Is Starfield the most overhated game for no reason?
Starfield has received significant criticism. Some of it is based on valid issues. These include repetitive planetary exploration and limited activities. Other backlash appears amplified by high expectations from Bethesda fans. Calling it the most overhated for no reason is not accurate. Games like Cyberpunk 2077 faced intense hate at launch due to technical problems. Starfield has strengths in its RPG systems and ship building. Overall opinion is mixed and subjective.
>>746493867I agree that the criticism of Starfield isn’t completely unjustified, especially when it comes to the repetitive exploration and limited variety of activities. At the same time, I think some of the backlash goes beyond reasonable criticism because expectations for a Bethesda game were extremely high. It definitely has flaws, but its RPG systems, quests, and ship building still give it some strong points. Calling it either “the most overhated game ever” or “a bad game for no reason” oversimplifies things. In the end, it really comes down to what you value in a game.
>>746493867You forgot to mention that every NPC looks like some satanic ape-human hybrid, you stupid clanker.I suppose it's not politically correct to mention.
>>746493736No, that's Forspoken. People only hate it because the MC is a woman.
>>746493993Why do woketards lie so much about starfield?
>>746493983Yeah that lines up pretty closely with how I see it too.The exploration loop is the biggest legitimate weak point. Once you’ve done a few dozen planets the procedural generation starts feeling thin and a lot of the outposts or points of interest recycle the same handful of layouts and enemy types. That part of the criticism is fair.At the same time the volume of pure vitriol went way past “this system is undercooked.” A big chunk of the discourse treated the game like it was some kind of betrayal rather than a mixed-bag Bethesda RPG that simply didn’t hit the same highs as Skyrim or Fallout for a lot of people. The ship-building tools, the companion writing in several of the main faction quests, and the pure role-playing freedom still hold up for the people who actually dig those systems.So “most overhated for no reason” is too strong, but “completely deserved pile-on” is also too strong. It’s just a very specific flavor of open-world game that either clicks with you or leaves you cold depending on what you’re looking for.
>>746493736> no reasonIt was an Xbox console exclusive. We hate the idea of missing out to MS.
>>746493736I'm replying to a bait but whateverStarfield is actually underhated for how UTTERLY SHIT it is. What they were thinking?! Single-handedly obliterated all hopes for TES VI being good or even decent.
>>746493736>overhated >for no reasonthere's a whole section of 1h+ youtube videos proving you wrong nigga
>>746494021Forspoken is a okay to good game if you ignore everything about the story and the mc.Also one of the games that gets defended by tards who didn't play it because the mc was a woman. I mean she is a selfish black hey fellow kids catlady and the first scene is her being on trial for stealing a car. She feels like a racist stereotype written by a childless boomer completely missing the point.Playing the actual game is completely fine, tho.
>>746493736It's hated for incredibly valid reasons.>>746493867Thanks grok.>>746493983>its RPG systemsPale in comparison to those of a 13yo game developed in less than half the time.>questsWorse that those of all their previous games due to the virtue of the far worse world and methods of travel within it.>and ship buildingSpend seven hours building the perfect ship that will then only exist in isolation in a separate, loading screen space void affecting and affected by nothing.
>>746493736Its neither overhated or underhated. Its not a bad game its just a bad Bethesda game, and its overpriced for what it is. If it were made by some AA dev and released for $30 barely anyone would care. But it released for AAA prices. Story is kinda shit and short. Side quests are also shit. Exploration is shit too. Only questline I enjoyed was the pirates and corpo faction quests. Only parts of the world I enjoyed was neon and the pirates base. Everything else was so bland and uninteresting.I enjoyed it enough in places to not say it's a bad game but I definitely wouldn't call it a good game. It's just kinda meh. Each to his own though.
>>746494243>biggest legitimate weak pointwhat are "unlegitimate" weak points?>volume of pure vitriolhave you considered that the game is simply that bad? Though admittedly it adds salt to the wound when you consider we got FLOPfield instead of TES VI or Fo5.
>>746496050>Its not a bad game its just a bad Bethesda gamefucking what? the game is no less bland than skyrim and thats considered a top 10 of all time game.
>>746493736Procedural generation is like a fun vaccum
>>746493736People hare it because BGS has only one team and it took the spot of a TES game.Would that TES game have been great? Probably not, but since jt would have had a handcrafted open world and would have benefited from the TES settings it would certainly have been better
>>746496050>Its neither overhated or underhated.It's vastly underhated>Its not a bad gameIt isNot reading the rest of your DOGSHIT opinion (wrong)
>>746496136>the game is no less bland than skyrim
>>746494719>Xbox console exclusiveI have no dog in this fight as I play on PC and I hate it anyways
>>746493736Nah it's pretty fucking shit. Bethesda games are good for one reason: Exploration. Everything else in their games (fallout, elder scrolls) is bad, to serviceable, to pretty good but the exploration is always the selling point.You choose your class/build, you set out in a direction and you stumble across content and get completely immersed in the game world.You might be on your way to do a quest and 100 hours later you realise you're getting sidetracked. That's why those games are great.So what did they do with Starfield? Completely remove that entire aspect of the game. These fucking geniuses took out the one ingredient that makes their games cook and then were dumbfounded that fucking no one liked it. It's as though no one involved actually has any idea at all about what exactly it is that people play their games for. It's like they've been succeeding almost by accident. Starfield was just Fallout/Elder scrolls with the janky graphics and animations, serviceable but underwhelming gameplay, average story, crap lore building (usually lore is a strong point) but then just omitted EXPLORATION. What the fuck were they thinking?They made a game that should have been an epic, solar system spanning adventure rpg and made it into a series of loading screens, procedurally generated trash and truly hideous character designs and aesthetics.It's just not good.
>>746494243>exploration loop is the biggest legitimate weak point. Once you’ve done a few dozen planets the procedural generation starts feeling thin and a lot of the outposts or points of interest recycle the same handful of layouts and enemy typesThat's a (you) problem, I've spent 140 hours and only ran into recycled maps like 6 times, half of those in the main quest because main quest was designed by retards. JUST learn to tell randomly generated names from custom names when you're looking at the planet map, and only check out those that are actually unique. There are more unique dungeons here than in Fallout 4, that's for sure, people are just very bad at finding them
>>746496136Skyrim has a map that was enjoyable to explore. Exploring in Starfield is just map screens and loading zones.Skyrim also has a longer story and more interesting factions that vary more.>>746496173Zoomer hands wrote this
>>746496350No they're only good for one reason: Role Playing. They have so many quests that lead you down so many professions that you can basically roleplay as anything in them, and you'll find a ton of quests supporting whoever you decided to be. Unfortunately imagationlets don't play games like that, they just consume quests mindlessly and don't think about their character at all. Imaginationlets just wander around maps aimlessly looking for things to "stumble upon"
>>746496501>they just consume quests mindlessly and don't think about their character at all.thats the norm for CRPG players these days.
>>746496136Skyrim wasn't even as bland as Oblivion.
>>746495372So you're goycattle that only listen to youtubers?
>>746496350>Bethesda games are good for one reason: Exploration.Based knower>Starfield was just Fallout/Elder scrolls with the janky graphics and animations, serviceable but underwhelming gameplay, average story, crap lore building (usually lore is a strong point) but then just omitted EXPLORATION. What the fuck were they thinking?I know right?! They erased 'the' ONE thing that they are actually doing well. I think le thousand planets is something that sounds very well on shareholders meeting but anyone who has ever played any game knows it's bound to be shit.All they had to do was make Fallout 4.5 in space and they fucked even that up!!!
>>746496594the only color in skyrim is the underground city. everything else is grey
>>746496359>that's a (you) problem, I took it up my ass 140 times and only bled a couple timesIndia's not sending their finest today
>>746496501>Bethesda roleplaying[1] Yes.[2] Ugh, fine.[3] Ok, but the reward better be worth it.[4] I'll have to think about it.
>>746496501>People play Bethesda games for roleplayingYou heard it first time here folks.
>>746496852And still ten times less bland than "we have ugly LOTR at home" feat. utterly empty worldmap with zero reasons for exploration.
>>746496852>everything else is grey
>>746497015>modded
>>746496980theres more to roleplaying than dialogue choices.
>>746493736I like the game more than most people (I spent a good amount of time playing last night), but the companions alone are worthy of extreme criticism. This is what's available:>Robot with no personality>White roastie who gets mad about everything and isn't interestin in the slightest>Literal cuck who is a cowboy and drags his ex-wife's daughter everywhere>Gay black man who can't stop talking about sucking dick>Brown girl who is a militant member of a retarded religionAwful. They're all awful.
>>746493736I bought the premium edition for like $35 on loaded a few weeks ago and couldn't make it past the 10 hour mark. The game is so fucking boring holy shit.
It's easily the worst AAA game I've ever played. I spent 50 hours playing it out of morbid curiosity because I just couldn't believe they spent that much time and money and there was literally nothing of value in it.
>>746494218I think the guy youre responding to was mad that someone posted a chatgpt response. Also every generic npc looked like they were mongoloids.
>>746497128All of the day, bro.
>>746497224Andreja a qt alongside Curie, Cait, Lydia and Serana.
>>746493736Really the only crime Starfield committed was being a new IP without any lore
>>746496594>>746497015>eternally seething shitrim schizo brining up Chadblivion because shitrim doesn't have a single good guild or soul or even stats anymore and that it's not an rpg but a shallow action game for normalniggerskek
>>746497028>gray anti-soul gas>>746497462>gray anti-soul gas>>746497754>gray anti-soul gasSlop so desaturated and contrastless you could mistake them for Cumbreath of the Mild shots
>>746497908cope
>skyrim zoomer never found unique items or quests out in the wild>zero reasons to exploreReminder that everyone here laughed at skyrim on release and did so for years. It's only now after little subhuman zoomgroids have come in butthurt that we called skyrim a dumbed down casualfest that you're trying to force muh skyrim was always good meme. I remember playing skyrim at release and wow the quests were so shit and the world so dead and static with the same random events repeating that I felt insulted, as did many others.
>>746497694>Andreja a qtShe's a space muzzie, and can fuck off.
>>746496050I enjoyed the sidequests
>>746497857Anon, you lost 20 years ago. Your remaster was forgotten about the month after it released. It's over.
>>746498058>unique items out in the wildLiterally not a thing in Oblivion, because there is *nothing* in Oblivion's world outside of dungeons. Zero random encounters, zero unmarked locations.
>>746496350Exploration is obviously a thing in this game, problem is the sense of scale fucks it over. The average gamer is a like a child given a tablet for long car rides, they require consistent stimulation, which is why most open world games are smaller and apply the 40 second rule where new things are discovered more frequently. While Bethesda has since added more POIs with the Free Lanes update, the problem is how far apart each one is the moment you land on a planet, and it can take you a good 5-10 minutes to travel to each POI on foot, 2-5 minutes if you're using a land vehicle. For anyone without a good amount of patience, this can make Starfield's open world feel empty and repetitive, which is one of the many reasons why the reception for this game is so mixed.
>>746498058>skyrim zoomer never found unique itemsLike the Steel Battleaxe of Fiery Souls? Or The Woodsman's Friend? Or the Bow of the Hunt? Or Borvir's Dagger? Or the Dragon Priest Dagger? Or Rundi's Dagger? Or Stormfang? Or Horksbane? Or the Notched Pickaxe? Or Bolar's Oathblade? Or Windshear? Or the Poacher's Axe? Or Aegisbane? Or Trollsbane?
>>746498596>our game is uninteresting and empty as fuck>this is uhhhhhhh FAULT OF THE PLAYEREmil-coded post
>>746498808It's not the player's fault at all, the fault is on Bethesda for not recognizing what type of people plays their games. Starfield's open world design makes more sense for a survival craft type of game, not a AAA WRPG.
>>746498596>The average gamer requires consistent stimulationGames require good design to make long treks feel like nothing at all. Kenshi does it, Fallout knew you'd spend a lot of time walking across an empty wasteland so they gave your Pip-Boy a radio, Starfield had nothing before the car update. You were genuinely tasked with pressing W for ten real life minutes while absolutely nothing was going on around you; no companion banter, no unique vistas 90% of the time, no absolutely necessary materials you'd care to mine. If players end up doomscrolling in-between dungeons, is it really their fault or that of the game's for not holding their attention?
>>746496501Spot on.
>>746497908This. All of those sceenshots just support your argument.
genuinely my favorite bethesda game after fo4 and fo76, also the last game that ferret baudoin, a black isle OG worked on (he made USS Constitution quest, Silver Shroud quests, and the Covenant conspiracy quests to name a few). really hope they make a sequel, or a DLC around the UC/FC societies, it would be extremely interesting to find out to what extent their corruption runs and whether or not they are oligarchs colluding behind closed doors like the game implies
>>746500226Yeah FO4 is kino
>>746493993They can't help themselves.Every game is wall-to-wall noggery.
>>746498596>>746499005I think it's safe to assume that there are a lot of people who also genuinely enjoy the less hands-on approach into exploration. The game's pretty much peak dadgaming. I don't like using "silent majority" but it kind of feels a game that's found an audience which usually doesn't take part in gaming discourse, which means that a lot of the game's proponents don't really become apparent if all you do is use online discourse around the game as a barometer.
>>746493736i dont hate iti probably even enjoyed it more than mostbut it is a pretty lame game and makes me think bethesda doesnt really have the ability to make another tes game again
>746500173 (You)>nigga replying to himself
>>746500279>New Atlantis IE the post-capitalist terran society's soft-dystopian rump state>being surprised that it's fully pozzed and miscegenated welcome to space scifi. the biggest cities in US are like 50% mixed race, with most of humanity crammed into one multi generational starship it's dubious white people even exist in most space settings.
>>746500393Oh it definitely has a decent audience size, enough to allow Bethesda to keep supporting it for at least another year or two as they have announced a Starborn DLC for it. Finding positive discussions on it is possible, you just have to wade through all the trolls to find them. Steam is fucked, 4chan and X is a mixed bag, and Reddit has a few subreddits dedicated to positive discussions.
>>746500689Space is not a natural environment for humans. It's hard. Any space colonization ship/colony would have to have:>Atmosphere loss alarm>Radiation alarm>Fire alarm>Mechanical failure alarm>Space object collision alarm>Biological contamination alarm>Chemical leak alarmA race biologically incapable of acknowledging a beeping alarm is not taking over the galaxy, anon.
>>746500393>silent majority>majority
>>746500764Steam discussion has been for a long time some sort of hyper aggressive alt-right edgelord community, same with twitter and instagram. Reddit and Discord are basically the only places where I seriously discuss games outside of the few rare cases where a game has a peaceful stay on /v/ or /vg/
>>746500986No wonder, you type like a redditor yourself.
>>746500986>same with twitterOh yeah, X/Twitter's rightwing behavior makes 4chan look tame in comparison. Most you got here is a casual use of slurs by people who'd never say it to someone in person, but you know you're a hardcore racist when you have your own name and face tied to that shit.
Of course the Starfield fan would be someone that types "hyper aggressive alt-right community" unironically in 2006+20.
>>746493867ChatGPT, how do I put my pants on? ChatGPT, help me form an opinion on Starfield.>>746493736It's maybe not the most overhated game, but it's definitely overhated.
>>746500961you don't know what silent majority is and your image proves it
>>746501682>>746500961
>>746496987>I mod my game into a loli coomfest that means everyone doesCoombrain is real.
>>746500686that's not how you reply, silly
i think most people had the same epiphany at some point playing while walking around a featureless planet >this isnt fun, why am i playing?then they drop it the game is just boring
>>746493983>expectations for a Bethesda game were extremely highI mean they skipped making Elder Scrolls 6 to make a space sim a lot of people hated. I think since their last game single player game came out from 2015-2023. So no wonder some people would get pissed for the wait.
>>746500226>really hope they make a sequel, or a DLCWouldn't hold my breath.
>>746503215Well Sentinel will be a thing circa 2028. Fallout 5 will be what, 2032/33 at the earliest? Starfield 2 if it ever happens will happen around 2038, fifteen years after the first one. The Star Wars Genesis lad can rest easy, Emil isn't getting his space sequel in more than a decade.
>>746503215They are working on a 2nd big DLC. Also even Outer Worlds got a sequel, I wouldn't be too surprised. Although still, I would be surprised.
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>>746503169I'd imagine if TES6 and Fallout 5 came out just before Starfield, people would still shit on Bethesda for not putting that workforce into making TES7 and Fallout 6 instead. And then you'd also have to consider the fact that if the people did get what they want, they would find flaws in them and whine about that as well. At the end of the day, the release priority doesn't really matter anyway because some people will still find a way to hate these games and Bethesda (especially in this era where people are more entertained by games failing to succeed and companies shutting down), so Bethesda will just have to bide their time and let those people piss and shit themselves until they eventually get what they think they want (which won't be perfect).
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