>nice indie game viral success you have here>Claude, copy it and deploy fifty clones on all platformsHow do you respond without sounding mad?
>>749933135these people deserve it though, since all they made is some shitty incremental sloppa.look at the people whining and the games that got copied. they are all simple and frankly not worth paying money for.
>>749933135maybe make something that isnt just a gimmick
>>749933135Kids copying shit in roblox has happened even before AI
I learn from my mistake and only reveal my game ideas once they're finished
>>749933135>viral slop:0>viral slop, AI8O
>>749933135BasedAnother vibeGOD victory
>>749933135if an AI makes a clone of your game and it's more fun and higher quality than what you made, you deserve it
>>749933135These are the same people that will cause an ultimate meltdown if you steal their precious prompt
Gameplay is king fags in shambles, now the only way to make sure you own your game is to stuff it with art, writing, characters, music etc you own and fans buy because you made them, to the point they're not interested in knockoffs, and that you can copyright strike if they're outright copied
why does anyone care what happens in roblox? do they think children will steal money from their parents to buy the game on steam? do they think child predators care enough to diversify to steam?
>>749933312>AI can't create only copy>people stop creating>????>PROFIT
>>749933135The "original" is just Peter Molyneux's grift but in reverse.
>>749933135This already happened before AI. Roblox had like 20 versions of phasmophobia after a month.
>>749933135Guess I'll be making porn games from now on.
>AI can make copy of your game in 25 hours>lazy devs spent 6 months if not more writing itI was told AI is worthless, how can it code x365 times better than actual developers?
>>749933505So that it won't be copied, or so that roblox will be flooded with porn games?
>ATTENTION INDIE DEVELOPERSYou need to prominently include NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER in your game to prevent AI bots from copying it.Ideally embedded in textures, models and the title of the game.Other techniques such as "Israel controls America" are still on the testing phase.
>>749933135Roblox is honestly one of the great evils of our time.
>>749933607Won't work, not saying why just think about it
Why are the braindead zoomers saying "had a blast" now?
>>749933619steam 'needle in a haystack'
>>749933607Nah man, they knew how to censor wordsInstead, I would recommend being more subtle.Granted, it's not easy to ask how to be subtle without them noticing.Gotta make sure they don't spot it easily.Ergo, I came up with a solution.Really, just do something simple like the first letter of each sentence.
>>749933564I'd consider either a win.
serves them right for engagement farming
>>749933607you don't need to steal code or visual assets to tell clud to make a game where punching breaks down the voxel world with cute effectsit can do that much in less than 10 minutes, you provide the fists of course
>>749933275Letting people make money off being an obnoxious asshole is responsible for a large amount of society's ills. Elon Musk will burn in hell.
>>749933135Here’s some ideas for you:Games withStoriesCharactersSurprises Complex gameplay, Gameplay evolution, etcWanting to make it big with a quick quirky idea is brown-coded
>>749933135Not surprised.In the realm of art, before AI, people would regularly steal people's shit and then relabel them as their own works. Hell, Tower Girls is actually a 4chan OC that got stolen and copyrighted. Anyone who thinks people wouldn't do this but with AI have no clue what people will do in stealing from others.
>>749933135Everything about this sounds retarded.
>AAAACK!!
copyright it before showing it to public?isnt that..common sense?
>>749934285Yeah bro I'm sure ROBLOX will enforce a copyright takedownValve will be shutting down all the clones immediatelyAll the mobile clones on the Play Store will be taken down by a simple request!
>>749934338They actually do but only if coming from some big scary company.Roblox had a crapton of Warhammer 40k games that all got DMCAd by Games Workshop in one swoop.
>>749933607Actually my bots worked with an ebook that contains slurs.>>749934045To you folks an “obnoxious asshole” is just a straight guy who lives as his own man. Making his own games without a care in the world about what your social group thinks of him.
>>749934285>copyrighting gaming mechanicsNintendo should copyright jumping and just rake in the cash
>>749933619Said the steam drone, youre mad steam lost to roblox
>>749934425blame social media
>>749933247What is this a sloppa copy of? What's Inside the Cube? that's literally the only thing that has a similar mechanic.
>>749934412Because GW is a lawsuit fiend and they're actually going to chase after you with lawyers.If John Anon the indie game developer, with a budget of 0, no company, no lawyers, sends a copyright request they'll wipe their ass with it.
>>749934439lost what fucking retarded kid?
>>749933619>Roblox is honestly one of the great evils of our time.Cool it with the anti-semitism.
>>749934578>If John Anon the indie game developer, with a budget of 0, no company, no lawyers, sends a copyright request they'll wipe their ass with it.Yeah basically like I said. Only if some lawyered up giant comes knocking with a DMCA they'll do shit. Same on steam.
>>749933472You’re trans lol
>>749934547don't know the name, but the idea was mining out bits of wall to mine out bigger bits of the wall.just like that potato peeling incremental, or the other incremental where you click squares to click a bigger patch of squares.these people really think they're worth shit, but I'm telling you nothing of value was lost when this was "stolen" and put in roblox
>>749934635The concurrent players record, steam charts will NEVER reach these heights
>>749933135>regurgitated skinner box shit gets copied>more news at 11
>>749933135Damn where have I seen this insanely unique game mechanic before?
>>749934547>What's Inside the Cube?god damn, forgot all about that pile of shit. i wonder if the guy that won the prize even remembers it.
>>749933135Minecraft and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>749933135Maybe indie devs should stop making retarded shit like "find a needle in a haystack" or "x simulator" or "punch x times to win"
>>749934738Because Steam doesn't have literal babies drooling on their parents ipad while getting groomed by pedos.
>>749933472Kek, this.
>>749934738You must be at least 18 years old to post on 4chan.
Jerusalemware
>>749933380Sounds reasonable, but these AI/Roblox/Roblox-AI clones are NOT more fun or higher quality, what they are is available. When the "real" game comes out, it disappears like a fart in the fog because it's just "wallpunchangaem 27" instead of the genre definer. Even if it's 10x better, the world has moved on.
>>749934871Yeah you just got teens and autists being groomed by trannies and pedos instead
>>749933273but not this fast
>>749933560The last 10% of any project takes 90% of the time. AI does the easy 90% and these jeet-code clones don't even bother with that last 10% because scamming a few hundred thousand people is bound to get you at least 5% of people who don't refund. And 5000 sales for a few hours of "work" is plenty of money to these bottom feeders. They then poison the well for anyone willing to actually do that last 10%, AI or not.
>>749934738>numberskys shill
>>749933560I have never seen a AIjeet coded game praised here. It's a tier lower than shovelware.
>>749933135>make minecraft without building>some one makes a roblox version of minecraft without building>OH NO my creative and original idea!
>>749933135>(literally any game) exists>Someone copies it, puts it on roblox and fills it with p2w microtransactionsWhy does this happen every time? If kids aren't getting groomed they're getting scammed
>>749935205steam charter suddenly doesn't like numbers
>>749934738I don't even understand what's happening when I look up footage of these. Shit's for actual sub 80 IQ golems.
>>749935630>we don't like botted numbersYeah, go figure.
Could this be s&box's niche? Just literally steal games from other platforms but unlike roblox not have them look like utter trash for two-year-olds?Get it on it, garry.
They should make Dreams 2 with built in AI
>>749933135Kek, the best part is if they publish and go patent first, the original guy can be the target of Cease and Desist if he persists.
>>749934424You need a tripcode.
>>749933275Thanks, I will now make a x account.
>>749934424????I don't think you speak English at a fluent level if you thought this was a response to my post whatsoever.
>>749933135holy basedoli! does this patreon hgame niggers have to actually finish their games now?
>>749933607Am I safe chief?
>>749935726Anon steam is botted as fuck
>>749933275seriously? shit making an account now then
>>749934820Well he never got the prize because it was supposed to be a piece of the profits of Godus, and Godus flopped.
Honestly? I support this I know as a dev you wanna present your game even during beta and early alpha but its bad for the consumer to know of your game this early imho. Devs should keep early games to themselves and only show it to family and friends anyway. 1.0 is for the public.
>>749933135what is there to be mad aboutprobably the vast majority of people that play my game will have never even touched roblox, and vice versa. i don't think you quite understand just how many gamers there are, and how coalesced those gamers are to a small number of platforms.that withstanding, nobody else will execute it as well as myself, chatbots can't code for shit and as fun as these toy demos they keep making are, that is very different from actually creating a coherently designed game (and even if they could, we've already lived through mass replacement before, and it didn't take the artisans away). every aspect of this premise is retarded, quite literally every one
>>749933310>women making whoreslop:|>men making slop>:O
>>749933135>AI is now going after people shitting out games without substanceAnother filter has hit the indie scene, it seems.
>>749933135This doesn't make sense to me. How is the vibe coded garbage bootleg even remotely close to "replacing" the original game?Consider, for a second, Super Mario Bros. Or any game you consider to ve very well-made or even great. Now suppose that half a year before the game came out, 30 seconds of gameplay were shown, and from that, a bunch of retarded Indians prosuced 1000 minimum-effort bootlegs that could produce an almost identical 30-second clip. It would be retarded to say "nah, I don't need to play Dark Souls when it comes out, cause look, some vibe coder shat out similar base movement."Do people just not understand that level design exists? That a game consists of more than a 30 second clip on the developer's twitter? That there's a reason almost nobody has ever botherd to play shitty bootlegs (which have been a thing pretty much since games began to exist)?I feel like the people on both side of this "controversy" are retards who don't play games and certainly don't understand them, and that includes a lot of these indie developers.
>>749934285>copyright it before showing it to public?You do not understand how copyright works.
>>749941704These vibed out copies are only a problem for actual dogshit games that consist of a singular gimmick without the other natural constituents (style, setting, levels, etc) that make it worth remembering beyond a week.AI is, at the moment, only really the death of a very specific type of indie developer, being the retard that just flips assets to make a substanceless game about digging a hole or punching holes in walls. Which is fine. Those people should fuck off and make way for actual games.
>>749933247>these people deserve it thoughThey don't, and you're an underachieving retard.
Are any of these new style incremental clicker games even particularly fun? Or is it all streamer bait?
Only third-world children play on Roblox.
>we're reaching a point where /v/'s old dream of being able to dream up a game and will it into reality is becoming an actual possibility>this is suddenly a bad thing
>>749933275You just need to say nigger and gas the kikes in all your posts, regardless of its relevancy.
>>749943007Seems like the devs getting their dogshit copied in roblox are the underachievers lmao eat shit
>>749943067>400 million MAU
>>749933273Yeah but the copies didn't come out before the original...
>>749943069If you're using AI to make your game for you (or at least a close interpretation of what you think it would be, because it never gets shit exactly how you want it), then your idea was never good enough to begin with. Making a game or doing literally anything creative is about the trial and error; taking what works and doesn't work, and sorting the pieces. All you're doing is telling everyone that you're incapable of improving and will remain the same mongoloid dipshit your entire life.
>>749933312>>749934694>Still spammingyou're grandmas lol
>>749941704the problem is that the bootlegs can overdo the main gimmick of the base game, to the point that when the base game releases, no one will play it because they grew tired of the main gimmick already.But to be honest, nothing of value is being lost here. It's about time indie games forgets about making Flash games with a price tag on top, and put in some actual effort.
>>749941704I assume it's more to do with how social media algorithims work and stuff>Be indie dev, release a demo of your game>Game gains a lot of traction and discussion online which boosts it presence on the algorithim>Others notice, start feeding your demo into claude to produce ripoffs and release those>Abuse the algorithim to direct traffic towards the ripoffs >Eventually people get fed up and fuck off, nuking most interest in the original projectBut that's just right now. Assuming the technolgoy gets better in the future where you can make a semi-competent product just from prompts alone then it'll be even harder to break into the market.
>>749943336Irrelevant? They're still going to make bags because the majority audience are equal dipshits just happy to have a thing to play, and incapable of exercising restraint or discerning quality.
>>749933275Pretty sure they stopped doing that shit
>>749934285copyright is not there to protect the little man.
>>749933135>shitty indieslop is no longer profitableOh no, where will all the faggy devs who were only in it for the money go?
>>749943336So if I tell the AI to do a thing, and I am not happy with it, and tell it to redo it, is this not trial and error? If I arrive at a solution, see what the ai can and can't do and sort the pieces, am I not doing the exact same thing..? What is the difference between a completely identical game coded by AI, to the specifications of a design, and a game coded by programmers, to the specifications of a designer?
so he made a copy of minecraft to begin with?
>>749943846You never arrive at the solution, you arrive at "Good enough" before you lose patience.
>>749943846This is basically what anyone with an IQ above room temperature is doing. You're arguing with people who came to their conclusion without thinking and will move the goalposts to shit on AI. When you point out the water usage isn't a big deal, they point to lack of effort. When you show them the effort you're putting in they point to the water usage.Just wait for Judgement Day when Terminator robots fucking slaughter these luddites and we can live in paradise.
>>749934425If you can't copyright game mechanics then explain how Warner Bros. payented the Nemesis system and no other company can do something similar. Pr how Bandai Namco was able to patent loading screen minigames?
>>749933472Creating is an industry of iteration is redundant. What's the last original game you've played?
>>749943913Arbitrary and made up point. Most would be more likely to lose patience if they were actually spending hours writing a game system, as opposed to telling an AI to implement it and then correcting the output.
>>749944020I agree, the legion of room temperature IQs shilling for unprofitable corporations really do be doing ts, fr.
>>749933135Why no one copied GTA6 from the leaks? Literally free money
>>749944195Yeah, I agree they would. I don't want the output of an impatient and inexact creator with no vision he thinks is worth pursuing polluting the already polluted market further.
>>749943670I've seen it
>>749933275I don't make money from my 4chan posts, so why would I care?
>>749944280So you are essentially saying you want game development to be harder because if it's really hard and obtuse then only the REAL developers will make REAL games.However, if the tool already exists those same REAL developers would use it, see game engines and so on. So this isn't even an argument against using AI to make games, but rather an argument for the consequences. So how does this relate to creative tasks being about trial and error, if even those same supposed real developers would use this tool and in doing so simply achieve whatever previous result they would have, but better?
>>749943670As compared to the flood of new faggy devs only in it for the money?
>>749944494The REAL developers will use REAL methods and the sloppers will release slop cloned off of the real developers.
>we should let third worlders steal everything because uh...it'll make things better or somethingwhy do this argument get used so often?
>>749943151What year are you living in? Twitter is more openly racist than 4chan.
>>749933135You know it's not inherently because of ai. IF you all would like to listen to my short story you may be able to liken this situation to it.A long time ago we had small indie games that would pop up on phone stores, steam or things like desura evenThere were also companies that had more investments and were very corporate. ONE company in particular was called ZYNGA.ZYNGA would wait for a game to pop up, and then immediately pay a bunch of outsourced workers to make a shitty copy of it then put advertisements and banners everywhere they could.This effectively would leech any and all revenue from the original game or entirely cover it up as if it never existed. This in fact was MUCH worse than what is happening right now. What's happening now is not good but this was worse and they still do it to this day. Please prepare for the day when an ai company as bad as zynga decides to get malicious like this.
>>749944516It won't be profitable for them, either. If you want to play slop, just ask AI to make it. I even had ChatGPT make a low effort cookie clicker clone for my gf that she played for a few days.
>>749944793Never used twitter. I know Musk owns it now but you can seriously just openly use slurs and call for racial violence?
>>749944836This. It's not technically new. But also the situation is a bit different because of the scale, too. ZYNGA at least had to target games of a certain size. AI Copies can be done even faster, cheaper so they can turn a profit at smaller scales. Now, you might say something like "Oh, if your game is so easy to copy.." however these copies could take your demo, decompile the code and use this as a jumping point. You're now essentially racing somebody without headstart, the popularity signifies how likely is somebody to join the race in the first place. Previously you would at least have this headstart, but now they'll just straight up steal from you if they can, as it's impossible-ish to prove if you are not retarded.
>>749945028While you are correct, this is just that on a more sloppy scale. Clones have always existed but these people will now directly be vibecoding themselves into settlements and don't realize it. ZYNGA got their ASSES handed to them by ibm for example and had to make a big fucking payout.
Good. Games should just come out of nowhere and suprise you.
>>749944836>>749945028imagine a countless number of zyngajeet companies flooding steam with ten thousand new slopcoded games every week
Claude is killing indies and the diverse voices they bring to the medium. You're not going to appreciate the gravity of the situation until you don't even know what to play anymore because every unique idea with untold amounts of work and emotional labor put into it has a dozen sloppelgangers from some Russian who's happy to just make a couple hundred bucks and move on. Eventually, the real creative souls are just going to give up and there won't even be anyone left for AI to parasitize.
>>749944984Pretty much once the left migrated to bluesky, Twitter stopped enforcing any rules. Half the website is just racebait.
>>749944984to be fair you could do that BEFORE he bought it, but only if it was against someone who was one or more of the following: >white>christian >american >male>not 100% in line with whatever the woke crowd is currently mad about
>>749945161Steam already had to put measures in place to prevent that exact kind of thing because of jeetslop before AI was an issue.
>>749933135>also doom and doom 2 modifications... LE BAD!!!
>>749933275>hehehe, game devs are getting their hard work reverse-engineered and their livelihood fucked over? Serves them right, their suffering is like music to my ears, hehehe.........>WAIT WAIT WAIT SOMEBODY TOOK MY 4CHAN POSTS AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF THEM???? *heavy breathing* I CAN'T BREATHE, H-HELP!!!! AAAAAAAA I'M GETTING RAPED!!!! WHY WON'T ANYBODY TAKE PITY ON ME???!? IS THIS HOW THOSE DEVS FELT LIKE???? *balds millennially and dies*
>>749945101True, but lawsuits are the domain of the wealthy. I heard an alleged story of an indiegame that released a demo, and had it decompiled by the chinese. They removed the locks on the demo-content, added freemium mechanics (cashgrab pay to win type) and sold it on Douyin. Now, iirc they did indeed get Douyin to take this game down, but I fear this isn't guaranteed.You can look at the current situation with the steam game "Needle in a Haystack", where steam did indeed say they would remove the copies, but there's like 10 up currently. One of the copies is even accusing another copy of copying them, because apparently the other copy is shipping with a reference to the codebase of the original copy.. Also the reviews are botted to hell, which is crazy to me. Countless of obviously AI generated reviews from accounts with 4 games.
>>749933135Stop making arcade games that would be in the background of CSI as "generic video game" and maybe this shit wont happen.
>>749933135AI is great right up until they ask you to pay for the product made with it. I only like this shit because its free lol, if no labour was required to make it what am I paying for.
Maybe make a game that someone can't just recreate in Roblox in under a week?
>>749945167lol tranny flaggot
Stop making gamejam tier games and this won't happen
>>749933472>anon is stuck in 2023We have enough material to create anything we want at this point.
>>749946785Except anything anybody wants to play.
>>749946816I mean, this is just objectively false. There are tons of AI games on Steam, Playstore, browser games that lots of people are playing, and we're only one or two months into being able to create games with AI so easily.
>>749943228>the people that put effort into making things are the underachieversThey’re literally the people doing the most in these scenarios.
>>749946870Hahaha, you mean the games that are costing the devs money because they are using AI in the actual character interactions?
>>749945167>AI is killing indies by literally multiplying the indie games coming outherp derp
>>749945167Based.
>>749947105Anon, every indie game getting 10 clones doesn't mean the market thrives. It means that nobody gets money because nobody wants to buy slop.
>>749947036Wow, you really are one of those people who only get all their news from Reddit "gotcha" posts, right? Nevermind, don't bother replying to me.
>>749933135Death of vidya draws nearer.Soon we all will be free.
>>749946870Name 1 AI made game witb a player count greater than 3 figures wortb of bots. Just 1.
>>749935021The speed at which it happens matters because......? This has been happening for decades. Just look at hollywood, we had Antz beat A Bugs Life to market.
>>749934424jesus christ, mobile game UI makes me want to brutally murder an indian
>>749947174Ok and? Then obviously it is shit. Make good game instead.
>>749947174>muh marketare you an economist you fucking faggot? all that should matter is that there are games to play.the game you posted is a sick joke too, only retards cared about it and it having clones means nothing. it's all just garbage.
>>749947174This was already the cases before ai. Or did you forget how many threads here make fun of "yet another earthbound/rougelite/deckbuiler"
>>749944426>why should I care that I'm a retarded clown, acting like a buffoon for the ringmaster to show me off and have the audience laugh at meGee, I dunno? Self-respect? Dignity?
>>749947328>there are games to playIf nobody can make any money making games to play, and then the AI fags can't clone any ideas, where do the games come from?
1) register with US copyright office before public demo (unnecessary but helpful)2) archive developer tweets drawing direct malicious comparison3) DMCA his "work"4) if money involved, sue for damages on basis of lost sale and fictitious distribution (decompilation for personal study loses fair use clause when product is distributed), lawyers love open and shut case and may work pro bono or you could trivially represent yourself with minimally applied case law study to establish precedents for and against your argument 5) when he can't pay, collect garnishes from his wages for decadeseasy, anger doesn't get involved. in fact, he's doing me a favor! im grateful :)
>>749947383they dont need to clone ideas and people will continue to make games because game developers aren't all soulless money grubbing goblins like you're suggesting they are
>>749947487But they do need to eat. Which requires moneyYou think making a game is easy?
>>749947261Please for the love of God don't vote in the upcoming elections.
>>749947512It is with AI now.
>>749947487Developers who are money secure to the point they can spend 1000 hours doing something not particularly enjoyable for free aren't common.
>>749934457why the fuck are republicans and jeets AI slopping memes now?
>>749933472Good. Maybe then society can finally move forward and stop with circuses altogether. Societies only need bread to survive.
>>749947556But no AI games are good, so why would anybody play them?
>>749947405thisliterally every tool to protect yourself already exists, the means of decompilation are irrelevant
>>749947625>no AI games are goodAI War.
>>749947512>But they do need to eat. Which requires moneythen they should get a job>You think making a game is easy?it is now, clearly. are you retarded?>>749947568and good games are extremely rare, most games are shit despite all the security most developers have. what is your point? AI making it easier to make games will change this.
>>749947698>just spend more unpaid hours making a game that will flop over get flooded with jeet ai flips
>>749947698>AI making it easier to make games will change this.If making games is already easy and the job security for making games is already terrible, why would making games even easier make job security for making games better?
>>749947686>2009
>>749947890Technically still an ai gameYou lost
>>749947890See? Even back in 2009 AI games were good!
>>749933275Elon owes me millionsMaybe even ,billions
>>749947405>DMCAwe live in a time were the DMCA in it's original (incredibly fucked up) intent isn't nearly draconian enough
>>749933619Groomer Chad's are winning
>>749944793ive never seen a viral twitter post with nigger, pak jeets and kikes written all over it in fact im going to do it from now on and i dont care if it gets me banned because of this >>749933275
>>749933135These kind of games used to be free in flash. Now they'll be free in vibe coded
>>749947865you don't need a job to make games now you can do it efficiently whenever you want, solo, with your AI friend helping you.
>>749947625But all AI games are good.
twittershitters stopped getting paid out last month under the old system and the new system means only verified user and verified user impressions count and the posts must be "completely original or significantly transformed" to count.indrones are not going to be making any money off 4chan posts now.
>>749934457What kind of bs is that, tonnes of programmers are like the top. Only FOSS queermos are like the bottom.
>>749948080They steal those posts too. They just censor the bad words like the cowards they are.
>>749948435What's the point if nobody will see it because there are now so many other games? The only winner is the AI company as you have to pay them for the token.
>>749948762Why would there be a point? just live your life man.
>>749948327>free in vibe coded
>>749943670Why are you advocating for the death of indie games?
>>749947365>actingNah, we're all just retarded here.
>>749948762shut the fuck up you whiny bitch
>>749947914>>749947931>npc ai handcrafted in 2009 is more fun than llm coded slop today
If your game is so fucking simple some AI slopper can steal it then it wouldn't have been successful in the first place
>>749949326>minecraft
Why does /v/ have such frothing hatred towards people actually trying to learn and achieve things? You hear a guy coming up with a new idea and making it, and for some reason /v/ is on the side of the scumbag copying the idea and giving it to an AI to shit out. Not only is this second guy ruining the first guy's hard work, but he's also stealing any potential money through little to no effort of his own. He's objectively the less skilled, less scrupulous and less "good" person in this scenario, but for some reason he's the one championed here. Why is that?
>>749949457Minecraft itself was just a ripoff of infinminer. It's that notch got stupid lucky and manage to get rich off it. At least until he ended up being a washed up Ai jeet
>>749949635If the first guy actually had a good idea, he wouldn't have shared it with anyone.
>>749933135>in robloxhaah waaw
>>749949635Not like /v/ is all one person. Also you could tell /v/ literally anything and half of /v/ would defend it no matter how stupid if only to troll the other half of /v/.
>>749946971Theyre woke tranny retarded faggots who think they deserve a million in sales for fucking around in Unity for a few hours.Trump won, you lost. Get a real fucking job.
>>749933135>no more early access slopBased AI
>>749949635they are jews/commies/crabs
>>749933135Just make the art so good, that no ai slopper is going to be able to copy it. AI sloppers have incredibly shit taste, so even with ai they end up flopping horribly and turn into lolcows. Just see all the cuphead clones.
>>749934424No the obnoxious asshole in this case is a street shitty copy pasting your posts on Nwitger, which is Twitter + Nigger.Reminder if you put nigger in your post, and he copies it, it has a higher likelihood of being flagged for TOS violation and may impact the jeet's livelihood.Nigger.
>>749947405What about brown freaks in third world nations?
>>749947405the absolute state of /v/
>>749950007Brownoids are the reason why people go to lengths to protect thier own work anyway
>>749933135https://youtu.be/BmWH7q_cnU8This isn't a new problem. AI just accelerates it. AAA will never have this problem because they have the money to constantly shill their products wherever.Stardew Valley would of been raped in terms of popularity if it was made today.People were already popping out SDV clones that were vapid dogshit meant to pander to childless bpd women.
>>749950007That's easy. You contact their point of sale payment provider for accepting internationally illegal payments. It isn't legal for say, Visa, to provide him funding that is illegal or deleterious in nature. Even contested payment legally HAS to be denied. Debanking someone attempting to deprive you of your rights can actually be cheaper, but, obviously, it has an economic impact so it's the less preferable route when a simple suit (with a quick settlement) is much preferable. Whenever you try to settle, you can and should demand wages to be garnished until the amount is paid in full, and if they intentionally avoid work local authorities can deal with them swiftly. Don't worry, anon. Swift legal compensation is just a phonecall away. You have rights, and they're yours to protect.
>>749949684That's how it used to work. Share your game idea to generate interest and gain followers.Now you have to hide it which means it will be much harder to succeed as no one will know about your game when it is released. On top of that copycats will still create copies as soon as your game starts to gain traction.
>>749944195By writing the system, you would also understand how you can adjust it. You can't avoid understanding if you want to make something worthwhile. Not even saying you can't make something good with AI, but you might have to drop down to manual editing instead of re-prompting. Most AI bros will get bored long before they reach decent quality.There's a reason why you skip over AI galleries on panda.
>>749949802>learn to code faggot>actually we're just gonna take your shit with AIHearts and minds
>>749950450>SDVWhat? For a second there I thought you were talking about Super Deep Throat because that actually is true in that context too.
>>749933135Why would you sell an incremental progress game on steam?
>>749951124Tedium games are all the fad as a normie-style alternative to Factory and the like.
There's been wall punching incrementals on roblox for years though. Here's one old enough that it used a one punch man parody as a thumbnail for promotion, but one one punch man meant something.
>>749951245Okay yeah, but they are fucking free on Roblox. And they are a rare case where the non-Roblox equivalents aren't necessarily better games.
>>749933135>How do you respond without sounding mad?Beethoven went through this. According to the stories people tell, he would improvise some new pieces at public presentations, and the very next day, there were already artists "releasing" their own songs based on his improvisations.But Beethoven was still incredibly successful. Why? Because he wasn’t just some nobody making music anonymously.The solution, then, is to cultivate your image as an artist from the start.I've had a Patreon for 10 years, with several thousand followers (though the number of paying subscribers is much smaller than the total number of followers). If one of my games gets copied, it'll basically be free advertising for me, since I already have a somewhat established name, and anyone with any self-respect who likes a piece of work will at least try to find out who the real creator behind it is.The idea is to build a viable career, not just release games and hope that some of them go viral...
>>749949635/v/ is just in constant contrarian mode. Even if the contrary point of views don't align with each other.
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>>749933472People weren't creating games in the 60s and society was just fine.
I just googled it and there's Punch Wall games from 2025.
>>749951351Normies don't play Roblox, children do.
>>749933135Jews literally gave AI to Jeets for many evil reasons. One of them was to flood and destroy the indie and modding scene.
>>749951381It's unfortunate that most artists do not have the skill to market or sell themselves.That's why these music corpos have so much power over singers and will snuff out anybody that even thinks about making their own label.
>>749949635Some losers are resentful.In fact, this is one of the problems with bullying. The person who is bullied is usually weaker physically and mentally, and the abuse can lead to a bitter and resentful personality. This bunch of autistic fags turning into trannies, for example, are people who harbor resentment toward their own identity, their own gender, and society itself.I'm against bullying for this very reason, by the way. Not because the weak should be protected, but because the strong should act with integrity and understand that severely mistreating the weak breeds resentment, something no one in a healthy society wants.
>>749951553People have been creating games for millennia.
>>749951772The AI sloppers are ceding the indie/modding market over to corpos and subscription services via AI and it brings me tangible disgust. All under the false premise that we are entering a "golden age" where people are literally getting more stupid and they are cheering on the creation of a police state that will inevitably use AI to strangle their alleged freedom.
>>749951553Look at this nigga not knowing how cutthroat the board game industry was
>>749952009You're literally just a deranged communist seething at success, paying no mind to what people are creating with the service they're paying for. There's no joy in your heart.
>>749952124tell me about the cutthroat 1960s board game industry anon
>>749952220I fucking hate communism. You are signing away your freedom for digitized izzat and constantly spout communist idealism against corporations while enslaved to a corporation's subscription service, too blind to see the writing on the wall that you won't be able to get local models in 5-10 years without landing on a government list, if you'll even be able to run it on dramatically overpriced and underpowered consumer hardware.
>this is why 5090rtx is 6.000 usdsay thank you for the sloppa!
>>749952446You are literally a communist crying about some random AI company while seething about a supposed fascistic government.
>>749952538Why is everything politics with you? You are ideologically captured with absolutely no ability to think further than what you'll have for dinner tomorrow.
>>749949802bot post
>>749951772>and modding scene.modding scenes already self destructed thanks to the troon horde tho
>>749952594the irony
So how would YOU market a game now, /v/? What are you supposed to do if AI can take your ideas in an instant?
>>749953169>no u
>>749946816So it's only marginally better than AAA devs.
>>749953203Make the MC a loli. AI is allergic to lolis, much like normalfags.
>>749933135At least sloppers won’t be able to make money off their prompts
>NOOOOO THE INDIE SCENE IS DEADAm i taking crazy pills? You faggots have always hated indie games. >low budget trash>just chasing fads>retro slop>made by devs who never experienced anything etc etcyou faggots make 500 post threads talking about how much indie games suck and our made by troons or leftists but now that AI exist you're scared that they'll vanish? Give me a fucking break
>You faggots have always hated indie games.Why invent lies catered to the loud minority?
>>749953545You can literally look in the archives right now you gaslighting faggot
>>749953603Gaslighting is exactly what you're doing. Nobody cares what fucking tourists think and /v/ is not one person. They segregate themselves in their shithole threads while everyone else talks about indies normally.
>>749933135Yes. The future of software is posting an idea on X, and someone else tells their agent to do that thing.
>>749953274that's what you did you dumbass
>>749953712You're such a fucking retard.
>>749933135If your human-made game was better, it wouldn't matter
>>749953709Sounds like the only winners here are the corporations running the AI agents.
>>749953648Oh the irony. As if I can't post a single indie game without it being accused of it being an earthbound clone. Or a rougelite or a metroid clone.Funny how the "/v/ is isn't one person defense" only gets used when you can prove beyond a doubt that a general board consensus was reached long ago. You faggots wanted AI to kill indies. And it did. Now you're crying about it? This is literally the future you asked for
Roblox audience are different to normal gamers, they weren't going to play your game anyways
>>749953785Doubling down on the same shit won't work.
>>749953743>MUH FREEDOM MUH POLICE STATE this is you seething about politics >MUH CORPOS AND CAPITALISMthis is you being a commie
>>749953841I accept your concession. Enjoy the AI slop future you wanted so badly.
>>749953785>As if I can't post a single indie game without it being accused of it being an earthbound clone. Or a rougelite or a metroid clone.Tell me how Poke ALL Toads is any of those.
>>749933472AI does create though, everything you see made from it had some level of Human input before and/or after its creation.
>>749953848>FREEDOM BAD!Freedom isn't politics, you're a thirdworlder.>CorposWhat about them?>CapitalismMeds.
>>749953495I always thought indie game hate came from consolefags, since most indie games are on pc. Now that pc gaming is mainstream, I feel like that sentiment has reversed. But, that just the usually /v/ contrarianism isn't it?>>749953709>Instead of begging a coder or artist to make something, you now go to beg to a promptor to make somethingJust reminds me of all those collab projects that get filled with ideafags that don't do shit and doesn't have any ability to even structure and lead a team to do shit.
>>749953709>tell Claude to make a mock-up video of your dream game>post it on twitter>some dumb jeet will spend his tokens slopcoding it>you get to play your game without putting in any work
>>749954064>he never releases it because it was purely made for twtter engagement bait and is actually so terrible to play that it would get refunded too much
>make a shitty game with no proper game design.>gets copied by AIHave you thought about making a good game instead?
>>749953992It's impressive how fucking retarded you are. You can't even understand what's coming out of your own mouth. Typical useful idiot.
>>749954146>literally no argument>tries to call other people useless retards
>>749948762yeah what's the point in doing anythingjust sit there posting on 4chan and feeling sorry for yourself
>>749954194>maybe if I pretend I didn't say those things then I didn't say them then I win
>>749954235>maybe if I intentionally "misunderstand" a post I can evade ego damage+5 rupees to your account
>>749954289stay mad and insane you gay communist
>>749933135Good. No more devs teasing you like a tsundere high school girl. Build the game or FUCK OFF.
>>749953330This is one of the biggest upsides for me
>>749954359Communism is a terrible ideology with no future and a failed past. Gays should be deported to the United Khanate, formerly known as the United Kingdom.
>>749954064>>749954127>Getting someone to make something with their skills for (you)>Costs no one nothing but time and energy>Getting someone to use their tokens to make something for (you)>Cost money and time they could of spent making unfinished weg game #649927If anything the promptors will listen to ideafags even less than other person.Who wants to spend money on someone else's dream game? I wish that was the case because I could get a publisher with concepts alone.
Tim Sweeny keeps crying his eyes out about Steam but it's obvious Robloxchads are the real monopoly.
>>749954675The children on roblox coding with fucking lua are more competent than Epic's devs.
>>749954619this post falls flat when you realize almost everything people have made with claude 5.5 is like open source, whether its a resource for other claudefags for the AI to use or a recomp/mod/game they usually release for free lol
You can't even legally copyright ai code lmao how are you going to make any money off AI stuff?
>>749954675I'm sure I've seen him pissing his pants over Roblox at least once.
>>749933135I don't. I would never take the side of fools. Maybe learn how to code with AI so you don't get left behind?>But I want to ride my horse to work! Cars are dangerous!
>>749955041You don't have to copyright something to be able to charge for it, retard-kun.
>>749955041By scamming people and hoping they don't catch on. Btw here's my legally distinct [INDIE GAME] that looks suspiciously like [OTHER INDIE GAME] but a bunch of the code is obviously AI.
>>749934738Roblox is a nigger platform that's available on literally every device kike children have their hands on (except Switch somehow)Steam is a PC-only platform
When will indie devs realize they don't own their games? Everything is open source and public domain now.
>>749955108Doesn't change the fact that courts have said AI slop doesn't count as actual creative works retardGODJust because a bunch of pajeets spend money on ai slop they could have genned themselves doesn't mean its suddenly real work
>>749955041by selling it?
>>749952325dungeons and dragons? are you fucking retarded or just pretending?>inb4 AKSHUTALLY THAT WAS THE 70S
The real test would be doing this to a triple-A game
>>749955308Lol, if that worked you'd get dogpiled with imitators
>>749933607>Claude remove the no-no words you find please, thank you! :)
>>749955238>courts have said AI slop doesn't count as actual creative works>doesn't mean its suddenly real workNone of this is relevant to what you're bitching about. They can still make money off of it, I don't know how you're failing to understand this.
>>749955140The only surefire way to make sure that you don’t give a cent to lazy Indians/trannies or whatever the fuck is to pirate EVERYTHING and pay for NOTHING. Some legit devs might lose out on revenue, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take.
>>749955458Obvious deficiency is obvious and not worth my rupees
Bruh if its this easy where are my switch 2 hacksIts all fake.
>>749954756But, mean for creating something new. If you're making something like a mod, you will have people that are actually invested in that game. Not just "my super unique idea for a game" that people will at most have a passing interest in. Of course things like recomps and mods would be released for free. Or less they would be nuked by a million cease & desists. (pic related) Though, I not sure the guy was selling his game.>>749954675>>749954735>>749955156Of course, Roblox unironically uses child labor for their games.
>>749955238>appeal to authorityi dont give a fuck what courts say.
I don't understand how AI could copy an entire game. If AI can capture the entire essence of your game with just a screenshot or 30 second clip there wasn't much video game to begin with. If your game was Super Mario Bros 3 when it was brand new and you only showed the first level how could it produce you the rest of the game?
>>749955439and...?
Based af. No more patreon bucks for you indie faggots. Either release a full game or have it fucking stolen.
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>>749933135This is dumb.If just by sharing the early preview people are able to make a clone for other platforms and that apparently is enough to kill it then all you had was the idea.Things like game design, balancing and gameplay mechanics that aren't surface level are all things that AI (or anyone else) can't copy just by seeing trailers/screenshots.FFS, people used to make lazy assets flips in Unity all the time, it's not a new problem.Just keep developing your game, ignore the copycats (or, even better, use them to see where the issues with your basic gameplay loop are) and then publish it anyway. It's not like anyone other than retarded kids and pedos play Roblox anyway, so unless that's your main audience why should you care?
>>749955724I could explain it for you but you're underestimating what AI is going to be able to do and that's something you should work on instead since that'll be more relevant than some retard copying shitty indie games lol.
>>749934045Actually Elon axed the program a couple months ago. It got replaced with some other shit but at least now fecaloids can't just scrape websites and earn thousands of dollars for reposting content. One of the few good things to happen with him at the helm.
>>749955801>all you had was the ideaNo they had a game and they were making it.
>>749948590their "services" can still be bought to shill products
>>749950450Stardew was already a copy of Harvest Moon. But AI can't copy the characters and writing if you don't show them.
>>749955805NTA, but explain it anyway cause I too have trouble with it.AI can copy the basic gameplay loop, but it cannot copy things that aren't shown.And in the example of that anon, SMB has lots of mechanics that aren't shown in the first level, not to mention the game design of the levels.
>>749934045but that was a good thing, it won the culture war
>>749955724there is no content to these kind of gamesit's a basic mechanic with incremental progression and maybe random upgrades slapped on to it
>>749955906The they should continue, why would they stop?
>>749956031Who said they were stopping?
>>749953995>since most indie games are on pc.after the third year of the switch on the market or so, every single indie worth playing gets a switch port after recouping some money off steam, which is how indies can get popular now because the switch recommendation algorythm actually works for some people, unlike steam which seemingly recommends you random shiteven a lot of those not worth playing get switch ports nowalso the entire indie boom happened in the first place due to the xbox live arcadeso what in the absolute fuck are you on about nigger?
>>749955805Then why doesn't AI take a trailer of any upcoming video and make a clone of it? With all the footage they showed of GTA there's no way you could produce the rest of the game. You don't know the missions, story, characters, weapons, vehicles, locations, music, or anything else.
>>749956051The first line of that tweet.
>>749955984Well Anon. First of all you're discounting viral memeslop game indies which live and die by their quaint little idea. Second, they might just take everything that's visible and race you to a release. So yes, the game's worse and 1/10 finished but they release what's in your demo, first. And then they can still slop together levels after that. Also current AI is surprisingly competent at level design, insofar it produces playable if not very inspired design for most things. That's still a mediocre competitor in the same genre racing you. Also often times they will on purpose make it easy to mistake yours for theirs, so you'll have to DMCA them and stuff.
>>749955984AI can look at a video and reconstruct everything in it, or it can look at the code and rewrite it all, or it can write code for whatever the fuck you tell it to write code for. It's not perfect but it's getting fucking close.But more to your point it CAN create things it hasn't seen, it can easily extrapolate the rest of the game and make it an infinite content simulator.>>749956085People have been doing that but like I said you should be thinking about where we're heading. Do you think in 50 years AI wouldn't be able to imagine up what we'll see in GTA6, and more? Current AI can already model entire cities with 100% enterable and decorated cities. Something GTA 6 probably didn't manage.
>>749947328yeah the market being filled with low quality bootlegs didn't lead to a massive industry crash the first time, lets do it again with tech that also makes all the parts more expensive too
>>749945328Lmao
