tantrum about Steam?I have no idea what OP is even referring to, and seemingly no one in the thread addresses it either.Is it some schizocord?
>>744066494trying to decide who to ddos for g*be today?
>>744064261Bait works better when you dont try as hard.
>>744066661I want to see an argument Steam is objectively the best platform to develop games onBiggest userbase, most helpful tools, most favourable revenue cut, lowest entry barrier for developmentProve me wrong you sperg
I love fags complaining that steam is a monopoly despite the fact thatA. Gog exists along with several other store frontsB. Chinkpic actively wants to create a Monopoly where you will have no say at all with less features than steam despite having 10 years to copy what makes Steam flat out better in all regards>But Gabe invented loot boxesNo he didn't, Korean MMOs did.>>744066661If there are numerous of them why can't you name a single one? Bold of you to assume the retarded virgins of modern /v/ even understand what a ddos is. But let's be real you're arguing in bad faith
Good. Modern games industry has shown how developers are some mixture of lazy, hyper-entitled and plain scums who'll scam you for 10+ years without producing anything if you let them. They need to be whipped in to shape, whipped in to working.
>>744063339developers/publishers became outright hostile to consumers a long time ago
>>744066828>Biggest userbasegoogle play>most helpful toolssaid like someone who has never seen Steam's janky ass backend>most favourable revenue cutliterally the highest there is>lowest entry barrier for developmentdoesn't even make sense as a talking point given they have next to no effect on actual development... and if you meant entry barrier in regards to releasing, they have a very literal hundred USD barrier which is also among the highest entry cost of any self-serve storefront
>>744066579Timmy tencent, jews, industry shills, turd worlders etc.
>>744067068>>744067125make your own games then
>>744067285what the fuck do you think indie games are
>>744065068>Steam invented lootboxesThe greatest lie EA told.
>>744067181>google play>phones, of which the overwhelming majority is worse than an old laptop who won't buy your games >said like someone who has never seen Steam's janky ass backendnebulous claims, my favourite meanwhile steamworks is better than what anyone offers>literally the highest there islower than consoles and gog>doesn't even make senseit does, faggot go on and buy a devkit for consoles, see if you can refund that like what happens to the steam fee
>>744063674>match 3 spamI NEVER see stuff like this on steam, steam mostly shows users what matches their interests, based on previous purchases/wishlists/playtime/self-identified categories as well as what is popular in general.I see loads of indie games because I play indie games.
>>744067439what OP is talking aboutAAA dont pay 30% on steam
>>744067494how does your 56k modem post to the future like this?
>>744063339kekDon't you have exclusivity bribes to sign off on, tim?
>>744066579It's a jeet pushing EGS talking points. That's it. You can actually trace this shit on google to when EGS got made.
>>744067745yes they doindie devs don't complain about the fee
>>744063339>pursuit of good user experienceis that good user experience in the room with us ? >let every shit on Steam >barely any quality control, so you can get a fucking virus>sales are shit and got worse over the years, also Flash sales were removed>despite Steam printing money Valve can't make new sequels for their old IP's >you can barely filter anything on the front page, so you still see garbage you don't want to see>Steam Greenlight was shut down
>>744063883I just hate woke subhumans and their corporate masters that want to force me to use a shit laucnher PER PUBLISHER
But how does this affect me, personally?
>>744063883It wouldn't be C because that's what OP was before he got VAC banned.
>>744068075where exactly do you think these memes come from?>>744064443>>744067181
>>744063339Good, developers deserve pain.
>>744063339the customer is always right
>>744067804>has no argument>pivots to seething potteryyou jeets should really be paid more, maybe that would motivate you to do your job
>>744063674That isn't exclusive to steam outside the 30% cut. Anon, you are always going to compete with mach 3 spam games, you will always be filtered by people who dislike your content, and revenue will always need to pass a threshold to actually be revenue.
>>744068563>pointing out how you're talking like it's 2001 with the bullshit about "cost of devkits" when it's a free plugin for unity/unreal now is "seething"oh you thought mentioning a 56k modem was legit because you're a thirdie
>>744063674>>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislike (you have no control over it)entitled troon kill yourself stupid faggot
>>744068676yes, consoles need devkitsstop being retarded
>>744063339Developers became hostile to consumers
>>744068604other stores actually have the algorithms or curation to surface quality and sink spam.the only metric steam uses for that is profit to them through revenue and market transaction fees which is easily gameable.
>>744068494a bunch of nondevs and tim sweeney talking about something they know jack shit aboutevery time an indie dev published on steam has gone public about their experience it's always been positivethat one kid that made schedule 1 is a millionaire several times over and never has to work again in his life, do you think he's sweating the money he had to give to steam?
>>744065068retard
>>744064261well yeah I don't want to see this garbage
>>744064450maybe when they start caring about the user experience instead of giving away boring trash for free and simping to trash devs they might start to make some small impact
>>744068864>other stores actually have the algorithms or curation to surface quality and sink spam.no they don't you stupid retard then why the fuck do absolute dogshit games like horizon end up on the front page of the psn store??
>>744064261I want to buy and play games that appeal to me. Welcome to the free market.Also, if this is some porn game you chose the worst platform.
when gaben dies steam will instantly turn from pro-consumer to capitalist slop, and the people bashing steam now will never acknowledge the shift, they'll just say steam was always bad
This industry SHOULD STOP being adult daycare, if you can't come up with something that really manages to distinguish itself from the gorillion of games coming out every year, then you have no right to complain about Steam store burying you, you are not special, your eight billionth boomer shooter doesn't deserve more spotlight than Goat Simulator.Back then devs were fiercely competing to make the coolest most unique games, while also making sure to market them as the coolest shit you never knew you needed.Stop being entitled to instant money just by releasing shit on a gameing platform
>>744068865you're talking to an indie dev who delisted every game they had on steam because steam is garbage and has a Valve v Wolfire antitrust class action inclusion notice sitting on a shelf.shut your dumb shill ass up
>>744067285I do thanks to AI.Learn to flip burgers.
>>744069027couldn't help but notice you didn't say what the title of your game was
>>744069046good go fuck off to your walking simulator
>>744069027name your game
>>744065458it absolutely makes sense, its already solely legitimised by laws mandating vat to be included in the list pricelet alone differences in purchasing powerthis is how trade works in a globalised exonomy, otherwise nations wouldnt have any sovereignty and hyper deflation would be rampant
>>744069056right under the black bar
itt: one "indie" dev who made unity store asset slop is extremely upset that he got 0 sales on steam attempts to control the narrative by being 99% of posts
>>744065206Anon with a brain here, that janny larp is so easy to fake it's not even funny. Samefagging and deleting your own posts within the 30 minute window is literally all it takes.
>>744069182you're not saying what the title is because you know the second everyone sees what it is they're going to realize it's dogshit and you deserved to flop on steam
>>744063674>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislikeYou are not entitled to my money just by creating something I do not likeThe only point I agree with is the indieshit spam that you have to compete with and even then if you can't get people to play your game your game isn't good.>but it isThen where is the youtube reviewslop video on it? That's right get fucked loser
>>744069182BASED GABEN!
>>744063339Good
>>744063883>D) just an assholeI am an exceptional asshole, tyvm
>>744069256this is such blatant cope but it begs the question, why is your cope tied to a delusional belief in steam supremacy? it's not like you're getting the 30% they rip off.
>>744069120>walking simulatorI'm playing my games not yours woketard
>>744065026>he also can't be arsed to support a lot of regional payment processorsmore so because oppressive regimes use their citizens and the services they rely on as hostages, regional payment providers are just an extension of that
>>744066579There is a certain group of people who have been kvetching non stop since late 2023, and they want to control and censor all media platforms possible. Steam is outside of their direct influence due to it being a private company, so they want to force it to go public, or use lawfare to force a sale like they did with IW.
You know how to code but you do not know people. And that is why you are a failure as creativity is meant to be shared with others and is a reflection of who you are and since you're an annoying antisocial reject your art is terrible too.>pic related. This is u
>>744069182>Forcing tranny devs to drop the price if they try to kike the consumerand this is why steam is winning
>>744069483>blah blah blahyou sure took a long time just to not name your game
>>744069483steam doesnt charge the customer that 30%thats all you need to know
>>744069497that is not how price parity worksalso don't bother responding to this without solving the picture of your hand captcha
>>744067181Google Play is not competing with Steam.
>>744069537this. games go for the same on EGS so it means the consumer is forced to cover the 30% that should not go to the greedy devs
he thinks steam is the bad guy because his indie game flopped, because he needs to blame literally anyone but himselfthat's literally what this whole thread is
>>744069483>I have le credentials!!! RESPECT ME!!!!>no I won't show my credentials OK faggot, my game has millions of sales and steam is the best platform I'm more successful than you, I'm overruling you But I don't have to prove it, just like you
>>744064278i think the stupidest argument about other stores being cheaper is that do you really fucking think the likes of epic and microsoft would still be charging 12% if they had steam audience
>>744069571thats right, they're competing with applehttps://80.lv/articles/app-store-gaming-revenue-in-2025-outpaces-google-play-and-steam-combined
>>744069027>WolfireIs that the man who consorts with beasts?
>>744069632I love your game anon pls have my babbies!
>>744069632oh yeah?then what's the street address of the "Notice Administrator" on the class action card you received?
>>744069492this so much thischud art will never reach the highs of marathon(2026)
>>744069569not my problem, drop the price greedy corpo dev
>>744069483>it's not like you're getting the 30%I am getting cheap games and a good service tho. Only thing that is missing is more games like HL3 and Deadlock actually releasing to the public.
>>744069832we dont have class actions in europe because we are civilised
>>744063674>>they take a monstrous 30% cutSony, Nintendo, and Xbox pull the exact same shit at retailers yet it's somehow ONLY an issue when Steam does it.Didn't read the rest.
>>744069645Everyone knows the shit Microsoft pulls when they dominate an industry.
>>744063339aside from the 30% cut which is pretty high, it doesn't seem that hostile
>>744069870there's multiple class actions around the world because it's been proven in the wolfire case during evidence discovery that they distorted the market so you got more expensive games than you would have gotten without their influence.
>>744063674>>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etcBased Gaben, crucify all AI niggers
>>744069935The cut for physical console games is:>50% for publisher>15% for Sony/Microsoft >30% for Walmart/GameStopSo Valve is just taking the cut that physical stores were getting.
>>744063339
>>744070048>distorted the marketLMAO
>>744069840Like you they tried and failed only they failed with millions of dollars of capital and the backing of a AAA studio. You failed with only yourself to blame. It's tough bud
>>744063339>good user experience>steam>"good"HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, funniest joke i've ever heard
How much can timmy tencent afford to pay for these hate campaigns? It must be a decent amount if they've been going daily for years now.
>>744070110>distorted the market>LMAOi wonder who could be behind this post
>>744069681the consumers of mobile games and pc/console do not overlap
Does anyone have that screenshot of the developer saying that only 3 copies of his game were purchased on EGS?
Casual reminder that steams industry standard 30% drops to 20% after a minor revenue threshold is met. If your steamcut is 30%, it means your game is shit.The timmyjeet and definitely real indie dev will pretend this post doesn't exist.
>>744070217then why is steam filled to the brim with mobile games?
>he still hasn't named his game>people are still engaging with himthis whole fucking thread is a "game dev" whose unity store asset slop flopped on steam and has now dedicated his whole life to being assmad about ithis arguments are all bad faith until he names his game, stop talking to this anti-steam shill>>744070268that's not what I see on my store page
>>744070197You don't actually think that having a standard price of games at around 60 or 70 dollars is the result of a competitive market. This companies are all in collusion. If anything Steam raised competition leading to cheaper games like E33 and Arc Raiders.
>>744070048>it's been proven in the wolfire case during evidence discovery thatCase file or shut up. The Wolfire case has gone through permutation after permutation, including Wolfire completely abandoning their original claims and fabricating entire new ones, when they found they couldn't make the original ones stick. They're just a bunch of assholes with a grudge to settle, who will grasp at every straw of opportunity that lands their way, and everyone familiar with the case knows it. Public secret at this point.
>>744070268Is Slay the Spire a console, mobile or PC game?
>>744070156Your average jeetshill makes like 200 dollars a month, and it doesn't take that many to shit up /v/ when they post on cooldown.I bet timmy spends more on lunch any given month than what he spends on his poo slaves.
>>744070257>drops to 20% after a minor revenue threshold is met>minorthe only minors are on his yachts
and that's a good thing
>>744064443https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1785068434934161.mp4
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
>>744070141? did this make sens in your mind?like let's suppose I "failed" (pure projection) why is it better to fail when you are privileged and have all the political/financial institutions behind you rather than as an indie?baiting really is a lost art
>>744070485now he's accusing gaben of being a pedo because his real arguments are falling apart
>>744070362lot of furfags shitpost on /v/ and i wouldn't be surprised that the wolfire devs shitpost on /v/ with their shitty lolsuit case too
>>744064443>>744070668>ai slop musicthis is why your indie game failed
>>744063883a third worlder asshole
>>744070668>picit really is all about upset marxists devs because they didn't get rich
>>744070680He has no real arguments.
>>744063339>in pursuit of more money, developers became hostile to consumers
NAME YOUR GAME
>Steam is le hostile to developers Meanwhile it's literally the birthplace of indiesGet your script checked, shill
>>744063674>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislike (you have no control over it)Good.>>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etcGood.
>>744064443https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1785068705004945.mp4>>744070680>real arguments>the argument is just hand Gabe 50mil for a lower cutpedo is the nicest thing you could say in response to this
>>744063339i have been uploading builds to steam regularly and setting up stuff every new project at work for about 15 yearstheir systems just work and they have good documentation and supportin general its just a good experience for a developer
>>744070938>hand Gabe 50milyou can't even read, you're not qualified to be having this argument
>>744070889B1G FUTA D1X 4 B1G FUTA CH1X
>>744070942where's your game?
>>744070919According to Google the cut that XBLA was getting on indies was around 50-60 percent, it was Valve and Sony the ones who pushed it to a 30% cut.
>>744065068No one here cares about lootboxes anymore, you have multiple gacha slop threads up at a timeTechnically an Asian invention, aka gachapon vending machines
>is anti-steam>says his game got fucked over by them>posts anti-steam AI images and AI musicI got a feeling I know why anon's game failed.
>>744070938I'm going to judge steam by the qualities of its enemiesIf a third worlder ai slop shill is calling steam bad then it must be good
>>744063610Indians and sea nigs, akshually
>>744071035on steam, console digital stores, and probably some used game storesa few on other pc digital stores too
>>744071063shitting on your own people like you shit on your own street
>>744064117Steam gives everything for free included in that 30% cut, meanwhile sony, ms and Nintendo charge 30%, charge users to play online while also charging for sdks, server costs and other fees, yet consoles get zero shit thrown at them.
>>744071063it's truetim sweeney wanted to introduce arbitrary marketplace exclusivity to PC gaming and called it pro-consumer even though console exclusivity has already proven that untrue for decadessteam's enemies are all anti-consumer shits, what does that say about steam
>>744071119>hiding his "game" even though with what he said no valve shills will ddos or shadowban himvery authentic post
>>744071125>Le valve supports jeetsMeanwhile they amount to less than 1% of global steam traffic and there's no hindi option your script sucks jeet
>>744071125>Muslims side with GabenSteam is the chosen platform of the prophet.
>>744070678You did fail otherwise you would not be posting here. >Why is it better when AAA studios fail but when I do it u cryBecause indie teams are smaller so your game is YOUR game. It is not EA's. It isn't ubisofts. You can't spread blame among hundreds of other people. The failure is yours and yours alone. You failed. It's worse when you fail actually because you can't make the excuse that the big bad ceo forced you to make the game worse. Each design decision is your fault
>>744071125name your game
>>744071213no ones accusing steam of having an indian userbaseit's just their staff and shills (You)
>>744071284>the most popular gaming storefront needs shillslolyou know what does support jeets? Google play, which you brought upEpic games, which you're implying is better than steamNot very subtle
Fuck all developers is a morally acceptable standpoint and a good principle to have. Most devs are trash that either enable AAA nonesense or indiecunts that have no idea what makes a game enjoyable. If a dev is good they'll design something that's successful and make money (Valve partially enables this), but they're the minority.So if minority is smaller than the majority, and the majority are cunts, then saying 'fuck devs' has to be morally good. Simple mathematics.
>>744063339hostile to greedy jews/publishers you mean
>>744071383>the most popular gaming storefront needs shillswe're talking about Steam not the most popular gaming storefront
>>744070919>the birthplace of indiesOnce upon a time you got an indie game of the guy's website. The notion that indie devs would ever be on steam was a wild idea.
>>744071197Timmy probably wanted to implement predatory pricing, but couldn't do it without getting caught for unfair competition right away. Cutting the developer fees was probably an attempt to do this in a way that could be framed in a positive way, but it didn't work since no one buys games on Epic Games, and developers weren't going to push for lower prices anyway.
>>744063339>developersHOLY BASED
>>744063674>my tranny indie slop game failed boohoo
>>744071383>>744071489name your game
>>744064450what favor to devs? they hold your game and even gift it
timmy thread? go chew the remote
Nothing is forcing devs to use steam. Self publishing and distributing is 100% viable.
>>744071272who do you think you are talking to you deranged schizo? since when am I a indie dev?are non mentally ill brahmin too expensive to hire or something why are they sending the worst dravidians?
I, as a user, couldn't give a flying fuck about the developer. If the game is awesome - I buy it on steam. If it's good - I wait for a discount to buy it on steam. If the game is bad - I click ignore and never see it on steam. If developer spent years of hard work and put all his passion into the game, but I do not like it - I leave bad review and refund it. Developer can literally die and I wouldn't spare a single thought about him. If you think that you deserve to get my money for your game - make a better game or go back to flipping burgers at McDonalds. If you think these conditions are unacceptable - go back to flipping burgers at McDonalds and I will buy someone else's game. You are a monkey dancing for my entertainment and if you stop dancing - I will throw breadcrumbs to the other monkey
>>744066579valve won some lawsuits against kikes and still refuses to become a public companybasically, they're refusing to play by the rules so they're being punished
>>744063339Appealing to customers > appealing to developers and publishers. Epic knows this too, the only reason they do what they do is because they want more developers to use Unreal Engine.Their store is a loss leader for unreal engine.
>>744069630correct
>>744071558
>>744071485>zero disclosure about breakdownswowitsfuckingnothing.jpgYou can buy plenty of shit that isn't games on both app store and google play. Not to mention you're so desperate to win you're counting shit like gacha and woman crap like candy crush as actual games.
>>744071583trying to make the "jews are attacking us!" defense for the jewiest company under the torah is some of the hebrewest shit i ever saw
>>744063339Perfect, as it should be.
>>744071762stop noticing goy the post
>>744063339developers should ask themself why whats good for the consumer of their goods is considered so hostile towards them.
>>744071485>most popular gaming storefrontThat's WeChat.
>>744063339Wow
>>744071762What makes Valve jewish here?
>>744071858the Banks literally do content moderation on Steam. who do you think you're fooling?
>>744063339okay
>>744071489And almost nobody would know that "indie" is even a thing. Steam put them on the map.
>to developersnot my problemi'm buying where i find the cheapest shiti dont give a fuck about youmaybe devs shouldn't have fucked their fanbases by ruining their franchises
>>744071485Both of these full saport hindi, want hardware level monopolies and promote the most predatory p2w modelsSteam doesn'tIs that why you're bringing them up, saar?
>>744071948that's salami slicing.i can go on forever, they nickel, dime, scam and scheme at every turn.
https://youtu.be/kk-9cvnaXAg?si=vALk7DPQSD9Su8tr
>>744071959>the Banks literally do content moderationon everything, including 4chan, and many rightist are debanked. but sure, be hyper-focused that the banks only pay attention to (((one singular))) privately owned game company and not every single one of them as the credit card companies try to block transactions anything Japanese related or JPN banks
>>744072150>no curved arrow pointing at GabeNot watching.
>>744072143Uh huh. Your corporate god still will never have his coveted monopoly.
How much is Tim paying you?
>>744063339No it didn't Tim.
>>744072239Nothing. He's doing it for free because he's upset his shovelware game made $0. I bet he genuinely believes his unity store asset slop was "shadowbanned" on steam, and that's why no one bought it.He still has not shared the title of the game, btw.
>>744072143+1 Izzat
>>744072143>Letting you add funds in differing amounts is bad because I'm retarded and schizophrenic
can any real poster look at >>744072184 and not realize it's a valve paid shill?learn what these fuckers smell like.
>>744072375>has no actual argumentKEK
>>744072375You're not a real poster, jeetSee >>744072126
>>744072352to explain for you, over here in our countries the numbers after the period will end up just leftover hanging out in the steam wallet unused
>>744072437>>744072445these are Bank content moderated 4chan posts.you've outed yourself VISA and MASTERCARD
Provide the title of the shovelware game you delisted from steam or shut the fuck up, kiddo.
>>744072481You do know that you can pay the exact amounts for games, right sperg?If you're adding wallet funds you want to have leftovers
>>744072584This is a jeet that wants steam to have hindi support just like his mobile scam storefronts
>>744069884yes you do and you would know that if you lived in a western country
Wait, is this literally the "point" this nigger was trying to make?Pfffft.
>>744072594Overgrowth
>>744072481why the fuck are you adding funds to your steam wallet instead of just buying the game directly for the exact price
>>744071473Newfags don't understand just how hard every single other company in the PC gaming space went on a fuckign bridge burning spree through the mid 2000s to early 2010s. EA was releasing weekly sims "content packs", ubisoft sold you games that didn't work, blizzard did literally nothing but milk WoW cattle for a decade, Microsoft kept trying to force its dogshit GFWL on everyone. Publishers were trying to push starforce and securom on you, rts died and no one even attended the funeral, developers got bought up and stripped for parts or made to transition to consolized trash mills like bioware. You had to fucking call a telephone number and ask to pretty please have permission to install bioshock again. It was a fucking dark time and all valve had to do was not turn up to the weekly bridge burning party.
>>744072686that's still on steam
>>744072696He's probably a pajeet who only ever bought games with stolen steam cards.
>>744072608how do you think most kids without credit cards and Steam's majority userbase of ~foreigners in countries with payment processor sanctions~ get their money into Steam?
>>744063339>the one single service in the entire world which uses its monopoly to better serve the consumer at the expense of the producerGood. If you want to make easy money by ripping people off then get into literally any other business.
>>744063339>developersCheeky bastard. Publishers. And publishers are not entitled to money. First rule of the media: give people what they want.
>>744072808they ask their parents to buy the game for themkids don't get fucking allowances these daysalso steam is cutting the gift cards from stores entirely because too many of you pajeets were using them for scams, sorry not sorry
>>744072808the other anon is right, you are a jeet
>>744072808you will notice that real world picture of steam cards specifies USD on it because it's not a picture taken on US soil where that would not be specified.
Gift cards will no longer be restocked due to your jeet brethren's effortsUpdate your script rakesh
>>744063339>In its pursuit of good user experience
>>744063674>refunds are on youThat's epic not steam retard-kun.
>>744063980
>>744072696Not that guy. I use steamcards because valve started demanding my phonenumber after some KYC laws ~10 years ago and my phonenumber is none of valves business. As far as I understand it, demanding the number is also a GDPR fine waiting to happen the moment someone can be assed to snitch to the proper authorities.>>744072749>stolenAnon, those cards have to go through the sellers checkout before they're activated.
>>744072909>>744072941>>744072973cope/shill all you want, reality is that third worlders make up the top 3 nations on steam and 2 of those dont have usable payment processors and the top one most of the users are too young or too poor to keep a credit card going.
>>744072974The ones I use says Euro on them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>744069884Class actions are awesome.>be contacted by law firm>give them proof you belong in the class and your Zelle address>months pass>they send you enough money for a couple of Cokes
>>744063674>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislike (you have no control over it)Yeah, it's called user experience. I see what i want to see.>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etcOh nooo, i have to be open about all the draconian shit i'm trying to shove down my customer's throats.
>>744073084if they're complying with local law then I don't know how the fuck you think they could be fineduse a vpn, dummy
>>744073084Jeets convince people over the phone to buy steam cards and then give them the redemption codes. That's how they get stolen.
Another day, another anti-Valve thread. Timmy isn't going to give you V-Bucks for this.
>>744073139>third worldersYou were bringing up phone app stores to attack steam, faggotHave some self reflection, jeet
>>744073247and the chinese mine crypto to trade for steam cardswhats your point?
>>744073139you say it's a problem but steam has clearly decided it's notthey're cutting gift cards from stores, so either steam hates money and wants to cut off all those third worlders, or those third worlders have means of buying games and you're just some scammer that wants things to stay the way they were so he can keep stealing
>>744073294you seemed to be struggling with the concept of "stolen," guess you're too thick to understand, have a nice day
>>744073139good job, saar. izzat for you
>>744073203It's an EU thing. The KYC shit is basically them asking for points of buyer verification to calculate taxes. The thing is that they're only required to use two points of verification and both billing address and IP address qualifies. Furthermore, they're legally required to choose the least intrusive verifiers available but for some reason they want phonenumber on top of what's already submitted.
>>744063339For the greater good
>>744073324digital cards are fundamentally the exact same thing as physical cards, they're just dropping the pretension that they were ever used as actual gifts.
>>744063674>no revenue at all until you pass an arbitrary threshold$100 is not a high bar to clear. If your game hasn't made $100, pack it in, dev work is not for you.>they take a monstrous 30% cut, but 100% of refund processing is on you30% is industry standard, and that second part simply isn't true.>>users can arbitrarily hide your game via a booboo tag they dislike (you have no control over it)Good. People who aren't going to like your game are self-selecting out of the pool.>>forced disclosure of 3rd party tools, external EULAs, AI tools etcGood.>your visibility is treated equally with literal sweatshop match3 spam games, of which there are 50-60 released dailyThis is the only valid complaint you have. Steam was better when they were discerning with what was allowed on Steam. Unfortunately that ship has sailed. And I really want to be clear, if it weren't for that, *you* would not be on steam because you would not meet the threshold.
>>744073440physical cards had codes that could be stolen, digital cards can only be sent directly to someone's account or redeemed directly to your wallet immediately
>>744073139>too poor to keep a credit card goingbut credit cards are free anon
>>744063674>my game can't make $100>I am a liar>users should have my game forced down their throat even if they don't like it>steam made me tell them I'm using unity store assets and AI>my game got thrown into the slop pile because it is sloplol
>>744073614the change from physical to digital cards is a change for stream from having official resellers to unofficial resellers.that's going to also change the fraud surrounding it but by no means will it eliminate fraud. it's not like eliminating fraud is steam's goal anyways, they dgaf about that, they get a winwin of eliminating costs of what must have been an expensive branch of their operation while simultaneously lessening their legal exposure by offloading reselling to unofficial vendors they have no business relationship/contract with.
>>744073615>[Western Union has entered the chat.]
>>744074124no one is selling digital steam gift cards other than steam
>>744074124Literally no one is going to need to buy digital gift cards unless it's literally a gift for a specific personIf you're trying to scam a digital only ecosystem you will get legally raped, it's all reversible
>>744073084>doesn't have his phone number and steam guard activated for account securityYou're definitely retarded.
>>744074194are you stupid or pretending to be stupid?>Choose Friend
Fuck developer scum.Good on steam for keeping them on a tight leash. They need to be kept under control in case they start another gamergate.
>>744063339And? The customer is always right. Valve's just one of the few companies to remember that.
>>744074176no fucking idea what that is
>>744074221>digital only ecosystemthe """gift"""" cards literally only exist to facilitate unaccepted payment methods like cash. it required a reseller when it was physical, it requires a reseller when it's digital....because someone has to be the middleman.
>>744063339>this platform became outright hostile to developers.sounds like a skill and competency issue to me.>its the platforms issue i cant make money
>>744074337>this jeet goes around calling everyone jeetsbaka
>>744074298I'm glad I'm not third world enough to understand what the hell you're saying.
>>744074435And when there's an intermediary step where you're converting physical cash into a number on the screen then you can only scam people if they never realise they got scammed since you can reverse it and whoever redeems it will get raped
>the mask off is a jeet that's butthurt about steam getting rid of gift cards
>>744063339>we've let corporations get away with so much even valve's baseline practices to not completely fuck the customer over are seen as anti-businessgrim
>>744063674Timmy isn't sending his best. Surely he can afford to pay for non-brown shitposters with his Fortnite money.
