If you play Japanese games, you need to learn Japanese. Simple as.
>>746477565I DONT WANT TO DO MY ANKI REPS
MTL + knowledge up to hiragana, katakana and 30 years of being a weeb are enough to get me by.
why would I learn gook shit when they speak perfectly fine english?
>>746477565you will never learn slang or culture from learning a language and duolingo went to shit with ai.
>>746480125Duolingo was always shit lmao
>>746477565It's not that easy woman! Even kid shit has vocab I don't know.
>>746477565I've learnt the most of hiragana and katakana with a few that trip me up. Main goal right now is to be able to play a Pokemon game in Japanese. Eventually I'd like to play untranslated RPGs with kanji down the road.
>>746477565>learn Japanese>can't pirate jack shit because the country v&s anyone hosting anything and nobody else but the Chinese care enough to (rarely) do it for them in their secret clubsWhat's the point?
>>746477565But I don't like the language or the culture/history and I don't plan to ever go to Japan.
>>746477565I can just fantasize about what they are saying and have fun
>>746477565There are too many words. I watch a SoL anime and still end up mining 50+ words, it never fucking ends.Though just playing some vidya without auto-advancing dialogue is easy enough you can do it after a year. Any game, really. Will just take some effort.
>>746477565I cant because I am too retardedMost of what I want to play has been translated enough already anyway.
>>746477565Already learnt japaneseNow japanese games are either pozzed straight from the source or aimed at dumb zoomers so they are just either wayDont learn japanese in 2026
>>746484174True, maybe Korean or Chinese is the better pick nowadays.But I fear it's all eventually moving towards the same direction.
>>746477565i study everyday, i will become fluent in japanese, i am a good boy
What about Mario games?
>>746477565>if you eat italian food you have to live with an italian grandma for 5 years>if you fuck a chinese hand job whore you have to go to mandarin economic zone #3 for half your life>if you jerk off to a slav insta model you have to spend three weeks in a gulag drinking fermented bread vodka and eating half rotten potatoes (typical russian vacation)>if you season your grilled skirt steak with chiles and too much sugar and pepper you need to post from a 3rd story mud and 2x4 brazilian favela with the satellite internet equivalent of first gen DSL for 4 months
>>746484662But unironically.
I thought I could learn if I played a simple game like Pokemon but it becomes a pain looking up kanji and conjugation every sentence.
>>746477565I have peaked at eternal N4. I will keep struggling, but I don't think I can make it further. Doesn't help that atm I'm not naturally spending much time on nip games.Still, I want to train my スピード further. Any recs on VNs that aren't too horrible for me to care about nor ridiculously sophisticated in language but aren't too great to the point I'll feel bad when I'm not getting 100% of the plot? Just something to grease the wheel. Bonus if no/togglable furigana.
>>746477565I think I'll rather quit playing Japanese games. What's the last good game japs even made, I don't know anymore. They're irrelevant now.
>>746484662I like that these punishment times are generally in scale with how tolerable they are.
>>746477695So don't. Just read/listen more. Anki doesn't teach you the language anyway.
>you need tono i don't, i just do it because i like it
>>746480125You learn shitloads of slang (and culture) from reading manga because the text is 99% dialogue.>duolingo went to shitDuolingo is a scam dude. How can a scam "go to shit"? lol
>>746483075Kana only text is impossible to read as a beginner because you can't tell where words end/begin. Also you can't differentiate homophones without kanji.
>>746483925You're not meant to mine every word.Only the ones that are very frequent.
>>746484174So play some of the thousands of games released before they got """pozzed""".>>746484832Don't look up everything. You need to spend some time just being comfortable with ambiguity. This helps you increase your reading speed and helps you train your ability to infer meaning through context.
>>746485916seconding this, i started with yotsuba and after a short while i noticed it's harder to read what yotsuba herself is saying, because it's always kana only
>>746485960How are you supposed to learn the rare words? Never?
But I already have. Today I'm playing this, which is a fun little PowerPro clone where you play as the manager and do PK to fund your retarded team.
>>746486215True. That said, I tried doing the full immersion tadoku-style plunging through words with Yotsuba and didn't end up learning much. I came back to it now as an N3 peasant and reading it is so much more satisfying.I also recommend しろくまカフェ. It's pretty funny and it's got short chapters.
>>746486559>I also recommend しろくまカフェi'd read it if i could find a decent copy, alll scanlations i came across are dogshit
>>746486661It's available on Nyaa. Furigana is pretty small but decipherable.
>>746485960If anything, that's the exact opposite of what you should be doing. Why mine "very frequent" words if you already see them often enough.But it's easier to just mine everything because a word may be frequent or absent entirely depending on the setting, story, and writer's active vocab.
>>746477565Do Jap girls really look this cute IRL?
>>746477565Reading porn is also a good way. The problem is it needs to be a lot of porn.
>>746487903>The problem is it needs to be a lot of porn.I don't understand this problem, because Japan produces an insane amount of porn. More high quality content comes out weekly than I can ever hope to consume.
>>746486814i'll give it a shot then, thanks
Post that one site with the guide and PC setup.
>>746477565What JP only games are out there that one would deem worthy enough to learn how to read JP instead of applying a language patch, or using outside programs to translate on the fly
>>746488464Translations are garbage at best. Even worse when you're using MTL slop.
>>746483101skill issue
>>746488521I'd take jeet coded mtl slop over cygame's trannylation team's slop any day
>>746488521I moreso mean older titles, like ps2 era at the furthest
>>746488549>I'd take jeet coded mtl slop over cygame's jeet coded mtl slopFixed that for you.
>>746488549what about understanding the text yourself and not having someone else interpret it for you?
>computer only talks in katakanaThis is beyond cancer to read
>>746489142indeed the Dark Souls of videogames.
>>746477565This. It's like Horii Yuji said. English is just too simplistic of a language to properly convey Japanese writing. Learn Japanese or stop consuming Japanese media. Translation, localization and dubbing are all types of cultural appropriation.
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>>746477565>tried to actually start doing jp reps half a year ago>started memorizing kana for a bit>used anki for like 3 weeks>forgot to do my reps one day and just completely blanked on them for a long while>barely remember any kana or kanji nowam i too retarded for this language learning shit
>>746490617you didn't even try
>>746490617You need to use the language
>>746488780desu it feels like I'm translating as I go with how often I check the dictionary I think I need a few more years of anki droning
>>746490890Don't fall into this trap. You need to use the language, not just trying to learn words.
>>746490617anon i am extremely forgetful, as in i literally forget common words in my native language, i forget to do shit i reminded myself of 30 seconds earlier, stuff like that. actually affecting my life.and i still managed to learn kana and can read a little bit of kanji and such. there is no excuse.
aside from immersion, what's the best way to just reliably learn as many words as possible?
>>746492317Immersion
>>746492317>what's 2+2? And don't say 4!!!try duolingo
>>746492349thanks>>746492370tongue my anus
>>746477565What comes after cure dolly?
>>746492317Learning antonyms and synonyms of a word will help you out.
>>746477565Already did. I played and enjoyed stuff like manosaba and village in the shade before EOPs ruin the discourse around them.
>>746483101You buy the JOP stuff with the money you get from your JOB.
>>746492452i am attracted to cure dolly
>>746492452The realization and crushing sadness you will never have a cute android gf that teaches you grammar
>>746490890anki droning is straight up pointless if you are already immersing like that because looking shit up is already a form of spaced repetition learningeventually after a while you will stop looking up basic wordsthen you stop looking up uncommon but still important stuffthen you start only looking up only rare stuffthen you basically become fluent and only need to look up stuff even natives would have to look up, and that's assuming the game itself doesn't account for that and doesn't immediately explain the fuck they just said right after
>>746492726>>746493059:(
Every ocr software for games is retarded and has too many issues. Anime/manga/visual novels/light novels are a lot easier to use as immersion material.
>>746477695Then don't. Go immerse already.Unless you want to be like those retards at r/LearnJapanese who know 20k words through Anki but still can't understand or read shit out in the open because the only context in which they know how all that vocab works is the one they see in Anki.
>>746493764literally just use poricom and call it a day, all the hooker and whore ocr solutions are a fucking meme
I am! Learning is fun!
>>746495182Based fun haver
>>746494151Thanks for the suggestion, i unironically just started to take pictures on my phone and used the built in dictionary whenever i saw a word i didn’t know.
>>746477565I have, but I don't really like Japanese games.
>>746477565>just learn a language, nbd
>Me when I'm still trying to learn Al Bhed>When will I find all the cipher
The hardest thing with immersion and what makes me struggle is that I feel like I need to be fine with only understanding like half or even less or what I'm reading. I have a decent grasp on grammar but I still struggle to grasp more than the general idea of a sentence and identifying the subject isn't always easy either (still mixing up the I/you/they). But I guess the trick is to simply push on and let your brain subsconsciouly record language patterns so it ends up making sense over time.
>>746495691>But I guess the trick is to simply push on and let your brain subsconsciouly record language patterns so it ends up making sense over time.Yeah you've got it. That's the whole point.
>>746495691>But I guess the trick is to simply push on and let your brain subsconsciouly record language patterns so it ends up making sense over time.that's half of itthe other half is stop mentally translating it in your head to westoidese and forcefully understanding it raw in japaneseonce you "get" it, immersion becomes exponentially easier
>>746495691I recently read ATRI as my first VN that I have not read before in English.Aside from the all the water and technology related jargon, I think I did grasp what was being told to me. BUT it feels like I didn't "enjoy" it as much as I could.And what if this is true? I don't want my experiences with games or VNs be lesser. Should I avoid stuff that is completely new to me, and stick with rereading/replaying stuff that I'm already familiar with?How long does it take until I can enjoy something in the same capacity as in english?
>>746496201>How long does it take until I can enjoy something in the same capacity as in english?after a while you will not be able to consume translated material at all
>>746495691>The hardest thing with immersion and what makes me struggle is that I feel like I need to be fine with only understanding like half or even less or what I'm reading.Yes and no. Making sense of something despite not fully understanding it is useful. That said, it still has to be enjoyable and it can't lose you completely. Here, check this.https://tadoku.org/japanese/en/free-books-en/
I finished reading fire punch for the first time one month ago on japanese and i'm still looking for something as good
>>746496334But before that happens, I feel like it would a waste to read/play something in japanese because I might enjoy it less
>>746477695It's so easy doe
>>746492317anki
>>746496523>I feel like it would a waste to read/play something in japanese because I might enjoy it lessthis is literal cope to procrastinate, just reread it againyou would be surprised how much extra depth you actually understand after a decent jump in comprehension, it unironically feels like reading it for the first time again from how much you missed
>>746496030>the other half is stop mentally translating it in your head to westoidesecrucial part that's not always easy because it's something you always have to learn and then unlearn no matter the languagefor overlay readers, it's where being lazy can actually be beneficial "oh fuck I had enough of parsing through several definitions to find what fits best 甘い just means 甘い let's continue" is the good thought process>>746496201read moege, stuff that you've already finished or just something you know will be middling, that way you won't miss much but even then you WILL want to go back to that work later on once you've improvedthe work on which you started practicing will become a reference point for you and you alone so it's kinda nice to have that personal relationship with a work>>746496334I tend to disagree, there are translators I enjoy a lot and sometimes I'd rather read them than the original, I'm an ESL and sometimes I deliberately go for translations of English works as well.
>>746496740>crucial part that's not always easy because it's something you always have to learn and then unlearn no matter the languageIt's not rare for people to say the hardest part of learning japanese is unfucking your cognitive functions from the literal brain cancer that is english.And mind you that is very much true, and this is also why the very few spics and non-english yuros, and even some SEAnigs that have enough cognition to learn another language have such an easy time learning japanese, because they just skip the hard part.
>>746496709>this is literal cope to procrastinate,What? I did suggest the alternative, rereading/replaying something that I already have read/played. Who cares if I enjoy it less? I've already read/played it in english.But I'm going to take this as you didn't care about this when you started learning.>>746496740Yeah maybe I just need to stick with "mid". ATRI was something I was looking forward to.
I'll start playing the new steins gate reboot on japanese soon
>learning Japanese>translate in my head because it helps when breaking down sentences>naturally stop doing it over time, with zero effort on my partEvery thread, there's a bunch of fuckers shouting not to translate in your head. I don't think it matters at all.
>>746496870>Yeah maybe I just need to stick with "mid". ATRI was something I was looking forward to.the issue is the balance between it being motivational to read and not wanting to spoil itI'd recommend just "burning" the stuff that motivates you to read them on the altar of language acquisition though if it's actually feels too hard then do postpone it
>>746484015kinda same, I don't have the resource to "just learn Japanese", neither the time nor the money for extra tuition. So what's the pitch, kinda try on the side, and get proficient in 5+ years? Okay and then? Play some shit-ass VN that nobody cares about?I don't like bad translations that change the context in major releases, that sucks, but the "just learn the language brah" is bs, I think it's a deflection
>>746497634>I don't have the resource to "just learn Japanese",lmao what are you saying? you literally have access to the internet
>>746496523ESL here, I learned the English language through vidya like most of the ESLs here and I still remember certain turning points in my experience. I played early SNES/N64/GB games basically by just pressing my way through not understanding any words. Around the time of Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft I was 'capable' of reading English and playing the games but not so much following the actual story or understanding it. At some point after playing enough vidya things just clicked, and I was able to replay wc3 and deepdive into the lore.Replaying games aint prohibited and I'd say it's in fact encouraged when you're still learning
>>746497634can you see yourself consuming Japanese media in 10 years?if so, then at least open up to the possibility of learningyou will pick up a lot just by being exposed to the language, if you realize:exposure to language = learning language
>>746488780God I wish that were me
>>746497707resource is not just "there is stuff available". Self-tuition is not for everbody - I know for example, that I need structure that "here's a workbook hf" just does not provide. *Time* is also a resource, as is energy. When it comes to the question "should I just learn a language on the side" or, if we're talking about "work/study", read things that help me professionally? The priority is clear. OP and some folks in here treat learning a language, especially Japanese like it's this trivial thing, when it simply isn't.
>>746477565>Learning Japanese
>>746497965The thing with japanese is that to get fluent in it, you basically have to NEED it.Either you need it for work (or get fired), you need it to live (or starve to death in japan), or you need it to not spiritually die (or stick to westoidese).It very much cannot be a "side" thing, you either NEED it or you don't learn it, it's that simple.
There were nudes of this mascot girl but I can't find any.
>>746498103yup, that's what I'm getting at. I mean sure I enjoy some JP media like movies and shows, but that's not enough to drive that learning. I could of course just desu desu desu my way through the worldI'm also an oldfag, so my perspective might be different anyway
>>746498170I've got a few variants but not the nude one unfortunately
>>746498103Having had to learn French in school and having since forgotten it, this is basically true of any language. If you're not actively engaging with it regularly then you're slowly slipping back. That said, if you're fighting to find a reason to learn a language before you've even started, you're doomed.
>>746497720bro its way different with jp since you are probably from europe so you already know latin alphabet and shit. you probably just had it like >see the word "play" that starts the game>thus it means to start the game?like you already know how to pronounce it and shit, but with jp you have to learn fucking kanji and kana shit first and you are not a young nigger anymore, i spent all my life interacting with english and i knew how to read english since i were a kid so i had like 20+ years of doing it
>>746499129>>see the word "play" that starts the game>>thus it means to start the game?You do the same with japanese, that's why immersion is so important.
>>746499129Kanji is easy. Kanji is the guiding light that compensates for your shit vocabulary. It's a crutch. Anyone who believes that kanji is the bottleneck to learning Japanese never moved past being a beginner.
>>746499129It's not different at all there's just an extra layer to it, one that's not insurmountable mind you as I know enough Cyrillic natives who did the exact same thing with games like WC3 and HOMM. Learning Kana as an adult takes less than 2 weeks if you really want to know Japanese. From there on you can use furi to read kanji and otherwise just keep a jouyou kanji list at the ready. Just consume content
Can anyone recommend me (Finished a grammar book + did Kaishi 1.5K last week) a vinnie, linnie or any other media to immerse? Choice paralysis got me and now i cant choose anything...
>>746477565i wish japan didn't replace half of their language with bastardized english.
>>746500003You say that as if their bastardized Chinese is any better.
>>746499942https://exhentai.org/g/3866483/0cc62e45ac/read hentai
>>746499939>>746499653ok when is that point where i can start reading or playing shit?? i once thought its kinda enough to start but the first game with easy jp filtered me so hard it started to get tedious to translate everything and sitting there with OCR trying to find the meaning of the word
>>746499942Anything, whatever you choose you will struggle even if it’s baby shit so just do something you know you will enjoy. My first immersion material was Love Live. The official /djt/ guide was Hanahira>wolfgirl>steins gate but hanahira was boring as shit.
>>746499939>Learning Kana as an adult takes less than 2 weeks if you really want to know Japanese.big ol' fucking [x]doubt there
>>746500232Yeah it takes a few days using https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/
>>746477565I can now play any japanese game with a real time translation overlay but there's currently nothing I'm interested in playing
>>746499942You have two options for something easy.You can't really do VNs because while they are easier than other texts AND are voiced, they are still above your grade.You can't really do LNs because even the simplest ones are way above your grade.Vidya works, but you split your focus between gameplay and reading, and it can get fatiguing if you just want to play the fucking game.Anime works, and it's one of the first things you get access to easily past the beginner bump, but you haven't gotten past that beginner bump, which means trying to watch anime raw or even with JP subtitles means it will be too fast for you to parse.That leaves you with 2 options.One, literal shounenslop, dragon ball, naruto, bleach, JJK, HxH, etc.They are basic enough that even literal toddlers can read it and you get a metric fuckton of furigana to make things even easier, the only "hard" parts will be terminology, names, worldbuilding, and powerscaling shit, which go down the throat easy with the fuckton of furigana, visual aid, and shounenshit not being that complicated.Two, literal doujins and hentai, not even joking, the plots are extremely simple, but this also results on extremely simple language, you may not get furigana depending on what you fap to, but they are very easy to read, and the either lovey-dovey or rapey-funny bits will still be simple enough for you to get decent vocabulary.
>>746488464Notice how not a single person replied with a game worth playing
>>746488464>>746500461notice how jp media is so broad and varied across so many mediums that you have to at least narrow down somewhat your preferences to get any recs at all, pissy niggerfor example, what is the point of trying to rec you obscure autistic combat-heavy VNs if you just want to watch romcom anime?and also ignores this is not limited to non-translated stuff, the westoidese versions are always literal fanfics meaning nothing is properly translated either way
>>746500196>Learn Kana>Watch cure dolly or read tae kim, don't heavily study it>Read, tolerate ambiguity The hardest part of this is tolerating ambiguity, which at the beginning there'll be a lot of.If you really MUST have a studying hook to it then use intensive and extensive reading. For example:>Read shirokuma café in Japanese, don't look up anything>Read it again in English, or read the Japanese one while translating EVERY word>3rd read once again in Japanese
>>746500232it took me like a week to learn hiragana using anki flashcards and i'm a notorious brainlet with terrible memory, presumably it'd take another week if i wanted to learn katakana so his estimate sounds right to me
>>746499942One of my first games was Tokimeki Memorial and it was pretty good for a beginner I think. Primarily conversational Japanese, not a lot of jargon or specific terms, and very repetitive so you're drilling phrases into your head. I'd avoid anything high fantasy/scifi at first since you're going to run into a lot of jargon that isn't really widely applicable.
>>746500571There isn't anything worth playing in japanese anymore
>>746500619What games do you play
>>746477565>normal mtl>AIlol, lmao
Ive played dozens of japanese games without the need to learn their fucking language, and thats how i will continue suck me dry op
>>746500232Fun fact, you can actually straight up skip "learning kana" by just going through the next step in the guide by assuming you already learnt them all and instead just look them up on a chart whenever needed, which early on will be literally on every single kana, but it gets easier down the line.The end result is "learning" kana in 3 seconds, and actually learning them through repetition in like a week while actually progressing things that matter in the grammar and kanji angles.
>>746500757>a literally sabotaged westoid fic>and picrel
>>746484662I say this and do this.
>>746477565賛成In all seriousness, I learned moon years ago and anyone who spends years of their life on 4chan and consuming countless hours consuming Japanese media who doesn't learn Japanese is a fucking retard.>>746479234Having lived there for 6 years, I can promise you that they don't.
I AM learning Japanese at the moment, i spent a year learning on my own, i did the Bunpro JLPT N5 test and i passed with 74% grade (50/67).https://imgur.com/a/E3bhaVtI plan on continuing learning on my own and hopefully reach N3 which is more than enough for Games/Anime.
fuck gooks and their runes
>>746477565>bout to hit 40 next year>never been to japanI guess this is my last chance to learn moon and go on a 2 week vacation next year. i feel like my body is decaying rapidly at this point of my life. I gotta do this.
>>746484662>if you eat italian food you have to live with an italian grandma for 5 yearsyou don't to know italian to eat italian food, however your analogy is retarded when the number 1 piece of advice often given to tourists is to avoid tourist trap restaurants and go off the main roads to eat at family-run restaurants, which have better food for cheaper>if you fuck a chinese hand job whore you have to go to mandarin economic zone #3 for half your lifeyou don't need to know chink to get chink STDs >if you jerk off to a slav insta model you have to spend three weeks in a gulag drinking fermented bread vodka and eating half rotten potatoes (typical russian vacation)you don't need to know byat to wank off to some 3dpd ruskie whore, though you may need google translate to find those images in the first place>if you season your grilled skirt steak with chiles and too much sugar and pepper you need to post from a 3rd story mud and 2x4 brazilian favela with the satellite internet equivalent of first gen DSL for 4 monthsyou don't need to know hue/spic to use hue/spic seasonings, through again, you may need mtl to read their recipes, as westoid recipes may be inferiorand again, none of these examples are media experiences with focus on narrative, which by definition require focus on the language used, also none of these examples have a literal 30+ year industry of sabotaging niggers hellbent on ruining the given example out of jealously through literal cultural imperialism and appropriationat most, like with the italian example, you get a few cheap grifters taking advantage of clueless tourists, but i don't see a horde of people saying eating italian food is pointless because it's literally all bad, basing this opinion off said grifter cheapshit tourist trap sloppa, who then proceed to constantly attack you for even trying to eat anything italian at all, like i see for people trying to experience jp media as the original authors intended
>>746477565>started duolingo 2 weeks ago>already understanding 90% of the weird runes on my gamesI think.... I'm gonna make it.....
>>746477695Me too man. But it DOES work.
>>746500212>Hanahirawhere can i find it?
how does anki work, for a brainlet? how do I know how many times to repeat, how spaced out the repetition should be?
>>746477695>>746480178>too lazy/overwhelmed for anki>everyone agrees dualingo is shit>no japanese classes in my general areaWhat do?
But what is he saying /v/?
>>746493764i just dont get why the mobile ocrs are so fast and why the desktop ones are so shitty and slowmakes doing pc gaming so painful
>>746493059When is it our time!?
>>746501852you use yomitan to create cards and everything else happens automatically
>>746496030>the other half is stop mentally translating it in your head to westoidese and forcefully understanding it raw in japanese>once you "get" it, immersion becomes exponentially easierAny advice on how to "get" it? I do try to think in terms of Japanese, but do you have any specific advice for this?
>>746502091read more
>>746501852You don't need to know those. That's the point of Anki.
None of you even reached N5.
>>746501865I'd you don't mind spending some money, try migii jlpt. It's a decent app that has a lot of jlpt resources and can give you the same daily kick that duolingo does while giving you some actual proper practice applicable to exams. Free version is kind of trash though.
>>746502114Is that all you really need to do? Is there any mental exercise I can do to build a neural pathway to it? Or is it just time?
>>746502371looks kinda neat. yeah as long i'm not spending like 100 dollars on some flashcard program. i'll try the free version just to feel it out. thanks anon.
>>746502091If you really want to brute force it, force your brain into only ever using japanese and instantly stop any train of thought done in english, even if it's anything as small as "damn", or "what the fuck", or "I fucking forgot" and "I understand it now", stop it and re-say it in japanese in your internal monologue, and if you don't know how to say it in japanese, you fucking look it up.Is it fucking exhausting? Yes, you may unironically start to get sleepy from the brain fatigue after a mere 10 minutes from how fucking exhausting it is.But even if you're a complete fucking brainlet you will "get" it after a mere few hours and you easily "unlock" thinking in japanese.
>>746502524be aroused or scared
>>746501795Its on Nyaa, obviously don’t get the English patched version. I wouldn’t recommend it cos its boring as shit. Better off playing pokemon but getting a texthooker/ocr setup for video games is harder than visual novels.
>>746502524read more/listen more is literally all it takes, if you want to speak to actual Japanese people than speak more
>>746477565hello boys i have some questions1. is jpdb worth using instead of anki or should it be used as a supplement to anki? i hate srs but i cant deny that its magic and jpdb means i can spend more time on immersion and not having to mine2. best 2026 grammar guide? i use yokubi and have read it back to front dozens of times but the way it explains verbs is very confusing and i feel like a lot of stuff isnt clicking, every other grammar guide is even more confusing though
>>746500212>The official /djt/ guide was Hanahira>wolfgirl>steins gate but hanahira was boring as shitBut steins;gate is boring as shit too...
>>746500705Notice how he didn’t respond to this
>>746477565Anime nowadays: trashJapanese video games: trashnot much difference to western entertainment.
>>746484174>Dont learn japanese in 2026No, there are many old games that are worth playing plus we get a new good modern japanese game every now and then.Plus i don't learn it just for games, there are also music and anime and drama and the culture itself.
>>746502724Yes the point is read whatever you find interesting. Everything is difficult if you are not a native even toddler shit like Pokemon so just read/watch/play something you want to instead of looking at difficulty levels.
>>746502801and hentai
>>746477565If you have time to distract yourself from games to learning Japanese, it shows that their games aren't that fun.
>>746502719>best grammar guideJapanese the Manga Way, then use DoJG whilst immersing in media.
Most of the people on this site are language learning babies, i already know English, Arabic and Japanese. Most of the people learning Japanese are learning it as a second language not a third.
>>746477565>https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/Has anyone here tried the 30 day routine to get stated? Seems a bit cut and dry, like it recommends starting immersion at day 2, but if this works I'll start today.
>>746502719>and i feel like a lot of stuff isnt clicking,if you are a brainlet, just go watch jouzu jouls on goytubeit's literally just cure dolly but watered down for ease of understandingand if you forget or it doesn't stick, just watch the videos again
>>746502967Dont follow that 30 day shit but the site is great for all the resources. One thing he gets right is to start immersing as soon as you’re done with the kana and a little bit through kaishi.
>>746502524Speaking as someone who made it despite having shit for attention span, the answer from my experience is J-J dictionaries. If you can wrap your head around the actual definition of the word instead of its English translation, picture it in some way or whatever, you'll get misled a lot less.But yeah, the long-term answer is just consuming more language.
>>746501894>ヒュウイゴッ!(中出されるの喜びの意)
>his deck doesn't consist of three-fourths idiomsngmi
スレにみなさんは「出来ない」。そんなことをしてるの。私的あんた無理だ。
Japanese Netflix is heaven for Japanese learning, lots of animes and dramas with Japanese Caption subs.
>>746503179Do ankinogs really?
>>746503038Yeah, I'm not going to follow it 100%, thanks tho
>>746503301wtf is this real
So is Mattvsjapan method possible? just listening until you learn the language? (focusing on input)
>>746502967Just follow the regular guide. But one change I'd make is setting your Anki FSRS retention rate to 80%, down from 90%. When you're doing 20 new cards a day at 1m 5m 10m intervals, this makes such an unbelievable difference without impacting your actual retention too much. And honestly you will forget half of Kaishi anyway, it's just a deck to get your foot in the door. Start immersing ASAP. Do it today if you can. Even if you don't understand anything, just begin immediately, and don't procrastinate.
>>746503301is this real???
ESL here i learned English just by playing vidya and watching movies. Anybody trying to shill Anki to you is a troon don't listen to xhem.
>>746503347well consider that matt lost and japan won and then make your own conclusion
I started Bunpo about two weeks ago. Once I have a solid handle on vocab and grammar basics I think I’ll start a children’s game in Japanese.
>>746503347Sure, if you're fucking retarded. The written language is easier than the spoken one.
>>746477565I put every game that has a Chinese dub to Chinese. Learned so much ching chong this way.
>>746503301this reminds me of when i went to the big dino museum in japan they had people in dino costumes at the entrance doing this sort of silly dance in the blazing heatit was a great performance and everyone thought it was really funny so i have the upmost respect for the museum staff members inside those costumes on such a hot day trying to put on a hilarious show for all the guests
>>746489142You get used to it
>>746503496Lies, how were you able to learn the meaning of chinkoglyphs?
Am proud to be able to play pokemon FireRed in japanese and understand a lot, a lot of retards can't read hiragana only text.
>>746502724Ain't that the truth, I tried reading the S;G VN in English and had to drop it after several hours. Now imagine reading that shit to try and learn Jap, sounds genuinely painful
>>746503347You can get very fluent like that, but it's inefficient. Matt's argument stems from the fact that when you learn your mother tongue, you learn it entirely by listening and doing very basic speaking before you learn to read and write. Just one problem - you lose this "language sponge" power the older you get, and also you need to basically have 100% coverage of Japanese in your daily life. This is next to impossible if you are not living there.Just learn to read and listen all at once. It's not that hard.
the ESL turdie thirdie blobs that post here can barely speak english, lets take it one step at a time
>>746503663I am proud to be weeb, we need our pride day just like the LGBT community.
>>746477565How the fuck are you meant to mine games? No, seriously. Constantly having to ALT TAB, click the Yomitan button, then ALT TAB / refocus back on the game window is, uh, disruptive.
>>746503347>mattvsjapan methodWhich one? This nigga flip flops so often on what he recommends.
>>746503826Game sentence miner solves this but its really finicky and doesnt always work.
>>746503826I do it by recording a chapter uploading it to youtube and then mine everything, after which i move on to the next chapter.
>>746503826games should mostly be for listening or light readingdont worry about mining because the word you are trying to mine will show up again in another work of fiction>inb4 oh but its rare or oh its a game specific wordread more
>>746503826mining is a meme, just do the first 200-500 cards of whatever deck you feel works fine and then go straight to immersion and looking shit up as you immerse, the lookup process works as spaced repetition, which anki is supposed to coveryou also get both terms, conjugations, lingo, and far more immediately useful vocabulary by doing this, instead of sticking to an arbitrary list of raw vocab like you do with anki
>>746503852His method is basically watch anime/listen to japanese all day everyday until you learn the language.
>>746503984I've been doing that for 15 years and that hasn't worked
I fucking hate Anki and mining.Anyway listen to this song by the queen utada.https://youtu.be/fKsETSl_cyU?si=dUpJbglvthyrnrHE
>>746504017Without subs/only Japanese subs nigga.
>>746503984Thats literally what everyone recommends thoughThe thing is that you should also be reading because the reading and listening help each otherSticking to just one or the other is only doing 25% but together it is 75%
>>746503984>>746504087speaking of which when im just starting out should i be watching with jp subs or completely rawim asking because the djt guide and moeway both recommend watching raw but surely its better to watch with jp subs at first then wean off them as you get a slightly better handle of ordinary conversations and accent variations?
>>746504087People who don't have the discipline to try and learn properly so they look for magical no-effort methods like that probably don't have the discipline to dedicate their entire existence to media they won't understand for a long time.
>>746504017Yeah cos you’ve been using english subs of course you won’t learn Japanese that way.
>live in japan>motivation to study comes and goes>mountains of textbooks, online resources>just want something to just work at for a while and not have to jump between self study materials and endlessly watch anime etc>just in an endless beginner loop of "find new resource, try to make a habit, too bored, give up, repeat"is there any hope or should i just go back home
>>746504208Jp subs first raw way later
>>746504393why are you in japan if you don't know the language retard
>>746477565i immersed by watching hyouka and that was brutal it raped me. switched to some easier anime and its much more manageable
>>746504208Watch with JP subs if you know hiragana/katakana and some kanji.
>>746504393Are you serious? Most people here would love to have that opportunity. Do you not have any intrinsic desire to speak to natives, explore the world around you, learn new hobbies, all by learning the language of where you live? What the fuck do you mean, you get bored? You have to be ragebaiting, I can't believe this. How did you even get into the country in the first place?
Is it true that gaijin are like 3% of the population in japan? that's very low and make us weebs look like rare species.
>>746504426>>746504465thanks, where can i find subs thenmost places only have english subs
>>746504576tourists are like 40% of tokyo's population
>>746502593NTA, but: you can look into jiten.moe or jpdb.io for flashcard decks that you want to mine with content in mind, if that also helps. Renshuu is a good, also free, site that you can test grammar on individual levels to learn it properly. Bunpo (Bunpro?) is another site for grammar, but you have to pay (not worth it). You can use Lengualytics to look for YouTube content for immersion listening. There is also this really simple "Graded Reader" manga called "Crystal Hunters." Kind of ass, but it's good enough to test babby's first introduction to manga and also has a native Japanese edition when you want to upgrade. Both are available nationally. You can mine manga using a built-in dictionary extension through Chromium browsers called Yomitan. With that, you can find manga .json files to load in Mokuro to read and study at the same time. Also the NS has an easy swap to Japanese via the console language and will allow you to play most games in Japanese.t. learning Japanese right now, but gay enough to pay for an online class
>>746504645Jimaku, you will have to add them to the video file though. Use https://animecards.site/minefromanime/ this site for everything desu it gives you all the info/tools needed for anime.
>>74650457690% of the foreigners living in Japan are from China, Korea, and a flavor of SEA
>>746504393kek ur probably a jeet anchor baby. well they dont have birthright citizenship kek
>>746504645https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2FThis site have subs for selected animes, you have to find the right anime for the right subs and they have to match though which is extremely annoying, i use their subs to watch Japanese Pokémon.Japanese Netflix is another way to watch anime with japanese subs which requires a VPN like SoftEther.
>>746504676>tourists>populationAnon...
you niggers say immersion then what games with easy jp should i play?
>>746504981unironically pokemon
>>746504494i can communicate okay day to day but sometimes i'll need to talk to someone and they have zero communication skills and its like a brick walljust a flurry of words i've never heard with no gestures, context, or hints and it's just like "wow i know nothing what the fuck am i doing here"i'm sitting there asking if he can say it again slowly as i desperately try to pick out any keywords i might know as he repeats the same shit at the same speedi have intrinsic desire to learn and do hobbies and everything but a high level of japanese just isnt necessary for my day to daybut things like job interviews and buying a house are like pulling teethi'm sure it sounds stupid but i just feel like i know tons of stuff but none of it is connected and i just dont know where to start.like, i tried japanese group lessons and they were so boring and itr was 2 hours every week of listening to indians mangle the language and introducing myself to the revolving door or japanese staff and/or SEA peoplei tried genki textbooks but they're in japanese and super dry and honestly i just speed through and don't recall muchi try apps like anki and it goes great for a few days then i forget for a week and then it's 700 reviews that i don't remember at all, and i just end up memorizing a bunch of useless vocab anywayi want to get better i just don't know where to start
>>746504981Pokemon is the easiest and it can't get easier than that, but it's extremely hard for new learners, so yeah you gotta spend at least 1 year learning the language than start playing vidya.
>>746504981dont listen to him >>746505023pokemon is all kana which is fine if you are intermediate but its a nightmare for beginners because its impossible to parse for non natives who are just learning the language
>>746504981世界樹の迷宮
>>746505040>then i forget for a weekThis is the problem, no consistency means you wont progress past the beginning
>>746502241I passed the N1 7 years ago while I was in school in Tokyo.
>>746505040do you know the difference between wa and ga? (most learners don't)
no i don'thttps://github.com/ramjke/translumo
>>746504981Persona 3
If you aren't gonna move to the inaka and learn some dialect that only the surrounding towns speak why even bother
>>746505175Serious question then, why are you in this thread?
>>746505040Literally just pick any piece of media and watch/read/play it while looking up words
>>746505023>>746505084which one i never played any>>746505107what then>>746505237mhm yeah bro sure
>>746504986wtf? I was able to read that. Maybe there's hop... >>746503545 yeah never mind.
>>746504820>you will have to add them to the video file thoughNot necessarily. If you add this to your MPV settings (mpv.conf):># auto-import subtitle files in same folder>sub-auto=fuzzyThen videos you open in MPV will automatically load subtitle files in the same folder with matching filenames. All you have to do is download the subs and rename them.
>>746505241I want to move to an abandoned akiya in rural Shimane prefecture and live like a hermit
>>746505212は is used for general concepts and ideas and can act as the subject of a sentence but not always, sometimes it can just mean "this the scope of what im discussing"whereas が is an explicit subject markeris that right?
>>746505249I occasionally check in to see if people are giving shit advice for learning, or to see if retards are saying not to learn moon because everything is already translated since the real benefit isn't reading/watching/playing untranslated stuff, but poorly translated stuff and enjoying the original language. Also to poke fun at retards who think memorizing kanji is the hard part or SEAmonkeys from /jp/ who think the JLPT actually matters.
>>746504981What kind of genres do you like? I can give you some recommendations. If you're going to immerse, do it with stuff you like.
>>746505347I’m not joking, Persona3 is not that hard neither is OG FF7. You will have to look up words in games like Pokemon as well so you might as well play something fun.
