Gamers seem to really hate the Chosen One trope as if they don’t fantasize about being the prophesized hero of legend, whos presence compels the entire world to gravitate towards him.
>>745861997why yes i too am a narcissistic manchild how could you tell?
>>745861997They hate it because they can NEVER be the Chosen One or an important person in life due to a combination of bad personality traits and shit genetics.
>>745861997Naruto is the least chosen one of out those other chosen ones
>>745861997its fucking boring, overused, and a lazy way to make the main character important >>745862068FPBP
>>745861997The Chosen One trope is boring. I prefer to be a nobody who made it with grit and a song in my heart.
>>745862325Why not both? A nobody that finds out he's the chosen one
>>745862287>communist hands typed this
>>745862459eh, that's still just the chosen one at the end of the day. it CAN work if you spin it as the protag definitely not being the chosen one but just forcing their way in through sheer grit, though.or i guess you could also do it akin to dark souls where "the chosen one" is just whatever dipshit happens to pull it off first.
>>745862459Because then they'd just be the Chosen One. Most stories have the Chosen One not know that they are......the Chosen One. So having both is playing the Chosen One trope straight.
If you already know you are meant for greatness, why should I or anyone else be surprised or amazed by such exploits? It's like betting on a race you already rigged and then acting like winning is still an accomplishment or something worth praising or being excited over. You are just giving yourself a fantasy participation trophy + cheat codes or uber rich parents who try to buy your success.
>>745862769>"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear."
>>745861997It's the writing equivalent of Bethesda essential characters.
>>745862769you can still choose to do nothing
>>745862769this it's like being a nepofaggot nothing is earned and everything is granted making you a soulless weak bitch
>>745861997I don't mind being the Chosen OneBut if I'm the Chosen One, there better a bunch of other Chosen Ones too, and we all better fight in a battle royale
>>745862287Who are you quoting?
>>745862231No, he was always the chosen but the story pretended it wasn't the case.He is the most chosen one of them all.
>>745862325>I want to play as a nobody >but not the one that dies in a ditch >he still has to solo armies kill aliens wrestle gods>no special training just uhh determinationthis is even more of a power fantasy
>>745861997I don't mind the chosen one story if it's actually built up like that, but if the game says one thing and then does the other, that's when people call bullshit.
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>>745863796i know who you are
>>745861997Isn't Luffy the only actual chosen one of those 4 though?
>>745863827I like how Elden Ring did it. Instead of a chosen one, you are part of a group of chosen people
Any chosen one stories in vidya that do it as well as Morrowind?
>>745863945No, Anakin was made by the Force to bring balance to it. Like, it actually knocked up his mom so he had a mission before he was even born.You know, until the Sequel trilogy ruined that, but that's not why we're here.
>>745864024Wind Waker?
>>745862231Naruto is the reincarnation of the son of Ninja Jesus, had Kurama in him when he was a baby, and was the son of Minato, one of the strongest ninjasThe only person who is more chosen than him, is his daughter
>>745863945Luffy is the most recent of those chosen ones. The entire OP fandom duped themselves into thinking the series emphasized “hardwork and willpower.” Really all you need to do succeed is to be at the right moment in history and have tremendous luck. Worst part…they praised that.
>>745861997>Naruto>Chosen Oneactually the reincarnation prophecy stuff isn't real and doesn't matter, it's all aliens, and also the two prophesied guys, Naruto and Sasuke, are weak little bitches who lose everything and die so that these boring ass kids can just redo their story beats but worse with more sci-fi
>>745863945Naruto is the reincarnation of the son of Ninja Jesus, his father was Hokage that sealed the most powerful beast in him that he could tap into to save him and help him, his mother had a special bloodline that gave him his incredible chakra and Jiraya taught Naruto because he was given a prophecy that he would teach the Child of Destiny.No, he is the most chosen one of all due to his soul, his lineage and prophecy.
>>745861997This is like a Jesus thing and it's a very Godless world right now
>>745863827Been a while, how is he chosen?If i remember right, that guy just went around freeing prisoners and the only one who actually escaped was you, which made others call you chosen
>>745862459The correct answer.
>>745864175That's why the real MVP is my man, Koby!
>>745861997>be 'chosen one'>already know the game ends with my victory because plot armor, even if there may be a few losses along the way>be nobody>no guarantee of success >struggle for victoryThe problem I believe with the 'Chosen One' trope is that it's unrealistic and difficult to make a connection too. All four characters in your image have a connection to wealth/power or both. None of them earned it in a realistic fashion. Retard had a 'it's really strong i promise goys' fursona sealed within them as a baby, Dumbfuck just ate a fruit, Crybaby was born with space wizard powers, and Foureyes is a literal nepobaby.
Batman solved this.He's clearly "special". He's a genius billionaire built like a brick shithouse, but that's... about it.
>>745864024Honestly, Morrowind fucked around with the concept so much that it lost meIf you're at that point where you're going "you may or may not be the chosen one, everyone's going to shit on you for calling yourself that either way, and ultimately your destiny is to destroy the only thing holding Morrowind together and ruin things for everyone," you have to step back and ask what the fucking point of that element being in the story is other than making the player a puppet manipulated by forces outside of his understanding towards some still unknown purpose
>>745864270Goku isnt the Chosen One of anything. He would laugh or feel offended at someone saying he was destined to save the universe.
>>745864263I was using that image as a stand in for the chosen undead, not Oscar himself. But there are some unused scripts from an earlier build where he was also chosen and you two became rivals.
>>745864270>Goku>chosen oneHe's just the first one to achieve the legendary transformation, but we actually see him bust his ass to get where he is, only angry whiny manlets think otherwise.
>>745864402Dragon Ball Z doesn't really help itself with how many problems in the series boil down "wait for Goku to get here" which is why it feels like he's the Chosen One.
>>745864331The Nerevarine is just an Imperial agent who comes to Morrowind, exploits a sketchy local "prophecy", kills the four local anti-Empire "deities", and throws the place into disarray to weaken it.
>>745864423>who ruined the old movies,U wot
>>745864423I like Star Wars Visions, those animated shorts made by all those different animation studios.Those are fun.
I grinded hard for my stats. The world is mine by right.
There are those who insert themselves into stories and there are those who insert stories into themselves. The first group needs realistic stories to support their immersion, the second group needs grand narratives to support their escapism. Ultimately, I'm better than both of them, because I am the chosen one.
>>745864293and OPtards fucking hate him.Koby and Garp are my favorite characters and they have done been dirty these last years.
>>745864493>anti-Empire The Tribunal aren't anti-Empire, and the Empire didn't even know that the prophecy would involve destroying the thing sustaining the Tribunal's power. Vivec just tells you to do this on your own because evidently killing Dagoth is more important to him than preserving Morrowind' integrity (and his own)
>>745861997How about a Chosen One but the prophecy was actually misinterpreted and the main character turns out to be the villain that enslaves the whole world? Oh wait that's just Anakin
>>745861997The examples you posted all have the charisma of a wet sock even when combined together. That's the problem.
>>745864642I fucking love it. All these Devil Fruits and it turns out, they're all stupid and you can, in fact, just punch the problem really hard in the face so it explodes.After spending a few years battleship boxing that is. Earn that punch, recruit!
>>745862287>baseless assumptions >actual data proven by studies and experimentation If you choose the former you’re a retard, no other way to put it
>>745864653yeah and done well that can be kinoit's a shame the movie had to compress so much stuff
>>745864653isin't that Dune?Personally I'm absolutely fed up of deconstructionist, pos-modernist, nihilist crap in my media so I tend to ignore edgelord stories like that.
>>745864492It actually worked during the Piccolo and Saiyan sagas but during Namek he was just lazy and reusing plot beats over and over again. God that saga is so overrated.
>>745864652>The Tribunal aren't anti-Empire>the Temple that worships them is anti-Empire>House Indoril who are the most devout are anti-Empire>the Ordinators who are the lead god's crew are anti-Empire>House Dagoth and their god are super-mega-anti-EmpireJust because Vehk slurped Imperial cock in the surrender to save his skin like the whore he is doesn't mean the rest do.The whole game is about you serving the Empire's will and exploiting the prophecy for Imperial gains. For fuck's sake, it's literally mandatory for you to be a member of the Imperial spooks if you actually follow the main quest.
>>745862769I think it's like the last airbender, you have a choice and not choosing to save the world fucks it
>>745861997My hot take that the trope is not good since it greatly limits your world. The chosen one does universe shifting or world altering actions that make the other characters in it seem greatly underwhelming in contrast. It is not a coincidence that all of those movies have weak sequels or reboots.
>>745864936The Empire has no idea what the prophecy even is, that's why you spend like half the game figuring out the basics of it for Caius>>the Temple that worships them is anti-Empire>>House Indoril who are the most devout are anti-Empire>>the Ordinators who are the lead god's crew are anti-EmpireThese are literally all the same faction, and they're not even particularly anti-Empire other than their rejection of the Imperial Cult and the Nine Divines in favor of the Tribunal. Apart from that the Dunmer generally just treat the empire and imperials like they do any other outlander
>>745861997>Gamers seem to really hate the Chosen One tropeIt's just the emasculated western gaymers
>>745861997I actually quite like how the star wars prequels handled the chosen one trope.
>>745865138Me too. He ends up fulfilling the prophecy decades later after Mustafar.
>>745862231I disagree with you Naruto being the least chosen one but One piece fags that replied you are seething hard. Luffy and Anakin objectively have more chosen one features than Naruto. At least, compared to Luffy, Naruto had hardship because what makes him special. Luffy on the other han only has pluses.Objectively, Harry is the least chosen one in OP's post. He is just a son of truly loving mother which is probably way more common than a chosen one. Also, he isn't the smartest or strongest among his peers. He isn't even needed to defeat Voldy. If Dumbledore was alive, he could have just killed Harry and Voldy after only horcrux left is Harry. Hell, with enough tactical plan and timing, others can also achive this without Dumbledore. JKR always tried to overplay Harry's specialness but when you think about it for second, there is nothing special about Harry in the context of Chosen Ones.
>>745861997Chosen One can work. The problem is some games forget to include a meaningful story to go with it, and instead use it as an excuse to make you a power fantasy and nothing more.
>>745864024Rance?
My favorite trope is you're the chosen one but not actually how you first thought
>>745865138I don't like the way people misunderstand Anakin and the Force and think Dark is something that's supposed to exist and not a corrupting cancer that is supposed to be cut out
>>745864297By this logic Achilles didn't need to participate in the Trojan war. He also should have made it out unscathed.
chosen one is a fine trope, it just keeps being done poorly. If it feels like the characters lose 'agency' in the context of some overarching plot, especially when 'victory' decided by fate doesn't align with the protagonists interests or goals, it makes it feel forced.Chosen one also falls victim of writers shoehorning in these massive political battles and entanglements for the chosen one to overcome, even though the politics of countries, planets, rival schools, whatever is a matter of large scale interpersonal conflict and rarely black and white. Stop doing it wrong and chosen one can work fine.
Is there any videogame where you're the chosen one but you try running away from your responsibility?
>>745865138is Star Wars the only sci-fi series to have a Chosen One? Seems like apart from that, it's a concept found exclusively in fantasy stories
>>745865485In a way NieR
>>745865494Krull immediately comes to mind, but technically sci fantasy
Was Anakin always meant to fall and become Darth Vader to fulfill the prophecy or was his fall and unlikely redemption at Luke's behest something even da Force didn't predict?
>>745865494Star wars is not sci-fi is space magic.
>>745865485Baldurs Gate series
>>745865485Knights of the Old RepublicSomeone else was even propped up as the chosen one to replace you
>>745861997You're either a prophesied chosen one, or someone who works their way to becoming one. In a single player game where there's a narrative, the chosen one trope is often impossible to avoid, because the player will always find a way to stand out among their peers and be chosen over them. Even if your character isn't the leader of the team they're part of, you were still special enough to be put into the team that will end up saving the world.
>scrub ninja wants to be big dick hokage one day by working hard as fuck even though he's a scrub>his parents were both special, he has the special monster in him, many of his teachers are special except iruka I guessgay, the best characters were always Lee and Shikamaru
>>745865549He was to balance the forcein the prequels the jedis are retardedhe balances it by killing most of themthen in OT era he's the one who killed palpy and bring the balance backyes Luke built the jedi order back, fuck disney shit
>>745865549The Jedi are objectively terrible people in the prequels barring a few outliers like Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon. They are arrogant, dogmatic, complicit in corruption, inactive in many galactic conflicts and affairs, socially aloof and constantly go back on their “code” or “beliefs” e.g. they claim Dooku isnt evil because he was a former Jedi or claim to not be militant soldiers then join a war and lead an army in the same week.
>>745865406Is that Chosen One or is it predestination?Then again, is there a difference?
>>745865581I don't think Gorion's Ward counts.They aren't particularly special in the big picture of special people of the Forgotten Realms. They're just one of hundreds/thousands of Bhaalspawn who are all part of the same prophecy filling the same role. Sarevok or Imoen or Balthazar could just as easily be the last and it wouldn't matter one bit.
>>745865549The Jedi's self destruction was inevitable, Anakin was just the representation of it
>why dont gamers like playing as god's nepo baby?????its a fucking mystery alright
>>745865026that's not REALLY a choice at that point, is it? it's like the old snafu of if you're stranded in the desert and you have a choice between some water and a mountain of gold, is there really much of an option there? i mean yeah you could choose the gold but there's literally zero feasible reason not to take the water.
The problem is probably not so much that you're the chosen one, but rather that being the chosen one makes you stand out too much. I think people would largely be fine with this trope if little to no people in the world actually knew about how special you were and just treated you like a normal guy, something similar to how super hero stories do it where the protag has a secret identity.
>>745861997This is the spitting example why shounen nowdays is absolute bottom of the barrel trash, just compare Devilman to the two fags at the top>Former becomes the chosen one involuntarily and carries the weight of the responability that it conveys>the two guys at the top are some fags that wanted to be the chosen from the start and one day they got lucky
>>745866014>you have a choice between some water and a mountain of goldhttps://youtu.be/oi_fq7rjxAo
>>745866243>ugly edgy slopfaggier than the average Hetalia fanfiction
>>745865549Anakin was primarily a weapon that the Force created to btfo Creamy Sheev.Secondarily, he was created to test the Jedi and see if they could refocus their stagnating order back on the Will of the Force. They failed and they died, so that Anakin's son could rebuild the Jedi Order back to one that focuses on the Force rather than galactic politics.Space God could have dropped Anakin on Coruscant where he would have been discovered as a child and trained like every other Jedi. He would have become strong and btfo Sheev as intended, but the Jedi Order would not have been fixed. Instead, it dropped him on an Outer Rim world outside the jurisdiction of the Republic, where he wouldn't be found until late into his childhood, causing friction with the dogmatic way the Jedi operate as of the Prequels.
>>745866376your gay
>>745866394“He’s too dangerous to be kept alive” is a line both sith and Jedi used honestly the only balance is both of them fucking massacred by superior firepower from orbit. Fucking space wizards.
>>745863664>chosen one>no matter how weak>god said they'd be important and save the world>normal guy>could die at any moment>wasnt important>villain didnt realize they were a threat until they were fucking up their shitSecond one is always betterInstead of the villain going"Oh i know about the prophecy and the child, but i am arrogant and foolish, i wont do the one thing that guarantees victory right this moment"You just have a villain that wasnt warned someone would kill them
>>745861997With the ram crisis, all I know I am the
>>745862068Because this is 4chan and pretty much everyone here is a narcissistic manchild. I've literally been pointing that out for years.
>>745866376devilman aged gracefully in comparison to shon, i'd give it a read
>>745865494dune, armored troopers votoms, and gundam
>>745861997I hate retroactive Chosen One shit like in Naruto. Like we progressively find out the entire fucking universe revolves around him as the story progresses, and he has special shit in his bloodline which is such a departure from where it started. Taming Kurama should have been the beginning and the end of his special power, a curse he turned into a blessing with Talk no Jutsu.The Nika fruit and Joy Boy parallels in One Piece feel like an asspull too, but I trust Oda more. It feels slightly more deliberate and doesn't fly in the face of Luffy's personal journey. I can believe Oda had it storyboarded out a long time ago.Chosen Ones that are established early and either carry it like a burden (Harry Potter) or turn evil with that power (Anakin) are generally preferable, but like everything, it depends on the writer.
>>745861997i prefer>you're the chosen one, unless you die like a retard, then a new one is chosen
>>745865849guys like Mace were definitely bad people but I think the majority of them were well-meaning dumbfucks incapable of introspection or questioning the order's stagnation or rape-slavery to the corrupt Senate
>>745867081>he's actually seen enough of Naruto and One Piece to know all thatHow will you ever get the hours back?
>>745867205the people who have thousands of hours in classic WoW are more pathetic, they're playing the same game forever and looping the same classic content over and over chasing the high of being a teenager againat least if you read/watch something new and trashy it's actually a new thing and it shapes your taste. you don't know what's good until you're read something bad
>>745867205I want magik to rape the shit out of me in her demon form
>>745867470Skyen please
The Chosen One trope actually discourages people of all backgrounds, because it posits that if you aren't born a chosen one, you're just fucked forever while the chosen one has all the fun. Regardless of who you are, chances are you prefer the idea that you could become the protagonist from nothing instead.
>>745861997I like how The Legend of Spyro tackles the chosen one narrative by having the main villain be the previous chosen one
>>745867637Some people are just better than other people, that's just a fact.
>>745867205OP still has its moments, and Nardo at one point was good/alright.
>>745867709OP is genuinely good, at least by battle shounen standards. It deserves it's popularity and longevity better than almost anything else in the genre.
>>745867205One Piece has decent plot points to talk about sometimes. Naruto shat the bed by Shipooden.
>>745867709With Nardo you can at least gaslight yourself into thinking it ended after the war/shippuden. One Piss you can't escape it going down the toilet after the timeskip.
The red ranger is always important in power rangers/sentai but mystic force literally had him as LE CHOSEN ONE and basically ruined what was a cool season with wizard shit and capesIt's the worst trope and the only media that has done it well was anakin because it actually painted a negative light on being special instead of hero faggotry
>>745867205>posts a character from capeshitBoth of you are two sides of the same shit encrusted coin.
it's overdonei am also tired of gritty edgy grimdark "realism" too
>>745865549Anakin was a middle finger directed at Sidious and Plagueis when they started fucking around too much with the Force, only to get hijacked and then un hijacked because the Jedi at that point were loveless retards who cut themselves with detachment bullshit
Damn good thing my hero is not a faggot
>>745867974I actually think western comics are in the fucking dumpster right now and 99% of them are trash, but I'll give them one thing. With comics you can just read the shit you like and disregard the things you don't. They're generally written that if this is your first exposure to a character you get an idea of who they are. With long running manga like One Piece you can't really skip anything or you're missing big fucking chunks of the story, development, characters, etc.
>>745867081>The Nika fruit and Joy Boy parallels in One Piece feel like an asspull too, but I trust Oda moreAlso helps that, even with the Nika Fruit, Luffy still technically lost to the Elders (needed Joyboy's Haki to finally get them off his back), and he got his shit kicked in by Imu, so at least he still has a way to go.
>>745861997Remember when the Spyro series tired that? I remember.
>>745868183>Spyro but its ATLA mixed with LOTR
>>745867920Red ass is phat
>>745868839that's a guy
>>745868759I know.....was fucking great stuff.
>>745869091I know, man
>>745868183Honestly it's the most interesting the franchise has ever been even if the classic trilogy is more refined.
>>745865026I think airbender had a great twist on the matter. Aang and Anakin aren’t like the other chosen one archetypes.
I love being the guy that sacrifice it all and dies in the end a heroic death. I guess i'm just really depressed individual and imagine about dying in a cool way a lot.
>>745865395Arios is a pretty bad example of a chosen one.
>>745869260Chosen one is so overdone even back then that the only way to do it right is to subvert the trope so being special sucks. The only reason that hasn't gotten old yet is because it hasn't been done enough. Remember how capeshit went from bright and cheerful to edgy and ironic like the boys. Now everyone is tired of the subverted hero shit where 2025 superman felt refreshing when it played supes straight
>>745869686>Now everyone is tired of the subverted hero shit where 2025 superman felt refreshing when it played supes straightBut it didn't, it was a irony poisoned as the boys.
>>745869686Superman 2025 was MCU trash disguised as a Superman film. Even has plucky pop music play while some D List character does something “quirky” in the background. James Gunn just wants to do GOTG over and over and over again.
>>745869828>James Gunn just wants to do GOTG over and over and over againyet it's still better than snyder ruining DC with his turds for an entire decade
>>745862231>father was a student of the student of the reigning hokageyeah I wonder how he became hokage over Rock Lee, a far superior protagonist material.
>game's twist is that the mc is not actually the chosen one as you were led to believe, but it doesn't matter because he ends up being even betterany other cases of this?
>>745861997It's nepotism with a coat of paintThe chosen one plot is fucking boring the same way you don't give a fuck about a rich kid having a good career after being given by their parents the best possible entrance in life
>>745869980No, it isn't. Not even close, faggot.
>>745862231>literally referred to as the child of prophesy multiple times Retard. >inb4 it was Nagato hurr
>>745870618>snyderfags still in denial that he didn't do irreversible damage to the DC nametypical
>>745864175>Luffy is the most recent of those chosen ones. The entire OP fandom duped themselves into thinking the series emphasized “hardwork and willpower.”No one but retards did that. Very early on we learn his incredible lineage, we learn he has conqueror Haki which only a chosen few have, he has the voice of all things, Shanks calls him the child of the next generation, we learn that many people from Roger's era were waiting for someone like Luffy to appear. This is all before we learn about the fruit being a mythical fruit. Even considering all that, it did take incredible effort for him to reach the point where he could awaken his powers, it was not gifted to him.
>>745864175>The entire OP fandom duped themselves into thinking the series emphasized “hardwork and willpower.”Actually we just watched the series and saw that for ourselves. Of all major "chosen one" characters Luffy worked the hardest to earn his, fighting for 25 real world years to make it to the top without ever unlocking more than a tiny fraction of his powers. Even now he has only ever used his new form to do things he's either already done before, or saw someone else do.
>>745861997Because it's fucking boring and it's in pretty much everything you've consumed since you're young. The same with world ending threats. it is fucking boring and childish.
>>745866914>everyone here is a narcissistic manchild but me>t. narcissistic AGP manchild
>>745861997When are we going to stop forcing the meme that Luffy is a chosen one?
>>745865056The answer is to have chosen one-ness not be all encompassing, which is to say they will solve some problems, but not all of them. For example, the chosen one will bring water back to the desert, but keeping it out of the hands of evil empire's coffers is another matter entirely. Or, only the chosen one can banish the ancient evil, but someone else will need to keep their army of the night from exterminating all life while the chosen one is banishing. If you put in the effort, you can have a chosen one change the world, others keep it from breaking, and all aspects are compelling.
I think Anakin is honestly one of the best chosen one characters to be made. It's not a secret to him that he's the Chosen One. He is prophesized to be someone of significant propotion. and yet, even with that, he's a terrible apprentice. He is constantly held back because he can't follow basic instructions or core tenants of being a Jedi, despite the fact that he's actually very skilled. He's a star athlete being benched for his lackluster history grades.Even though he has all his power, even though he's the one literally chosen by the force, he cannot save his mom, and he's worried he'll lose his wife. He's a great tragedy character and I never liked it when he was slandered for decades.
>>745861997Naruto isn't even the chosen one, he's one of two known Ashura reincarnations out of what would be hundreds
>>745862068you play video games, you 100% are a manchild. Being a narcissistic one is a lateral move.
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>>745872065yeah but none of the others could ever get close to kaguya even with the entire world backing them up so it's effectively the same
>>745865549I don't think it was inevitable, then again its hard to really say for sure since the whole chosen one thing was just Lucas trying to make Anakin/Vader look cooler only for it to fall flat which is probably why he never really went to into it
>>745864175>The entire OP fandom duped themselves into thinking the series emphasized “hardwork and willpower.Nothing so extreme, I just hoped he wasn't a LITERAL prophesized reincarnation god.And yet I still ended up disappointed.
>>745872065Madara was the chosen one. Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Izanagi and Izanami), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using the Infinite Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu, Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu.
>>745872080Every single time people bring that up it’s a fucking stupid argumentYou are a manchild regardless of what you do for entertainmentAll forms of entertainment are for childrenJust saying
>>745872172I've watched and read all of naruto and I don't know what the fuck half of this shit even is
>>745872126Madara and Hashirama would be able to, Kaguya isn't like 20 times stronger than Ten tails Jinchuriki Madara, Eighth gate guy who is there in part 1 would absolutely be able to put up a fight too
>>745872202Same thing goes for enjoying food and drinks tooKids eat and drink too ya knowIt’s just pointless
>>745872172Can you please structure actual paragraphs man, I'm quite literally not reading all that
>>745872235This is Madara at the end of series with all of his abilities and power ups before he gets sucked by Kaguya.
>>745872202>All forms of entertainment are for childrenNope. That's a fucking retarded argument. Humans need downtime but adults that need to immerse themselves in fantasy lives are failed adults which makes them essentially children. Plus 98% of the video games you play are made specifically for children with adult themes stripped out because children can't understand them since they have no lived experiences. Cope, manchild.
>>745861997>you aren't the chosen one, your love interest isDo any games do this?
>>745872271What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little shit? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Im the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youre fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thats just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little clever comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnt, you didnt, and now youre paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youre fucking dead, kiddo.
>>745866914Except OP post points to the opposite
>>745872362Holy shit, damn you're sad
>>745861997I don't hate it but I don't want it in every single fantasy game
>>745871997How is he not the chosen one? All his hard work becomes pointless when we know he's got fate on his side
>>745872392Holy shit, damn you're new
>>745872202Describe your hobbies, interests and favorite IPs. We shall determine if you are not a manchild or not an irony poisoned, third-world baboon.
>>745872431Not even in the slightest? I'm not the one trying to trick somebody with one of the most well known texts on 4chan
>>745872202oly narcissistic manchildren can't accept that playing video games means they're manchildrenI know I'm a manchild. Who gives a fuck
>>745864293Koby is boring
>>745872426Luffy is the chosen one only in the sense that the fruit decided he had the potential to become the new Joyboy, but eating the fruit doesn't mean he's destined to win, he simply has the potential thanks to his personality. However, it's quite obvious that there have been several others who ate the fruit and never managed to awaken its power, and even becoming the new Joyboy doesn't mean Luffy is destined to win, considering that the original Joyboy lost.
>>745861997I don't watch OP, but t all the other characters have been treated like shit for being the chosen one.
>>745872498>trickYou are absolutely new and you obviously didn't know what either of those posts were. They're not meant to trick anyone, they're supposed to make people laugh because they're fucking absurd. You are quite obviously a third worlder who doesn't understand western humor so fuck off and go do your daily farm chores or fuck a goat or whatever it is you thirdies do all day to survive
Lol imagine wasting your time playing manchildslop instead of grinding irl and become a billionaire in your 20s
>>745861997Why would you want the attention of the world especially a shitty one?
Fire Emblem used to be>MC is the chosen one with the holy bloodnow it's>(You), yes, you, the player irl who have a silent avatar in this world, are literally God and are fellated by everyone in the plot
>>745872553How insecure must you be to attempt to attack my location (incorrectly too) because I wasn't willing to read your pathetic post that was structured like shit?
>>745872650ok now you're pretending to be retarded so this is your last (You) you get from me because I've actually been here for longer than a few days.
Wasn't the point in Harry Potter that the whole prophecy thing and Harry being the Chosen One, only mattered because Voldemort made it matter? Both Harry and Neville could have been the Chosen One, but since Voldemort was a half-blood, he decided to go after Harry because he was also a half-blood, and Voldemort, in his arrogance, believed that the baby who shared something in common with him would obviously be the most special one.
im not normal so i want more games that are like normal and average protags, doing mundane things like everyday life , like if it was a fantasy rpg just a regular soldier in the army, or a guard / bandit its more immersive
>>745861997It was Luffy before the utter shit plot twist, now Harry (and he is still very chosen one)
>>745872327>Humans need downtime but adults that need to immerse themselves in fantasy lives are failed adults which makes them essentially children.Fantasy is what makes us human. Religion, morality, the social contract are also just fantasies that collectives agree upon.To dream is the only thing that makes life worthwhile.
>>745872730>I'm not normal I wish I was normalThis is more narcissistic than the chosen one trope lmao go the fuck outside and be normal, it's literally the easiest thing in the world to do
>>745872730Mount & Blade seriesWartalesBattle BrothersCyber Knights FlashpointLunatic Dawn seriesMost of these mercenary sim games THOUGH
>>745872724It doesnt matter because some old lady with a machinegun could have taken down Voldemort or his army.
>>745872448>hobbiesReading books like The Guns of August and pretty much anything pre 1950s>Favorite IP’s Fallout 1/2Baldur’s GateXCOMCivilizationHOI
>>745872763>Religion, morality, the social contract are also just fantasies that collectives agree upon.Those things are in reality, existing in them is not immersing yourself in a fantasy life or any form of escapism. I do agree that religion is for manchildren too though but it gave us the morality that helped us become a species that can progress rather than just wallow in the mud fighting each other so it gets a pass from me.
>>745872448Forgot interests but I’m working on getting a promotion at my construction company job
>>745861997Maybe turbo/v/irgins hate it. I fucking love it. It's very similar to the strong hero or king archetype commonly found throughout history and legends. I absolutely despise antiheroes for their contrivedness, though.
>>745872503>it's true because it's trueis not an acceptable argument
>>745872891No argument would be accepted by you because you're a manchild in denial. I hope you can progress through the stages of grief and reach acceptance one day, anon. Then you will be closer to becoming an adult than you ever have been in your life. Maybe you might even find a girl that can stand you.
>>745872973What a self defeating, pointless ad hominem.It would mean that no one who ever plays video games could find a girl that could stand them.Still, you got me to reply once, so bully for you.
>Chosen One becomes the Chosen One through their own actions.based>Chosen One was always going to be the Chosen One because of some preordained destiny crap.cringe
>>745873150>chosen one fucking fails>indomitable human spirit man succeeds through great effort, though at great cost compared to what chosen one would've paid were he successful
>>745873058No, I'm just saying being an adult helps. Dunno if it could help you though, you seem a bit too far gone.
>>745861997Depends on the execution. I think people who rabidly hate chosen one tropes are insecure, low self esteem faggots.
>>745873305Took you that long to come up with that one? All I did was take your initial point and take it a single step to its conclusion.Sorry, stud. It's past your bedtime.
>>745873336Cope. You will never be a real human.
>>745861997>>745862186absolutely no narrative pushed here folks, just another anon asking questions and not a seething redditor projecting again>>745862501>>745863014>>745864741these niggers are just mad lmao
>>745873416How could you tell I was a spider?
you are all NPCs, I'm the only real conscious being on this planet. I am god.
>>745873492double copeyou obviously have no arguments for the original point because there are still other people who posted that you can't respond to. Your argument was beaten entirely by this anon >>745872854
>>745861997>image only contains one chosen one character
To prove I am God, I will give you all a trillion dollars in your bank accounts right now. I will prevent you from being able to show proof online but it will be there. I will allow you to thank me though
>>745873601thank you god I knew you were listening to my prayers (I prayed that everyone in this specific thread would get a trillion dollars)
Kuso thread
>>745861997being the chosen one invalidates achievements because winning is the expected result, a nobody has to fight and struggle against all odds wrenching victory from the jaws of defeat, everyone expects them to lose so that makes winning much sweeter. on the other hand, everyone knows the chosen one will win if they just get off their arse and go do it, they're playing on easy mode and, in a sense, they didn't beat the game.
>>745874059you think the story would resolve itself if the chosen one sat at home playing video games all day or something? Is that why you do it?
wtf I just got a shit load of money in my acc bros what should I spend it onanyone know a good place to buy friends?
>>745867637You know who's stronger than the Chosen One? The One Who Chooses.
Chosen one is good in video games but bad in movies/anime.
>>745867637>people of all backgroundsno, only non-whiteswe are the chosen ones in the real world, paco. I'm sorry god made you so shit but he needed practice before he could get it right
>>745872084how did aquaman make all that money, ive literally never heard anyone talk about it since it's release
>>745874247capitalized on timing. Capeshit was at its peak and so was Mamoa
>>745870881>conqueror Haki which only a chosen few haveI don't think Conqueror's Haki is genetic or something you have to be born with, I think the implication is more that in order to have Conqueror's, you must have a strong unbreaking will, and if your will is flimsy to begin with/was broken before, it is very very difficult to reacquire that level of confidence. That's why Kaido sent Luffy to the salt mines to buck break him, presumably because he gets off on castrating conqueror's users.
>>745874285its always jarring when a movie seemingly everyone saw leaves zero cultural impact whatsoever. at least people still discuss man of steel, im not exaggerating when i say ive literally never heard even the most devoted capeshit enthusiast shout out aquaman
>>745872172I like the version of this copypasta where it just keeps stacking shit from different universes to make his powerset even more over-the-top and incomprehensible.
>>745874390me too but 4chan only lets you post 2000 characters lol
>>745872152Tell me, retard. Is Sengoku the "reincarnation" of Buddha?
>>745874479Fucking shit site. What can you do?
>>745861997Most people don't want to be "chosen ones". What they want is the power and/or authority that comes with the package.Some people want fame to come with it, others want to stay behind camera or in the shadows, and others just want the option to use force to correct the things they want corrected and don't give a shit either way if people know or not.Reductionists like OP almost always got their ass bit pretty hard trying to act important somewhere, and now spend their lives deflecting with sick desperation.
>>745863664Worked for STALKER.
>>745864270>>745864402Correct.Gohan is the Chosen One Trope.He gets everything without never working for it.
You only hate chosen ones because it's overdone. You will hate "random shitter who kills god because reasons" too when it becomes mainstream, if it hasn't already.
What if the chosen one is my self insert MC
>>745866914>Because this is 4chan and pretty much everyone here is a narcissistic manchild. I've literally been pointing that out for years.mans droppin' TRVKES
>>745864297>>745862769If someone wins at anything then that means they were always going to win. They had the skills to succeed and access to the tools they needed.Doesn't matter if theyre explicitly "chosen" or not. A hero who wins through hard work was put in a situation where their merit of hard work (and no one else's) gets them victory. A chosen one still works hard too.
>>745866914it's called an ego, and without it we'd all have killed ourselves it years ago for the benefit of humanity
>>745872854>but it gave us the morality that helped us become a species that can progress rather than just wallow in the mud fighting each otherDude... fantasies are there to help develop morality too. Were you never taught to look for the messages and themes in stories?
>>745875320>fantasies are there to help develop morality tooYeah, for children.
>>745875367You still need to explain why religion gets a pass and fantasy doesn't.
>>745875367So adults are (generally) moral? Do you seriously believe that?
>>745875503No because adults don't spring out of nothing into fully-grown adults, they are children first. Did you think about that argument for even a single second before you posted it?
>>745875389It gets a pass because of the benefit it has produced for civilization. Religion is just fantasy but no other fantasy has done what religion has. If it did, it would get a pass from me too.
>>745875662How do you quantify the benefit religion has produced for civilization? Religion also is told through stories, so you could say that it's those stories which have influenced people. Is it possible that the stories are the source of the benefit? How do we know?
chosen one story has its place of course but it's not really needed to make the player care. in more realistic, grounded settings like rpgs you could make do with something smaller.
>>745875796>How do you quantify the benefit religion has produced for civilization?I'm not typing a fucking essay for you just because you can't understand what literally everyone can intuit. >Religion also is told through stories, so you could say that it's those stories which have influenced people. Is it possible that the stories are the source of the benefit?I'm not saying religion isn't fantasy for manchildren, I'm saying it is and it gets a pass.
>>745875882So some stories get a pass and some don't. But you can't quantify which ones do and which ones don't, except by """intuition""".lollmao, even
>>745861997Video game are about improving your own skill to defeat/overcome a challenge. The Chosen One trope is the antithesis of this. Thats the equivalent of your dad giving you cheat codes
>>745875928Of course I can but it would take too long and you're obviously only asking me to "prove" such an obvious thing because you want to waste my time because you know you've already lost. Last (You) you get now we both know what you're doing.
>>745876021It's wouldn't really take long, just a few sentences. But you don't know what you're saying. You're just using """intuition""".
>>745872448if you were a real one you'd already know that he's a third-world baboon.
>>745872886the slave is getting uppity again
>>745876051>>745872327>made specifically for children with adult themes stripped out because children can't understand them since they have no lived experiencesI had assumed you read through the argument you were replying to but I guess you're too retarded for that, my bad
>>745876136I don't play nintendo games.
>>745876216maybe you should have, it seems your development was stunted somewhere along the way. Maybe you were exposed to adult themes before you were capable of understanding them and that's why you're too retarded to figure out things non-zoomers can easily understand?
>>745861997I hate it because it can actually ruin a character if done poorly.Especially when it applies to the underdog MC.>>745866243I don't think Luffy even though about becoming some chosen one.He wanted to become The Pirate King and find One Piece.
>>745863945Harry potter was literally born from a rich and important family and given superpowers from surviving voldemort
>>745876247I'm not even that same anon I just think you're kind of stupid for generalizing all video games that way, especially when you're on /v/.
>>745876417>I'm not even the same anon I just jumped into an argument without reading any of it and asked questions that already had answered then seethed when they weren't repeated for meYou are brown.
80% of anime is isekai now and they are all massive power fantasies to the extreme
>>745876587You're mad lol.
>>745870881>incredible lineage>conqueror Haki>voice of all things etc.One Piece likes to hype these things up only to never do anything cool or important with them. Those things mean nothing. Luffy beat everyone up pre-timeskip with nothing but his skill and guts. Post-timeskip, he unlocked god mode and it all turned to shit.
>>745861997Well yea, retard who stumbles into being a really important person tends to be more kino
>>745877215>he unlocked god mode and it all turned to shitHe barely beat Kaido, just managed to stalemate Kizaru and couldn't even touch Imu.
>>745862325Trepang2 changed my opinion on that one. Its actually funny how everyone is insanely scared of 106
>>745861997the very first anime I ever watched was Bleach and it ruined me for every other anime out there because I couldn't bare to watch all the over the top goofy shit that happens in thoseI never could get into Naruto and OnePiece because of how silly everything wassame thing happened with LoTR, the fanbase around those movies were basically all normal people who just enjoyed submerging themselves into fantasy but when you look at the starwars and harry potter fanbase they are all söyboy cück ideologs who just consoom whatever slop gets thrown at them
>>745872302I swear it popped up long before the end of the manga though
>>745861997What universe are you posting from? Nobody hates this.
>>745872258yeah kaguya and zetsu threw by not letting madara finish off the weaklings before they did their thing (I fucking forget how they even killed Madara)
>>745877416Because people were adding it as it happened
>>745862231Isnt Naruto the reincarnation of a literal shinobi demi-god Akatski mixed mutt son of Kaguya, the mother and originator of all chakra in the world and inherited his powers and personality?
>>745877462>(I fucking forget how they even killed Madara)Black Zetsu literally just backstabbed him with his hand.
>>745877464ahh yeah that's probably what I remember. Damn I wish I could go back
>you play as the chosen one but the chosen one is a total fucking retard that can't even tie his own shoes but eventually he can summon nuclear holocaust with his cock this is the most kino trope, deal with it
>>745877447Lots of people hate it, mostly because they are adults consuming media intended for seven-year-olds.
>>745877494lmao ahh why couldn't they just make madara the final guyoh that's right because >>745872172
>>745862231>Here is a lonely boy, outed and ostracized by the village for reasons beyond his control... But through hard work, he will change the world and become strong. >But also he has a sacred demon inside him, 9 of which only exist in the world. >Also he has the strongest demon. >Also he can access 9 forms of the demon. >Also he can use another sacred form that few in the world mastered. >Also one of the few people who mastered that form taught him and his father. >Also the guy who taught him and his father was also trained by one of the most legendary ninja in the 3rd hokage who was said to've been stronger than the first and second in his prime.>Also his father is heralded as one of the greatest ninja to ever live. >Also his father was a ninja genius and became the fastest person alive. >Also his father married a girl who happened to be from a legendary clan who have massive chakra reserves/potential. >Also his father taught his current sensei in Kakashi, who also became renowned globally. >Also he's the reincarnation of a long lineage of THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO CREATED JUTSU ITSELF>also his rival just so happens to be a reincarnation of that persons rival.>Also he can combine his sacred form with his tailed beast form and become a living god and shoot super nukes for free.>But yes... Hard work, and lots of milk...Kill yourself.
>>745877585Well maybe they should kill themselves.
>>745877617NTA but I dont even know anything about Naruto and I wonder how a fan could somehow still be invested in the series knowing how it turned out, compared to what it had promised. Its a movie about a small town supporting an underdog baseball team, then finding out that they’re all just the 12 Olympians in disguise. You have just nullified everything you stood for.
>>745862459>A nobody that finds out he's the chosen oneThat's always the trope tho? What stories have the MC as the chosen one from the start?
>>745861997I would hate being the chosen one in real life. Too much of a hassle. You get all this unwanted attention and people bothering you and constantly watching everything you do. I'd rather be the optional superboss tucked away in some hidden dungeon doing fuckall that you can only fight with some esoteric series of seemingly random actions and just immediatly kills anyone who figures out how.
>>745877785Legend of Korra
I just want more stories with protagonists who overcome obstacles without having bullshit superpowers they didn't even work for.
>>745877741The average human lacks actual intellect and just consume things and behave like actual animals. There are thousands of people who defend slop just because they grew up on it. I'll be the first to admit what I like is garbage but I stick by it out of hard nostalgia bias. I'm not delusional like they are. And so many faggots will cry if you dare say what they put on pedastal so blindly is trash and try to sick a mob mentality on you. They deserve to be culled.
>>745877943That's real life, sport
>>745877943>he says while posting guts with berk armor and a magic goblin on his back at all times
>>745877785Literally Zelda. Only the hero can use the Master Sword.
My favorite "chosen one" is the one from prison. Only one person likes it, but only one person hates it and everyone else ignores the whole thing.
>>745877741>NTAyou don't need to say that if you didn't agree with the anon you're saying you weren't, poop for brains
>>745877741Naruto was never about hardwork overcoming talent or something like that, Naruto is framed as an underdog because he's a lonely loser who nobody expects anything from. Naruto's major theme is the harshness of the ninja world and breaking the never ending cycle of tragedy. This theme gets undermined by the fact that Nardo is an unironic christ figure due to being the reincarnation of a son of ninja god.
>>745877741Naruto betraying its original ethos is actually one of the biggest criticisms against it. People will often do backflips or retroactively try and fit it into the early series when you point it out, but early on it was very clearly supposed to be a "hard work can put you above even people with amazing talents" story. A lot of the early fights make zero fucking sense from a narrative standpoint if the whole idea was that some people are just born better like the series later adopts.
>>745878062Literally one of Naruto's biggest character moments in Part 1 is defying Neji's destiny mentality of being inferior because of clan branch genetics and that hardwork can overcome geniuses. Be serious.
>>745877546agreed
Rock Lee lost to Gaara
>>745866914No you've been pointing out how unwholsome chungus everyone is to your lord and savior Emil
>>745878161got any other examples?
>>745878161Neji's mentality of being inferior has nothing to do with genetics, because he's genetically as close to the main house as Hinata is (their fathers were identical twins), it's do with the fact that because his father was born mere seconds after Hinata's and he was condemned to the branch where he and his father had what are essentially slave seals place on them. He has a defeatist mindset because his father willingly let himself be killed in Hinata's fathers place as that was the only meaningful choice he could make as a branch family member, this mentality was made worse by the fact that despite being overwhelmingly better than Hinata, the clan heir, his own station in life would never improve.Naruto, the only person who could relate to him, instead convinces him that he shouldn't give up on life, not that hard work overcomes talent as Neji is infinitely a harder worker than Nardo and Nardo only wins the fight with the Kyuubi's power.
>>745878265he won in our hearts
>>745878161That was just one character arc of manyThink about how many training arcs there are in Naruto. Exactly, the series was never hardwork and shit. Only Neji and Rock Lee were about hard work, the rest of the cast deals with a whole range of societal issues.
>>745877868>I would hate being the chosen one in real life.Yeah no shit, that would suck. People think chosen ones get everything handed to them when all real life examples had to suffer tremendously such as numerous prophets, then there's those chosen to be a sacrifice to the gods, the ones we invent in our fictitious stories differ wildly from our own examples from religions.
>>745861997Transvestite nonsense thread. Enjoy the HRT journey, sister!
Naruto's entire early narrative is ruined because of him being the Chosen One though.>orphan who has a monster inside of him, which does make him stronger but is still a curse more than a blessing>he believes he can defy his horrible fate and encourages others to defy theirs (Neji in particular) claiming that the people's future is in the palm of their own hands>his rival/best friend and the aforementioned Neji are both a traumatic outcome of clan politics which Naruto turns his nose up at and claims he will change for their sake and the sake of future generationsThis is how Naruto was portrayed at first and it was decent. Believing in himself after having a harrowing upbringing and believing in his friends who also went through some horrible shit in spite of fate was a central ideology of early Naruto.Then>we find out that tailed beasts are actually even more uber powerful>naruto's dad is a the 4th hokage>naruto's mom is from a prestigious clan that actually has a higher chakra capacity than most people>naruto's 9 tails is actually the most powerful tailed beast>naruto is the child of prophecy that the great toad sage had visions of>naruto actually mastered senjutsu super easily being literally like 1 in a million>he was actually the reincarnation of the grandson of the mother of all chakra who is basically godAnd then Neji dies as a slave
>>745878475Don't forget his clan is also an offshoot of the Senju clan, basically the strongest in the world during their hayday.
>>745877487he is the literal second coming of ninja christ, without hyperbole.
>>745861997I like how Xenoblade handles it, where Shulk is special and chosen, but only to the antagonists' ends and even when he becomes "chosen" again, he immediately gives it all up once the power is no longer needed.I appreciate the narrative humility.
It's funny how this site LOVES to hate Naruto but it's clearly the most popular anime on this entire site by far.I liked Naruto and I'm tired of pretending it sucked
>>745878475>>745878518>Early NarutoYeah that clan shit? That's bullshit. Fuck the clan shit.>Later NarutoClans? Oh that's all that matters. You'd best believe your clan decides your fate.
>>745878726I don't love Naruto, I love Tobirama-sama, kyaaah! >_<
>>745878726The site hated Naruto back in the day because the people using the site were adults that understood it's faults and flaws ahead of your average 4chan user now who was a child watching the chuunin exams on TV in the shitty english dub. Most of the early posters were also way ahead by watching in Japanese online or reading the manga so they knew. So yeah, zoomers and zillenials on the site now grew up with the show and know about it, but that doesn't mean the anime didn't have completely irredeemable writing at some points.
>>745863664I like how world trigger handles it>weak ass MC >became the easy target because he is weak ass and even the most overpowered teammate cannot carry him>got too desperate, he even thought of recruiting more OP teammate to carry him>research for tactics(no training because he is hopeless power level wise)>took advantage of the idea that the opponents will always target him first and came up with the tool to cover his ass while buffing his OP team mate>winI love the MCs in World trigger.
>>745861997every story is about the chosen ones, more or lessthe fact that a something was worth writing about makes that exact something the chosen one
>>745878659...until this is ruined with every entry after 1.
>>745861997Being a nobody and building your way up >>>> chosen one trope
What the fuck... are you telling me people dislike when a trope becomes overused? That's fucking crazy. You should DEFINITELY not kill yourself RIGHT NOW... to rob the world of such a maverick mind would be a crime...
>>745861997i dont care if the character is special or uniquely powerful but chosen one prophecy shit is a big turn off
>>745879006...All Mavericks should self-terminate.
>>745878850I don't care*ninja runs away from you*
>>745878726Naruto is a series that shows a lot of promise early on but then shits the bed at some point (which point varies depending on who you ask), so it draws in a big crowd that then ends up largely being disappointed. I feel like by the time Shippuden happens, at the latest, people still watching the series and defending it are basically in full sunk cost mode.
>>745878953The other entries have no effect on Shulk's character arch and its relationship with the chosen one trope. If anything, they largely reinforce that he's not particularly special after serving his purpose as Zanza's vessel. Now, if you wanted to take issue with how the other Xenoblade protagonists are handled with this trope, I'd probably agree.
>>745878726Naruto is liked but it really could've been way better as a series if Kishi wasn't a retardThere's almost zero worlbuildingThe villains fall into this loop of "he was manipulated by someone BIGGER" and it happens like 4 times in a row so nobody is evil they're all innocent puppiesRedemption is weird, Itachi is a hero despite killing children and grannies but Danzo is the worst because ??????Like it has very high highs and the lows are all over the placeThen the reincarnation stuff SO6P bullshitIf it ended at the Pain arc Naruto would've been overall a solid 8/10 but it kept going and became a 5/10
>>745861997ironically having everything being cosmologically pre-ordained seems almost nihilistic
I miss when it was cool to hate on Inuyasha
>>745879323I agree but then we wouldn't have got to see MADARA SO COOOOOOL
>>745879356The sun is pre-ordained to be our star does that mean there is no point to anything?
>>745879454I mean yeah Madara carried the whole thing but then gets sidelined due to bad writing i.e Kishi being a retard
>>745861997>some people want to be the chosen one>I only want to free, happy and Tama cat like with my waifu at my side foreverFuck foxes, dogs, raccons, crows, owls and frogshttps://youtu.be/5eiShGVUzqo
>>745864175what annoyed me more is how pretty much everyone (besides nami and chopper) is either related to some super important historical figure or in the case of brook were literally there when history was being written.did zorro REALLY have to be the grandchild of historys trongest swordsman? it was just dropped on us during wano and oda did nothing with that info so i dont see the point
>>745861997>protagonist build himself up by obtaining power through dedication, determination, and experience. Showcasing that anyone can be a legend if they put in the hard work for it.Great!>Protagonist is actually the super duper omega prophesied man-god who is innately the most powerful being on the planet because his great great great grandpa was Satan while his great grandma was the personification of mother nature and also he's actually royalty and has the best powers overall that lived.Obviously shit and you should get your eyes or brain checked if you think otherwise.
>>745861997Americans hate "Chosen ones" because the american dream was built upon the historical breakthrough of social mobility, where someone can finally have their own rags to riches story and not have to build some legendary story about why their bloodline was always destined to do thatIt's why they have to twist even christianity into being about how earning money means God loves you and you'll go to heaven
>>745879475It's a matter of balance. Cosmic beings interfering on such a small inconsequential scale that it basically amounts to micromanaging reality is pretty boring and makes the characters own motivations and choices feel less impactful. The sun's job in our world is mostly just scaffolding for human existence and would be a right cunt if it started showering us with cmes specifically to engineer certain human-scale outcomes
>>745870881Doesn't like half the cast in OP have conqueror's haki at this point
>>745879475You're an idiot. Hope this helps!
>>745864293>hey guys! remember our favorite boy koby? well hes back with another massive powerup >ok were done now, back to the offscreen garp training camp>rinse and repeat every 200 chaptersi just dont care about this character
>>745870881>early on>conqueror hakiholy shit dude I know you just got to the series after a lot of if was done but to get to the time skip it took several years of serialization, at that point OP had more arcs done than most shonens in JUMP even, it took around 13 years to get to the timeskip since starting serialization, more than a decade of making the audience think otherwise, but you wouldnt know that because when you got to it you probably just binged
>>745880159>would be a right cunt if it started showering us with cmes specifically to engineer certain human-scale outcomesWhy are you assuming it doesn't?
The chosen hero isn't bad, that's why isekai slop is the popular rising genre, or why animes likes frieren (invincible god tier mage) are highly regarded.The problem is how the manga baits you with a gutter protagonist, has a message of effort, hard work and unity, just to pull the chosen one card.What's the point?
>>745864642>and OPtards fucking hate him.Maybe /a/ hates him, but 37th most popular in a series with 1500 named characters is pretty damn popular.
>>745880576That's based on the mindset all chose ones are underserving and have everything handed to them on a silver plate and never had to work a day of their lives to dedicate themselves to their skills and have no merit in any of their achievements whatsoeverYou're just lacking self esteem and imagination because you can't think of yourself as the Chosen one because you arbitrarily decided you're not special and you'll never be special, not even retroactively special by claiming yourself to be
>>745861997>Luffy>chosen oneI haven't followed One Piece for a long time but he was just a guy made out of rubber who wanted to live freely. Kinda absurd to compare him to the rest.
>>745880832I've got bad news
>>745880832More like the sun god of dancing and freedom and rubberhose cartoons
>>745880832Yeah, that's still the case. By eating the fruit he also inherited the will of the previous fruit user, but it's a concept as vague as the fruits themselves and is also true for every character in the story.
The only thing I can get from this thread is the following:>Niggas watch/read too much shitty shonen>Niggas play too many RPG's>Niggas DON'T PLAY ENOUGH FUCKING VIDEO GAMES TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THEM
>>745880832Remember that rubber fruit he randomly ate out of frustration?Well turns out it was not a rubber fruit but a mythical zoan fruit, model Nika. The World Goverment just concealed it's true nature all this time.Nika is this god of like freedom and stuff and has rubberhose cartoon like physique and toonforce logic.Pumping blood fast to gain speed? That was Toonforce.Immunity to Enel's lightning because of rubber? Toonforce.Blowing air into your bone to make a giant fist? Fucking Nika toonforce.It's all turned up to 11 thanks to the fruit "awakening" about 2 arcs ago.But Luffy doesn't know about any of that. He still thinks it's just rubber shenannigans.
>>745865313Harry was the subject of a prophecy, had a bunch of special snowflake powers and defeated voldy mostly through luck (fate). He's definitely a chosen one.
>>745881140It was such a huge risk for Oda to take, but people accepted it.
>>745881140Oh. That's...man... I wish things I liked didn't end up turning into dogshit... It's so fucking tiring.
>>745861997>NaturoNot the chosen one. Lucky and overpowered? Yes, but nothing would've stopped him from bleeding out like a pig in the first arc. Kakashi and Sasuke help him as an ally, not as Jesus.>LuffyNot the chosen one. Even the Nika fruit is pretty far from the best fruit. If he had like Whitebeard's fruit he'd take over the world in seconds.>AnakinThis is the chosen one, but in a bad way, but it's nearly impossible to tell from the current state of Star Wars just how much agency characters actually have compared to the force. I subscribe to the idea that it's all just wishful thinking, or at least that the Jedi's understanding is corrupted and faulty, and each character makes their own destiny.>HarryRowling plays fast & loose with the canon of the Hogwartsverse. Harry is clearly the chosen one in the first two books, then he's an average joe in books three through six, and then he becomes the chosen one again.
>>745874604The sea kings already spoke of a precise time when both Shirahoshi and that other special one will be born. Shanks then fed him his specific fruit to be even more easy mode.
>>745881521>Shanks then fed him his specific fruit to be even more easy mode.Oh? He shoved it down his throat?
>>745881227He's also not a particularly outstanding wizard or morally good person nor he wanted to break the existing status quo of the wizarding world so he's a very grating example of chosen one
>>745881140I see.
>>745879356The Calvinists believed this, and now they all just smoke weed and eat crepés all day.
>>745881514>Jedi's understanding is corrupted and faultyThis used to be a thing in the old EU, but given how Disney is more interested in fart/scat scenes in their SW novels, i sincerly doubt this element is canon to the current lore.
>>745878475Early Naruto was so soulfull.Timeskips ruin every series it seems.
>>745861997Narutos chosenness requires a basically impossible condition that being Hagaromo being present
>>745881140Toonforce in itself would have been fine considering all the other wacky powers.The problem was the chosen one bullshit that came attached with it.
>>745878475He had to master SM to deal with Pein you moronUzumaki clan have good sealing chakra not higher capacityIf the final arc never happened Naruto would never awaken his AshuraKyuubi in nip folklore is the strongest of the bijuu
>>745881573He set the entire thing up
>>745882309And where is your evidence of this?
>>745881514>Naruto isn't a chosen one if I exclusively focus on the first arc and nothing else that's been addressed in this threadCool story bro
>>745861997the chosen one trope is in naruto and one piece was basically added post mortem once the franchise turned to garbage anyway, luffy was just a boy from a small island village and naruto a random orphan baby they used for the ritual to seal the demon, harry potter is a loser who lives under the staris of his foster parents and nobody likes anakin skywalker.
>>745869307Which is why Rance did a good job with it, I guess.
>>745862769you definitely belong in 4chan, fucking lol
>>745866914>I've literally been pointing that out for years.me me me
>>745862769They choose people that when chosen they see it as their responsibility to try their hardest. This is why they don't choose people like you.
>>745862231Outside of maybe Anakin, Naruto was the most 'Chosen One' of the bunch
>>745861997How gamers respond to characters like Kreia tells you everything about what they really want. They get triggered when an NPC doesn't immediately drop and fellate them on the spot. They want to be the chosen one.
>>745861997Being one? SureSeeing the same story trope copied hundreds of times? No
>>745862459Best way to do this is like Kingdom Hearts. Someone who isnt the chosen one but then gets chosen when they prove themselves on their own merit and character
>>745862231He's also the worst written out of all of them and doesn't belong up there with the other iconic ones.
>>745863945Luffy isnt really a chosen one
>>745864012Sounds jewish
>>745868135He also lost his 1v1 with Kizaru even if fightfags won't admit it. Kizaru came out of the fight momentarily dazed, Luffy was KO'd on the floor and only lived because "somebody who can move at the speed of light" offscreened him a bunch of food later.
>>745880832>>745881140
Isn't Luffy more like "Accidentally inherits the powers that make him an important figure" rather than a chosen one? He wasn't destined to eat the fruit, the fact that he ate it was basically a situational event. There's nothing in the story that says Luffy was destined to do that from birth, he was just hungry.
>>745885265Apparently not if this fag has a say in it >>745882309 >>745881521
>>745885265Yes, basically. Though the amount of prestige he comes from (his dad and grandpa being among the top 10 most important people in the world) don't help his case. If anything, his devil fruit is the chosen one.
>>745885265Yeah, it's more like his devil fruit was the chosen devil fruit and he just happened to be the guy that ate it because he was retarded.
>>745881994So it would seem
>>745885427No, he's this generations Joyboy. The fruit picked him because of his personality and traits. The sun and its connection to him has been linked to the entire story. Anyone claiming it as a last-minute asspull hasn't been paying attention since pre time skip
>>745885704Oda go back to drawing
>>745861997Being the chosen one a lot of the time dumbs down the story. Sometimes it even invalidates it entirely by going "muh destiny".The real reason they are hated is fake sincerity. It's infuriating when a story tries to make it's Mary Sue or Gary Stu seem relatable and just like your everyday generic goon.
>>745885265The fruit, a zoan with a will on its own, chose Luffy
>>745878426Not every chosen one irl had a hard time.Jesus had it rough.Muhamad had fun zutt zutt in the butt. https://youtu.be/3iY5b4zb_Zk
>>745861997The Chosen One trope makes no fucking sense in a video game story because it's expected that you, the player, and their character they control, is the Chosen One. Maybe not from a literal, narrative standpoint, but from the nature of being a fucking video game with progression, power ups, and a win condition, you the player are the chosen one.When the game's story also lays it on thick that "You are the chosen one, go do this", and keeps on singing you praises and talking about how there's some ancient prophecy, it's fucking eye-roll inducing because it's not as if you, the player, weren't going to do these things anyways regardless of some prophecy or vision telling you were you were destined to do these things.Chosen One tropes only work in movies, TV, cartoons and books where the audience isn't in control of the protagonist.
>>745862459>>745863827In general the Dark Souls trilogy, Bloodborne and Elden Ring are more about how literal nobodies get forged into being badasses and just accidentally become involved into being labeled chosen one, mostly via manipulation.
If you watch Naruto, are over the age of 18 and you don't think it's complete fucking trash, and his character isn't cringe as fuck rom the get-go with "Believe it!", "I am lel bullied faggot", '"I'm a cuck who likes a girl that doesn't like me back!", and you like the garbage ass story, you're low IQ and cringe yourself.
>>745885704Roger openly talked to Garp how he only made Ace in an attempt to get a child around the time to prophesied grand poobah is supposed to be born.There is obviously more soul- oh pardon me 'will' reincarnation than just the fruit.
>>745872084>more money equals better qualityBy your logic, the Star Wars sequel trilogy should be masterpieces.
Has any story ever left a sour taste in your mouth by a sudden Chosen One revelation?>story lays it thick that the other Xenoblade protagonists are Chosen Ones>Rex is just some dude who was at the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time>the only semblance of him being a "Chosen one" is him being connected to a bloodline of a fallen kingdom, but that's not even unique to him, and his bloodline was only needed to unlock the biomechanisms of an ancient ship rather than to actually use the McGuffin>story beats you over the head plenty of times that Rex is just some dude and that any more competent and skilled swordsman or warrior would have been a better partner for Pyra/Mythra (and they could have awakened them just like he did) and the only thing that sets him apart his his determination and naive optimism>actually rises to the occasion and becomes a powerful, better person all on his own and gets rewarded for it, saves the world, changes God's mind and befriends him, etc>story DLC just reveals that this was all predetermined 500 years ago in a vision
>>745874952>game lived long enough that in order to justify your MC being dick-sucked by everyone they had to reveal he's the reincarnation of the super-duper extra cool member of the local Organization XIIIAmazing.
No matter how much try to push it, Luffy is not the Chosen One. He just got lucky and got a strong fruit, and not even the strongest fruit in the series. Not to mention it took over 1000 chapters for him to unlock its full potential anyway.
>>745885998In Bloodborne you’re just trying to escape the nightmare hell of Yharnam. Hell the first time you arrive there its to find a cure.
>>745886375>Has any story ever left a sour taste in your mouth by a sudden Chosen One revelation?Tyranny, oh so much. I know i should have suspected something because there was no way in hell the devs were going for a full lawful evil campaign, but the railroading into having your MC becoming the one that will defeat Kyros was just embarassing.
>>745886375To be fair in the context of Xenoblade almost everything is predetermined outside of characters who exist outside of fate since the future can be predicted by the movement of matter. There wasn't some prophecy or legend dictating Rex is the chosen one. If anything the fact that his role is predetermined makes him far less of a chosen one than Shulk is.
Naruto should have been a genderbender show where he turns regularly into a girl.
>>745861997No more voice to skull when I'm made Kinghttps://educate-yourself.org/cn/How-to-Stop-Electronic-Harassment-via-Nano-Fungal-Infection005jun17.shtml
>>745871650Oh no, I didn't exclude myself, I'm also unapologetically narcissistic and self-absorbed, I'm just the only one who's completely honest about it.>>745874956Someone has to say the things everyone here is really thinking, and I don't see anyone else volunteering to do it.>>745875232There are people with healthy egos and then there are warped narcissists, and the latter swarm to 4chan like wasps to jam.>>745884676Yes, that's what virtually every post here boils down to.
>your MC is not just the chosen one, but the embodiment of a chosen one that has echoed via reincarnation for literal millennia and is destined no matter what to defeat a godlike HAL 9000 and free humanityThey really don't make stories like they used to.
What I dont get is if 99% of the One Piece world hates being seen as cattle or literal cannon fodder by the World Elites/dragons…why dont they all team up and kill them all? Then they can search for the treasure or fight amongst each other.
I unironically like how fire emblem awakening did it, where Robin is the product of the villain’s schemes and basically the antichrist but rebels against their fate
>>745886948Literally dreamt last night about itI gave my King Speech and then had to escape the corrupt powers that be in a rocketship and on horseback cause I went back in time to help with a famine.https://youtu.be/s64HwyhHlW4
>>745886398We will 100% fight Azem at some point, possibly as the final boss of what the devs will consider the end point. It's the natural conclusion.
>>745863192>>745877487>>745878605I dropped the show in the middle of the shinobi war arc since it was deathly long and boring, was Naruto really revealed to be the reincarnation of six paths sage?
>>745887000Look at the real world and apply the same logicYou're almost there
>>745887000>>745887323They need a King to ensure the world that follows after has structure, Lord Mountain Ihttps://youtu.be/szhBEwzCp6w
did one-piece ever become good or is it still shit?
>>745887736Out of everything listed in OP's picture, it's by far the best written story. Cope low IQ shitter.
>>745887000Uhh might have to do with the fucking marines and how they have set up the rules of the land, dividing all oceans and making deals with the warlords/emperors?And even ignoring the marines navy there's also the fact that they are hogging all the good fruit powers.You think regular faggots could square up against some nigger who is the physical embodiment of LIGHT?
>>745861997Stories are about change. People read stories to see what happens when the dominoes are arranged in a certain way and someone pushes them over. Why? Why care about that? Because it teaches you lessons about what you should do when confronted with such a situation. When the environment changes, how do you adapt?With these tropes (the chosen one, child of prophecy, superior blood, my dad is ninja jesus, the reincarnation of Buddha, the conga line of nepotism) there is no change. Fate was decided before the story even began. It tells the reader not to do anything in particular, but to simply hope you were always fated to succeed. That's a bad story. It doesn't even teach you to roll the dice and pray you get lucky, it teaches you that the dice were already rolled and there's nothing you can do about it.And no it's not true to life. It makes sense on paper, but it doesn't play out in practice. Isaac Newton's parents were farmers. Heritability is sloppy and, while eminent people roll better dice when they reproduce, there's way, way, way more normal people rolling dice.
>>745887829>OP>Best written storylmao
>>745885195He's crying because Roger told him he knew he had been poisoning his food/drinks
>>745888006Hi low IQ shitter. You get filtered?
>>745887000Because the World Government has set things up so that the people are extremely divided and unable to unite, and on top of that they're scared shitless. This idea gets introduced pretty damn early in the story anon.
>>745888050Filtered by garbage for retards? Yeah thank god I did
>>745887953I always like the stories where the hero just so happens to turn out to be the chosen one all along
>>745888408Wind Waker kind of did that. The Link in that game literally was just some random kid that incidentally ended up taking the mantle of the hero because he decided he had to save the world after his sister got kidnapped.
>>745888461Kino Waker
>luffy>chosen onei love headcanon
>>745888408So the tropes exist because of NPCs like you.
>>745878726Lmao you're a stupid fucking nigger ape
>>745888558>just wants to stop V2K>decides he has to save the world from NPCsAckshually...
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>>745888734https://youtu.be/NJwMbbP1MpM
>>745888535Literally as soon as him evading execution at Log Town Smoker LITERALLY monologues about Luffy as "if he was chosen by the heavens"
>>745861997It is most kino when the main character is some weak faggot but ends up defeating gods in the end. DS, ER, Bloodborne are good examples.If you start out as Bruce McAssraper the Unstoppable it leaves little room for progression
>>745888820okay grandpa time to take your meds and go back to >>>/x/
>>745862231Anakin literally subverts the chosen one trope and only does the prophecy on a technicality.
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>>745887292Nah one of his sons, Sasuke was the otherAnd it's more of mantling than reincarnation, I think it wasn't even something you get on birth
>>745862325Man the feeling of knowing that you will fall with single hit and the determination to take out as many foes as possible before it happens is the best!
>>745881140you forgot the most important part>after the legendary fruit got stolen, a random kid from east blue popped up with the same powers as the messiah and the WG just ignored him for years and even let him slip out of their hands on multiple occasions because...they didnt wanna draw attention to the fact that his fruit was special?
>>>745887000>99% of the One Piece worldSystematic/logistical issues that others have already mentioned aside, another issue is that lots of people believe there's nothing wrong with the current status quo and/or enthusiastically enforce it. They genuinely believe nothing bad will happen to them if they just keep their heads down and pay their taxes, and that their rights are permanently inalienable, even though "pirate" in the OP world basically amounts to "any seafaring persons that don't lick the World Government's boot". Then propaganda and the occasional good guy government pet like Garp or Kopy maintain this faith. Real life works pretty much the exact same way.
>>745861997Im not arrogant enough to be Jewish.Imagine an entire race who only characteristic is thinking they and they alone are special.Sorry but you're not a wizard Harry
>>745878003Yeah but he doesn’t know he’s the hero. Tears of the Kingdom or whatever is one of the very few sequels where link starts out knowing because it’s a sequel.
>>745862231Well hatgui ate some fruit that made him the super god of the sea, it wasn't his fault
>>745887000Same reason why people don't do that in real life.
>>745888871That's basically a fancy way of saying he's lucky as shit.
>>745861997not really noI just wanted to be a dude who stepped up to solve problems not a dude sucked off by some bullshit prophecies and the plot bending over to give me a reacharound just for convenience's sake
>>745890549Showing up on the exact day Zoro is going to be executed? Conveniently being picked up and dropped by a bird in the EXACT spot where Nami almost dies? Going to Usopp's island right before Kuro plans a coup to kill everyone and take the treasure? Arriving at Sanji's restaurant where Don Krieg AND Mihawk show up on the SAME DAY? Having the ONE power - the ONLY one - that could STAND against Enel? Would you like me to keep going or will you keep being a little cuck?
>>745891398Luck and coincidental meetings are how every heroes journey with a party progresses. Can you imagine a story made of near misses?
