>music edited in post
why

>>748278439
All the Dress Spheres look dreadful. I will not touch them. I wouldn't have hated different outfits and costumes for the cast. Instead we got odd little tuxedos? The dress spheres look like nothing.

Oh and there's a sphere grid. Oh and there's dancing. They wanted this to be X-3 so badly.

Thanks I played 180 hours of the first 2 parts and definitely needed 30 minutes of gameplay to convince myself to play the 3rd part.

The outfits look like shit, and you might think this is minor, but they were the only thing reminding me I was playing FF7. The iconic designs looked like the original cast transported to some boring hellscape. Now they look like completely different characters now so the transportation is complete.

Thank you Rebirthquel. I will now feel free to completely skip your slog of a game.

>>748278591
lol stop lying you'll buy it day 1 like everyone else here

>>748278610
No, I'm not joking i completely stopped playing Rebirth and don't have any interest in continuing. It is just a long boring slog and each step removes it more from the original series I liked so much. I could delude myself "well, at least I get to hang out with Tifa and Cloud some more." Even if they didn't act or sound the same as before, and if they're now transported to a world that moves at the pace of molasses.

It's done now. It all looks like nothing now.

>>748278591
>>748278541
If it's bothering you, I find the outfits awesome. Nuff said.
Certainly the amount of Rebirth screenshots with outfit mods indicates that people actually like dressing they characters.

So, has it been confirmed that Zack is a party member or Aerith comes back? I feel like we're going to get some happy non-canon fanfiction ending where everyone lives, like at the end you'll see Cloud and Zack hanging out with Aerith and everyone is still alive. Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie don't seem like they'll come back as only Biggs is still alive in the fractured timeline. The others are all dead.

Wonder what SE is gonna do after this remake, Advent children? FF7-2?

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>character does a dance routine in front of a monster
>it doesn't react until it's staggered

The attacks are too fast, and there's no action-reaction so nothing feels like it has impact or weight. It feels like you're playing some awful fan hard mod that ramped up the HP and poise of the enemies to 100x their originals, so you just wail on enemies. I really do not like this. It's not the worst, but could be WAY better.

>>748278770
Each one sold less, so they are gonna put these to rest. The whole company might go under in a decade, which if each FF game takes like 8 years means this is near the end of everything.

>>748278770
They have the two DLC confirmed for post release, then they can probably do more DLC

Then FF17

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>>748278805
>the best combat in FF history according to fans.

It's souped up Kingdom Hearts combat, with some FF14 flash mobs and Raid boss design. It's weightless and I don't care for any of it.

>>748278439
Looks like ass

>>748278770
Final Fantasy 33, a FF themed turn-based Expedition 33 rip off

>>748278825
FF17 will probably be another one character FF like FF16 because SE has no time and money for a more traditional approach.

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Once you realize every single dungeon in Rebirth is grey-green or grey-blue or orange, you can't unsee it. Why are they so TEAL? Why did Teal-Orange take over the industry?

>>748278873
All those graphics, only for areas to be covered in thick fog and a teal tint. Why? The ONLY stage in the entire original FF7 that had that green haze was Whirlwind maze but every stage has it in Rebirth.

>>748278887
This series is dead if they do that. FF16 was one of the worst games I've ever played

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>attack enemy
>clear reaction from enemy
>enemy attacks:
>clear reaction from Cloud
>attacks are spaced out and clear
>ATB bar

They should bring back the ATB, slow down the pace of fights, give the animations some weight and feel to them. Make it look like Cloud has to really use his weight to swing that sword around, rather than being weightless. There's a proper pace to combat.

I can see this working with the ability to move around. I can see how you can modernize it without turning it into discount spamming Devil May Cry. (and even then, Dante has a 3 hit combo, rather than the elaborate attack spam FF cast has).

>>748278887
>>748278926
They have literally no idea what to do with FF, since they could never transition out of turn based combat well and they have several successful games going in different directions. FF14 is an MMO, and Kingdom Hearts games are real time combat. They have no successful model for a modern FF game. They have no clue and they have tried aping AAA games and it's not working.

>>748278887
>>748278926
>hey let's not include any of the party or job systems
>surprised it did poorly
it's a fuck miracle that 15 sold because of all the shit they put out movie book dlc etc I still think 15 is worse than 16 and that's a crime itself.

>>748278591
you're aware the outfits are completely optional, right?

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>>748279037
This isn't new either. FF12 has the same issue, even if you attack much slower. The enemies just stand around while you limply attack them. Combat feels less impactful.

To this day FF12 is the most baffling FF game since I do not "get" it. Every video of people playing is just having the cast stand around trading hits. Yet you can move around. So you can omve around, but it doesn't matter? And you can set up gambits so the game auto-plays. Why?

Can someone fix FF12's combat so it plays like a normal ass game?

Years in this board have convinced me that /v/ is going to seethe either way.

>>748279156
>The enemies just stand around while you limply attack them. Combat feels less impactful.
Have you not played Final Fantasy since 1987?

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>>748279112
>heh
>pushes up glasses
>shine from the glasses
>you know the core gameplay mechanic the entire game is built around is.... optional right?
>heh. Nothing personal kid. You just got intellectually OWNED.

>>748278439
those outfits are god fucking awful

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>>748279201
Well, can you provide a counter to his argument?

>>748279098
I didn't like either but at least FF15 had the platforming dungeon at the end that I actually enjoyed. FF16 doesn't have a single thing that I would say is fun. The bosses look cool but they they definitely aren't fun.

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>>748279194
But I can understand that and can understand the optimal way to play it since you can't move in battles. Whether you hit or dodge is entirely based on statistics.

In FF12 you can move around but few people seem to make use of it. It's not like Parasite Eve where a big core gameplay mechanic was avoiding enemy attacks between hits. So they might as WELL just had it so that you stand still between attacks since it doesn't matter.

It's really the most baffling game.Why does it exist? Why is it made like this?

I completely understand Kingdom Hearts, FF7 Remake, Rebirth, FF15, FF16, etc. I get them, even fi I don't like their combat systems. I cannot wrap my head around FF12's combat.

>>748278515
Copyright thing probably

>>748278439
What's up with this lame design? Why is Squeenix pushing the gay Cloud stereotype?

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>>748278439
the changes are already pissing me off

>>748279383
so now the story is Cloud, Zack and Sephiroth were there together. Why needlessly change it?

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>>748279345
I bring up FF12, because it was their first real attempt to modernize the combat systems, to make them more dynamic. however it wasn't well received and Kingdom Hearts WAS. So the only popular model FF has now is Kingdom Hearts. So FF just became more and more like Kingdom Hearts as it went.

Then the story and tone followed as well.

This si why FF12 is a missed opportunity. A more successful FF12 that is better received, and has combat that people enjoy and praise, is one that solves the J-RPG multiparty combat problem, and one that provides a model for FF games to improve upon. Instead it was just dropped.

>>748278591
Barret looks lame
Cloud looks gay
The rest are fine

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>>748279383
what the fuck is that? You can see how Cloud's design pops. What the fuck is that dress Cloud is wearing?

I'd honestly just prefer Cloud to have the option to wear the dress he wore in the slums over this. That design at least pops.

These dress spheres look like literally nothing.

>>748279156
>And you can set up gambits so the game auto-plays. Why?
Because the fun of gambit isn't about the actual combat but the preparation/set-up. Think FIFA=realtime combat, Football manager=Gambit.

Looks the same

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>tfw actually liked the mess that is crisis core
>am loathe to imagine the multiverse bullshit they're about to pull with Zack in this game

>>748279345
>you stand still between attacks since it doesn't matter.
It does matter, because being able to move feels less claustrophobic and more immersive than being stuck in the same footholds

>>748278910
>Why did Teal-Orange take over the industry?
Teal-orange games were a thing 15 years ago, Now it's all about pink-blue. Nips are simply backwards retards chasing old trends

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>>748278439
>the main marketing point of the new game are ugly outfits

>>748278439
What the fuck is this nigga wearing? Now I really hope people stop denying that they're trying to feminize all video game characters

Does anyone know if we can still use the clothes abilities but still wear the default outfits? I will straight up just not buy this game if we can't transmog.

>>748279740
A samurai-like outfit if I'd have to guess

>>748279739
they're optional

Is that supposed to be the NORTHERN FUCKING CRATER?
Jesus Christ it looks stupid.

>>748279458
That's always been the case? Cloud wasn't a Soldier though

>>748279740
It's very modern anime/manga. Looks kinda similar to outfits that get put on samurai/swordsmen types when they're too chicken to just use traditional clothing in a fantasy setting.
The application looks fucking awful in the game's visual style though. Bicep-length gloves and the v-cut in the front are especially bad choices for a male, unless as you said, they are purposely trying to apply feminine traits to it.

Cloud's outfits are easily the worst of the lot. Most of the rest are serviceable, but Cloud's are all awful.

>>748279847
>Cloud wasn't a Soldier though
yeah that's what I mean. It's different now. not sure why they needed to complicate it even more.

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>>748279842
>The main marketing point of the new game are optional ugly outfits

>>748278439
>yet another tr/a/nime game
Japan was a mistake

>>748278805
The reason they don't stagger is because this combat system can't really allow the bosses to get hit-stunned so easily. Stagger isn't really admissible in games like this. It's too huge of an advantage for the player.

Why did they stop embracing the edge?

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I'd take Advent Children's melancholy and serious tone over whatever happened to this trilogy

already seeing gay stuff in game before release...just wait till launch week.

>>748279892
>>748279918
>>748279871
Yes, they follow stupid trends in JAPAN that have no appeal elsewhere. Remember when Conman Inafune was talking about how Japanese games couldn't appeal to outsiders ? He was talking about these kind of games. It's like all of Inafune's criticisms are spot on for Square-Enix in 2026, but not relevant to Capcom in 2010.

These outfits are bland rubbish. Look at the original designs, they "pop". They look cool.

>>748279994
the original FF7 was noted for having a mostly serious tone broken up with a bit of levity and was praised for tackling serious topics in a mature manner. When it needed to, it could do horror.

FF7 Remake series is pure Disney and Kingdom Hearts. Levity, jokes, everyone has a nice time, no one is suffering. Make sure all the NPCs you talk to never die. There's no tragedy or weight to anything. just trudging through molases seas while disney songs are sung to you.

>>748278541
You absolute fucking retard you can turn off the FITS if you don't like them, and there's actual outfits for the cast in the game

>>748278439
Vincent doing all those flips and rolling around every time he shoots his gun seems so annoying. How doing all those unnecessary movements help or improve his shooting? It would have been better if it's something you control by combining the shooting with the player pressing the dodge button or something. Instead we get Vincent thinking he's doing a circus show.

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>>748279993
I know in Dark Souls, bosses have a set "poise" number. Each attack in the game can do a set amount of poise damage. When the boss' poise reaches 0, they are staggered.

I think FF7 series can't do this simply because everyone attacks too damn fast. So they should just slow the attacks down.

>>748280072
>Playing rebirth for the first time
>seems fine so far, get into it
>Chadley appears
>quit game
>go back to it a day later
>mai appears
>quit game
>go back to it a day later
>kyrie appears
>quit game
>go back to it a day later
>fort condor mini-game appears
>quit game
>go back to it a day later
>faggot on a bike appears
>quit game
It's frankly unbearable. It's like 90% of new characters and events are specifically made to be as obnoxious as possible

>>748278439
looks gayer

>>748279871
>It's very modern anime/manga.

It seems Square is making the game for Japanese audiences first, which severely handicaps them. Japanese tastes after about 2005 really diverged from Western tastes it seems. So many of these changes just strike people as bizarre. Why does Red 13 talk like a goofy kid? Because they got a one piece voice actor. And they added a pirate game too because of it. Just bafflingly stupid. It's a joke that isn't even understandable in the English dub.

FF7 Rebirth is what people are mocking when they say J-rpgs are silly and stupid.

>>748280478
>It's frankly unbearable. It's like 90% of new characters and events are specifically made to be as obnoxious as possible

...and this is because they're designed like anime characters. Modern anime characters. Modern comedy anime characters. It just doesn't work. They also give them realistic models, but they move around like comedy anime characters so it looks ridiculous.

I genuinely believe that Square could not make FF7 right now if they wanted to. They have completely lost the plot and can't appeal to western audiences.

>>748279383
What changes here? Isn't this just wrong recollection?
God sometimes /v/ can be really dumb.

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>>748280691
>What changes here? Isn't this just wrong recollection?

Zack is hanging out and chillin' like he belongs there. Well he does, in reality, but not in Cloud's false memories.

They introduced Zack, but still want "mystery" so they have to do this.

>>748278926
>This series is dead if they do that
They've done it before way back with FF13-2 and LR. So the franchise has been dead for a while.

>>748280741
You haven't even considered the context that scene might be in.
Maybe Cloud was confronted upon but still insisting on his version of the events.

>>748279993
Stagger is so useless in FF7R, just make the fucking bosses HP lower and get it over with. It's artificial lengthening to make the player happy that they can to unleash attacks on a stunned boss.

>>748278610
I haven't played any final fantasy game since X2

>>748280890
i mean... fuck. that's basically true for me. I played FF12 and that was it. FF is a PS2 era series in my mind. The rest are like dreams or echos that don't exist. I just mock them online then move on.

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The rot is too deep inside square. Square in 1996 was copying then popular anime trends, so they ripped off Neon Genesis Evangelion pretty hard, which was huge at the time. They took story and setting elements, including the tone, pacing, and humor style.

I got to the episode where Misato takes off her top, showing a huge scar on her chest, just like Tifa and I lost it.

All Square is doing is copying modern anime trends though. So can they be blamed? It just creates these mismatches where they take a 90s vidoe game inspired by 90s anime, then remake it based off of modern anime trends?

>>748278805
>it doesn't react until it's staggered
I mean, yeah that is most games. Even in MH, or From Software games 90% of attacks will not cause large monsters to react. You think Fire Giant is reacting to me slicing up his knees? Every once in awhile you get a stagger animation, some free hits in, and repeat. Even humanoid enemies don't care about every single slice you make

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I'm not ready for the trilogy to be over.....

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>>748281230
The animations do not show any sense of actually doing damage. Tifa or Cloud do weightless dances in front of enemies.

Even if Cloud is supernaturally strong, the sword should feel like it has some weight to it.

The reason Doom's shotgun felt so good is because you fired, there's a kick, a feeling, and a reaction. It feels like the attack did something, like there's some impact. It's all conveyed through sound, animations, and enemy reaction.

>>748281346
SE might make FF7-2 and FF7-3 to save money on assets since a new mainline FF takes 5+ years with a shit return.

>>748280691
If that's the moment they arrive to nibelheim, Cloud is supposed to be wearing his grunt gear.

>>748278439
I want them to find a way to make the plot even worse.
Retards have already accepted Advent Children, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, and now they've even accepted Kingdom Hearts bullshit and a battle against the actual concept of fate itself.
It appears that certain fans will just eat up literally anything no matter how bad it gets as long as FF7 is in the title. So please, make it worse. I want to know what the breaking point is, because right now it seems like there isn't one.
Is there anything bad enough that would make these people say "okay, this sucks" because I truly believe there's no bar low enough to make these people let go.

>>748280072
Can't believe I actually agree. This remake -series clown show wears a man down pretty quickly.

>>748281392
>SE might make FF7-2 and FF7-3

They're already making them! Rebirth sold half what Remake did. Remake 3 is going to sell the same at best, but probably LESS. Many people found Rebirth a slog, and didn't finish it quitting somewhere along the way.

Imagine spending all that time, money, and effort, and they made a game that feels like wading through a marsh? It's anti-fun, and anti-cool design. >>748281448
>It appears that certain fans will just eat up literally anything no matter how bad it gets as long as FF7 is in the title.

That number gets smaller and smaller with each sequel though. Yes, there's a core fan base who will eat it all up but that's maybe 2 million people in the whole world and a AAA series cannot sustain itself on said people. FF7 original sold 10 million copies, and FFX sold 20 million.

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KINGDOM HEARTS... IS LIGHT!

>>748281508
The finale is going to be Zack and Cloud doing an omnislash on Sephiroth.

>Seph: uh... how... was i defeated? I knew how fate was going to turn out... yet it remains the same? How?
>Zack: Teamwork. From two SOLDIERS first class.
>winks at Cloud

>>748281448
No post has ever proven more true

>>748280472
Even if you halve the attack speed, you're still dogpiling an enemy 3v1 and letting loose skills. The greater your party members, the greater the resistance bosses need against hitstun.

>Brings back FFX-2 dress spheres

These companies are seriously mentally ill. Who the fuck greenlights this? Even the schizophrenic lowlife thirdie trannies of /agdg/ have better ideas.

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>>748278439
This is exactly what I was hoping for!

Don't care. Still buy and play day 1 (PC).

>>748278439
I can't even finish rebirth, it's so bad..

>>748279287
Why is a balding old fat millennial troon pretending to be a cool zoomer writing like this on a game no zoomer has even seen in real lifr

So what do FITs actually do, anyway? Do they change your main ability? Does Cloud switch out Punisher Mode for something else? Or are they just glorified stat redistributions?

>>748279739
>>748279918
How did you find these perfectly subtly changing pepes??

>>748279383
>>748280741
You guys forget that in this retarded version of FF7 Cloud already knows and remembers Zack

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Apologize.

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>>748282116
nou

>>748282116
It still looks stupid

>>748282116
>>748282182
I like the top part, the pants are what ruins it for me.

>>748278439
>Let's mosey
Kino, I can't believe Square Enix would do it, but damm they did

I couldn't get past Cosmo canyon in rebirth, I was so fucking tired of the slog and when I heard the theme music for the area being completely shat on with ten layers of string counterpoint on top of a full orchestra and a complete and utter lack of understanding of why the theme sounded good in the first place, it kind of crystallized how I felt about the whole thing. Just an absolute vomit of fanservice and anime crap all over what made the original feel cool, made for and by tasteless idiots who see thing and clap

>>748281448
>final fight against sephiroth
>win battle
>lose cutscene
>sephiroth will kill everyone
>suddenly every one glows
>full heath recovery!
>look around
>sky glow
>a woman doing a healing animation pose
>it is multiverse Aerith!
>battle restart with dramatic opera music with female vocals.
>win battle
>lose cutscene
>sephiroth will wipe the party again
>slash sound effect
>sephiroth was cut in half
>one winged angel. Mp3
>it was multiverse sephiroth!
>he wants to correct his mistake in every timeline.
The end

Why is everyone making things up to get mad at?

>>748282236
It sort of seems to be designed to give Cloud something of a "samurai" aesthetic while still keeping him in modern clothes. The loose pants are kind of meant to resemble hakama, while the sleeve and waist mantle are supposed to make it kinda look like he's wearing a kimono without actually wearing one. You know how some samurai characters leave half their robe hanging so only one of their arms is sleeved? That seems to have been what Nomura was going for, hence why he only has one sleeve. It's a weird take, but I guess he really didn't want Cloud to actually wear Japanese style clothing, yet he also wanted him to look like a samurai so this is what he ended up with.

The waist mantle is also part of the harness he uses to carry the fusion swords. They come as a set.

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>>748278439
This looks like so much fun, bros. I can hardly wait to play it.

>>748282361
What's a non made up thing 7R could be criticized for?

>>748282418
>Couldn't figure out the logistics of having the airship actually land in most places, so they gave up and just have us parachute everywhere.

I mean, in fairness, I'm not really sure what else they could have done. In all of Rebirth, there's basically nowhere you can actually land the fucking thing.

>>748282168
his best outfit even though hes just stealing shit from vincent

>>748282418
>we want the fortnight audience

>>748278439
These games are such fucking trash. I couldn't make it through Rebirth. They don't even look that good, given they're using UE4 and a bunch of horribly low quality assets.

>>748282547
Isn't that basically just saying that Vincent has a better design than Cloud?

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>>748282547
Yo time to duel in dungeon dice monsters

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>>748282361
Except people are getting mad as they hear more actual details

>>748279156
But for FF12, its basically the old ATB but you can move around.
Its not like the FF7Rs who are ARPGs.

>>748282601
Vincent was the villain in the early ff7 story drafts

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>>748281346
>I'm not ready for the trilogy to be over.....
Don't worry, FF bro. Hamaguchi has got us covered.

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I love my wife Aerith.

>>748282418
Hi Ba7ry. Big plans today? Another 8 hours of samefagging?

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>>748282003
Yeah they already fucked up the best reveal from the OG

>>748282653
I'll be honest, neither of these interest me that much. I mean, I guess it might be cool to play as Sephiroth since his gameplay's pretty satisfying in Rebirth, but story-wise, I don't care about either of this.

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>>748282690
Whatever it takes to make you have another mental breakdown, Jimbo-kun. :)))))

>>748282736
Two cuties.

>>748282704
I'm pretty sure they gave up on that shit the second they remastered Crisis Core and told everyone to play it.

>>748281805
It's not a bad idea, but the design of the costumes are really disappointing.

>>748282653
>>748282723
I would rather some Eplilogue stuff desu... Maybe in the next set of DLCs..

Maybe the Sephiroth DLC will be that but it's probably some Ever Crisis jank

>>748278515
To screw with us.

>>748282723
>>748282653
Judging from the Epic Games leak, SE is actually planning a total of 8 story DLC.

The game is still 7 months away and SE is promoting this ff7r like its releasing next week

>>748282848
Shows us they're very confident in their product... Or majorly desperate..

>>748282848
Rebirth flopped, they probably rushed to blame lack of marketing to avoid the real reason.

>>748282848
Revealing things excessively early is SE's bread and butter. Or more like, when was the last time they didn't do this?

>>748282995
Rebirth sold millions.

>>748282932
They should've gave Tifa cleavage with her new outfit outfits. They had one chance and they blew it. And keep in mind that Tifa is gonna be in SF6 where actual lewd outfits exist.

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>>748282736
Hamaguchi is a workaholic. He runs an entire studio, directs multiple (unannounced) games, greets fans at events, does dozens of interviews and plays his own games dozens of times to ensure they are perfect. To top it off, he is also a husband and a dad. I don't know how he does it all.

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>>748280434
>Instead we get Vincent thinking he's doing a circus show.
He has simply embraced his role as a clown.

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>>748278439
Dropped this series 10m into the demo when somebody at Shinra pulled out a smartphone and blew up their own reactor.
3 games later and Cloud is wearing a dress. You get what you deserve.

>>748283008
Yeah, 2 million. Well done!

>>748282736
I'm grateful for the confirmation that 90% of the positive posts about 7R in these threads are just from you posting again and again.
Makes you wonder just how bad things really are for this series.

>>748281448
holy vindicated batman

>>748283045
It's amazing Hamaguchi-san also has time to post on /v/ and promote his game! Sugoi!

>A mod to mute mai and chadley
>a mod in instanly win all minigames
Now the game playable. Thank God I didn't pay any money for it

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>>748283165
And he still even has time for photoshoots!

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>mfw it ends in a cliffhanger and there will be a fourth game

>>748283326
Hamaguchi-san chou kakkoii maji moeru

>>748279492
>What the fuck is that dress Cloud is wearing?
You apparently have to be White or Japanese to recognize a Hakama.

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>>748279458
>so now the story is Cloud, Zack and Sephiroth were there together. Why needlessly change it?
Nothing has been changed. That has always been the case. We just see Cloud here in SOLDIER gear and not in a grunt uniform, because that is what Sephiroth wants Cloud to see. He is toying with his mind.

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>>748283353
>there will be a fourth game
REALLY?

>>748283643
Sad that Hojo's hoes don't get much any porn videos

>>748283609
So what would be a valid criticism of the remake trilogy

>>748283725
Fuck off

>>748283836
Yeah, Barry would say the same if anyone asked him to name something wrong with XV. You're no different.

Jimbo the virgin. So you've been doing this daily since Remake launched over 6 years ago.

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>>748283683
Indeed.

>Cloud is delusional and sees things that aren't there
>game painstakingly cuts to the reactions of other characters to explain that he is seeing something that is not there
>completely goes over the head of supposed FF7 purists with 0 media literacy
It is funny that the critics saying the the remake trilogy butchered every character seem to have completely misinterpreted every character and theme of the original game. It probably has a lot to do with them playing the game as a kid and consuming the game at surface level
>cloud is so cool and strong, cid heckin' swears, smokes cigarettes and abuses his gf, the red dog is wise and humble

How can you remake a story for people who completely misinterpret it?

>>748281376
Rollslop lmao

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>>748284045
Are there any valid criticisms of remake? Or do you just strawman anyone who says anything critical and hope that ends the discussion?

>>748281448
There is no breaking point. Consoomers live to consoom and to get excited for the next product

>>748283997
Lazypro should make all three of them in a nice big set

>>748284280
>ctrl+c, ctrl+v
you keep exposing your own neurosis

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>make giant fuckhuge empty open world with copy paste ubisoft towers and checklist trash and dogshit side quests
>double down on this in the final game
>also add the ability to fast forward dialogue and skip all the side content by auto leveling to the main quest
I hope this game flops, Square Enix gets bought out by sand niggers, and some crazy nigger kills and rapes Hamaguchi in the streets of Wapan.

>>748284346
No answer? It's not a trick question. ONE valid criticism? You can't manage that? The games are perfect and anyone saying otherwise is wrong because [strawman]?

>>748284384
>copy paste ubisoft towers and checklist trash and dogshit side quests
I anjoyed combat challenges. Of course their imagination only went as far as "stagger and preassuer enemy", but the rare challenge where you had to keep the enemy from using certain abilities were fun

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>>748284470
I prefer more tightly designed games that leave me with a memorable experience. A platinum trophy or high gamerscore is not a memorable experience.
For all the shit I'd give FF16, even its side quests are better than FF7R's. They're mostly boring in terms of gameplay, but they often provide very well written and fleshed out world building.

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>>748284045
>>748279458
>>748284045
>Zack, Sephiroth and Cloud are in the same room? HOW CAN THIS BE ZOMG.
OG purists don't even understand the story of VII OG and it is absolutely hilarious. I bet they are also going to get upset when it is explicitly stated in Revelation that Cloud was never actually a SOLDIER.

>>748284637
>even its side quests are better than FF7R's
Nigga, you can't be serious. It's possibly the worst written game of all time and the side quests boil down to - haha misery porn lmao

>>748284384
>also add the ability to fast forward dialogue
You'd know this was in remake and rebirth if you'd played them instead of relying on hearsay, the only difference is that Revelation gives an option to bump that further to 2x rather than just 1.5x speed.
It's actually a great feature is such a dialogue heavy game and I find myself pressing R2 instinctively now in other games, hoping that it speeds up menial, fillery conversations.

Playing FF16 after Remake+Rebirth was fucking torture. It should be a new industry standard, similar to the ability to skip cutscenes. Nobody would argue that FFX would be made worse with the ability to skip cutscenes added.

>>748284665
Rather than replying to yourself, how about giving us that one valid criticism of remake. Or is that too tall an order?
>I'm not samefagging!
Great, you're not the same guy, you're someone else. But I have a feeling you'll ALSO be unable to answer the question, just like the "others"

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>>748284697
>It's possibly the worst written game of all time
Gay bad faith hyperbole
>and the side quests boil down to - haha misery porn lmao
Even if this reductive statement were true, and it's not, that's still infinitely more interesting than FF7R's side quests. Do you disagree?

>>748284701
>you didn't play them
Typical delusional demake slop defender. I can't post most of my screenshots because they're uncompressed 4k, so take this instead.

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>>748284701
>Nobody would argue that FFX would be made worse with the ability to skip cutscenes added.
these are the people saying ff7r is good
you people genuinely disgust me

>>748284916
>Typical delusional demake slop defender.
So you just never noticed that there was a feature to speed up dialogue?

>>748278439
Can't wait for the FF7 remake trilogy/GOTY/Ultimate/Definitive/Final Edition that combines all 3 into a single cohesive package so I can finally play this.

>>748278439
Where are the other dubs. Im sick of American voices

>>748282418
Censorslop

>>748284916
Rebirth > Remake >>>> 16
simple as

Always funny to see the people who spend all their time fighting the unreasonable evil anti-7R shitposters talking about XVI. You'll never see more venom and desperation to make every single thing about that game come across as the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. I doubt they believe it, but they just need any game that ISN'T 7R to be crushed, the worst, the worst ever, and anyone who likes ANYTHING else to be utterly buried and destroyed.

>>748282932
I'm convinced if not for the sunk cost aspect Revelations wouldn't have even been made.

>>748285012
I didn't need to in Remake because the game was concise, to the point, and well paced. Unlike Rebirth

>>748278860
Because he isn't using the atb system

Why the time jannies? Why can't the japanese write anymore?

Imagine being such a faggot that you still buy FF7 compilation games after Dirge of cerberus

>>748284916
>that's still infinitely more interesting than FF7R's side quests. Do you disagree?
I don't see the difference between 16's side quest, and the green side quests in Rebirth. Except more effort like unique music and enemies went into Rebirths. Structurally 90% of games will have a go to place, hear NPC talk, go to other place and kill/interact with thing. Narratively side quests in basically all games take place within a bubble and don't really impact the world/narrative.

>>748285048
I don't even give a fuck about 16 you retard it's mediocre as fuck. I criticized it and called it shit in the very post you're quoting and you giga tribalist niggers are acting like I'm defending that game.
>rebirth > remake
lol, lmao. lemme guess you loved assassins creed odyssey too?

>>748285149
I'm just stating the facts here kid chill

>>748278591
you'll buy it day 1

>>748285143
>I don't see the difference between 16's side quest
I literally just explained it:
>>For all the shit I'd give FF16, even its side quests are better than FF7R's. They're mostly boring in terms of gameplay, but they often provide very well written and fleshed out world building.
Are you really going to tell me the dog escort side quests are of the same quality as FF16's? Again, I am no fan of 16, but a lot of them actually do have well voiced NPCs with realistic characters and decent world building. You can not care about them since the game overall is shit, but if you pretend they're equatable I think you either never played it or are just talking shit.
>Structurally 90% of games will have a go to place, hear NPC talk, go to other place and kill/interact with thing. Narratively side quests in basically all games take place within a bubble and don't really impact the world/narrative.
Wow a giant nothingburger of word salad that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying good job retard

>>748285247
I didn't buy Rebirth or the yuffie dlc. Won't be buying revelation. Not even interested in rebirth at 10 dollars.

>>748285347
looking at the sales numbers it seems millions of others felt the exact same way

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>>748284280
>Are there any valid criticisms of remake?
Ahem!

//chadley voice on

Yes, of course. The lighting is not good; random NPCs don't look good; the summon system is lackluster: the game has pop-in issues; traversal can be clumsy; only the currently controlled player can attain aggro; exploration is uninspired; combat can sometimes feel a bit samey, because unique player skills are not always encouraged; combat mostly revolves around staggering...

Have you taken notes this time so that you can stop asking?

//chadley voice off

>>748285016
I was doing the same thing but played both for the first time last year. I wouldn't recommend waiting because of how big Rebirth and presumably Revelation will be.
Remake is pretty standard in terms of modern game length but Rebirth felt like the first "full" game I'd played in like 2 decades. It's so big that I was exhausted toward the end chapters despite loving the experience.
Play Remake, take a break, play Rebirth, take a break and then play Revelation. The side content isn't crucial unless you're really enjoying the game and want more out of it.
>>748285069
What are you talking about lmao, Remake actually had worse story pacing than Rebirth, it was just a smaller game. The segment after the plate collapse was a slog and the time given to Jessie, Biggs and Wedge was excessive at the start. Rebirth had the slow Zack segments but they still felt like they were building up.

It seems like you actually haven't played Rebirth, you also posted modded Remake pics

>>748285414
Thanks! I'm sure you won't mind if I ask other people who aren't you in future. After all, you don't speak for everyone. :)

>>748285069
>ghost trainyard, return to sewers
Nah. Rebirth's pacing sucked but so did Remakes

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>>748284637
>For all the shit I'd give FF16, even its side quests are better than FF7R's.
These is complete and utter nonsense. I love FFXVI, but 80% of the side quests are absolute dog shit. They are literally some of the worst side quests I have ever seen in vidya and the game would have honestly been better if it were all cut. FF7R side quests and mini-games blow FFXVI side content straight out of the water.

>>748285453
Remake is better-paced than Rebirth because that portion of Midgar in the OG is very underrated. We didn't experience a full scale of a dystopian city it could be.
Remake still needs to be cut a fifth and Rebirth a third to have more optimal pacing.

>>748282116
can't unsee ichigo

>>748285287
>Are you really going to tell me the dog escort side quests are of the same quality as FF16's? Again, I am no fan of 16, but a lot of them actually do have well voiced NPCs with realistic characters and decent world building. You can not care about them since the game overall is shit, but if you pretend they're equatable I think you either never played it or are just talking shit.
I am going to tell you that, and considering you can name drop an escort quest in Rebirth yet can't name a single fucking side quest you deem memorable from 16 says alot more.

>>748284916
>Do you disagree?
No I think 7 has more interesting quests narratively, even if mechanically they are garbage. And you're allowed to hate several things at once. It's not a Who's a Bigger Garbage pile competition. Though personally I prefer 7 because at least its original cast is good. 16 is bad from top to bottom

>>748285347
>Not even interested in rebirth at 10 dollars.
try it

>>748285453
>What are you talking about lmao, Remake actually had worse story pacing than Rebirth
Yea no.
>The segment after the plate collapse was a slog and the time given to Jessie, Biggs and Wedge was excessive at the start
That entire section is a couple hours max. I'd agree it stretches out, but are we really saying it's stretched out compared to, say, Golden Saucer in Rebirth?
>you modded Remake so it doesn't count
Nigger what?
>It seems like you actually haven't played Rebirth
I love that this is always your fallback cope. I 100% entire game until post-game. Every side quest, all the protorelic shit, all world intel fully completed, all of queens blood, just didn't do post-game girugamesh

>>748285287
>the dog escort side quest
Yes it's better narratively because I empathize far more with a mother worried about her son than a "haha how can we torment these poor not-kikes more to show how ass this world is"?

>>748285636
>and considering you can name drop an escort quest in Rebirth yet can't name a single fucking side quest you deem memorable from 16 says alot more.
Are you fucking retarded? Blind? Retarded and blind? I literally posted on you moron.
See: >>748284637
>>748285740
>No I think 7 has more interesting quests narratively
Then we just fundamentally disagree at a baseline level and will never see eye to eye. I think they're both absolutely terrible, but FF16's at least TRY to build the world. FF7R's do not whatsoever.

>>748282418
>righteous anger feels good
>negative emotions net you more (You)s you desperately need to fill your attention need
>anger breeds more anger, which breeds more attention
>if you start positively, it only takes one motivated unit to bring everyone down to the emotional base of anger
it's the curse of the attention economy. conditioning and self-reinforcement of behaviors that make you visible at any cost

>>748285825
>"haha how can we torment these poor not-kikes more to show how ass this world is"?
What kind of elite election tourist larping is this? Branded are kikes? Nigger what? While you defend the game that has niggas in nibelheim n shiet?

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>>748285347
I'm not interested in E33 or Atlusslop either. I wouldn't even play the games if somebody paid me ten dollars. However, I don't announce my opinion in respective threads every chance I get, because I'm not a schizo. :))))

>>748285751
Nah, Remake turned out to be too much of a slog, and everyone agrees Rebirth made that part even worse. and everything about revelation looks like they added even MORE slog than rebirth, so I'm out.

Also seeing nero and weiss in the yuffie dlc confirmed my worst fears for what they planned to do with the new story and I wasn't interested. Which is a shame because I'd like something new if it was cool and interesting. But reheating compilationslop and zackwank is the last thing I consider interesting.

>>748282361
>>748285971
im retarded

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Friendly reminder that despite being one of the worst mainline FF games of all time, 16 still sold more copies than Rebirth.

>>748285596
>Remake is better-paced than Rebirth
Not really. They actually feel very similar if you just bee-line the main quest.

>>748279156
>Can someone fix FF12's combat so it plays like a normal ass game?
Yes it's called xenoblade chronicles 2. Except you don't get access to the full battle system until about halfway through.

>>748285759
>but are we really saying it's stretched out compared to, say, Golden Saucer in Rebirth?
The amount of time spent at the Golden Saucer in Rebirth is pretty similar to the original game. When I played through, I actually didn't engage with the minigames there at the time until coming back late game. The only part you could argue that they took a bit far was the stageplay bit but it's a forgiveable QTEslopfest that is more plot-relevant.
>I love that this is always your fallback cope. I 100% entire game until post-game.
You've made it kind of obvious that you haven't played Rebirth. You didn't know about 1.5x and seem to have no knowledge on the game beyond surface level hearsay you gleamed from twitter clips.

>>748283045
Who the hell even is this guy as he didn't exist until after Rebirth flopped.

>>748285986
You spend hours every single day (for years) being mad about anyone disliking 7R and samefag all day to "defeat" them then do it again the next day, again and again. A very miserable life, no matter how many :)))s you add.

But I'm curious, why don't you post about "turn troons" anymore?

>7R's dog quest
>Cloud learns more about how Junon copes with Shinra and Barret has a mini-crisis over how he'd handle Marlene growing up
>FF16 quest
>Clive has to go get stuff to remove a brand. They also never actually showed how Clive lost his brand until when it was patched in a later release

>>748286094
Very very VERY nice work. You avoided saying either is better than the other, because that would be dangerously close to criticizing one of them.

>>748278439
The only thing this video does for me is remind me how good the original OST is

I have a bad feeling they gave this only 1/4th the budget of rebirth and even that should have looked considerably better technically

>>748286117
>Noooo FF7R fans aren't allowed to discuss games I hate
Cope, Fatlus schizo. Go back to your Persona 6 Ghostbusters thread.

>>748286236
We'll like whatever we get, so it would be silly to spend more than they need to

>>748286007
>Also seeing nero and weiss in the yuffie dlc confirmed my worst fears for what they planned to do with the new story
they don't show up at all in rebirth, i hope this made you realize that you're missing out on rebirth, yes the yuffie dlc isn't that good, but rebirtth is a nice game

>>748278805
looks like fucking gacha combat
flashy but you just spam 2 buttons

>>748286247
>FF7R fans aren't allowed to discuss games
Of course they are. But you don't discuss at all. You talk about the haters and samefag for hours to "punish" them for "attacking" 7R and/or liking anything else. You are mindbroken beyond repair. You think about persona and atlus and e33 and metaphor more than 7R because you are more interested in discussing your "enemies" than talking about 7R.

>>748286102
>The amount of time spent at the Golden Saucer in Rebirth is pretty similar to the original game.
No the fuck it is not lol
>You've made it kind of obvious that you haven't played Rebirth.
You're only saying this because I'm criticizing the game and because you're a defensive faggot. I can tell you numerous obscure facts about the game and I'm sure you'll dismiss them all. How about the protorelic quest in the Nibel area where you follow the Sephiroth clones around and see the innkeeper from Kalm? Lemme guess, you're still gonna say I never played the game.

>>748286292
Okay, I'll consider it. I do have some free time coming up next month. Maybe I'll get it while it's cheap and play it then. Are there any valid criticisms of rebirth I should be aware of before I begin?

>>748284637
>16
>Tightly designed
I too enjoy them skipping actually important shit but forcing the player to do Mid's chores while making the long trek over and over again in the homebase.
Also, shoving basically half of the damn eikon's into the last 10 hours of the game.

>>748286361
>. Are there any valid criticisms of rebirth I should be aware of before I begin?
don't waste too much time on the ubisoft checklist on the map

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>>748286158
>You avoided saying either is better than the other, because that would be dangerously close to criticizing one of them.
Rebirth is better tho. You could have just asked and I would have said so.

>>748286472
You don't have to do the world quests, but skipping them means that you'll be short on useful materia, gear and party exp. At the very least he should do the world monsters and moogles.

>>748286472
I won't. I've heard it's very boring and unfulfilling. Side content hasn't been FFs strong point for a long time.

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is Cloud wearing a dress now permanently LMAO

>>748286327
>How about the protorelic quest in the Nibel area where you follow the Sephiroth clones around and see the innkeeper from Kalm? Lemme guess, you're still gonna say I never played the game.
Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about. I put something to you, your defense is "nuh uh" and then your evidence is a synopsis of an optional side-quest toward the end of the game, that again, you probably heard somebody complaining about so you made that your opinion.

You aren't going to escape the fact that you began this conversation not realising a basic feature of the game series. You're claiming it's being ruined by adding something it already had.

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>>748286361
>Are there any valid criticisms of rebirth
It's a 30-40 hour game with 120-150ish+ hours of literal ubislop open world content. The rewards are the best materia in the game, so have fun cucking yourself for not doing them.

The overall tone of the game is quite different from the original FF7. FF7 original had some.. whimsy, but FF7Rebirth particularly really treads the line into full blown leddit humor and lightheared campiness. Oh boy I sure hope you love reddit quips all the time, especially from Red
I'd say 60-70% of the larger plot points are "the same" in a very general sense, but almost all of them are changed in some way. Some good, some bad. A lot of "expanded universe" FF7 shit is retroactively added into the game (lots of Zack wank).
There are also some pretty major moments that are completely different, and imo, make the characters writing much less believable and realistic.

Do you like Kingdom Hearts? Because oh boy if you thought time jannies were bad just wait until what Rebirth has in store for you.

>>748281448
This aged like a fine wine

>>748286572
>Because oh boy if you thought time jannies were bad just wait until what Rebirth has in store for you.
One scene

>>748286572
I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.

>>748286562
>you didn't play the game, but again
Jesus christ you're an insufferable fucking retard. I didn't read your post and I accept your concession

>>748286632
Is criticism of that one scene valid? Or is it invalid because it's only one?

>>748286669
I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard you try

>>748281448
Prophetic

>>748286632
>One scene
Oh yea? The entire beginning sequence, you mean? Oh, and the repeated Zack sequences where he's in a completely different world/reality where everyone who died in the main timeline is alive and everyone else is comatose/MIA?
Oh, and the lifestream + weapon + time janny nonsense at the Gongaga reactor?
What about the exit of Temple of the Ancients where all the time jannies show up?
Or what about the entire ending sequence?

Just one scene, right? You fuckers are delusional.

The guy in charge of the combat knew about how awful the outfits look. He pushed to force them to make the outfits optional while letting you keep the combat benefits.

>>748286636
Nah, The Ubisoft towers suck, but I am not going to throw a hissy fit about it. Especially if the rest of the game is so amazing.

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>>748281448
This post should be funny but it just makes me sad because it's true.

>>748285986
>>748286247
You are "well into" your 40s and you post like this on 4chan all day. You lose. At life. It doesn't matter what you say because the objective reality is so grim. Your life is pathetic. Even if you somehow managed to finally win the argument you'd still lose.

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>>748278439
It looks so good, bros. April 8th can't come soon enough.

>>748286834
Yeah, its a valid criticism, but people shouldn't mention it. It's nothing.

>>748286891
>>748286913
lmao

>>748286946
uh oh, you're having another melty.

Is there no Persona 6 Ghostbusters thread for you to post in?

>>748279383
Why is Cloud wearing a dress?

>>748287007
It's a Hakama. Browns are culturally illiterate, so of course they don't know what that is.

>>748287062
Nigga he looks like he has a skirt. Very rapeable

>>748286809
I think the Gongaga segment with Tifa is the only one that was a bit weird and impacted the original plotline, but then, basically all of the Gongaga section of the game was new content.
Having Tifa already show the Cloud reveal means the big reveal will at least present differently.
The Zack opening is carryover from Remake, whispers weren't doing much. Also at the end, they are just animation fluff, not changing Aerith's fate or the original scene. Anons being filtered by the scene, thinking Aerith lived are midwits.

Rebirth has significantly less time jannie sightings than Remake. Nobody knows their relevance yet or the Zack plot's purpose but everybody has premptively assumed they know exactly what is happening.

>>748287000
>Persona 6 Ghostbusters
I don't even know what this is, but then again, you think about your persona "enemies" every waking minute of the day. Your life is pathetic. You're almost 50 and your autism caused your brain to stop developing at 14. Can you still get it up to jerk off to yuffie in your old age? I hope that brings some comfort.

i don't even know how you people get into such long winded arguments about the demake.
>time jannies
>rebirth ending
like yea sure it has a lot of other weird/dumb shit but those 2 alone are enough to say "what the fuck is this absolute trash?"
idk if it's samefagging trolling or just newfags being contrarian either because remake was actually pretty OK outside of time jannies and that game was fucking slaughtered when it came out. the time janny threads were legendary

>>748278439
I'm so hyped for GOTY 27'

>>748287117
>One scene
>okay its more than one scene but who cares!!!!
This is every 7r fanboy argument

>>748287160
Uh oh, the turn-tranny unc is really upset today. :)

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>>748287198
>I'm so hyped for GOTY 27'
Same. :)

>>748287194
No matter what they get they have to mindbreak themselves into thinking it's either good, or not a problem at all. So the time jannies become, somehow, a tiny tiny tiny tiny problem that isn't even a problem, like a crappy alt costume you don't have to use.
As the games get worse, and the sunk cost grips them tighter, they have no choice but to double, triple, quadruple down. They have to win. They can't let the critics score a single point. Once you understand that's what's happening in these threads, all the posting makes sense.

>>748286361
What about valid praise of Remake instead?

>>748286064
THE worst FF game, FFXV also sold more copies than Rebirth.

>>748286064
16's only mistake was not giving Clive a happy ending. It should've even gotten a GOTY nomination over Spider-Man 2, and Starr Best Performance over the faggot vampire from BG3

>>748287117
>I think the Gongaga segment with Tifa is the only one that was a bit weird and impacted the original plotline
What nigger?

You don't think an entire separate world existing where Zack and Biggs are alive and doing shit "impacts" the "plotline"? What about fighting Sephiroth after Aerith "dies", with her, and then suddenly with Zack that teleports randomly in from said alternate world? That doesn't impact the plotline?

Are you retarded?

>>748287289
This guy gets it

>>748287384
I will say anything to invalidate any criticism no matter what it is. Remember that as you read my answers.

looks like pure fucking garbage

>>748287292
The areas made in house and not by jeets with shit lighting looked amazing. Sadly that was only 20% of the game.

>>748281448
remember when people used to get mad at this and pretend it wasn't true kek

>>748287519
The game was made almost entirely in Japan. Even most contractors are Japanese.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/218917/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth/

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>>748287292
The new meta is that they actually pretend to like Remake, but it's just that Rebirth ruined everything and then spam "one valid criticism" bit throughout discussion thread.
>>748287384
>You don't think an entire separate world existing where Zack and Biggs are alive and doing shit "impacts" the "plotline"? What about fighting Sephiroth after Aerith "dies", with her, and then suddenly with Zack that teleports randomly in from said alternate world? That doesn't impact the plotline?
I know there isn't any purpose actually attempting to discuss the plot with you but the lifestream is kind of a huge factor in the original game's story. There are factors at play in the original that are central to the game's resolution. The Remake series is showing and explaining concepts that were not shown in OG. We also see a lot of Cloud's 1st person POV in 7r which seems to confuse a lot of people

Did you look at Aerith appear at the end of FF7 and think, wtf she was ALIVE the whole time?

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>>748287605
lmao

>>748287605
Huh. Well I guess a lot of Japanese people did a shit job then. 20% looks amazing, the rest... not so much.

>>748287289
>>748287389
I'd rather just wait for the entire story to come out instead of acting like a hyperbolic retard over a story that I don't have the full context of.
When Revelation comes out, then I'll gladly shit on the remakes with my full might if the entire thing is a crock of shit.

>>748287117
Yeah I get what you're saying. None of the scenes that differ from the original have any impact to the main plot. The Gongaga reactor scene where Cloud tries to split Tifa in half and almost kills her actually doesn't lead to any meaningful change to the character dynamics or the plot, when it feels like it should. They brush it off as Cloud being a little silly and move on.

>stretch your remake out to 3 games
>go full pants on head normalfag modern gaymer mass appeal with it, and throw in some kingdom hearts wacky woohoo bullshit to ripen things up
>none of the 3 (three) games win game of the year
>split across 3 games in a gaming market 100x the size of original's and can't even outsell it with 3 separate products
hope these fuckers sink with this ship

Why do some people feel so insecure they need others to hate a game just because they do?
We get it. All of your criticisms are valid. Now, let us just enjoy the game and like it, won't you?

>>748287428
>>748287624
I see...

>>748287687
>praising the story before it's done is fine :)
>criticizing the story before it's done is not ok :(

The first two seasons of this show has been really bad, but I better not say a word until the show is completely finished. It might turn out to be a masterpiece.

>>748278439
Eh, it's okay.

>>748287636
>browncel can't even count
Nobody is surprised.

People said the Twilight movie was bad before they even watched the whole saga. What a bunch of retards.

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>>748287160
>Persona 6 Ghostbusters
>I don't even know what this is
A game for browns.

>>748278805
It doesn't react until it's Pressured. The system is called Pressure. Enemies will facetank hits until they are Pressured, then they will start getting stunned by hits. When an enemy is Staggered, they drop to the ground and allow you to wail on them indiscriminately.

The system you're describing is called Pressure. It can be triggered my a multitude of things, depending on the enemy. Dodging an attack, blocking an attack, or simply landing the correct attack from the right direction will apply Pressure.

>>748287701
I think we should just admit it, YES we will like whatever we get. You're right. Now leave us to it.

>>748287839
That's what I'm saying

>>748287624
>I know there isn't any purpose actually attempting to discuss the plot with you
Why is that? Is it because you said "one scene" and then I pointed out how it's actually quite a few? Or maybe it's because you said "none of them impacted the story" and then I pointed out how there's a multiverse and the story is completely different? Or is it just because we disagree and you're so fragile that me accurately, factually, and concisely stating my criticisms of major plot changes offends you? Which is it, exactly?
>but the lifestream is kind of a huge factor in the original game's story. There are factors at play in the original that are central to the game's resolution. The Remake series is showing and explaining concepts that were not shown in OG. We also see a lot of Cloud's 1st person POV in 7r which seems to confuse a lot of people
Wow congratulations you just said a lot of words that mean literally nothing. None of this has anything to do with why Zack and Biggs are alive in another world, why that world even exists, or why Zack visits us from that world and helps us fight Sephiroth at the end of the game
>inb4 it's just the lifestream bro it works in mysterious ways

You are agonizing to engage with. You want to sit here and make up larping headcanon about "well akshually nobody played the game, all these criticisms are fake, and it's all one big larping effort with a central narrative where they all copy and paste toooooooootally not fair criticisms of my favorite game!"
And despite your room temp IQ bad faith projection, I still engage with you in good faith and directly lay out valid critiques of this game while you effortlessly handwave them as if they're invalid. You're invalid, nigger, and so is your game in the eyes of anyone with a soul.