doomerbros...

>>493272767
nice crop shitlord

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>>493272767
Here, I did it better than you did and I didn't even have to use shitcord.

cant wait for the patch to be tone deaf and fail

How many of you fellas are swim or sink on this next patch?
If it flops, I’m done. Just uninstalling and forgetting it.
I’ve been patient enough, but I refuse to be dragged around for months/years again hoping for a game to just be ‘fixed’.
I did it once, and I’m too old for it again.

Doomer sisters... our cope?

>>493272224
My dream for helldivers 2 and currency is the following. My goals aim to make the galatic war feel more lively, and affected by player involvement, while giving more incentive to play on major order planets.
>Req slips
Very basic. Just let players convert them into super credits. 10,000 req slips = 10 super credits, or less if thats too easy. If SC are gonna be easy to farm on 1 missions, then it might as well be something you can more consistently gain passively at higher levels.
>Medals
See >>493271485
>Samples
First off, give us a codex we can unlock with samples, that gives us enemy profiles, flavor text, and maybe shows stats, and armor values on limbs.

Second and more importantly, allow us to donate samples to planets affected by a major order, to give various benefits on those planets. For example, on a bug planet, if we donate X amount of samples, Super earth creates a bug bomb that spreads pheromones across the planet, lowering bugs aggression level, making them less likely to call bug breaches, or do less damage overall.

On a bot planet, maybe Super earth uses the samples to create an EMP blast, that can disable all bots in an area for 30 seconds once or twice per mission. This would again give incentive to play on MO planets, for these benefits, and give players the feeling on contributing to an MO, and gaining a real foothold on planets.

Inversely, this could open up possible enemy counter attacks. For example, the bots respond to our EMP attacks by deploying heavier reinforcements, more of a certain structure, or their own unique attacks, with the aim being to destroy our EMP weapons, and now we have a sub objective on that planet, to hold off the attack, or we lose the benefits our samples provided. It would create greater back and forth on planets, and make the war feel way more alive.

>>493274735
The patch will be a buggy mess like literally every other patch, even if fixes the balance (which I doubt)

>>493274571
This game isn't a full time job like other live service games are, so I'll just continue to play on and off.

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>>493274571
I don't really care either way
I'm having fun right now but i don't play much, like maybe an operation every two days, if the update is good then cool, if not it probably won't change much for me
Anyway, back to Deadlock

>>493275067
Doomer sissy, bend over.

Maybe when player numbers regularly start with a 2 again

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>>493274735
The AP system rework is an unnecessary change, and it's the actual make or break of this patch. There was zero need to change the AP system or how it works, and I imagine a huge amount of dev time has to go into actually changing these things in a material/substantial way.

When you're
>1) Reworking a system that completely changes the game and all weapons forever.
on
>2) A self-imposed time constraint after promising your flighty playerbase you'll do better
when
>3) Nobody even asked for an AP system rework, and the AP system would've been fine with out

You're setting the stage for disaster, or at least something that'll have to be thoroughly reworked AGAIN in the future. There was absolutely zero reason for this change, nobody asked for it and nobody wants it. The game's balance worked out perfectly without it. The balance issue was with EXTRINSIC CHANGES TO WEAPONS, rather than anything relating to the system itself.

I'm not ready to be a doomer yet, especially because the orbital napalm is fun, but a rework is super unnecessary and it feels completely indulgent. Why is dev time being spent on something so completely irrelevant?

>use bot infinite rockets as a counterpoint for their realism autism
>they miss the point completely and give bots limited rockets
Why are they so retarded

>>493274571
Eh, I already enjoy the game a lot in its current state as long as I'm paying with anons. Don't really care about fixes

>>493274571
You already paid for the game, the devs got their money. I don't understand all the people threatening with leaving like this was a monthly subscription service game.

>>493275423
Limited rockets is fine but they'll nerf it to something stupid like only 2 volleys instead of something fun like 3-5 and then a single rocket every few seconds

>>493276017
I got 500 hours out of it. I enjoyed it so if somehow this patch crashes and burns, I'm fine with walking away. I got my money's worth.

>>493274571
I haven't played in almost 3 weeks now so this is their last chance to pull me back before I actually uninstall.

>>493276017
normalfags don't farm SC, so they make money off warbond drops and super store purchases
unfortunately, they just started releasing them slower and with less and pre-nerfed content

>>493276017
This, also why must they be so dramatic and leave instead of taking a break. I have plenty of games i play on/off, il just come back, check out new content or do a new playthrough and play nonstop for like 2 weeks and then go back to another game.

>>493275367
They aren't completely changing the AP system idiot they're just shuffling values around

I still don't understand why the Lib carbine exists
It's literally just a worse Liberator with an awful scope slapped on, and it's not like the Lib is particulary good in the first place

>>493276017
>maek superstore
>maek warbonds
>maek funbux
>urrh y player matter??
Real intellectuals in here I see.

>>493275367
>people weren’t complaining about AP/armor
The fuck you smoking? Yes they were. Complaints about any heavy enemies behind hard to kill(namely chargers and bt) are direct complaints about armor. Anti-tank weapons being ineffective on armored targets consistently is a result of a flawed, or poorly-tuned armor system.
Many strategems are viable or not strictly on their ability to deal with armor except for ones that are specifically non-armor targeting.

>>493276817
Ideas guy, implementation retard and balancing faggot are all 3 different people pulling in opposite directions

>>493276796
>"We are reworking Armour Penetration"

>>493276017
It's a live service game, wagieboomers buying 10$ worth of SC every month or so is a great revenue source. Or it would be if warbonds weren't so dogshit and didn't come with the risk of the one gun worth anything getting nerfed next patch

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d10 bug

>>493275367
This is the correct take. I'll also add that the biggest single change they could make to recoup (some) goodwill would be to fix the fucking flamethrower. And when is flamethrower being updated? AFTER the 17th. They're literally taking the highest risk path instead of the low risk path. Shit, just tackle the low hanging fruit first! Why is this so fucking hard?

>>493276017
I guess reputation means nothing to you?

>>493277368
Keep reading holy shit
>We are reworking Armour Penetration (COMMA) AT weapons (COMMA) and enemy armor and health VALUES. As an initial BALANCING pass
Actual room temperature IQ

>>493277432
3/4
join JOIN

>>493277432
full

>>493277278
>>493277828
NTA but you are glossing over the first 2 points anon made and just focusing on the 3rd point. Completely reworking armor on a short timeline is a fucking terrible idea.

>>493277660
It obviously doesn't matter to Arrowhead lol

>>493276526
>>493277179
>>493277430
What farming? The pause between warbonds was so huge that anyone just casually playing coould easily rack up 1000 credits. And most of the grind is farming samples which YOU CAN'T BUY in game. This isn't a game for whales. There's barely any content to unlock as is.

>>493278440
if they didnt make it 3 month breaks between bonds it'd be fine
1 month breaks for boomers isnt enough to farm 1k sc

Best way to farm SC while just playing? I've noticed a significant dip in amount I've found after 10 dropped, do the mega bases block POIs from spawning as much? Or is everyone just retarded on 10 and panic running constantly not hitting any of them anymore.

>>493278440
Yeah I might play 2 missions a day and am in no danger of not having 1k sewer credits
>>493278596
1 month is fine for these imaginary boomers you conjured up because they would play on lower difficulties where sewer credits are more prevalent.

>>493278383
The second guy is right tho. The ‘rushed rework’ does boil down to ‘enemy numbers down player numbers up’. They aren't changing the functional mechanics.

>>493278751
>Best way to farm SC while just playing?
Fuck around with noobs on d1-d3

I can almost tell that the reason they're making hulks have less armour is because of the stream they had where they shot at a hulk with incel breakers and did fuck all to it. Hulks were just too much of a knowledge check for the normies they had playing their game for that EoS stream.

>>493278440
Idk, after the initial month i play rarely and after buying only 2 bonds i have enough credits to barely buy 2 more.

>>493278768
They may not be changing the mechanics, anon, but do you trust AH to not cause even more crashes? Shit, the way this game functions it's like they change a 6 to a 4 in an xml file and the game bursts into flames (that are nerfed into oblivion by the way).

https://youtu.be/79DijItQXMM?si=VW1YbzFQ3b_VVuSR

Just gonna leave this here

>>493278962
That is 100% the reason. Hulk is honestly fine. They only need to fix enemies shooting through geometry and climbing geometry and Hulk would be perfect.

>>493278440
You overestimate how long normalfags play the same game between updates. When warbonds drop, the game gets flooded by terrible players who obviously didn't play in a long time but are still trying the new weapons

>>493279216
Thank you.

>>493275367
>The AP system rework is an unnecessary change, and it's the actual make or break of this patch.

Most enemies in some way have armor in which usable primary weapons can't go though. Enemies that have armor have weak points that can be killed with unarmored weapons. Enemies that have weak points that are armored are the problem. Enemies that can be killed faster by breaking the fatal armor component all together are the least dangerous in the game. Medium armor penetration guns had been shit on the entire game. Some light damage guns do more raw damage than medium, or can bypass armor damage reduction.

It's not about armor values, it's more about weapon usability because by the end of the day 60% of the armory is shelved because of armor values and HP pools. When was the last time you actually used a rifle over a shotgun? A machinegun over an AT launcher? A grenade launcher over an autocannon? These are easy questions because the second answer is "I don't remember".

>>493279302
You’re welcome

>>493279284
>>493278962
agreed. hulk is one of my favorite enemies to fight in the game. diving and circling around them or trying to take out the eye from a distance or shooting their back while they are going after a teammate.

>>493279302
>>493279497
Dammit.

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>the announcement contained nothing but details we already knew, aside from the date the update is coming out
>zero mention of mechs
>zero mention of the effectiveness of primary weapons, assault rifles

>>493278835
Even if I don't have a lad or two? I considered just bumping back down to 9 to get more POIs but when I tried it this morning I got some russians that killed themselves constantly, or actual literal level 15s that bitched about behemoth chargers being overpowered and "impossible to kill 1v1"

>>493273440
50% more nerfs and 50% less fun. Got it.

>>493280029
Honestly I'd say just decide what you want to do, play or farm SC because the two are basically mutually exclusive. Best SC farm is objective d1-d3 even if you don't have someone to open bunkers.

>>493278962
>hulk nerfs
Can they go a single update without nerfing something? Hulks were fine. I'm tired at how they cater to the lowest common denominator, like the average normie couldn't kill a hulk with a precision weapon so they just dial back its health. Now the hulk is gonna be just another enemy that goes down to an eagle airstrike. Someone take this game away from them.

>>493279447
I fuck around so i use all of it randomly, the issue is the fucking secondary damage being shit on most weapons for very little reason. Especially so on med pen weapons that usully have nerfed primary dmg on top.

>4 impalers in one single bug breach
God, even fucking payday figured out you need to put caps on the amount of specials alive at the same time for fuck's sake.

>>493280507
Payday has screenwide nukes that can't compensate?

> Health
> + Individual body healthpools
> + Bodypart health pool bleed to main health %
> + Armor Pen
> + Durable damage reduction
As a game design autist I can appreciate this level of depth, but the few people they have working on design can't keep track of this shit.
As soon as the weapon/enemy stats site came out, it was also clear they don't have a good internal spreadsheet for things like breakpoints.
They should scrap durable damage, make 2-3 uniform limb "types" for main health pool damage, and make AP a % damage reduction based on how much AP your weapon lacks compared to the targets armor.
Less cool system but its clear they aren't competent enough to work with what they have.
Also, actual weapon stats/armor info in the fucking game.

>>493279447
AT launcher just aren't worth using at all, apart the spear and commando. And even those are meh.

OPS and 500kg are far better anti-tank options than dedicated anti-tank support weapons - simply because they one-shot the enemies you shoot at. Heavy enemies have massive main HP pools, and I guess they have to or they'd fall to a single Eagle Airstrike. The problem there is that it makes heavy AT effectively worthless since it just doesn't deal enough damage to one-shot and reloads are painfully slow.

>>493280358

Reddit asked for the game to be easier. The game is now easier.

This is what you wanted.

>>493278962
>hulk nerf
Fucking why? I think Hulk could use a buff.

>>493281058
My autism loves the concept of the health system but the reality of it is that it's difficult to "get right" and even more difficult to concisely convey to players in a meaningful way. As a result it's a terrible health system.

>>493280507
Numbers are the only way they can up the difficulty though. Payday, like most games, just scales enemies by HP/stat bloat, whereas Helldivers don't do that and just compensates through harder enemies and numbers. I'd rather more enemies than enemies that just become bullet sponges, and I think the community opinion of the behemoth chargers vs. normal chargers generally reflects that sentiment.

>>493281058
durable damage makes no sense anyway and would only make sense if spalling mechanics were implemented, as it is currently not penning completely nullifies damage and penning also neuters damage.

>>493281058
They don't like break points. Turns out what they actually want is random damage within a range like it's Doom 1993, they just don't know it.

>>493281058
For me the issue is that it feels fucking retarded that you can blow open a behemoths ass. Open up its back/side. Guts are spilling out left right and center.
You can also fire a RR directly into its face for good measure.
And at the end of it all, it's still not dead. Why? Because health-pools aren't connected.

The whole system revolving around targeting one single part is so obnoxious because it makes you waste shots despite hitting the target.
Oh the bile titan wiggled around and you hit the leg? That's a wasted shot bro. Literally doesn't matter that you hit it lol.
Hit the back carapace, but landed the 2nd shot on the mid-section instead? Too bad bro, now you have to fire yet another rocket, better hope a leg doesn't get in the way lmao.

>>493280358
It would be cool if AT launchers were effective against them. It's retarded that they eat 3 RR shots to the body.

>>493282394
>>493282616
>>493283171
On release the overall stats kind of made sense, but the changes they have made since then to bandaid certain weapons being too strong has fucked readability and consistency. Most of this shit is completely hidden and unexplained so when it doesn't follow any particular pattern you stop trying to understand it and just use the spear.
How would anyone understand why the railgun is so effective against some targets but useless on others? I barely understand when I should bother shooting a charger's ass and all I play is 10s. Why bother when spear go boom?

>>493282954
My favorite weapon (for better or worse) since release is the JAR. Watching them buff/nerf the damage randomly while trying to figure out how they chose those numbers has been fascinating.
They clearly don't want random damage though, they just can't wrap their heads around the system they have designed to it *seems* like its random.

swedes can't make games

>>493285798
I can only think of Satisfactory being the single exception. Development is slow but at least people don't dread every update like they do this game.

>>493283171
Oh, this shit made me livid when ended up shooting a charger from all direction and it took fucking 5 shots to kill. It's only later i realised that enemy hp pool is not fucking uniformal when "realism" dictates that at least a portion of all dmg dealt to the target should reach the main hp pool.
Instead i had a charger with both sides open, blown out leg and ass, and the 5th shot to the side killed it.

>>493285798
Battlefield used to be good.

>>493286432
>blown out ass
Not the visual I wanted for a charger.

>>493287036
So did Helldivers at one point

>>493288124
No, HD2 has never been good, you were just blinded by the hype, newness, and potential.

>>493274571
>If it flops, I’m done
Why
You've stuck around after three rounds of
>lol I guess we fucked up, we'll totes do better the next time though!
What's one more?

>>493288420
>HD2 has never been good,
It was good though
It had the potential to be great

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>game set up as very promising
>fails after initial success
>picks up a bit only to do absolutely nothing worthy for its entire existence
What's its name /vg/?

>>493288526
This. The last couple have been sink or swim, make or break, so even though I've given up on making it, I just vibe on bugs and try not to think about it until they sap ALL the fun away from me. Flamethrower was damn close though. I didn't play for about a week after finishing the warbond.

>>493288993
Darktide

>>493288420
it was good if you started day 1 because the first few days of people being goofballs with basic gear and unlocking new weapons and difficulty levels all together actually felt like a campaign
day 1 was different from day 2, day to different from day 3 as the players creeped up towards level 20
and in all of that learning how the weapons work and what the strategies are

now a new player will start the game and everything will be unlocked and available to all the other players on the team and the mechanics are well documented and reported on at this point online so there's no discovery
hate to say it but if you missed the launch window you really missed out on this game

>>493289249
Discovering you could down dropships felt amazing

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>doomers panicking

They need to fix durability, and fix how splash to main works.

Weak points should be doing more damage to the main, like just multiplicatively instead of halving the damage.

We NEED more overlap with precision damage and exploding damage. I hate the 4 red soup meta.

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>>493277660
Does reputation mean anything in terms of video games?

LoL is publicly hated and still massively famous
DbD is publicly hated and still massively famous
Destiny 2 has a flow chart of the community abuse cycle and look at their player numbers
Call of Duty has been slop for at least a decade and at this point even the normies know it and they still hit record numbers
csgo and it's clones have infamous cheating issues in ranked modes and it doesn't stop anyone from playing apparently
Ubisoft and Bethesda both release the same trash every new release of the same series and people know it, yet they buy it.
Titanfall 2 was abandoned harder than a single mother and people would buy a dlc to-fucking-morrow if they released one for it
Team Fortress 2 literally only gets hat and community map updates while the game was left to rot to bots for what like a decade until valve finally decided to fix it recently, and honestly they could have just not done it and people would still play it
Starbreeze released literal pay2win to payday 2 and it's numbers are still massive, Payday 3 failed because the tards legit don't understand why people liked payday 2. They could release dlc for payday 2 forever and people will buy it
Tripwire promised Killing floor 2 wouldn't have paid weapons and they did it anyway and people still play it
Blizzard, just in general
Darktide is still not what was promised and still keeps /coopg/ alive and well

Like be real dude, what matters is that people give you money. You can literally slap a player in the face and they'll still pay for dlc, what exactly is the incentive to be good to players when they show time and time again that they give not a single fuck about you earning loyalty. If your game is fun to them, you can do whatever you want, and get paid doing it.

>>493288758
>>493289249
Are you telling me the game didn't have issues like:
>excessive ragdoll
>bugs/crashes
>enemies shooting through terrain
>excessive fog/darkness that the enemies can headshot you through at 75m+
>enemies walking straight up mountains
back when it launched? It did. It was fun in spite of that shit but that doesn't mean the game was good. And potential doesn't mean the game is good now or that it was good at any point in the past.

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>>493289000
real

>>493290098
>You can literally slap a player in the face and they'll still pay for dlc
It's a really impressive long con honestly, the name brand vidya gaymes industry spent 20 years building a reputation of generally quality product and then slowly conditioned an entire generation to suck slop for their entire lives. It's fucking disgusting but I can't help but be impressed by how successful their plan was.

>>493290159
If it was fun, it was good
Games are meant to be entertaining
The reason it isn't good anymore it's because it's no longer fun

>>493290159
it was janky as fuck, the jank made it funny especially with the disposable storm trooper fantasy

problem with that is goat simulator isn't something you want long term, and neither is having a character that always sucks. It's like a souls game where you're getting your shit pushed in at the beginning of the game but by the end of it you am become death, but that never happens with this game

I believe a big part of the reason there's no boss battles is because that gives the players a firm end point for the game, complete the raid boss and you can walk away. There's intentionally no end game progression to keep people on the hook

I like alpha commanders, but I hate how they just made yet ANOTHER enemy tanky by just giving it more durability and armor class 2.

There's no reason to run anything but explosives, unless you hyper commit to building your entire kit around headshots.

>>493291236
blast them with the autocannon
massive stagger, death in 4 hits or less

>>493289000
I've been playing solo bugs for the past few weeks cause all my friends got turned off after the patch.

I wanted to like the new shit they gave us. I tried to have fun with it, like just figure out how to make it work and build around it.

And I had a pretty good time when I stopped trying to use the shitty ass torcher

I just wish it was stronger though, it looks and feels so cool.

Success so clearly in view... or is it merely a trick of the light?

>>493291220
>There's intentionally no end game progression to keep people on the hook
That would be more retarded than anything AH has done. If that was their plan they should have just done a simple score counter. Just a high score will keep a lot of autists playing for decades.

>>493291472
a good pop to the head explodes it and you're done, but it practically seems rng. just bop it with a melee when it charges.

>>493291472
Yeah no they're fucking piss easy if you being explosives. That's kinda my point.
Auto cannon feels great, but I wanna fuck around with other shit. I want to do more than just throw like 4 reds at hordes of enemies. I wanna experiment with my loadouts and have some precision weapons with a good niche to them.

Like if they gave us a blue strat, that was just "your primary does double damage and has twice the ammo."
I'd be happy as a greased up pig.

Any lobbies?

>>493288526
not me lol, i quit months ago

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the space marine effect is upon us, the line trends are changing

the helldivers shape is climb to a plateau, then clime from there to the high peak, valley, then clime to a lesser peak, then fall
the high peak isn't peaking, it's leveling off

will be interesting to see what the ultimate shape is

Genuinely asking this for anyone with dev experience.
Is there a reason/advantage to sitting on 30 weapons of changes over say adjusting 4 per week and releasing that to the public?
It seems like extremely bad business to not give the playerbase who you are counting on for future warbond purchases any reason to come back to the game for months at a time after your last several patches were so poorly received

>>493292273
well, AH is bad enough at managing their own code base that releasing a bunch of small changes instead of doing one big lump sum of changes probably helps control the amount of shit they break.

>>493292085
Good lad
I quit after the flamethrower
Entire books can be written on the idiocy of nerfing fire two days before a fire themed warbond, and all because of a weapon that wasn't even op

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>>493274571
I've played WAY too much of hellldivers and i've already cut back on it before EoF (I intended to dive right back in with Freedoms Flame lol lmao)

But i'm sticking around until I see the Squids and subsequent Human Rebel faction
The next patch will though be what I base my play time on when it comes to Memejumpers, I'm becoming a wagie again next week and so I want my off time gaming to be well spent, not being curt tailed by Swiggers.

>>493292273
sony is in charge, they do want people to play other games so they met with arrowhead last week to tell them when their updates are so as to not interfere with other game launches

>>493292273
Biggest bottleneck is ironically Sony, because you need perms from them to update your game. So you can't just update your game whenever the fuck you want to on it. Been that way since the PS3 days, and it's retarded.

>>493292401
This is not a very satisfying answer.
And i am sure it is the correct one.

>>493292273
Sony (compared to xbox or steam) is very slow and restrictive about pushing updates. They either charge the devs a fee for every update or actually just have a hard rule about non-critical update frequency.

>>493292273
patch before EoF was extremely well received

>>493292591
Is that true? I was completely unaware. That seems incredibly retarded and toxic for development.
Also. Even if that is true, cant you get some competent management to constantly grab sony by the ear and tell them when/why you need to do things?

Why does the community worship the AC so much? I very rarely see it on D10 bugs and even against bots it isn't dominating loadouts.

>>493290821
I honestly don't think it was a plan.
I think they just bumbled their way into making more money with less effort. You gotta remember how terrible initial dlc's were.
>Map packs completely segregating player pools
>premade content cut from a game
>fucking horse armour
Then they saved our trust by making dlc too much content for what you paid with entire games as dlc (we will never get another undead nightmare or blood dragon). Then they realized that people are full of vanity and now it's all about the cosmetics, and here we are. If you got pretty enough costumes, your game can run worse and worse every patch and the only people who will notice are the poors, and they don't want poors playing their game anyway.

Either way, I don't mind most the patches in the game. I actually like how the weapons feel and how the stratagems kill. I just think the idea of reputation or loyalty in video games is retarded. When or if the game finally sucks, I'm leaving. Did the same to most the games from my original post, and I will do it again to the next game I liked.

All this talk about armor values & autocannon buffs is insane considering all they need to do to fix 75% of the game is tweak spawn rates for enemy types & overhaul patrol mechanics/spawns

Really hammers home that they just don’t play their own game

>>493293046
>Why does the community worship hands down the best generic answer to everything bot front can throw at you since launch?

>>493293046
It is great vs bots. It is a good option on bugs when you don't want to use 2 blue strats (like supply pack and hmg)

>>493293046
>D10
therein lies the problem, they aren't playing difficulty 10

>>493292591
>>493292978
it's console cert and microsoft does it too, the general idea is testing that your shit works and doesn't brick consoles before pushing it out. with all the shit AH keeps breaking it's good protection in general, but also funny that AH still keeps adding crash bugs or things like infinite drops

>>493293046
it's one of the best support weapons in the game against bots, second only to the RG

>>493292978
Yeah, I remember when I played Chivalry 2 it was always snoyfags making everything slower

>>493292245
I still think (and want to believe) that it's nothing but bait to draw a connection between HD2 and SM2
both the IPs and gameplay are so extremely different from one another that they definitely please different audiences with little overlap
Helldivers 2 is a unique sandbox, SM2 is just standard 3ps fare, to be perfectly honest I already played SM2, before SM1 came out even, it was called Gears of War back then

>>493293046
It's good. I would bring it more if I didn't like drone memes so much, which means taking a support weapon that doesn't need a backpack slot.

>>493293160
Maybe I'm just giving them too much credit, but in my perspective it really seems like a massively coordinated effort across all industries, not just video games. Everything you said about vidya can apply to basically every industry these days. Even critical industries like aviation and space where people die when shit is low quality, see boeing's issues and now their farce with the starliner.

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>>493292245
Even our charts are cute :3

>>493293405
>>493293410
>>493293451
I know it's good versus bots but players act like it's god tier on bugs too. I almost never see it brought to the bug front yet players are acting like this change (which explicitly makes it better versus bugs) is completely out of line. It's weird seeing so much community love for a weapon I practically never see anyone bring.

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>>493283171
This.
They can like double the main HP or some shit, but your damage should be cumulative to the main HP pool. It shouldn't be like chipping away a tiny little chunk when you hit a weak point.

Like it should just be.

Time to kill is relative to your weapon, but for chaff it should be roughly a grenade worth of HP.
So anything that doesn't die just gets cleaned up easy peasy. Heavies should follow a similar principle. Where airstrikes should kill them unless they miss. Then they get cleaned up easy by heavier guns.

Main : aforementioned HP
>Headshots: deal double damage to main, so accuracy and accurate weapons are rewarded. If you focus fire it should in half the time
>Body deals 1 :1 main
>Butt deals 1.5 : 1 ; once destroyed deals 10% damage to main per second, and has much less HP than main
>Limbs deal 1 : 1 , but can be cut off fast and immobilize immediately

So if I throw a grenade and it barely misses. Main should be extremely low, and any shot should kill it instantly regardless where my bullet lands.

If I go for headshots only get half my grenade shot in, I should be killing it pretty fast. Like a warrior should instantly fall over in one tap.

This means all damage is working towards a cumulative kill. Focus fire on a limb will pop it and make a satisfying effect occur.

It's that simple, and it seems close too.

>>493290821
Good graphics and qol/functionality create solid veils that severely impact your perceptions when you try to play the good games from the old times.
I thought RA/TD were fenomenal looking at the time, but after seeing TS/Generals/TW, going back to the origins feels like implied visual and limb pain in comparison.
The remasters made them look much more pleasant, but the 3d ones still mog them in terms of presentation, qol and functionality.
I tried playing dune some time ago due to workplace having a super old barely workfunctional pc with it installed, and it felt miserable. No queues, poor hotkeys, poor unit control and pathfinding, poor sidebar, clunky management, it's like someone tied one of my arms and is actively making it harder for me to use the other. And i fucking cummed all over Dune the very first time i get to try it with it's peculiar basebuilding, unit icons, spice, movement and sfx.
Time warps your perception of things and given the choice, i would return to a game 10 y.o. over a 20 y.o.

>>493293585
i'm with you. other than it being a space shooter that is somewhat inspired by 40k and it being a coop game i'm not seeing the overlap. is it casuals who play coop? sm2 looks like a coop god of war more than hd2.
outside of hd2 fans who were going to play sm2 in the first place, i don't think the crowd that people are going on about leaving for sm2 are even still playing hd2

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who was asking for the big three to get buffs? what about the RR, EAT, or AB, even the RG is shit compared to the big three in a D10.

>>493293840
>yet players are acting like this change (which explicitly makes it better versus bugs) is completely out of line
where are you seeing this? from our doom poster baiting for You's?

>>493293270
I think the spawn rates are perfectly fine honestly. More clarity to how stuff spawns would help though.

>>493293948
i thought RR was better than AC? what's the issue now?

>>493293660
it's too much to get into, especially on /vg/, but it boils down to "when industries have lots of government protection (which includes shittons of regulations that make starting a new company difficult, while existing companies can comply with them easily), they start behaving poorly due to lack of competition." pretty much everyone who can only get comcast or time warner for internet in their area knows that extremely well. with platforms like itch and steam making it easy for anyone to get a game out there, nevermind people who can self publish easily like the guys behind starsector, video games are at least more resilient against the bullshit than most.

i doubt there's coordinated effort, just people seeing things that look like a good idea when you can force them on a captive audience.

>>493293840
I don't think I've ever seen a claim it's god tier on bugs at all let alone d10. Some people say it's bad on d10 bugs, I think it's a good option. It closes bug holes, can hit shrieker nests across the map, kills everything from the front save for chargers and bile titans and doesn't require 2 strat slots to be viable like other support weapons. God tier? No. Pretty good? Yeah.

>>493293948
They one tap behemoths, and bile titans will have their head armor work. While having bottom armor you can actually shoot.
It can't get better than that.

>>493293160
>When or if the game finally sucks, I'm leaving
It's already here

>>493293840
>players act like it's god tier on bugs
it is
best bughole closing tool in the game, best spewer remover in the game, brings chargers to bleedout in four butt shots, very easy to finish off wounded bile titans with, removes shireker nests and spore spewers at any distance, kills stalkers in 1-2 shots, brood and hive guards in one shot, and can clear unlimited amounts of chaff if you have the ammo to waste. there is no better bug weapon than the autocannon. it's the best pick on both sides.

>>493293948
RR is going to one shot chargers according to pilesofshit. He probably means regular chargers though

>>493294380
>doesn't require 2 strat slots to be viable like other support weapons
Like what? You could make the argument the HMG needs a resupply pack but that's about it.

>>493294506
It's basically the best support weapon to do everything when need be.
I think seeing it kill a bile titan when someone else opened it up made it click for me. Its not gonna do stuff on its own, but it works great with everything else, and it can still hold its own well in every situation

>>493294506
So why does nobody bring the AC to bugs? You almost never see it at D10. The attention it receives is weird and disproportionate to it's actual pick rate.

>>493294568
GL, AMR, and RG are also a pain in the dick to ammo manage without a supply pack. AC offers far better loadout flexibility than any of them due to delivering both the weapon and the fat ammo stash in one slot.

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>>493293948
You have to think about things from the perspective of the devs.

Remember:
>the devs, in every stream, use the AC completely incorrectly
>every time they use it, they're just emptying the AC into AP5+ zones, hitting hulk chests or BT foreheads with meaningless shots
>every time the devs have ran the HMG/AMR, they've just used them as generic machine guns or sniper rifles
>the devs have NEVER ONCE been shown to actually understand the weakpoints of enemies in their own game

These are people who probably think AP4 is trash, and they're told that by retarded discord mods and in huge feedback forms written by normalfags and the "teehee I lie about my favorite gun" autists.
The devs probably think the AC is shit, and they have no idea how it should run or feel. It's not "overused" like the incendiary breaker, so they don't know how it's meant to run. It's not "bugged" like the flamer was (btw the trailer showed a flamer killing a charger from an angle you can't anymore after their "fix"), and generally, they just have no fucking idea how any of their guns work. It's super fucking retarded.

>>493294568
I guess it depends on play style but other than HMG I would throw in the grenade launcher and railgun needing the supply pack. If you prefer a more mobile play style than I do then I would agree the supply pack isn't as necessary.

>>493294797
If I ever see anyone bringing the AMR or RG to a bug mission and I'm hosting they're getting kicked

>>493293046
I rarely see them in D10 bots. Most people run RG and reds of their choice

>>493294797
AC gets about the same ammo as AMR, but AMR can carry a suply pack.

>>493295026
RG doesn't need a supply pack if you play and aim well. Just make sure to actually call in the resupplies when your team's all around.

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>>493295315
Malicious code

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>>493294773
aye
it gels beautifully with pretty much everything
my personal favorites to tandem it with are commando/EAT and the railsmasher

ngl my bad to the people in that lobby, wasnt bringing my A game with those strat throws

>>493295410
The Heavenly Slap happens so often it has to be coded behavior

>>493295167
Sure. I tend to not stick with the rest of the team though because most of the time I'm in pub lobbies and most of the time I have to rely on ammo on the map unless I'm on point with calling in resupply. But I also don't want to hog it either. For the way I play I prefer the AC.

>>493294829
I think all of that is bullshit.
They know exactly what the AC does, and what it's stats look like. That's why everything keeps getting high durability stats. Because it just fucking ignores it.
Hell thats why the impaler is built that way. They want to make more AC bait.

I genuinely don't think they're stupid, I think the game is so fucking complicated and the stats were so hidden. So people tried using guns in unintended ways, arrowhead tried to buff them for that.

And now they're just trying to catch up with the new meta that keeps changing.

Like at the core the game makes sense.
It's that the community wants the game to do more than what was originally intended.

>>493295475
It's their fault if they can't just dodge anyways

>>493294475
For you it is, so why not leave? Why be here wasting your time if you don't like the game? I played almost 2500 hours of tf2 and when I left from it sucking I stopped looking at news or discussions of it period. Once a game sucks, it's most likely not going to be good anymore to you.

>>493294782
dunno man, my last bug d10 was three autocannons and a spear
needless to say it was a trivial affair

>>493295616
>I genuinely don't think they're stupid, I think the game is so fucking complicated and the stats were so hidden
that's exactly what makes the swedes so stupid.

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Gotta be real.
I aint got time for anyone under level 70.

If I join a HD9 (HD10 lolwut? Is anyone even playing these?) and a level 20 is in there, I'm leaving.

I'm done, literally done with this game. Niggas aint even doing subjectives anymore - playing as a team, you best be joking, there's fucking nothing.

Queueing for HD10 if it doesn't take you to a level 6 or some shit and you get into a HD10, niggas dont know what they're doing anyway.

>Die
>Lil scrub gibmedat lvl20 picks up your weapon
>Want ressuply?
>nah bro that was called a minute ago half way across the map
>by the lvl20 who calls it everytime its off CD

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>>493295743
desu I think it was

>>493295809
I had about that many hours too. When scout got his first weapon choices I really should have quit then, and I mostly played scout. Stuns and slows fucking suck.

>>493295081
true, but AMR is a bit wimpy on durable damage so if you got enough durable targets you'll run out much quicker than any autocunt

>>493295809
>For you it is, so why not leave
I have
>Why be here wasting your time if you don't like the game?
I post on 4chan because I enjoy it

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>dive into freedom (tower over everyone)
>til the war is won (that day may not ever come)
>dive into freedom (to the beat of heroes drums)
>dive to martyrdom (make your parents oh so proud)

>>493282616
>durable damage makes no sense, as it is currently not penning completely nullifies damage
durable damage has nothing to do with armour penetration or how effective a weapon is against armour

>And at the end of it all, it's still not dead. Why? Because health-pools aren't connected.
but they are all connected to the main HP, and on heavy enemies with lots of main HP it's often on the order of 70% or 100% damage transfer to main. that bile titan leg shot? that's 100% damage transferred to main. literally every single part of the bile titan has 100% transfer to main.

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>>493297450
>our way of life
>galaxy wide
>paved with the skulls of those who've died

>>493297905
>John, John Helldiver
>A tempest of war making empires quiver
>Once dropped from destroyer no hellpod in sight
>Landed with fury in the heart of the fight

>>493297642
I never said durability had anything to do with armor penetration and who the fuck is the second quote?

>>493281154
All I wanted was my railgun back to its former glory. Precision based weapons should always reward the player's skill with more damage than a lock on or splash damage, e.g. sniper rifle > rocket launcher. Fucking reddit ruins everything.

>>493298772
this is some ai muzac bullshit, isn't it

>>493297167
Bots are such a joke. They literally won't aim at you. Way easier than bugs.

>>493300103
yeah but idgaf
i'm John Helldiver

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>>493300175
That's mostly because I danced a bit desu, you can see me changing directions while I'm running away. You'd be able to do the same with bugs but they have FromSoft tier grab hitboxes

>>493295315
damn what are your settings, i want mine to look like that

>>493295315
>>493301148
Second. What settings and what GPU?

>>493300605
>not blurry nor jagged
what is this black magic, is this the secret dev build where the game is actually good?

yes yes the point is the armor gives a 50% penalty, and then durable gives an additional penalty to damage by whatever number it is

durability needs to go away and be replaced with a vital area where there's a multiplier for hitting a weak spot instead of a reduction for hitting a non-weak spot
and matching armor should be 100% damage, 50% damage for an armor class 1 above, and 0% for an armor class 2+ above

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>>493301148
>>493301584
Max texture quality, object detail, particle quality, ambient occlusion, terrain quality, lighting quality
No anti-aliasing, rest is either lowest or low, dx11, bloom on, native render scale, no sharpness
It's a poorfag RX580, only gets between 45-60fps (capped)

>>493302059
That's just movement and 1080p mp4 -> 720 webm + filter, looks pretty jagged otherwise

>bored out of my mind playing le meta
>switch support weapon to HMG to switch things up
>pretty good at shooting shrieker nests, red warriors and the super brood commanders
>but whoops, you aren't using the meta, so now you're getting fucked in the ass by all of the chargers and BTs, plus 2 business days reload
>go back to the meta again
Fun, can't wait in 2 weeks for them to fuck things up somehow

>>493303032
perfect, thanks anon

>>493303047
anon I don't really understand your problem
HMG can kill chargers handily, just gotta switch to the highest rpm, it'll pop their butts in a second
for BTs, you could bring EAT or commando
MG43 is more suited for bugs though, nice balance between power and dakka

>>493300605
I'm pretty sure they're programmed to miss on their first two shots/bursts and hit you on their third, it doesn't matter if you dance.

>>493303712
I like to play with the jetpack because it's fun. Here's my issue:
>pick jetpack for an easy get out of jail free card, plus it's FUN
>pick HMG because bored of the retarded meta, forced to pick stuns with it and pray the fuckers don't decide to ignore it
>pick commando because you have to take it for BTs or impalers
>now stuck with only one red stratagem to pick, which is pretty much going to be OPS in case BTs don't decide to ignore rockets
And that's going to be even worse tomorrow when you'll get the free napalm orbital removed. There should be 5 stratagems at all time.

>>493303047
That's why Arrowhead needs to nerf primaries, so you won't be able to take Spear.

>everyone using cookout
>not a soul using ANY of the flamethrowers now
day of the nerf comes for the cookout because "lol pick rate balancing"

>>493304432
Well you don't need to take the jump pack strat, you can just pick it up from a malfunctioning hellpod. They need to add HMG to the map loot.

>>493304432
I've been going
>OPS for chargers, BTs, impliers, nests/spore spewers, etc
>500kg in case there's more than one
>Railcannon in case there's more than 3 or the first ones don't work
>MMG for everything else
And I do my best to scavenge a spare backpack elsewhere, or bait the team into calling down resupplies so I can call down a second and eat two boxes for myself like the gluttonous resupply slut I am.

>>493304801
>>493304808
I've legit never seen a jetpack spawning on the map, and I'm already level 150. Same shit for the backpacks in general, I can recall seeing an autocannon backpack like twice, and this was when I was farming SC at diff 1

>>493304808
>napalm orbital has about a 50m killzone with the accuracy upgrade
>decent uptime too
why the fuck can't 380 be this accurate, gotta run 70m minimum just to make sure you don't get flattened

>>493304974
Not likely to see that shit above D4. Malfunctioning hellpod my ass. Highest I've seen it on is 7 a single time.

>>493305195
I'm pretty sure I saw one with a Supply Pack on D10 before.

>>493304432
I am not a big jump pack fan but I agree. Four slots are too constraining. I love my ac + orbital gatling + eagle napalm + gatling sentry loadout but it makes me a bit weak against chargers too. wish I could bring along 500kg or OPS without dropping any of my mass chaff clearer items.

game would be better if it was like metal gear and you start with the basic load out and pick up new equipment as you play and you can carry it over between missions of the same operation

>>493304808
decent, I've been running a similar loadout with AC in place of MMG and airstrike in place of 500kg
but anon said he doesn't want to play meta picks anymore, and with the arguable exception of railcannon everything you listed is top tier

>>493305616
But what about muh balance!?!?

>>493305462
We ought to be able to grind out a new Super Destroyer that has different stratagem slots.
Basic one has 4 omnislots.
New one has 2 omnislots, 3 colorslots. So you decide if you want to go extra greens, blues, or reds.

>>493305704
I mean, they're called "meta" picks because they're good at what they do. If you pick something that's not good then expect to struggle more. The Torcher isn't anywhere near as good as the Adjudicator, for instance.

>>493304974
Same experience here, I saw a backpack poi exactly once, a supply pack on a d3. They come fully stocked, which is neat, or at least it would be if they appeared on high diffs. You'd think higher difficulties would spawn more bonus shit instead of less.

>>493306067
Higher difficulties should spawn more backpacks and less weapons, since everyone brings a support weapon anyway. I don't need an arc thrower/AMR when my RR already works fine, but a supply pack would be a great find to restore my supplies. Or even just stash the supply boxes themselves in there so I can reload my RR.

>>493305616
>one reinforce pool for entire operation.
>complete evacuate personnel objective.
>it gives you extra reinforce.
>complete shrieker nests secondary.
>roving shriekers stop spawning for the rest of the operation.
>nuke hatchery.
>bug breaches have a longer time gap.
>load seaf.
>keep it for entire operation until it runs out of shells.
idk, I think it could've been made to feel like an actual operation.

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steam://joinlobby/553850/109775242813332953/76561198126520852
d10, we will see wich faction.

>>493306818
there's no reason they can't do a european extreme mode that works with this kind of stuff in mind to give the autists something to chew on

and completing it will yield great rewards
1k req, 3 super samples, 5 rares

>>493307143
4/4

>>493304432
You don't have to take the commando, bozo.

>>493307478
>and completing it will yield great rewards
Is it really so hard to make a bunch of cosmetics for beating superhard special missions or something? Would give the hardcore autists something to chew on without fucking over the entires game balance.

>>493307143
Full.

>>493307478
Gene samples for completing against Bugs, which unlocks new Super Boosters.
Component samples for completing against Bots, which unlocks new Weapon Attachments.

>>493307143
moron tell me when ur full

>>493302951
>durability needs to go away and be replaced with a vital area where there's a multiplier for hitting a weak spot
That's just going back to square one, but instead of people bitching about weapons having low durable damage they will bitch about them having a low weakspot multiplier. Unless you mean to suggest that this weakspot multiplier should never go below 1, in which case that means the HP numbers will have to be inflated. If the intent is a liberator with a 1x weakspot multiplier blows up a chargers ass in 30 shots and the autocannon can do it in 3, the ass on the charger will need to have 1800 HP, and then the autocannon with its 260 damage will need a weasksptot multiplier of at least 7x, but then what about the autocannon against something like a devastator chest that has lower durability in the current system?. Now an autocannon with its 7x weakspot multiplier means it's doing 1800 damage against devastators too.
>just make the weakspot multiplier depend on the part you're hitting then
That's what durable damage is!

>>493307721
>>493308328

>>493308498
That didn't help. I need concrete knowledge of when a lobby is full.

>>493308328
>>493307721
>>493307652

>>493308994
This was after I asked. I wanted to join the lobby and now I can't. Why is that?

>>493309127
Sorry, you were blocked so it says full when you try to join.

>>493309367
No, I'm not blocked by anyone. I don't really understand why I'm not able to join an open lobby with /vg/. It literally shows the lobby code.

>>493309480
Sorry, you're blocked.

>>493309635
I said I'm not blocked. I want to join the lobby.

>>493309480
Blocked

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>anon blocked
and the discord shenanigans begin lmao

>>493309770
>>493309826

I'm not blocked.

I'm sorry!

So, no one can explain how I can join a lobby? This is three lobbies now that I am unable to join. I want to play the game with /vg/. My user is Raj220.

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>>493310646
>Raj
good morning sirs

>>493310871
Good morning, what can you help with me joining the lobby?

>>493310958
you have to first redeem the key

>>493304801
>Well you don't need to take the jump pack strat, you can just pick it up from a malfunctioning hellpod.
This doesn't happen above d6.

>>493311224
I don't understand. Nobody helps.

>>493307143
Le crashed

>>493307143
Bros what happened

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>>493307143
Crashed, time to verify my files again -_-

>>493277432
>extremely fun game that lasts a long time, no reinforcements left and 20 seconds to extract
>clearly everyone got a good amount of kills
>summary screen expected to be rewarding and cathartic after fighting probably the most intense amount of clankers ever
>fucking crash out
ree

It's the second time a crash like this happens exactly when an Airstrike hits and I'm mounting/dismounting an HMG emplacement

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>>493307143
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775242817778450/76561198126520852
D10, retry, files verified.

>>493312570
i will snipe a spot

>>493312570
4/4

>>493312570
I am still unable to join. Someone explain to me please.

>>493278962
the only nerf I could see to the hulks is making the heat sink damage box match the size of the heatsink

>>493308490
No no, see, if you do 10 damage normally but 20 against a vital spot, that makes retards much happier than if you did 20 damage normally but only 10 damage against a durable spot.

Can I still get Hailey or is it too late?

>>493280018
the only one that needs a buff is the vanilla and penetrator "AR"

>>493293585
that's that thing about space marine, is it is basically gears of war with a 40k skin, not that it's a problem per se

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>>493316909
which gacha gen are you from buddy

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>>493316909
it's too late

>>493279447
>When was the last time you actually used a rifle over a shotgun?
I prefer DCS/Tenderizer for bots and recently have been enjoying the high damage of tenderizer on bugs.
>machinegun over an AT launcher
If there are already 2 AT users on my team I can pretty safely switch to MMG for bugs and clear the medium chaff.
>grenade launcher over an autocannon
Grenade launcher with supply pack is meta for bugs, I'm pretty sure.
On a solo perspective, yeah you do have a pretty good point in that most of these dont hold up. In a team perspective the horizon expands and a lot more stuff becomes viable when you can plan out who takes what.

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>>493317735
can only imagine what super earth wrestling is like with everyone juiced on stims

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>>493309886
You are so* blocked

>>493293895
as an outside observer to the whole SM2 scene the game just looks so dull.
Its slow, the weapons look unsatisfying to use, everything thats a threat looks like an HP pool (like in Destiny).
Compare and contrast them fighting the carnifex (however its spelled) and fighting a bile titan. Carfinex gets punched for several minutes and dies without really showing signs of combat. Bile titan has chunks blown off of it, bleeds, staggers, everything.

>>493280018
>>zero mention of mechs
they said that's next next update

>alright guys I'm not taking 500, we have enough AT, I'm barely using it
>the very next mission
>12 fucking behemoths and 4 bile titans at the same time

>>493319060
i'd unironically slit my wrists for a fucking seed detector upgrade or something
>unusual presence of heavy units
>bile spewers detected
>nursing spewers detected
>unusual presence of light units
etc.
it's so annoying to set up a chaff/fire loadout then drop into spewer central, or to have an AT loadout and drop into a hunter seed where you see maybe 4 BTs across the entire D10 map.

>>493318893
Two more weeks after two more weeks?

>>493318726
watching some footage of a carnifex fight as we speak actually. blood just squirts out of the 3d model with 0 sources, barely any damage showing like you mentioned.
idk, even nu-doom and doom eternal had the enemies show damage so you knew where you were at with them as you switch between enemies coming at you

>>493319060
4 ops on 4 bile titans, ass kill all chargers, next scenario.

>>493319060
teehee, wouldn't it be nice to get seed averages so you know what build around and not look like jackasses. Then they can retool the lame bad intel modifier to not tell you the seed

>>493319360
>>493319232
It'd be great too to try new builds. So I don't need to grab like a perfect hybrid loadout, or just go pure soup meta and throw heavy pen anti armor explosives.

>>493319258
yep

>>493319313
That's 8 ops on 4 bts

>>493319232
I don't know why they do it that way, cuz if you knew what enemies you were up against you could change your loadout instead of taking the same generalist one every time.
You could tie it to the Radar Station where if you complete that then you'll know the seeds of the next maps in the operation.

>>493319313
Wanna make a compilation of how many times you threw an OPS and how many times the shot actually hit the head to ohko a titan?

>>493319828
>>493320024
wdym, it always kills the bt in one.

SM2 just sorta looks like 3rd person doom but I have to share resources (executions) with two other people. If MS weren't cowards they'd re-release Gears of War 3 on PC with coop and crossplay.

>>493320129
Not even the railgun guarantees an ohko.

Do you still get SC in missions? I'm playing for the first time in a few months and I haven't made a single SC in two operations

kinda funny that people have been hyping SM2 up as the HD2 killer and it's just kinda mid

>>493319313
I'm running a primarilly chaff clear loadout with EATS, and our AT main wanted to fuck around with airburst.

>>493320275
you mean railcannon? just burst the belly after railcannon and it always dies.
ops always kills if it hits.

>>493320368
lol yes dude

>>493320368
It's pure RNG, just take the time to explore the POIs.

>>493320368
The higher diff you go the fewer spawn. Oh also the new biomes remove POIs to make room for the trees

>>493320707
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T BEEN FINDING SC

They should change Shrieker Nests to send their flocks out immediately if they get shot at from a distance.

>>493320370
Some more attention to combat feel would go a long way. I haven't seen a ton of gameplay but enough to say that melee attacks visually hit like wet noodles for some reason, and that's coming from a gary stu ultramarine captain at that. This wasn't a problem in SM1 so how could they fuck it up when they already got it right at one point?
The movement is also pretty shit and the magnetized melee with hitstop only emphasizes that instead of making it feel better and the previously mentioned wet noodle attacks compound this even further
i was really hyped for SM2 but not anymore. It's not like it does everything wrong but enough to chalk it up as overhyped, underdelievered dogshit which the roadmap proves

Stalkers should paralyze you, inflict a chest wound, and drag you back to their lair without killing you, where they have various traps and ambushes set up.
Your squad can either abandon you to slowly bleed out or try to rescue you, using a stim on you clears the paralysis.

>>493320807
they do

>>493322994
shouldve went right towards big dick rock to make distance and get cover over the hill from the striders instead of running at them

>>493322994
Looks like you need shield pack or shield relay.

>>493322054
Yeah and they should implant you with an egg haha

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>>493322994
>not behind cover
>only one stun grenade is thrown when multiple opportunities are given
>multiple chances to use stratagems too

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d10s, we go bots because i just did bugs

>>493323397
I was thinking they just do it to lure the rest of the squad into a trap, but I guess they could rape you the entire time too.

>>493323559
2/4

>>493322994
zigged when you should've zagged, many such cases!

Do you guys actually like Commando/EAT-17?

>>493323559
3/4

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>>493324234
EATs are the best!

>>493322994
>he fell for the HMG emplacement meme

>>493324234
I actually like the eat a lot.
It's really nice having a low commit support weapon I can throw around without thinking.
Having rockets to blow up stuff from afar, on demand feels really satisfying.

That and stun grenading and throwing an eat under a charge is my favorite pass time. It's like getting a free precision strike that has no modifiers on call down time.

>>493323559
3/4, our poor 4th had incurable aids :(
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>>493322994
>7 dropships
what the hell did you guys threaten them with?

>>493322994
should've played a better game

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>>493323559
full

>>493325158
Think the Detector Towers spawn that many

>>493324234
I use it as a "My teammates suck at planning their loadouts so I'm doing it for them" pick. Drop it in a contested area ahead of time, and watch as your teammates suddenly realize that there's an AT weapon they can use against that Charger that they never thought would show up. It just makes life easier all around.

>>493299939
The railgun is as strong as it's ever been. 2 shots to pop armor, 3 on behemoths.

>>493299939
the ps5 bile titan bug is never coming back

>stun charger
>it keeps choooorging
bros

>>493327729
Stuns working on charger is a bug.

>>493282429
It's lame to have different stats for the same enemies. It means you're not really becoming an expert at killing them, because they might suddenly require a higher AP weapon like with Bile Spewers on higher difficulty.

>get blackscreen crash on automaton d8
>try and get back to match as quick as possible
>game set diff to d3 somehow
How in the cinnamon toast fuck

>>493328051
It's armor pen 7.

>>493328318
D8, D3, what's the difference?

connectivity is all fucked tonight on the bot front, ty sweden

>>493327276
I wouldn't consider that strong. You have to stand still for three seconds to charge a shot, that's a huge risk for something that overkills non-durable targets and still does only a bit more than 30 additional damage against durable targets. Philosophically, Safe Mode should be a "I want to kill or maim medium sized targets in one shot," while Unsafe Mode should be "I want to fuck up the big target, or at least attack it in a way that it actually feels it." But currently there's absolutely no reason to use Unsafe Mode except against a handful of enemies where it would take one shot instead of two, which is an extremely unfair trade for not only standing still while charging the shot but also risking destroying the weapon while also killing yourself if you don't have the Fortified perk.

Just give us more chargers instead of behemoths. I miss one tapping them with rockets to the face.

>>493328865
Reduce the difficulty to D7 :^)

>>493328851
I can think of a few reasons to use unsafe. You get a much higher damage boost on your durable damage, which is a big deal for a lot of enemies.

>>493328770
>automaton
no difference

>>493329027
I play solo 7 for this exact reason, but I have to take weaker strategems and weapons to compensate. Can't play on it with friends though, because 10 is way too easy for us.

>>493329072
From 60 durable damage to 90 for a single projectile that takes a couple seconds to charge (again, risking yourself by slowing to walking speed and killing yourself while also destroying the weapon if you fuck up the charge), and where you only have twenty of that projectile, is not what I would call "much higher" when even the HMG deals 50 durable damage per bullet on a rapid-fire weapon.

The current problem is that for the vast majority of enemies, any body part with 5 armor or higher has durability out the ass, so using the Railgun against them is completely pointless. Anything with 4 armor or less, you may as well use any of the other more efficient stratagems like Autocannon, Laser Cannon, AMR, etc.

I want the Railgun to be fun to use and Unsafe Mode worth using, but sadly neither of those are the case right now.

Automaton D10 is about as difficult as Terminids D4.

Non-bait comment bots would be almost as easy as bugs if it weren't for jammers and detectors. Bugs need more structures like that

493330230
Bait comment, don't @ me you don't deserve your (You)

Game is gonna be so easy after the next update everyone will stop playing from boredom.

>>493330230
If they got blown up with AT, and took spots away from stalker nests?
Yeah I'd be down for that.

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>>493330717
>everyone comes back
>plays around with the better weaposn for a little bit
>everyone leaves after a few days because it's the exact some content and only diehards stick with co-op shooters for 300+ hours

>>493330717
I am honest to god afraid of this, but I will say the greatest longevity this game has is loadout variety. Being able to take different builds and test them out is the one thing keeping me coming back to this game.

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tens

>>493325540
perfect fucking timing

>>493330991
It's been a pretty good beer and pretzels kinda game with my friends.
Real mindless kinda fun where you just go in, laugh and scream about shit.

Honestly they should lean into that more.

>>493331319
2/4

They're releasing the Illuminate soon and the throwing knife is going to be good against them.

Bugs rocket defense is the most boring shit. You just spawn camp with tesla towers, HMG emplacements, OPS and 500kg and the game pretty much plays itself.

>>493332824
you could not do that and have fun

>>493331319
ded gaem ded thred starting 2/4

>>493332186
THE SLOW BLADE PENETRATES THE SHIELD

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>>493332981
ah yes, "fun" fighting 200 total enemy spawns

I'm going to have to up my normal difficulty cause the fucking mouthbreathers are starting to infest difficulty 7

>>493334331
Let them call their own breaches

>>493334331
They need to have Shrieker swarms fly in from behind you, and Stalkers infiltrating through the air ducts.