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Steam has a new achievement system.
'cheevo chads won.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/710037059469839141
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Achievements are now sorted into sets. DLC you don't own no longer counts towards achievement progress, and developers can archive achievements that are no longer attainable.
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>>749765501
Literally who fucking cares, you really need pixels to show off your previous pixels? Who gives a single fuck about this stuff?
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>>749765501
Oh thank god, another steam feature I can ignore. Keep on winning cheevo hunters! You'll 100% every game one day!
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>>749765665
Me. I care.
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>>749765678
So nobody, got it.
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>splitting multiplayer and single player achievements
Fucking finally.
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>>749765665
me
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If you don't care about cheevos you are a fake gamer. FACT!!!
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>>749765665
Timmy getting mad that Valve continues to add even more features to Steam.
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>>749765665
>>749765678
I care.
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>>749765825
Not giving a shit about achievements =/= hating on steam, sorry you've got Gabe's cock so far up your ass it's affected the way you interpret English.
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>>749765665
why even play games, it's just pixels moving
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>Epic vibecodes their launcher and removes features
>Valve improves their launcher, adds new features, and improves existing ones
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>Almost all achievements are boring “complete x part of game” achievements you were already going to do by naturally playing the game anyway
Post actual good and fun steam achievements to get
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>>749765501
Huh that's actually a pretty good addition, I wonder how many devs will bother adding them to their older games tho
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>>749766076
Funny part to me is Epic took their own store for shit like the actual unreal engine and just never added a cart
It was there, they just refused to add a basic feature. Kind of shows on Epic all over these days.
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>>749766039
Cause it's fun. Conversely, there is nothing fun about filling out your gold star sticker sheet unless you're a retarded child.
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>>749766078
Stuffing the drop pod with every single barrel in the space rig in Deep Rock Galactic.
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THEY TOOK AWAY THE COMPLETION PERCENTAGE WTF!! THIS IS LIKE A SECOND HOLOCAUST. I HAD OVER 75% COMPLETION!!!
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>>749765501
Tim's got 'em reeling
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>>749765665
me cuz I'm acoustic
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>>749766174
no they didnt retard
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I remember the last achievement I went for was crushing 20 people in a house in bad company 2 and it was nightmarish, never grinded for achievements after that
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>>749766078
I will take those over any "Do 100,000 kills / Have 100,000 matches"

>>749766149
That was absolute aids
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>>749766138
>Cause it's fun
sounds gay
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>>749766216
You'd get that eventually just by playing the game.
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>>749765501
that's nice
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>>749766214
Not him but yes they did?
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>>749766241
A hungry man thinks of food
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>>749765665
>>749765676
>>749765715
>>749766008
Ingrates.
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>>749766214
on the showcase it only says number of cheevos and number of completed games. it used to say the completion percentage too. fuck this im team timmy now.
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>>749766275
>>749766286
>showcases
oh so shit that doesn't matter. gotcha
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does this mean the achievement unlocker doesn't work anymore
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>>749766219
Man, fuck that shit.
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>>749765501
i keep my account private so everyone can seethe on the forums because they can't see my steam level when I shitpost
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>>749766262
You know damn well it doesnt
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>>749765665
They're fun. Don't you like fun? Collecting cheevos is fun and fun things are fun. Pic related, I mastered all PS2 ratchet games and got fun little icons so I can have fun looking at them.
fun________________________
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>>749766360
Seems it has become samantha
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>>749766174
>>749766214
wow they ruined it
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>>749766405
Are you retarded? Destroying buildings with C4 and tanks was completely normal.
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>>749766360
it doesn't change anything about the functionality of how they work so it would still work
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>>749765501
How about you stop steam from running off Chromium fucking bitches.
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>>749766408
Yes I like fun. That's why I played the game for the fact that it was fun and not for retarded images.
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>>749765665
Gives me a reason to explore content I'd probably never explore otherwise. Also allows me to dunk on the many argumentative retards on /v/ with hard evidence.
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>>749766452
This is probably a good thing because I'm autistic and would avoid playing some games if it would make my percentage go down. Like Payday 2 I got for free and it has 6 million achievements.
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>>749766408
Saying something doesn't make it true, even if you repeat yourself. Classic tranny behavior.
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>>749766614
why does it have so many goddamn achievements? nobody needs that many achievements
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>>749766548
>reason
The reason should be it's fun to play and you want to do it
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>>749766548
Steam achievements are easy to fake. Real cheavo whores go after Platinum trophies on PlayStation.
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>>749766548
Everytime someone uses achievements as proof in a post I just accuse them of using SAM and faking the achievements, literally unprovable.
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>>749766546
>Yes I like fun.
And yet you're just rushing through the game instead of squeezing every possible amount of fun from it. Curious.

>and not for retarded images.
Sounds like sour grapes to me tranny. Enjoy being an iconlet.
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>>749765501
>DLC you don't own no longer counts towards achievement progress
YAHOOOOO

.....Wait does this means that unless steam has the recepiet of the buy data I won't be able to get the paradox cheevos?
I remember I once added dlc w/ creampie and got a few dlc chevos in ironman. shieeeet
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>>749766285
Look man, I stopped caring for video game achievements when I realized I was trying to rush through an avatar game on the 360 way back when it was the console of choice. The empathy just dawned on me and I just stopped caring. I'll say that some achievements are fun to get but I simply don't care for them the be happy about whatever system tracker is made or reinvented. I just want to have fun playing my games.
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>>749766389
What's the worst "kill x achievement"? I wonder how long this would take.
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Don't really care for cheevos but I'm glad they exist even if they are misused.
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Dont care

Does SAM still work?
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>>749766078
I like ones that require you to beat a boss in non-standard ways like not using the ability that counters them or beating them significantly earlier than you should
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>>749765579
>archive achievements
How about not locking people out of content
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Faggots hate achievements because it exposes the fact that they don't actually play video games.
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this update broke the wishlist lmao
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>>749766715
Collecting the golden butt plug for the golden sticker just makes you gay anon, you don't need to justify it to us.
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GABEN JUST ADD A "RESET X GAME'S CHEEVOS" I LIKE TO 100% DESU EX EVERY SUMMER SOLSTICE
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>>749765501
HE
FUCKING
WON
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>>749766138
>beating a level is fun
>collecting a thing that shows you beat that level: EWWWW WHAT THE FUCK WHAT BABY WANTS THIS RETARDED SHIT
what is your damage dude
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>>749766715
>And yet you're just rushing through the game
So we've established you have to desperately make assumptions about me in order to make an argument.

The most interesting stuff to spend time with in a game are things that devs didn't attach achievements to by the way. In the end your just doing the stuff that's so boring and predictable the developers literally predicted you'd do it.
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>>749765501
that is fucking ass cancer
>>749766881
can't you already to that with SAM?
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>get 100% achi
>think ure done and can shelve it
>game gets new dlc
>have to buy it and play it to maintain TRVE 100%
>this will continue forever; for every game you thought you achievofagged already and you thought you were off the hook theres always the threat of new content coming out and ruining everything
>Sisyphus needs to keep rolling that stone up
>hamster running in his cage forever
Cheevofags on sucidewatch
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>>749766878
>2026
>he still can't collect the golden butt plug
I bet that you also use summons in Dark Souls
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>>749765501
Can we get an optional streamlined Steam client to remove all this bloat garbage instead of having to use unofficial clients?
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>>749766936
>can't you already to that with SAM?
Yeah but I don't want to use sam.
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>>749766907
It's just a participation award you mongoloid, those are for retards.
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I just want a new system where I can own my games
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>>749766720
I refunded MW3 and it doesn't show the DLC as owned or effect your 100% but you can see the achievements you unlocked. I'm guessing it will work the same way.
This would only be if the devs bother to manually mark the DLC as seperate from the base game though which probably won't happen with older games that aren't maintained any more.
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>>749766902
Boy with nerd glasses and braces I...i-i Kneel.....
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>split singleplayer and multiplayer achievements
Damn, that's something I've wanted since the X360 days. Hopefully devs actually opt-in with this stupid shit and split the lists for old, dead games like Binary Domain which has probably never had a legit online match going that wasn't used for achievement boosting lol
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>>749766793
How about a max level achievement that takes 80 hours of grueling grinding?
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>seasonal achevements

LMAOOOOO WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS VALVE YOU GOD DAMN KIKES
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>>749767024
That already exist you retarded tendie nigger, it's called piracy
>b-b-b-bbut i need muh plastic case
Then ask publishers to release the game on a fucking plastic case. PC is an open platform, devs can literally sell you a game in any way they desire. Hell, Japan is so fucking backwards that it wouldn't surprise me that some indie devs still sell their games on disc during conventions.
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>>749765501
>Yet another overhaul which will forever leave shitty remnants of what once was across the forums.
Hurts my soul when I see the old awards now
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>>749767131
Just use cheat engine at that point lmao
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[pEdoRIC has entered the thread. Please make sure any male pets aren't out of their homes]
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If I enjoy the game I will see what the achievements are about, but I don't play to complete achievements.
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>>749766938
no its the opposite now. dlc doesn't count towards 100% unless you buy it.
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>>749767136
Those literally already existed but now you get to just filter them out as not needed for completion instead of being cucked by them.
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>>749766938
Isn't this the exact opposite of that situation? Before if a game got DLC with new achievements it would take away your 100% because they'd be added to a single list. Now that there are sets you'll always have your original 100% and the new set is separate.
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>>749766954
I don't play Japanese games, nips are not a trustworthy source of jingling keys.
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>>749765501
>Seasonal Achievements
Aww fuck off. Nobody wants achievements tied to an irl time limit. Creating this category only incentivizes more of this shit
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>>749767164
Piracy isn't ownership silly, piracy is the solution to not being able to own what you buy.
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>>749766674
>don't even know about thing until i see there is an achievement for it
Yes, I agree. I also think the idea that achievements somehow prevent this is extremely misguided.

>>749766691
>>749766693
Damn. That's pretty lame.

Can they also alter their play time as well? I mean, I guess you could just shoop it pretty easily if you were genuinely determined to manufacture a lie about your knowledge/experience with a game.

Ah well, faggots gonna fag I guess. I also think cheevos are a pretty convenient way to keep track of your progression throughout a game. Though I suppose the kind of cretin who would actually fake their goddamn videogame achievements would also not see the utility in that.
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>>749767297
>claims that he plays games for fun
>doesn't play japanese games
Curious indeed
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>>749765665
A lot of people as you've found out.
More importantly, the "dlc adds achivement" shit is a dark pattern they use to coax you into buying shit you might not othewise. You complete a game's achivements, got 100%, great! But wait! We just added this shit, now you're not 100% anymore. Better buy it and catch up!
Steam's telling those faggots to fuck the hell off with that shit. That's a good thing.
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>>749766842
its for those 'meet a developer in a multiplayer match' ones on a 15 year old game which no dev plays any more.
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>>749765501
Filthy Rio Grand wetbacks.
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>>749766793
>>749767131
killing a million robots in mvm would take thousands of hours.
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>>749767340
>I don't own this pirated copy of this game that I bought because.............. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
k
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>>749766842
I mean, stop killing games had a solution for 90% of the causes for that, but you screamed about it and begged mommy EU to save you from them.
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>>749767361
I don't have enough estrogen in my system to find Nintendo or Sony games enjoyable, I'm sorry anon.
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>>749765501
Sony going to lost their mind when they learn what they have to do to fight on the full digital market
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>>749767369
And on the other hand some devs will specifically not add dlc achievements because of this pushback like deep rock survivor and then probably see lower sales because so many do care about achievements. Seems like this is a win win
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>>749767431
>I don't own this pirated copy of this game that I bought because of the first sale docterine not protecting digital media. This is a researchable fact.
Hope this helps.
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>>749767459
>begged mommy EU to save you from them.
You SKGtrannies are the ones who bitched at the government to regulate video games. Now private servers are going to be made illegal thanks to ID verification mandates and I can only rejoice.
I hope you commies have learned your lesson.
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>>749766793
>>749767425
These kind of cheevoes should only be allowed if there is some sort of +200 player/npcs modes within 10 mins otherwise they are just "let's see how many of our players are NEETs"
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>>749767472
That's good, you're manly enough to play Touhou Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom then.
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>>749766881
You can already do that with Steam's console commands.
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>>749765501
Meh, it's just separating them into sets.
I still wish they would put more of an incentive to get them, like remove the trading card system entirely and turn their rewards into achievement unlocks instead.
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>>749767558
>EU pushes another fascist right wing law
>muh commies
I knew MIGAs were retarded but wow
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>>749767558
>goverment bad!
>publishers lobbied and fought tooth and nail to deny people ownership of their games
>ID verification laws were drafted at the behest of multi-billion dollar corporations and not a single citizen asked for them
>publishers are all on board with age verification because it means they'll get to hoover up more data to sell while dodging fines when minors are detected on their platform
least jewish poster ITT
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So when is my Lies of P going to show up as completed? I haven't gotten the DLC but have gotten all the base game achievements.
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>>749767558
The one who rejoices over communism is the commie.
That means you.
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I wonder if this will break the detection those achievement purists used to see if someone cheated an achievement with SAM
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>>749767546
It's literally in my possession, with all of its niggardly network functionality disabled. What else does ownership entail?
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not even kids get excited about virtual trophies & I know a few kids—steamcucks are a prolapsed Bahranian ass vomit
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>>749766793
In Genshin impact, there’s an achievement for harvesting 800 plants out of the garden in this stupid irrelevant “player’s house” area where it takes 3 real-world days to grow 4 plants. I’ve never heard of a higher time commitment achievement than that. It’s honestly demented.
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>>749767691
>& I know a few kids
I bet you do GOGophile
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>>749767659
That would require the devs caring enough to go back and add the set retroactively. There's nothing forcing them to since they don't support the game anymore. This applies to like 99% of games this would be an actual issue for.
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>>749767574
Yeah that looks like something a person without a proper father figure would play
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>>749766938
FUCK YOU EDMUND
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>>749766664
they add new ones with every update and there's A LOT of updates
I think Payday 2 might be the only game with 1000+ achievements that's not an achievement spam game
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>>749767558
Age verification is government regulation targeting video games. Aren't you corpo shills supposed to be mad about it?
Oh right, government intervention is ok when it benefits you
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>>749767369
>three retards samefagging
>LOTS OF PEOPLE
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>>749767679
I can teach people who are unwilling to learn. Sorry champ.
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>>749765665
I use achievements for games I really like as a way of seeing all the content the developers think it’s worth seeing for a complete experience. Pretty regularly there’s something I would never have encountered if it didn’t have an achievement attached to it, especially with RPGs with a lot of branching paths.
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>>749767849
Oh you can? Good, I'll wait.
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>>749767849
*'t
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>>749765501
I thought no one gave a shit about Steam achievements because of steam achievement manager? Hell, Valve themselves don't do anything to anyone who uses that. Unless they recently made SAM unable to be used, then Steam achievements will continue to be ignored.
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>>749765501
*unlocks them all with the click of button*
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>>749767635
"right wing" does not exist in the EU
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>>749767938
How does you shitting your pants effect my unshitted pants?
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I'm bit confused over brand loyalty. On the last thread there was someone insisting I was a steam fanboy for making fun of epic, and someone else insisting I was a "self-hating steamie" because I grew up with Steam and don't like Gabe Newell
I think its fun to be excited for video games and be fan of some studios, but anons should tone it down a bit. Nonnies are being sillier and sillier every week.
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>>749766408
based for playing r&c
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>>749767992
You cannot prove you didn't shit your pants in this scenario.
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>>749766076
>Valve improves their launcher
>improves existing ones
good morning sir
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>>749765665
I give myself all the achievements using a tool just to give spergs melties
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>>749765501
>>749765665

Zoomers obsession with achievements is pure mental illness.

Involved involved in retro achievements on /vr/ is a literal tranny
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>>749768063
This is correct, undeniably so.

As such, we will resort to logic instead. What reason could a man have for lying about not unlocking all the achievements at the click of a button?
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>Singleplayer cheevos can now be safely separated from unattainable multiplayer achievements and still count for 100%
Nice
>>749766174
This sucks though. I DID have some games with low cheevo counts that I'd NEVER fully complete and I was making the average higher slowly by playing more vidya and it was nice seeing it going up, I was nearing 80%.
I care less about the amount of sets completed vs how near to totally complete my library is.
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>>749767360
No one gives a shit about steam playtime, you gotta show an in-game stat tracker for actual active time played. I've got like 2000+ hours in wt but only half of that is actually in game playtime, the rest is just queued in the lobby or looking at tech trees while talking about them with friends.
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>>749768063
There is nothing to "prove", you retarded troglodyte.
You can unlock all your achievements with a click of a tool, just like I can download a shared 100% completed save of any game released.
All you've managed to do is ruin your own fun by skipping over the playing it part. And it affects nobody else who intends to actually enjoy it
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>>749766174
I had 98%
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>>749768083
Cry about it, pirate.
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>>749768190
Shame, I suppose. These are people who think achievements are worth giving a shit about, remember.
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It would be nice if they combined the point shop with achievements, with exclusive stuff for playing the game.
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>>749768335
i bet this guy is seething
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>>749768301
If there's nothing to prove then why care about the achievements at all lol
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:sunbeam: :moonbeam:
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>>749767024
Same it just feels bad that everyone else gets to own their games but us
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>>749768423
>why care about unlocking a new level if there's nothing to prove
>why care about unlocking a new character if there's nothing to prove
>why care about unlocking a new ability if there's nothing to prove
>why care about unlocking a new achievement if there's nothing to prove
What? Are you mentally retarded or something?
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>>749767340
>game dumps aren't ownership
How many times were you dropped on your head as a kid
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>>749767715
I only check the garden passively. But it probably isn't that bad since there are plants you need for characters that let you harvest 3-4 at once from 1 plot. And you can have up to 24 plots for planting. You can around 70-90 at once depending on what you plant.
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>>749765665
>finish game i really enjoyed
>want to squeeze more out of it
>do achievement shit, see optional shit i missed
>somehow this a bad thing
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its ogre
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>>749768525
All but the achievements you listed in your greentexts are actually in game, hope that helps.
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>>749768525
>Surely metaphor will save this diatribe of mine!
All but one of those are actual progression in a game, the achievement is literally just a participation award on top of the real reward, which is to beat the level, to progress, to overcome whatever challenge the game set out for you. Having a gay little gold star sticker doesn't change that either way. Which is why it's gay and not worth paying attention to.
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>>749768551
>In order to have fun I must only do what the devs want me to do.
Do goyim really?
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THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
>THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
>THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
>THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
>THEY REMOVED THE TF2 BUGGED YOUTUBE ACHIEVEMENTS
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>>749768667
>All but one of those are actual progression in a game
>achievements tied to story progression and finishing the game are literally not progression-related
All you had to do was type "Yes, I am in fact mentally retarded" instead of making me read all that useless garbage and having to come to that conclusion myself
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>>749768536
That would be correct. Game dumps aren't ownership. Illegal game dumps are not licensed, legal game dumps are authorised, but still not licensed. Neither qualifies as ownership. You can double check this information for factual accuracy on your own time.
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>>749768714
Where did I say that?
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>>749768716
you can probably still use SAM to unlock them and get the cosmetic
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>>749765501
Seasonal Achievements
We are also introducing the ability for game developers to archive individual achievements or entire Achievement Sets. We think there are a lot of fun ways games can take advantage of the temporary nature this can add, such as adding achievements to season-based games or enabling time-limited holiday achievements.

this will be kino if ggg adds this to poe
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>>749767459
oh i am sure that the EU will gaming for good...
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>>749766076
>epic boast about faster start up on twitter (and straight up says they vibecoded it)
>steam silently drops an update to improve start up speed like 2 hours later to btfo them
it was kino but realistically it was just a funny coincidence
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>>749765501
PSN may have the worst system now, at least when Xbox adds mythics
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>>749768714
When I want to squeeze more fun out of something, I find new ways to enjoy it. I don't look at the devs recommended list of ways to waste time. Games were enjoyable before achievements, and hidden content not being attached to a little merit badge helped it stay hidden.
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>>749765501
This is genuinely AWFUL. Wtf are they thinking?
I HATE the bright neon blue and purple colors for the bars, they all have that retarded minimalist look to them and completely destroy any look you might have tried giving to your profile.

It's way too distracting, and the fact the widened up the page for achievements and grouped them in DLC shit as well now just makes it seem even more needlessly complicated. Just give me one big list of everything and I'll look it up for myself.

I've seen retards say that this is somehow what they've been waiting for and that it's somehow going to bring more people into achievement hunting but this has done nothing but the complete opposite for me, I don't think I even want to go out of my way to get achievements at this point for anything anymore, and I don't think I want to have anything with achievements displayed on my profile for too long either.

I'll most likely just end up launching a bunch of random shit up with no achievements every once in a while to flush this new, eye raping achievement layout out from my "Recent Activity" list.
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>>749766902
i look like this and i say this
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>>749768406
>damn I love achievements
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT WHERE THEY ARE ACTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS THAT REQUIRE SKILL YOU CAN'T DO THAT
xD
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>>749768765
You could progress through the story just the same without the achievement system. It adds nothing. It's not "tied" to the story progression. It's tacked on bullshit, jingling keys for retards. If you pirate a game and play it without achievements, the story is the exact same.
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>>749765665
If you don't care, why are you screaming about this on mongolian basket weaving forum?
Feels like you kinda care about this.
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will this update make SAM unusable?
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>>749768369
I can agree with this. If avoiding shame is the primary motivator for lying, then I believe this indicates that the man in question feels that his dignity is in peril. We can therefore infer that the man in question greatly values his dignity.

However, this leads to something of a paradox. Why would a man who values his dignity enough to craft elaborate lies to preserve it when it is threatened also put himself in an even worse position by gambling on successful trickery?
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>>749765579
So will they?
Like for instance the developer Valve Software archive the TF2 achievements for uploading edited captures to YouTube since one community server has captures enabled still, no one knows how or where to use the editor, and the upload and view track features have been broken since ancient times?
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>>749769336
>>749768716
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>>749769327
Again, we're talking about people stupid enough to think steam achievements matter.
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>>749769297
yeah, it will actually give you a ban now
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>>749765501
I'm not some achievement hunter fag but devs shouldn't be allowed to add new achievements. It's so fucking stupid how many achievements Isaac has
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>>749769297
Nobody cares enough to block cheevo cheaters. I'm not sure why you want to cheat on a valueless checklist in the first place.
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>>749769513
why, to make tryhards seethe of course.
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>>749769407
So your argument boils down to:
>They lie because they are stupid
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>>749769462
Don't they use them as as backup save restoration method
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>>749767635
The far radical fascist right wing Europeans...
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>>749765665
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>>749765501
Anyone here as hardcore as me? Yep, I don't mess around, I clear shit.
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>>749765501
>open SAM
>get any achievement i want
>save and close
Yawn
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>>749765501
I actually unironically care about this because a dev of a game I love tied progression to cheevos and he did a stupid thing where you need to do 5 "different" mission for 5 "different" cheevos that give you 5 "different" bonuses but it's actually the same mission with the same bonus but they all apply to different enemies. I was going to make a forum post asking for them to be merged so it's not bloated shit, but I realized that couldn't be done since you can't remove a cheevo, and since now you can, maybe the developer will consider redesigning those stupid 5 missions.
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>>749769393
Well I'll be fucked in the ass they did something
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>>749769789
I am the most, MOST hardcore. I have no proof of this, as none exists. You must simply take my word for it.
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>>749769624
any cheevo hunter that has played a game can tell if you cheated a hard achievement in said game with SAM, because most of the time people don't bother to make the completion date believable, like beating 2 levels in a row in a span of a few seconds
also, nowadays it's pretty common for players to post a screenshot/video of them completing the real hard ones
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>>749767131
>>749767183
How about an alway online where the server can lag and kill you at any moment, and you have to grind 999 hours in perma death mode to reach lvl max ?
aren't you entertained ?
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>>749769789
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>>749769745
Microsoft won. Now everybody is that kid.
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>steamies would rather have cheevos than game ownership
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>>749769642
I won't pretend to understand the minds of idiots, or liars. Also, wasn't really arguing with you. You cannot prove the legitimacy of your steam achievements, unless you're literally going to record every moment of gameplay leading up to the achievement. And while I will concede that is totally an option, who in their right mind gives that much of a fuck about achievements?

In all seriousness, stupid people tend to lack the foresight to work through the bit of logic you did, regarding lying and its many perils.
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Thread already failing in activity. Let's post some engagement farming for the nooooooticers in chyat.

-Easiest game ever where even a mandatory story cheevo is really low
-Hardest game that suspiciously has a really high max difficulty cheevo not being gold
-Game which you could play for hundreds of hours but you only get a handful or couple of them due to how specific they are
Bonus: cheevo that is actually a statistic of a statistic if you play normally but it's a 10 min chore if you just ask people on steam forums to help you do it. For me it was the carpool cheevo in DRG since the Silicate cars are nothing but annoyance in normal play.
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>>749770143
Nothing personnel Timmy
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>>749766078
This has never been the case. Its always something autistic and dumb. You finish a regular game on the hardest difficulty you have 30% completion.
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>>749767174
yfw you are better men supporting Ukraine and Palestine
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>>749769958
There is nothing wrong with achievements that normal people with normal responsibiltiies have no business attempting to obtain. It makes the fact that there are people who actually managed to do it all the more remarkable, and it's part of the reason why people who cheat to get them are actual fags.
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>so bored right now so I am watching yt videos about CK3
>this thread pops up as I click this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Caeg1miMVYY

Stop living in my walls niggas
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>>749770143
what exactly am i missing out on? be specific
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>>749766078
The majority of this game. https://store.steampowered.com/app/265990/Rogues_Tale/
Some achievements are just "Don't die too soon", but it gets pretty interesting from midgame and onwards.

I also liked some cheevos in Convoy
https://store.steampowered.com/app/318230/Convoy/
Like defeating the final boss with only melee vehicles, or only light vehicles (although that was a huge pain in the ass because light vehicles are very rare and also stupidly weak, so it takes forever to do it).

Some cheevos in Secrets of Grindea were fun
https://store.steampowered.com/app/269770/Secrets_of_Grindea/
Like for example there is an escort quest where you fetch a guy and are supposed to bring him back home, but you can just kidnap him and have him follow you for the rest of the game and he will actually comment on things from time to time (and mention he's not even supposed to be seeing them), and if you deliver him home after you get the true ending - he will recount your journey to his friend.
Even doing the speedrun cheevo was fun.
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These trophy things are kinda dumb. You should only get them for like major DLCs. Groups should just be a way to organize achievements and make them easier to parse than one great big block. saying "oh you get x trophies because we arbitrarily decided to group them into this number of groups" is useless.
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>>749770143
Steamies would rather celebrate their brand than help the industry heal. It's depressing.
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>>749770171
I wasn't arguing with you either. I'd be a liar if I said I don't agree with what you said. Just figured I'd take the time to humor the discussion since I enjoy thought experiments like this.

I'd like to believe there is a better explanation for short-sighted lies about inconsequential things like achievements than merely writing the person off as a "fucking dumbfuck", but doing so might be more work than it's worth.
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>>749770175
>Game which you could play for hundreds of hours but you only get a handful or couple of them due to how specific they are
Strategy games where you have to beat faction x playing as faction y on a specific difficulty and extremely specific settings that nobody uses.
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>>749770308
You're missing out on ownership, which is what I have on my gaming platforms.
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>>749766881
Damn, Wamu got THIS good?
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>still not banning SAM

Gabe is a cocksucker
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>>749770467
and what does that get you?
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>>749770403
I would literally die for Gabe Newell. If Gabe was about to be raped I would dive in front of him and take the BBC bullet in my ass.
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>>749769789
>>749769968
prove that you didnt use SAM. oh wait you cant every PC fag is a cheater
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>>749770229
Timmy doesn't offer ownership either unfortunately
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>>749770175
>Hardest game that suspiciously has a really high max difficulty cheevo not being gold
Super Meat Boy's "The Golden Gift!".
It's still gold and very hard but a lot of people SAM'd it back in 2011 because of the Winter Sale event where you had to unlock different winter themed achievements throughout the holidays.
I even have one guy in my friends list that has that achievement(which requires you to beat ALL levels in Kid's Christmas), but not the other one(for beating ANY of the levels) lmao
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>>749770549
None of those games are THAT bad to 100%
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>>749767574
Shmups are mainly for autists.
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>finish a 40h game
>damn that was good
>lets check the cheevos
>17/86 unlocked

i hate this gay shit
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>>749770549
>prove a negative
you should really go back to school
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>>749770687
>cheater already playing mental gymnastics
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I like cheev that make me aware of things I missed but things like beat x enemies, or beat level 1 and so are just bad and lazy
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>>749767393
Okay,
How about not locking people out of content.
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>>749770549
Enter
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>>749770549
how one would prove that? curious
i dont see the point on archievements but i see it less in cheating to get them
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>>749770509
For one it makes me a better gamer for supporting brands that provide ownership for their consumers so I get to flaunt my authority in threads like these where scumbags hang out.
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>>749766938
This but I do it unironically and I have fun, because I don't care about the 100% label, I just reach the 100% label because that's the logical conclusion of me doing all the funky challenges the developer came up with for me.

I'm sorry that most of you will never be as dignified as I am, but I apologize for nothing.
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>>749770549
>>749770775
I have videos of doing what I consider to be hard achievements.
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>>749770175
>-Easiest game ever where even a mandatory story cheevo is really low
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>>749770805
i dont record myself doing achievements
unless i can use it for jewtube views
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>>749770775
screenshot of every achievement triggering
thats the only way
i think there is a setting for that
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>>749770857
that sounds...fucking retarded and not something any sane person would do
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>>749767792
Are you retarded? Can you read? The government regulation is bad but I can't help but not feel bad for you when you run to big daddy government to save you and it pulls out it's cock and rapes you without lube. The Government is an inherently socialist instiutition and it hates you. All I'm seeing is a bunch of niggers who voted for the leopard's eating people's faces party and are now whining that the leopard is eating their face.
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>>749770783
>ownership makes me feel better
ok? something measurable and functional now?
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>>749770775
>>749770805
>>749770857
just play on playstation or any locked console you or stop being autistic about people not grinding 999h of diablo and just cheating
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>>749770904
that sounds... what a cheater would say
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>>749770669
>its not hard bro anyone can do <assy busywork>
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>has to be activated by a dev
no dev will ever do this on steam retroactively
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>>749770926
For what purpose? What benefit will I gain from participating in your pathetic butthurt sealioning?
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>>749769789
>Achievement for sucker-punching Jiequan before the fight instead of relying on your manlet skills
>Achievement for fucking up Shuan Shuan's pot
>Achievement for using the mech handout to fight a miniboss instead of relying on your manlet skills
>Achievement for killing the poor feesh robbit
I am PROUD of not 100%ing Nine Sols. I had the vial with liquid cancer in my hands, ready to be inserted into Jiequan's stank tank, and I still didn't do it. My power comes from within, not from without. Also
>Hades 2
LMAO'ing @ your life.
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>seasonal achievements
this is going to mindbreak so many people kek
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>>749770945
what are you talking about now schizo
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>>749770993
several devs already have
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Will devs go back and start using it for games already released? I doubt it
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>>749770669
>literally 4-5 achievements are tied to getting some one off collectible
>FIND ALL SPECIFIC DOODAD IN LOCATION 1
>FIND EVERY DOODAD AND GIZMO IN LOCATION 1
>FIND THIS SPECIFIC DOODAD IN LOCATION 1
>FIND EVERY DOODAD IN THE GAME
>FIND EVERY DOODAD AND GIZMO IN THE GAME
>GET ALL OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS
bad cheevo design
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>>749770731
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>>749767459
>but you screamed about it and begged mommy EU
Crying to the EU was SKG's entire platform.
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>>749770467
What are your gaming platforms?
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>>749766078
Factorio has a few good ones like handcrafting the minimum amount of items or beating it within 8 hours
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>>749770904
this guy is doing exactly that
https://steamcommunity.com/id/DilerOlowiu
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>>749770857
What's stopping someone from just being in game and using SAM on their second monitor? When you apply the achievement cheat you still get a notification in steam like you normally would
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>>749770995
why should i care about ownership if you can't give me a reason to?
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>>749770952
are you 12 years old that you go around taking screenshots of
"you unlocked 1 achievement" 50 times in every damn game? or autistic?
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Thread reminded me
>replay star ocean 4
>finish post game but want to play more while listening to podcasts
>can't be assed playing a harder difficulty
>fuck it, let's do the achievement for opening all the chests
>open the last one... achievement did not pop
>explore like a turbo autist
>still nothing
>the one single chest i missed must be one of the permanently missable ones

Man, I should replay Star Ocean 2 R again some time.
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i have cheevos in many game that are 15+ years old

what is the chance that devs will update them? 0%
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>>749771000
>>749769789
yeah I don't think any of those are that difficult? maybe cuphead if you're not patient.
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>>749770393
What game grouped them arbitrarily?
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>>749771081
thats one hell of an autistic guy
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>>749771090
are you retarded? that means you have to play the game. you cant trigger the cheevo for beating the game and the screenshot is of your standing in the tutorial
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post good achievements
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>>749766076
>>Valve improves their launcher
Yeah like when they turned the entire thing into a fucking browser like every other goysoftware these days? Fuck off, they're both shit.
Also cheevos are for retards.
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I wish steam had the balls to give points by getting achivements instead of giving them for buying games
Or at least make my page level go higher
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>>749768083
>adds new features
>improves existing ones
SAAAAR
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>>749771107
the screenshot are automatic retard, and save to your pc so you always have proof

>>749771175
proof that you didnt use SAM?
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>>749770783
This is pretty well crafted. Genuinely hard to tell whether you're being serious or not, though there's just enough snark for me to err on it being bait.

That being said, I find it rather sad if not outright irritating that people insist on trying to make this "ownership" thing a legitimate talking point.Though this is likely because I currently have absolutely no problems playing any game I want when I want. I don't plan on taking my vidya collection with me to the grave.
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>>749771063
Also has achievements worth not unlocking.
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>>749768021
Mmmmm black titties
Chocolate milk...
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>>749771202
100%ing games increases your chance of getting a card pack drop
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Is there any actual difficult achievement for a game that isn't some stupidly specific achievement? Do you have one? I'll accept it even if it's a playstation thing
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>>749771162
Yeah no shit, I'm talking about the more off the beaten path achievements. Not the participation awards literally everyone gets. Why would anyone care to fake those?
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>>749768021
What about it confuses you?
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>>749771056
Xbox Series X
Nintendo Switch
Nintendo Switch 2
PS4
PC
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>>749771268
Super Meat Boy 100%

good luck brother
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>>749771318
>PC
Steam is PC. Be specific.
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>>749771101
I'm not trying to get you to care about anything. I'm just here to troll PC vegans with facts about PC gaming. PC vegans are notoriously terrible at handling criticism, as proven by you.
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>>749771178
you're right but they will attack you anyway
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>>749771240
it's not bait, that raped tendie that brings up ownership is genuinely this ass ravaged
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>>749771268
the P4A score attack one was annoying, but that's the only one that really comes to mind.
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>>749765501
alright, Team Fortress 2 is "fixed", now we need to spam Garry about removing the play with Garry achievement
yes, I am aware that some guy has a 24/7 server running spoofing his ID where you can unlock it
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>buy new game
>launch game
>Achievement Unlocked: Launched the game!
>Steam pop-up: Rare achievement obtained! Owned by less than 1% of players! Congratulations, here is a blue ribbon! *confetti on screen*
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>>749771389
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>>749771175
still aint got that one, im stuck at like 420
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the update is up already

https://steamcommunity.com/achievements/440

how many rares do you have? im at 131
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>cheevos
for what purpose?
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>>749765501
This is a loss for us cheevo kings because it incentivizes timed achievements with this seasonal shit
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>>749771240
You'll survive anon.
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I don't even have steam overlay enabled but still like achievement hunting
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>>749771268
any sort of time trial-based one.
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>>749770919
>government regulation bad!
>but it's ok when it hurts the goycattle lmao
Rabbi, stop. This is getting out of hand
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>>749771487
where can you see your rare count?
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>>749771456
>Played Vampire Crawlers demo
>bought it yesterday
>save transferred over
>unlock 64 achievements immediately
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>>749771312
I just see it as unhealthy thought patterns
>See someone making fun of corporation
>"that person is part of 'them' for making fun of a corporation i am a fan of(!!!)"
Same with any brand or such. Like people who get kneejerk angry if you make fun of Disney or Ford or something~
Nonnies should learn to detach themselves from corporations and brands. Defending millionaires/billionaires for free on 4chan is a silly way to spend time.
Like change Steam and Epic with Marvel and DC. Or Target and Wal-Mart. Or Coca-Cola and Pepsi. Or anything like that. It starts being bit silly if you imagine people on their free-time defending those corporations and getting angry if someone criticizes them or their brands.
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it doesn't show total game % completion anymore on my profile

please tell me this is a bug?
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>>749771215
Isn't Devil Daggers one of the few games with anti SAM implementation? From what I remember the game only gives you the achievement if it can verify you are actually on the leaderboards.
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>>749771178
This. Heroic is better than both.
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>>749771348
Windows XP PC for all my owned PC games, from the late 90s and early 2000s, and a Dell Inspiron office laptop
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>>749771602
holy fuck.. i was at 62%... FUCK YOU GAVE

did they actually remove it?
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>>749771524
I'd like to think so. My momma didn't raise no fool.
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>>749765501
KINO, another reason to buy games on Steam!
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>>749771639
yep, horheristo was seething since he couldn't cheat that one
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>>749771401
Sure.
>>749771482
Pretty sure the mods give me a pass because everything I say is a fact. I can't help that you get trolled by facts.
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>>749771680
>>749771602
I had this happen before, pretty sure you can fix it by getting an achievement in any game
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>>749771664
Sounds Indian. No thanks.
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>>749771602
You will accomplish nothing and you will be happy
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>>749771694
You're white autistic adult so you can stop LARPing as a black person
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>>749771680
if this is true all those cheevo hunters will hang themselves
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>>749771536
NEVER EVER
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>>749769789
I simply 100% games that I enjoy.

>>749771268
Crypt of the necrodancer has a stupidly difficult one with just 0.3% clear rate. Don't know how bad is it since that game filters the shit out of me and I still haven't finished a normal run after all these years. Yet I somehow 100%'d the zelda spinoff just fine.
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>>749771772
That's fine.
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>>749771134
He was being cheeky, autism-kun.
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>>749771806
I'm not really sure how to respond to that post in a constructive way, anon. I'm not even sure I should try.
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>>749771746
>horheristo
holy fuck I haven't heard that name in a long time
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Steam cheevos are worthless because GabeN refuses to ban all the cheaters

SAM is being used by literal millions of accounts
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how do you separate dlc achievements from base game achievements?
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>>749771947
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>>749771746
>horheristo

who is that? a famous cheater? can you give me the quick lore
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>>749772009
SAM is literally only used by like 6 guys.
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so it will show 100% if you did every main game cheevo and didn't buy the DLC?

big if true
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>>749772009
There are people who will SAM everything, but the real joy is showing off the games you enjoy on your profile, to make it personal. What kind of person only uses SAM on a few specific games?
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>>749771854
>10 player local match
KEK

>>749771268
Not sure if WoW Classic had what you'd consider to be traditional achievements, but the first thing that comes to mind when I think of videogame achievements that were obviously designed with terminal poopsocking in mind is shit like the fishing competition in Classic WoW. Or even worse, being a Grand Marshal in PvP. Shit was unreal.
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>>749765501
achievement hunters have a very curious form of brain damage
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>>749772152
it sucks because when you get a 0.1% cheevo SAM faggots hop on the game and that cheevo turns to 1.2%
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>>749765501
Does this mean that it can't be cheated anymore?
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>>749772224
this is what the brain of a NFT bro looks like
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>>749771856
>necrodancer
My third rarest cheevo is from Necrodancer, and that's pretty mid by that game's standards
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>>749765501
Can I get the option to turn this shit off now?
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>>749772031
oh wait it looks like it's up to developer to separate dlc achievements
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>>749772298
im sorry that you didnt achieve anything in your sad gamer life

i go for hard challenges while you shitpost here
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>>749772319
What part do you want to turn off? Because there's a nonzero chance you can, actually.
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this is literally just a shitty UI update, it doesn't change anything
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Steam achievements are pointless when you can just unlock them manually with achievement picker
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>>749771326
i tried doing that when i was achievement whoring on 360
i consider the game shit and was 1 of the 2 games that made me stop acheivement whoring
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>>749772353
That's cool, how old is your child now?
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>>749772492
so you got filtered and then gave up? sounds like a typical /v/ poster
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>>749772469
And steam is pointless when you can just pirate vidya. What's your point faggot?
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>>749772469
>Steam achievements are pointless when you unlock them manually with achievement picker
Fixed that for you. Just don't do it.
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>>749772437
All achievements. I don't like it.
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>>749765579
I need RE 5 and 6 to archive the multiplayer cheevos
>>749765665
Me
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>>749772546
i spend a few hours at the last dark world and my brain went "why i'm wasting time playing for points?"
call it whatever you want
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>>749772596
You can turn off notifications and make playtime private to hide them from others, but Steam will still track them in the background and display the little progress bar in your library. I think that's about as far as you can go.
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>>749765665
I care, this is for me
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>>749772738
Yes, i hate it, even if you never create a profile they still track it.
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>>749765501
Timmy can never...
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>>749772074
>supposed god gamer
>unironically claimed he was the best player at every game he touched
>definitely had skill, but certainly not the best at everything
>what he couldn't do legit, he cheated(like Jamestown no hit clear on highest difficulty) or refused to play(Devil Daggers)
>also confirmed to have an alt account by Nuclear Throne's devs(used it to practice Nuclear Throne, might've used it to practice other games before playing them on his main account)
>when The End is Nigh(difficult platformer) released he and one other guy raced who would get 100% first(game was brand new, so there's no way anyone could've played it before, both players streamed it, horheristo lost)
>after that he started uploading porn games exclusively with censoring as little as he can without breaking youtube's rules, while also hiding the name and only revealing it on his patreon to paid subscribers(he deleted any comments on youtube that provided the game's name)
>his channel got nuked after some time
>hopped on a second channel called Kusemek and started uploading even more deranged censored shit(vore and such)
>that channel also got nuked
>his Steam is been on private for a long time now https://steamcommunity.com/id/EdenZ123
also, he's confirmed jewish, so that explains all that behavior
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>>749766720
Uh oh! Time for banbans!
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>>749773171
lol, you gotta love those schizoids tho
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>>749773171
not the anon who asked but thanks. I only recognized his name from the first porn game channel so I was curious what he had to do with achievements
sounds like a real character
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>>749765665
I care because it identifies people who lie about games. Most people think nothing of them, but Anons who constantly LIE about vidya hates cheevos because it makes it harder for them to lie.
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>>749765501
Okay, but what about those CS2 achievements?
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>>749773476
>playing counter shit
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>>749773476
it has 1 and you literally need to open the game to get it...
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>>749765665
This. who gives a fuck about achievements? It's just epenis shit.
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>>749772585
>achievements are pointless
Actually fixed.
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>>749773476
They'll never reintroduce them as they were a lazy copypaste from CS: Source in the first place
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really wish you could opt out from getting achievements

i have ocd and i like to see 0% or 100%, so fuck Gabe the fat fuck jew faggot
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>>749773726
I have it to and have no problem, consider getting help
>t. severe to mild nigga
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>>749773823
how nigga? i hate finishing a game and then i see i only finished like 62% while i know i did everything in the game
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>>749773864
You didn't, though. That's why it's at 62%.
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>>749773864
cheevos are an artificial gauge of how much you completed a game, they serve no purpose other than fulfilling a devs checklist. you did everything? no, you didn't do some absurd autistic shit to beat it. just fuck it man who cares.
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>>749765501
>Tim singlehandedly forces Steam to do something good for the first time since 2020
He can't stop winning.
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>>749773924
>>749773924

yeah i didnt kill a skeleton while it was a full moon and i didnt have the glowing dildo equipped, my bad
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>>749773864
A lot of modern games switched to having achievements mostly just for tracking game progress, so you can in fact get 100% by simply doing everything. I know I personally went from never caring about achievements to getting like 30 to 100% in the last couple years.
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>>749767272
>>749767291
>>749766938

It still counts in your heart if youre an OCD cheevofag
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>>749773345
he also made the website masochist.me that is supposed to be a leaderboard of the most hardcore achievement hunters
he was no. 1 for some time, but now he has disappeared entirely from the rankings
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>>749774067
*and devs will have more inclination to add cheevos in DLCs now
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>>749774017
I mean, sorry anon. Evidently the devs considered that arbitrary set of conditions to be an experience worth cataloging.
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>steam adds a feature widely requested in steam forums
>/v/ has a giga pedo melty leakage over it

Make it make sense
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>>749765665
>>749765676
>it's not for me personally so I'll be a pissy baby about it
You are literally a child
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>>749774267
the only request the community had about achievements is that they ban SAM and cheaters

they did this shitty UI update instead

go suck Gabs fat cock more faggot
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>>749766138
It's not, though
it's just moving pixels

Nobody cares what it feels like to you just because you are a retarded child
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>>749774267
/v/ is contrarian as hell, you should know this. Being anonymous helps with that because it means people can air their grievances without worry about backlash. That is, unless you do it so much that people start recognizing you, but at that point those people do it on purpose.
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>continues to have a giga pedo melty
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>>749774349
>they ban SAM
no fucking way they would ever do this.
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>>749774349
because no one gives a fuck about achievements retarded underage
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my rarest achievement is from an rts game and it's 0.3% of players
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>>749774448
WHY?

>>749774461
then why does Valve keep updating them?
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The core issue with achievements is that the vast majority of them are completely arbitrary from the devs and a large part of them in any game shouldn't be called "achievements" to begin with.
Having an achievement for beating the game is good especially if the game is relatively hard, having an achievements for beating 10 ennemies or playing for 5 hours is completely worthless.
What is worse is people gaslighting themselves they haven't finished a game without getting 100% of achievements which is fundamentally retarded.
You could finish Hollow Knight without using a single nail upgrade, it's definitely an achievement by all metric considering it's both hard and not recommended to do but it's not considered an achievement by the list the devs made up. However getting a charm is an achievement, something anyone that touches the game has to obtain because you're given one automatically. It just doesn't make sense, 99% of achievements are just made up bullshit.
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>>749774349
>create anti-cheat for achievements because a subset of a subset will use it for something almost nobody gives a shit about
those faggot groups for 100% game completion can figure out who is cheating on their own
nobody gives a shit unless they are pretending this is a big issue, like you
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>>749774558
look another cheater apologist
i know the color of your skin btw
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>>749774525
a lot of achievements are just telemetry shit to see how many people actually started the game and how long they played, yeah
it's extremely gay and nothing can really be done about it other than call the devs out, who might not even be aware they are doing it if they are just copying what is "normal"
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>>749774484
because it would actually do something positive, and valve doesn't do much of that atm.
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>>749774484
>then why does Valve keep updating them?
because retarded underages like you care about them



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