>/v/ shills the fuck out of this >Never used a controller on PC >It's just $20, so get it>Feels absolutely awful out of the box>Fiddle with deadzones, curves for hours before it feels decentI thought gamepads were baby mode plug and play shit? Took more tinkering than my gaming mouse setup.
GameSaar
You should have got 8bitdo instad
>>748887347This. Still use the 8bitdopro 2 wired.
I saw more people shill the tegenaria lite actually
>>748887245>>748887347>>748887584Totally not a shill threadGamesaar will always be objectively better than 8bitdo cancer. Anyway, OP fucked up by not getting the steam controller instead, it's easily the best controller in the entire market.
>>748887245Gamesir is weird because the Tegenaria Lite is like $20 and is unironically the best controller I have ever used, meanwhile their pricier versions suck dick.
>>748887642Yes but steam controller is expensive and hard to find available in stock
>>748887718True but the 8-bitdo I have is fucking tiny
>>748887245>>/v/ shills the fuck out of this
>buying shit like thisImagine not owning a steam controller. It'll be great once valve fixes the bugs!
Not related to the chink pads being discussed here but does anyone else have to make their controller super sensitive to enjoy gaming? I am basically only using 40% of the stick and trigger motion range to do all my actions.
>>748887698Same deal with 8bitdo, I'm starting to find. $40ish seems like the sweet spot for a non-specialty controller these days.
Just get a series x controller, it just werkst. Just finished setting up a mini PC on the living room to play games with gf and we just got 2 series SEX controllers
>>748887642I tried the gamesaar tarantula and thats the first pad I had to send back because the d-pad was irredeemable dogshit.>meme controllerlmao
>>748887698>only 2 back paddlesbut i need FOUR..... one for quick save, one for quick load, one for fast forward and one for screenshots
>>748887245That's not the fault of this particular controller.It's simply because controllers in general suck.If you want to play more demanding titles you need to; like you mentioned, fuck around with dead zones, acceleration curves etc.Each game will behave differently with keyboard you will not experience any of this garbage.For mice you just need to adjust in game sensitivity.
>>748887865I tried 3 gamesaar controllers and they were all goodI bought one single 8bitdo controller and it had the worst dpad ever >meme controllerHilarious coming from an 8bitdo shill
>>748887849>$65+ for pot sticks>still buying first party controllers in general at all this generation for PC
>>748887698How is the d-pad on it?
>>748887935Do console players just get used to the awfulness of default setups or do they tinker too? Can't imagine a dudebro understanding linear vs inverse acceleration.
>>748888018On consoles you won't have as much control over how your controller behaves. So they will just have to deal with it.
>>748887981M30 is good, but 8bitdo in general is dogshit
>>748887981nothing hilarious about that.8bitdo is nice and affordable. the steam meme pad doesnt have basic shit every chink pad has and comes with useless dogshit nobody uses like laptop trackpads while being extremely overpriced for what it is.
>>748888131>8bitdo is nice and affordable.Poorfag cope. Also, gamesir is reasonably cheap, specially when compared to 8bitdo garbage>the steam meme pad doesnt have basic shit every chink padIt literally has, the customization is the main selling point>ith useless dogshit nobody uses like laptop trackpadsI use them all the time and they're extremely versatile, it's not just a trackpad for mouse controls>while being extremely overpriced for what it isOnly thing that you got right, but it's still the best controller in the marketIf you're poor, gamesir is betterIf you're not a poorfag, steam controller is all you needIf you're a retarded tendiefag that keeps falling for jewtuber shills, then I'd still rather recommend some $10 chink controllers over 8bitdo
every line by line reply tweet is dogshit
gamesaar marketers in this very thread
>>748887245Iron man has one decent comic run and no good movies
>buy sexbox pad>buy the razer charging cradle>just werks, solid inputs, no fussing with wires or batteries ever againI don't get people trying to penny pinch on something that will last you years and years.
>>748887245I don't know about gamesaar but I got myself a vader 4 a while back and I have to kneel to chink companies because it's straight up better than the official xbox and sōystation gamepads.
>>748888589yeah the vader is based I wish they made pads in playstation shape too.
>bought 8shitdo>dpad fails the contra test>left stick drifts>promised me nintendo button layout>press RIGHT face button which should be a fucking A BUTTON on nintendo layout aka the ONLY CORRECT LAYOUT>emulator thinks i pressed BTHATS NOT NINTENDO LAYOUT FUCK 8SHITDO
>>748887698The Tegenaria Lite is bad for a couple reasons. 1. R1/L1 are too narrow and stiff. Bad for parry games like Sekiro, Sifu, etc.2. L-stick spring is too light. Makes it easy to accidently register an unintended reverse input when releasing the stick after a flick.
>want to buy gamesir>there are like 300 different modelscan any of you fags at least say which are the decent/good ones?
>>748889258I have the Cyclone 2 and it's serving me good after a year I bought it for 50 bucks incl dock.I wish it was a little bigger though.
>>748889258Tegenaria if you want cheapest, dual shock layoutNova 2 lite if you want cheap, xbox layout Cyclone 2 if you want all the features no compromise G7 pro if you are a retard, get a steam controller for that price
Gamesir is the biggest shill bullshit I've ever seen
>>748887849They are expensive for no fucking reason, otherwise I would. Why do you think I’m trying to find alternatives for my PC.
>>748889258I have a few old gamesirs and I felt the same looking at the options now. I just want a gamepad for pc and turbo and back buttons
this is the best controller i've ever used. light, inbuilt battery, incredibly accurate sticks so you don't need deadzones in game, also has a calibration mode to adjust the sticks if need be, the buttons are nice like an xbox controller, feels great in the hand like an xbox controller, 1000hz polling wired or 780hz wireless. cost me a whopping £20 off amazon
GameSAAAAAR blows 8shitpoo right out of the water
>>748887245Time it seems obvious to use an official console controller, Xbox wireless ones are pretty solid outside of the d-pad.
>>748889492The alternative will not be the same and you will keep kicking yourself for not just getting the controller you wanted in the first placeAlso it's not like it's gonna break the bank let's be honest
Xsex controller is $90 in my shithole. Gamesaaar, 8diddledo and other chink controllers are $15-35. I moved from xbone to chink shit this generation.
Saar you do not need the good dpad saar. Please do the needful low quality xbox pad you bloody bitch bastard or I rape your sister.
Why buy anything else at this point?
>>748889583xbox has the best dpad on an official controller desuofficial controllers are overall poop though
>>748889420Thanks for the heads up any thoughts on the cheaper versions of g7 like g7 se/he?
>>748889420wtf has gamesir been enshittified? I paid like 30 bucks for my gamesir t4 and then t4 pro and it has four back buttons and turbo. Nova lite 2 is 50 bucks and only 2 back buttons and no turbo
>>748887718>ExpensiveFound the poorfag
>>748889682I got some custom buttons for it to bring it more in line with the color scheme of my steam deck oled LE
>>748887245anon the manufacturer is literally called gameSAAAR, I can't believe somebody actually fell for that
>>748890093It's actually Games IR. Tiny chink company heads clearly doesn't frequent /pol/.
>>748889682no trigger lockmeme pads are a gay memeno dock
>>748890179>no trigger lockunnecessary>meme pads are a gay memeworks great for strategy games>no dockpuck is better
>strategy games on trackpadsgrim and delusional
>>748890393I play them just fine.Cope and seethe.
>>748890426lol
Steam Controller + DS4. Owning anything else is just foolish.
>>748890450>these are the only two controllers I have ever used and this is my post
>>748890179Brown skin detected
>>748889758It's 30 bucks and usually on sale.
>>748890179All of this is pointless, still a stupid pad for fags making steam their personality. No better than the consolefags.
I always find it funny how this board can never agree on what brand of controller to get, and as the other anon said, companies like GameSir having over 300 controllers on sale doesn't help at all.
>>748892312usually you just have a few different budget categories and shapes to consider.the remainder is all older models.
I only buying boughted an controller just to be able to pan camera in metroidvanias when they don't include panning with keyboard and mouse on arrow keys so I just pushed the right stick to see aroundIf you geuinely need controller for more than that you are casual and legit should just grow potatos irl
>>748887245Then which one doesn't suck? The stock Xbox controllers are straight up ass and drift like a motherfucker.
>>748893308basically none of the chinese pads have drift.
>>748887245I just use my old reliable 360 controller
>>748887347There seems to be a lot of gamesir shills on /v/ for whatever reason. I've tried both their top ends and the 8bitdo is just outright better for cheaper. Not that the Gamesir G7 or 8ks are horrible or unusable or anything but they feel cheaper then the Ultimate 2. Gamesir definitely makes the best cheap controllers though even if the wires are short. Pdp also makes good cheap wired controllers that have non-eccentric colour options.Pic related is a good buy if you really liked the ps4 controller and are looking for a replacement.
>>748887245>called gamesaaar>he thinks /v/ shills it
>>748887245>Never used a controller on PC Sounds like your problem right there, and you would have had a worse time with any first party shit. Works on my machine but I'm also not an autist.
I'm more of a Chicken Run guy.
I'm a flydigi chink myself
>>748887987Quite literally the best reason to get one. The d-pad is great and I say this comparing it to an 8bitdo M30 (six button layout) I have for fighting games which also has an excellent d-pad. I use the Tenegaria Lite for any 2D games.
>gamesaar>8shitdoBoth are crap quality chink garbage. Just stop being a retard and buy a proper controller. Bought a razer one and had zero complaints. Meanwhile 8shitdo was absolute dogshit quality then another gamepad I bought from some chink company had really shitty software and wanted me to not only agree to two seperate walls of text about how my ass belongs to Tencent and China but also installed some "service" on my PC that had to be on the whole time.
>>748894775Fuck you, that's the one that demands you to have their "service" running permanently and sell your soul to Chinese kikes. Stop shilling chink garbage.
>>748887849The Xbone and Series controllers are both worse than the 360 controller. Smaller, worse sticks, worse stick designs, worse buttons, LB and RB are small and suck so much ass, the recessed Guide Button sucks especially if you're on an Xbone and it's the only way you can take screenshots where it really starts showing its flaws, and it doesn't feel good to hold.For the exact same price as it you can get a G7 Pro for every other system out there except the Xbox, and if you spend like $20 more now it works wirelessly on the Xbox. Hell, if you don't want that just buy the Rare 40th Anniversary Edition controller from 8bitdo and get it for like $30ish cheaper. There is zero reason to buy OEM Xbox controllers and the Elite one may as well not exist due to its plethora of quality control issues.Outside of the Switch 2 Pro Controller and the DualSense there is no reason to touch first-party anymore, and even then the DualSense has a lot of drifting issues. If the Edge was $100 instead of $200 that would genuinely be the best controller on the market by far because the DualSense feels like it has the perfect weight, size, and has some great buttons and sticks overall.
>/v/ shills this>buy it>it's shit
>>748895225sad
>>748895312there are some retards who baby duck imprinted on this turd and actually do recommend it.
>>748895312>under the sea>under the sea
>>748895307I agree that the 360 remains the GOAT controller, are they still being made?
>>748889682The biggest issue with it is that the triggers are literal garbage when used with steam input. Valve decided to add a massive deadzone you can't remove, you have to press them 30% of the way for 1% of travel.
>>748887245You might be retarded. I have this controller and you absolutely don't need to tinker with it or do anything, no issue with deadzones whatsoever. Best d-pad btw even if i input false diagonals sometimes
/v/ is 90% poor and brown. Evidence of this go on steam begging threads and look at how quickly codes get snatched up like the sniveling little third world roaches they are
>>748895225I just want a decent controller with Nintendo layout for PC use, but every single time these threads will only shill those two specific brands and they can't even agree if they're good or bad. I'd rather just save myself the trouble, buy a Switch 2 Pro for my Switch 2 and use my current Switch Pro Controller on my PC.
>>748889420G7 Pros are $20ish cheaper than a Steam Controller and they're regularly on sale for $50. The only expensive models are the ones that work on the Xbox wirelessly and if you don't need Xbox wireless connectivity specifically there is no reason to buy the ZZZ or Wuchang versions. Just wait for the regular model to go on sale which happens all the time just like the Cyclone 2 and Nova Lites and get that. Its sole flaw is the d-pad on the non-ZZZ/Wuchang versions where it's slightly stiffer than it should be but that's it.Also, if you're gonna be buying Chinese controllers you don't go to Amazon or their official website, just go to something like AliExpress or Temu and get coupons to get them for even cheaper on top of the never-ending discounted prices.>>748895419Knockoffs only sadly. Microsoft did partner with Hyperkin to made a Duke recreation that's got extra buttons but that's about it.
>>748895462>Best d-pad btw even if i input false diagonals sometimesThen it's not a "best dpad", moron.
>>748887245>>/v/ shills the fuck out of thisyou are a cheap retard. I constantly spam the EasySMX X20it's the best value controller
For me, it's the Vader 5 Pro.
>marvel saar controller pottery
>>748895312Unfortunately the "good" F310s are the ones from 10+ years ago. The newer ones are made from much, MUCH cheaper shit than they used to be. They are not a recommended budget buy anymore.
>>748895635
i've got a gamesaar g7 and it fucks
>>748887347>costs 5x more>equally shit
>>748890179No trigger lock is the only downside I've actually found for this thing, it's the one thing I miss moving from an 8bitdo Pro 3
are any of these things the same size or bigger than an xbone pad
>>748887245I like my Flydigi and it sounds less Indian
>>748895312Historically those things occupied a niche when the only other available PC controllers were a Dualshock 3 or an Xbox 360 controller, of which only the 360 controller and Logitech's stuff were plug-and-play. They were always put up with or used as a poorfag option (t. poorfag), not because they were good, /b/ rejects yodeling about submarines and lionizing the controller as a result are a much more recent invention. These days if you want a symmetrical controller you can get a Gamesaar Tegenaria Lite and if you want an Xbox layout you can get an 8bitdo Ultimate 2C, both for $20.
>tfw all the PC quality controllers are in the shape of an Xbox or a Nintendo >tfw no quality Playstation type controllers
>>7488967058bitdo pro3 is good.
>>748896747I use a dualsense with 8bitdo 2. It's fine for now.I used to have DS4WINDOWS but it was a chore to install and maintain when it was losing connectivity.
>>748896747And this a bit like something Nintendo would make, not with the nice Sony ergonomics.
Google UK says that SCUF are pretty good and premium controllers.
it's expensive as fuck but the ergonomics and battery life make up for it
>>748892312It's because they all fucking suck, just get a cheap one.
Stop using wireless trash
>>7488967058bitdo Pro 2 and Pro 3, Gamesir Tegenaria Lite, MCON is the best you can buy if you like pocket controllers (you can utterly ignore the whole "phone controller" thing), Leadjoy Saber Plus, IINE BastetIt's worth mentioning that you can also just buy a Dualsense or a Dualshock 4, DS4 in particular can have its daughterboard replaced to support USB-C instead of microUSB (requires a small amount of filing the shell to support a USB-C plug, buy the Extremerate version of this mod that completely replaces the back shell if you don't want to modify your OEM shell)
>>748896705>leadjoy saber plus, gulikit tt, gamesir tegenaria lite and tarantula 8k, 8bitdo pro 2/3, beitong pangu, dualsense with sticks replaced by gulikit's tmr ones
>>748897373I don't want to run a cord through the middle of my room.
>>748897065>shit dpad>drift sticks>digital triggerswhat's even the appeal? if it was cheap I might understand, but like you said it's way overpriced
>>748897727the procon doesn't have drifting sticks in my experience, you're thinking of the joycon sticks
>>748895306No it doesn't retard
>>748887245>gamesirFantastic.
>>748897793All pot sticks drift.
ENTER
>>748895462Holy shit someone finally talks about the false diagonal shit. If you don't press the 4 direction keys completely centered it registers a diagonal input. I turned off the diagonal input reading entirely, it's a option in the phone app. Turns the d-pad into a digital 4-direction pad.
>>748897950eugh
>>748897727>but muh analog triggers for muh one obscure game that still uses themNo one cares about analog triggers fucking poser, and if you're a racist, you would be buying a steering wheel and pedals instead.
>>748897373Literally all controllers and mice are wireless now. Wireless hasn't added latency in 10 years. Everyone who tests wireless confirms that wireless adds like 1ms extra.
>>748897950Once upon a time it was the chosen one, then they basically destroyed everything good about the design. Ironically the lack of hall effect triggers made it useless as a Saturn 3D Pad replacement.
>>748898035You play F Zero GX with a steering wheel and pedals?
>>748898224You need analog triggers for F-Zero GX?
i ran a nightreign run with my new steam controller its pretty good but they should have swapped the d pad and the left stick.the 360 is still the "best" windows pc controller.
>>748897056SCUF are patent trolls that tried to ruin the whole gamepad space so genuinely no one should ever support them.
>>748887347I don't like 8bd's d-padsThey have a habit of registering diagonal/intercardinal presses if you aren't precisely pressing a cardinal direction
>>748898306They also don't do anything with their sold controllers that you can't do with an OEM Playstation controller and a couple add-ons, you're paying a pretty steep upcharge to do mods you could just do yourself.
>>748898284The game was not designed to be played with this sort of crippled controller.
>>748898074I do not careI did not askStop Using Wireless
>>748898397There's games that do use the Gamecube controller's analog triggers, I don't recall F-Zero GX really being one of them.
>>748898035Why are you defending a $90 controller missing a feature that has been standard for 25 years and can be found on $30 chink controllers?
>>748898429>>748898397the gamecube really still does have the best triggers
>>748898429Try playing video games.
>>748898306>>748898367Fuck em. I'll get a Gamesir next time I néed a controller. Maybe it's time to change to the Xbone form.
>>748898286I miss my 360 pad. I used that shit for 9 years before the triggers died. They were already hard to find back then, noe they are extinct.
>>748898504Eh, they're fine for Gamecube games, but I generally prefer something with less travel and actuation force.
Someone should tell gamesir that their name sucks and sounds like a scam. I avoided them for a year thinking they were indian. They can just do GAMES-IR or GIR to fix it.
>>748887245My supernova was perfect straight out of the box. Maybe it's a (you) problem?
>>748887291suport asha bloody beetch
>>748898453Analog hasn't been a standard in decades.
Anyone buys a device called "GameSir" deserves to be scammed. It's one of the most obvious bootleg names I have ever heard.
>>748898770>I avoided them for a year thinking they were indian.You have been brain-rotted by 4chan and that is not their problem
>>748898971Every Xbox and every Playstation except the first has them. Nintendo had them before they got stuck making gimmick controllers instead. Motion controls are less of an established standard than analog triggers.
>>748899083Nintendo had them for literally one console generation and the Gamecube controller is still also a gimmick controller with its ABXY arrangement and lack of a second Z shoulder button
>>748898770>>748899001you know you can remove the logo off their controllers and it looks like a regular controller.
>>748898770just call them by their real name
imagine being so mindbroken by indians that you think a chinese company is them
Find a flaw.
>>748899228It kinda looked like he was gearing up to make ten or twenty more posts about it>>748899257The EU/JP SNES novelty buttons it comes with crumble into dust after not much use, I went through three sets of the fucking things before I gave up and just removed the metal button inserts and put actual JP SNES buttons in it
I use my Switch Pro controller for everything why do I need some third party Marvel one
>>748899130>Nintendo had them for literally one console generationThe next generation was the Wii.But even the Wii classic controller had this standard feature.
>>748887245why is there no cheapish xbox style controller with adaptive triggers
>>748887245>>748887291>GamesirIt's GameMAAM
man i guess this is showing my age but i just adapt to the controller instead of fiddling with settings or whateverprobably because of madcatz
>>748899001Gamesir is literally the highest selling controller brand in Amazon US.
Does anyone here who has a Steam controller know if there's a way to make playstation icons the default? I've only used playstation controllers all my life so I legitimately have to sometimes look at my controller to know where the buttons are whenever xbox prompts appear on screen for the face buttons
>>748896705>Playstation type controllers>qualityPick 1
>>748899486It's the curse of having options. You can tune every minute details of a controller via software now. When I had my xbox 360 controller it only had one setting - what Microsoft intended.
>>748899257SNES layout is outdated compared to DS4 which has better positioning for the start/select buttons and the addition of the touchpad in the centre.
>>748899548The only way I could think of would be forcing the controller to register as a Playstation controller and the only way I know to do THAT is to get one of those RaspPi microcontrollers and flash OpenPuck to it. (vibe-coding warning, but the Github page for it is immediately transparent about this fact)
>>748899668I absolutely hated the start and option buttons on the ds4. Garbage flush design.
>>748887245Stop listening to the brazilians on this board trying to convince you that more expensive controllers are more expensive fore a fucking reason. I've bought multiple shit controllers and am happy with my steam controller. My 8bitdo ultimate 2 controller and hori fighting commander pro are the only other controllers I wasn't underwhelmed by.
>>748887865You can't explain why you think the steam controller is bad without sounding like a massive shill.
>>748898429genuinely retarded post
I am noticing a pattern. Steam controller users are very low IQ and corporate bootlickers.
>>748899381Adaptive triggers are proprietary Sony tech and getting them would require an expensive license. On the flip side, Microsoft's own license is cheaper (especially for wired controllers) and they do let 3rd parties use their impulse triggers. It's not the same Sony's offering but if you need ANY vibration from the trigger then the options are there. Gamesir G7 SE/HE or T7, 8bitdo ultimate or flydigi vader 5s.
>>748895478It's why the shitposts against more expensive controllers are extremely hard for me to take seriously. They always seem to come from people who have never actually used these devices
>>748899930No, you're just poor. Shouldn't you be shilling the 2C and F310 with your posts?
>>748900018>Adaptive triggers are proprietary Sony tech and getting them would require an expensive licenseThere's already a couple chinky controllers floating around with the feature as a result of the PS5's controller connection encryption getting cracked https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GG3MQT8Y
>>748899749Man that's really annoying. I wish more games just let you pick what icons to use at the very least. I want to pick up another controller just to be able to use icons I'm used to but I'm so used to how nice the puck is maybe I should just try to get used to it
>>748887245>gamesar>marvel slop>looks like a modern day catz controlleri wouldnt hold it even if you paid me to do so, shit probably has e coli particles on it.
>>748887245Idk what that is but my 3 Gamesir controllers from 3 or 4 years ago that all cost $20 are objectively the best controllers I've ever used AND the cheapest I've ever bought.
>>748900543Soon as Gamesaar puts out that wireless upgrade model of the Tegenaria Lite it's all over for me. Zero interest in the Tarantula Pro, loads of interest in a Tegenaria Pro whenever it comes out.
>>748887826You would like a dual shock then. I always enjoyed it for ultra high sensitivity cod gameplay
>>748887987NTA but it's the best d-pad I have used. Beats playstation d-pads that were my favorite up until recently. Blew me away. I use it for fighting games and I have close to no execution error anymore.
I have a cheap 8bitdo wireless I've been using for several years, it's fine. I'm not the kind of person who blames my shitty performance in games on my controller, though.
>>748900636Oh, I think I get it now. My first controllers were ds3 and ds4. High sensitivity got imprinted on me.
>>748895307When I got an Xbox One I had THREE (3) controllers broken out of the box. You should have seen the look on the GameStop dudes face when I came back for the 2nd time that day to return a defective controller straight out of the box. And the 4th controller I got still broke in 6 months. The LB-RB buttons are absolutely atrocious and they get stick drift at the drop of a hat. I got 3 GameSaaaars and they're all perfect 4 years later. Never had a single issue. Hell I still have a 360 controller that works better than my Xbox One controllers.
>>748895635What's the difference between it and the Apex 5? I used an Apex 5 for a month and I really loved the dpad, especially for fighting games but ended up returning it because I hated the way it looked. Played around with the idea of buying the Asuka edition but I couldn't justify spending that much money on a controller when I don't even like Asuka that much.
>>748887987Shockingly good, feels like a "poppier" version of an SN30 Pro or 8bitdo Pro 2 d-pad which are already pretty equivalent in feel and function to a SNES d-pad.
>>748900875Yeah it works best IME when sniping where a tiny flick will send you halfway across the screen so you use just a slight touch to move it gently. Something about the design works best with the acceleration baked into console FPS
>>748889682Because that fat fuck gabe won't sell me one??
>>748887245>Buys the cheapest fucking controller model they have>Its shit>HUUURRRRRRRRR I GOT ROBBED V IS DUMB!retard.>>748887291This, lol>>748887347HOLD IT. Only buy the Ultimate 2s and Ultimate 3s and upwards. Unless you're super strapped for cash, don't fall into the OP trap of buying the cheapest shittiest versions and then complain.
Chink mainlander saved the controller market form the garbage first parties and old guard (madcatz, scuf, Logitech) have been putting out since 2010. Now, they just need to save the gpu and ram markets.
>>748901725if they can figure out NAND manufactories and making their own chips i'll kneel forever, funniest possible timeline because it would also remove one of the biggest reasons for being obsessed with taiwanese occupation
>>748901725>chinks saving the controller market>chinks saving the phone market>chinks on their way to save the consumer RAM marketI can tolerate them having a terrible videogame industry as long as their hardware keeps improving.
>>748901927Chinks will also save us from AI monopoly by ripping off the frontier labs and selling it back for pennies on the dollar.
