Whats the secret to good character design?
Just do the opposite of western devs
Feminists absolutely hate sexy female character design, until the absolutely overwhelming amount of women cosplaying as that character makes that opinion untenable.
>>751583008boobs
Simplicity
I honestly can't remember the last pleasantly designed, iconic female character in vidya in like ages. I know some porn addict will chime in with Ranni or Nu Zelda but we don't get Lara Crofts or Samus Arans anymore.
>>751583143>I know some porn addict will chime in with [new coom] or [new coom] but we don't get [old coom] or [old coom] anymore.
>>751582978>>751583141both of these combined
>>751582873If a toddler can draw it and you still recognize the character from their drawing, then it's a good design.
>>751582873>Both designs take the same amount of work>Wait actually it takes MORE workI don't disagree but this kind of argumentation pisses me off to no end. Make a consistent case and stop shifting your own goalpost, it makes you look desperate to be proven right.
>the secret to good character designNo checklists of any kind
>>751582873I'm sick of how puritan everybody is nowadays. When did this shit even start?
>>751583280incorrect. You just need the right checklist.>Fat ass>thick thighs>big tits
>>751582873Attractive anthro girl = instant good design
>>751582873Shobon.... I don't even recognize you any more.
>>751582873if men like it = bad designits all about just hating (white) men.
>>751583046feminists are literally just the 'have nots' of women that are so miserable that men dont want them for a long term relationship. so they take that out on everyone else and have a general sour grapes mindset.
>>751582873No pants on womenSkirts onlyFinal destination
>>751583528TRVKE
>>751583303it started when jews gaslit browns into screaming that they hate anime despite loving naruturd and wanpiss
>>751582873Right is people still talk about this toon character on the internet after 30-40 years.
>>751582873i wish i were a badly designed female character
>>751582873Simple and pleasant to look at are the only boxes you should check. Other than a random porn-tier design blowing up for 5 minutes, the designs with the most staying power primarily tick those two boxes.
It's quite simple, actually
>>751582873>loved for generations afterThat's not true nowadays when gacha has 1000000 sameface whores in skimpy dresses whom no one can tell apart from each other and who get instantly forgotten once their fad on social media passes.
>>751582873Yeah. Except na bodies should be switched.
>>751586413More like this iirc
>>751586507you are correct, thank you anon
>>751586507somebody gets it.
>>751585293What the fuck are you talking about. Browns and blacks are the only ones consuming modern anime slop.
>>751582873>both explicitly stated to be female>still uses them>Whats the secret to good character design?Not being an idpol obsessed retard is a good start.inb4 semantical bullshit jewery
>>751582873Gap moe. Every good design utilizes some form or degree of gap moe.
>>751583431ASUNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>>751586507YES
>>751582873I don't care about the secret, or making good characters. That's my job, but I can definitely tell you when someone fucked up if that is their job.
>>751583143E33 maybe? I didn't play it.
>>751586413he's too based for this world
>>751583303When we welcomed the third (brown) world on the internet. They still worship sky wizards who hate sexuality. Plus they give their fucking grade-schoolers smartphones with unfettered access to everything and then bitch and moan when their kids see something inappropriate.4chan used to repel prudes before blue boards, but we can't have NSFW boards anymore because they will just get spammed with shitty porn until they become another /b/.
>>751583698Fox girls have been ruined for me by all the psycho erp fags.
>>751588668They only like top 10 shonenslop and constantly complain about fanservice
>>751582873I don't know about culture war shit but how Bayonetta went from a disgusting fanservice sex object to a feminist LGBT icon still baffles me.
>>751591691>but we can't have NSFW boards anymore because they will just get spammed with shitty porn until they become another /b/.How puritan of you to complain about that
>>751582873>ai-generated fucking stick figure>ESL barely cohesive english>43 replies (44 now)I hope this site goes down and never goes back up so I can stop using it
>>751582873Mild to medium caricatured featurewise; must fit within the overarching aesthetic suite. Written to say nothing unless it is crucial to the plot and story.If the game is not a parody or retard game then no jokes, no quips or social commentary. Follow the guideline above. Humanizing anyone outside of those meant to be cared for/about is a mistake, never do this. Never loredump, the void filled by the player/reader/viewers imagination is far more legendary than anything that could be delivered by dialogue or cinematic. Good example: the movies Hellraiser 1 vs Hellraiser 2 You have to consider the "world" when you build a character.
>>751592263no one's holding you here anon, you can leave anytime you want
>>751592008/b/ used to be the cultural epicenter of the internet. Memes we still use today were born there.I like NSFW boards. I miss fully NSFW 4chan, but I know the average phone posting retard can't help himself and will just flood a board with low quality trash until no one uses it anymore (/b/). This is our reality now.Fuck, I'm a furry and I support rule 3c. Yiffposters would dominate a board with hard blush porn until there was nothing left but that. I get it. Some morons want their cake and to eat it too. There has to be some kind of control.
>>751592263>ESL barely cohesive englishThe English was fine, this is what the children call a skill issue, aka you're an idiot.
>here comes the WOKE MOB
>>751592437>debate on the characters gender>draw pieces of them>a "own">usually is horrible written with an insufferable>all of the sudden>can't like them without being call porn addictedIf I were your teacher I'd give you a D, but I don't teach classes in Brazil.>>751592324It's an addiction at this point, I tell myself it's at least not social media like it's any good solace.
>>751582873Name ten examples for both.
>>751582873
>>751583143Seconding >>751583192, how the fuck are you calling Ranni fans porn addicts (when at best they're waifufags) while jerking off Croft when she was one of the bigger "sex sells" designs? She was effectively 2B but for tits instead of ass.
>>751591472I know the drawing implies it but it needed notes about how the skirt should be as short as possible (to the point her asscheeks are visible) and the top as cropped as possible (to the point it basically becomes a bra that reveals underboob and the lack of a bra underneath)
>>751583528Name more examples of that.
I don't like extreme coombait design and I dont like androgynous females. I think the modern RE games do a good job at creating good looking female characters that also look cool when they need to and there is enough variety>but you cant look up ashley's skirtyeah I dont think thats making a comeback in big budget games
>>751593159I recognize all the male characters except for the little guy on the right. Is he supposed to be a klayman or something?
"good X design" rules don't exist so i can't say
>>751593159...are those all rapist male characters?
>>751593869No. The women just changed their minds about them after the fact.
>>751583431>big titsUnnecessary
>>751592263OP is only there to start the thread. Nothing else.
>>751586657Whoopi Goldberg!?!?!?
>>751586507fixed
>>751593623i think it was some "so deep" comic about keys and shit
>>751591873>constantly complain about fanservicei thought it was the zoomer wiggers
>>751582873>women don't have hips and tits in real life
>>751582873Blue hairShort hair Big breast Big hips Hair beads V I X E N
>>751583528This goat lady's game came out over 3 years ago now. You'd think there would be more 3D anthro chicks in games. What the frick are indies doing?
>>751582873making offtopic threads on /v/ as a thinly veiled excuse to post retarded offtopic coomer shit on /v/
>>751582873>all of the sudden
>>751582873left doesn't sell a game, right sells to the lowest common denominator.with left you need a game good enough that a character becomes beloved.with right you need to gatekeep to keep the retards out.
>>751599115Copious amounts of sex with this vixen
>>751593159The cinematic rapeverse
>>751582873>complex design = good designbut>being unable to re-draw it from memory = bad designusually the best designe are those who managed to be as complex as possible while being able to be drawn after looking at it only once.
>>751583192>cannot suggest a new video game female cultural iconAloy? Lucia? Fable-girl?
>>751583303the 70s, but it didn’t start gaining massive momentum until the 2000s
>>751592524I say this but don’t look like this>>751594127that’s clearly kamala harris
>>751582873A non-sexy woman is a paradox. If you only give her male traits, then you've basically designed a man. There is no female representation. But if you give her feminine traits, you're a "sexist". Whether you like it or hate it, female traits basically boil down to "what is sexually attractive?". Men don't have this problem because our bodies are foremost designed for practicality. You see muscles and abs, you think "strong, brave, dependable". Attraction is mostly secondary. Unfortunately big ass and tits don't really serve any purpose besides sex appeal and being motherly.It's unreasonable to have female representation and expect to not be objectified. You will always have men lusting after you. I think what's more important than censorship is showing that sexy women can also have identities. I feel that 90s cartoons had that trope where a hot lady showed off her smarts to prove men "wrong". But nowadays it's the worst of both worlds. Ugly women with horrible/no personalities.
>>751594514unf. There is it, the fix. >>751586507 and >>751586413 are completely unacceptable as some of us still remember the 1990s bad plastic surgery trend that was pushed as attractive. Women with bolt-on bowling-ball tits that hung too high on plastic women still disgusts me to this day. Fucking terrible, terrible decade of chopped up woman and anorexia being pushed. God awful.
>>751582873idg why western dev's aversion to pear body shapeeven in the old "based" vidya they seem obsessed with reversed triangle shape, wide shoulders with narrow hips, which is like the least hot female body shapebest thing you'd get is hourglass like lara croft but there's almost no pears, meanwhile asian devs is all about pearswhat's up with that? wide hips on a female should attract all males on a primal level
>>751582873its literally not even true though>big tits"oversexualized, male gaze, etc">small tits"pedo bait"not just that, they actively see any child (no matter how good or innocent of a character) as pedo bait (see Pragmata)ironically they themselves are the ones policing women's bodies, literal victorian ideologythese people dont have positions, they have oppositions. whatever makes the "other side" madthe only time they like women in games is when they look like men lol
>>751591691>When we welcomed the third (brown) world on the internet.bullshit the brown people will rape eachother without anything better to dono this comes from extreme right and left-wing moralfags who are ashamed of their own sexuality so they have to shit on everyone else
>>751599021It's both, it's a westoid thing
>>751593159Old hag
>>751583143That's because it's impossible to look into the future and know what from today's flavors of the month/year will stand the test of time.2B's most recent iconic female design I can think of between how recognizable she is among core gamers to be tossed around like a birthday stripper for collab events, and how much of a grip she still has on the coom scene a nearly decade after her debut.
>>751602467wide shoulders with narrow hips is a description of the male formi also feel like you might be confusing hips with waistmaybe you can provide better examples? the one you posted from wolfenstein would be an athletic body type with sleek features not pronounced like a pear shape
>>751602467Look up Y2K beauty standards first, zoomer. Skinny white women were meta at the time, big butts were a niche interest. Of course devs were using what was popular at the time.
>>751582873Not listening to women, browns, or jews.
>>751583143I’m a homo, so not the best judge of female attractiveness, but is Ranni really popular with the coomer crowd? She’s got an iconic look, but nothing about her shouts ‘made specifically to pander to horny men’ to me
>>751602467>>751604567It goes deeper than fashion standards.Being disinterested in wide hips and more interested in large breasts is a sign of arrested development.
>>751605285slim figure is indicative of youth, which is likely what devs wanted to portrayheavy focus on older women as is the case nowadays is clearly a psyop
>>751582873I hate women so much, bros.
>>751583528>>751599115When are we getting another delicious furlady game again?
>>751605624>slim figure is indicative of youth, which is likely what devs wanted to portrayAbsolutely not. Most of these slim figures usually have very large breasts and typical "womanly" faces, along with being relatively tall.If they wanted to portray youth, they'd have them be slim and petite, not tall and booby with zero ass.I remember that time, girls were very concerned with "not having a big butt" due to these weird standards that no man cared for. They were pushed by Jews and homosexual fashion industry types.
>>751605853FASTER
>>751582873I don't like female warriors, but I still respect them a lot more if they wear proper armor with actual coverage, plate, mail, furs and padding, as opposed to wearing a metal bikini.Basically a tiny shitty weak warrior, not an exotic prostitude or onlyfans whore that somehow can fight monsters and armored warriors.
>>751606197Yes, but chainmail bikini warrior still exist as stuff like Valkyries or other mythical hot sexy babes with blades.
>>751591691What is the point of blue boards? Advertisers? Not even 2ch has blue boards. Now sometimes /a/ doesn't let you post certain rips without censoring the content on it.
>>751593623They all look like they were drawn by a woman.
>>751602467christian traditions meant most people didn't really understand sexydoesnt mean sexy designs didnt exist but they were often kinda inferior to japan's
>>751593159Unacceptable. Quick, include this character in our action game about war and going on adventures
>>751582873This
>>751583143I really like Lisbeth
>>751606070big boobs and slim figure is a distinctly japanese trend but it wasnt the only thing they pushed in their character designsim not going to go over the entire history of video game character design to prove a pointyouthful girls WILL have slim figures unless theyve taken to gorging themselves with high sugar foods and no exercisein order to portray a stereotypical youthful girl, the character designers will use slim figures as a basis and work from therebreasts beyond a certain size would imply advanced age and a pear shape would imply motherlinessheight is negligble as an indicator of youth because women are generally smaller than males with exceptions being deliberate design choicesfor the record when i say youth i dont mean specifically child characters or peopleyouthful characteristics can be identified on people as high as 20 or even morehopefully your personal definition of youth isnt so narrow as to only apply to a small and specific age range
>>751607421>>751607494Oh look, the fatfags woke up.
>>751591453he was probably talking about heterosexual designs
>>751591691Fascinating. From "only brown people could like this 'coomer' designs" to "these kinds of designs are a consequence of browns puritanism."
>>751582873I think it's only fair we give the men massive boobs and asscheeks too
>>751607951Oh, top of the morning to ya laddy!
>>751582873I don't see why we can't just have both? Let character designs be varied it's not that hard
>>751607874Nobody was talking about Japan you brainfried weaboo faggot.
>>751582873I want more female characters like this in gaming
>>751583143>ranni>porn addictshe doesn't even have breastshave you even played Elden Ring? Or do you base all your opinions on internet memes?
>>751582873>good female character design>people debate on the characters genderso... don't draw a female?
>>751582873Personally, I love my fit bitches
>>751583046Feminists remind me of those fat ugly trailer trash /v/ users who call every male character who's thin and doesn't have a beard a "twink"
I hate extreme proportions. It sometimes feels like controlled opposition to prevent men from having what they really want.
>>751604307no i mean their shoulders are almost always equal or wider than hips, the wolfenstein one i posted obviously has shoulders a little bit bit widerand i see that like all the time in games, take all bethesda games for example, mass effect, dragon age, jedi knight academy, idk just shooting at random games here, all have females with shoulders at least slightly wider than hips, i just don't get the appeal of wide shoulders on females at all>>751604567i'm not talking about fat or athleticism in general, i'm talking about bone structure, a pear shaped female can be slim it actually looks very alluring on them
>>751610604How is it your fault if other people are stupid and can't interpret and discuss your character properly lmao
>>751583303It's time to stop calling feminists "puritan." This isn't a religious movement.
>>751609740This kind of character is unironically just as hated by modern design fags. Non human characters are seen as problematic because they "take" roles that could have been filled by minorities and women.
>>751609740You mean the neon steven universe blob on the left?
>>751586413my Nami wife
>>751610928Its just realism. Having shoulders narrower than hips on women is very rare.
>>7515833032008, wonder what happened there?
>>751611218Everyone loves Jeanne though. She gets porn made by chuds and wokies.
>>751591958After it was repeatedly pointed out that a woman was involved and they couldn't twist narrative.
>>751611235Fern is great. and is stacked
>>751604567beauty standards are set by gays, literally
You know, just about any design can be sexy if you just make it sexy enough. There are all kinds of appeal in the world.The bodies in Veilguard are always going to be disgusting, but its not neccesaripy because of their figures.You can make a fit, athletic woman with a rectangular or inverted triangle physique appealing with the right framing. And I don't mean "make her look like she has hips" - no, you can flatter her actual features in aluring ways.Likewise, there is not even a neccesity for a female character to have big boobs, thighs, or butt to be attractive - this much should be glaringly obvious if we consider the beauty standards of not even 10 years ago. People still like plenty of characters designed under those beauty standards!There are attractive ways to frame nearly any shape, and unattractive ways. It really just comes down to the skill and intent of the designers, and the preference of the viewer.
>>751583303It's not Puritans it's just spite for men coming from leftover women. Their spite is what prevents them from creating something that men enjoy.
>>751611558You would think so, but if we actually look at what figures got male attention it tells a different story. During the height of the "gamine" aesthetic lots of boyish women were being doggedly pursued by men, and got lots and lots of horny letters. I seriously doubt that many men were gay.
>>751583143Brown moment.
>>751611401I'm talking about the industry. She only exists because Look Outside was an independent project.
>>751583143>I know some porn addict will chime in with Ranni or Nu Zelda but we don't get Lara Crofts or Samus Arans anymore.This is genuinely one of the bizarre opinions I've ever seen. I cannot even fathom what form of logic was employed here.
>>751604827>A design so good that the brother blushes at her sister wearing thatLegend of Twilight was fun.
>>751583143Name me one iconic male lead in the last 5 years and get back to me on complaining about female leads.
>>751583143Eve2b
>>751611759I really should give the entire series a solid go. I go up to Quarantine in IMOQ and had to skip Vol. 2 of G.U. back when I first played it since I couldn't fucking find it at the time.Really hoping they don't fuck up the nu-make, the designs aren't really wowing me.
>>751583303When I opened the image the absolutely grotesque pics of Lucilia bufonivora victims flashed through my mind. I hope that frog is just hibernating.
>>751611837Ok, but plenty of adult women don't have the paets that are "more defined and curvy".This image is rather flawed, no?
>>751611932Typically if a woman doesn't have curves then it's a man
>>751611905Desert rain frog. They stay underground a lot to stay moist.
>>751611218Yeah I know but a man can still dream can't he?
>left: female>right: mannow it's game time.
>>751611837>petiteIt just looks like a normal woman though? What is a normal woman according to this?
>>751582873>the world is black and whiteWhat a retarded image and an even more retarded OP
>>751612149You're correct it is a normal woman. That image just illustrates the difference between loli and hebe pretty much.
>>751612015>hasn't seen many irl womenSad
>>751612292Its Indians, unironically. European body shapes are alien to them
>>751611218>No art of Jeanne's tangled knot of limbs "core" it's all just her head/neck tentacleCome on artists get on it
>>751583202Ah yes, loved that show and the OSThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfpc_1bK8ao
>>751611847I hope CC2 drops a gameplay trailer soon, I guess this version of The World will be inspired by modern MMOs like FFXIV, PSO2, and DQX
>>751612415I'm wondering, could devs rack up the ESG points by just making one character in their cast that's a 10 in every criterion?
>>751612613Fuck this brings back so many memories. Shame a production like this can't never happen again. This show was absurd.>Ukrainian production>with cooperation from russia>filmed in Ukraine IN ENGLISH and GERMAN>dubbed in RUSSIAN immediately>this made it feel more authentic because that's how our TV was at that time - western shows overdubbed in low quality.>extremely racist, sexist, xenofobichttps://youtu.be/pdiUDDAew3I?t=71https://youtu.be/nmx_kLIDCHI?t=70
>>751582873Tits.
>>751611508Her boobs just got even more bigger with the recent style change
>>751615560Fuck, that's an unfortunate typo
>>751583143>know some porn addict will chime in This is an asinine comment. The only female characters that are going to be popular will be those that coomers like. Coomers like attractive women, and only attractive women will gain popularity in a wider context.You are somewhat correct though in that there aren't popular female protagonists, because the ones that carry games are goonbait by design, and the ones that aren't goonbait but are popular are usually NPCs or side characters in games with a large cast.
>>751593159wait, the rape scribble has junk hanging off the bottom?!i need to find the original to confirm
>>751613015post ussr tv was probably the most bizzare thing that ever happened
>>751616221It was the perfect storm>highly educated people from USSR>decades of creative censoring, no creative outlet for super creative people>suddenly, in one moment>"yeah, now you can do whatever"It's like if 4chan users were as edgy, but not as retarded, and suddenly on normie internet (insta, tiktok, youtube) there were basically zero rules again.
>>751612838This anon clearly has the memory of a goldfish.
>>751583143>>751615949Name me a popular female character that wasn't sexy or cute. Name One.
>>751583303>nowadaysIt's the default state.We only get genuine freedom of expression as cultural power is being exchanged from one extreme to the next.Same way tits are being censored by leftfags consolidating power using feminism and fags, it was (and will be) censored by rightfags due to consolidating power with moralfagging and decency.I can only hope I live long enough to see another round of good times as power is lost again.
>>751582873It was funny that when Pokemon Go made everyone look like a tranny the people seething the most were women saying they now looked hideous.
