>>750028136
a return to farewell

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>>750028136
It's an 8/10. I enjoyed it more than Bloodstained, but it's more of a fusion of Classic+Igavania+Celeste.

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why is konami outsourcing all their IPs to random western devs lmao are they going bankrupt or they just don't care anymore and just focus on pachislot?

>>750028136
is a 7/10 game. not great, but also not bad. is worse than the recent indie remakes since isnt better than the stuff that we can play on a emulator. i mean. Shinobi, galuga, ragebound and fucking SOR4. cant even compare with these games.

>>750028582
Capcom is killing them so they are getting desperate

>>750028305
Was it? I'm fairly certain we saw the western version of her first.

>>750028582
I can't remember a time when Konami wasn't retarded with all their IPs

I don't really care if it's not a good castlevania game or not, is it at least a decent metroidvania?

My thoughts from the other thread
>>750025465
>>750025672
>>750026267

>>750029473
What did you think of the puzzle/knowledge based exploration?

Also I think the games pmatforming hinged too much on the whip

>>750029541
It just turned ability gates into item hunts or puzzle solutions. The concept is neat for the puzzles but everything felt like taking a bunch of halfbaked ideas and just tossing them in a blender. Pretty much my opinion on the grappling hook style stuff as well. They went out of their way to throw as much as possible in to the game without refining anything, and it mostly all just falls flat.

>>750029473
Favorite boss?
I personally thought the guy that sumkoned afterimages of himself was the best albeit simple.
Jean was insulting though. Her 2nd phase was just her repeating the same shit but faster.
Arthur was so bad too.

I feel like there was so much spectacle put into the fights despite how simpler than they actually are. Also, the other anon said how reliant the game was on the whip and I'd extend that to the combat too.

>>750028582
they decided inhouse devs arent worth it and killed all their teams.

>>750028136
I just beat Joan and I'm enjoying it so far

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>>750028136
Neither.
The first act is a bit more Classicvania like, granted, or at least a bit like Rondo or Ecclesia.
But then it opens up a lot and becomes much more of a genuine metroidvania, but that doesn't mean it's all of a sudden like SotN or Sorrow, because it isn't. It's still distinct.

But the game is still an excellent game with really satisfying movement and very engaging combat. With really fun enemy gauntlets and bosses.
And the game really does ooze love for Castlevania. It's an excellent new chapter for Castlevania. So I'd really, really love it if we'd be able to get new games like it.

And it being great yet distinct truly is the best possible outcome. Over Castlevania and Bloodstained just doing the same thing simultaneously at the same time. Because Bloodstained still lives. And now we're getting both. And that really is almost too good to be true.

>>750028136
Its a hateletter to the fans

>>750028305
left is so sex

>>750029876
>They went out of their way to throw as much as possible in to the game without refining anything
But the platforming challenges are really tight and well executed. How is it not refined? The Hall of Mirrors traversal, just to name an example, is excellent.

Kind of can't help but suspect you're just talking shit just to talk shit.

>>750030335
And also canon. But haters just wish to laser focus on the worst and least flattering art piece.

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>>750028136
Well, you'd never give BC to a new player like "yep, this game is representative of the series more broadly" whether you meant Classicvania or IGAvania by that.
So it's some weird third thing that presents its platforming challenges, its exploration, and its combat as separately packaged entities, and kinda ruins them by making traversal more of a chore (ditto when it comes to backtracking for secret-hunting) and combat a spammy i-frame dodge-fest with an abuseable arial move and limited heals, so its either too easy, or hard in a chaotic, cluster-fucky way, often by filling a crowded space with enemies.
To be charitable I would say "it's a good game, but not a good Castlevania game" (which seems to be the emerging modal opinion). I probably wouldn't have bothered playing this over any other cookie-cutter indie Metroidvania that's come out lately if it didn't have "Castlevania" in the title, but that title also sets expectations for it that it isn't trying to reach. It wouldn't be getting nearly as much shit if it had been called "Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown 2" and re-skinned accordingly, because that's what it feels like more than any Castlevania game I've played. I'd have preferred if the new Castlevania "trying to do something different" had tried a little harder to be innovative and unique, rather than adopt elements that are now genre standards prevalent in other modern games.

>>750029473
>>750026267
>Jack of all trades, master of none. Such a bummer. Maybe it could've been better handled by a veteran team but what we got it what we got. Sad stuff, man.
You played the final fights and you still think this? Why?

The game would be better if it didn't have spikes.

>>750030446
>i-frame
But there is no i-frame in the game

>>750028582
Konami doesn't make anything except once in a blue moon they work on a remaster. They have no devs so they do no developing, everything is outsourced.

Tries to have good platforming fucked with the pacing
Tries to have good bosses completely invalidated by how strong you get way too fast
Tries to have good exploration devolves into lock key puzzle shit
Abhorrent music
Awful enemy variety

>>750030540
Haters have been spinning up their own delusional narratives from before the game was even released. Reading into the demo datamine as if it was tea leaves.
A lot of the critiques have been detached from the reality of things from the very get go. And a surprising many of those inaccurate complaints have persisted even after the game's release somehow.
Fuck. You've still got people insisting the game is unchristian like. They either haven't actually played the game, are lying, or both.

>>750028136
The dynamic i-frame movement that allows you to get to the other side of enemies and lack of consumables/enemy drops makes the established-style castle traversal dry, so they overcompensated with the turbo engaged gauntlets a'la OoE Training Hall. You will have either/or.

>>750030674
>Tries to have good platforming fucked with the pacing
Your movement is swift and smooth though. How in what way whatsoever does it mess with the pacing?
>Tries to have good exploration devolves into lock key puzzle shit
You can do a lot of the puzzles without the "intended" key abilities.

And tangential to the above. With multiple fast travel systems. How does either of them supposedly mess with the pacing?
You're making no sense.

Also the enemy variety isn't bad at all.
Is your standard really that it has got to have as many enemies such as SotN or Aria or whatever? And that's including tons of literal recolours.
Was the enemy variety of all the classicvanias shit too?
By the end of the day Belmont's Curse has a lot of different enemies and they're broadly rather distinct too.

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It's a flop

Hollow Knight is a plague to this genre.

>>750030924
And it was only after this fucking game that all metroidvanias became obsessed with cancer jump puzzles.

>>750030897
At most console sales will double it right? So this game probably didn't even sell above 60k-70k copies.

>>750031006
>>750030924
its bizarre too because hk secluded its platform autism to the white palace
even silksong wasnt that filled with nonstop platforming challenges

>>750028582
They don't have competent internal development after a decade of making nothing major. I think the only they've made internally was the MGS3 remake and the Silent Hill Short Message thing, which was incredibly dogshit.

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I KNEEL

>>750030243
>And the game really does ooze love for Castlevania.
Nothing says "love for castlevania" like turning Leon into a milk fed gimp that the girl boss main character shouts down at every opportunity, utterly destroying the time line of the Belmont family so bad you make it impossible for any more of them to be born, and ripping up lore so bad that the castle contains portraits of people who won't exist for five hundred years.

>>750031097
silksong didn't have a white palace but had more rather hard platforming like bliewater or the climb to reach surface, hell even the Last Judge runback was harder than 95% of HK's platforming. HK only had WP...

>>750031178
>girl boss main character
she loses to death
she's confident that her father will save her and beat everyone else
she realises that she's weak
that's not girlboss bro... although I agree with the shit Leon tolerates at least at early game

>>750031097
>its bizarre too because hk secluded its platform autism to the white palace
Which was one of its biggest weaknesses given how great its platforming was and how much potential was there.
>even silksong wasnt that filled with nonstop platforming challenges
No. Silksong has a fuckton of platforming stuff. All but everywhere. Even more so than Belmont's Curse. Though most of its platforming challenges are shorter than the ones in Belmont's Curse. But it has a lot of longer ones as well. When did you last play it if you feel like it had less of it?
Silksong almost doesn't let you jump from a single platform to another without bouncing on at least one thing in-between.

>>750031058
It probably had a decent amount of switch sales, but even at the outside, I would say probably 140k sales at the most.

>>750028136
This is not Castlevania. Not sure why they even used the name.

>>750031236
Why would I want to play as this loser then?

>>750031097
And yet, the game has plenty of places where you have to jump on a nail along spikes. Before hollow knight, metroidvanias were about exploring the map, not just difficulty for the sake of difficulty.

>>750031178
>turning Leon into a milk fed gimp that the girl boss main character
You did not play the game. Leon is a great character. The game is not disrespecting him at all.

>>750031284
>Before hollow knight, metroidvanias were about exploring the map, not just difficulty for the sake of difficulty.
Sad because the best part of HK and SS was the exploration for me desu.

>>750031276
>goalpost moved
ok bro I didn't ask you if you want to play as her or not I just said that she doesn't act as a girlboss Mary Sue

>>750031238
>When did you last play it if you feel like it had less of it?
>Silksong almost doesn't let you jump from a single platform to another without bouncing on at least one thing in-between.

Unless youre a retard on the pogo I dont really consider those platform challenges.

The real problem is that the game was afraid to break the tradition of the genre. Eg. Every boss has to be an action packed parryrollsuperfast garbage fest. It leaves no room for a really memorable boss like Legion, or a battle of attrition boss or anything slow and lumbering but strong. Everything has to be superfast and be defeated in the same way with the same strats they give you.
Even bloodstained wasn't afraid to be broken by player choice

Jump puzzles shouldn't exist in metroidvanias at all, it's a cancer that's killing the genre.

>>750028136
No. It plays like one of those shitty indie platformers. It's tedious and boring. The music is grating. Everything blends in with the single color backgrounds and looks like trash.

>>750031363
But swinging with the whip on a grappling point in Belmont's Curse is something you consider a platforming challenge?

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It's a shit Castlevania game, and a bad modern metroidvania game
-only 6 weapon variants
-every 2 room is a precision platforming filled with buzzsaws and spikes
-backtracking feels shit because every 2 room is a precision platforming filled with buzzsaws and spikes
-only 34 fucking enemy variants in a 15-20hours game
-blinding vfx
-ugly artstyle or rather not fitting
-shit bossfights
-sluggish movement
-exploration feels shit because most of the rewards are shit and every 2 room is a fucking precision platforming filled with buzzsaws and spikes
-shit fast travel
-characters have no charming quality whatsoever

+grapling hook (i like grapling hook)

>>750028136
if you just want a metroidvania in front of you to play it's good, decent. I think if you're a jaded adult looking for meaning it's not going to really offer you anything, middle of the road hipster styling probably isn't going to do much for anyone vaguely in the realm of 4chan's tastes. good game for your 15 year old sister with a switch.

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>>750031420
>an action packed parryrollsuperfast garbage fest
The dash doesn't even give you iframes. Because it's not an iframe"""dodge"""". It's a positioning tool. Like has been standard in Castlevania.

>>750031448
I forgot to mention the shit music/ost but everyone already knows that

The music is legitimately so fucking bad.

>>750031448
>99.8
Watch the second ending

>>750031526
>It's a positioning tool. Like has been standard in Castlevania.
You'll find that most games allow the player character to MOVE, anon. Might as well say that it's a real castlevania game because it exploys the use of colour or text on the screen. Faggot.

>>750031420
>or a battle of attrition boss
Isaac? The Zealot.
>or anything slow and lumbering but strong. Everything has to be superfast and be defeated in the same way
The Builder? Talos.
And then there are bosses like Dracula himself or the doppelganger.
The succubus was kind of distinct too.

Carmilla had a fun gimmick, shame that she was just too much of a pushover for the 8-hit-loss thing to really matter.
Medusa's gimmick is fun though even if her fight is relatively simple. But she is the 2nd or 3rd boss of the game.
But even The Fallen, has that fun thing where you can make him tumble straight into the floor if you interrupt his whip swinging with the fireballs.


I really love Bloodstained so you won't hear me claim the game is bad. But that game for better or worse has lots more opportunities to you just fight all the bosses the exact same way. Especially with how you have the potential to attain really overpowered builds pretty early and then the ability to further strengthen and juice up that same build and playstyle until the end.
So it's kind of curious how you're implying that it's the opposite.

people claiming that game doesn't have iframes while I've been abusing the whip grappling hook + shoryuken combo and I cheesed Joan 2.0 fight with that.
>whip + shoryuken + 2-3 down punches + repeat
I'd only block if I messed up the combo for some reason...

>>750031707
symphony was defined by its backdash, it's a core series element.

Joan of Arc was a schizophrenic, crossdressing heretic. It's no wonder a trannyslop game like this won't shut the fuck up about how amazing she is because it's a game made for schizophrenic, crossdressing heretics.
It's a shame it bears the castlevania name, but unsurprising. Anyone with more than three brain cells should have expected this.

>>750031448
does beating the game atleast unlock new stuff like the old games (new playable character, boss rush, etc.)?

>>750031814
Lol, no

>>750031775
>symphony was defined by its backdash
And here I thought that SOTN was defined by a RPG system, open and non-linear exploration, hidden secrets, massive amount of traversal options and bucking of traditional convention.

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>>750031836

>>750028136
Got the true ending amd enjoyed it enough.

The Fist of Talos are absolutely busted and trivialize the entire game, though:
- Can be maxed out immediately
- One-shots all normal enemies
- Obliterates any boss

>>750031798
>Joan of Arc was a schizophrenic, crossdressing heretic
>church and god left her to burn
>converts to dracula
>she's one of the first bosses you beat
>you defeat her twice
sounds kinda based to beat a charcoal evil tranny twice ngl

>>750031741
>you have the potential to attain really overpowered builds pretty early and then the ability to further strengthen and juice up that same build and playstyle until the end.
Actually, I am saying this is a good thing. The player being able to choose how they approach things, even if they choose an overpowered route, is the core of what I am saying makes them enjoyable.

This game is not ever going to let you do that. It just can't. You will fight every single boss like a 2D souls game, and that's it.

>>750031916
I guess you just have to close your eyes and ears when Rose talks about her like she's her personal hero throughout, then in the ending when it basically deifies her.

>>750031945
>Actually, I am saying this is a good thing. The player being able to choose how they approach things, even if they choose an overpowered route, is the core of what I am saying makes them enjoyable.
And as I was saying. I really do love Bloodstained. I don't think it's a bad thing.
But if you can choose 1 thing and then just do 1 thing throughout the entire game. Then you've got considerably more samey boss fights.
Which was somehow a complaint you had for Belmont's Curse? Why? The fights are rather distinct.

>You will fight every single boss like a 2D souls game, and that's it.
But you don't. The game doesn't even have iframes on the dash. They're not Souls fights. Did you even play the game? Sounds like you're just repeating talking points.

Just listen to this shit
https://youtu.be/SxrnXe5bL1E?is=ObqefR88pwPbrczG

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What went so right with Shanoa?

Forgettable generic shit because they chose to follow modern MV principles

>>750028136
>netflixvania

I just got the early game 3 crystals, haven't gotten to the catacombs yet.
Is there a place to get the 5 kills / burn easily for the spells?

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How did they manage to make something worse than a literal cheap porn game

>>750032078
>Then you've got considerably more samey boss fights.
>Which was somehow a complaint you had for Belmont's Curse? Why?

Because the difference is player choice. It's a lot different if the player chooses to make boss fights samey than if the game forces you to do so through lack of options.

>Did you even play the game?
I'm playing it right now, when does it give me options on how to defeat bosses without following their gimmicky strategies and hoping for the best?

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>>750032123
It's nothing like Netflix at all.

>>750032191
outsourcing to western devs tend to do that

For a game thats only like 18 hours long it gets way too repetitive

>>750032202
>without following their gimmicky strategies
For one. You can beat the bosses without exploiting their weaknesses. It'll just be tougher.
But even if you do exploit their weaknesses, when they exist, the gimmicks are still distinct. So you aren't fighting all the bosses the same way. Which is what you were claiming.

>>750032247
>outsourcing
>to western devs

>>750032202
Let me give you an example.
Player 1 is going through bloodstained for the first time, and gets to zangetsu. He is using a long sword, and tries and fails and tries again many times to get the patterns of this attacks down and ultimately wins through, and feels great for having done so.

Player 2 doesn't want to do that, so he uses a gun and spends a half hour grinding out bullets nearby to make each attack he makes more powerful, while allowing him to keep his distance and ignore a lot of mechanics.

Player 3 has already played the game before and wants to rush it, so buys a load of healing items and face tanks the boss, healing when needed.

Player 4 has already gotten 5 dullahammer heads as a familiar, to make the boss just that bit easier for him while also engaging with the mechanics with a katana

etc etc

>>750030278
Kek I was about to post the same thing

>>750028136

Theres nothing worth remembering from the game

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>>750032084
What the fuck is this earrape

>>750032109
Her anus grips my glans firmly

>T-THERES NO IFRAMES
Uhhh bro your whip?

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>>750030897
OH NO FELLOW CHARTSPOSTER
OH NO
SAVE ME SAINT LOUIS
AHHHH
I'M GOING INSANEEEEE

>>750032464
Your parry? Your block?

>>750032464
And? You take damage at any time, no matter what you do. It's impossible to get through an enemy's attack unpunished in the game, you'll take damage.

>>750032337
Or the player just attains the Heretical Grinder shard from one of the first enemies in the game. And shreds every boss in seconds until the very end of the game with their chainsaw. The same way. Every time.
And as I've said. It's cool that these things are possible. But with Bloodstained you can't really fight all the bosses the same way, because the fights are decently distinct.

>>750032549
Wrong

>>750032587
Thank you for confirming that you don't play the game.

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I'm woman hear me roar!

>>750032464
>>T-THERES NO IFRAMES
On the dash.

>>750032629
That's a screenshot of her getting blown the fuck out though. Not some woman hear me roar bullshit.

>>750032584
Yes, indeed, you can choose to do that! Which is great because it's a sign of a game that isn't strictly on the rails it gives you, whereas BC demands you kill each boss the same way, ie as hollow knight bosses.

The only variety is in the boss, not the player.

>>750032665
>every female character, no matter how evil treated with respect and admiration
>every male character, no matter how good treated like a bitch and a piece of shit

cool

>>750032740
>>every female character, no matter how evil treated with respect and admiration
>>every male character, no matter how good treated like a bitch and a piece of shit
But this isn't true at all. Which makes you a mind broken piece of shit that probably didn't even play the game. And maybe doesn't even play games at all.

>>750032617
Come back to me when you progress to the point of the game where you get the literal fuckin 0 windup parry button you cretin. Then kill yourself.

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>>750032790
I've already completed the game and there are no iframes in it.

>>750032835
>the button that gives you invincibility for x frames is not iframes
Weird fucking hill to die on

>>750032786
It literally is true though. And to defend your point, you have to go to the lengths of claiming that I don't even play video games, which is an absurd claim to make for literally anyone on the planet these days.

Anyway, how do you explain the Brauner "encounter" without Rose being a girlboss? or the reams of dialogue with Leon where she tells him to shut the fuck up because she knows better? Or the constant sucking off of Carmilla and Joan of Arc?

>didnt realize I already got too strong and facerolled most of the later bosses
Shit

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I could use some taco belmont... (I'm hungry)
why is he walking like that? belmonts walk like this
Straight Doin It.gif
Bitches...

(YOU WOULD...)

This post has been sponsored by Draculax, Dracula's favorite laxative.

>>750032549
The whip can allow you to phase through attacks for part of the window where you're pulled towards them.
But I don't really see how that makes it like Dark Souls.

If you put her in a cyan dress she almost looks like christ-chan

>>750032919
It seems you don't understand what iframes are. Iframes are when, with a certain action, an enemy's attack passes through the character's body unpunished, and this button simply blocks damage. These are two different things.

>>750033151
>invincibility is different than invincibility
NIGGER WHAT KIND OF CRACK ARE YOU SMOKING???

>>750032945
>It literally is true though.
But it's not true in the slightest.
Leon is a highly respectable character in this game and easily said to be your closest ally.
Trevor, your father, is also highly revered and is framed and shown as being awesome in-game. He isn't treated like a bitch in the slighted, nor a piece of shit.
On the flip side. Medusa is something of a punching bag with Joan, Leon, and more shitting on her. Carmilla is also challenged and ignored at least once when she tries to spout bullshit. And if you think they, and the succubus aren't portrayed as pieces of shits, then Dracula and Isaac aren't either. And for the two of them, if anything this might be their best depictions to date.

And this is why it sounds like you haven't played the game.
The men are treated with respect and admiration. And women are treated as bitches and pieces of shits. And it's not at all as you claimed.

>>750033278
This is literally just all lies.
I don't even know how to respond to this other than calling you what you are: A liar.

>if anything this might be their best depictions to date
I think this is quite telling though. Makes me think you are here to shill the game by any means, and the means you chose are lies.

>>750033386
Its the same anon across all these threads you can pretty much tell