Kiwami 3 sold under its 6 months target and is considered "soft" sales wise, and the reaction to the retconned ending is making some sega suits question the plan going forward. The plan was to have an "alternate route" Yakuza 4/5/6 where instead of following the original story, you follow Mine and all the bullshit that happens "behind the scenes". This is what the whole Hanawa = Morinaga twist was saved up for as well. As far as I know this is still happening, but there is some uncertanties regarding the project. Originally it was a duology of games, but now it might just be one. One of the scrapped scripts involved a european mafia organization trying to fill the power vacuum left behind by the tojo and omi.There was even a section planned where you visit a small italian town (a town called ragusa was scouted) to meet the leaders of the organization. The "twist" would have been that the daidoji orchestrated the whole thing to convince the governing party that they are still needed to keep order, and Shishido would've been a mid game boss fight, who then would join your party. Mine would've been the final boss, going full circle. This version of the story however was mostly scrapped. Yokoyama wasnt happy with how "fictional" the scenario felt. He really wants a scenario that connects to the current political climate (mainly japanese) the same way 6, 7 and 8 did. The game is still targeting 2028.Stranger than Heaven is also causing a little panic, as the public playtests regarding the combat have been largely negative. Sega is putting pressure on the team to make changes based on the feedback, and some higher ups within RGG are floating the idea of reverting the combat to the classic brawler style however Yokoyama has been commited to the current style and likely wont allow that change. He wants to create something completely unique.
Very excited for Stella's game!
>>748677671Kiwami 3 and remales of 4,5 and 6 simply aren't necessary. Stranger than heaven will have a hard time because sony fucks up in general and all others will just goypass it.And I... I just want lost paradise 2.
I LIKE THE DRAGIN ENGINE AND EU5 IS FUCKING GAYGIVE ME FUNNY RAGDOLLS
>>748680370>Kiwami 3 and remales of 4,5 and 6 simply aren't necessary.5 and 6 don't need to happen but 4 is mandatory now that K3 exists as 4's story doesn't follow from K3. The ending outright does not allow 4's main story to happen currently.None of the Kiwamis needed to happen and outside of Nishiki's extra cutscenes have been a genuine net negative for the series as a whole either thanks to retcons that make no sense or actual removed content. 1&2 HD should have been localized and called it a day. 3R-5R should have had fixes for the 60 FPS and called it a day. K3 and Ishin Kiwami are genuine mistakes for the series.
I'm gay
>>748680518Oh does k3 fuck a lot up? I never bothered with it because I replayed 3 when the remaster collection came out and went "naaah, maybe in 5 years" when k3 hit
>>748680605So is OP, but I don't see him gloating about it, unlike you!
>>748680672K1 and K2 added additional scenes and occasionally removed some, but still retained the same overall narrative. You fight Ryuji at the end, there's the death fakeout, there's the graveyard scene, etc. K3 directly and aggressively changes the ending to 3 - Mine survives (and gets recruited by the Daidoji because everything has to be the Daidoji nowadays) and convinces Hamazaki not to stab Kiryu, which means the opening of 4 where Hamazaki is in prison to help Saejima break out can't happen, nor is Kiryu still recovering from the stabbing in Okinawa to receive him when he does
>>748680672If you want an in-depth breakdown I wrote a bunch of stuff down during my playthrough (Picture related) to give as much of a comparison as I could possibly give.If you want a tl;dr then:>Story cut the children segments and had to fill time so now it mandates you do Bad Boy Dragon for hours before you can progress the story again.>Story now has issues because Tamiya visits Kiryu in chapter 3 to apologize to Kiryu making the reveal that he's on Kiryu's side in chapter 9 pointless.>The entire ending has been changed completely and now Saejima's part in 4 can't happen the same way anymore because of how drastic the changes are.>Mine survives and recruits Hamazaki to join the Daidoji.>Hamazaki now has extra cutscenes to show the Snake Flower Triad hunting him down for Lao.>Combat is significantly worse due to attack magnetism and enemy super armor denying you from even doing combos past the initial first few hits.>A lot of content in general was cut including Mikio's father substory, Mack, and Boxcelios not to mention Revelations in general.>They added in Aloha Links but with a cell phone instead just for some more padding.>Character changes were unnecessary as only Hamazaki really works. Rikiya looks like he's been stung by bees and Nakahara looks like he's on Ozempic.
>>748677671>Kiwami 3 sold under its 6 months target and is considered "soft" sales wise,good. yokoyama's time jannies running wild for as many games as they did was already retarded enough, the man needs to be tard wrangeled, stat.
>>748680370>Lost Paradise 2My nigga in Hokuto, would be down for a sequel with Rei playable for some air combat.
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>>748677671>Stranger than Heaven is also causing a little panic, as the public playtests regarding the combat have been largely negative.I've seen barely anything of StH, I thought it was just a brawler Yakuza, is it super different or something? That bad for it to be concerning?
>>748681221They'd more likely than not just adapt Blue Sky if I had to guess. I don't believe HGG sold that well either so we might not ever see another one.>>748681276It's Yakuza but different combat. It's more like Souls where R1 and L1 control your light attacks on your right or left side, R2 and L2 control heavy attacks, there's grabs, and it's parry focused with weapons being stuff you either bring in or grab from the environment.
>>748681317That does sound pretty experimental, for Yakuza anyway damn
>>748681005>>748681048Thx for spoon, anons
>>748681417You can also tackle guys down hills or tackle them to mount them and do mounted attacks sort of like in Black Panther. The overworld stuff is 1:1 Yakuza down to the minigames being the usual structure, the map is the only thing changed as you pull out a paper map instead of going to a separate menu.
>>748681317>might not see another one.Honestly if they hurt for moneys they could make yakuza a bargain bin animu platform like omega force did with warriors. I personally have no idea why lost eden didn't sell it was a very decent AA title as far as animu games go.
>>748677671>It's time for Virtua Fighter to save SEGA yet again.Heh nothing personel
>>748681048christ, what were they thinking? Why does Yokoyama feel the need to go back and change the story of all the past titles (for the worse)?
>Persona 4 Re will flop>TW40k will flop>StH will flop>Crazy Taxi will certainly flopIs it over for Sega?
>>748681687Probably because they have no idea how to keep kiryu for another 20 installments after they fund actual cancer research with the kiwami money so he can be cured and protag again in yakuza 9 where you have to level him from 0 yet again.
>>748677671>Stranger than Heaven is also causing a little panic, as the public playtests regarding the combat have been largely negative.I only listened to Gerstmann's opinion after trying it hands on and he was extremely bullish about it, saying that it was doing things in a very fresh and exciting way which is something he's wanted after decades of melee combat being some kind of Arkham Asylum derivative of dodge and parryslop.
Judgment bros...
TOTALYOKOYAMABANKRUPTCY
>>748681238Stella!
Yakuza 8 flopped in the West>Yakuza blew up as memes on the internet for western audiences.>The sales tell a different story and are tepid and worse entry after entry, Japan and Asia are indeed the majority of sales and that share seems to increase game after game (despite overall sales being lower overall)https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/bloomberg-netease-to-stop-funding-nagoshi-studio-as-it-cuts-back-on-gaming.4452/page-2#post-406650>sales in Japan and Asia seem to have made up a big part of this momentum, as Yokoyama notes, “The game is incredibly strong in Japan. Sales in (the rest of) Asia are also quite strong, but the momentum in Japan is even greater than in the past.”https://automaton-media.com/en/news/like-a-dragon-infinite-wealth-dev-surprised-by-unprecedented-speed-of-sales-and-big-change-in-sales-pattern/
>>748677671It's called Dubrovnik and there have never been Italians there. Ragusa is a silly exonym. There is no mafia there unless you count vacation home landladies as mafiosi.
>>748682476Well it wasn't very good. It didn't have the charme of the first like a dragon quest and had nothing interesting to tell. No idea why nips like it.
>>748677671Haven't given a shit about these games since infinite wealth. Gaiden was a good ending and I hoped we'd get a Shishido game.
>investors pissed Sega is intentionally skipping Nintendo this gen>Yakuza is in the worst spot it’s been since the games stopped getting localized>no major titles on the horizon with anything more than just names>too much money going into the doomed Sega Ages revivals
>>748677671>Yokoyama has been commited to the current style and likely wont allow that change. He wants to create something completely unique.He's laser focused to tarnish chigyu-man legacy at all cost
>>748681005This shit can be easily fixed making Kiryu the first character in prologue then hamazaki stab him with different scenario
Why couldn't they just improve the gameplay of this game? Simple but effective. Also last good Yakuza title
>>748683969Sure, there's a dozen other ways you could fix it too. The point is, as the namefag originally said, you can't do that without making a K4.
>>748684047Weird that they haven't given Furuta his own project since Gaiden, he knocked it out of the park with the two judgement games and that one. I'd only play an RGG game if he's the lead with how 8 and that dogshit majima game turned out
>>748684047Gaiden being shorter was a massive point in its favour. The plot was much more compact and was able to laser focus on the important scenes instead of being bloated with sub-arcs and melodrama. Yakuza works way better as a twenty-hour game than a fifty-hour one.
>>748684047Seeing Kiryu let loose was fun
>>748684179Honestly, if he's stuck to spinoffs make RGGO and actual game and have him lead it. He'll do the Ryuji Gaiden side, the normal team does the main story side. I just really want that to get out of gacha hell just to experience it as a proper game.
Yokoyama was a mistake.
>>748677671Will we ever get a Judgment 3?
>>748685129No, enjoy another yokoyama slop
>>748677671Yakuza 4, 5 and 6 is where the story just shits itself to death anyway so I'd like an alternate timeline that doesn't have rubber bullets or Haruka ruining two games.Though the best option would just be another soft reboot like 7.Follow some low level thug in Omi or something set in some time that Kiryu was in prison.Or one of the others, I feel like following on from yakuza 8 will be really hard.
>>748685353>Follow some low level thug in Omi or something set in some time that Kiryu was in prison.It's funny that this is exactly what people thought 7 was going to be and then they made Ichiban a 40-year old for some reason.
>>748685129I hope not, Yagami is a terrible main character.Give me more spin-offs like the expansion to Lost Judgement.
>>748677671Whatever nigga
>>748685353I will defend 4 the new characters are great and the ending is satisfying.5 wastes so much of your time for a horrible payoff at the end.6 I barely remember besides the baby and the new engine feeling weird.
>>748685436You just don't like 40yo guy scoring woman half his age huh
yo when's judge eyes 3
>>748685436I like his story in the first game but he really didn't need to come back in LJ. Feels like a direct to DVD sequel.
>>748681276I don't understand why they keep doing this. Judgement had great combat and LJ improved it in almost every way. Every game since has been worse and worse for the combat. I understand stranger is supposed to be tone wise more grounded but it just looks boring.
>>748685353>I feel like following on from yakuza 8 will be really hard.It's super easy to follow up on 8.>9 is about Ichiban defending Kiryu and Morning Glory from the Daidoji, revealing the Daidoji, and destroying them without tying them back to the Yamato II so that the entire government doesn't implode. Kiryu is a trainer for Ichiban and is otherwise unplayable, he's part of a minigame instead and Yuta is a party member.>Games set after 9 focus on either the Triads or Jingweon as the former were established to still work with the Liumang and had ambitions in Japan, the latter were actively trying to succeed in Japan and nearly did in 6 while also having direct confrontations with both Han and Seonhee in both 7 and 8.Once you do your Triad/Jingweon trilogy you pivot to a new character who would focus more on the civilian level of things as the time of grandiose organizations is over in Japan dealing with upstart gangsters, loan sharks, drug dealers, and human traffickers.
>>748677671This is true because even Stranger than Heaven is about the formation of the Tojo clan, their goal is to create a new canon. They even made him half American like the cucks they are.Probably to make a new spin off series set in the USA when the Mafia had power.
>>748685970But part of the fun is virtual tourism in Japan!If I wanted to see America I'd go outside!
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>>748685696Maybe yokoyama thinks it's time to move on to a completely new gameplay. Of course, it has to be really good first.
>>748683009>westaboos imitating the west by listening to twitter
>>748685436I agree, Saejima is in dire need of a gaiden. Poor lad keeps getting humiliated
>>748685606>half his agebut amasawa is even younger than that
>>748685696LJ had good combat but Judgment was barely better than 6 and worse than K2
>>748677671I will never play a yakuza game becausethere are too manyMake a new ip that doesnt look 1:1 with yakuza
>>748688426Only Yakuza 0 and Judgment are worth playing to be honest.
>>748685436He was written weirdly in LJ but overall I still like him. I liked his characterisation in the school substories more than the main game, stuff like him telling best girl Amasawa that all this school club nonsense he was getting mixed up in was fun for him as it felt like a chance to experience shit he missed out on as a teenager after dropping out of school was nice
>>748688426>there are too manyHuh? What a stupid reason. >"I don't know what to play but not this, there is too much of it"Just don't play em back 2 back
>>748677671Kiwami 3 is selling less than expected because they did the bare minimum. Kiwami 2 was a much better game.
All I wanted was for them to change 5s ending so Haruka doesn't get knocked up and go full retard ruining all the hard work everyone put in to make her a successful idol
Lost Paradise PC when
is it just me or yakuza combat sucks ass?
>>748681629Fist of the North Star is too niche in the West, people just know the meme. Maybe they should make JoJo ga Gotoku instead.
>>748689570Pay sub to AI and do recompile, do it
>>748689570Never ever, must have sold like shit or they would have done it already.
>>748689752It was passable as a brawler but I gave up when they changed it to turn based combat.
>>748677671>yakuza for men>strong sales, no layoffs>yakuza for women>flop,flop, panic, soon layoffs
>>748690254>yakuza for memetardsfixed
>shit out the same reused asset bullshit for decades>still in business I will never understand how this company and falcom are still here
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>>748677671vf6 is the only interesting thing they have going right now. The more i see footage of stranger than heaven, the less i want to play that game.
>>748677671The series died when they attempted to replace the protagonist with an autistic golden retriever with a human face.Fuck you, I liked fistfighting on top of a legendary battlecruiser like I was playing MGS4 again.
>>748690254>>yakuza for womenmore like yakuza for redditors
Can companies stop fucking with their legacy and just let their old works be FOR FIVE MINUTES?
>>748689818No it's not, it's most entry level of anime for manly anime enjoyers/larpers.
>>748691070Despite all the celeb casting Stranger Than Heaven at least seems to have a more serious tone. The only thing I really don't like is that they seem to have gone completely wild with the color grade, even worse than the original Judgment.
>>748681835>Persona 4 Re will flopnot on my watch
>>748692381No one under 35 has seen or read it, and despite multiple new entries/reboot over the years none of those ever caught on.
>>748681835>Persona 4 Re will flopLol>TW40k will flopLMAO
