>Mann-Conomy>F2P>MYMWhy can nobody ever seem to agree on which event was the worst for this game and was the point of no return?
>>748672163who fucking cares
two of these were obnoxious, but only MYM actually broke the main gameplay loop irreparably
>>748672163I'm pretty sure everyone outside of your off-site echo chamber agrees that it was MyM that killed the game for good.
>>748672418I wasn't implying that meet your match was the worst of those, Anon
Killing lobbies killed the game.
>>748672502Well it was, if all the community figureheads begging Valve to revert it specifically wasn't a sign.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcJoQR0JUHc
Meet Your Match and Jungle Inferno are by far the most destructive updates for different reasons. The former irreparably ruined the playability of Valve servers, the latter nerfed a large chunk of weapons into being unfun.
>>748672163>if valve is motivated by good press and keeping their communities happy, why havent they reverted casual yet?>if valve is motivated by cash flow and the low quality matches are driving players away, why havent they reverted it yet?it seriously makes zero fucking sensei hate having to pass around the corpse of this game between niggers who genuinely think casual mode saved tf2, and faggots who snortled at a shitty sfm meme recreation once and think their vote for an emporium halloween shitpile hat should count as much as mine.
pro tip: it was mann-conomy.
>>748672163the top two at worst just brought in annoying retards who eventually became self contained, the latter pretty forever buttfucked the game and led to the worst period in tf2s history which is arguably still going on since even with the bots gone (at least in the form of obvious sniper aim bots) everybody started realizing that them having to constantly gamble on a decent match wasn't just due to said bots, its just the default experience
>>748672163Jungle Inferno was the update that raped the game for meGun Mettle being a close second due to comptards
>Mannconomyruined video games forever>F2Pwasn't really that bad.>Steam WorkshopGood idea in concept but it ended up being bad for tf2>MYMruined TF2 forever.
>4chan and TF2 died in the same yearKind of poetic if you think about it
>>748672657I'd slip in Gun Mettle as wellnerfs on all weapons are not fun and cringe
Gun Mettle for nerfing Caber.The only objectively good change was airblast nerf in 2015.
>worstGun Mettle for nerfing weapons and appealing to esports comp retards>point of no returnJungle Inferno for driving another nail in the coffin for all weapons and appealing to esports comp retards all the wayI'm glad I stopped playing this shit game ages ago
2012 huh?
based gun mettle haters
>>748672163mann-conomy and F2P are both part of why TF2 has lasted has long as it has. anyone can join in with zero investment making it so that a lot more people are willing to try since it only costs time, and the cosmetics are high tier player expression compared to every other shooter.but it was the updates that started to fuck with the game's balance to pander to compfags that ruined it (gun mettle, MYM, JI) ontop of matchmaking completing raping community.
>>748672163It's MYM. It will always be MYM. Forced matchmaking is the single worst thing that could've happened.
>>748672163It was matchmaking. Matchmaking is always bad.
>>748675374Finally an anon who gets itcompfags ruined this game
>terrible cosmetics, downgraded weapon models to make space for said cosmetics and gambling is why tf2 has lasted as long as it hasthen it should've ended sooner
Sandman and Caber were beyond OP and deserved their nerfsAlso heavy minigun shouldnt make sniper flinchAlso we need to nerf all weapons that counter sniperBuffing spy and removing all the bugs that allow them to do stabs from insane angles and make it really obvious when they are disguised because certain cosmetics/weapons are bugged on them?Uhhhhhh lets make it so you can see the outlines of all friendly players (and disguised spies) on spawn!
>>748675876>and make it really obvious when they are disguised because certain cosmetics/weapons are bugged on them?It's still bugged today. The latest vibecoded fix just make the game more susceptible to crash.
>>748675374>mann-conomy and F2P are both part of why TF2 has lasted has long as it hasThis just makes me think that tf2 was never really that good of a game if what managed to stop it from dying was gambling and microtransactions
>>748676356partially true.TF2C tried the whole "2007 TF2 no cosmetics fuck Valve" way back in the 2014 and that shit barely lasted for 2 months.
>>748672656I think it's generally agreed upon that simply walking back casual would fix the game for the core vanilla experience people simply want back, I'm honestly just shocked and grasping at straws as to why they haven't, WHY they haven't is my biggest issue because reverting quickplay does so many things like:>unfucks all of the gameplay issues instantly that casual caused>unfucks the issues relating to map rotations by letting people vote for what map they want next once the match time runs out, let alone the fact that the round can be extended if people also vote for it>makes the gameplay flow experience of getting into a match utterly effortless, even more effortless by being able to connect to the servers you want to in the server browserI just don't understand why, why haven't they done something as vital as reverting the damage that is MYM's matchmaking system when it literally causes nothing but positive repercussions for the game WHICH WAS ALREADY WORKING WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.
>>748676356tf2 wasn't in any danger of dying at that point valve just said they wanted more money for their work updating the game in the update post itself
>>748676456and before some retarded zoomer tries to pull some historical revisionism on mehttps://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4410
>>748676442I think its a combo of stubborn pride and the current devs either being to lazy or not having the skills to do a full revert, probably mostly stubborn pride since reverting match making would be admitting an entire update was a terrible mistake
>>748676426Yeah... I'd be full of shit if I said that I didn't have fun in classified tho. Troon devs and all that aside.
