Here's a great one.
I remember using him.But I was a dumb kid. And don't remember what he even contributed as a party member.
>>749943338He has damage and heals, but nowhere as much as characters dedicated to those roles.Though I think there's some setup with him where he kills the superboss of the game in like two turns?
>>749943076I'm playing FF9 for the first time right now and I'm using him because he's got either the highest or the second highest HP on my team
>>749943076What the fuck was the point of him?Why do ALL final Fantasy games fall apart in the last third? Why are they ALL unfinished?!
>>749943338he's sleeper op
>>749944036Who the fuck cares about HP?If your team doesn't consists of>Zidane>Steiner>Vivi>Garnetyou fucked up
>only useful if you follow a certain sphere path for him>you have to constantly steal moves to make his limit break useful >acts like a bitch to Tidus early on so most people don't level him up in the beginning >by the time you can make him good enough, the game is already ending>is the cuck of the Ronso tribe, a manlet and a hornlet
>>749943076Halsin.
>>749944421lil kimari ronsoHOOOORRRRNLEETT
>>749944421He would've been super busted if they hadn't made blue magic into his limit break.
>>749944104nice magic defense bro
>>749944421Absolute bitch. You think he's like the silent, wise warrior and then you find out that he's basically a teenager who ran away from home, because he didn't want to apologize after losing a fight he started.
>>749943076I always remember because I thought he looked really cool and was super disappointed with him.
>>749943076Haschel from Legend of Dragoon.
>>749943076
>>749944143Japanese media in general is like that. They can come up with cool set ups, but can't resolve things to save their lives and 90% of the stories they write peak in the first act only to end on a wet fart.
>>749944104Shits out DMG in human or DRG form. His magic defense weakness is easily shored up with buffs or armor.
More like, the 150h game doesn't give you enough time to level her up.Funniest thing is that Royal doesn't fix this. She's just as useless there.
>>749944248This until Eiko joins, then Garnet gets the bench
>>749944468I used Halsin in my last playthrough and he was really good. Air Myrmidon transform is insane you get like 6 attacks that each stun every turn
>>749944880Bro, your psy damage?
>>749944104Albert and Kongol was my main party lol
>>749943868What game?
>>749945106shining force
>>749944421HORNLESS
>>749944831>cool set ups, but can't resolve things to save their lives and 90% of the stories they write peak in the first act only to end on a wet fart.Sounds about right, yes
>>749945015Jaheira is also a druid elf THOUGH, you actually recruit her into your party proper before Halsin too.
>>749943076I used him, but I've always been a fan of the 'monk' class.
>>749943338He hits really really hard, but he's in a game where like 3 party members have guaranteed 9999 damage moves for like 10 mp.
>>749943076I used him.
>>749944421>the entire combat system is built around each character specializing in something that makes them strong against certain types of enemies>"lets add a character that doesnt specialize in anything lmao"
Monsters in general throughout the first 5 games, although they tried to fix this with magichange. I have to admit that I haven't played past 6 so maybe monsters are better there now.
>Either does more damage or more magic damage>Takes 3 different forms based off a calorie meter that requires you to drain enemies/bosses>Regardless of the form you take, she'll take a pink bat form that does double damage but has half hp eventuallyNot actually terrible, but is way to random, literally anyone else is better for either extreme, you want big damage? Use Frank, you want big magic? Mao or Ricardo got you.
>summons are too weak for how much MP they consume>her white magic is just straight up worse than the other white mage in the game
>>749944880they should’ve made her like naoto and give her a bunch of really strong skills to compensate for how late into the game you get her
>>749943868He just joins way too late. Like, the second to last battle or something absurd like that.
>>749944421>lets make a BLUokay nice>where there spells..please no>are tied...not this shit again>TO THEIR LIMIT BREAK
>>749944880One of the best in Strikers and Tactica though.
>>749946081FFXI was the best version of blue mage.
>>749945963Vanilla Naoto was pretty bad too so it seems Fatlus learned something from that happening and just forgot right away.
Only helpful in one optional fight, a liability everywhere else.
>>749945726Monsters are objectively bad in 1 (but that didn't stop me from training a Succubus and a Nekomata). But in 2 their passive ability starts to justify them. By Disgaea 5 (or maybe sooner, I don't remember) they do more with dual-classing abilities which means there's very specific reasons to train them.
The most boring man in the entire game.
>>749946189Factually wrong, V and VII have the crown locked for not kneecapping fun unlike whatever the fuck VIII, IX, and X did. They got some sense back in X-2 and XI but not enough
>>749944858>Shits out damageHis Additions have the worst multipliers in the game by a massive margin and he's lucky to move half as often as everyone else. Meru does more physical damage than him in the same time span.
>>749943076didn't they have plans for this guy to have a big story arc but they had to scrap it to fit the deadline?
>>749945724>>749944421I think FFX is far and away the best mainline FF in terms of gameplay and story but Kimahri is so obviously a furry quota that they slapped on at the last minute. They don't even hide it by making him cold and silent, the rest of the game had already been written.He adds nothing to the game. It's frustrating because X seemed like the first game in the series where the main cast all had plot-relevance instead of being "introduce character and then they just follow you around for the rest of the game".Probably also explains why gameplay-wise he does nothing, the game was probably balanced around the other 6 characters, slapping on another character would force a full rework if he was breakable so just make him shit.
>>749943076I tried using him, but IIRC he shows up pretty late and the rest of the cast is all great and had lots of time to build up
>>749944248But I really wanna sex the rat. Can’t I include her?
>>749944880She's really good if you go all in on her gun skills, since almost no enemies resist them. Her issue is that she learns way too many skills that are good on paper like the reflects, but if you try to keep them all her move set will be a mess and she'll struggle to accomplish anything.
hope you didn't ignore this asshole and you're ready for his 1v1 phase with the final boss
>>749944248Eiko>Garnet in most casesBut Garnet has more summons at least
>>749946471The best team is Zidane, Steiner, The Rat and Vivi, equip all of them with armor that absorbs dark and heal with Vivi's last magic, the other 3 spam attack
>>749944880I found myself benching Yusuke and Morgana more than her
>>749944880Nah. You get her at a good level, she crushes the dungeon you get her at because of psy affinity and she's just really good in general.Plus p5 is a game where your party members gain exp even if you don't fight so there's no reason not to use her sometimes even if you don't want her as a mainstay.
>>749946574I hate him for introducing that barrier garbage into the fights.
>>749943076Has to be posted every time this thread comes up
>>749945726In 6, monsters and humanoids are effectively identical since one of that game's many flaws is that there aren't any weapon skills. In 7 they're back to how they were in the previous games, but with no magichange to give them utility to make up for their inability to learn weapon skills. Some specific monsters are really good, like the little zombie girls getting a free revive per map, but humanoids are still on top.
>>749944036regen + haste matter the most in ff9, you don't need 9999 hp, i think i had garnet with ~6000hp by the end of the game, and she tanked the final boss thanks to the long cinematic scenes between actions, by the time the boss attacks again the regen + haste gets you back to full.
Useless throughout most of the game. Never even bothered leveling her
>>749946295But what about FF6 Gau? He had lots of cool stuff, hundreds of those enemies to learn skills from to see what new wacky shit you'd learn next. he had so many slots of enemies to learn from, you'd have to write down what stuff they did or just remember the really awesome ones
>>749944421>Make you go solo against his two brothers while underleveled because no one uses himThey knew, didn't they?
>>749946941>I'm cheesed to meet you.
>>749946214>If you don't use him for all DDS2, you're actively gimping yourselfFucking Atlus.
if you played the game before, that is
>>749946941xii doesn't have any useless characters as it much depends on what jobs you give them. fran was my strongest.
>One of the best party members in Like a Dragon>Joins you in the final chapter, just before the 2nd to last dungeon in Infinite WealthWhy even include him
>>749947197I wasn't spoiled, but this guy had "temporary party member" written all over him from the start. I still used him anyway, because I figured it would be my only chance to see him in action.
>>749945963Vanilla Naoto was bad and even in Golden, she only really only exists to exploit weaknesses in mobs. She's largely useless against bosses and has the lowest damage ceiling in the game because she doesn't truly specialize in anything and Almighty is awful except against very specific enemies.
>>749946970Gau isn't a BLU, he's a BST. FF6 had Strago and his spells were kind of mediocre. Rippler is the only really funny one
>>749946941Aren't all the characters basically identical anyway so you can just use whoever you like? I do remember something about them having different animation speeds for various weapon types though I don't know if it's enough to matter.
>Special moves require ammo>Also require TP, which slowly charge during battle and don't carry over between fights>Even if you're comfortable using some shotgun ammo or rockets, by the time you're actually able to use them the fight's almost over anywayMeanwhile the character everyone dogs on for being worthless in-universe is top-tier in gameplay.
>>749944104I used Kongol in my latest playthrough. He isn't terrible, but he does take a lot of magic damage and the final bosses do a shit ton of magic attacks that make him scary to use.
>>749943076This gaynigger, everyone hated him
>>749947614he has access to some good early MP damage
>>749947386She is however the only party member that gets Mind Charge in vanilla 4, and in Golden she gets it through her social link while Yukiko gets it as her last Bike skill.
>>749947614nah i used him he was too good not to use mid game
>>749947614I don't hate him, I am just not willing to part with the ninja lady.
>>749947453Damn, I forgot about Strago...now that you mention it, BST doesn't get much love. Could be a a cool challenge run in FFT vanilla or modded
>>749947614I used him to MP kill. Also he has weird tsundere events with Fayt
>>749947614Looks hot, is his game good?
>>749947640>>749947720>>749947747>Not using Maria+Cliff+Nel>>749947727This anon knows his shit
>>749947806The entire plot of Expedition 33 badly plagiarized his game
>>749947868there are certain boss fights he can kill in seconds even on higher difficulties
>>74994307690% of everyone in Chrono Cross. The game loves constantly dumping new party members on you to bench instantly and forget they exist. Even worse how the majority of them have nothing unique making them outclassed by someone else of the same element. Even worse with how the leveling system works means they will never catch up in stats unless you go out of your way to grind them up. Then again the game is so piss easy outside of two specific bosses that you can just use whoever you want.
>>749947806The combat system is obtuse at first (tri ace game) but very fun if you can get into it.
>>749947679Mind Charge can't actually make up for the lack of Boost and Amp. Passives stack multiplicatively. Mind Charge can make Naoto's Megidolaon hit for 2.5x damage every two turns, but Fire Boost and Fire Amp together make Maragidyne hit for 1.875x damage every turn she uses it. And remember, Megidolaon has low damage values in P4, despite having a much higher SP cost.So even with Mind Charge, Naoto can't hit as hard as Yukiko or even Teddie, despite needing more resources than either.
>>749947025They absolutely knew, it's why the Ronso duo he has to solo scale to Kimahri's stats.
>>749947614I have no idea if he was good or not, because for me his AI was always bugged out and he would just sit in the corner doing absolutely nothing no matter what I'd set his tactics to do.
>>749947202>only purpose is that shes a cat lady>is a complete shrew
>>749946941...Are you gay?
>>749947460They do, for the most part it's negligeable, but ironically Balthier, who starts with a rifle has the slowest rifle animation in the game by a wide margin making him the worst suited for it.
>>749943076I named his ass BnchWarmr.
>>749947941The games have fucking nothing in common unless you're implying that SO3 was the first piece of media to ever have a meta twist, which would confirm what I already believed about SO3 fans' intelligence.
>>749948350This anon has zero ability to identify patterns
He does paperwork, thats it.
>>749948472you could fill these threads only with trails characters
>>749948572In the cold steel games for fucking sure, that cast is too ridiculously large and most characters have 0 plot past their first game. Don't think you can say say that about the crossbell games or the daybreak ones doe
>>749946941Fran is just weird to me. Apparently, the game designer or lead developer behind FFX worked on FFXII as well and I take it as that he hates the one non-human party member.Yes, you can pretty much use any character in FFXII, they all work, they are all fine.But Fran really doesn't do anything good. She has lower magic stats than the other two girls and no other strengths to make up for it. She has the highest Vitality of all of them, which is a meh stat overall, and at maximum levels, other characters beat her. You would think that her race would be well-suited for having the highest speed, but she even fails at that.I used all characters, switching between them, leveling them equally. And I always controlled Fran when she was available because slim brown bunny butt. But damn, did I wish she was actaully good at somethimg. Made her a red mage/ninja (or whatever that dagger-class was called).
>>749948315>>749943076funnily enough, both used in the speedruns of their respective games, although cait sith is so obnoxious to use they made a new category that everyone runs instead
just why
>>749949657I only used her because she was really hot.
I have never seen a single screenshot with a tank cat in it nor a conversation talking about it. I'm 100% people start ditching them once cleric (and later butcher, and even later still fighters bred to have good constitution) is on the table.
Yes
Junah in Metaphor Refantazio kind of, if I had to say one. Her default class wasn't for me, but reclassing her to any class heavily relying on magic stats, worked out.
If you consider them as party members, I'd bet a vast majority of pokemon past the first three or four gyms of any given game go completely unused by 90% of players, especially if it's something you need to go well out of your way for.
>>749944421I remember following a build on expert grid which got him utility WHM like dispel and reflect for Seymour fights early on, he'd get a lot of magic along the way and you'd grab focus>use it 5 times>fire-breathing shit like the mi'hen sinspawn for 5000 damage on all body partsFun but a novelty for the effort needed.
>>749949657She's like the hottest chick in the game so I used her.
>>749952331This is very true. It's almost baffling that they harp on about muh friendship or muh training and then expect you to bench the scrappy Route 1 gutter trash you caught as if they didn't have your back when you were at your very weakest.
>>749946471Why the fuck thought this? She's one of the best characters in combat.>>749947614Nobody hated this guy, he was just as broken overall as spamming side kick. He was the one true mp killer
Here is an actual unknown
>>749952331monster catchers like that are a bit of an exception I think since the whole point is that you can get any enemy as a playable character. Of course the dev's aren't going to be able to make 100+ characters all balanced and worth using, but you'll still catch them all anyways for the dumb certificate.
>>749946471>>749944248It's pointless to min-max this game. It's designed so that even toddlers can beat it.
>>749953921I liked what they did with him in the remake where he always had access to the most damaging triple attack's.
>>749946574You needed to bring him to trigger some hunts anyway, but shame they don't have a dedicated area to get a feel of him like they've done with every other character.
>>749947614I wanted to like this guy because I thought he'd be like Dias from 2, but he was just a massive bitch at all times.
>>749947614I thought he was the coolest motherfucker in the universe but I was in my chuuni phase. The real "nobody uses" is Audrey, who the fuck wants a gay old man on their party.
>>749953689It's not just that, it's also the fact that by the early-middlegame you've probably already settled on 6 pokemon that are working out well enough as is and outpacing wild captures by a wide enough margin that bringing on a new member is more trouble than it's worth.
>>749954237I remember being excited to use Audrey because big samurai dude with a katana and looks like a mentor figure, just to find out he's some gimmick character who hits MP and casts spells who completely disappears from the story the moment he joins you. And I too went for Albel for exact same reason.
>>749954237IDK why they put that useless fuck in the party and not his daughter who is actually relevant to the game plot.
>>749946742Please tell me monsters can still lift and throw in 7. I finally got around to playing 6 and I love this change so much. I've always tried to use at least one monster in every playthrough, and IMO this is way better than the gimmicky stuff like Magichange.
>>749954523I'd say because we already have Nel fill her spot/niche, but then I am looking at Cliff and Mirage and it didn't stop them from joining together.
>>749954089>t. never landed on the sheep island
Sophia can delete entire room with Ultima.Ash is a bit random, but if he manages to unleash a charged axe combo hit you can see the results.Neon is just giga tanky and just refuse to die.This MF keep standing still and tossing 50 dmg shurikens on several dozen of thousands HP enemy bosses. No matter the gear, no matter the job, I can't pull anything out of him.
>>749947579This but with eyeballchad/knight commander.Mebius really falls off once he returns and gets mogged by the Trap and others with his magic knight gimmick, and it's tragic that you can't use him in the bonus dungeon or to grind against Monkeys. At least they get THAT fight during the last chapter.Diana really was kinda meh outside of what, her TP regen skill?
>>749946189>play Beastmaster>limited number or pets available for Call Beast>skills activate at random and require TP>never invited to parties>Blue Mages show up>they get all my best skills that I can't use 99% of the time, and can spam them at will>invited to every partyHate you fuckers so much.
>>749954523>>749954760>>749954237>According to the Star Ocean 20th Anniversary Memorial Book, Clair was initially intended to be playable, but they ultimately decided to make Adray Lasbard playable in the Director's Cut release as a "joke character" instead, partly because the party's male-to-female ratio was poor, and partly because Clair's popularity made SO3's head developer (Hiroshi Ogawa) feel "complicated" since he's "firmly Team Nel." Unlike Mirage Koas, who was part of the story in the original version of the game, Adray is a completely original character who was not present in the original version of the game.
>>749954826People actually use party members in Jack's game?
>>749955025>making your game worse over waifu loyaltyyeah that sounds like tri-Ace bullshit
His elemental overlap with the protag ruins him for any real use, and despite being a literal fucking space alien he somehow has one of the least memorable quests and affects of all the possible party members, even that fucking twig
>>749955096Usually I play solo, but sometimes I like to pick them from bench. It's another layer of gameplay and a bit more content to do (in terms of making builds for them) so why not?
>>749952331In Pokemon's case, there are some interesting examples of Pokemon the devs clearly intended you to use at least once but are kind of shit. Obviously some starters and shitmons like Castform, but there's more specific examples.Like the free Lucario you get in XY. It's utterly pointless because you can already catch Riolu early on, and the IV system in those games means Korrina's Lucario is all but guaranteed to be inferior to any Lucario you may already have.
>>749955713Doesn't he have a strong fuck-off gun though? I remember using him in my last Cross run and had a good time, far from worst party member I've used across all my runs.
>>749944780Literally everyone uses him. He's the second fastest character in a game where speed is the most overpowered stat
>>749947248The chars still have traits and fran is the weakest in the game, I still use her everytime regardless.
>loses the asahi hai and takatsunomiya kinen>slacker>fails an 8%Goddamnit, well I think I'll just put Maru over Biko since she does fucking nothing
>>749955841Never said he was the worst, just that he is basically never used.
>>749945863Well, that other white mage isn't available until halfway through the game, so there's that.
>>749943076I used him and the one other kid I know who played FFIX also used him
>>749956215I know what you mean, just trying to hold a conversation.
>>749955713no way. bet you dont even know that this guy is in the game
Umaro from FF6 what with him unable to equip magicite gimping his stat gains and being unable to change his equipment and he's permaberserk making him attack random targets
>heh time my solo romp through Highfort, hope you niggers didn't bench me for the entire game
>>749947727you can still have nel and abel as long as you dont recruit roger or peppita but by the time you get the second character its going to be really late in game
>>749956374Ah right yeah. I mean, he's got some decently strong tech which is why I still used him, but it's a pretty big sacrifice to have that overlap. At least the game isn't hard enough to really punish you for it.I'm not even sure how many players bothered to unlock him though. I'd be curious to see if there's any real listup of what party invite rates look like with some of the side members.Sorry, years of posting on /v/ have left me terminally unable to hold a conversation on the internet.
>>749954760yeah but both cliff and mirage are awesomecliff is your big muscle bro and mirage is a big muscle lady
>>749956563Thanks for the image anon, I was wonder how the optional recruitment worked for 2nd slot. I remember rejecting Peppita as a kid by accident and then later try to get either Nel or Roger, but never finding how and as a result ended up with only 7 recruits.
>>749956583That would be nice, if only Cross was on Steam with some kind of tracker similar to Persona 5.
>>749955713>three Acacia Dragoons>one is one of the strongest characters in the game and arguably your rival for part of it>one is a powerful mage gothloli>one is completely average and unbelievably homosexualobviously in a game where there's a lot of characters nobody uses, nobody ESPECIALLY used Zoah.
>>749945726>1Mostly awful, but the fastest baal kill relies on capturing them, and a small handful of monsters are pretty damn solid>2Probably the worst monsters have ever been. No reason to use any monster whatsoever besides preference, and occasional shenanigans with their innates>3Magichange offers an interesting way to eke usage out of monsters, but not really. Also a really bad game for monsters. >4Monsters are low key the best units in the game. Fusion is super busted. >DD2Monsters are genuinely pretty damn good for the main game playthrough, DD2 rewards bulkier units more than almost any other game, and monsters trend bulkier in general. Mounting is like shitty lift and throw. The average humanoid is worse than the average monster, I think. That said, monsters are completely, absolutely non-viable for Baal. >5I think this game has the best parity between humanoids and monsters, bar 6 for stupid reasons>6"Monster" has no meaning. There is functionally no difference between humanoid and monster in this game, besides the large monsters. >7It's pretty close in 7, humanoids are still better but this one is a lot like 5 in near parity between them.
>>749956937IN HINDSIGHTZOAH IS ABSOLUTELY JUST ONE OF THE GAY CUSTODIANS FROM EMPEROR TTS
>>749956527Pretty much everyone in the party has a part where you're required to use them IIRC. Except Bleu of course.
>>749955713>>749955841>>749956583I used him too in my only playthrough of Cross. I never even got Glenn, go figure.
>>749943076VC is close enough for this so I choose this bitch. She's a scout which is by far the strongest unit type in the game. Ridiculous movement and armed with high damage precision fire rifles. Characters have positive and negative traits that grant them bonuses or debuffs if the conditions are met. Stuff like a country boy getting a buff in a forest or a nerd getting debuffed by allergies in a grass field. Enter Susie. Who has a debilitating debuff with an incredibly high chance to activate when she attempts to shoot an enemy which will cancel her attack and immediately end her turn leaving her right in the line of fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmBELLWn7_MThe game has some other bad characters but she is a useless nuisance.
>>749956937Hes the best single target yellow damage huge HP and is in contention with Leah for best yellow overall. She has a better grid but you get her a little bit later on. Karsh is only good in runs where you dont get Glenn and probably razzly is better. Marcy is good but Leena and Fargo are more overall useful when you dont need to DPS a red boss down. in a game with turnip pip and van you picked one of the more memorable ones that actually is good
>>749947202I would have thought she'd be good since she gets jedi levels from the ground up but I wouldn't know because like everyone else I'm not using her ever. Not with Bindo right fucking there and Bastila.
>>749947340>Can solve his entire character story on the Ebon hawk in a single conversation chain.It's like they knew.
>>749943338Damage dealer with decent speed and HP pool
>>749958058Last two times I played, I actually went out of my way to use Homeworld and Another World Van and he was a surprisingly fun party member, same with few others like Radius and Viper. Rather like his and Radius' story too.The only ones I haven't really used are Pip, Draggy, and NeoFio.
>>749946214i hated this fag so much. the dub gave him the most retarded voice too
>>749953689What's the alternative though? Giving you access to 5 masterballs at the start of the game and removing all the other pokeballs?
>>749944248Eiko and Quina are the two strongest characters in the game, althoughbeit.
>Everyone in this thread giving characters based on their combat utilityIf you're selecting your JRPG party based on anything other than which characters you like the most regardless of their stats, you fucked up. What are you retards doing?
>>749959060JRPGs aren't fighting games bro, useless party members can bring the whole team down especially when you don't have active switching as a mechanic. Now imagine a JRPG tier 1 hour long boss fight where you bring your worst party member with you because you like "their looks/their personality", now that would be dumb.
@749959060>doesn't read the threadclassic leddit
>>749944248garnet is infinitely inferior to eikovivi is pointless and zidane is mediocre, I'd swap them for freya and quina at all times if I could
>>749959219Depends on the game. If a character is enough of an eye-candy then people will use them even if suboptimal.
>>749946295quina's blue magic isnt tied to trance, its trance status is just useless because its tied to the eat threshold
Ken Amada is the only party member I've ever benched in any RPG. No, I don't possess a single picture, where he's the sole character, because I despise him.
>>749959358ThisI think Fire Emblem is easily the series that showcases this a lot. You'll get entire paragraphs of mental gymnastics to explain why a mid as fuck, attractive female is secretly the best unit in the universe, while a scruffy dude who is just better than her will be ignored. What helps is Fire Emblem is also full of a bunch of pretentious pseuds who think they're geniuses for beating a children's strategy game
>>749953689The exp share solved this. You can get a new poke mid game and still have them catch up in levels, plus battling with underleveled mons is more fun anyway
>>749959589Ironically I think Ken is one of the better characters.Viability is a bit different if you're playing with party control on, with party control Akahiko and Mitsuru are just the best characters, without it they're not great, and more idiot-proof characters like Koromoro stand out.But, Ken is pretty consistent across versions, and kinda does everything okay. Very easy to fit into teams, pierce is a good attack type, ect ect
>>749959598I mean, they don't even have to be attractive girl like Amelia in FE8 as the entire child-cast of Sacred Stones has a rather dedicated base of fans even with discussions shifting from them being good to them being bad. Though I think it helps that in FE there's always someone a character appeals to, even if it's for some silly memes like Vyland in Shadow Dragon. >>749959817Akihiko pre-party control is pretty solid even controlled by AI. Mitsuru just needs correct tactics, and even then not that bad despite people spamming the meme like Marin Karin.I do with Koromaru and Junpei were more useful, at least with Aigis she's a cool android so who cares if she's suboptimal.
>>749952331Depends a bit on the game, but usually there's a sour spot of early-mid transition pokemon that are almost universally ass. Generally these are badge 2-4 range, where they're introducing pokemon of more complex types, and you'll run into an utter shitboot, that is slow to get off the ground, and will be replaced anyways. For gen 1, Ekans is like, THE poster child of this kind of bullshit, but its hardly unique. Sometimes later grabs can be completely fine, either basically working out of the box, or otherwise being less work to get running compared to some bullshit you've had to baby the entire game, but, that badge 2-4 split is pretty consistently ass. I think gen 5 is the only real exception, where that badge range is smack dab in the middle of the desert, where you get everything that just shits on the rest of the game like Darmanitan and Krookodile
>>749943076EtnaShe may be the face of Disgaea as far as character recognition goes, but she's ASS in the games, holy shit>Disgaea 1Bad stats, generally worse than any generic fighter, weak unique skills, a bit slow and bad at throwing. Nothing special going for her at all, in a game where being a unique character otherwise nearly guarantees being good >Disgaea 2Joins absurdly underlevelled, as a joke, with again, unspectacular stats. Her unique skills are a bit better, but her passive/evility is useless. There is no benefit to training her, and she is unusable if you don't go out of your way for her>DD2Probably her best showing, where she's interchangeable with a generic fighter, that trades being better on turn 1, for being slightly worse all other times, amd her own evility also means the best way to use her means she gets left behind in levels>Disgaeas 3, 4, 6Stands out not at all among other postgame units, you will probably never deploy her a single time>5, 7You did not buy her dlc for her. Be honest
>>749954890>>749947579this actually has gameplay and isn't just a gooner game?
>>749961018There's barely any goon material, and almost all of it is sectioned off into two optional areas. And yeah there's gameplay. Bit on a basic side, but decently thought out where you're not just mashing X to win while getting decent use out of entire cast. The meat of the game is the story.
>>749959598An important distinction in FE compared to your typical four nigga in a row JRPG is that you have a large group of characters you're using. Training up and using one shitter because you think they're hot or cute is totally viable, which by extension makes everyone viable in a sense. It's also a series where, if you're doing an ironman, you might lose units and be forced to use shittier ones anyways, so you make do with what you've got in that context.
>>749943076>games where you can't bench MCwhat's his name /v/
>>749944104The first time I ever played this game I used Dart, Lavertz (iykyk), and Kongol. So basically I beat the game on hard mode.
>>749944143From what I remember hearing the English translation kind of fucked him. I could be misremembering though.
>>749947614I love the gay nigger like you wouldn't believe. I usually hate edgelord designs but I think he's sick
>>749947334I'm convinced they TRIED to make Infinite Wealth shit. And boy did they succeed.
>>749949657I kept waiting for her to get a plot upgrade that gave her a REAL Talent Art, like Shulk and Fiora did. After the stuff with her husband was resolved and she still didn't improve, I gave up ever using her again.
>>749953859He got a major buff in the remake. Still cryptic as shit to recruit him, but at least he's worth it now.
>>749954639Yeah, they can "Mon Toss" in D7. They have to throw the unit they pick up immediately, which means they can't be in the middle of a tower, but it's fine.
>>749943076https://youtu.be/b9zS24uHEfo?si=5xukleq5Iw2M108w
>>749961318It's the squeaky footsteps, isn't it?
>Completely dominates the postgame>But nearly everyone needed someone to tell them this because nobody can be bothered to read the grow book & realize a LOT of shit makes her stronger when she's at 1hp and it all stacksThen again, people actually used Anna, and fags couldn't figure out how to use her to be even more broken than Pamela.
>>749956527Why games don't do this anymore?
>>749944742He ran away from home as basically a kid and instantly ran into a dying Auron who forced him into a quest that's going to take at least a decade. That's the reason he never came back, hardly a bitch move.By the point Tidus meets him, Kimahri has been Yuna's guardian for ten years. In that time he's grown into an adult and acts as such, but Biran and Yenke just see him as a little runt still since that's the last they ever saw of him and they had no idea he was doing what is basically the most honorable position a warrior could have in all of Spira. Kimahri is actually cool as fuck, strong enough to fuck up Biran and Yenke at the same time, always the first one to act and instantly ready to sacrifice himself to save the group like during the second Seymour fight.The only fault with him is that he's a bit of a cuck, you can find him after the romance scene in Macalania. He's just standing at the edge of the pool having witnessed the whole thing while everyone else had the sense to leave Tidus and Yuna alone.Gameplay wise since he doesn't have his own path, Kimahri is exactly what you make of him. If he's bad, it means you're bad at the game
>>749953859why is his head so fucking huge for his body
>>749956937I just enjoy how polite he is despite his all caps speech.
>>749943076Ricardo "Benchwarmer" Banderas
>>749960540Have you been giving her guns or something? Sadistic alone makes her absurdly good. Not every unit can be fucking Adell, but Etna's fantastic at one-shotting enemies in a game that's practically all about one-shotting enemies.
>>749962961
>>749962732he just didnt provide anything my personas or any of the other members had, everything about him was midAlso I didnt feel like grinding for him to get to the rest of the party's level
I refuse to believe anybody has actually used Monica's monster transformation in Dark Cloud 2
>>749957983I can't remember if it was VC 1 or 4 but there's the sniper who has a chance to reduce her AP to 0 that scales up with the number of enemies in line of sight. So trying to get her into a good sniping spot to see multiple enemies is actively bad for her on top of snipers being a generally bad class that you won't deploy more than 1 of, if even that.
>>749963083If you do the math, it's just the most absurd shit in the world to train, for next to no payoff.
>>749957000They're just the Pillarmen from Jojo, who were themselves basically just slightly more flamboyant Hokuto no Ken ripoffs.
>>749963049I guess that's a valid reason too.
And if you did, you didn't beat the game.
>>749963083I have used them extensively, by which I mean I used them just to get all of the medals but the moonflower enemies are so strong that you need to grind exp for hours to be able to clear those stages with monster only.The devs must have known how bad they were since they mines doesn't have any defeat with monster transformation medals at all, since it would probably be impossible.I can only assume the system was added at the last minute to give monica something equivalent to the ridepod and it got no balance testing at all.
>>749943076He's superior to Freya, Quina, and both white mages. If you spent hours grinding grind moves for 9999 damage, or casting summons every turn, when you could hit for 6k+ with this guy for no investment and fast animations, you lost.
>>749943338Last time I played was a misfits run, Amarant, Freya, and Quina. It was actually really fun.
>>749962691Good to hear, thanks.
How about them party members that peak early and fall off like a cinderblock
>>749963173still my bro thoeveryone loves teddie
>>749963336Rikku can fall like a cinderblock onto my erect cock if you know what I mean.
>>749963336>peak early>15 years oldWhat did you mean by this?
>>749943076>forces you to remain lv1 until the endo f the 2nd disc to maximize your stonesFuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you
>>749962506Yea it was all over the place. Ichiban had a stronger connection to the final boss(I forgot his name), but they just had to give Kiryu a big send-off while throwingf Ichiban to the side.
>>749963336If you've grinded enough (and you probably have) mix can melt any late game boss + the extras
>>749944421>only useful if you follow a certain sphere path for himeveryone>you have to constantly steal moves to make his limit break usefulevery blue mage>acts like a bitch to Tidus early on so most people don't level him up in the beginningalmost everyone>by the time you can make him good enough, the game is already endingalmost everyone>is the cuck of the Ronso tribe, a manlet and a hornletThe entire party are gigalosers except Yuna
>>749963336She's always very useful if you don't just over-level and smash through every obstacle without interacting with the fight mechanics because she gets more turns than the other characters and, of course, has the most busted overdrive. Lulu is the one that actually falls off because magic resistance, reflect and immunity become so common towards the later part of the game (let alone extra content).
>>749963336>>749963971I was going to cite Auron as a better example of this happening, as Wakka can just use his "break" moves, but yeah, Lulu falls off even harder.Doublecast ultima is cool though.
>>749943076Love ff9 but half the party members feltI never felt the need to take zidane, garnet, vivi, and steiner off my party.
I have only ever played FFX with the fair sphere grid so I don't mind them being defined by their limit breaks mostly.
>>749964270>fair sphere gridwow I didn't know this is a thing
>>749943076Gau and Strago from FF6
>>749964608These fuckers and Relm. I know they're gamebreaking but it just seems fucking annoying to use in a real playthrough.
Only exists to give Kaim or Seth the second best weapon in the game and is otherwise completely unusable.
>>749944421Kimahri is extremely useful in many different roles. If you can't make him work you just suck at the game.You can do fun things like make Kimahri follow Yuna's path to become your white mage and have Yuna take one of Tidus/Auron/Wakka paths since they give strength and HP, which both scale Yuna's summons way more than the small amount of Magic stat that is on her own path. You can easily be doing over 9999 damage on regular attacks with Bahamut as soon as you get him this way, which invalidates the rest of the game in terms of difficulty but is pretty fun.Most characters are actually like this and can become way stronger than normal if they don't follow their own path and instead take someone else's as soon as possible. Getting Auron on Rikku's path, for one, is great since it gives a lot of agility (auron's only weakness) and HP(his main strength) since Rikku starts off with the lowest HP and needs to be caught up.
>>749952331Pic unrelated? I had this little shit moonblast spam me through the entire game with Hawlucha to clean up any fighting types.
>>749963317She's like the only hot girl in the game.
>>749962782Lack of soul
Optional ally that joins in the second to last dungeon of the game after you beat the optional super dungeon and she's a mage/support in a game 3 other mage/supports.
>>749944421He learned Holy way before anyone else and was pretty useful for me because of that
>>749967279that sucks, like her designyknow besides the sex part
>>749943868That's the case for pretty much all late characters in Shining Force I and II. They might be good, but I've already got my party sorted out and can't be arsed to get them up to snuff.
>>749962829he works out at the library
>>749948110I used him just because I didn't want to leave anyone out:)
>>749967403I played as a Yuke when my brother and I played Crystal Chronicles. I was a bit autistically obsessed with their helmets.
Really, he's not that bad at all, he just doesn't the kind of stand out function that a pilot like, ironically, Russel has.
>>749943076No mercy and throwing are both effective strategies, and Chakra gives a bonus of having and auxiliary healer. That being said, I've always preferred Quina for that
>>749962829It's the hair.His proportions are quite realistic actually. Short guys with narrow shoulders look kind of freaky like that since the head tends to stay the same size. A used to be fat, now skinny, short guy with narrow shoulders can have gigantic looking heads and with ozempic that's a pretty common type of guy now.
>>749967686doesn't help him that you gotta throw him into a mech that isn't a generic which is extra work.which really you don't have many options to do that until Ryusei meets up with Kyosuke since the mechs that Giado wants to be in, are on Kyosuke's route.In general Giado really wishes he was on another route.
>>749944880This but Shitkoto
>>749967505Looking over the rosters 2 had more late game units that I didn't give a shit about using and at least 1 had Musashi, but fuck Bleu I am not levelling up your slow ass.
>>749963336>party members that peak earlysad because she's a savior in the first hours and later just gets vaporized
>>749943868isn't he required in the GBA game though? Thankfully he hits like a fucking truck and outclasses everyone
>>749968053she should wear some underwear
i didnt use no one in this shit
>>749943076Kimahri Ronso.
>>749968161>>749968053this is one thing i dont get. dont girls get fucking cold, or annoyed at being scuffed up or leaning agaisnt non-smooth surfaces when they are basically half naked? i wear pants not because im afraid of showing my legs off (i am, but not the point), but because its fucking convenient. its nice to be able to sit on something and not worry if its covered in slime, cum or piss. the pants just are a layer, like body armor
>>749967279>God tier design>Wasted usage in gameWhy is this so common?
>>749967039You fucking WHAT
>>749968239No reason to use anyone other than DD and maybe Quiet if you felt lazy that day.
>>749968053>tfw get her all the way up just to learn that the version of the game I was playing on was censored.
>>749968347>Posts an unga bunga whore who doesn't even have glasses.
Valkyrie Profile has so many of them. What's also shit is you can't swap your team whenever you want, you get like 20ish members, and one slot of your 4 man team is designed for a spellcaster, whereas they explode if placed anywhere else. Of course the game tosses you plenty of spellcasters, because what else would the hot ladies and young children be but spellcasters?Anyway my vote goes for Janus. Every chapter Odin wants you to send someone to him, removing them from your team permanently. He asks for specific requirements which isn't randomized per game and this guy (he's literally just a painter, not a fighter) is a perfect fit so no one ever gets attached to him
>>749963317How did she get so many moves for the exact same effect? That and her being tied for slowest really crumbles my Lucca usage. She can't even get alternate elements on dual techs except for with Marle, everything else is just her making X other move into yet another fire attack.
>>749944858>Shits out DMG in human or DRG formHershel and Meru get 3 turns before he gets one, either completely outdamaging Kongol or being able to use the extra turns on items and shit. or Albert has the take 1/2 damage from everything shield and Rose can heal with her drain spellLike I wish he was good too but speed is literally the only stat that matters for damage in LoD and he has no utility either.
>>749967279I made sure I got the romance for her in 1 cause she's cute! and because she joined so late I could just give her the best abilities from the best jobs without any skill point waste.
>Gets shoved into your party as a condition for borrowing a boat>Massive fucking stick in the mud nerd that goes on to be completely irrelevant to the game after that, doesn't even get a character moment like the rest of the party. >Looks like thisWhy did they even put Nevan in the game
fuck it, i'm too lazy.pretend this post is bait.
>>749968338Whole reason I got into the game was because of the music and designs. Gameplay itself got stale but the world was interesting enough to see what was around the next corner.
>>749943076I played ff games so much I just try to use the less popular characters at this point. by default.Zidane, him, Quina & Freya just look cool on screen but I wish the fan mods would do maybe rebalancing/ fan builds of the game so you'd have cooler reasons to play charcters
>>749963336DQ8 did Yangus dirty with never really getting a late game attack that keeps up with Jessica or the Hero. Axes peak with a skill you can have before you even get the boat, Clubs best move doesn't even work on any late game boss, and Scythes last skill doesn't get affected by attack buffs. And then the 3DS port's extra party members are both stronger and have better utility moves for the postgame bullshit.
>>749968681he would beat goku btw
This guy. Besides being difficult to recruit he if I recall correctly also has some paladin levels which are useless for him. It makes sense, but still is a negative.
Pretty sure nobody uses Himi. The ultimate nothing character in terms of plot and gameplay wise, the only unique thing she has is a crap version of the necromancer classes and being a caster venus adept. Breaks the trend of the new party member being cooler with Amiti>Rief, Sveta>Karis, and Eoleo>Tyrell. Still wish we got a different kind of fighter-type Jupiter adept at some point, like a viking with heavy armor>>749943338He had a free mp for the party ability. I just went Zidane, Freya (sexo), Steiner, and Amarant with MP attack and shredded the entire game except Ipsen's castle. I thought the gimmick was they all had really high defense, so I just used special moves, but no turns out I just didn't know the gimmick until I looked at guides after.>>749944421>is really good if you save the first key sphere for him and go Rikku's path>better than Lulu if you use the friend sphere to get him on her path at -aga spellsYou end up with fast guy with great accuracy and magic that can do basically everything. Also he's sexo>>749945863You don't even really need white magic. Better to take Freya with Reis' Wind and also have a good damage dealer>>749946574Jar-jar was OK. If I remember right his ranged sub-weapons and spells were good. Deego was actually kind of shit to use. I also didn't think the robot or scottish burn victim guys were that useful>>749967915A lot of people apparently like her. I never used Marle because Frog can also heal and is based. Frog/Robo/Ayla is the best
>>749943076I used him, Quina and either Steiner or Garnet I think, memory is too bad to remember the 4th. Never used his throw mechanic because I was an idiot who hoarded everything.
>>749943076Over hated>>749944421Plays like discount auron if you focus on STR
>>749959817>with party control Akahiko and Mitsuru are just the best charactersYou just have to use the tactics menu a bit but Akihiko + Mitsuru + Aigis still steamrolls the game without direct control.
>>749969131It's not that no one uses Himi, it's that no one even remembers she exists.
>>749946295Enemy skill is super busted in seven.
Biggest KWAB in the game
>>749948883Apparently longest attack animations as well
>Zidane has a skill that can hit for 9999>but you have to use steal an outrageous amount of timesThey kinda cucked the protagonist in this game
>>749969097I used him a few times because I liked him thematically.He's fine for no frills unga bunga Fighter.
>>749963659https://litter.catbox.moe/3hwego.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/p9xu0j.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/pnujyq.mp4
>>749945863she makes up for it with trance booty
>>749963317CT feels like its specifically made to make you use her.A lot of enemies seem to be weak to fire, and she just gets a bunch of stuff that shore up her weaknesses with little drawbacks.
>>749969473Truly, being Fran is suffering.
>>749944816So shit i just stole his portrait to show the passage of time on my MC
>>749948235Following up on what >>749947460 said, to show his personality and inmaturity, they made Vaan move slightly faster and have better growths than everyone else, which ironically makes him the best party member for everything by a mile despite how irrelevant he is.
>>749970095Not bad.
>>749969097Yeah, he's been sround the block so his build is weird as shit, which is xool narratively but it just doesn't work in a game as build-heavy as WOTR
>>749943957>Though I think there's some setup with him where he kills the superboss of the game in like two turns?Yes and no. Ozma cannot be killed in 2 hits due to damage cap, but Amarant can hit damage cap easily, so you just spam throw and watch him go.
>>749945834You don't need to constantly drain calories so you can just stick her in one form and leave it at that unless you really want the bonus stats from the temporary masked forms. She's fine I think though I'm also biased since her brother was my favorite in Covenant.
>>749946241It is fun to cuck him by fucking his succubus owner, get his dad killed, and betray his contract.. While remaining on a good playthrough. But let's be honest with ourselves, Halsin takes the cake for being even less used and sucking more. Not that I ever brought either out of the camp.
Using her is a trap
>>749970095Rikku > Lulu > Yuna.But Wakka is a bro, so Lulu is out of the picture. So Rikku it is.
>>749953689the anime did untold damage to Pokémon's image. you're SUPPOSED to be constantly catching new stuff and cycling your party members in and out, the anime actively encourages you to play the game wrong by instead overlevelling the shit out of your starter and using nothing else.
>>749957983there's a shocktroop in 1 with that debuff. get spotted by multiple enemies? frozen in position. at least shock troops can kinda defend themselves if left out in the open.
>>749943076i've played ff9 like 4 times but never got far enough in the game to even meet him
>>749964192I liked how at multiple points the party would split up and you HAD to use the other members because the main trio were unavailable. the only one who genuinely felt useless was the red dude in the OP whose name I don't even remember because of how little plot focus he gets. he isn't even introduced until â…” of the way through the game outside of one cameo appearance in I think disc 2.
what does this nigga even do
>>749972572I don't know if you can blame the anime.It's natural to have favourites or become attached to certain party members in a game.Pokemon starters especially.
>>749972946t, bulbasaur main
>>749972946the games explicitly tell you to go out and capture everything. it's the first thing Oak tells you to do after giving you your starter "finish the pokedex". of course players are going to have favourites, but the game tries to tell you to mix it up. especially gen 1 where most pokemon have FA for coverage moves so they generally get steamrolled if you put them up against something that has a type advantage. Gen 2 is when they tried to make friendship a mechanic, and Gen 3 onwards is where they basically said "fuck it, just solo the game with your starter".
>>749944421>>acts like a bitch to Tidus early on so most people don't level him up in the beginning>>by the time you can make him good enough, the game is already endingIt's been a while but I'm pretty sure you can get him steal and use around the mushroom rock area on the standard sphere grid.
>>749944421Kamahri is the meme answer. Only bads didn't utilize him. X was also unlike other JRPG where you were stuck with only 3 characters each battle. He is also the blue mage of the party and those can be fun sometimes.
>>749947202Stupid looking and her stories were "poor me" and boring. Zalbar and the droid are more interesting than her.
>>749964192If you only play for efficiency then you're going to run into the same problem in most every game.
>>749969131I made a point of using Himi because I like having a mage-style Venus.
>>749944421Kimahri's only worth is making him a early Steal user until you get Rikku.
>>749943076He's a victim of game mechanics. If I recall correctly, characters have static amount of magic stones when they join the group so if you leveled too much on disc 1 and 2 then Amarant will suffer from it.
He's outclassed mostly because the other support/caster characters just have way better skills. He just has a raw HP/EP heal and nothing else.
>>749973647If you mean 1st then you don't have real choice on your group composition until final dungeon, in which case it's all Agate anyway. If you're unscrupulous with min-max meta that is. You get him early in 2nd and he has the best orbment line.
>>749954293>it's also the fact that by the early-middlegame you've probably already settled on 6 pokemon that are working out well enough as isspeak for yourself, I plan my team before starting the game and refuse to slot in replacement mons. if the teammember I want is only catchable on the victory road, so be it. I'm shouldering on with only 5 throughout the entire game.
>>749968639>Secret character is stronger and has a better reason to join the party.>Only reason your pic joins is to give the party some more healing power against Murdaw.Is like if the wagon guy from DQ4 joined the party, jail that cunt at Patty's and pretend it doesn't exist.
>>749973919You say that like it makes it harder. Less pokemon in active rotation means more concentrated exp and higher levels for that group. Having open slots also lets you freely carry around HM slaves.
>>749972912Get porn once in a blue moon.
>>749965507don't forget that he actually has SUPER fucking good gear options throughout the game. kimahri is genuinely a useful party member if you don't neglect him during the main story, i use him a lot more than auron in difficulty mods due to his speed, overdrives (that are almost all only rank 3, meaning he gets the delay of only a normal attack on his normal attacks), flexibility, and really fucking nice gear options.
>>749943076Amarant was the key player of my team for the Ozma fight. AOE AutoLife+Regen, AoE healing, AoE debuffs, easy access to 7-8k damage with throw, and the second highest stats in the game. He's a good character.>>749944036Yeah he's a beast lol.>>749944248>Who the fuck cares about HP?*looks at my Ozma Team*If you can't survive a single hit from curse, you can't WIN that fight. Him and Steiner were the only ones capable of surviving that shit.>>749944421>only useful if you follow a certain sphere path for himAnd just like that, you have no clue what you're talking about. He's the Blue Mage. I've had him as a high accuracy Piercing Physical Beast, a hardcore mage, a Thief, and everything in-between. He's GOOD.>>749944549His Blue Magic is stupid powerful, so he still IS busted. Stone breath, mighty guard, thrust kick, bad breath, white winds, Nova, etc. Him being a blue mage means people think he's bad because they can't mash X like a retard to get the same results as they can with the likes of Auron and Wakka.>>749944780His final Addition does stupid amounts of damage with zero chan ce of a counterattack, he has some of the strongest weapons, and his magic specializes in targetting single targets with huge damage. Why would you be disappointed with that?>>749945726Ghosts and Nekomatas and even Prninies were fucking BUSTED in the first several games.>>749945863>>summons are too weak for how much MP they consumeSo you had no gems. Got it. I was getting easy 7-8K damage hits with Bahamut.>>749946970Gua, Gogo and Umaro could work together to make an absolutely disgusting combo with Cyan just charging Bushido the entire time.>>749947583I enjoyed using him and Haschel on the same team. The sheer damage output on that run was hilarious.
>>749974084*delay of a normal attack on his overdrives, fuck.
>>749954089Was about to sayI just picked the characters I liked and finished the game. It's far too basic to care about party strategy
>>749948007>90% of everyone in Chrono Cross.You do realizie that about 26 of the characters that force their way into your party are DIRECTLY tied into the plot, righ-no. Of course you don't because you're full of shit..ALL of the characters had their own reasons for following you, and those reasons varied wildly. Anything from "you saved me so I owe you" to "I'm just tagging along because you have a boat" to "I'm just here for the treasure". Also, almost NO characters are directly worse or better than others. The few exceptions are Glenn being a worse karsh and.....actually that's pretty much it. Karsh just has better stats and a better grid.
>>749948073It's because they know peopel are fucking retarded and refuse to use any system that requires even a single brain cell. He's a blue mage. Mashing X doesn't work very well with Blue Mages.
>>749943076I have a soft spot for filler party members like Amarant. As was already described multiple times in this thread, guys like him can easily find their niche when enough love and attention is put into their fighting kit, the ones that shift your usual strategies entirely are the best case scenario.Companions who are objectively worse versions of existing party members get sent to the fucking bin though. Vaan from FFXII or Clint from Lisa the Painful are good examples. Unique limit breaks or w/e be damned when you're not contribution jack shit besides that.
>>749974297Vaan is objectively the best character purely combat-wise
>>749956489Fuck...I LOVE Turnip, but holy shit. I recently figured out why he sucks so bad. If you were to hack him in from the very start of the game, there is a point where he COMPLETELY flatlines for like 8 bosses. Zero stats gained. He just NEVER catches back up.
>>749945863She was on the party for the firm buttocks and tight anus
>>749943076Most of the early Axe users in Fire Emblem. Except Dorcas that I used because Lyn's tutorial made me care too much about all the characters in there despite most not being the best of their class.
>>749967505Alef, Torasu and Hanzou are all well implemented late game characters. Like if you still have Lowe, Torasu is a straight upgrade. Alef can replace Tao and you're probably annoyed with slow-moving fighters after all the mountain maps, so you may wanna take Hanzou instead of one of them.I don't know what the hell they were thinking with Adam though. I heard the theory he was originally supposed to join in the ancient ruins near Waral reef, which would make sense, but it may just be someone's head canon.
>>749963083I've tried. I've literally funneled over 80% of my ABS into ONE monster and I STILL only evolved ONE TIME before the end of the game.
>>749972912Outclass Nina because offensive magic and debuffs are fucking useless in BoF3.Fun fact: Nina's field action never gets used again after Momo's tower.
>>749967403>>749967675I fucking LOVE Yukes.
>>749973113Sure, but just don't blame the anime for how people play the game.For party RPGs the tendency is always to have MC + bro character that you started the game with + chick possible love interest that came soon after then a couple of float spots.
>>749972912What game is he from?
>>749974575Breath of Fire 3. Every game has the requisite "big guy". BoF1 has Ox, BoF2 has Rand, and BoF4 has Cray (Cray is merely strong because they clearly didn't want to deal with another massive sprite that made traversal awkward)
>>749974717I like the "big guy" character archetype. Adding 3 to the list. I've only ever played 4, and I didn't get very far.
>>749974717>>749974575dont answer this fags question
>>749974776>>749974575you fucking homo
>>749946214>Weakness: Everything
>>749974717I seem to have triggered some people lol.
>>749968681ahhhhh, i'm angry!
>>749974839Enjoy 3, when you get to it. And remember, Momo best girl.
>>749974859Can do lol....and for the record, I hadn't even thought about how much PORN there must be of him until the losers brought it up. I actually know someone who would be VERY interested in this information. Thanks for the info, trolls! You've likely just fed a degenerate! LOLBut real talk, the big guy characters that just beat shit down with either their bare hands or some wildly simple "weapon"(lookin at you, Cray) are great lol.
>>749949657Absolutely infuriating that a chain attack wont cut her cooldown short.And she breaks chain attack combos by only having one red skill, which is only ever equipped solely for keeping the combo going.I still used her for any fight against a high level enemy, because the shitty accuraccy debuff turns all those fights into slow war of attrition.
>>749950974One of the coolest blue mages to ever exist. And fucking metal because he chops the foot off the enemy to get the skill. And kino because it's just a reference on how dogs hoard bones for later.
Speaking of big guys in Capcom made RPGs>what if we made him wrong, as a joke
>>749971341You can fuck Mizora?
>>749975289YES! STEEL MASSIMO! LET'S FUCKING GO!
>>749975364I thought he was a pretty useful support
>>749947202Half of the KOTOR cast is so fucking useless it's sad. Then halfway through the game blasters are useless so if you made a blaster build you're fucked.
>>749963746I'm sure the whole thing was switched up last minute so Kiryu has the final fight.
>>749972572the game itself did that with evs and xp mechanicskeeping a balanced team was way more work than just blitzing the entire game with an attacker outspeeding everything
Admit it, you benched him the instantl you got enough party members
>>749944248My final team was zidane garnet eiko freya
>>749975480Every build is viable in KOTOR 1, game is horribly balanced and way too easy. I've beaten the game on max difficulty with unarmed only. You're thinking of KOTOR 2. Shit even T3 can be used as CC and main DPS on some encounters in K1. K2 I would say at least 4 party members never leave the EH except for their specific quest or at a required point in the story.
I like Lenny from Fallout 2 because ghouls are cool, but there's really no good reason to ever use him and there's no incidental pay offs. The same can be said of most companions there technically. Myron might be the real poster child for it.
>>749968681i gotta go to work now. pretend i fell for it real hard (i was pretending to be retarded)
>>749975607i did many playthroughs of covenant, but yeah, he doesn't even have a sidequest as an incentive to level him up like joachim or blanca. yuri/karin/lucia all day as the A-team
>>749946941>game has three different iterations that handle party stats, skills, and licenses differently>don't mention which gameI mean, we all know you mean the OG 12, but there was no reason to omit that.It's just the curse of her being in the middle in stats, girls got the magic, men got the physical, and Fran being Balthier's Chewie meant she was the "strongest" of the girls and got balanced (bad) stats because of it.
>>749943076Realistically you're just loading the best robot parts on him to hand to Cube. I put him as the protagonist of the final chapter because I liked his chapter, and because the mind reading for flavor text is neat.
>>749947334isn't zhao more underused? i didn't use him at all in either game
>>749975289I dunno why everyone says that about him. He kinda sucks when you first get him but his limit break thing does a metric assload of damage and the game makes it easy to spam it after you get Cinnamon and those weapon energy per turn accessories
Pic unrelated.>>749953921Sucks, 'cause I like him. Peach being a straight-up upgrade of him just makes it worse.Even the remake didn't help enough, he just became the codex guy, there to fill out the bestiary.>>7499430761. Definitely not "no one" but I always bench the main characters in Disgaea games and just use the trash mobs. Just makes the games more interesting to me until that one (1) time they force you to use the main characters for a plot battle. Yes, I know this is probably just me.2. Tales of Symphonia 2. I bench the MCs whenever I can so I can have extra slots for more monsters. The game's a pretty damn good Pokemon clone, even if it was just an okay Tales Of game. Also just me.3. Amarant's a big one, you get that nigga WAY the FUCK too late, and I was a big "master all the abilities" guy, so seeing him so far behind everyone else that late in the game just made me lose interest. Doesn't help that at that point you're long past "looks like I got the whole party now, better start selling my shit" mode.4. The big tiddy bitch from Blue Dragon. Like everyone else, I did that one exploit, made my entire party giga-OP, then by the time she rejoins you she's so far behind that trying to catch her up is a pain, so she's basically just "benchwarming" her slot in the party.5. Blue Mages (really like half the classes) in Final Fantasy games. Some abilities are giga-OP, but nobody can be assed to track all the skills down without a wiki, and some skills are double-ass because some games make you need some way to force the enemy to use them to learn them.>>749967403Fuck no. They were my main, their block blocks literally everything, it no joke makes you invincible, even to screen-wiping death nukes of instakill fuck-you attacks. My friend was a huge griefer so I countered by playing a Yuke and he literally couldn't do shit to me from that point on.If you dislike Yukes, you didn't play the game. (OG Crystal Chronicles, if that matters.)
>>749964819desu, there's no reason not to use the 4 immortals and 1 human. And I believe Sed is the most useful. So the other 4 humans get outclassed
>>749975642>highest STR and MAG in the gameShe's the strongest character in the party after Zell. Just load her with Meteor and watch her obliterate everything with Angel Wing.
>>749976726Translation: "I'm too retarded to use a blue Mage without someone holding my hand, so that must mean EVERYONE is as pathetic as me."You just suck. Get over it.
>>749976991No, she's uh....quite literally the strongest one. Like...outright. Highest base stats PERIOD. She only loses to SQUALL and that's in ONE stat. Look at this shit.
>>749977117Wait, I stand corrected, she has slightly lower speed than Irvine.
i love amarantpicked up a chick in hs because i saw friends discussing some halloween cosume arguing about colorsi said its amarant and we started talkingno we didnt get married and have kids
>>749977117I meant her max damage output. Zell's limit break can consistently output the most damage of all characters. Rinoa's Angel Wing Meteor comes second, and Squall is third because even in the best circumstances you can't get Lionheart every time.
>>749977441Oh well yeah. No shit. Armageddon Fist can do over 1.2 million damage. Though I'd argue that Wishing Star beat Lionheart because you maintain control AND you can increase the chances of it by just not learning the other Angelo Limits.
>>749977441and if you don't believe me about the Armageddon Fist, here. Watch this.https://youtu.be/tXWB5jQ_nuY
>>749946214this meme is still alive and well, I see
>>749977664>>749977630Ah, the good old Armageddon Fist strat. If you've got the patience and the reaction time, it's an auto-delete for any boss. I always found it too boring to use much, so Squall and Rinoa were usually my go to LB users.
>>749978064I've always preferred Irvine and his Fire/Dark shots as well as Quistis. So much fun Blue Magic, so little time.
>>749943076The eternal proof of FF9fags being retarded is their inability to se that Amarant is the character with the most realized and important plot arc in the story.
>>749956272and garnet cant summon until the last 4th
>>749978294Him and Freya played incredibly well off of eachother, both in battle and storywise. He keeps her mp fueled up, she keeps everyone healed, just to name one example.>>749978360...Disc 2 is NOT "the last quarter of the game".
>>749978409Amarant challenges the power of friendship shit that usually mires these stories. You get to Ipsen's Castle and he's like "You claim strength in numbers, but in truth you're being slowed down by this menagerie" and goes off on his own to prove his point. And he's right. He gets there first. You get to him and he leaves the party.
>>749978596Then he nearly dies on the way out. He was a great character.
>>749978673Also, shortly after that, he gains access to the Cover Ability. Just saying. Environmental storytelling is a thing.
>>749978673When you win alone, the glory is all yours, but when you lose alone, you're fucked. We surround ourselves with people to pick us up when we inevitably fail, as we grow old or lose our capabilities.>>749978730Amarant's story is very short, but it is perfect. I can scarcely believe a D-tier character like this is better written and integrated into the narrative than anyone in FF16.
>>749977630>Though I'd argue that Wishing Star beat Lionheart Renzokuken is too cool not to use. Especially its boss-specific variations. The way Squall always goes for the weak points is a beauty to watch.https://youtu.be/XiiGkjXztN4
>>749978835It's exciting and dynamic while still being grounded enough that you can see every part of it. Like how Squall has to physically interact with Bahamut's body to run/jump/gain momentum instead of just flying around like DBZ.
Pic related, absolutely trash only even worse than the fish, but this is the game where the entire party becomes useless as they only exist for you to use them to turn into the giga OP dragon
>>749943076>warlock with an actually present sexy demoness patron>character in early access was an annoying fraud no one used>character at release is insanely bland and no one uses him
>>749968639Dragon Quest VI was fucked because Chrono Trigger, the game is full of bad decisions and plot holes
>>749978775>D-tier characterSecond highest stats in the game. Most overpowered trance in the game with aoe autolife and regen. Second highest base attack damage potential with the dragon claws. D Tier, my ass.
>>749946739It's funny how every decade or so we change what stereotype we're giving black people. The last couple It's been boring one dimensional lawful good guy. I remember in the 80s they all had helicopters.
>>749979098Man, setting up Trance for major encounters was such a pain in the ass.
>>749979147Yeah. It was. I only ever had to do it for Ozma, but jesus christ it took longer than it should have.
>>749945863Garnet is secretly one of the strongest characters in the game in Trance if you get enough gems since her auto summon thing is bullshit.>>749945963Haru is actually good unlike Naoto. If anything, the biggest fraud in Royal is Ryuji because the game nerfed him for the majority of the game and its not until the end when he reclaims his vanilla power level.
>>749979023I don't know why it's so hard for rpgs to make a cool black guy these days. Like just copy Barret or Blade or some shit, it's not that hard, nobody wants to play zesty buck broken sugar in the tank niggas.
>>749979232Naoto was my MVP, but I wasn't minmaxing or anything. Just the fact that she could remove one or two enemies off the field with the mass-death spells was always useful.>>749979302There are voices saying Barret's portrayal in the remake is an embarrassing stereotype. It's not a discussion I would bring much to.
>>749949657I think I'm autistic so I almost always stick to the original party members for all the JRPGs I play. So I played through almost the entire game with Shulk - Reyn - Sharla
>>749979302>zesty buck broken sugar in the tank niggasIf only. Most of the time they're just boring and forgettable, with no personality to speak of.
>>749975289Holy fuck I loved Steel Massimo. The second I got him he stayed on my party for fucking EVER. Him and the ninja robot.
>>749978996You actually do more damage with Rudra, Nina, Puka and Bleu but the final boss is completely brain dead with Agni so who the fuck cares.
>>749979390The demake turned him into a shallow onions-filled shell of who he's SUPPOSED to be. What they did to him is disgusting and absolutely criminal.
>>749949657Kinda weird how this game does the DPS-Tank-Healer thing but the dedicated healer is completely useless.
>>749979390The demake turned him into a shallow onions-filled shell of who he's SUPPOSED to be. What they did to him is disgusting and absolutely criminal.*Fuck you 4chan filter.
>>749979526He was perfect in remake and shit in rebirth. Sadly that's just because Barret isn't really relevant post-Midgar when he stops being the leader.
>>749955713The collab version of him in Another Eden was alright, being both a free tank and a free crystal elementShame then that there was also Clark, who was also crystal and free but for a free character at the time dealt shitloads of damage
I don't want no gay ass archer in my party. To the bench with you.
>>749979587kill yourself, retard. He was fucking ruined. Shut your fucking face.
>>749947758i wouldn't count that since it's clearly a meme character and in theory you could at least use him as free mule and human shield on day1. most "useless" mercs in JA1 are specialists those that are competent, but only join at the point where you already had to have that role filled by someone available who is cheaper and potentially already caught up experience wise in those few weeks, but at the same time they aren't the high end expensive mercs for last few missions where you don't care about money. best examples are rusty and vicky, my favourite mercs i can't ever use because they are lazy fucks and not mentally ill to join you at most within a week. also higher tier medics are like this for some reason. who decided to put cliff and sidney into JA2 is a mystery to me since i'd like to know if anyone ever actually hired them in JA1. admittedly none of this was a problem in DG.
>>749979626>No argument
>>749979526>can speak in full sentences, is a devoted father, noticeably more mature than the younger members of the party, and an actually competent leader>REEEE how dare theyImagine having taste this bad.
>>749952331What a hideous little imp
>Joins last minute>Demolishes the rest of the gameIt's like they knew how strong she was and couldn't have possibly added her any earlier, or suspected the game was about to get just a little actual difficulty so they decided to give you an optional "Very easy mode" in case you couldn't fight.
>>749979684>>749979681As usual, these poserfaggots invade the thread to try and shit it up.
>>749952331>>749979701This sweetcakes got Revival Blessing in Pokérogue, I use him all the time.
>>749955713Posting CC is cheating. Nobody uses like 40 out of 45 characters in CC.
>>749979764Are you talking about yourself? You can't just post nonsense nobody would agree with and then not back it up with an argument. If you just want validation for your terrible opinions, you won't find it here. Not today.
>>749979805Kill yourself you niggerfaggot.
>>749979770Let me guess. You're the sort of dumbass who never uses anyone OTHER than Glenn/Riddel.
>>749978596Amarant is one of the stronger characters in disc 3 since chocobo sidequest gives you a set of kaiser knuckles and with wind boosting gear he has the best damage outside of Steiner's shock without having to sit through long spell animations.
>really really like vivi>didn't buy the staff from the monastery which teaches final damage spells because ehh I'll just get it at the next shop>theirs a point of no return 5 mins after this>this is the only source of this staff>my vivi was perma locked out of strongest spellsBrutal
>>749980000It's good story integration that Vivi is invaluable at the start, but completely falls off towards the end and isn't worth investing in. A short, bright life.
>>749974717DQ does not have a "big guy" unless you count Ryu himself since he's the only one that can do physical damage worth a damnWish more games were like DQ, only giving you three party members and making them all extremely different, it was such a cool game.
>>749980000Just the elemental ones. He could still learn meteor, flare and jihad
>>749980000anon google exists
I wish 9 had like one more piece of endgame content.Like some battle arena or something.
>>749945863She's also completely fucking useless for a large stretch of the game
>>749980171the elemental shrines being cutscenes was a crime
>>749975364Nah rab was useful as fuck, in particular his passive healing from the healing rain skill
>>749980120I don't google video games im playing.Vivi isn't even good, it was just disappointing to have him gimped.
>>749943076I Remember give him a poison fang and it was pretty good
>>749980000>quads on /v/
>>749944421I'm ffx you just need auron
>>749980171There's a bunch of stuff to do in the world. Maybe not as much as 8.
>>749980171somehow fucking up triple triad is unforgivable
>>749961318Considering how hard physical falls off lategame there's no point using kanji or chie and naoto is just meant for mopping up plebs, so he always had a spot on my party. His damage is decent, but his buffs are the real highlight.
I always did the frog and dragon grind for quina and freya, then picked eiko for the double cast.But I was also stupid enough to buy the strategy guide so whatever.
>>749980596vegh?
>>749953859I used him and Opera on my latest playthrough.
>>749978902>tosses Squall into the air to eat him>gets a backflip and a gunblade to the faceBeautiful. XV is the FF king of momentum-based battle animations, but VIII was really ahead of its time.
>>749980218>Vivi isn't even good*laughs in un-reflectable 9999 damage AOE water casts*
>>749943076marie in unlimited saga. completely useless in both scenarios she is in.
>>749977117Damn, Quistis is useless.
>>749980692black mages can only be good in a game that has no multi hit 9999 capped limit breaksTRVTH FLARE
>>749980718Degenerator, Aqua Breath, Acid, Bad Breath, Micro Missiles, Mighty Guard, SHOCKWAVE PULSAR, you're fucking retarded.
>load into in progress game>got rochelle>leave game
>>749980754>I'm too retarded to use black mages, so they're just badShut the fuck up.
>>749980816but with rochelle you can actually look at the three actual entertaining characters
>>749977117So she tops then? Interesting.
>>749981169amazon positiongave seifer an incurable addiction to witch pussy
>>749980718Every blue magic user is shit. Khimari, Quina (unless you spent 50 bazillion hours grinding for no real reason), Strago; it got overnerfed after Enemy SKill in 7 was so broken.
>>749981169PFFFFT WHY IS IT SO FUCKING CRUNCHY LOL
>>749981220>I'm too retarded to do anything but mash xFixed it. Now shut the fuck up, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
>>749981225Mercenaries aren't known for their good looks.
>>749980820to be fair it takes a larger than normal iq to cast fire 2 on the ice flan
>>749981394Fun fact about that btw. That's the WORST model in the game because they only intended to use it for that ONE scene.
>>749981169She's a natural-born sorceress. She could top everybody if she wanted.
>>749976894Yeah, Sed is the best Mortal due to his stats + Double Item. Cooke is worthless as Sarah does everything she can and she's not as fragile as an egg, Jansen is only good until you get Sed and he has to waste time casting to do any good damage, Mack is just pure garbage and relies solely on the gambling skill for damage, and Tolten is lol lmao.
>>749981506No wonder Squall falls for her, since he wants a big sis.
>thread full of literal faggots that won't use a hot female character just because she isn't meta
>>749979895Glenn, Kid, Steena, Riddel and Karsh for me. Everybody else was too forgettable or too irrelevant.
>>749981715So you have NO clue what you're talking about. Orcha, Van, NeoFio, Razzly, Doc, Pierre, Nikki, Pip, and Leah are all VERY relevant for their own reasons. Even if Van is just tagging along for treasure and Pip is just there as a tagalong, they ALL serve a purpose. None of the characters are Irrelevant. Not even Turnip.
>>749943076Very esoteric and I doubt many will recognize this character. Been a long time since I've played Summoner 2 but I always remembered him as being absolutely shit, he's depicted constantly as being strong but then he's like a battle mage but makes a shit warrior and has shit magic. Any Suikoden game could also easily work for this thread though.
Here, have a fourth knight.You surely need another one this late into the game.
>>749982563summoner 2 blows chunks i like 1 a lot more its not even close
>>749982563>Any Suikoden game could also easily work for this thread though.And people give Chrono Cross shit for it's roster. Fuck Suikoden.
