I mean...is it really any better?
not when you render her in a shit art style.
yes
Why are western devs against female characters with big tits?
>>748275064yeah, I like blonde bimbos more.
>>748275064no but this is
>>748275437Big tits are dangerous horny Big ass is safe horny
>>748275669>safe hornystop using their languagejust say "provocative"
>>748275743>stop using their languagethe word is a chud invention
>>748275064aw yeah nitro squad thread, I haven't ejaculated in days.
>>748275064The energy is all wrong. Nothing here says sexy.Also, boobs bigger, waist thinner.
>>748277580Even when dressed like Marilyn Monroe, they have her doing the Rosie the Riveter pose, just so you don't think for even a split second she isn't empowered. Fuckin Toys 4 Bob man.
>>748277709>dressedWell, "hair styled like" at least.
>>748276243I like it but was the fart fetish comic really nessicary?
No one cared about Tawna, she hadn't been in the series since 1996. The problem lies in toys4niggers resurrecting her in a gay and lame form and making the game revolve around her
>>748278447>No one cared about TawnaI care. There's so much that could've been done if she wasn't censored from the series.
>>748278447Just because Naughty Dog became ashamed of her and shelved her for being a stereotypical babe doesn't mean people didn't like her. Her presence in games wasn't voted democratically.
>>748278494>>748278582furrybait character aside the actual reason the series is dead is that platforming is dying as a whole, geriatric playstation gamers cant support expensive modern projects. It doesn't help that crash 4 is overcompliated to the point of being tedious
>>748278582>Naughty Dog became ashamed of herClearly not or they wouldn't have put her picture on Crash's fireplace.
>>748275064You just know that any female character that does that pose in a western slop game is automatically compromised
>>748278623Man, shut up. In the 90's nobody knew what a "furry" was, it was just a hot chick who was also an animal at the same time. Cartoons pulled this shit all the time. And Crash was just aping cartoons, so that's what it was.
>>748278623>platforming is dying as a whole, geriatric playstation gamers cant support expensive modern projects.We don't need no "expensive modern projects". Of anything, too much budget was one of the problems with Crash 4.
>>748278697>he thinks those characters weren't created by furries
>>748278641Big deal, they snuck her picture on the mantle.Doesn't change that they pulled Tawna completely out of Crash 2 and conveniently invented Coco to replace her. It's beyond clear they decided they needed a more flattering depiction of a girl than a tall bimbo. Like a hacker nerd who was hyper-competent and helped Crash out. I don't have a problem with Coco existing, but her supplanting Tawna was super obvious.
>>748278830NTA but most of those girls were Jessica Rabbit clones...Cause Amblin is unironically responsible for making a lot of the shows with cartoon babes at the time.
>>748278830Horny animators != furries. It wasn't even a prominent fetish at the time. I sure didn't hear about them existing until much much later, when they became a popular internet meme.
>>748278848>Big deal, they snuck her picture on the mantle.I don't think it was "snuck" in. Hell, even without Naughty Dog, her picture is still on the Mantle in Wrath of Cortex. Universal just stopped giving a shit at that time. See also the trophy girls.
>>748278870This. Crash had a ton of direct WFRR parallels too that back this up. Like a mob weasel guy and a villain in a straight jacket.
>>748278958You're being too autistic if you think I'm actually suggesting the pic was put in secretly. I didn't mean that literally. It's just a small nod and nobody would care one way or the other.
>>748279019>I didn't mean the words I used
>>748279086Yes, that's called hyperbole. Dramatic overstatement. And in cases other than this one, sarcasm.
>>748275064lousy goyim?
Give gamers what they crave.
>>748279142The internet taught people what furries were long before Zootopia did. Though Judy Hopps is waaaaaay too popular. I don't see what other people see in her.
>>748278886>Horny animators != furries.except for all the horny animators that were literally furries.
>>748278886>It wasn't even a prominent fetish at the time.also, anon, furries have called themselves furries since the early '80s.
>>748279536>>748279561Wrong
>>748279536>They drew furries, so they are furriesYou're using the conclusion as your premise. They didn't consider themselves furries. They didn't KNOW what a furry was. They were just drawing cartoon characters who happen to usually be animals, and then made characters who were also hot women.>>748279561Look, I'm sure you could unearth some fucking ancient text that proves furries existed. But I'm telling you with certainty, the animators who made this shit were NOT furry. Not in any way that isn't just a >"THEY DREW IT SO THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY MEMBERS OF THIS FETISH"retarded circular reasoning way.
>>748279769
>>748279782>You're using the conclusion as your premise.>But I'm telling you with certainty, the animators who made this shit were NOT furry.try looking up Disney artists like Shawn Keller sometime.
>>748278641Anon they had said countless times that they replaced Coco for her because of that reason
>>748275064No because her face is still fucked up
>>748280019Oh so you found one single outlier, well that definitely proves all animators were preexisting members of this niche fetish. Man shut the fuck up.
>>748278848Ircc it was some foid at Universal that disapproved of Twana
>>748279152This has to be the best 3D model of the original concept art Crash I've seen so far.
>>748279782>with certainty, the animators who made this shit were NOT furry.also, unless you're trying to split hairs and what you actually mean is >the overseas animators, like TMS, who were contracted to animate this shiti've got some bad news...
>>748275838>>748275743>>748275669Just stop using retarded nu-words no matter who made them
>>748278830Furfaggotry is a parasitism of people simply just appreciating feminine beauty in all shapes.
>>748280067Women really do ruin everything.
I fucking hate furniggers that think they own animal people. People were drawing them before furry was even a concept.
>>748278886>Horny animatorsVery redundant, zoomo
>>748280090No. You're wrong. Every western animator was not a fucking furry. They were just perverts, and drawing animal people was LITERALLY their fucking job.
>>748280062>one single outlierhttps://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Animatorslollmao
>>748280121You aren't even arguing with me.
>>748280158Still a drop in the bucket. Do you have any proof the designers and animators of this cartoon>>748278697were furries?
>>748280134>NO NO NO NO NO I CAN'T HEAR YOUbig lol
>>748280158>source:>a furry fucking wiki
For me, it's this one.https://e-hentai.org/g/3825170/6192a1c8f1/
>>748280212yea none of these professional animators have EVER mentioned the fandom before it's just this wiki.again, google Keller. lmao
>>748280312I don't have to prove one never existed. But I can easily deduce the average animator was not.>have a job drawing animal people>draw a female one too hotNobody is contesting they didn't CAUSE plenty of furries, but arriving at the conclusion they did it because ordinary cartoons was some kind of fiendish recruitment drive is just conspiritarded.
>>748280195
>>748280268UFFThis might be the one to make the new design work.
Tawna's removal was for multiple (invalid) reasons. No singular party was to blame. Everyone was at fault.1) Universal didn't like Tawna cause they were afraid that her sexiness would bump up the age rating. Universal was dead fucking wrong about this.2) Sony didn't like Tawna cause they saw her as inappropriate for a children's franchise. Also, they're Japanese so they also thought Tawna was too old cause Japs are Pedos.3) Naughty Dog wanted to get close to Sony so they more or less threw any pretense at creativity out the window if it meant getting closer to them. This meant Crash getting redesigned (Jap Crash and five fingers) and Tawna getting tossed overboard.By the time Warped and CTR came around, Universal stopped caring (see the trophy girls), Sony showed they never cared about Crash by not buying the IP, and Naughty Dog sold their souls to Sony (as that was always the plan) while leaving Crash in a ditch.TLDR; Tawna's removal was pointless.
>>748275437Because big tits upset women and make them envious.
>>748279152>Those modelsFor the love of god tell me the name of who made those
>>748280430>I don't have to prove one never existed.i don't have to prove every single one is suspect.try turning those powers of deduction to their actual output.>have a job drawing.>predominantly draw animal people.>like a LOT of animal people.>draw a female one too hot.>and then another.>and then again.>wow there sure is a lot of smoke around here.>could there be a fire?>nah. couldn't be!whether or not they jumped up and shouted from the rooftops "I AM A FURRY. SOMEONE QUICK GET A CAMCORDER AND RECORD MY DECLARATION FOR ETERNAL POSTERITY." is irrelevant, and expecting it at all is unhinged. it's pretty obvious, by just looking, where their interests lay.
>>748280664@kromosx
>>748280529>weirdo at con comes to see you dressed as your character>take picture with them
>>748280664Wait nevermind I just found the sauce>>748278848Tawna got replaced with Coco because Sony Japan said her character design was unpopular and there was some woman at Universal that hated Tawna's design for being too sexualized (iirc she also hated Lara Croft too)The original concept design for Coco was made by Taichi Ogawa (pic rel) and then Zembillas made the final design we all know
>>748280683You're still operating from a false mindset that sexy animal people is some kind of monolith. It's just an indirect result of fetishizing cartoons (who were coincidentally often depicted as animals). When you start from this incorrect standpoint, it's no wonder you see the boogeyman behind every corner.
>>748280719Thanks anyway anon
>>748280752>dismiss all evidence, that way the fragile worldview in your head won't completely shatter.
>>748278447Everyone cared so much that she became a playable character in CTR and Crash 4.
>>748280794you're still operating from a bizzare mindset that sexy animal people are not sexy animal people, and that there hasn't been a term for people who like sexy animal people since the early '80s.>you see the boogeymananon, (I'm) not the one afraid to look. (I'm) not the one trying real hard to handwave all evidence away.
>>748280913>you're still operating from a bizzare mindset that sexy animal people are not sexy animal peopleSo you're back to just declaring anyone who makes or likes thing a member of this fetish cult. Sorry buddy, but you can incidentally draw a thing and not have it be some kind of identity crisis complete with fursuit. That's so 2000's internet crusade of you.
>>748275437>image got deleted from B4k.co servers tooHoly shit.
>>748281061What even was the pic to upset jannies so bad?
>>748281061His post doesn't even seem to be deleted, what's goin on here?
>>748281043>So you're back to just declaring anyone who makes or likes thing a member of this fetish cult.no, just the ones who very obviously enjoy it, to the point they were drawing it unprompted in their free time. oh yeah and the ones who did literally declare themselves a member of our fetish cult.sorry buddy, looks like you're conflating liking sexy animal people with dressing up like one and going to con orgies.those things are not prerequisites.
>>748280592I would've appreciated Tawna coming back for Crash Bash.Also if a Crash Bash remake came out and it had Nina Cortex in it. That'd be great.I know about the fan project, but fan projects are most of the time janky in one way or anotherand whoever makes them takes a lot of time to finish them.I don't even want to mention Crash Team Rumble. Live service games are barely even games.I only care about things that are out. I try not to look forward to things anymore, it keeps me waiting.And time spent waiting is time wasted not living. I imagine sequels to games that I like, and enjoy doing so.But at the same time it's knowing that by yourself alone you can't do much.Which I won't use as an excuse to stop doing it.I have skills, but no job in the industry and no leverage. And no contacts.I suppose that's the average consumer.
>>748279782Right anon, and the guy who created this artwork that sold in an 1988 art auction also wasn't a "furry"
>>748281061Maybe the image uploading glitched or got fucked up somehow?
>>748281194https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNCTvXpXtMwforgot the link, you can tell how uncomfortable the auctioneers are at the artwork lmaofuckin 1988 man
>>748281265>fuckin 1988 manit was a pretty wild timehttps://archive.org/details/bob-hershey-animation-reel-1080p_202601
>>748278886>prominentThat's the key word here. It became prominent (noticeable) later. >>748279561Yes furries did exist before, but it was more underground that it was let's say since 2010 onward (where all hell broke lose).Comparing the decades yes you could see a growth in how known it was.But only to show how it was less known than it is now.>>748278886Matt Groening talked about how Leela in Futurama was a joke for the horny animators.Because she's hot but with only one eye.
>>748281083>What even was the pic to upset jannies so bad?How much longer until they delete this furry thread as it has nothing to do with gaming?
>>748281365>pedo or furry thread, choose.Why are we constantly having to pick the lesser of two evils?
>>748278697>In the 90's nobody knew what a "furry" wasI randomly had youtube recommend me some Eric W. Schwartz animations apparently dating back to the 90's and that made me question just how far it all goes
>>748281353>That's the key word here.this is ostrich logic. head in sand, can't see it, so it must not exist! just because the vast majority of people were not aware of it does not mean it was not present. again, look at the professional animators who openly declared themselves furry like Keller.>but it was more undergroundno doubt, but there were actual furries working in the industry.don't forget, all it takes to be a furry is to like furry things. that's how its been able to spread to this degree, here in the year of our lord 2026, in the first place.
>>748281492i can show you proto-furry, pre-funny animal stuff from the '60s.then the '70s gave us funny animals.'furry' finally coalesced in the '80s.spread to the internet in the '90s.and then with the millennium and affordable computers/internet, new blood was constantly pouring in.
>>748281492The idea of "furry groups" has references dating pretty far back.Also isn't it interesting that people love overusing terms? Whats the point of calling someone who likes a thing in private a specific thing? Oh thats right there isn't one; the entire reason there's a term like furry is because people were defining their life by this garbage.Why bundle a pointless extra denominator, do you feel better that normal people are grouped with you?
Do furfags really want everyone to be lumped in with their insane cult and backwards ideals?
>BUT WHAT ABOUT KELLER??? KELLLLLLEEEEERRRRIt's time to give up the flimsy assertion the majority of horny animators were members of the fetish before they started realizing "hey this mouse I drew is kind of sexy"It was a stupid thing to posit and you're still hanging your entire theory on such weak evidence.
>>748281524>don't forget, all it takes to be a furry is to like furry things.By your logic all people who like Crash Bandicoot, and also the people who like the Disney movies where the main characters are animals are furries.Bro, you may be a furry or larping as a furry historian or whatever.But not everyone is a furry. If you are it's fine, I guess. I also don't know how old you are. So if you're young and you lack an identity or a personality, then clinging to something like this may be normal. Up to a certain point.But if you're an adult, you should have more of a differentiated personality so that you don't need that stuff to feel like you're someone.
>>748278623Astro Bot won GOTY
I love Megumi.
>>748281647>because people were defining their life by this garbage.or literally making their living by it.
>>748281710>the flimsy assertion the majority of horny animatorsyou're right, anon, that is pretty flimsy!who's the one constantly trying to posit that, again?
>>748281524>don't forget, all it takes to be a furry is to like furry things.This is how your entire argument falls apart. No, that's not how this works. It's an entire subculture, it's not a sexuality. A man liking dick is gay. But liking animal people is not equivalent because there's no such thing as an animal person. You cannot possibly compare the two.
>>748281779>But if you're an adult, you shouldn't be posting on 4chan, bro.
>>748281779According to people ITT this guy is a “furry.” Hes the guy who drew Minerva Mink.
>>748281858Somebody in this thread is, because they keep returning to the argument "if they drew a sexy animal woman they automatically are one"
>>748281930>what, you think this guy who constantly drew and animated animal ladies for literal decades liked animal ladies or something???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZuNiRRYUug
>>748282010>because they keep returning to the argumentthey sure do, even when the other party corrects them (>>748281140)lmao
>>748282120See: >>748281524>don't forget, all it takes to be a furry is to like furry things.Did you correct them? lmao?
>>748281703There is a reason why the "fag" in furfag is heavily emphasized
>>748282181>Did you correct them?as a matter of fact, they were next! let's get to it.>>748281889>No, that's not how this works.see the entire "I'm not a furry, but..." meme as well as the rise of hmofa.>there's no such thing as an animal person.no such thing as God either but that doesn't stop people, now does it?
>>748282329so you're just an entrenched furry who insists upon his identity. I see. I already suspected, but thanks for confirming.
>>748282401plug your ears and yell as loudly as you like, reality isn't going away.
>>748282484your identity is, when you realize it's not necessary at all to like the drawings.
tawna redesign is the least of crash 4 problems
>>748282329>” rise of hmofa.”….are you just some angry, lost, dysgenic /trash/ refugee? Is that why you’re lashing out at everything?
>>748282517>when you realize it's not necessary at all to like the drawings.do you know what is necessary? the drawings.now, what do you think prompts those? is it a total lack of interest in drawing them?
>>748282623>hurf durf you can only arrive at a sexy cartoon woman who happens to be an animal too if you're some member of my dumb sparkledog fetishHere we go again.
>>748275064in the future they're going to pretend like the progressive left wasnt responsible for this and it was somehow the woman hating chuds responsible for nerfing women in western media.
>>748282594>...presenting evidence and precedent is 'lashing out' because I can't refute it.
>>748282717>it's a FETISH that you can ONLY belong to if you BUILD YOUR IDENTIY around it and DRESS UP and FUCK STRANGERS at CONVENTIONS and and and>Here we go again.that's my line.
>>748282772I think he means your tone and word choice. You are definitely butthurt about people who don't identify with your shit.
>>748282809If you use the word "furry" those things are definitely implied, yes. Otherwise you're just a guy who faps to drawings.
>>748282847>those things are definitely implied, yes.sounds like a personal problem.>Otherwise you're just a guy who faps to drawings.it's almost like the content of the drawings are the central point or something, huh?
imo Crash needs a new girlfriend, one that matches his energy IQ
>>748282812>You are definitely butthurt for sure. No I mean it. Look at how butthurt you are. Totally. I said it so it's for sure true.okso did you have a counterargument to anything i've put forward or...?
>>748282484The reality of what, you trying to be pedantic with words to include a bunch of people who barely act like you at best and a good chunk of them actively despise you? That don't do like 90% of the things associated with the term?You aren't going to change the definition and even if you did; none of these people would side with the actual furrys.
>>748275669>Big tits are dangerous hornyThen why do people on /v/ call Lightspeed Lina safe horny?
>>748283078They're idiots. Unless she turns out to be lesbian. Because that's basically a free pass in progressives' minds.
>>748283063>You aren't going to change the definitionyou aren't going to stop the drawings of sexy animal people.you aren't going to stop the artists from enjoying drawing sexy animal people.you aren't going to stop the artists from being interested in sexy animal people.you also aren't going to stop the people who dress up and fuck, but that's a different conversation.
>>748283135Nice schizophrenia, want to actually reply to the post or?
>>748283135He didn't imply he wanted to stop any of that? In fact he seems to be drawing a deeper distinction between the people who merely draw or enjoy such things as the category you've decided they HAVE to be a part of.
>>748283078because she's black
>>748283248Western devs don't make the black women sexy, though. Unless you find fatties sexy.
>>748283161were you actually going to make a point or?>That don't do like 90% of the things I associate with the term?you aren't going to change the definition of furry content. now i'm starting to think you beat off to furries pretty regularly and then immediately hate yourself afterward or something.try letting go, anon.>>748283206>He didn't imply he wanted to stop any of that?then i'm glad we agree!>HAVE to be a part of.are a part of, anon.
>>748283323That's not the pointThe fact that Lina is a heavily sexualized design doesn't really matter, /v/ usually love those designs, it's the fact that said design is of a blackSafe horny isn't being used to say that the design is actually that, it's just used as a throwaway insult towards the design simply because it's of a blackIt's also why some anons start talking about black features and why Lina threads devolve into race baiting, it's just because she's black
>>748283078Because they're retarded? It's an indie game it could be outright porn if they wanted
>>748283559And I'm saying it's a mischaracterization that black = safe horny. Because even when woke devs make games, their black women aren't as sexy as Lina. Wouldn't that prove that it isn't "safe" at all? Or even the woke slop could have a black woman with her tits out.
>>748275064>pointless shit character gets written out after the first game>let's make them the central focal point of the rebootMaybe this was the problem all along and the dyke hair was just an underlying symptom
>>748283559>design is of a blackWhat? The only thing in her design being arguably black is her skin and she looks more tanned than a sheboon. I've seen her posted numerous times on /v/ and have never thought she's supposed to be a nigger.
>>748283695I don't think anyone is going to argue against this. Woke4Bob obviously wrote her as a lame dime-a-dozen girlboss. Nobody hated her hair but thought she was actually well written despite that or anything.
>>748283680You're still missing the point
>>748283792Anon, look at her floofy fucking hair. She's obviously fucking African, are we really doing this?
>>748283695>gets written out after the first gamewasn't it specifically because they were told she was too sexy?
>>748283792Anon stop being obtuse, she's obviously based on black women with her hairstyles, specific choice of some outfits like the leopard pattern one, and the way she talksUse that basic pattern recognition
>>748283351Wow all your brain power just for a no u. That clearly shows you live in some sort of bubble or something. Oh so is it that they "don't need to be part of the furry community" or that you inherently are just because they happen to like some furry designs. It can't be both.Also your counterpoint is weak, you are again relying on shit you're seeing in the walls. Do you think I went in here because I saw a retard talking or something. Truely you outed me buddy; my argument is entirely about the purpose of words. The issue is that nobody gives a shit about John who wanks to Krystal every weekend. The term is very specifically tied to the furry community; which is a life style not just the fetish. It can't be detached from the fetish; but the fetish can be detached from it.Can i just say the way you type your posts makes me want to shoot myself.>>748283832As discussed prior yeah, also she wasn't particularly popular so she was considered replaceable. Eventually they realized they didn't need to do this song and dance at all hence why you get clones of her by CTR.
>>748283825>>748283852So her only nigger features being vaguely nigger hair and darker skin makes her a nigger when she clearly is just tanned Peach? Alright boss, whatever you say. And no, I haven't heard her speak because I don't care about her, I keep seeing her getting posted and that's it/
>>748283982my god, racists are gayer than actual homosexuals. all these mental gymnastics to justify why you don't feel attracted to fertile women
>>748283982Cope and seethe nigger, she's obviously black
>>748284047I'm plenty racist and I don't need to lie about Lina's race like he does. Some lesser men don't have the stomach for colonizing.
>>748283981>That clearly shows you live in some sort of bubble or something.he said, while desperately trying to patch the holes in his bubble.> It can't be both.and yet it is!>my argument is entirely about the purpose of words.so when language, which is inherently alive, begins to change and grow, you argue that it must be strangled back into place.i don't think you're going to be very successful, anon.>The term is very specifically tied toall furry content. only the most indignant autists (like (You) ;3) would pop up to correct someone for calling Rouge the bat 'furry,' for example. >NO SHE'S MOBIAN SHE IS NOT A MULTICOLORED TWINKLING MUTT I A COSTUME MADE OUT OF LEFTOVER CARPET BECUASE THAT'S THE FIRST IMAGE THAT POPS INTO MY HEAD PERSONALLY AND SO THAT IS THE ONLY DEFINITIONlmao>but the fetish can be detached from it.so then you agree. glad we finally settled this.so why not put down the gun and browse some of your favorite tags?
