Oh no no no
>>744517982>slop sells worse than other slopCool.
This just further proves customers voting with their wallet is a form of economic terrorism.
>>744517982But do they mean games that admit to using AI and do it obviously or games that don’t admit to using AI and use it in a way that you can’t tell? Because those are two different things.
>>744518042Smells like deflection to me
>>744517982Tim Sweeney was right when he said Steam was a predatory platform and having monopoly that forces developers to divulge this information to lose on potential sales.Don't understand what everyone's obsession with that grey haired fat fuck is
>>744518289If AI is so good why are you upset that people have to disclose it
Saar game is very good. Do not disclose the Ai. DO NOT DISCLOSE
>give people the option to hide AI games>china spreads anti-AI fud>luddites slurp it op>AI developers have their money effectively stolenhow is this not economic terrorism? discrimination against AI products should be banned the same way you aren't allowed to discriminate based on race. put gabe in prison for life for good measure for basically aiding china against the west
If you didn't care enough to make it, I won't care to buy it.
>>744517982Ok... Now compare those "lost sales" with the costs of hiring some arrogant prick to do whatever work you put them on to make the various parts of the game. It's a net gain in the long run because the costs saved easily make up for any lost sales. Besides real gamers know gameplay is king.
>>744518702>hiring some arrogant pricksaar artist evil woke left tranny sir redeem based AI bloody bastard
>>744518367because goycattle assumes the entire game was made by grok in a day if you use ai to avoid making the skybox or random gibberish posters in the background by handif your game is worthless slop it will be obvious from the screenshots and reviews
>>744517982Luddite terrorism! Aieeeeeee! Save me Claude!
>>744518702Companies found that using LLMs to do all that coding work is actually much more expensive because of the token burn rate and need to fix hallucinations.I get the impression that /v/ only really cares about the end product and nothing that goes on behind the scenes which just seems like a shallow way to view the world, if you don't get into the guts of something how are you supposed to know how anything works?
>>744517982Yeah games like Fortnite, CoD and Genshin are massively unpopular, this is totally not a cope narrative
>>744517982Nope, the conclusion being drawn from this data is shit. No studio needs to be afraid of using AI if their game is high quality. AI games sell less because they're low quality, not because people see AI is being used. That's a subtle but meaningful difference here.There's going to be 100,000,000 AI games or so, I fully expect there to be a high number of bad quality games. But I also expect there to be a high number of high quality AI games too. That's just what happens if you roll the dice enough.
>>744519056Stellar Blade just released a new music video and it looked like below average crap. If a major studio releases something that low quality and they are like SUPER into AI then this narrative seems like a cope to me.
>>744517982When all games are made by AI (we're pretty much already there, you just can't tell) then you'll have no fucking choice. You'll buy the "slop" and you'll love it, just like DLC, just like live service, just like every other thing you tried to boycott and failed. """Gamers""" are just a flock of sheep.
>>744518575Here's one easy step to avoid all that: Don't make slop :)
>>744518826These are luddite arguments, AI will get cheaper and better at coding. You can make any game you dream of. In fact the games industry will become obsoltee because you can just make a game you want instead of playing other peoples games. You can make something epic like grand theft auto your city!
>>744517982Selling just under half is still a fuckton, AIslop should sell 99% less who the fuck is buying this crap
>>744519189its another mass production event. the quality of games will drop 35% but there will be 3x more of them. just like how 100 years ago everyone had high quality custom made shoes, but now all you get is mass produced garbage thats not even foot shaped (but you can buy 3 of them!)
>>744517982stellar blade bloodrain will change that trend
>>744517982So if I use Claude to vibe code some shitty viral friendslop game instead of 10 million sales in a month I'll "only" get ~5 million sales?Uh... be right back, gonna get that $100 sub
>>744519056>AI games sell less because they're low quality, not because people see AI is being used.Okay but seeing that AI tag is still a huge red flag. A lot of people will need to see a tsunami of positive reviews to overcome that.
>>744519151They had no obligation to release that music video though, who the fuck releases a music video for an unreleased game?I didn't watch it, I'm sure it's not great, but that's a case where it exists in addition to everything else, rather than being proof of a reduction in quality.
>>744517982Why do faggots constantly try to persuade me that AI outrage is having an absurdly enormous impact on consumer sentiment as if it isn't just a bunch of losers of leddit and bluesky and shitty, biased data extrapolations. No one fucking cares
>>744519214Have AI fags ever heard of a verhulst curve?
>>744519364They're heavily (financially) invested in ignoring the possibility, otherwise the market collapses
>>744519328>Okay but seeing that AI tag is still a huge red flag.No, there's no proof of people caring about that. Just virtue signalling.I think the #2 demo on Steam Next Fest or something had an AI tag on it.
>not biased research figures out that the thing they're biased against is actually le badI'll wait and see what actually happens, I don't need 'experts', thanks tho
>>744519478>there's no proof of people caring about that.That's retarded. If people didn't care then you wouldn't bitch about muh luddites
>>744519364>Technology is clearly plateauing>AI fags instead scream "SINGULARITY"
>>744519328>A lot of people will need to see a tsunami of positive reviews to overcome that.and the way this ways out in the long term is people eventually see enough games which have the "tsunami of positive reviews" in addition to the AI tag, and then people start to disassociate the AI tag from the review score.Games will be judged on quality irrelevant to the AI tag.
>>744518767I'm not going to hire your tranny ass, sorry bro
Here's your ai game
>>744517982Text in screenshot indicates games that used AI got 53% fewer REVIEWS (no direct correlation to sales), had a 4% difference in positive ratings, and that it mainly affected large studios/publishers or well known games.So if you're a small studio or indie dev, seems like a no brainer to use AI as those tradeoffs are well worth the time & cost savings.
>>744519437We could still have an economy by rebuilding the American manufacturing sector... what? It's too much effort and not enough profit? Oh, okay then...
Why should anyone give any ai game the time of day if even its creator cares so little about its quality that they resort to ai?
>>744519478Maybe not. What I said was anecdotal because that's exactly what I do and I believe a lot of people do it too.
>>744519648But what savings is there to be had really? Tokens are getting expensive
>>744518258AI slop deflects sales away from it's own creators very well then.
>>744519691>you used a computer and didnt care enough to draw it by hand
>>744517982I'd still wager that AI slop costs less than half to make, which means the tech is still a net profit
>>744519582I don't even bitch about luddites anymore because I'm fully convinced of where things are heading. It'll take another 10 years but you'll quieten down, trust me. The reason is because all of your negative assumptions are built on misinformation.
>>744518772>If you use ai>Your game is worthless slop
>>744517982>52% worse sales while requiring 95% less effort
>>744519761Sure Claude
>>744519754What hope is there in ai content having any quality control if even a AAA studio felt confident in lazily releasing an ai generated music video consisting of mostly raw output with no manual fixes?
Threadly reminder that the only companies making serious money off AI are the ones selling shovels to AI gold-diggers:https://isaiprofitable.com/
>>744519921I legitimately think that chuds don't even really care that much about the actual quality of the media, it's about having a sheer vast amount of coomer shit to goon to and say "Woke people can't create" because they have 100k sloppa games
>>744519963not clicking your ipgrabber
>>744519352Anti-AI fags are legit the most retarded group second only to the people who glue themselves to buses
>>744519995In other words, he was right.
>>744519963If you scroll down this part's rather crazy:>Many industry experts and companies claim AI profitability by 2030 is possible, so I wanted to see how close we really are.2030, so luddites will be correct for 4 more straight years and then they'll be incorrect from then on. lmao
>>744519659We have record low unemployment. Who's going to do all the manufacturing once Donald deports all the Mexicans?
>>744520086Oh wow, that doesn't sound awful at all.
>>744519735Claude costs £18 a month and provides enough regenerating tokens (on a 5hr cycle) to handle the coding needs of most small to mid sized games.
>>744519648>read the post>ctrl+f "reviews">this is the only post that acknowledges thiswhy is everybody else ignoring how retarded this statistic is?
>>744520098>ClaimI can claim that you have a big penis but we all know that's a lie.
>>>744519963>If you scroll down this part's rather crazy:>>Many industry experts and companies claim AI profitability by 2030 is possible, so I wanted to see how close we really are.>>2030, so luddites will be correct for 4 more straight years and then they'll be incorrect from then on. lmaoIt's almost as if you can't be profitable while you're actively building new fucking factories lol
>>744518772Your tears are delicious, Achmed.
>>744520243meds retard
>>744520161Nobody else cares because even if it was true, it would still be stupid.
Why would I pay full price for a game if someone didn't put any effort into making it other than typing prompts and is probably full of hallucinated nonsense?
>>744520115Funny how every administration the unemployment rate drops to its lowest ever. How have we not hit negative unemployment yet?
>>744520161Steam doesn't disclose sales so Reviews are good enough metric to get a decent intuition on how much a game sales are.
>>744520338Because we've been at record low unemployment for a while now. The last real recession was in 2008. There are probably people here who weren't even born then.
>>744517982>Lie about AI>Massive boost to salesHoly shit
>>744520313?Who are you asking? Why are you saying this?Nobody's asking you to spend money on anything, it's a product, you either buy it or you don't, what the fuck kind of retarded mental gymnastics are you trying to do right now?
>>744518772You will never make a real game. Enjoy people not buying your slop.
>>744520278>anon discovers capex
>>744519648The real conclusion for indies is to use generative AI and not disclose it and when confronted no matter how obvious it is you deny, deny, deny. If your game is any fun retards will line up to parrot it not being AI for you. Retro Rewind is a good example of this.
>>744517982What is the cost difference of making fully non-AI games and AI games? If it's more than twice as cheap then it means that the economic model works
>>744518289Fuck off tim
>caring about how a game is made and any of that gay dev shit>not spending time wanking instead
>>744519214lol this argument is funny because it takes the position that most of the population is creative enough to make their own mediathey're notno matter how easy AI can theoretically make the process, the average person still won't engage they want their media presented to themand even then, a lot of them would rather rewatch or replay the same five shows or games they've been consuming their whole lives"You can make your own!" will never be an argument that will win over the masses
>>744520585Right now I'd say fable is about a 9x dev, though it's not exactly built for video game making so it's not quite as efficient (lots of fiddling with the rules of whichever engine you're using that differs from the C languages) That doesn't mean you make it 9x faster of course, because a lot of making a game is iteration and design and thinking (that AI isn't great at, yet), but it's probably already 3-4x I'd say
>>744520412how well do the numbers account for people working multiple jobs?
why is he posting random screenshots now
>>744517982>AI games sell less than 53% than non-AI gamesThat was fucking awful, pay more attention in English class next time.Should be>AI games sell 53% fewer copies than non-AI games
My problem with AI is that all AIfags seem to have dogshit taste.Take that Stellar Blade video, both the song and the video are shit, yet the AIfag in charge genuinely thought that was good enough to release and thought people would think it looked and sounded good.Also makes me worried about the game's performance, since they'll probably try to rely on godawful frame generation and DLSS to make up for the dogshit performance, which is sad since the first game runs amazingly.
>>744517982>up to Means fucking nothing
>>744519806You’re proving his point you fucking moron.
>>744520704Yeah that's what's great about Al. It simply expands the possibilities for Creative People. For them it's not a worry because in the end the cream always rises to the top.
>>744518772>We prompters are real professionals!
>>744520854My problem with anti-AI fags is that they don’t actually know anyone who uses it so they construct a retarded scenario in their head based off of nothing that makes them feel correct.
>>744520854people are shit, AI is just the new cool tool that most people want to jump on since it's, well, it's a good bet as to what the future will be like, that doesn't make people not shityou can make very great pictures with AI if you have the brain to figure out how to prompt what you want shown correctly (and you have the creativity to figure out what you want to show, in the first place), but drooling retards will always be drooling retards, well, maybe one day they'll get to have a CPU in their head and their brain might work a bit better than now but until then, yeah, most people are retarded, AI isn't changing the equation at all
>>744520779Very well. It counts as one employed person. It's like 5% of the total work force anyway, so they're not very meaningful. Usually it's just someone with a side hustle.
>>744521101ESL, why are you replying to me?
how did they measure that?
>>744521134I'm sorry, are you too much of a nigger to understand basic english?Would explain why you couldn't figure this out in the first place, but feel free to try again, nigger
>>744520854A lot of the people that like AI don't know enough about the field they're using AI in to recognize what it's bad at.
>>744521059So it's really just gatekeeping in the end. They hate Al because it seizes the means of production.
>>744521180See, that's the sad part, the CEO of Shift Up is an artist who's been working in the games industry for almost 30 years, and yet even HE thinks all this ugly AIslop and terrible AI music is good, so no, it's not because AIfags are unfamiliar with the craft, it's entirely because they're AIfags.
>>744521185It's always been about that, when photoshop came, photographers weren't happy. When cars came, horse breeders weren't happy. When the fridges came, salt miners weren't happy. Nothing is new, nothing's different, it's same as usual but it feels like it's bigger because everyone's got a megaphone and there's nothing 'new' to be whining about since 'drumpf covfefe' isn't making headlines anymore
>>744521180Give an example. I work in media production with employed and high paid video professionals, 3D artists and designers - all of us use AI because we know exactly what its good at and what it isn't. Please, educate everyone with your high IQ understanding of its limitations.
>>744521085Their knowledge of AI capabilities is also usually like 2-3 years behind. Most of these retards still think that it can't produce original findings and just repeats stuff. Meanwhile, OAI recently solved some 80yo math problem that none of the autists who do math for a living could figure out.
>>744520854AI requires you to have low standards and dogshit taste, because if you have high standards and taste you have to start manually editing the output of the AI to make it better and closer to your vision - which kind of starts to defeat the entire purpose of using AI in the first place.If you don't manually edit the output, you're at the mercy of the AI randomly spitting out something that's perfect (good luck)
>>744519995>it's about having a sheer vast amount of coomer shit to goonPorn sites have had AI tags for good 2 years now. It was the coomers that first got so tired of shitty AI porn flooding the galleries that they complained to the site owners about it. Only a matter of time until big social media sites also get the AI-filter button.
>>744521323sure you are bud
>>744521185>>744521303>The means of production.The pic is an AI pajeet trying to seize the mean of production from other AI pajeets, trying to argue prompts themselves can be copyrighted. You niggers are no different.
>>744521348two more weeks
>>744521296Yet he's recognized and paid for his talent, while you sit here bitching from mommys basement having never produced anything of value in your life. One of you is objectively worthless, and it isnt the professional playing with fun new tools. >>744521337Its insane how arrogant they are with such a limited and low effort worldview. I truly hate them. >>744521374Wheres the example dumbfuck?
>>744521416What the fuck are you talking about?Why should I give a fuck about your 'copyrights' you fucking kike?How is that in any way different from what I was referring to?Get bent, nigger
>>744521434Steam and Youtube already force AI disclosure. Keep crying jeet, people don't like you spamming shitty slop and making site browsing impossible.
>>744521303>Comparisons to old technology leapsNext you'll say luddite Kill yourself you brown parasite
>>744521447Go to /r/antiai, if you want to have a blast. It's literally peak Reddit.
>>744521521yet you retards cry about those two sites suddenly being unusable because of AI
>>744521521>Steam and Youtube already force AI disclosure.Yeah but youtube's is enforced by a low quality LLM that keeps flagging false positives.It should definitely be disclosed, but there needs to be a better enforcement option in some parts.
>>744521526Considering you can't even seem able to come up with a counter argument and can only seem able to parrot muh fallacies, I'd say there's a very fair chance that you are, in fact, not white, so I don't really feel bad about your jealous bout
>>744521521No one cares except freaks like you who hyperfocus on it, normies all think ai is fun and silly and interesting. You’re a minority and you’ll be increasingly pushed out as you annoy more people.
What does the jeet have to hide if he doesn't want to disclose ai usage
>>744521296>and yet even HE thinks all this ugly AIslop and terrible AI music is good,Him investing his money in the biggest korean chip and AI companies surely has no impact on his opinion about AI.
>>744521646disclosing AI usage is good though because it keeps dramawhores away from you
>>744521570Noted, though I think I’d rather shoot myself, they’re not exactly “people”
>>744520278Don't worry. We'll have Gangster Computer God Worldwide Containment in two more weeks. Then we can prompt Claude to blow up the Three Gorges Dam so Dario Amodei send the rest of humanity to moated Baumol hell
>>744521628>fallaciesWe're not having an argument, I don't respect you or even consider you human. Eat a bullet.
>>744518575chinks are the biggest AI sloppers on the planet right now, their bug population is more brainwashed than western trannies to accept aislop
>>744521646Why are leftists only capable of moving through the world by threatening everyone to do as they say?
>>744521702You'll definitely shoot yourself after reading your first comment section.
>>744521725>waah waah unga bungaDon't care nigger, try keeping the monkey in the box next time
>>744521348>>744521521Porn sites are always the frontier when it comes to future site adaptations
>>744521706I have a PhD in economics and I have no fucking idea what he's trying to say.
>>744521729They’re releasing open source models for free while your faggot leftist billionaire friends try to hold it hostage behind a sub. China is winning btw, eventually all of this will be open source and AI will be accessible to anyone with hardware. This is a good thing, but you’re too stupid to understand any of that.
>>744521606>>744521643>no one cares about spam ads! Nobody has ad filters! People love it when they have to browse 500+ images of broken mutant fingers to find one good image to fap to!This is your brain in pajeet.
>>744521729yes surely the "western trannies" are the more reasonable party in this scenario
This might be the single most "who gives a shit?" thread I have ever seen on /v/Not a single human being expects A.I. to produce quality all alone*. It's lunacy to treat this like news.*Billionaire CEOs have forefeited their human rights and no longer qualify as human
>>744521823>your faggot leftist billionaire friends try to hold it hostage behind a sub.
>>744518254The devs don't have to say shit, Steam and the user reviews will tell you if something used AI.
>>744521830I did not say a single word in that "quote" of yours you mentally ill retard
>>744521896>user reviews will tell you if something used AI.
>>744521823This is probably true. Chink models are lagging behind now, but it probably won't fucking master once the tech over all is more mature.
>>744517982jeetoidbros WILL NOT like this and make even more anti stream threads kek
>>744521881It's essentially just a bunch of people (if we're generous) posting random screenshots from the internet.Do yourself a favor and close this tab.
>>744521903Yes you did. That is exactly what you said.
This is the power of 300 million dollars worth of ai efficiency.
Imagine paying money for some shitty AI made videogame. Why is it all AI faggots are under this bizarre delusion that everyone is going to enjoy their trash just as much as they did. I've never seen a crowd suck their own farts so hard.Nobody wants to see your shit.Nobody wants to buy your garbage.Nobody is interested in your trash can generation.You're having fun running that "local" model, everyone else is rolling their eyes wishing you would go away.
>>744521896>YESS SAAAR AI IS SO BASEDS SAAAR>DISCLAIM I USED??? NOOOOOOO SAAR THAT IS INDIAN GENOCIDE!!!!!!!
>>744518105A.I. game development trash and nobody likes it but you are an utter fucking brain-dead retard if you think "voting with your wallet" is real.If it was real discs wouldn't be disappearing.If it was real paid online for consoles wouldn't exist.If it was real GTA 6 wouldn't be making billions of dollars.You are not just stupid, you are everything wrong with modern video game consumer.Confidently wrong and nothing more than a useful idiot.
>>744521937I don't know why people assume that progress is a constant exponential function without anything else. IT's as if people know just the basics of Calculus but don't know jack shit about Differential Functions.
>>744522001>voting with your walletits real but its like voting in ussryou either vote for kim or you dont vote at all
>>744518289then Timmy can be the AI haven like he was for NFT games, that went super well afterall! sounds like a free win for Timothy to me.
>>744521797Its just pretentious twitter trash >>744521830I will never ever give a fuck about pixiv or the subhuman garbage that browses there. No one who matters will either. >>744521882And? Leftists are the braindead golems who carry out the corrupt governments social efforts. Trump serves israel, none of these people give a fuck about you, but leftists are the boots on the ground retarded useful idiots that defend the system at all costs. Open ai and anthropic and all the rest of the western faggot ai trash is all extremely far left in the way its censored and allowed to be used, because they are the ones in cultural control so that the other arms can work on fucking us over in the background. I hate leftists because they perpetuate all this, and do so smugly as fuck as if they’re on some moral crusade even though all of their thoughts have been prescribed to them through jewish media.
>>744522001>but you are an utter fucking brain-dead retard if you think "voting with your wallet" is real.
>>744521823>accessible to anyone with hardware.Yeah, about that ..
>>744522001voting with your wallet absolutely works, the flaw in your argument is that you think wallet power is equally distributed. a single power spender can support an entire gacha ecosystem.
>>744521995No, everyone is actually just enjoying life while you sot here bitching impotently and no one cares about you.
>>744522089>I will never ever give a fuck about pixivNobody cares about your opinion about pixiv. Point was big porn sites already have AI filters because the site browsing experience was being destroyed by dumb retarded pajeets like you flooding it with shitty AI porn you didn't even bother to check for errors before you uploaded it.
>>744517982AItrannies on suicide watch
>>744522175>No, everyone is actually just enjoying life while you sot here bitching impotentlyYou're here too, nigger.
>>744521337Ignoring of course that it was a brute force solution based on combining several papers and an existing solution being worked on by an undergraduate who had already secured funding based on a partial solution and the "AI" who solved it was fun by a math prof with ties to the project.
>>744522115I have a 5090, not my fucking problem. Go cry about how you want AI to go away because your a broke nigger and see how that goes for you, stupid faggot.
they made a poll amongst game devs at the last game developer conference (GDC). guess what? 52% of them reported that their studio is using AI. """30% of respondents reported that they believe that generative AI is having a negative impact on the games industry, which is a 12% increase from last year. Developers pointed to intellectual property theft, energy consumption, a decrease in quality from AI-generated content, potential biases within AI programs and regulation issues as the main factors behind their discontent with the technology.More than half of developers surveyed (52%) work for companies that have implemented generative AI and one-third (36%) personally use them. Respondents within Business and Finance Roles in companies were most likely to use Artificial intelligence tools (51%), followed by Production and Team Leadership (41%) and Community, Marketing and PR (39%)."""https://gdconf.com/article/gdc-2025-state-of-the-game-industry-devs-weigh-in-on-layoffs-ai-and-more/
>>744522190And? No one fucking cares nigger. Go ahead and enable your little filter if that makes you feel better. Be sure to smirk and say “that’ll show em!” As you click the little checkbox on your porn site in your dark room, alone. >>744522238I’m here because I hate you
>>744518289>Own a business>Consumers tell you they want to know if a game has AI>Customers demonstrate this by not buying AI games>Business gets mad at the consumer spending habitsWhy are video games such a weird industry? Tim Sweeney's opinion on AI is worthless. Who cares if he likes it? The Customers are telling him they don't. Since when did a business tell their customers what they want?
>>744522284>52% of them reported that their studio is using AI.Of course they are. Your company gets instant investment if you merely mention the word AI somewhere. Lot of CEOs thought its a magic wand that just replaces all you workers in an instant.
>>744517982>Make shit game with shit AI to save even more costs>Oh no why is noone buying our garbage!AI can be used as a tool for efficiency, not as replacement for humans.
>>744522350The customers are retarded and will drop GTA and COD if you told them new one had AI
I think AI art looks better than 90% of indie game art. I state this while acknowledging the very rational fear of actual drawing becoming a lost art and corporations being able to dictate what gets created based on their software guardrails. In a world where companies weren't colluding, conniving cunts whose primary goal stopped being money and became social conditioning, I would probably be very supportive of an AI generated future.
>>744517982The real problem is that a majority of indie devs are shit programmers. Therefore they'd probably benefit with AI and not without it depending on the scenario. Outside of the actual Gen AI is the distinction that i mean that they can't even program video game NPC AI or even good enemy AI. It's always really low quality stuff. Good god do people downplay the depths of how poorly made all of those modern retro boomer shooters are. It's not exclusive to that either because it spans many genres that require just a very baseline of competence in which they all lack.
>>744522340>REEEEEEE STOP BEING AGAINST AI NOBODY CAREEES ESPECIALLY NOT MEEEE THATS WHY I KEEP RESPONDING!lmao keep seething nigger.
>>744522394they didn't ask the ceos but the devs who write code, modelize, and texturize.
>>744522001thisyou share a hobby with way too many stupid retard cattle for your vote to make a differencedemocracy only works when everyone is educated
>>744517982>not 100%Game devs are in trouble
>>744522403The thing is, is AI even efficient though? It is pretty alright at documentation and doing a lot of brute force research but it's capabilities seem to be a lot more limited than what AI fags like to believe.
>>744517982>Sure these AI games look worse and sound worse and read worse, but hey, look on the flipside: They still cost the same as any other game!I have no idea why they're failing, truly
>>744517982>games sell less than 53% than non-AI gamesLEARNENGLISHYOUFUCKINGMORON.
>>744522252Nope. It wasn't brute force in the least. The undergrad thing is a different Erdos problem. Read up on it. You are mislead, anon.
>>744522403I’m a human and I’m using AI to make my own game I don’t give a fuck about you or your feelings on it, I’m making it because its fun and fulfilling, and I already have a job, I’m not going to hardcore study how to build a game engine for multiple years so that your fat, entitled worthless ass can then bitch about it on steam in 6 years instead of bitching about it in a year just to satisfy you, you completely worthless fucking loser.
/v/ had a huge topic about that a few days ago.
>>744522429Looking good isn't the problem that AI art has, the problem is that it lacks any kind of vision and coherence. If you have AI generate games and art, you'll end up with an endless sea of Concord-likes.Games that have good visuals, competent mechanics but are so bland and lame that nobody wants to even try them.
>>744522481Yeah, it is. Thats why everyone’s using it. Tough stuff to figure out if you're stupid as fuck though I’m sure.
>>744517982More shocking to me is that there are actual for real sub-humans that buy AI slop games.
>>744522517Tim is objectively correct and being mad about the truth won't change reality.
>>744522420The customer is always right in matters of taste. If they don't like AI, don't use it. That is how business works. I really don't know how this needs to be explained to anyone. So far, people are rejecting AI in the use of video games and film. That might change in 10 years, but for now Steam is absolutely correct to put this in place. I like steam as a product more because it informs me about AI usage and I can make more informed decisions.
>>744522447And they reported the studio was using AI, its usually the top of the company that tells them to use it. Learn to read.
>>744517982But they're probably made 10x faster. And will increasingly be made faster and faster. I spent 2 years working on broken game systems that Fable 5 solved in a week. It's ridiculous. It didn't even keep my code, basically called it trash and wrote it from scratch just based on a paragraph of description.
>>744522537It has both vision and coherence. These are things the artist can direct.Why do you stupid niggers pretend like you know what you’re talking about?
>>744522563>Everyone is using itYet even the gdc thing only had like 1/3rd of the devs actually using LLMs. Skyrim has a 98% approval on steam that doesn't stop it from being shit, do you rely on the consensus to do everything for you? Can't think for yourself? How punk rock are you little chuddie.
>>744517982Grrr... bratty luddites... need slop correction.
>>744522594Unfortunately for you you’re in the minority, most customers don’t give a shit, like at all. They want it cheap and fast. You’re retarded moral crusade against the next trendy thing literally doesn't matter lmao.
The worst, shittiest looking, wokest indie game is a million times more valuable than the best looking AIslopped 'game'
>>744522625I’m making my own shit with AI dumbfuck, I’m benefiting from it while you piss your pants because you’re a stupid loser.
If Gabe didn't force me to disclose AI usage I would be a billionaire.
>>744522694Big "ai can't draw hands" energy.
>>744522671>most customers don’t give a shit, like at all.Did you not read the OP? AI games sell 53% less.
>>744522001>If what you're saying is true, everyone would agree with me.Your first example is also awful because digital sales dwarf physical. It's just even those who buy digital still think having the option is important, especially for local multiplayer games.
>>744522784Have you seen the new stellar blade trailer? It is still inconsistent as fuck.
>>744522759Nah the problem is that Gabe doesn't force AI disclosure hard enough.
>>744522594Or use it without telling themIf they notice enjoy the fewer salesIf they don't you saved moneyBeing forced to announce it is retardedTheres a difference between using AI to gen a game from start to finish and using AI for some menial tasks here and there which all studios do now.
>>744522517What can Linus Torvalds actually do if people who work on Linux remains negative and vocal about AI-use? Can he personally blacklist people from contributing to Linux?
>>744519995Chuds don't play coomer shit, weebs do. As a chud I only play the highest quality games.
>>744517982Fuck ai
>>744522784>Big "ai can't draw hands" energy.
>>744522726It's fucking awesome how much you can do with it in such a short time. I put together some basic productivity apps for work. They save me so much time and repetitive work, it's unreal lmaoYou really have to be a retard not to use it
>>744522823Was it as bad as this?
>>744522825This. I would be totally okay with AI if everyone was forced by law to disclose just how much of it was used in the making of their game or movie or whatever, and places like Steam or Youtube had a 'No AI' toggle.
AI is amazing and will turn any AA game into a triple a.
>>744522537Coherence is something that's actually getting better everyday, especially when you have someone who cares about coherence. There's probably a lot of AI assets that slip by without anyone knowing, and the ones that get caught are the ones that look really bad and contribute the most to this statistic.
>>744517982>non ai game received more comment than ai ones>this mean sales lmaoRetarded bot.>ai games review rating 84% positive>non ai game 88% positiveNothing burger. Op should have been aborted.
>>744518772So why you want this "cattle" attention and money? Why shitting on your own consumers? Maybe consider this first.
Wait until blud finds out that all games nowadays are made using some form of AI assistance one way or another.
>>744522882
>>744522936>why do you wanna sell shitbig mystery
>>744522759Pocketpair hire this man!
>>744521303>when photoshop came, photographers weren't happyPhotographers were ecstatic when Photoshop first came out in the early 90s, Sukhdeep.
>>744522882kek, why not just use the original 3D model to avoid shit like this? Clearly the girl underneath is 3D and their 3D modeler already created her default outfit for her.
Whether or not to use AI is the same as whether or not to use RPG Maker's RTP in your games.People will prefer something amateurish but with original art over something that uses RPG Maker's RTP.This has always been my number one tip for anyone who wants to make RPG Maker games. Create your own tileset and characters, EVEN if they look much worse, artistically speaking, than the graphics RPG Maker gives you for free.
Objectively speaking, most games made using AI are gonna be low effort slop, so this statistic isn't really damning. There are games made with AI that sell extremely well but their smaller proportion means the statistic is skewed against AI as a whole. This stat was published purely to try and frighten people out of using AI but you'll see it shrink to nothing over the coming years.
>>744522759>we have cuphead at home
>>744518289Nice try Tim.
>>744522910EU passed a law like yesterday or something, that requires companies to disclose if AI was used in their product.Maybe this will make things more tolerable but probably not.
>>744522898sovl
>>744523046Oh that's good! Like I said, I'm fine with this shit existing as long as I can just filter it out entirely by pressing a button
>>744518575And then you point out how nobody says shit about China's AI efforts and you just get silence if you're lucky or repeating nonsense if you're not. But these are the exact same people who make climate change half their personality at any given time but never even so much as glance at what India and China are doing. It's just Chinese anti-western social engineering and unfortunately 90% of us are retarded enough to fall for it.
>>744522759>unavoidable damageAi or not, that's devslop
>>744522923>>744522968LLMfags always rely on "Uh actually there is a lot of high quality LLMs that slip past" but like, is this actually real? It is an attempt at "Breaking your spirit" but when a MAJOR FUCKING COMPANY makes a blatantly obvious AI slop music video and they are like people who have a lot of money riding on the adoption of AI, this makes me wonder how good this technology even is. These are the supposed gatekeepers of AI, the people who know how to use it to it's full potential and even then there is constant inconsistency, crummy and average output that even normalfags think is crap. At what point do we actually analyze how practical this shit even is? Is it because LLMs make the people who use it feel clever?
>>744522616Then why aren't the AI "artists" doing exactly that? Why is it that every time something AI generated shows up, it's completely incoherent and lacking in vision?Prove that AI can do it by doing that instead of saying it can.
AI is the punchline of postmodernismno reason to take pride in anythingswindling is just as good as honesty, in fact you're a fool if you don'tand it's only going to get worseI wish collapse would just happen so we can leave this nightmare waiting room we're stuck in
>>744522885Exactly. These fucking morons deserve to be treated like shit and forced into pods. The jews are right about the goyim.
>>744517982"AI games" barely even exist, there's no successful game that uses AI NPCs properly in an interesting way, it was supposed to be a revolution and nothing fucking happened
>>744523078He's just shitposting. Nobody cares about AI code getting stolen because AI companies stole all the training data assets. Its like that one russian piracy group that tried to sue other piracy groups for using their logo without their permission.
>>744523106Why do you care?If AI is so obvious and so shit, then you'll know it's AI and you'll hate it either way, right?Surely, you understand this much right? You trust your opinion this much, right?
>>744520854AI is the perfect intrument for people who have the most basic and surface level taste imaginable. They are incapable of taking a moment to look at the thing they with AI and see just how bad it is. These people have always existed but now they have the means to pump out as much low quality content as they want.
>>744518575>Do my games not sell because I put obvious, genned slop into it?>No, it's the Chinese propaganda being at fault
>>744523183
>>744523192>So what if theres shit on top of your cake? You see the shit is right there so just eat around it, whats the problem?
>>744523024Because then you need to have an animator spend time making this instead of working on the game. You’re fucking stupid though so this obvious possibility doesn't cross your mind.
>>744517982There are no "non-AI" games being released you retarded luddite subhuman. Just games where you notice less AI usage.
>>744523106>Is it because LLMs make the people who use it feel clever?pretty muchit's instant gratification culture applied to creativity
>>744523238>Okay so like, I know there's shit on the cake but I really want that cake so bad I really have to eat it but I'll make sure to tell the baker not to shit on the cake next timeYou have no will of your own, you are a child with no capability to figure shit out.
>>744523192>Why do you careNihilism is cringe. I don't care if I get hurt, I'd rather feel than to be dead.
>>744523192So what's the timeline for when we get that mythical gen AI that is so good that we can't tell the difference anymore? 5 years? 10?
>here's your game, anon>why does it look so bad?>we made it on the cheap-ass slop machine. It saved us a ton of money, time and resources!>I see. Does that mean you're gonna sell it to me for cheap then?>lmao kek
>>744523242>Because then you need to have an animator spend time making this instead of working on the game.Brother I am begging you to use some form of critical thinking here. If THAT got the okay how good do you think the game will be? Any kind of QA would have shut that video down before it ever saw the light of day and shoved it back into the oven.
>>744523117I already prove it every day in a professional capacity. you don’t see it though because you occupy the lowest rung of the societal ladder, you’re trash, thats why. Our circles don’t intersect.
>>744523242>Because then you need to have an animator spend time making thisThe girl underneath is 3D, so there already was an animator involved.
>>744523192AIfags are so fucking pathetic jesus christ
>here's your game, anon>why does it look so bad?>RIIIIDGE TRAAACCIIING>I see. Does that mean you're gonna sell it to me for cheap then?>lmao kek
>>744523308>You have no will of your own, you are a child with no capability to figure shit out.Stop projecting pajeet. I don't buy AI slop, I don't buy cakes with shit on top.
>>744523242The video has no reason to exist though? This was entirely the CEO's personal project. "saving time to work on the game" cope doesn't work here because they were already wasting time AI genning it to begin with.
>>744523319They'll just say everyone is using AI and it's in fact so good right now that you can't even tell. Doesn't matter how Shift Up, one of the biggest AI using AA studios which AI is supposed to be at it's most helpful for, makes low quality shit both for stellar blade and Nikke.
>>744523309That's not what nihilism is or means, this is pragmatism, you're just too ideologically locked into some weird assumption that 'soul' is real or some other retarded concept, and you're not capable of understanding that people are going to do whatever the fuck they want to do, and the only thing you're in control of is if whether you'll spend your money to buy their product or not, your moralfagging does nothing to help you or anyone else, you just look like a retard.>>744523319What?What are you talking about?Why don't you answer the question instead? I don't care about your strawmanning bullshit, just think about what was said and use your grey matter, you're not an animal, well, depending on your skin color that is, how white is it?
>uses AI for the lyrics in the soundtrack
>>744523358>I'm actually a successful member of societyGod, I hate tourists.
>>744523393>>744523426>weakwilled animals throwing themselves against the cage they made in their own headsOh no, don't call me a pahjeet! No! Anything but that!Stupid niggers
>>744523452>They'll just say everyone is using AIYou are delusional if you think they aren't
>>744522846yeshttps://docs.kernel.org/process/2.Process.html#how-patches-get-into-the-kernel"There is exactly one person who can merge patches into the mainline kernel repository: Linus Torvalds."
>>744523454>>744523526>Just accept everything that I forcefeed, you'll get used to itNo
>>744523172Yeah bro I wish I had to break my back over a drawing table for 80 hours a week so I can not afford a house instead of just generate some shit in 20 minutes for the same result. Oh man what a downgrade.
If AI is not a threat then why are you afraid of it?Tick tock motherfuckers. Remember how Phil Fish disappeared? that's your whole development scene soon. Your era of mediocrity is finished in due time. I look forward to the post mortem.
>>744523568Doesnt matter if you accept it or not because its happening
>>744523569>for the same result.
>>744523630Sure, what is your proof then?
>>744523568>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYou've been replaced
>>744523506>take that! You weakwilled animal!
>>744523568NTA but he's saying the exact opposite. He's saying to not accept it if you don't like it.
AI is a powerful tool when used where its good at. So much of people's frustrations are from retards thinking AI is a cure-all that can be shoved into anything.
Not gonna ngl, I think everyone in this ITT is retarded.
>>744523361Not necessarily, that can easily be a shitty phone video of a guy dancing and using a character replacement model instead. I know because I make similar videos. >>744523431Your value hierarchy doesnt matter to anyone. The video exists because some far more important than you willed it into existence. You’ve never created anything of value in your life, have you?
>>744523452Everyone is using AI on the sheer technicality that professional grade software all had AI shoved into it, and the c suite pushes the employees to use it because they heard it's the next big thing. That technicality is meaningless.>>744523454Are you so retarded that you can't infer the answer? If nobody can tell that AI was used in a product, nobody would care. That has literally never been the case, though. This is always about shoddily genned art assets and voices. Nobody cares if someone used AI to write their spaghetti code if it works. Sounds and visuals are different.So, when are we getting AI models that are capable of genning assets and sounds that are not distinguishable as AI? And if they already exist, where's the evidence?
>>744523651Pick any major company, look at their website and see them bragging about use of AI
>>744523687>keeps whining about jeets stealing their jobs>think calling anyone a jeet is supposed to be an insultyou don't even have the mental capacity to figure this much out, how were you meant to survive in the world?
>>744523569Why would I pay you money for pushing the AI button? I can push the AI button myself for free.
>>744523720>You’ve never created anything of value in your life, have you?I made a calculator for my job and my boss sucked my cock about it to upper management and I got a little bonus in my paycheck.
>>744517982Not surprising. Right now AI-usage is correlated with lower quality.
>>744523634Concession accepted. Ill keep using Ai to make life easier while you rage out. We both deserve these different outcomes.
>>744523675And then immediately got rehired because LLMs aren't actually good at art shit. Even normalfag media is talking about how all these companies are rehiring all the fags they fired>>744523693Meh.>>744523698True, it is pretty good at math but since it has no actual way of evaluating output it still needs a human to actually check what is going on.
>>744523770What kind of logic is this? You can also make a game yourself for free but you aren't
>>744523531Damn, that's crazy. Has he ever made use of that for ideological reasons?
>>744517982when i see ai-slop, i assume it's extra sloppy.same as when i approach wegs, you have the bottom of the barrel daz trash, and then you have the ai slop wegs that managed to drill a hole straight through the bottom of the barrel.
If they're not put in effort making something why would I bother engaging with it?
>>744523720>and using a character replacement model instead.So a 3D model somebody else animated. ShiftUp using some shitty mobile phone preset model despite having their own in-house team would be pretty funny though I give you that.
>>744523785Neat, I can do that in about 30 seconds with my local AI agent while playing vidya.
>>744523618>he think contempt and disdain=fearI don't work in software where I have to worry about my retarded bosses thinking AI is a magic machine that does everything for cheap. I dislike it because everything it churns out is dogshit with no exceptions.
>>744523719>in this ITTWELCOME, FELLOW RETARD
>>744523805Making a game takes time and money, pushing AI button doesn't. Thats why AI games don't sell. Just because your brown hands discovered the wonders of microwave machine doesn't mean you're now a Michelin star chef with your own successful restaurant.
>>744523851Thats not what a character replacement model is you stupid fuck. Its an AI model. Jesus christ you’re an actual animal, kill yourself you fucking waste of space.
>>744517982>AI shills in full damage controlLMAO GET FUCKED
>>744523830slop wegs are infinitely better than daz trash and would be better than your microsoft paint art many hgames use if they were ever finished
>>744522784most humans can't draw hands either
>>744523740>If nobody can tell that AI was used in a product, nobody would care.Why can't you answer then?If you can tell, then what's the problem?Why are you whining so hard about people not disclosing it, if you can tell?What the fuck are you even saying, again, use your head and speak like an adult, stop blabbering about pointless meaningless arguments that have nothing to do with this, stick on topic, think.Here's the thing, we both know you're coping about this, we both know you're mad because you know that it's just a matter of time no matter what, and that you're done for and your dream of being an artist has gone to the trash, now, you can either keep whining on here and hope trump happens to be shitposting on /v/ and reads your post with tears in his eyes and decide to ban AI, or, you can grow the fuck up, stop being a retarded animal, and learn some skills that'll allow you to survive in the world that's coming.You people are more braindead than the average AI zealot, it's fucking crazy.
>>744523618oh no no no
>>744523852But have you? Sounds to me like>You’ve never created anything of value in your life, have you?Was just pure projection lmao
>>744523945My point exactly
>>744523909>retard thinks you just type 1 prompt, press 1 button and instantly get a full game
>actually AI is inevitable and it's already everywhere and you complaining about it is actually helping it, but also i really really really really really really really REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLYYYYYYYY want you to stop doing that
>>744517982This is just the beginning. The cracks are gettint too big for the manufa tured hype to contain.Total AI slopper death.
>>744523945I can. But I can't vouch for quality or the number of fingers.
>>744523909My AI game has taken over 100 hours to develop so far and is full of custom art I created with my own ai workflows and photoshop actions It will take months more for all the longterm gameplay systems, unlocks and achievements. The problem with you stupid fucking animals is you think AI just does everything after you press one button, this is a completely false conclusion based on nothing, yet you’ve centered your entire worldview around this lazy retarded conclusion. This makes you a bad person, and makes working against you a noble and moral pursuit.
>>744517982>make low quality product>Wtf? It sold less??????
>>744524021Sh-Sh-Shut up! L-Luddite!!!!
>>744523914The preset AI models use 3D models and then your movements get motion captured before AI filter gets put on top you dumb fucking cretin. Why is it that so many AI pajeets don't understand how their own shilled tech even works?
>>744522828>Being forced to announce it is retardedWhy? You don't like to know about it? Why do you want to be a less informed consumer? If it is unnecessary information to you, then don't bother with it. Some people watch trailers and pre-release streams for games, other people pick shit up cause it has a cool screenshot. I like to know if AI is used because then I look at the price of the product and if it is $60 or more and they're using AI then I have no interest in it.As a consumer, AI must offer me some kind of benefit to accept it. Lower prices is the simplest solution.
>>744524072Hope your game turns out great senpai, and I hope we'll play each other's games once we're done.
AI sissies... does nobody actually want our fucking dogshit?!
Man boycotting truly is so fucking easy when the thing you want to boycott sucks total shit
>>744523358There's no need to lie about something like that on an anonymous image board. Nobody who's successful would be insecure enough to say what you just said.
>>744524021>actually AI is inevitable and is so amazing and is the future, but I will never ever want to label my product as using AI so please stop forcing me to, Steam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>744524072>My AI game has taken over 100 hours to develop so far and is full of custom art I created with my own ai workflows and photoshop actionsNah, you just pressed a button. I won't pay you a single cent, the burden of proof is on you to show me that you are worth paying money for. Customer is always right.
>>744524021>AI is the future luddite!>NOOOOOOOOO DON'T MAKE US DISCLOSE AI USAGE STOP YOUR GENOCIDING US!!!!!!!!1>E-EVERYONE ALREADY USES IT AND YOU NEVER NOTICE SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T MAKE US DISCLOSE ITS USAGE!!!!!!
>>744523956Well, for one, I wasn't the one whining about that. It should 100% always be disclosed, anyway, though, simply because you don't want to find a wealth of shitting AI assets several hours into a game for example.It's wild how hard you are projecting, by the way.
>>744524072>My AI game has taken over 100 hours to develop>It will take months morekinda pathetic
>>744524021I don't! The more retards refuse to use AI the easier it is for me to outperform them. It's like you're offered a superpower and 50% of the people don't get it, while another 30% want to avoid it. This is the best timeline.
>>744517982I really question this. How many studios, especially big AAA studios use this and don't tell anybody?
>>744517982The people have spoken. Nobody wants low effort fucking slop. Everyone is fucking sick of AIslop shitting up ever facet of the god damn internet.
>>744524021Because it's irritating. No one has ever had this much outrage over inevitable technological advancements but the *only* real reason people don't like it is because it threatens their dream to be some DAZ animator or poet.No one freaked out like this over cars, planes, phones, etc. and we've had the concept of AI for almost 100 years but now that we have it suddenly people flip the fuck out and incessantly whine about it all over every form of social media.AI slop is annoying but whining slop is annoying too. Arguably more so.
Damn, redditors really get seizures when you tell them the obvious truth. Everyone's using AI in some way, why is it so hard to accept reality?
>>744517982Yeah but devs make thrice as much as games with AI
>>744524021kek they really come off as extremely desperate, it reminds me of the whole>its not true, and if its true it wasn't my fault, and if it was my fault you deserved it
>>744523980Yeah… I am an employed and salaried 3D animator. Thats why I’m also an AI authority as I constantly future proof my skillset. Its also how I know I’m correct in identifying you as a worthless loser, because if you werent, you would be using the modern tools to your benefit well. Surely you’ve learned a bit of python by now right? How about some javascript? No?
>>744524247Then everyone should just come out and admit it at the same time.
I just think to get the ball rolling we need one more major publisher besides Nintendo that takes a hard zero AI stance.
>>744524204You wont make shit lmao
>>744524204>The more retards refuse to use AI the easier it is for me to outperform them.You guys say this but are you making a product or service on the same level of quality? Like sure, you are more "productive" but are you still maintaining quality parity with your competitors?
>>744524204This. >>744524232You arent people though.
>>744517982>less than thanEnglish, Raj...
Meh. Games that use AI but dont disclose still sell like hotcakes.This is more of a statistic about how retards will flock or avoid something based entirely on labels more than anything.
>>744524242>No one has ever had this much outrage over inevitable technological advancementsWhy aren't you playing all your games in VR right now? Pre-COVID every big company from Facebook, Google and Amazon told you that its the future of gaming and in next 5 years all games are VR and you will buy your groceries in virtual reality. So wheres your VR glasses luddite why do you hate technology?What about your Crypto stocks? Why did you stop investing in Bitcoin and put all your money in AI instead? Whats wrong with you luddite I thought Crypto was the future of banking and in the next 5 years all banks are crypto?
Eventually they're going to make a good game with AI being used properly, like asking a random villager where something is, whats going on or whether they need help. Their answers should be limited to what they could know about, this would greatly improve an RPG like Skyrim if done properly, they could even let you use a microphone to ask questions if they wanted.
>>744524284Then they will lose when others dobt. Its why china is winning the AI race while faggot western leftists tie themselves into knots over their arbitrary moral code that changes every day.
>>744524242Oh anon, you're so close. You're so close to realizing why people reject this 'inevitable technological advancement' when actual useful inventions were never met with such a reaction. Try a little harder and you'll finally understand
>>744524268I'm a chemist bro the extent of AI usage in my field is to summarize emails. My company did try to use AI tools for data analysis but it wasn't reliable enough and ended up wasting more time than it saved because real human beans needed to double/triple check it.
>>744523909>>744523909The problem is that AI has compromised the formula you’re describing(product = time + money).On top of that, the general population is getting dumber, and AI is creating an additional “Dunning Kruger” effect on it’s users. AI is also a trillion dollar industry, yet is still somehow underperforming, but not in ways of advertising to you.What this environment has created, is buyers that are buying AI-made or AI products and services, because of its perceived to cost less, or reduce labor(both debatable points).
>>744524301Its easier than that. Simply ask him to produce something. Anything. Ask him to show his workflow. He will fuck off or do all sorts of mental gymnastics to not show you anything. Because he isnt actually making anything at all, hes a LARPing faggot. And they get really, really mad when they are asked to show any sort of progress becauee of this
>>744524301Yes. My game is very fucking good, because I’m already a skilled designer. I have talent, art direction and design experience, as well as a really solid career behind me full of creative achievement. I worked hard, and now I benefit. Have you?
>>744524301Nigger if quality was important, the industry would be fantastic and I wouldn't feel the need to make games instead of just playing them, what the fuck kind of world are you living in? What dimension is it where video games are good?
>>744524338>why bother cooking just use microwave. People won't tell the difference, whats wrong with fooling your customers?https://youtu.be/HtZtmtiX3Bo?si=xe8GB-ZymzLYlcq-
AI good actually
It is hilarious how many honest-to-God shills there are in this thread. Actual people who work for giant corporations and come here and tell you how to feel and what to do. There is no other explanation than these people are paid.>"Hello. I am the consumer. I give you money for a product.">'Okay we are corporation. We sell you product. Do you want normal or AI product?'>"I want normal product.">'WOW OKAY SO BASICALLY WE ALL USE AI ALREADY SO THERE IS NO REASON TO CARE OKAY YOU'RE A RETARDED LUDDITE STOP BEING A BIGOT YOU PIECE OF SHIT'There is no other explanation for it. Consumers entirely decide what they want and it is up to businesses to provide the supply to the demand. How do you possibly argue with someone who has money in their hand? "No, Actually, you DO want the AI one!" I don't. Just like Classic WoW, you don't tell the consumers actually you want X and don't want Y. This is not a debate, a discussion, or a negotiation. I told you want I want, and you do it or you don't. There is no convincing me to change what I want to use my own money on LOL.
>>744524427Post anything from your game.
>>744524462Actually their opinions are based literally on the fact that trannies dislike AI so now they're pro AI.
>>744524309Youre right, the users of steam have spoken and they say your product is SHIT. You cant dispute it at all. Get FUCKED lmao
>>744524006>nooo we AI prompters are doing meaningful work I swear!lmao
>>744524383Ok? Not my problem you’re too stupid to use the good models and build your own hardware. You deserve to lose, enjoy. >>744524412>give your hostile opposition details on your professional work or we’ll be even shittier to you! Least retarded animal post
>>744524427Can I see some of your workflow?
>>744522114No one voted with their wallet. People just had no interest
>>744524358Explain your point instead of creating a bunch of retarded strawman arguments. I won't engage with it.>>744524368>ai has no useYou're also a retard if you genuinely believe there is no use for AI. It's like saying we didn't need phones because we were communicating just fine with carrier pigeons.
>>744524461>You should like AI cause it owns the Libs!Every thread this bait is laid out
>>744520086Sounds like a nightmare
>whatever, this wasn't made for YOU, chud! We'll simply leave you behind!Now where have I heard that one before? Anyways, don't mind me as I do nothing and your entire grift inevitably collapses, I allow you to blame me for it afterwards
>>744524473>>744524547See >>744524517You can suck my cock, nigger, I sincerely hope you and your family all get debilitating cancer and die in pain. Theres your proof.
>>744524517>Not my problem you’re too stupid to use the good models and build your own hardware.Are you 14? I'm befuddled by wtf you mean by this.
>>744524301I'm not making games, but the quality of my work has increased a shit ton because of AI. Instead of spending time on repetitive shit, I can add more detail or polish the quality of what I already have. Once I'm done, I have a second pair of eyes too look over my work, find sloppy errors and criticize it so that I can make adjustments before I take it to my boss. It's not a replacement for you. More like an assistant, an editor and a mentor (I know, sounds gay, but there's no better word I can find) at the same time. So far the feedback has been nothing but stellar.
>>744524558>>You should like AI cause it owns the Libs!Did you use ai to summarize my post and this is what it hallucinated?
>>744524565>can't even post WORKFLOW
>>744524565HAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT YOU ARE A LARPER THAT OTHER ANON WAS RIGHT LMAOOOOOOOOOOkay that was the last (you) I will give you epic trolling sir.
>>744523967I know you're scared due to how the real online discussions are playing out on X.COM (plus BlueSky) and if there wasn't cause for alarm about a scenario that might affect their professions they wouldn't be currently attempting to organize to form bureaucracies to contain it. We constantly have anonymous indie dev posters on here spazzing out about how worried they are.
I will NOT buy games with ugly black women in themI will NOT buy games with emasculated white menI will NOT buy games made with AISimple as. I am the consumer. Do what I tell you.
>>744524651Okay then. Don't.
>>744524651Found the pedophile
>>744524614>>744524629Why would I ever do anything for you you pieces of shit? I know you’re braindead animals but think real hard about that.
>>744524517A single piece of your workflow would not compromise your project in any way. This is a common practice in gamedev threads, which you would knoe if you ever made anything in your life.You wont post anything because you cany. Because you arent working on shit. Prove me wrong faggot. I know you wont.You will NEVER make anything and Im glad Im getting under your skin by rubbing your face in this indisputable fact :)
>>744524548>People just had no interestSo they voted with their wallets. They took their legs and purses to the anime game booths instead.
>>744522449>i am smart; everyone else is dumbthe true sign of an intellectual.
>>744524651I am the producer, fuck off.
>>744520086There's already too much human-created shit to play/watch, who in their right mind would think adding 20x AI slop to that mixture would be a good thing.
>>744524565See what I mean? He cant do it. Hes LARPing.
>>744524790Oh my god shut the fuck up nerd
>>744518772If AI is being used for such minor things, then why do you need AI at all? The disclosure lets people know how it's being used. If you're really just using it to ask chapgpt questions, then you can disclose that.
>You have to accept it to own the libs>It's inevitable>Everyone is already using it>Everyone actually likes it>It doesn't look that bad>I can't tell the difference>Quality doesn't matter>It's actually super useful for all of these things that I can show no proof of>Obligatory 'you're brown/tranny/commie' ad hominem>Normal games suck anyways>Luddite luddite luddite! (nevermind the actual luddites were right)Any other one I'm missing?
>>744524557>Explain your pointYou post your workflow first mister "indie developer."
For anyone old enough to remember it, this is very similar to the >NO CGI BAD IT ONLY SCIFI MOVIE OF THE WEEK SHARKNADO shit back in the day. As the tech improved, it became nearly universal and now there's no universal condemnation instead of how the tool itself is being used. So much AI discussion is culture war current thing and that misses the point. Meanwhile, megacorp would be oligarchs fight over their proprietary models to be the one with the biggest fiefdom they can sell API access back to all the peasants "software as a service" style. We should be demanding self hosted, censorship free, open source , weight, and training data models rather than letting a handful of monied fucktards run everything high performance. So called OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, MetaZuccbot, Microshaft, and Amazon want you to scream like patreon tranny artists at each other while they pull the ladder up behind them
>Yes AI is infinitely reproducable and low effort.>Yes, I want you to pay for it!>What?!? Y-You wont?!?>B-but... I--- I put so much effort into writing the prompt!!11>okay... if i just... hide my AI usage, people will still pay for my slo- I mean- games...>AI of course is just as respectable as real art, hence I must lie and obfuscate>Wait- W-what are you doing!??!>NOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE AI TOO!!!!>I WAS SUPPOSED TO SELL YOU A GAME>GET YOUR SLOP OFF OF THE STEAM STORE THERES TOO MUCH>I WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY NOT YOU>NOOO STOPHere lies the AI gamedev-- the ease of "work" he found solace in, was his undoing. Infinite games, but no games.
>>744524447>food analogyOh boy.>People won't tell the differencePeople can tell the difference between proper cooking and microwaving frozen sludge though.>whats wrong with fooling your customers?Explain why microwaving is fooling someone.Explain why using AI is fooling someone.
>I'm more productive than (you) ever will be because of AI>okay can we see something you made then?>n-noKWAB
>>744524837Wrong anon, anon.
>>744517982>make shit for 10% of the cost>it "only" sells half as much as normal games>this is supposed to be an own somehow
>>744524651Pro-AI tards get REALLY butthurt when you enact dilligence
>>744524765Don’t care nigger, I’m going to the store and closing the thread. You’re scum, you’re dogshit. I’m not spending a single second exporting a gif of my sprites or anything for you. Stay in the dark.
>>744517982Eh, that will change. AI isn't a fad.
>>744524651STOP IT CONSUMERS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY VOTE WITH THEIR WALLET
Ai is the new asset flip
>>744524365>china is winning a race we don't want to be a part ofoh no, the horror
>>744524642Anon, its literally a trend where companies are rehiring people 6 months later because AI didnt pan out. Its called the AI boomerang. Look it up.
>>744524947Theres no “we” dumbass, stay poor and stupid hope it sucks for you.
>>744524917>running away terrified with his tail between his legs
>>744524917>exporting a gif of my spritesWAIT OH FUCKNO WONDER THIS GUY IS RETARDEDTHIS IS FUCKING CRIS FROM /3/
>>744517982which games use A.I.? it seems likely to me that the data is skewed by the fact that most games out already are asset flips showelware put together in month, so the fact that they are selling less than some carefully crafted indie or AAA game that costed 100 times more to make is not the epic own you think it is
>>744524872>People can tell the difference between proper cooking and microwaving frozen sludge though.And people get angry when they spot AI in a game that failed to disclose it.>Explain why microwaving is fooling someone.They're paying for food they can't get outside of their homes. If they wanted microwave food they would've stayed home. This is something you niggers simply fail to understand.
AIfags fucking despise libshits but talk exactly 1:1 like libshits did 10 years ago when they were pozzing your games.>bro this is the new normal>bro stop resisting everyone is already doing it!>bigot- erm I mean luddite!
>>744520854I just despise how retard golems let the rich turn it into some political shitfight. If it looks like shit it looks like shit, when AI looks bad it looks bad in a special way. But noo, say that and you get paid agents going SAAAR YOU MUST WORSHIPPINGS JUGGERNAUT AI OR YOU'RE A TROOOOON
>>744524917Lmao, you cant do it. Now youre running away like a pussy.Youll NEVER make anything :)
>>744517982I'm willing to bet the statistical analysis and stratification were completely fucking retarded and the 'analyst' is an anti ai troonThe obvious differences in reception around arc raiders and marathon make it obvious consumers dont give a shit
>/v/ bitches and moans about 'soul-soulless' for years>actually, unironically, factually, unarguably soulless slop comes into existance>ummmmmm actually its not that bad yknow..................I know what you are.
at this point, I'm pretty sure the hate for Steam forcing disclosure is the potential of Steam allowing a no questions asked refund period if it's not disclosed and discovered
>>744524917>pajeet runs away after being exposed for the poojeet scammer that he is.Typical.
>>744518638>the Artificial Intelligence tag... has AI games?
>>744524887That was me talking about being productive and someone else about game dev tho. I hope you don't take it personally, but I'm not sharing paid consulting work on /v/ lmfao
>>744524917Holy fuck, that guy really mindbroke you
>>744525019Ask yourself why don't people like lazy asset flip games. Ask yourself a second question, why is it that lazy asset flip scam artists are the biggest and earliest adopters of AI?
>>744519627If everything from now on is gonna be uninspired, sterile and literally generated then I guess this is the end of digital media, everything released before 2020 is as good as it will get
>>744524989there's plenty of "we"100+ datacenters blocked and more all the time!
>>744518367> "Why do women get upset when they have to disclose their body count?"
>>744525030>that failed to disclose itWhy should they disclose it?>They're paying for food they can't get outside of their homes.This makes no sense. People can cook burgers for themselves and that won't stop them from going to McDonalds.
>>744517982If I'm looking for a new game and the thumbnail is AI slop, then it's shit If the art style in the game is just AI-generated slop, then it's shit If the writing is clearly obviously used AI to write and once again, it's shit Nobody is going to spend money and play a game where it's clearly AI slop shit
>>744525017QRD? Who's that? Some /ic/ schizo?
>>744525203>Why should they disclose it?Why do they feel the need to hide it? Nothing to confess, nothing to hide, right?
>>744524954It never changed anything about what i said. You're going to be kicked the curb and there is nothing that can stop it. Good luck with the unions faggot. Your jobs in game development will be eclipsed in our life time.
>>744525017Ew, nope, mines pixel art Also not cringe porn
>>744517982>filter out luck...that's hard to define but okay>...and developer experience and skillThat explains it. You need to compare the shovelware assetflips with AI games so that they even stand a chance.
>>744524301Not that anon but I prompted the armor and transformation model with ai (i created the chaos cloth physics and did some work in blender to fix up the armature and clean up the uneeded verts ai models that are all plagued.) This snippet is old and more an example of what I did last year.
>>744525234This is him>>>/3/1028965>>744525280no, it's pretty obvious this is you
>>744525074It's soulless slop until they think they can use it as a get-rich-quick scheme
>>744525259>hideWhere do you get the idea that they are hiding it?You are STILL not answering my question.Why should they disclose the use of AI or any other tool for that matter? It's a simple question.
>>744525309Doesn't look too bad for early development. Obviously needs some cleaning up tho.
>>744525203>Why should they disclose it?Because customers get angry when they don't. Duh.>People can cook burgers for themselves and that won't stop them from going to McDonalds.Not the same burgers and fast food's edge is (at least was) offering low priced easy food that would be done in 5 minutes, yet they still don't use microwave.Name one Michelin star restaurant that microwaves all of its food, go ahead.
>>744525278>i-i-it will happen!!!Meanwhile in reality, companies are hiring back people because it isnt working out. Also tech CEOs said 90% of tech jobs would be gone by 2024. Its 2026. We are at 3% and its losing ground.Get fucked lol
>>744525356>transitive verb: to keep secret
so if AI makes production more than 53% cheaper it will never go awaythats not great news
>>744525338Ok bro have fun fighting against random bullshit you make up in your head
>>744525017Its always fucking chris, god damn it
>>744520278Yeah anon this is what happens when companies don't give a shit about the quarterly cycle because the future possible gains will outweight current spending.Nobody gave a shit that amazon wasn't profitable for decades for a reason, that's what investment looks like.
>>744525402>burgers>food>mcslopI hate Americans and their food analogies.
>>744525474take care crisyou could always post a workflow :^)
>>744525259>tech CEOs said 90%Elontard =/= "tech CEOs"
>>744525425Oh it will happen buddy i can assure you of that. It's funny because I'm already seeing pixel shit artists complaining about their style being copied and how they predict that they're ruined in their profession.
>>744518575Gamers also discriminate against video games based on race.
>>744522795That's still a lot of sales for a fraction of the effort
>>744524565>>744524738Nice avoidance faggot, did you ask chatgpt to write it for you?
>>744525356>Why should they disclose the use of AI or any other tool for that matter?because customers should be allowed to make informed decisions about their purchases
>>744522001the majority of people voted with their wallet by buying digital gamesThe majority of people voted with their wallet by paying for online The majority of people voted with their wallet by preordering GTA 6All of those are examples of voting with you wallet actually working, and working very well at that. Anyone even have any real examples of something selling poorly but the company doubling down on that instead of giving people what they want. That's the only time you can give an example of voting with your wallet not working
>>744525552
from today forth, all advertisements in EU must disclose their genAI usage if they used it, or face a fine.you can report them with a simple formonly one way to find out if this extends to steam as well..
>>744523225Wow the new Animorphs show by Netflix looks great
>>744525580yeah, for nowthere will be millions of indian AI games no one wants at allcongrats, no sales
>>744525425The amount of money being simply flushed down the drain with AI is just staggering>SoraAI cost 15 million to run a day>Only made around 2 million in revenue for it's ENTIRE time of being availableThis is what they're betting the whole economy on btw.
>>744525381Animations are definitely not my strong point and you can tell where the cloth hardness just stops abruptly. Im more proud of this armor set
>>744521059>plagiarizing slopHow lazy do you have to be to larp TYPING A SENTENCE?
>>744525402>Because customers get angry when they don't.Customers get angry when games are shit and shit games are still made all the time. You are arguing in circles.Why should a dev disclose the use of AI?>Not the same burgersNot the same games. Wow, nice retort bro.>>744525459How is it a secret? Is it a secret when a game uses Godot and they don't explicitly state as much?>>744525593>customers should be allowed to make informed decisions about their purchasesWhy is that information relevant?
>>744517982>Make game with AI>Say I didn't with AI but still make it goodCheckmake transitors..
Quick reminder: the globohom "art" was created by you humans.
>>744525580Spoken like a true asset flip scam artist. Sure bootlegs always sell somewhat, that much is true. Every industry has its parasites.
>>744525673Even if I dislike AI I wish you luck with your project Anon.
>>744524917>BLODY BASTERD BITCH AI IS VERY GOOD FUTURE SAAAAR
>>744525710Quick reminder: endless slop was created by you humans
>>744524834You missed the ultimate defenese:>it's actually only going to get better from here, we're still in the beginning, these are the early days, in 2 weeks/1 year/5 years it will be so so so so good please believe meNevermind that the powers that be have collectively sunk like a trillion dollars or more into this technology and it still hallucinates and can't turn a profit.
>>744525547>it will happenIts been 4 years and multiple tech CEOs have been wrong with it actively going in the opposite direction as of this year. Trillions needed and it still isnt havent replaced even 10% of the tech workforce. Its unsustainable. You have nothing but your seething to fall back on, because the data itself makes you furious.
>>744525678>Is it a secret when a game uses Godot and they don't explicitly state as much?If a game uses Godot, thats generally the first thing you're gonna learn about it because it's one of the first logos that's gonna show when you boot up the game. Almost as if they're not afraid of telling you that!
>>744525536Sam altman said it too lol. Any more copes?
>>744525670You forgot the rest>claim that everyone who used it for free is a potential paying customer>get billions of funding from retarded investors>pocket a good chunk of money and hope you don't get sued for fraud when it all crashes down
The biggest problem with ai is that it rewards the absolute laziest retarded double niggers who think that you can just press generate and all of a sudden you have whatever it is youre trying to make and not that you need to know how to interact and understand what youre looking at. Theres still skill and knowledge in understanding how to make things coherent between gens when it comes to coding/image gen. The amount of absolutely abhorrent looking show fliers for bands i get sent to the venue i help run tells me that people are really fine with absolute dogshit as long as it gets the point across even if it has their fucking bands name spelled wrong. It literally looks better to scribble the bands on the bill in marker on a sheet of paper and send it in>>744523225this type of ai hallucinogen has its place in horror. There was a lot of really cool stuff early on that honestly shit on almost every movie monster/theme for like 20 years now. I wish i had saved some. CGI was a fucking mistake in and of itsself and turns a lot of movies into absolute slop when the illusion breaks on a bad shot.
>>744525670you ever hear the saying "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is"did you actually SEE the 15 million dollars a day it costs to run? or the mere 2 million it's making in revenue? People are always so quick to talk about how fake fiat money is and how companies make up shit numbers an all that shit but when it needs to suit their agenda all those millions and every thing a company says suddenly become realer than anything else.
>>744525678>Customers get angry when games are shit and shit games are still made all the time.And you're trying to argue that shit games are actually good and its the customers who are wrong. You just played yourself you dumb brownoid, good job.
>>744525674Never underestimate the lowest common denominator.
>>744525678>Why is that information relevant?because AI is a controversial topic and there are people who choose to avoid it as much as possible>that's irrationalpeople are allowed to be irrational
>>744525823>grasping at strawsI guess abstract thinking is not your forte.What if it's not Godot and is some inhouse engine?
>>744525673I'll make sure to buy it when it eventually pops up in my steam calendar
>>744525678>it's another "AI is good and perfectly fine, but I would never ever ever ever disclose it's usage please I don't want to, it's totally the same but I just can't disclose it, why do you care so much eat my slop please please please" episodelol
>>744525751I appreciate it anon, the armors are modular which was a huge pain in the ass, but i try to clean up the meshes once in blender. Not perfect but better than what it looked like when I first started.
>>744525947nta but are you comparing game engines to AI?Are you retarded?
>>744525947They're also going to tell you that? Specially if its an indie game, the FIRST logo you're gonna see when you boot it up is 'made with Big Farto engine' or something like that. Y'know, because they are PROUD of it and want everyone to know?
>>744525901>Jim uses a calculator to find out what 8x8 is and gets the answer in 2 seconds>Joe uses a large pile of pebbles and individually counts them out to get the answer in 2 minutes>Jim is a lazy nigger
>>744525947you mean like how every recent Capcom game plasters up the RE Enigne logo?
>>744525673Nothing wrong with using AI in a free tech demo, especially if you're more of a coder than asset guy, AI can be a placeholder for the "art guy" until you find one to work with you. Always cool to see someones learning process anon.
>>744525901>. It literally looks better to scribble the bands on the bill in marker on a sheet of paper and send it inThat would certainly catch my attention in a sea of professional fliers and professional looking aislopBut then my expectations for the band would be higher than usual.
>>744525901Yea. Like AI slop CAN be pretty good. But only if you have the technical knowledge and drive to polish it and make everything good and consistent... in which case, you likely dont need AI in the first place. So actual good usecases of AI is extremely rare because 99.9% of people using AI are uncreative, lazy faggots that havent made anything in their life.
>>744525678>Why should a dev disclose the use of AI?For the same reason they have to disclose third party launchers, denuvo and other shitBecause Gabe said so. Now cry elsewhere.
>>744526051>Jim Al Abn Abdi Abbuadi never bothered to learn mathematics but thinks he's now a super-scientist because he discovered a calculator.
>>744525947some companies keep their in-house engine concealed, nintendo is a prominent examplecapcom or SE or activision tells you it's using RE or frostbyte or whatever
>>744525916Anon if Sora had been successful it'd still be available and not unceremoniously shutdown
>>744526108What kind of technical level of knowledge is needed to make a three way RP between Chud, Akiyama Rinko and futa Malo?
>>744526051>Jim is a lazy niggerYes and he's retarded too
>>744525871>tech CEOs said 90% of tech jobs would be gone by 2024>actually it's the guy who sells the product saying that his product is unreasonably great and not some tech leader consensusCitation needed anyway. Don't worry, I know that there won't be one.
>industry already notorious for cutting corners and putting out broken garbage>let's inject the biggest corner cutting technology in existence to the process>surely, that will make the quality improve, actually it's perfectly reasonable for customers to be wary of more bullshit in this industry
>>744525787If it's not going to happen then why keep replying? the original argument is that if AI is not a threat then why do keep talking about it? why are you always talking about? if this trend is gonna disappear then why is numerous developer twitters/bluesky/mastodon accounts creating blacklists for whether people use these tools? it's a very strange thing to say that it's a fad that they should be unconcerned about thats actively disappearing and then for some of these same developers trying to strong arm anyone into submission that uses a tool.
>>744526273YOU BLOODY BASTARD NOTHEY JUST CAN'T, OK?!?
>>744517982Literally 100% of games released in the past year were made with AI (Claude Code).
>>744526278*why do you keep talking about ittypo
>>744525919>no retortConcession accepted.>>744525943>because AI is a controversial topicSo is a lot of other stuff. Should we disclose all that too?>>744525954I have not defended AI at all. You are seething because I'm asking simple questions that you can't rationally answer.>>744526015>no retortConcession accepted.>>744526043>They're also going to tell you that?That's just play wrong. Vast majority of games don't tell you the engine they are using.>>744526057>whatabout this one instance of it happeningYou forget the 999999 other games that don't do it at all.Why do you seemingly not have an issue with those?>>744526185>some companies keep their in-house engine concealedWow, they are HIDING this, why isn't anyone pissed about this?
>>744526108>ai can be goodWhoa hold on now that goes against the Luddite narrative. AI can't be good at anything and it's just objectively bad and wrong. You, sir, have just lost 10,000 social credit points and you will be deported back to China for re-education.
>>744526051Jim's answer lacks soul, is slop and is enshittyfing everything or something
>>744526185>keep their in-house engine concealedNo, they just use an in-house engine that doesn't have a name. Often they modifiy it between different games to suit their needs.
>>744526084No problem, I have learned a ton and im only getting better. I dont plan on replacing the world assets as only the monsters, armors, and weapons, potions are generated. >>744525951You know it! I'll get the page up soon, I had to spend money on an LLC so I can tie the game to it but ill get it submitted.
>>744526337Cris your 3D models are fucking hideous. Don't quit your day job.
>>744526337>Should we disclose all that too?yes
>>744526043>They're also going to tell you that?some do, most don't.
I will buy AI, I just won't buy GaaS trash with wokie cunts
>>744526278>S-S-STOP REPLYING TO ME!!!Its fun to bully you and call out your delusional shit. You cant refute it, the data says youre wrong. Im glad that this bothers you.
>>744526273Exactly. I can't really think of any silicon valley 'innovation' that actually improved society in the past, what, 20 years? Why should I be thrilled for AI when all it does is enable companies to shovel shit to us for even less effort?
>>744526395Cris stop replying to yourself you actual schizo
Why would anyone pay for an AI game though? It makes literal 0 sense. If you know for a fact the person selling it had minimal involvement in the creation of 90% of the content why would you ever feel obligated to give them any money? Even you actually enjoy the AI slop theres still 0 incentive to actually pay for it.A normal game you buy it because you might you feel the developer deserves compensation for his efforts. AI devs game came from thin air no so obligations to buy it.
>>744526404>yesGood. Why aren't you seething about it then? Feels weird.Can you point me to one thread or post where you were involved asking for devs and producers to disclose that information the same way you are doing in this thread right now?
>>744522846Linus is a faggot who thought Rust was a good idea and banned all Russians over what their government is doing. The OS is called GNU, there isn't even a /Linux anymore.
>>744526278>get fucked by actual metrics>cry about it and demands he stops talking about itAwww poor widdle AIshill got his fee fees hurt. Cry about it faggot
>>744526337>Wow, they are HIDING this, why isn't anyone pissed about this?not really, they just dont have name for it because it's a custom proprietary enginelike, super mario odyssey runs on the super mario odyssey engine.but since you are a mass replier you are not a serious person so I wont comment any further
>>744526337>you can't rationally answerHere's a simple scenario for your chromosome addled brain to grasp:Customer: Hey, quick question before I buy this thing— Was this made with AI?You: Um, why does that matter exactly? Customer: It's a yes or no question. You: Oh my god, why do you care how something was made? Who cares!? Customer: So I take it as a yes, got it. I'll be leaving now.You: NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST CARE HOW SOMETHING WAS MADE!!! CONSUME MY SLOP
>>744525787>it still isnt havent i'm sorry you lost your codemonkey job to AI rajesh
>>744517982kewl
>>744526383You don't have to really replace anything, unless you plan to actually sell the game. If you want to retain an IP right for those monsters, armors and weapons then you have to recreate them manually, right now they are Public Domain as far as the copyright law is concerned.
>>744526337>no retortIt was. I called out a false equivalence. You're just too retarded to understand that.
>>744526437If they were unconcerned about AIs (highly likely) potential of downsizing the industry they wouldn't be mass blacklisting and tracking anyone that uses these tools. The reality is that their jobs are in jeopardy.
ai is greati love aiit can do anything
if a dev makes a game from ai, just use the ai yourself to make the same game for free
I wonder if we'll ever get a public company with the stones to force another evaluation of the Ford vs Dodge bros. decisionso many of our problems would be solved if companies were allowed to tell investors to shut the fuck up
>>744526623>If they were unconcerned about AIs (highly likely) potential of downsizing the industryYeah about that. Turns out unpaid interns are cheaper than AI tokens after all.
>>744526513NTA but here are twoDenuvoSweet Baby Inc.
>>744526503This is the main crux for Pro-AI tards so they need to resort to saying shit like:>AI still requires effort, I had to prompt and use a workflow!! It was so hard!>Why do you care? Disclosure shouldn't be necessary anyway. Who cares how something was made?>It's the future dude, real people are over! Get in early! If you don't care enough to make something, I don't care enough to consume it.
>>744526571>they aren't they just don't have a name for itso give it a name and disclose it if its so important lmao what kind of reply is thisthe point is that nobody gives a fuck about it to begin with while people who are against AI to the degree of asking for disclosures are fucking lunatics
>>744521303>but it feels like it's bigger because everyone's got a megaphoneActually it's because the goal is to make AI do not just one but all of the white-collar, creative, or otherwise not-manual-labor jobs. It'll take the rest after a few more advances in robotics.And no, the whole world being unemployed doesn't mean you'll get paid to do nothing. Communism won't happen. You'll just die. That's actually the whole point. The elites won't need the world to have billions of people anymore.
>>744525901>it rewards the absolute laziest retarded double niggersif a person has an option of using a shovel vs using a mechanical digger, if he chooses the mechanical digger, does that make him lazy? no.you aren't talking about laziness. You're talking about a quality thing.AI just isn't there yet (and likely will never be; considering the amount of human oversight it needs).That being said, people might find other uses for ai. Like what you speak of, where quality isn't as crucial. people just want to know band is in town.None-the-less, it's not "laziness" that's in question. it's quality. and considering this is largely about stellar blade, the quality clearly wasn't there. it was a bad music video.Why Kim thought it was acceptable was the most egregious part of all of it.
I ran this thread through grok and asked who won the argument and it said that the pro-AI users had the most logical arguments.Pro-AI Chad's win *again*
>>744526697DELETE THIS
>>744519806it's not only that, it's also used for malware too.the vast majority of people using ai won't use it responsibly like you, it is used for get-rich-quick-schemes and scams. If you look at s&box, it is dying because aisloppers make low effort games that give them a huge amount of revenue for minimum work.
>>744517982im pleasantly surprised to see this, but i still don't care for majoritarian arguments. Consumers often make stupid choices. Back when good media was still being made, it often wasn't being made to please the most amount of people. It was by forming its own sense of style, winning people over rather than conforming to their existing tastes.If a person lived their whole life in a bunker and the only dvd they had was Boss Baby, they think boss baby is the height of kino. Giving them more boss baby is a safe business move, but if you were to show them The Matrix you'd blow their mind.This is why consumer choices don't matter, i say this as someone who dislikes AI.
>>744526503because you retards still shit yourself in anger when the dev in question even just asked ChatGPT a single question when he made the game
>>744526771>It'll take the rest after a few more advances in robotics.Factories are already minmaxed when it comes to automatization. They're already full of alien robot arms with 20+ joints moving on rails on the ceiling to maximise efficiency and space, so if you see a video of a humanoid robot doing factory jobs, you're watching a scam meant to fool investors.
>>744526178>>744526237>brain dead luddites forgot Joe couldn't do it too but are so seething and blindly hate technology that they'll just ignore Joe because it doesn't help their propaganda
>>744526771>You'll just die.Because that worked everytime it happened in history, right?
>>744526701>Sweet Baby Inc.That's an interesting one.The average anti-AI sperg is a massive leftyretard autist that probably argues wanting a Sweet Baby Inc. disclosure is fascist yet wants a disclosure on AI usage.Pretty sure Denuvo gets disclosed though, in Steam at least.
>>744526617>no retort againConcession remains accepted.
>>744526802I ran mine on claude and it said that the Anon that made the 744526802'th post on /v/ absolutely loved the feeling of guzzling cum and lettin it drip down his throat. It was very illuminating.
>>744526697
>>744523828yes all the time. he grew up in a marxist family.https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wiB6FJknDC5PMfpkg4gZrbSuC3d391VyReM4Wb0+JYXXA@mail.gmail.com/
>>744526795anon it takes less than 10 minutes to take a close up picture of a fence, mud puddle, a meme, fuck it up in gimp/ps so its eye catching and then slap band.png on the front with event details. its lazy
>>744526956>Joe knows he's dumb>Jim pretends to be smart with a calculator
>>744526697OH NO NO NO
>>744526771..?And?What point are you trying to make here?'Everyone should live, you have a prerogative to stop using technological advancements because there's a risk that people will die!!!'You seem to misunderstand a lot of how the world works mind you, so let's try to unravel your very superficial view of it; UBI will happen, you can communism, or socialism, or whatever, I don't really care, it was obvious from the start that it will happen, you can try to slow it down, you can screech about it, but it will happen, people will be phased out and automation will take over, we just got LLMs a bit sooner than most expected but that's not the matter of the issue.So, now, you're going to get a world in which a lot of jobs are going down the drain, supposedly, all jobs will, because robots will be more efficient (well, depending on what the job is), now, those companies, where will they get their money from if everyone's unemployed?Right, so, companies themselves have a prerogative to make sure that you, the retarded useless bum of melaninated skintone, have enough disposable income to spend on their product. Meaning that they will want to, and they will lobby governments to force UBI (or whatever other name you want to give it)Is it going to suck for you low effort people? Yeah, it's going to suck for a little while, but, I'm okay with that, because I sure as fuck am not naive enough to think a world without AI will be better than a world with AI.
>>744526614Theyre not, or at least that is what im told. I was under the impression the generation is pulling references i dont see or own, but meshy states so long my prompt doesnt infringe its ok. Not taking chances though
>>744527064
>>744527103Hey Joe how's it going
>>744526956>look at my strawman that depicts you as retarded and me as geniuslmaoHere's Jack. Jack knows how math works and knows what 8x8 is. Jack causes you to seethe and cope.
>>744526576>never repliedI accept your concession
>>744526697Literally every AI company is going to end up doing this or they won't be profitable btw, so all you AI fags making shovelware in the thread better save your money up
>>744526972>leftyretardIt's bipartisan issue, though it's interesting how conservatives are for accelerated progress and progressives are for conservatism and taking things slow on this matter.
>>744527076>>744526795meant to add this. The amount of gaudy, ugly as fucking sin flyers ive gotten like this in the last year are insane.
>>744526972>Pretty sure Denuvo gets disclosed though, in Steam at leastAnd AI assets too :)
>>744520086>have an ocean worth of human made content>”yeah but what if we flooded the entire planet with liquid shit?”Who is this meant to appeal to?
>don't use AI>AI schizos still find supposed AI use in the game and call for you to disclose something you didn't doI'm surprised devs give a shit, even more so when it's obvious goystumers will feast even on the sloppiest slop.
>>744527235There is something so viscerally disgusting about the way AI generates typefaces. It's this gross overly "averaged" font, that just doesn't look right at all.
>>744527235Jesus christ
>>744527156No no, I didn't mean your assets are breaking copyright, you're safe on that front. I'm saying AI creations are Public Domain by default. So you don't actually own them, anybody taking a look at your code can use them for free. So if you want to prevent that from happening you need a human being to recreate them. Of course you don't have to if you don't care, then they're basically common license models.
>>744527292>liquid shit>Who is this meant to appeal to?The answer is right there, starts with the letter I
>>744527195Actually the example showed both are retards that can't math and need tools to help themselves.Think harder, sweetie.
>>744519364>verhulst curve?hold on let me grok that
>>744526938I wasn't claiming the robots would be humanoid. Such a design wouldn't be optimal for much, except perhaps sex bots for those who would actually get off on merely dicking a human shape as opposed to being intimate with another human being.
>>744527292um, did you read the ceo's name lol
>>744527035https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
>>744526842what if they watch the matrix and still think boss baby is better
>>744527278AI disclosure is not obligatory in Steam. Denuvo is because it's technically a third party. Same with Uplay or those other launchers.
>>744527132> I sure as fuck am not naive enough to think a world without AI will be better than a world with AI.what makes you think that though?where are the benefits of this generative AI? cuz so far AI has not made my life better.
>>744526961At what other time in history was a technology threatening to take all jobs?
>>744527462Did you use aiIt can't make your life better if you don't use it...
>>744519364>errmmmm acktually I bet you never heard of Ligma's paradox therefore I'm right>heh stupid ai users
>>744527439see>>744527035
>>744527369Check this but I could be wrong. This is what is confusing honestly.
>>744527483Industrial revolution
>>744525526Nope never gonna happen here, but you’re going to always be a little botch loser with no skills, talent or income and you deserve it :) Ill also never stop shitting on you in these threads, I sure hope you didnt expect me to just go away because you’re being an annoying dishonest fuck.
>>744527132>getting this defensivelmaoI wasn't telling you what to do or what to think. I was just explaining that you will be unemployed, will not get government handouts when there is literally no work, and will likely starve. If you think that's for the greater good, then have fun.>>744527596Not even close.
>>744522001This. People don't say that "voting" with your wallet just means abstaining while anyone with enough money to piss away can cast as many as they want.
>>744527670yeah yeah, love you too cris <3
>>744527462What are you saying?I don't give a fuck about the meme buzzwords you're trying to use here, 'oh but omg look it makes slop pictures', what?Fables allows me to do the same job in less time, it's that simple, it's 200$ and allows me to do what would usually take me a week to do in a few hours' time, why would I not want this? Why would I want to think this is a bad idea?Most of you anti retards don't even understand what AI is doing or how people are using it, you just saw a couple of indians on twitter making meme posts and you're out and about spewing buzzwords like it matters, you're obviously retarded and, most likely, not 18.
>>744527573Yeah the top one is iffy, US courts already ruled AI generated songs are automatically Public Domain unless theres "meaningful" human involvement in the production. You're basically paying them for nothing they can enforce in the court.
>>744527670>being obsessed with fucking Cris out of all peoplethe absolute state of (You)
>>744527596>ended up creating so many jobs even kids were working in factoriesHow many people were laid off from the industrial revolution?
>>744527516yeah I occasionally use it to translate memes in japanese or somethingbut that hardly makes up for having to sift through the slop in every aspect of (online) life
>>744527696>then have fun.I am, don't worry about me bro :)
>>744527746>US courts already ruled AI generated songs are automatically Public Domain unless theres "meaningful" human involvement in the productionBased. Source?
>>744527461>it's not obligatory if you can lieIt is. If the game has any AI-generated assets then they have to be disclosed or players can report the dev.
>>744517982>Games from developers that admit to using AI sell worse worse than games from developers that lie about using AI Hmmm...
>>744527718>Fables allows me to do the same job in less time, it's that simple, it's 200$ and allows me to do what would usually take me a week to do in a few hours' time, everyone says AI is this great gift to productivty but where is the result? trillions down the drain and where is the breakthrough application, masterpiece game, significant art?
>>744527839It's coming saar two more weeks
>>744527706>>744527750Ok trannies, remember everyone hates you and you deserve to kill yourselves and you just cant stop losing. AI won and so did the right wing, your entire belief system is fake and no ones buying it anymore lmao. Generational failures.
>>744527483You're getting too specific.You should ask "at what other times in history were many people left to suffer and what happened then?"
>>744527746I agree with you though it makes more sense to make them myself especially if the government overrides what the company thinks they can say.
>>744527808And why would they listen to you? I can clean up any ai remnants in the code and there’s nothing you can do to prove it was made by AI, you’ll just look insane and will be disregarded.
>>744527718Oh dang so it actively makes life worse. If you had to work that much you wouldn't be doing free marketing here! Think of all the lives you would improve by doing literally everything else instead of poorly marketing on a mongolian goose riding board...Actually, why aren't you suing Fable to make a project that could retire you early? If you have time for 4chan you have time to spin another agent.
>>744527839>breakthrough applicationmathsalso anyone pulling art into any debate related to AI is a retard because art in itself is heavily subjective
>>744527918>still never posted a workflow>probably doesn't even know how to use the thing he shillsdepressing
>>744527803>https://songbay.co/sell-ai-songs/>"The U.S. Copyright Office — along with most copyright authorities worldwide — has confirmed that entirely AI-generated works are not eligible for copyright. Such works are typically considered public domain."Translation: Using AI in sound sampling allows you to own the rights to the song, pushing AI button doesn't. If someone just takes the AI song and spreads it everywhere for free, theres nothing you can do about it.So lets say you want to copyright your black knight dude, you have to have a human being recreate the whole armor manually and now you own the whole thing. If you don't do that, people still can't just rip your rig but they are free to use the model and the same design. Theres lot of gray area still there.
>>744527974using*
>>744527808>it's not obligatory if you can lieWhere do you get that from what I said? Last time I heard there was no obligation about it, it was optional.Maybe it has changed in the last few months but I'm not enough of a schizo to keep track or even really give a shit about it. My bad dawg.I don't get why everyone here is so worked out when it's obligatory, lol.
>>744527956Oh yeah definitely. Do them yourself if you can thats the best option. Thats what all big companies are doing even when they're testing AI in production.
>>744527696>Not even close.Only in hindsight >>744527760plenty of people... the whole luddite thing... Artisians all got no work because factory could so everything better... In 150 years they'll be saying he exact same thing about AI right as everyone goes to their jobs like normal. >but what jobs will they havehow the fuck should I know, they didn't know in the 1800s that there would be people working as drone pilots or videogame designers or streamers or SEO or whatever else you can think of. Yet they exist. Crazy how history repeats itself and people can't see that
>>744527973hey budyou gonna retort this?>>744526576
>>744527996yeah we got some math proofs for niche research problems, riveting.or should I root for AI to solve the prime factor problem and our entire digital infrastructure becomes invalid overnight?
>>744524565KEK, look at the AIfaggot running away
>>744528000>still thinks he's a human being >still feels entitled to be served by those he constantly attacks I would literally do anything if it meant your life would get worse. The only thing I want is for you to continue to flail around and suffer, and I don’t need to post shit to ensure that outcome.
>>744527839Holy shit, do you even understand what you're saying?I'm not sam altman, this isn't my company, I don't give a shit how much money and how they're wasting it, it's R&D and it's manufacturing and it's estate buyouts and whatever else the fuck, it's not my problem, they give a product and I use the product, how is that so hard for you to grasp?If they go down the drain, it's not my problem because another one will pick up where they left off, that doesn't affect me other than having to subscribe to someone else rather than anthropic.You can try all your bullshit appeal to subversive and subjective opinions, and that doesn't change a thing because I don't give a fuck what your nigger ass think, bro, and I never will, and you know what? It's okay if you don't care about my opinion either.But to say that people are spending so much fucking money on these tools, and try to claim that 'uhm ackshually it's all fake?? like duh, I don't see it!', how the fuck are you even alive?
>>744527974NTA but I'll accept your concession on his behalf
>>744527974>I bet you're just a shillOkay, not really my problem bro, enjoy the screeching
>>7445278392 more weeks
>>744528090No, in fact I’m not even going to read it. >>744528103Still here
>>744528162ah, because you can't retort it. Got it. I accept your concession bitch boy
>>744528091>n-no those few times where AI solved problems that mathematicians couldn't solve don't count!yeah whatever fag
>>744528121it's not necessarily fake, but it certainly doesn't feel real when no AI company can run a profitable operation and they're offering their products at unsustainable rates in the hopes they solve AGI and become infinitely valuable overnight
>>744527973>"it's not obligatory">it is>"w-well, I can lie about it and Steam will never believe you if you report me!!1!"Goalpoast moving and sperging out?
>>744528258it counts as much as when humans previously solved niche math problems: most of the time, not at all
>>744528215You’re piss poor animal tier “argument” isn't one, and I don’t consider you a human being, so you can fuck off.
>>744528259>they're offering their products at unsustainable rates in the hopes they solve AGI and become infinitely valuable overnightthey're offering their products at unsustainable rates because they want as many people to use their products as possible so that they can further train their models in order to not get left behind by their competition
>>744527973>holds a purely indefensible anti-consumer standpoint with no legs to stand on>still squirming around and trying to get around that (and failing)
>>744528051Anon, it's obligatory since January 2024.Pretending to not know doesn't make you look less retarded.
>>744524887It's been like 5 years and they still can't show one not funded or produced by an Anthropic employee study that actually explains what the point of this shit is
>>744528262Whatcha gonna do about nigger? >>744528383You’re right, I’m anti you. You are a worthless NPC and the world would be better off if you were dead. Anything I can do to make life worse for you is a positive for me.
>>744528370and so far "not get left behind" means "we gotta lose as much money as all the other guys"
>>744528319sorry but It does count as a breakthrough even if you don't care about it.
>>744528345if it's a piss poor arguement, go on and retort it. Don't worry buddy, I'll wait. I know it takes a while for your neurons to fire.
>>744528157Didn't say that but we can move on to the big cheese question:>Actually, why aren't you suing Fable to make a project that could retire you early? If you have time for 4chan you have time to spin another agent.>>744528084>replaced by cheap, unskilled labor and machinesHoly shit so it's literally the leftist lowering the bar and pushing for immigration>wide-frame knitting machines and powered looms—used to cut wages and exploit child laborDamn, maybe the luddites were onto somethingRegardless of the entire convo up till now, how do you feel about Project Panama? Good? Bad? What's your take on it
>>744527973>What if I just scam people, what then?And there it is, the reason why people hate AI pajeets.
>>744528387>I'm a chronically online loser so you must be one tooYeah ok lol. I don't even get where are you trying to go with this.So in Steam you have the obligation to disclose the use of AI. Okay. So? Like what exactly do you think I'm arguing about if you think this is some kind of gotcha?
>>744528051>"what, you actually know what you're talking about?">"you did a single google search? fucking schizo">"I don't even give a shit, not dawg, I really totally don't"make it less obvious, faggot
>>744528259That's because you don't understand how businesses work, this is a field that promises so much that everyone wants to invest in it, and because of that, it's so competitive that you HAVE to run it on a loss and develop it as fast as possible because you want to have the control of it.Look at it like this;You're notch, you're making minecraft, you're still in beta, the game's doing ok, you're making a profit. All of a sudden, a dozen other games like this (and promising more or less the same experience, being more or less a clone of it) pop up, suddenly your margin goes down and people start playing those other games because they're developing faster or maybe they added a new feature that people want, doesn't matter. What do you do?You can see that there's a huge market here, you can see that people would probably love to play your game if it was just a bit better, so do you risk hiring an extra couple devs to accelerate your dev'ing and adding more features faster, or do you just... not do that?'but we're talking about billions of dollars'Yes, and how much do you think the CEO of whichever AI company that will still be there in 10 years' time will be making on a yearly basis?I don't mind being somewhat skeptical about how much or how fast AI will advance, but you're talking about scales and terms and, really, a world you simply do not understand.
>>744528162Oh? But you said you were leaving here >>744524917So, you ran away from the argument because you were losing, pretended to leave, then stuck around to seethe? And then when I made fun of you, your fragile ego couldnt handle it.Legitimately fucking pathetic lol
>>744528463Its literally everywhere, but you’re an obese ugly dumbfuck who lives on /v/ and demands the world spoonfeed you, and then when this ridiculously entitled expectation is laughed at, you use that as proof that you’re correct, rather than realizing you’re an insane inconsequential freak no one gives a shit about. Blow your brains out.
>>744522517So the whole luddite psyop is this guy spamming these threads/boards with Epic indians?
>>744528468Don't shit your diaper on the way out!
>>744528470I'm sure you were on the edge of your seat when humans developed a math proof showing tic tac toe always ends in a draw when played optimally a couple years agocuz that was another "open research problem"
>>744528519kek >>744528535you completely and entirely are that kind of faggot"must be a loser since he knows that thing that's been going on for 2.5 years"come on you sperg
>>744528471Its not even an argument though, theres nothing to retort. Its the equivalent of a child throwing a fit, fuck off. >>744528475Just because you get emotional about which tools they use, doesnt mean its a scam. >>744528576I’m back from the store. You can tell because I was gone for 20 minutes. Didn’t read the rest btw.
>>744528620>"open research problem"one that was considered irrelevant, unlike the math problems solved by AI
>>744528474>>Actually, why aren't you suing Fable to make a project that could retire you early? If you have time for 4chan you have time to spin another agent.Why are you shitposting on 4chan instead of making money? Why aren't you digging holes or building something? Why aren't you a plumber?Why are you so retarded that you can't even seem to understand how stupid your questions are in the first place?I already have 6 agents running right now, 2 on one project, 4 on another for a different company, and I'm chilling and making fun of you retards while fable does my job for me.So, why aren't you making money right now?
>>744528519>you think this is some kind of gotchaNo, but it makes you look incredibly stupid though.
>>744528632Again, ok, it's obligatory to disclose it.So? Get to the point.
>>744528604What? Why do you think this childish shit makes you win? This is toddler level behavior. Fuck you faggots are complete losers its insane.
>>744528556I understand perfectly how businesses work. You've just completely bought into the AI delusion that there's a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow. What trillion dollar problem does AI propose to solve? And who's going to be paying for it?Consumer adaption is slow and generally not where the money is anyway. All business projects have been somewhere between underwhelming and complete failure. >You can see that there's a huge market here,Can we? Is there a market that is willing to pay enough to somehow make these trillion dollar investments profitable?
>>744528719>unlike the math problems solved by AIpost it and it's applications
>>744528469>we gotta lose as much money as all the other guysa very simplified way to say "paying (You) for training data" but I didn't expect anything less from this board
>>744528675>Just because I lied to my customers doesn't mean I'm a scam artist!Nigger logic in action.
AI brosWe won
>>744528789No one needs to validate why the trillion dollar technology is valuable to your fat, unemployed seething ass on /v/, freak.
>>744528725see>>744528741You need to calm down.
>>744528858Well nobody is validating it to anyone else either
>>744528816Theres no lie, I just don’t give a shit about your gay outrage over using a tool that lets me not break my back to satisfy you for your $5, you entitled piece of dogshit.
>>744528808Erdős problems>applicationsyou asked about "big breakthroughs" though
>>744528903Yeah they are, thats where the trillions of dollars of investment are coming from, actually. Thats actual validation, not you, no, you don’t matter at all and never will. Try to keep that in mind going forward, stupid nigger.
>>744528720Bro, if I had a miracle machine I would not increase my competition. Also, Sunday my guy, you're from Bangladesh or something? LmaoAnyways, if you have time for 4chan you have time to spin another agent.
ITT: Luddite crybabies seething
>>744528946#1 not me#2 you said irrelevant ones don't count, if there are not applications of it then it's irrelevant
>>744528675You didnt go anywhere lmfao
>>744528789>there's a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow.How can you not believe that..?Just in the medicinal and physics fields alone, AI allows to push boundaries that would otherwise take months or years of research to do, literally just use google bro, I don't care, you're obviously too far gone and thinking 'omg sloppa' as if it's any fucking different from all the slop you've been consuming your entire life.>No it's not a huge market, people definitely don't want robots and AIs that'll do all their shit for them, no actually wall-E is a parody of the future and the people that watched it don't want to be those fatsoes on the spaceship being happy doing whatever they want, no, actually uhm, you see, people love working and doing shit hahaNonsensical, illogical people, keep listening to your feefees like a dumb animal, I guess, idk, you'll die before I do no matter what.
AI alpha males: 82865059271008Luddite cavemen: 0
>>744522846>>744522517>>744523531>>744526535Linus is a well-known CIA and Mossad plant and on top of that a virtue signaling faggot. He is a liability got Linux, we should acknowledge his past contributions but now is the time to ditch him
>>744528997If he has 6 agents running he has time to shit on your stupid ass all day
>>744528997>if you have time for 4chan you have time to spin another agent.A person does not need to be productive for each second of their life unless they're at work
>>744528858valueable ≠ profitable ranjeesh>spend trillions on technology >now need to make a over a trillion to justify its existence>uhhhhh we can... uh.... make it generate videos... uhhh... do coding?>still costs money to run despite huge initial cost>need to monetize it out the ass for profitability, thus defeating it's entire point, which was lowering costs >will likely never turn a profit in the investors lifetimes, which is no buenocool!
>>744529065AI has obviously applicationsgen AI, which makes up the bulk of this hype (and funding) is a meme
>>744528997You're a neet aren't you?When was the last time you had a job? Did you ever? How does your mom feel about that?
>>744529051Ok? You cut off your dick and are bow a fat ugly tranny. What else should we proclaim about each other based on absolutely nothing?
>>744529049>if there are not applications of it then it's irrelevant and no-one cares even if mathematicians disagreeok cool to see that you're shifting the goal-posts on your boyfriend's behalf
>>744528946No, he initially asked for "breakthrough application, masterpiece game, significant art", see >>744527839Breakthrough in this case is an adjective of the noun application. Though it can be used a noun it wasn't in this context.
>>744529068This>>744529112Stop trying to appear intelligent, you’re not.
>>744529013>>744529068Here we see the Pro-AI poster's desperate move-- he no longer replies to others because he is seething and has no arguements to make. All he can do is scream into the void, insisting that he's a chad, forgetting of course, he is on a mongolian basketweaving site.
>>744528946Just looked it up, apparently it copied the solution for #728 from a book from 2014. It's propaganda.
>>744529205not really relevant on page 10 but it was meant to describe a general program. you know, an application. most AI fags are codecels bragging about how productive they now are and yet I see no spectacular applications as a result
>>744529113But even that isn't wrong, the will smith eating spaghetti meme completely shit on your argument here>but it's not good yet???????????????Maybe you're too young to understand how technology works, but back in my day, when there ugly ass low poly, 240p and below games released on the ps1 or n64, I was blown the fuck away and thought 'omg this look like real life!!!!!', and look at what we have now.You seem to not have the mental capacity to deal with such hypotheticals, thoughbeit, so I'll leave it there.
>>744529238You are a pedophile and one day your CP folder will be found and you'll get put on a registry.
>>744529107See >>744529092Then he should be working>>744529128If being neet means not working the weekends and ballwashing your boss's balls sure. Words kind of lost meanings with you guys.Also damn, all three of you are so mad over my 1 reply lmaoooOr did I anger you so much you just had to prepare three responses on different devices? so pathetic lol
>>744529238You’re annoying, stupid, argue dishonestly and in bad faith, constantly make completely baseless claims, have zero experience or understanding of technology, and are obnoxiously arrogant and aggressive about it. Thats why you’re ignored. The sinple truth is youre just wrong bro, its ok, but its time to accept it. Hope this helps.
>>744529170post anything showing that mathematicians agree that's not just the openai article claiming it
>>744529330>filthy NEET whining about how people workBig yikes
>>744529304The Pro-AI poster feels cornered and scared, resorting to random attacks, praying that something will stick. His insult of choice-- likely projection-- does not work.
>>744529282nta but there was also that buzz with the jacobian conjecture from a month ago
>>744529282Just looked it up, and it looks like thats bullshit. Next cope?
Ai-fags are all so fucking pathetic
>>744529330>Then he should be workingWho the fuck works on sundays?
>>744529330What part of “my agents do my work for me” is super difficult for you to understand?
Ai brosWe won again
>>744529332And here we see his buddy-- likely just the same poster on a phone-- crying. It's quite a sad sight, but such is life on a board.
>>744529304>>744529332You are mentally ill
>>744529140You are so mad because I called your ass out. You arent making anything and you are seething that everyone shit on your LARP. Now you got caught running away. Poor widdle babby :)
>>744529391You'll be caught, pedo. You're life is already over.
>>744529443Surely if you say it every 3 minutes in every ai thread forever it will eventually have some kind of effect.
>>744529298Yeah, and he got fixated on the word "breakthrough" that he assumed the adjective was used a noun. Instead of "breakthrough application" he focused on "breakthrough" then refuses to elaborate on what he was actually asked: Classic case of deflection, typical of aijeets
>>744529507Seems to work if it makes you seethe
If this thread was a real place it would reek of shit vomit and blood
>>744529473>>744529489>>744529505>>744529509See >>744529332
>>744529506The Pro-AI poster continues his projection-- despite it's inefficacy. There might be a language barrier causing issues, but it's best to keep some distance. His kind is known for flinging poop.
>>744529397>n-no you're just lying!Kek
>>744529451see >>744529453 >>744529390Hope you get that promo bro. Though I would work on a personal project if I had a miracle machine. Guess we both don't have it :)
>>744528029Ha, nice. It was nice chatting with you anon!
>excuse me, chef, did you use a spatula to make this food?>you did??>wtf I'm not eating this soulless slop why didn't you tell me about this!!Luddites
>>744529542>hah! I’ll win by making you mad! I don’t need a point or actual argument, I’ll just be annoying Yes that works if you’re 6.
>>744529629why are you getting mad then?
>>744529613Bro I already bought a house in a year's work and I make 90 an hour, I don't need to make that much money lolI guess I did want that new bmw, so you know what? I'll spin another agent, for you!
>>744529694Why’d you cut off your penis? Did you seriously believe all the retarded leftist brainwashing? Lmao freak
>>744529565I accept your concession on behalf of all anons
Another victory for the AI bros.I'm actually getting tired of winning (I'm not but I want to say that to emphasize just how often we win).
