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There was that remake of Wizardry 1 that was released recently no?
>>749830853This is still about half of the porn games being made.
Certain vast segments of the world population can't solve mazes, so maze dungeons were done away with.In the old days a huge multi-level maze game was just what White people wanted. But now the rest of the world is buying games so they have to have glowing dots on the compass rose, automapping, and even yellow paint to guide you to your destination.
>>749831001that came out 6 years ago
>>749830853Name 40 games like this.
>>749831670every diablo clone.
>>749830853Because persona 3 was shit
>>749831670would you count dark cloud as this?
>>749831752yes
>>749831670every mmo
>>749831670Mega Man LegendsDragon's Dogma
>>749831784Hidden gem. Played it for hundreds of hours
>>749831793>>749831785Legit retards. That's why they don't make games like that anymore
>>749830853Gamers want to stare at vistas and landscapes.
>>749830853because it was not a feature to have only one village and one dungeon, it was a limitation. We do not have those limitations anymore. Any time you see a game doing that nowadays, they are larping limitations
>>749831846It's not a hidden gem you fag.
>>749831960multi town and dungeon counts towards OP i guess if >>749831752 does
>>749831960i sure love the open world games created for 'not gamers' without that limitation
>>749831669Yes so as he said, recently.
>>749830853people don't like smaller dense experiences they want extremely wide and shallow experiences instead, so devs cater to them.
>>749830853There's an indie game in development called heathen that is pretty much diablo1 in first person
>>749830853literally every souls game including king's quest
>>749831784More obscure games like this?
>>749831960>Any time you see a game doing that nowadays, they are larping limitationsanime posters going for the longest record of the worst takes
>>749831670Etrian Odyssey seriesShining in the DarknessDiablo 1
>>749831779Obviously
>>749830853Fatlus is too busy milking Persona to make another EO game
>>749830853This is literally just roguelites >town/hub>go to a run>try to go deeper>die>back to town/hub>win run>back to town/hub
>>749831670azure dreamsomega labyrinth lifeany disgaea
>>749831670Phantasy Star Online (Episode 1)
>>749832827You're seething. Shouldn't have done woke, this will never stop now lel. Everything you stand for and believe in is painfully uncool now, and going away.
>>749831670Every wizardry game and clone would cover the 40 easy.
I'm playing Shiren 6, but that game is way too frustrating. When the RNG starts stacking up against you, you need superhuman emotional control to keep from smashing everything.Today I played for 2 hours to upgrade a shield, and in one turn a guy used a move that knocks the shield backward, and while it was flying through the air, the shield hit one of the item-stealing enemies, who immediately teleported away with it, so I'd never be able to get it back...1 turn ruined 2 hours of preparation.
>>749832002I think that might be the joke.
This is one of those genres that people tend to like in theory more than reality. You get this idealized image of what the game is going to be and then it is just a grindfest you get bored with.
>>749833026Always remember item grinding is optional for shitters who can't beat a roguelike. Use what you find and git gud.
>>749830853games like this?
>>749833202no the genre just filters the low iq
>>749833361That's the optional post-game dungeon.
>>749831960The original legend of Zelda had several dungeons. so there was no arbitrary limitation as you've stated.
>>749830853This is the structure of old Gran Turismo games if you think about it.
>>749833026What the fuck is this dismal looking garbage? They made 5 of them before, too?
>>749833538https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike
>>749833202>then it is just a grindfest you get bored with.It depends on the game, actually.Modern "roguelites" don't do justice to what well-polished RPGs can truly offer. The idea is to have several solid mechanics and let the total randomness of the dungeons (without worrying about creating "fair" situations for the player) cause them to collide unpredictably, forcing the player to come up with unconventional solutions.In fact, this is missing from practically every modern game, not just roguelites or roguelikes. Sometimes the game needs to put the player in a ridiculously unfavorable situation and force them to find the best possible solution using the resources at their disposal. But who does that these days?
>>749831670king's field 2
>>749830853invert it with more floors after the town and you have barony
>>749831016lolThis
>>7498316701. Diablo2. Diablo II3. Torchlight4. Torchlight II5. FATE6. FATE: Undiscovered Realms7. FATE: The Traitor Soul8. FATE: The Cursed King9. FATE: Reawakened10. Dark Cloud11. Dark Cloud 2 (Dark Chronicle)12. Xanadu Next13. Azure Dreams14. Moonlighter15. Moonlighter 2: The Endless Vault16. Silent Hope17. Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale18. Ys Origin19. Ys: The Oath in Felghana20. Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim21. Ys: The Ark of Napishtim22. Chantelise: A Tale of Two Sisters23. Cuisineer24. Adventure Bar Story25. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team26. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky27. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX28. Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon: Every Buddy!29. Azure Dreams: Game Boy Color30. Tao's Adventure: Curse of the Demon Seal31. Shiren the Wanderer32. Shiren the Wanderer: The Tower of Fortune and the Dice of Fate33. Shiren the Wanderer: The Mystery Dungeon of Serpentcoil Island34. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies35. Ever Oasis36. Rune Factory 437. Rune Factory 538. Stardew Valley39. Darkest Dungeon40. Book of Demons
>>749832418Nah, catposters beat them
>>749831960>zoomer tries to talk about video game history
>>749833361Dark Cloud 1
>>749831670Dragon Quest 1-40
>>749830853Play Daggerfall Unity.
>>749833538It's the "Mystery Dungeon" series. I don't consider it a dungeon crawler RPG, it's more like a dungeon crawler board game.The game is extremely addictive (on the level of "Vampire Survivors" of addiction, but with depth), but it can also be extremely frustrating.They've made five games before this (plus a whole bunch of spin-offs), so Shiren 6 is kind of the result of taking the formula and polishing it to perfection.It has its limitations because the RPG mechanics are too simplistic (as I said, it's more like a board game), but even so, I've already put 120 hours into the game and still feel like I'm far from exhausting all its possibilities.
>>749833971It's a roguelike.
>>749833361Original Rogue
>>749833361Labyrinth of Galleria's post game.
>>749831670Hunted - The Demon's ForgeA single player Bethesda game people seem to know very little about. It's a 3rd person action game where you go down deeper and deeper in a long dungeon for most of the game.You play as two characters: an female ranger elf and a human male warrior. You can switch between them at certain spots, or just play as one all game.
>>749831670Please lurk for 40 more years before posting again, thanks.
>>749831670The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
>>749833361FateIts dungeon is as deep as your integer limit.
Also cursed blacksmith, except it's a porn game. Good gameplay though
>>749833802>Stardew ValleyEhh?
>>749831670every *band variant
>>749833802Considering you're going back almost 30 years you could spend 8 months playing each of these games and still have time left over.
Don't forget Darkstone for the PS1/PC.
>>749831670Ehrgeiz Dungeon mode
>>749833361Torchlight 1
I prefer Ultima Underworld/King's Field 1/System Shock style
>>749831670
>>749833026Mystery Dungeon games are total ass.
>>749833993ToEE was the original "evil temple next door to the friendly village"
WHY DID THEY STOP MAKING GAMES LIKE THIS?
>>749830853They didn't but I absolutely hate this setup. I didn't originally, but it's so goddamn sterile as a setting. I need more adventure on a broader scale. I'm somewhat more tolerant of ones with distinct constructed floors(Summon Night 1/2). You can just about flip a coin over whether I think one with randomly generated floors is shit or not(Diablo? Good times. That "Tales of" one on the PSP? Go fuck yourself.). Yet, one of my favorite games ever is of the dungeon crawler variety: Dungeons of the Unforgiven. I'll be the first to say it's barebones, but damn if it isn't still fun. Gotta watch your ass around elementals, they can permanently drain your stats when they hit you, but killing them usually drops a random potion that increases one of your stats by two and drops another by one.
>>749832827>You see IQ in the human population follows a normal distribution. That means the vast majority of people will be of middling or lower intelligence and therefore unable to engage in abstra->"NIGGERS! It HAS to be niggers! This racist is saying niggers are retarded! We all know niggers are the stupidest members of the population, so that's GOT to be who he's talking about!"???
>>749836927>Summon Night 1/2?
>>749831670https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9emUV9Ha44
>>749837018You know damn well and good that nobody cares about anything except the two Swordcraft Story titles.
>>749837131I do...
>>749833993>Temple of ELEMENTAL Evil>It's actually demonsI will never not be mad
>>749835604the mines, seems pretty obvious
>>749836916heh
>>749831670Trails of Cold Steel. There are other towns and dungeons but the main town has a big underground dungeon you explore between chapters.
>>749837337Valheim
>>749834023Yes.
>>749836675Shiren 6 is good.I've never played Pokémon or similar games, but from what I've read, even Shiren fans consider those games to be bad.
just invert it.
>>749837714*Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, obviously
>>749830853
>>749838683now this is kino
>>749831670Tobal 2
>>749836198Depends on what your goal is. Many people have 1000s of hours in just Diablo 2 or Stardew. If your goal is just play it til the end credits roll? Sure, but that's not what video games are about. That's what shitty movie games are about. There are multiple builds to try, multiple paths to take, challenges, achievements, etc... That you can't do with 1 or 2 playthroughs in a lot of these games.
>>749832181maybe for you grandpa. i was in high school 6 years ago and now i have a job and a house.
>>749838683I both love and hate this shit.
>>749836916lmao
>>749830853>>749833361>>749836916>>749837337>>749838683i like this format
>>749834023Roguelike, japan
>>749838683Let It Die, climbing the tower of babel was too kino
>>749838683Enjoy!
>>749836916HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!!!????!
>>749838683my nigga
>>749836962Let's be honest now, he's absolutely right.
>>749839814It would be cool for a game to have several dungeons, but one is incredibly deep like this. Make it not so obvious that there's more beyond a few layers deep. Put a bare layer or two for people to get lost and develop that sense where people want to keep going and see where it leads. There could be mole people, some sort of weird creatures, or Hell at the bottom.
>>749831682not even diablo 2 is like that
any infinite tower/crypt action games? Brandish and Diablo are cool but I want action, like 3D or top down 2D real time like a Zelda.A Monster Hunter-like game in a giant tower would be sick, where each floor has a boss monster guarding it and there's also more of a focus on resource management. You have to plan and then delve into the dungeon and bosses respawn every time you leave.
>>749833802How is this AT ALL like D2?
>>749841268nta but I can kind of see it, each act has a town and anything outside of the town can be considered a dungeon, sort of. D1 obviously fits the mold to a T but the structure is similar even in the later diablo games except instead of descending though one dungeon, you're progressing horizontally across a region.
>>749841205not quite infinite but there is the baroque remakes that are 3D, and have plenty of floors.
>>749831670Shadow TowerFatal Labyrinth Eye of the Beholder
>>749833361Splatoon Raiders
>>749833361Original D&D used to be this.
>>749841148>>749841268behold, an entirely different genre
>>749841456In Diablo 1 you literally go through one dungeon and then one more dungeon both inside of the townIn D2 you go to 5 different towns and explore across multiple zones, some of which have mini dungeons inside of them.
>>749831960Creativity comes from limitations.But your are a zoom zoom that grew in a world with everything at your disposal, so you wouldn't know anything about creativity I guess
>>749841719Diablo was based on Temple of Elemental Evil.
>>749831016There are porn Dungeon Crawlers?
>>749842086yes, both RPG maker porn crawlers and non RPG maker ones. there was a recent Darkest Dungeon hentai crawler as of recent for example. Rule34: if it exists there's porn of it.
>>749841719I know? My post even said as much? thanks I guess
>>749837131The third one got translated recently
>>749831670This is literally every NetHack and Angband type game except you have to get through the first part of the dungeon in NetHack to get to the town and even then there's shit that can kill you there.
>>749831670Castlevania II: Simon's QuestZelda II: The Adventure of LinkDragon Quest I+II
>>749833802Ark of Naphistim is listed twice.
>>749830853The dungeon crawler I'm looking forward to most is Weepstone. The demo was really fun, it has proper exploration and great style, and it's not gridmaze shit with random encounters.
>>749831670arx fatalis
>>749841702D2 is mostly exterior exploration until you found the dungeon which is like 2 or 3 floors. it's completely different from Diablo 1/Wizardry style mega-dungeon crawl
>>749832242It's only Diablo in terms of the concept of dungeon crawling. It has actual mechanics and gameplay that isn't shit, which means it's really nothing like Diable.
>>749833361Too deep and too greedy Mr. Dwarf.
>>749842328ONLY twice? He needs to get those numbers up.
>>749836916KINO SOULS II
>>749836916THATS IT, THE GAME SUCKS ITS FUCKING SHIT WE GO FROM THE POISON LEVEL TO THE FIRE LEVEL THIS IS BULLSHIT
>>749842328Ys6 is so good it should've been listed three times.
>>749838683What kind of retard builds a dungeon with two walls?
>>749831960NTA but true and realdon't know why people are shitting (You), and calling you a zoomer. We literally don't have limitations anymore, you can build any game you want
>>749833361that's literally bloodborne
>>749831670Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
>>749833361Brand New Quest: the Forsaken Dungeon, which is the title of the story mode on Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring.
>>749833361Get rid of the town and that's Hybrid Heaven
>>749843297this shit brings me backi remember seeing FF characters on the case and immediately begging for it. I spent more time in this shitty dungeon crawler than the fighting game bit>filenamesums it up perfectly, man i miss finding a game like that and going in blind
>>749835604Its a town with 2 really long dungeons next to it. Most of your gameplay is seeing how far down the Skull Caverns you can farm without dying before the day ends. The farming is just secondary passive income after a while.
>>749831670The Dark SpireIt's like the most purist version of this concept.
>>749843297>Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ringwasn't that a fighting game with ff characters?
Tower of Myraglen.
>>749830853Because that type of game was made due to the limitations of the time
>>749831846Zoomer/gen alpha faggot detected
>>749833802>>749842328replace it with LotZ: Spirit Tracks with that stupid dungeon you have to go back to every other level
>>749845926No, they had “open world” multi-dungeon games even in the terminal era with stuff like Zangband There is zero limitation on game scope, especially when everything is procedural, I mean Daggerfall was a massive world with many huge dungeons in the mid-90’sIt's a style choice, focus on a smaller setting for a more focused theme.
>>749832331Coral Island
>>749842216No you don't know, retard. You are completely without understand and knowledge. Don't trick yourself into thinking that you were not talking complete nonsense.
>>749831670Caves of Qud
>>749831670rotmg
>>749841268The Tower in Act 1. Specially considering you go in there literally 1000s of times to farm runes.
>>749846694>get shilled on caves of qud>first fucking mission is saving a tranny centaur being oppressed by its villageI'm so fucking tired bros.
>>749838683that's the shit
>>749833361Siralim Ultimate!
>>749846006>a more focused themefunny, this isn't even the case in a lot of these game where different floors have wildly different themes/biomes. It would be just about the same scope to put them as segmented areas on a flat world map instead of floors of a dungeon. It's just a style thing. Big, seemingly endless dungeons and sky towers are cool.
why did they stop making games like this?
>>749833361What a thrill
>>749830853Can't be attacking temples in this day and age.
>>749836916
>>749848002This always was, and will be, the best dungeon design to come out of WoW. None of that faggy tryhard mythic+ optimized garbage. You start the run with your bros in the afternoon and stay there til 3am
>>749842172>Darkest Dungeon hentai crawlerSauce?I already have most the mob already gooned out in darkest dungeon
>>749848002OFFICIAL /sp/ WoW vanilla dungeon ranks1. Stratholme2. Blackrock Depths3. Lower Blackrock Spire4. Uldaman5. Wailing Caverns6. Scarlet Monastery7. Scholomance8. Deadmines9. Shadowfang Keep10. Blackfathom Deeps11. Maraudon12. Zul'Farrak13. Sunken Temple14. Dire MaulPOWER GAP9001. Razorfen Kraul9002. Ragefire ChasmPOWER GAP900000000001. Razorfen Downs900000000002. GnomereganPOWER GAP900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001. The Stockades
>>749850050NetHack my beloved
>>749850050>town 1 knows nothing of the existence of town 2 & 3
i'm making a game like thismost dungeons are handmade, some are procgenlast dungeon is a handmade dungeon at the end of a 100 floor procgen dungeon
>>749837337Wind Waker
>>749850050Holy kino. Any recommendations?
>>749850050Dungeon siege
>>749850050Does Xanadu count for this? I think there's at least a handful of JP games that did this
>>749850050MMOs and RPGs in general if we're being honest.When's the last time you went back to one of the early towns in an RPG?
>>749850050smt4 is kind of like this, right?
>>749850219I don't think you go below old Tokyo in smt4
>>749842086"Kinky Dungeon" for one.
>>749850050>>749850163Siralim Ultimate again!
>>749830853Does look outside count?
>>749830853Funny part is that it makes perfect sense. It's basically a frontier gold rush settlement, but fantasy.
>>749830853A lot of traditional roguelikes are like that, modern versions of Angband or Tome for example, generally its japanese RPG games that still do it that way because they are more rooted in classic TTRPG tradition
>>749830853No reasons to limit your game to just a dungeon with distinct level anymore.Open-World are a legit design and no amount of contrarian bait will change that.
>>749850050Dragon's Dogma 1 was supposed be like this but with entire planes of reality instead of towns. Shame we never got anything like that.
>>749850050>you find the secret to access town -1 after reaching town 10KINO
>>749850182Just yesterday.
>>749850356The trick is that you don't need to interact with most of those levels like the usual open world slop, they are pointless theme park worlds designed to waste your time
>>749850356And gotta post the extra
>>749831016>porn games are the last bastion of good game designGrim
>>749850357i would have loved this.
For me it's Lufia 2's Ancient Cave.
>>749850357Fuck crapcom and fuck this cursed franchise man
>>749833802Bodied that freak
>>749849786>Razorfen Kraul downplayerDisgusting.
>>749850357>>749850463find joy in the fact that someone in another universe is enjoying the greatest video game ever made, ironically enough.
>>749850662A universe where post 2000 shitcom isn't morbidly incompetent? That's a hard sell.
>>749833347The only great roguelike ever made has no grinding at all
>>749836916まさか
>>749836916I think the last guy who made one of these is institutionalizedyour Internet access is getting revoked
>>749832472>Shining in the Darkness
>>749836916Most systems can't handle such defilement of laws of physics and reason. Tried making an rpgmaker game like this and my rig exploded.
>>749830853What do you mean, there’s literally a game like thishttps://files.catbox.moe/ntqujf.html
>>749850357Potential man strikes again
>>749839331Damn, child laborers make a bank nowadays
>>749850050Made in abyss game when?
>>749833802
>>749851065I guess thinking of yourself as a child at 24 is part of the reason why you're a 35 year old unemployed childess loser living with your parents.
>>749834395But is it good though?
>>749850710Ooops, wrong pic.
>>749833802No Angband or Moria? The original THAT GAME?You should check out Angband Live!https://angband.live/It’s got basically every *band including Frogcompostband
Is this any good? I installed it expecting it to be Rimworld with dungeons but it seems holy fucking autistic to learn. Is it worth learning how to play?
>>749833802>Xanadu NextWell posted, friend
>>749830853Vibecoding a game like this atm with cute lolis
>>749831670Rance 2
>>749831670Barony
>>749851431Why? There's already a billion of them. Steam is plagued with them.
>>749831016Do they suck?
Torneko Mystery Dungeon came out last month.
>>749850182>MMOsAll the time. It's not unusual for level cap players to chill at Goldshire and watch n00b antics.>RPGsMost RPGs these days reward backtracking after you unlock some mcguffin later in the story or just outright have side-quests that scale the zone accordingly.
>>749850356Chrono Cross? kind of...
>>749837337pokemon lmao
>>749851532lolis? they're everywhere? oh no!
>>749843101Its a classic jeet behaviour to sow gen war in every thread, the leaked 4chan data confirmed this lol
>>749833802Destroyed that faggot.
>>749831960No, it was imitation. Do you know why D&D uses the term "dungeon master"? It's because the original intention was that each DM would have one giant dungeon that all their playgroups would be thrown at, and that'd be the whole game.
>>749833802>half of those aren't even elligible>not mentioning Darksiders gamesas always /v doesn't play vidya
>>749851641it came out 33 years ago, anon
>>749852042This website is only for people who are 18 or older.
>>749833361Etrian Odyssey (Obligatory)Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria (Also obligatory)
>>749831670Ys and its 39 re-releases
Tell me why
>>749851060>https://files.catbox.moe/ntqujf.htmlfucking cool, man
>>749852723>Tell me whyBreath of the Wild
>>749852723Majora's Mask
>>749851138Already exists
>>749852723Town in the middle of the dungeon is kino
>>749838683fixed your goofy ass two sided open tower, nerd
>>749852174Sure doesn't feel like it thenfaggot
>>749851298Preferable over being a wagie
>still no proper Danmachi gameOwari da
>>749842694>II
>>749840320wow mean
>>749852723digital devil saga 1
>>749850050was septerra core like this? haven't played it in years
>>749837337bitterblack isle, though you don't do any seafaring.
>>749830853This is ideal.
>>749850329Gary Gygax was inspired by gold mining towns when he wrote the Temple of Elemental Evil tabletop module, the progenitor of the trend.
>>749851309i've tried to get into it twice but the controls are ass and just doesn't feel good to playgraffix and story are whatever pretty standard 360 era shityou're better off playing dark alliance or some other d&d hack n slash maybe dungeon siege 3
