>you can just make any game you want in under a dayWhat are the long term implications of this?
TOTAL INDUSTRY DEATH (which is good)
a bajillion derivative dogshit clones while all the talented, creative people are pushed out
>>748995305free advertisment as people discover a neat concept, see the AI tag and look for the original instead
>>748995305Ideas guys are slopping out shit while people with actual skills are making games people want to play.
>butthole shits out anything you feed itcool!>but it's all shitaww
>>748995305>"Wacky Modded games!">The niche of a niche of a niche>"This would fix public opinion on AI!"People STILL would skin alive technocrats the second the police state starts to fail
made this dogshit thread again award
>>748995661>>People STILL would skin alive technocrats the second the police state starts to failNothing ever happens
>>748995305you best hope the games you can make are good because if this effects sales then studios wont make games anymore.worst case is these things can never make a game as good as people can (go ask chatgpt to come up with a joke and see yourself.)best case is communist utopia.
>>748995305Total californian death.
giving companies your data so they can use it to sell products down to line
>>748995770Why would I want this though? This wouldn't kill the industry, it would just turn every storefront into the google app store where it's a swamp of low effort, mass produced dogshit made to extract as much value from you as possible, as actual artistic craft would become unviable
>>748995305I continue to not play video games.
>>748996098>AAA games>actual artistic craftlmao
Killing traditional game development is a good thing
>>748996356why?
> press a to lick> can you rank first on the leaderboards?What do you think?
>>748995305The digital version of oil and microplastics being dumped into drinking water.Going to have to hoard my own information along with physical research material because everything is now incestuous inbreeding.
>>748995305Crapcom demolished
>>748995305So there's like 20 AI shill threads saying how you can make your dream game in a day now with AI... so where's all these AI games then?Shouldn't there be at least hundreds of AI games being released every day with this awesome tech that can do everything?
hopefully the death of the video game industry in the next 3 months
>>748996489The meta was to have a whitelist of publishers and devs who don't make slop, which was already a necessity since the first impact when the Unity Asset Store was created.
>>748996682We are 2 weeks close to you being able to make AAA games with a single prompt. You don't fucking know what's coming... you better be prepared...
>>748995305Bow down to the supreme leader
>>748996682Just look at the google play store nigga
>uuuuh hey, I like spider man but I also like batman>can you make a game that's what if you both together whilst they play at the same in eachother
>>748996682right now the ais can only make the ai dream game 4chan threads of your dreams, but in two weeks you'll be able to make the game too most likely
claude is a whiny bitch and won't let you make anything funGLM5 is a funloving chad that will do anything you want as long as you tell it it's allowed, but unfortunately it's still kinda dumb so you need to hold it's hand a lot>>748996682there are, they're just all shovelware shit because it still takes ~hundreds of hours of human work to make an actually good game. Think of it like having infinite junior devs and interns, the part of gamedev where you actually type code is basically entirely automated but that was only ever ~50% of the job at most anyway and generally not the part of the project that determines whether a game is good or not. >>7489967942 years ago people were saying "In 2 years AI will be good enough to make simple games entirely on its own" and there were jokes about "just 2 more weeks, 2 more weks", now 2 years later it is and there's a tidal wave of slop and those same people won't stop crying about it, but in the same breath still make the same "2 more weeks, just 2 more weeks" jokes when people say "In 2 years AI will be good enough to make big complex games entirely on its own"Hate AI all you want, there's a lot of valid reasons to, but god damn most AI haters are just fundamentally detached from reality. Entirely vibes based understanding of the world, ironically.
>>748996401Not him but a lot of people like to talk about how games are ruined by the "woke SJWs" or jews so presumably with AI people can develop anti-jewish unwoke games without being beholden to moneyed interests.
>>748995770why repost the fake tweet?
>>748997037
>>748997037he implemented it wrong but now youre going to spam this clip 200 times and generalize it all
Give me some (non-porn) ideas to feed ClaudeI want some infinite web-based rogue-lite action I can pull up on my phone anytime and play for a bitWas thinking of merging all MMBN games into one ultimate compilation that can generate infinite content and quests to exploreOr just a port of Dragon's Crown
>>748997119But can't AI make animations, 3D models, textures and UV mapping as well?
>>748995474and so what you don't have any talent?
I've been using Opus 5.5 to beat world record TASes in games
>>748996401because its a waste of time and money?
>>748997119>In 2 years AI will be good enough to make big complex games entirely on its ownIt already can and always could. The issue is that it needs to have a source code of already made games. If you want to create something unique it won't be able to. The same way Suno AI can't make new genres of music or AI art needs you to list artists. It's all derivative.The best indie devs are the ones that are fucked in the head and have weird ass ideas, they don't benefit much from that.
>>748996682Why post them / where? Its like seeing ai images. You have a containment thread but most people get mad any time you post yours.
>>748997164Slop is as slop will.AI exists to deceive and steal, it's done nothing to improve anyones lives except the company owners and shareholderIt's morally right to burn down your local datacentre
>>748996734Which clearly isn't working because the meta is deny all accusations even when the truth comes out. So it's just people spreading diseases to the clean.
>>748997221Well since AI is just a tool, that's fine, right? Is an AI tool somehow against the rules for TAS?
>>748996682because game development is actually about sitting down and deciding how 10,000 little parts should work.even with AI wiriting the code most people are too lazy to do this.I use AI for development but most of my time is spent talking through with colleagues how things should work and what mechanics should be while the AI sits there.Even if AI was perfect at making games it can't read your mind, so if you say "Hey Claude make me a game" it will make a bunch of decisions that you wouldn't have made.to actually make a good game someone has to spend a lot of time in a text file and spreadsheet planning.
>>748996682>so where's all these AI games then?
>>748997428It also sucks how it always takes the path of least resistance if you aren't super specific. That shit pisses me off a lot.
>>748995474the only reason this is a problem at all is because games journalism is a smoking crater of identity politics and fag pandering socialists try to min/max their bachelors in general studies. if there were gamers out there sorting through the shitpile to give us the goods we want it would be a lot easier; this is not the case and any independent games journalist just becomes a politically motivated grifter serving up slop for ad revenue, a corporation plant and in some cases both.
>>748997130There was a reason why there weren't any anti-woke games before AI, and it wasn't just being blocked off from entering the industry, as indies always existed
>>748997428Yea ai doesn't replace design just work. Its like if someone gave you a servant you could tell him to just do whatever (slop) or you could actually direct him to make something good. Way different from just writing a single prompt, though its not exactly harder.
>>748997504>"AI CAN MAKE ANY VIDEOGAME BRO!">makes generic golf videogame
>>748997519You can fix that with doc files. Or loras if you're local.
>>748997504ohnonononoYou can tell it's plagiarised wii sports.There is not a single reason to play and AI game when you have the original title it copied. Every single time.
>>748997404It's just funny that I'm beating them and finding new techniques on games that I have never played. I literally just told it to put the rom in an emulator and do a bunch of tests
>>748997668director issue
>>748997668generic golf video game is in the category of "any video game"
>>748997519yeah, I can say something like "we need to add support for this new mechanic"and AI will go "oh we can just stick yet another field on this class to hold that state"but I, a developer, know that repeatedly adding arbitrary state to this class is retarded and will make everything harder forever, so I say "no we need to think about this in regards to hundreds of new mechanics we're gonna eventually add" and I basically have to spell out to it we need a more robust solution.I was talking to someone on HN about this who works in some AI company, but it's something to do with the training in that it's a preference for changing less code, they were trained to make surgical changes because people were getting mad they were re-writing whole sections of codebase for no reason.
>>748997820okay but if you can make anything why would you make a generic golf videogame and not something more interesting to showcase what the AI can actually do?
>>748997763tbf speedrunning is just a really monotonous tedious task of repetition in a closed environment, AI should excel at this. A custom RL model could probably process game states fast enough that it wouldn't even have to go frame by frameSpeedrunning is exactly the kind of soul sucking monotonous labor that AI ought to be freeing mankind from.
Can i see those amazing games made in a day?
>>748995578kek
>>748997763Any examples? I'm curious what did the ai find?
>>748995305what is this pic? It looks like a butthole
>>748997757cris finally made his game?
>>748997983Like everything AI related, it's all a fucking larp.
>>748997987it's kiki
>>748995305Well, it's been a day and nothing happened...
>>748997849You can literally sit down in one day (1 hour) and write out (have llm write up) a bunch of not only prompts but just reusable documents that could make it more ambitious or elaborate.
>>748995305I'm of 2 minds. It's fun to fuck around with it. Like just having an idea, asking claude if it's feasible, then just do it. But I have no will to ever sell anything I make with it since if I can do it anyone else could. Same with buying something made with it.
>>748997587>if there were gamers out there sorting through the shitpileThe shitpile is already big enough to be impossible to wade through and it's only going to get much worse from there.
>>748998064Become the ultimate idea guy! You'll never create anything, but you can pretend harder than ever that someday you might!
>>748995557Turns out, ideas guys need to have some level of creativity to actually make worthwhile shit and not some faggot with a computer
>>748997902>A custom RL model could probably process game states fast enough that it wouldn't even have to go frame by frameI got it to extract the Super Metroid disassembly and run it on my GPU and I'm processing about 50 million frames a second
>>748995305The only "jaw dropping" stuff that AI helped me for was when I had made a lot of shaders and VFX in AE and I wanted AI to remake them in Unity as shaders. It did it not perfectly but 80-90% fidelity, took 3 tries, cost like 15 bucks.
>>748995474been waiting on those creative video games made by talented individuals. any day now.
>>748995474>a bajillion derivative dogshit clonesThat's what the industry has been before AI
>>748997886You're asking the wrong questions anon. Humans can also make anything, yet we also tend to make generic video games. See: sonyslop, rogue-likeslop, friendslop etc and every now and then something interesting will come along.AI is just a tool in that process and is now just capable of making games that humans can make. Most of it is going to be generic slop, like humans would make, and its just a matter of time until someone with an interesting idea comes along and can then make it, like a human would.
>>748998064you're telling me this like I don't know exactly how these things work.they're inconsistent (by design) sometimes it writes too little, sometimes too much, sometimes it sees a high level method that just does order of operations for a bunch of mechanics and it dumps a new mechanic in the middle of it.you cant fix all this with AGENTS.md because you'd have to know every way in which is could fuck up.or you could just go full vibe code and not care that it's a mess underneath, which is where things are headed so maybe im just wrong.
You can't make a good game of jks peeing because there is no good training data.
>>748998249Now have it generate a summoning salt video about each of its attempts and how it finally achieved the world record.
>>748998327that's some good ass pilpul right there
I imagine trying to make anything with real story or interactable is going to be horrendously painful and not something you can easily overcome if at all because of the intricacy, placement, and actual story/text/etc involved. Compared to just slopping together general gameplay itself.
I've only used AI to troubleshoot PC issues and largely ignored it beyond that. It's just a search engine that talks back to me.How do I use it in a way that ACTUALLY helps improve your life? I'm sure there's specific use cases, but for the average Joe? I'm not so sure. Do you guys use it?With all this tax money is wasted on it, I figure I may as well.
>>748998183effort has always been the problem, if an ideas guy has the right flavor of ADHD and can sit there for months tweaking every detail then something of at least acceptable quality will come out the other end.the "1 prompt a whole game" people will never make a good game because it's not a technology problem, it's a vision to execution problem and they cant be bothered communicating their vision.
>>748998464I'm not sure myself, I've just started studying CS and use AI there a bit (because sadly its expected). But before that I never used AI at all. I know boomers in my country is obsessed over it, because they think it's magic or something.But I donno how people can say stuff like "I can't survive without AI now it does 90% of my work!" crap I see all the time.
Do it.Spend a day trying to make a game you would actually want to play, and spend more than 20 dollars on.
>>748998464I ask it to help me find info on videogame stuff and after six attempts of asking it to source correct info instead of doing a creative writing exercise with fake information I give up and look for it myself
>>748997130>llm which was trained off of woke Reddit shit>somehow going to make anti-woke shitlol lmao
>>748998464It does make search engine stuff somewhat easier when it's not blatantly lying to your fucking face.
>>748998643best they can do is the 200th clone of meccha chameleon trying to cash into the fotm
>>748998749>search engine stuff>it's just regurgitating reddit posts at you
>>748997189technically yes but there's still a pretty long way to go before they're good enough to just make all the content for a game, especially a complex 3D game and have it be any good. My info might be outdated since they do improve ridiculously fast, but even for the stuff it can do if you don't want just slop you still have to do a lot of manual guidance, like if you're working with a particularly unimaginative freelance artist. >>748997285it definitely could not "always," only the latest couple SotA model generations are capable enough to actually put together a functioning 3D game with any significant complexity, and they're still pretty crap and badly designed and put together at least as far as I've ever seen. But this time last year they weren't even close to being able to just be told a rough concept description and then do everything on their own and come back a couple hours later with a functioning if slop as fuck game that matches it. As models improve they do seem to get better at fuzzy hard to define and measure stuff like "creativity" and "clarity of understanding," you're right about the idea being important but I do think those people that just get the weird idea and want to make something can benefit a lot from AIs, especially if they continue to improve at those fuzzy capabilities. They aren't just copying shit from their training data, they can program novel shit as long as you can define it well enough, just like a human programmer would. Again think of it like having an infinite amount of interns you can throw at the problem. They're probably not going to make any particularly interesting decisions about what the game should be or how stuff should work on its own, but if you can give a clear mechanical description and then maybe go back and forth a few times tuning shit I think "Insane guy with a weird ass idea" is the person that stands to benefit most from this shit. 95% of those guys can't code and never make it past the prototype.
>>748998715Even if a model is woke there's nothing stopping someone from making a normal game then manually renaming stuff from "shotgun_2" to "niggerkiller9000"
>>748998823Yeah reddit shit without having to look at reddit, or some other forum stuff.
>>748995578>feces analogyGet better material.
>>748998464There's this travel router I want to buy but its sold out in my country. I have an ai program (gay trendy one) that ive told it to check every morning for stock at major retailers. Every morning it checks, it gives me a report of what it found. Usually it finds its still out of stock everyday, which was useful and one day it even found ebay listings of it online but remarked that it was way overpriced. I thought that was really cool.
>>748998918look at the logohow is that not a butthole?
>>748995578At least it's not coming out of anuses of people whose political opinions don't align with mine! I'm so glad they'll be put out of work by machines after they wasted years training their ass muscles.
>>748995578
I wish 4chan could just ban or limit AI threads to 1 per board. I'm not even anti AI I just don't want every thread on every board to be an AI thread the way they are now.
So wait. Why doesn’t google just use the llm technology and instead of making google an ai just put it into the mechanism of searching shit thus making google search not retarded? It could literally be an llm crawler that’ll find your answer and organize it in links like regular search, tf
>>748999096Tech companies are 100% paying hiromoot to shill here. Like remember the image generation general that stayed up 24/7 for years despite having NOTHING to do with vidya?
>>748999140It is open knowledge because of discovery from court records that google wants google search to be bad because it allows them to show more ads. Right now that's offset by investment money into forcing AI adoption, but rest assured that will be ad riddled soon as well, to get your gemini summary you'll have to take a little quiz on what benefits the new Tide pods offer, or sift through 3 pages of intentionally shitty search results.
>>748999058All AI companies use buttholes it's a conspiracy
>>748995305It's funny how many people suddenly buy into the cubic zirconia vs. diamond argument with regards to AI>It's not authentic unless someone literally slaved for months over it!
>>748999382Nobody would give a fuck if someone made generic golf game#2521351. Why would I care if AI makes one?
>>748996098>I want to be able to FORCE you to play games with woke elements.
>>748995305>thatll be 59.99 plus tax to spend a month making a single shitty gameclaude fucking sucks at making art assets too. you could ask a preschooler to make better art
>>748999382I agree, it's a weak argument. But a real argument is that people that actually cared put work into things. The 'good' AI games aren't going to be 1 shot equivalents of asset flips, they'll be actually good and have time put into them (just not as much time as it would take without AI), and they'll be few and far between.The downside is that you will get an ungodly amount of slop from people who don't care at all.
>>748995305>You can let Claude make your game>It’s not going to be what you want thoughI can’t rely on it. It’s all generated boilerplate shit anyways. It doesn’t have the same vision I want. If infrastructure is your biggest obstacle so far, then stop gooning and appreciate the grind. You’ll never move up from beginner if you never complete your projects.Using AI too much is going to make independence next to near impossible if you never studied Computer Science.
>>748998823it's pretty good.last night I asked it to get me the Ashley Graham sliders for dragons dogma 2, it didn't because the best ones aren't public but I was pretty impressed at what it did.it found all the popular posts/videos across like 30 (international) websites/forums and then chased up the players on twitter and bilibili and everything else, it ran a bunch of scripts I guess comparing all the sliders it could find to see what was common or not.all in all it was doing shit for a full ~7 minutes before it came back with "here's the best I can do"like it replaced what I would have done if I was autistic and wanted to spend 6 hours researching myself.
>>748999495What did anon mean by this post?
I feel like AI really has shined a light on how the average person is just creatively bankrupt? When you got something that skips 80% of the process then...that doesn't really leave you a lot of time to refine and change your ideas.
>>748995305it's FINALLY time for idea guys to shine!
I'm so confused. You promised me normies would love endless and infinite slop. You said video games would all go away because of AI and that everyone who said they weren't interested would be left behind. And you said that just like with Stadia thanks to Google's might there would be no stopping them. What happened? Is it really not a viable business model to force something customers aren't interested in upon them?
