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>>521239995
stellar outfit waddle dee

>>521240314
It's very haute couture.

>>521239995
Is Bandana Waddle Dee going to be called Beret Waddle Dee in this game?

>>521240450
Anon, that's racist, not all hat wearing Waddle Dees are the same person...

>>521240450
That is very clearly not Bandana Dee.

>>521240450
>>521240682
>>521240726
I don't wanna sound too much like a shitposter, but maybe at the point where you have to start looking at things like the subtle differences in skintone and blush just to tell hat-wearing Dees apart, the people who say that Bandana is a little generic might have a point.

>>521242929
>subtle differences in skintone and blush
It's not that complex.
He's not wearing a bandana, so he's not Bandana Dee.

Pricing for Forgotten Land in Japan:
Switch 1 version is 6,500 Yen.
Switch 2 Upgrade Pack is 2,000 Yen.
Switch 2 Edition is 8,578 Yen.
I dunno if this is news or not, but this is the first time I've noticed pricing for just an upgrade pack.
Filesizes for all three are listed at 5.7GB.

>>521240314
Kingdom Hearts Dee

>>521243296
>It’s not that complex
BLANDana isn’t either. Heyo!

>>521242929
one wearing a bandana one isnt Hal stopped caring about Waddle Dee skin tones when they stopped making Bandee red, it really is just the hat that matters.

>>521242929
once upon a time, they came in different colors. now, they must all be yellow to red. I wish kumazaki kept the name "Bandee" for bandana, would have set a standard to be ok to name them.

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>>521240314
SCOTLAND...FOOOORRRREEVVVVEEEERRR

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doing the ui for adding objects for DX, have this so far, will probably need to make custom icons but having fun

>>521248873
Well Kumazaki is a hack, so you shouldn’t expect good decisions from him. Now you know for next time.

Nudist Adeleine running for President!

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>>521249513
got this down

>>521249513
You’re the guy who made the funny clip of Morpho Knight spouting Three Houses lore right? is the UI similar in RTDLDX?

>>521256115
Yeah, and to answer your question, I think it might be easier in that game since the dialogue is done more often than Star Allies, though not sure, would have to wait until tools are made to properly edit to check, which are in development for Rtdl DX from what im aware of

>>521255624
>least degenerate adofag

>>521258213
to be fair 2 nude ado art jokes were made last thread

>Adofags, now emboldened by deceiving the general into thinking any valid complaint against them is one schizo, have finally shed their masks and just went full cunny mode
It’s over.

>>521258531
It's obviously a shitposter. Now zip it, or they'll actually try to convince people that anyone complaining about them is a single samefagging schizo.

>>521258402
that and saying
>least degenerate adofag implies that there are non-degenerate ones.

>>521259597
So smug…

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This place was a lot better when everyone was nice to each other.

>>521258402
the only way to remedy this is to make Susie femdom thrist posts to counter it.

>>521260070
that also causes derailing meltdowns

>>521259914
You mean when they were nice to you.

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Ok guys we have to come together to figure out which character-based thirsting doesn't cause meltdowns.
I suggest Zan.

>>521260417
Legitimately and factually speaking? probably Claycia because everyone forgot she exists anyway.

>>521260214
this thread throws melties even when it’s nothing but good news (Air Ride 2)

>>521260417
>The only Kirby girls who don't cause meltdowns are the ones canonically used as literal objects.
Incelby fandom

>>521260984
And forgotten ones like >>521260570
and chuchu

>>521260984
The word "incel" lost all meaning when retards started using it as a desperate catch-all term if you didn't like a bad movie that happened to be politically sound for legitimate reasons.

>>521261683
Words dont really lose meanings in being used in bad contexts, it just means you have to ignore the retards using it as a buzzword instead of the read term. The term incel used in that anon's example is apt, as opposed to like, idk,
>You don't like the kirby anime, you've an incel >:(
tier stuff

>>521261902
Incel is never an “apt” term.

>>521261902
Fair enough, it's just a lot harder to take seriously now.

>>521260417
She looks so sad :(

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>>521262437
Oh yeah 100% but you can't let the internet ruin terms like that for you, people being idiots and overusing things where they shouldn't be will always happen.
>>521262425
I personally disagree but I mean I can see the argument really so fair

Which Kirby character would be by actual definition an incel?

>>521262983
Going by actual definition, none of them. To be funny, Dark Meta Knight.

>>521260970
Air Ride 2 isn't good news because Sakurai helms it.

>>521263157
He literally cucked Taranza though

>>521263157
DMK literally destroyed a woman's entire life for shits and giggles.

>>521258776
I suspect the person you replied to is also the shitposter. Notice the first word choice.

>>521260417
Thirsting for Kirby characters shouldn't be something we're doing in the first place.

>>521262850
>pic
Marx, the Mirror Ability, and Shadow Kirby are so interesting to me.

>>521263796
you are weak

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>>521259914
That's because this place survived for years on posters who were into the fandom aspects of Kirby, so their love for the franchise was earnest. Now it's flooded with people who hate Kirby's games, directors, and fanbase.

>>521264596
Typical Sakurai interference.

>>521264596
No, we hated Ado back then too. Newfags continue to expose themselves.

>>521266349
Less that we hated *her* and more her overly-zealous vocal fans.

>>521256115
Post it

>>521260417
Zan is probably the most rapeable character in Kirby

>>521267156
I would call you out on this but she does just get beaten and then jump into an alternate dimension to save her abuser, so you're not far off the mark.
I can fix her though.

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>>521260417
zan wife

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Would Zero and Dark Mind get along? Respect each other's dimensional borders and never cross over? Or would they just see each other as another opponent?

>>521270638
Literally the intro to Amazing Mirror was Meta Knight flying into the mirror because he found out Dark Mind was breaking into the main world

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>>521267156
definitely ado and ribbon, unironically.
also why the fuck are we talking about cunny and who's most rapeable? KDG's true final form?
Do we now start posting in-game sex?
We have official representations of kirby taking big nago dick

>>521271885
would you knock it off already

>>521264596
I love the franchise in earnest. I love kumazaki's games yet recognize their lack of soul in some aspects (stiff animations, consecutive re-use of the same engine ala Call of Duty, etc) and I love Sakurai and Shimmy's games, with Sakurai's having being the most diverse in gameplay and best too, and Shimmy's having so much soul it makes a grown man cry (seriously have you anons rewatched DL3 and 64's cutscenes? They're so beautiful)
Like other anons have noted, i think a good chunk of the hate is shitposting, but there is a segment of users who are assblasted about sakurai being director of Air Ride, and seemingly solely around rosterfagging reasons (besides initial assumptions that it delayed a mainline)

desu, those rosterfagging air riders (the haters who started the arguments) seem to rationalize that the game HAS to be a mario-kart "everyone's in" game to prove it's respecting the franchise, while oldfag kirby fans or those who genuinly love the original air ride and dont want the gameplay butchered, are happy that sakurai's involves are seen as "fake" kirby fans for not frothing at the likelyhood a character like magolor isnt in the game.

i bet you money that the issue is there's "fans" who want to start shit solely because they cant accept the idea of a Kirby game that wont fanservice every other title in the series even tho Dream Buffet delivers just fine. these people would have probably shat on Epic Yarn for the same shit, and not even for it's gameplay. They're definitely not fans of "air ride", and more haters of "how darenthis game not involve rosterfaggotry"

everyone falling other kumafags appear to be reactionaries that are trolling the autists who out themselves are too obsessed with side-characters. Kuma games are fine, great even, but even kumafags got to admit it's faults and that the games dont NEED pointless references/fanservice like masks, specially if it could fuck with gameplay like Kirby Air Ride's

>>521273886
*the message was horribly written, but the point is the aggro around sakurai directing a spinoff is seriously stupid. Let Air Riders be it's own fucking game.
Dont feed trolls calling one another sakufags or kumafags, they're just stirring the pot, but dont be a blind to the idea some people dont mind one single title not having adeleine as an "air rider" because it's all about Kirby. MK and DDD were tacked-on for a reason, they're not the focus and never should be, but nobody's gonna be mad if we get new riders either, because not everyone's a rosterfag.

>>521267156
Wrong, that's Meta Knight. There are so many reasons why, but I truly do think he's the most rapeable.

>>521275348
samefag but King Dedede is a close second.

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on a better note,
What copy abilities do you anons hope to see in Air Riders? What brand new ones do you expect or hope to see?
I think laser might have a chance at comeback.

I was also playing smash bros. Earlier and took a look at what DNA might be brought over from Smash to Air Riders, similar to how some of Air Ride's is present in Smash. (Checkerboard, for example)

think we could get a prix gamemode similar to classic mode? maybe with silly or wonky modifyers for particular races?
I'd love to see more focus on the combat (HP) aspect of the game, and it's be neat if fights while gliding down long stretches becomes a thing. Maybe with online there might be a whole thing. Granted, maybe races might run on stock lives for when players get killed - what do you think about that? I think that could make HP races crazy good

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I would sooner call out Star-Crossed World for giving bad vibes than Air Riders, especially since having footage indicates that it must be coming out first.

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>>521275571
and to add to that, what kind of expectations from Air Riders do you hope to see influence the next mainline games?
>do not mention bullshit about cutting down the number of existing characters or redoing lore, dont be an asshat

My personal two are

1. Better cutscene art direction
Star Allies and Forgotten Land have honestly really ugly cutscenes with shitty shading and colors. In-game intro of Kirby waking up on a beach is whip-lash levels of better looking than the fucking cinematic.

2. Unifying Dedede design
What if we got King Dedede's smash bros. Design finally locked-in? I think it'd be nice. I'm hoping he's as expressive as Donkey Kong in Bananza, and it'd be awesome to have that translate back to mainlines.

OH
maybe cutscenes! Maybe Air Riders will have short cutscenes like older Kirby games, and it's enough to bring that back to mainlines going forward!

I hope (and expect) that checker knights being back gives us a new but very similar song, and one that can finally go back in smash too

>>521276428
>Star Allies and Forgotten Land have honestly really ugly cutscenes with shitty shading and colors. In-game intro of Kirby waking up on a beach is whip-lash levels of better looking than the fucking cinematic.
huh
ok anon. anon. if you're not baiting, please actually explain that point of the colors in the FL and KSA cutscenes being ass, I am genuinely curious what you mean by that.

>>521275882
I agree, sort of. The level design in the treehouse previews was REALLY good and sold me on the potential of 3D kirby better than the game-proper, but at the same time, I dont think we should see it as anything that big. I do think it might sort of preview the next mainline, however.
My only continous concern is the warstar's too fat.

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>>521273886
I’m in the camp that doesn’t trust Sakurai, but i don’t want any post-Sakurai characters to be in it, (except maybe Morpho since he’s still a blank slate)
Honestly i hope Dedede skips it as since he’s changed so much since Sakurai left.

Anyone wanting anything newer that the director doesn’t understand never had to live through being a Venom fan when he was forced onto Sam Raimi for Spiderman 3

Best case scenario legitimately is that Sakurai makes new Kirby ocs

>>521270638
>Would the two evil overlords hellbent on conquering other worlds get along?
Can we bump up the IQ level of our questions here?

>>521273886
>>521274690
Nobody's rosterfagging. People are just posting the same things they've always liked and getting caught in the crossfire because it doesn't relate to the thing that other people like.

>>521270638
>Dark Mind and Zero possess eachother
>a final boss with TWO eyes becomes the new threat

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>>521277779
Thank you for elaborating, I can totally see where you're coming from desu!

>>521276827
that's a unique perspective. Any reason you dont trust sakurai with Air Riders? when he's not being whipped into DLCfagging Smash Bros. He makes really good shit (Kid Icarus Uprising is genuinely extremely kino)
Hoping that Air Riders being a passion project for a financially failed game, he might make it extremely good and exceed expectations like he had with other games.

Most people I know say smash bros. Dedede's best Dedede, and has a personality unlike the past decade of Kirby games. Dedede was always kirby-friendly even in Smash Bros. Brawl, so no idea how it's different from current iteration other than expressing more.

Air Riders has a greater than 0% chance of having amiibo support. If kirby got neutral (no ability) hats or cosmetics for each that'd be fucking sweet. Imagine a little Kirby dressed like biker Wario on a Wheelie Bike. or anime hair Kirbies, the assortment of, that can be chosen to distinguish players a little. it'd probably spawn ocfaggotry to some extent but that'd be cute.

granted I expect it to be a VERY self-contained game. I'd love to see kirby get cosmetics. Imagine if Dedede got cool attire like Bowser does in latest Mario Karts. If there's ever kumazaki representation that feels 100% realistic, it might be giving Metaknight skins that look like other knights. It's be extremely based to get some anime representation for at least some of the other star warrior knights shown.

What about stickers you paste onto your air ride? like, freely, like you're stickerbombing a skateboard

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>>521278423
Oh i mean i don’t trust him to get characterization right specifically, i believe he can make a very very good game but don’t trust him with characters he didn’t create or those who changed since he left, which is why i said i think best case scenario is he uses new OCs or characters who are still a blank slate like Drawcia or Morpho.

I know the OG Air Ride didn’t have a story but i wouldn’t be surprised given the Smash style trailer if this one did.
Smash Dedede is a mixed bag, design-wise he absolutely looks the best, but Sakurai still has the idea Dedede is a Wario-esque rival than say the Donkey Kong he actually is, often being paired with the villains in Smash events and such.

>>521280164
To be frank, since RTDL Dedede didnt get any characterization either, it was just reset from Super Star, then continuously possessed, with nothing seemingly changing him from what we can assume Sakurai's interpretation is. I'd argue kumazaki has done an active effort to make both Dedede AND Meta Knight more like Sakurai's vision, plus visual tweaks, and neither seem to stray, by simply not giving them anything.

Granted, I'd like to understand when feeds your current interpretation of Dedede so I better understand differing perspectives.

>>521280164
I think the "story" is gonna be like world of light where there's like 2 and a half cutscenes and the actual plot is, "Kirby wants to race because he thought it would be cool." and then the focus is on gameplay. I don't really think Air Ride with the type of game it is needs a story, like Dream Buffet is in the same kinda boat in terms of not needing to justify itself with a narrative. Just give an excuse for Kirby to be air riding and then roll with that.

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>>521279424
With how Smash Bros. approached Amiibo I wouldn't be surprised if Amiibo has some form of support in Air Riders but is very rudimentary and surface level in its usage. I wouldn't be surprised if your idea comes true with little hats or special colors if we consider how Amiibos were utilized in the 3DS era . However, and correct me if I'm wrong, are Amiibos still even popular? I can't remember the last time I've seen them.
>What about stickers you paste onto your air ride? like, freely, like you're stickerbombing a skateboard
I could absolutely see this if they lean into idea of allowing you to create custom Air Ride machines. I don't know how that would work though. Maybe you can add parts onto certain machines, like larger thrusters on a Compact Star. I wouldn't even mind if it's a repeat of the sticker mechanics of Brawl where you can add stickers that influences how your Air Ride machine operates.

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>>521273886
>I love the franchise in earnest. I love kumazaki's games yet recognize their lack of soul in some aspects (stiff animations, consecutive re-use of the same engine ala Call of Duty, etc)
While I can see where you're coming from, I'm not strictly sure I agree with it I'll admit. I still strongly hold that Kumazaki's the best director to me as he's basically taking the best of the best and putting it all together. I disagree a lot on the "lack of soul" point specially, it just... feels wrong to me. I guess some of the cutscenes themselves aren't quite as detailed, but it feels like that's made up for by the gameplay segments having much more little details (i.e. off the top of my head, the different enemies having lunch together in the hidden room for Alivel Mall, or the Waddle Dees playing Adventure in Robobot's cyber stages). And I don't see why reusing an engine is strictly a bad thing, if anything it seems smart, we've seen how many different things they've been able to make using one same base, going from RtDL's base, to Triple Deluxe leaning on Stereo 3D, to Robobot having more 3D levels, to Star Allies having some gorgeous effects for the series' jump into full HD. It just seems odd to me to criticize using a same engine when it's not like they've just slapped different assets and that's it, they've actually iterated on it a good amount. I don't think it's fair to say they "lack soul" at all, at least. Those games just choose different places for it to shine. I definitely see Sakurai as setting the trends, but... I much prefer how Kumazaki's games feel like the "maximized" version of Sakurai's more "raw" concepts, like taking a storyboard and then seeing the full animation. Matter of preference, I guess.

>>521281590
>>521280164
This makes me wonder. What exactly is the differences in characterization for the main three between Sakurai and Kumazaki? What do you think was lost and gain between that transition?

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>>521281590
i felt the series sorta weened off him being a rival to a friend, he was still a jerk at the beginning of 64 but from that game and onward he grew a heart of gold, every fight was a misunderstanding or he was possessed, and whenever he has the chance, he has always helped Kirby after 64, Revenge of the King in the Superstar remake basically solidified his feud with Kirby being over, Kirby letting characters grow set it apart from that gross stagnant feeling that New Super Mario Bros and Sonic the Hedgehog had for forever during that era.
>>521282393
That’s also true and a possibility, but i expect a “villain” of some sort like Galeem or Tabuu.

>>521282393
think we could see a contextual explanation to Air Ride's intro? It's design (focus, outside of gameplay snippets) scream a story trying to be told.

makes me have a theory.
GCN was a part of this trio of a failed reboot, noted by a cohesive art style.
For example, both nightmare in dreamland and air ride share the same ui elements - the menus look the same, unironically, and the animations of GCN were more sakurai-esque (including being way more lively). The GCN game's stolen warpstar idea maybe make a comeback??

Something i cant help but notice is the official artwork for Kirby Air Riders has Kirby shift more his colors to newer mainline hues. Granted, at the same time, green Kirby comes back with orange accents, yet, no red Kirby.
I think there's a genuine chance the game will tie-in many more aspects of how the series has evolved than initially expected.

It's probably safe to assume if we get multiple City Trial maps (even if just recolors), we could easily get a Forgotten Land inspired one. I'm curious to see ehat happens to the photorealistic orange fish stuck in ice from frozen hillslide. Some of those tracks were genuinely surreal.

>>521282683
customizable air rides would be really fucking based. I did notice official artwork, the warpstar not only has little dots like freckles, but the added blue parts have no particular explanation. Maybe they've been reconceived as attachment points?

>>521283365
>Maybe they've been reconceived as attachment points?
Now that would be interesting. As you play the game you can add more parts and addition to your Air Ride and it probably wouldn't be restricted to just the Warp Star. Imagine someone with a Hydra and it has extra boosters, thrusters and more.

>>521283129
Between the 3?
I would say that Sakurai’s version of Kirby himself was much different, more expressive, but also less cute because he could make judgmental or grumpy faces at that time, probably for marketable reasons.

Sakurai era Dedede is Wario, Kumazaki era Dedede is Donkey Kong

Meta Knight is weird because he went from sinister villain to mysterious selfless hero under Sakurai’s own watch with Amazing Mirror and the Anime

>>521283783
>I would say that Sakurai’s version of Kirby himself was much different, more expressive, but also less cute because he could make judgmental or grumpy faces at that time, probably for marketable reasons.
I hate using the word souless, but it really does feel like Kirby has become less expressive, animated, and punchy in favor of being more cute and marketable. I swear, it seems like Kirby has exactly three facial expressions outside of rare cool moments in cutscenes.

>>521283112
i actually agree with every point you made. By soul it comes down to making characters less expressive, but contextual examples like yours that ignore gameplay for world-building and stage-setting are a huge, great addition. Considering how Sakurai's smash bros. Interpetations get adopted into the official media, if we get more animated, more expressive characters, we might see it set a standard that HAL will then meet. Kirby's just really stiff in newer games. Going back to older ones makes it really apparent.

Star Allies is a kind of iffy jump to HD as many of it's effects were thrown out and scaled back to more stylized over the heavily photorealistic textures of Allies. 30 FPS thing too. I do note that Air Riders might open up some cool mixed-media and effects to influence the future Kirby mainline artstyles!

In the end, we REALLY need to see actual gameplay to see how this all pans out, because there's so much mystery!

>>521283129
Meta Knight and Dedede got subtler personality shifts beneath the usual "relegated to Kirby cheerleader" status, but Kirby basically had all of his personality and soul gutted out in place of a mindless waving creature of joy that occasionally gets angry eyebrows when he attacks someone.

>>521283135
I'm not sure how sakurai's interpretation veers off of this when the last time he had Dedede involved in a story was Smash Bros. Brawl, and it perfectly matches current dedede except it's showing him be more actively bossy, which is still implied in later Kirby games, but simply never shown in favor of never letting Dedede have a genuine spotlight outside of being playable or possessed, and when playable (RTDL, Allies) he's literally a nothing-character

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>>521283783
>Sakurai era Dedede is Wario, Kumazaki era Dedede is Donkey Kong
On the topic of King Dedede, I do like how they kept him as an asshole in Battle Royale. Having him actively scheme and want Kirby to fail. They could've very easily had him go "Hello Kirby! Welcome to my fun Battle Royale, I hope you're ready for some fun!", and be nice to Kirby the entire time. I think it would be more interesting and fun if King Dedede got up to more schemes and the like in future titles as a driving force for the plot and reason for him in an antagonistic role outside of being possessed. Maybe have him get involved with bigger bads on accident due to his schemes and prank. He's not going to send Dream Land into a famine again but he'll definitely take a chance to take the piss out of Kirby and prove himself as superior. Wish we got more of that instead of what we had now.

>>521284487
I mean, every time after he’s no longer possessed he always helps out in some way as well, either with thwarting Sectonia or saving the Waddle Dees from Forgo’s goons

>>521284632
Given that Marx is back and fully alive, i feel like being an asshole constantly trying to one-up Kirby as a role would fit him the most, he’s the one Kirby character i don’t see being fully redeemable ever.

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>>521284632
>this anon is updated on DeDeDe
yeah, no idea where Dedede is wario interpretation comes from. Both modern games (this includes Battle Royale) and Smash Bros. / Sakurai's assumed personification of Dedede seemingly match.

granted, i wouldnt mind seeing Forgotten Land and RTDLDX's dedede influence/replace the dedede we're expecting for Air Riders (smash ultimate's)
He's really cute in his latest iteration, simply needs a more flexibility to look angry and make funny grins and toothy faces

>>521284827
see
>>521285080
Dedede was literally a hero in Smash Bros. And didnt even get depicted as enemy/rival to Kirby on the King K Rool trailer. Hell, even Adventure has Dedede be a hero, reiterated in GBA. only time Dedede was an active antagonist of the "big bad" kind was Dream Land, and the absolute prick he was in the Anime.

He's otherwise never really been a villain, even in Sakurai's depictions.

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>>521285080
>He's really cute in his latest iteration, simply needs a more flexibility to look angry and make funny grins and toothy faces
Agreed. I don't even want him to be a villain again that's for Meta Knight but it would be a little more interesting if he had a bit more spice to his personality and interactions with Kirby and others like in Battle Royale. I wish they would make another game that has that kind of dialogue. Make him lean more to the goofier side.
>>521285026
Fair point. However, I think it would be better if Marx did so in a bid for his own selfish reasons that are outright malicious and evil rather than proving himself as better than Kirby.

>>521285418
For the series to grapple the possibility of a better reoccuring bad-guy, would we need more lore and diversity of geopolitics of planet Popstar? A kingdom rivaling Dream Land having a prick for a ruler might work. Imagine if Air Riders draws a map of Popstar's continents or local region for the Kingdom of Dream Land and it lets Kuma add to Popstar Lore better, as oppose to solely being implied but never shown.

As current interpretations go, most people assume Dedede's the ruler of all of Popstar, but that's clearly not true when geopolitics are unironically brought in (anime, or most recently, Sky Kingdom ruled formely by Queem Sectonia, with a largely unique set of inhabitants)

>>521285838
>>521285026
NO FUCK YOU.
MARX IS DEAD
DREAM FRIEND IS NOT CANON
THAT MOTHERFUCKER DIED, AND WHEN RESSURECTED FROM A CLEARLY-SEEN FLOATING CORPSE, HE WAS VANQUISHED AGAIN.

HE DEAD.
I dont hate kumazaki, but for this ONE specific greivance, FUCK YOU KUMAZAKI

everytime marx is shown alive, we have milky way wishes' beautiful ending and eye-tearing credits song robbed from us.

everytime marx is shown alive I get SO MAD i destroy a copy of Kirby Superstar!
it's only happened like twice, BUT STILL >:(

where does the line between "lovable, worthwhile character" and "brought back or solely sticking around for merchandising opportunities" really lie?
as an oldfag, it's weird to see the growing concept of a larger permanent cast. It's what fuels the rosterfaggotry, right? I'd be suspicious of the incremental amounts of merchandise influencing the artistic integrity of the games.
put simply, marx should have stayed dead, and bringing him back smells of petty merchandise greed.

>>521286993
probably when he actually sticks around and doesnt just show up for an anniversary game and never again. i personally dont really count like, the twitter art as them bringing Marx back versus him actually appearing in like, a random sub game or as a Dream Friend, as bringing him back unless he appears in the next Kirby game and tells Kirby to go fuck himself or something. You can dislike the nostalgia bait, but they didn't fully bring him back, Dream Friends already have questionable canonicity.

>>521286993
I feel like you could make the same argument about coming up with new toyetic sidekick characters with each new game, that it's only to expand merchandising options. It's all down to how pessimistic you're feeling i guess.

>>521287361
>the same argument about coming up with new toyetic sidekick characters with each new game
Like the new Luma looking character? I don't get why they needed to add another Elfilin

>>521287286
>>521287361
>>521286993
and how about kirby's personality having been carved out somewhat being a consequence of negative merchandise influence?
for the anons in-the-know, how's Kirby's personality in the game-following novels? Maybe it sheds light to a canon personality?

>>521287835
He does get pretty mad at Magolor in the RtDL manga if I remember right, I think it's the only time he's been properly upset at someone, probably due to the betrayal aspect

>>521287952
does he call magolor a nigger?

>>521287952
>manga
meant novel, fuck

>>521288098
kirby LARPing as having titties is.. CANON???

>>521286090
The only part of kumazaki era I hate is extreme bandana dee shilling and ramping up the jobber knight aspect of Meta knight tenfold. You know it's bad when he's becoming an icon of "femdom" around here.

>>521287835
>how's Kirby's personality in the game-following novels
I'd like to say Kirby acts 1:1 to a very young up-beat Shonen hero. Kinda stupid too. It's very nice. I wish they'd make an anime adaption already.

>>521288262
Bandana Dee needs a proper name. Please just call him Bandee and iterate him story-wise enough to be a nice proper part of the 4 heroes. Bandee can represent the everyday-man in Kirby's little homeland.
Meta Knight's clones are eating away at what makes him special. I hope they do something badass to make him stand out and not randomly swap out his wind-bending powers for fucking cloning and geokenisis (facepalm.jpeg)

>>521288262
>ramping up the jobber knight aspect of Meta knight tenfold
That's one of the true few things I hate about Kumazaki with all of my being. Having him be delegated to just being in the arena in FL was disappointing. I don't get why of all characters Meta Knight had to become one of Kirby's besties and have everything that made him badass slowly stripped away from him or sanded down.
>>521288536
>I hope they do something badass to make him stand out and not randomly swap out his wind-bending powers for fucking cloning and geokenisis
I will admit I do think it's cool that he can clone himself although that could've just been because of the Jamba Heart and lift boulders. Funnily enough, I believe the inverse of that is how King Dedede's electrokinesis is never called back too until FL I think.

>>521288536
>Meta Knight's clones are eating away at what makes him special. I hope they do something badass to make him stand out and not randomly swap out his wind-bending powers for fucking cloning and geokenisis (facepalm.jpeg)
His ability isn't called "Master" because it's highly limited, anon.

>Air Riders comes out
>Bandana Waddle Dee gets in
>but he rides a unique and lightly customizable kart, that plays like a traditional racing kart.
>but he shares it with rosterfaggotry of up to 8 characters reflecting every player color choice

who are the other characters for which colors?
what are the "generic kart" stats?
would this be acceptable to you?

forgot to mention
>Dedede instead gets a sick ride more reminescent of his fancy car from the anime
>something more kingly, bombastic and oozing with personality
>the shit bike he rode in GameCube is instead replaced with the "generic kart" others use

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>>521289319
>the shit bike he rode in GameCube
What the fuck? You cannot tell me this doesn't look cool.

>>521288879
>>521289280
gonna sakufag for a second but,
I think sakurai's take on MetaKnight's fighting style if vastly better. It's mysterious, like his dimensional cape letting him teleport and it being what turns to wings, multiple pairs, even. The galaxia darkness attack, and his bread and butter tactics being to rushdown and attack alongside his flight and dimensional cape magic. I think the wind-bending, not really shown in smash, is an interpretation of katana wind-attacks, which suit him better over random super-hero powers that have zero mystery or indentity to it. They literally feel random and put of place.

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>>521289762
Meta knight and Dedede were busted motherfuckers in Kirby air ride. Everyone else only could do a shitty spin while these two fuckers could take 40% of your vehicle's health with 1 interactions.

>>521289762
It's just a Wheelie bike with patterned rim.

>>521289762
it's not shit because of looks.
it's shit because it's objectively a bad ride in-game. the slight speed bump and hammer doesnt compensate the -2/10 handling

>>521289857
I disagree, and if Sakurai thought it mattered he'd have put them in Smash. He doesn't even use a katana for giant tornados to be a "katana wind attack."

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>>521289857
sakufag all you want, because I agree with all of your points. Sakurai's Meta Knight is vastly superior to Kumazaki's Meta Knight. Both visually and character-wise, Sakurai's Meta Knight just drips with coolness and mystique as you said. I especially agree with you on the whole dimensional cape turning into wings part, I don't like that they've changed it so that Meta Knight has wings that he covers with a cape. It's cooler to imagine that he has this magical cape that can do all sorts of things from storing his shit, teleportation, turn into wings, and so forth. I think so too, and the whole wind-bending stuff kind of emphasizes how swift and sharp Meta Knight is when it comes to fighting. I will however, say that I believe it would be cooler if his geo-kinesis attacks were mixed with the wind-bending and only used as a final resort type of thing, something he uses when he's really pushed to the edge rather than something he uses on a whim.

>>521239995
>>Japanese Fangame Collection
has anyone actually played these?

>>521290663
as in, he cuts slabs out of stones around the environment and gets them mixed-in tornadoes he swipes into existence and have those stone slabs fly across the battlefield and and thrown at high speed. maybe even anime-hoping onto them to move around quickly mid-air before cutting the ever-living-shit of his opponent into millions of sushi slices in mere seconds, emphasising his mastery of the blade, and creativity in using his environment to attack? I liked the feeling of "this dude's a grizzled veteran with mysterious powers ready to kick your ass" also reflected in being the only force in Dream Land developing industrial weaponry with fancy yamato-knightly-pace-age technology no one else knows how to put together or maintain

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>>521286090
my headcanon, since Magolor epilogue shows that he traveled to the Clash universe and went back, is probably he got the clash universe version of the lor starcutter and clash universe Marx hitched a ride

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>>521288879
>Having him be delegated to just being in the arena in FL was disappointing.
I'll disagree here because I think it's a really good way to show his character progression, going from seeking to take over Dream Land because it's "too lazy" and wants to improve it, to seeing the true worth of its people and striving to keep them safe under his leadership. He's very directly implied to likely be the "strongest" character out there mentally since Forgo couldn't take over his mind no matter how many times he tried, and whenever Gorimondo or whoever else tried to raid Waddle Dee Town while Kirby was out and about in the world. He's a force to be reckoned with, and having him actually serve as a more traditional "Guardian Knight" is a pretty good take on him. He still actively chooses to challenge Kirby, he runs the Arena after all, but he also chooses to focus his efforts where it matter and trusts Kirby to be able to handle things when they get nasty, which makes more sense taking into account how the main mode of Robobot gave him a pretty harsh lesson about going in alone at the forefront with the whole Mecha Knight stuff, and also the fact in Star Allies he STILL offers you a sword for a while despite being mind-controlled. Meta Knight's still fuckin' badass, his fight shows as much, but he's smart about not being combative with Kirby and instead helping him out in other ways, which funnily enough I think also works as a nice callback to the way he tossed you candy in Adventure. He rivals you, but he's not an enemy. It's different, but for my taste, I think it's much better than Sakurai's take (although that take is still really nice in its own right).

>>521292614
I dont think anything they stated opposes what you're mentioning. it's an issue of flandarizing a character and taking away what made them special by relegating their >thing< to other new copy-alikes.

Meta Knight then being flandarized in depictions is a net negative. He can be both what you mention, and have depictions that rekindle what makes them special alongside add more to make them stand apart.

>>521285870
>For the series to grapple the possibility of a better reoccuring bad-guy, would we need more lore and diversity of geopolitics of planet Popstar?

What are you talking about? there’s been reoccurring villains for a long while now and new ones who will likely return. You got the mysterious lore of the ancients that the series is still building up to, you got Galacta Knight who has been a reoccurring villain since 2008, new variants of the Dark Matter species invading every now and then, and now Morpho who is somehow tied to the underworld. and the fact a lot of the games introduce a new “main villain” for each specific entry helps the franchise, Haltmann Co. and Fecto Elfilis were a huge hit with the fans following Kirby and brought new fans in. i think the format of “brand new threat and ominous reoccurring threat for post-game” is working out very well so far.

>>521287802
>Like the new Luma looking character? I don't get why they needed to add another Elfilin
Betrayal

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>>521283112
WELL, the lack of anyone being able to make shit after gamecube kirby and struggling for years just to copy superstar 5 times in the end from rtdl onward is not "soul" its playing it safe. no forced gimmick for each title is going to change that. sakurai actually innovated with each installment and kept everything distinct from one another. this is what so many people on this board keeps glancing over just because of their bond with dark matter trilogy and nu-kirby. the fuckers didn't even know where to take 3d kirby for 15 years. had it not been for kamiyama the game we just got wouldve been as simplistic as the 2d games have been.

im glad theres actual sense going around on this board now, it was aggravating to face toxic positivity in the public hemisphere for so long just because you dont agree with how nu-kirby operates or shitting on the most minor thing. the potential of sakurai coming back just made everyone admit what they thought about the series state as of now knowing how things can be so much better. im sure theres some good minds over there somewhere but fuck

>>521294873
oldfag that said it best.
>the potential of sakurai coming back just made everyone admit what they thought about the series' state
We've all been here and were getting REALLY worried once Star Allies hit the scene. Some of us were banished from the public realm for being concerned.

I look at Kid Icarus and think "damn imagine if Kirby got that treatment"
meanwhile a lot of these folks look at the same thing and raise hatred over their niche ass side-character not getting represented as if Kirby's value as a franchise is how much it sucks it's own dick with referencing the games that cant hold a candle to the ones that dominated Kirby's whole aesthetic - Adventure and Super Star.

I think forgotten land is proof we got a bright future, but had these nu-kirby faggots been the at the helm, we'd see RTDL rehashes until 2035. sakurai with one single title, and forgotten land's success might be the best thing that will happen to kirby, but the passion against change solely because of rosterfagging and defending lazy rehashes and zero contextual literacy is painful

Whatever drives Kumazakifags to defend utter mediocrity and slop needs to be studied.

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I like all the games.

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>>521294873
>ust to copy superstar 5 times in the end from rtdl onward is not "soul" its playing it safe. no forced gimmick for each title is going to change that.
I feel like that's being incredibly uncharitable. I get what you mean by Sakurai innovating but... I'll admit, while his evolutions to the series were always nice, they always felt like groundwork that could 100% be polished, which he would definitely go on to do himself... but I think Kumazaki and even Shimomura ended up making better use of his foundations as they were. Animal Buddies were a pretty solid expansion of the base Copy Abilities before Super Star came along, and Kumazaki actually made the Super Star formula (which felt... solid) feel fucking great and fully fleshed out rather than being stuck as just short tech demos that are neat, but just... That, tech demos. I think downplaying what Shimomura and specially Kumazaki have done for the series is just kinda retarded. I get if you don't like the games acknowledging each others' existence as much, but if anything I think it helps tie the whole series together. Calling the 2D Kumazaki games "RtDL rehashes" is awfully dismissive of what they actually do, they make Kirby feel the best it ever has, they make great use of what Kirby can actually do rather than just doing something that's "neat" and then tossing it to the side for the most part. Sakurai left a solid blueprint with Super Star and things clearly seemed to be headed towards expanding it with GCN, but something happened internally and that just got dragged out and Kumazaki ended up actually putting it together into a great game. It all just feels like "new bad" with an extra coat of paint. Again, fair enough if you don't like it, but I think pretending it's "mediocre slop" is fucking retarded. Those "forced gimmicks" I think distract from actual innovations that the newer games bring, namely stuff like proper 4P multiplayer in RtDL, the layer usage in Triple Deluxe, Elemental Skills, etc

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>>521291213
Everything you said sounded amazing, so yes something like that.
>I liked the feeling of "this dude's a grizzled veteran with mysterious powers ready to kick your ass" also reflected in being the only force in Dream Land developing industrial weaponry with fancy yamato-knightly-pace-age technology no one else knows how to put together or maintain
I liked that too and you don't get that same feeling with Kumazaki's Meta Knight. Kumazaki's Meta Knight leans way more into the heroic, valiant, protector side of Meta Knight which in itself is fine and has its own appeal but I suppose I lean more into liking the "rugged stoic" Meta Knight Sakurai made. As you said, it reflected how much Meta Knight contrasted from the general populace of Dream Land. He actively stood out, from his darker color palette, the warship, and which I wish more people noticed he had an entire military base. Nowadays, Meta Knight feels too blended in with the case, he doesn't have that same contrast he used to. And this is the fandom-part of me speaking but it's annoying that while Kumazaki's Meta Knight is cool and powerful, he looks more and more cuter on the surface which is nice but also kind of sands down his gap-moeness.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want Meta Knight to suddenly 180 and become a menace to society and drop his new-found protector role in the series but I do wish he carried more moral ambiguity and mystique in what he does and interacts with others.

>>521296102
>>521296371
I love all the games. Even the mediocre ones like Battle Royale, but defending the sloppening of Kirby throughout the better part of the last decade is not a good position to stand in.
the games are objectively good, but that does not mean we werent seeing the cracks of the series turning into NSMB-tier slop. i'm glad the series bounced back, but it's disheartening seeing people both defend and attack people for having sparkles in their eyes at the prospect of sakurai coming back for a last hoorah

>>521294873
>>521295834
>>521296102
Quit samefagging, if you hate 85% of the franchise why are you even here? Sakurai came back to make a spinoff game, you aren’t gonna get a Superstar 2.

>>521296756
>but that does not mean we werent seeing the cracks of the series turning into NSMB-tier slop. i'm glad the series bounced back

What level of delusion are you on? RTDL, Triple Deluxe, and Robobot, and Forgotten Land all had unique stories with their own villains, half this thread is clamoring for Dedede and Meta Knight to be evil again. if anything trying to do that will have the sterilization effect the Koopalings had, with little variety for story in the future.

>>521296756
Literally everyone is excited for Sakurai’s return EXCEPT post-RTDL fans, who also mysteriously overlap with rosterfags oftentimes-for some reason.

>>521296635
i dont think anyone disagrees with your points, specially doubt anyone thinks the others director's additions are bad, but as
>>521296756 puts it, you're defending a pattern that leads to painful stagnation. A whole decade and a half was based on a style from 1990's with Rainbow Curse being the only spinoff showing signs of actually giving a damn, while others reutilized the engine and pulled from minigames, rehashing content constantly.

again, idk about the others, i dont hate any of it, but to defend it is silly. it was a bad sign, but thankfully it appears we're moving to greener pastures. Sakurai's involvement being shouted against only makes people like me cautious if the people so armed up are the sort suffering a special kind of autism that makes them turn a game and it's unique set of gameplay mechanics and characfers into their whole identity

>>521297506
…you thought Rainbow Curse was good? better than Robobot?

>>521296756
My only real issues is the attempts to make F2P mobile sloplikes. I don't fuck with that stuff. As far as the main games though I haven't really felt there was anything all that bad about them. Even the silly cake game is in the scope of Kirby game diversions. ... I think, anyway. That one wasn't F2P right?

Anyway, I can't pretend to understand each individuals' impact on how a game comes out, there's too many variables there for me. I'm just happy to see another Air Ride game, I've been waiting twenty damn years.

>>521297212
please reread what you're quoting.
It says "shows cracks of" not "the series has become"
Make an effort to understand without assuming the worse????.

>>521297634
>Rainbow Curse being the only spinoff showing signs of actually giving a damn
>spinoff
reading comprehension: 0%

>>521297664
>>521297809
This isn’t new. I notice that most Kumazakifags literally just don’t read a post in full and go straight to bashing any perceived Sakurai praise.
Why is this?

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>>521297932
is that galacta knight a static object? can you give it scarfy ai?

>>521297634
NTA but I liked rainbow curse. I liked Canvas Curse too. They were both pretty stylistic entries and were fun to play idly. Canvas Curse probably had more going for it but I found Rainbow's aesthetic charming. Taken together with the long-standing Paper Mario and the Yoshi's Wooly/Crafted worlds (and Kirby's Epic Yarn, for that matter) that had been coming out, I thought it was really cool that Nintendo seemed to be making a theme of having arts-and-crafts aesthetics being a thing they just do every now and then.

>>521298003
He's a boss object though you can place him anywhere, and to answer the Anon's question from the last thread (or i think this was asked anyways) Galacta Knight doesnt use real gravity, his base Y position is based on where you actually place the object, and he wont go below that. Every knight in the 2d games works like this, from Rtdl to Star Allies.
Probably because they use the same Galacta Knight base from rtdl lol

>>521298028
there was a short time long ago when many people admitted to liking Epic Yarn a little more than RTDL solely from dissapointment it wasnt GCN
but in the end RTDL and Epic Yarn live on as incredibly good in their own respects.
Epic Yarn's OST is fucking legendary
And RTDL is the perfect "this is Kirby" game

>>521298319
>the perfect “this is Kirby game”
Bro, your Kirby Super Star??

>>521298319
>RTDL is the perfect “this is Kirby” game
>…As opposed to the games made by the FUCKING CREATOR OF THE FRANCHISE
The absolute hubris of RTDL fans.

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>>521296635
>Animal Buddies were a pretty solid expansion of the base Copy Abilities before Super Star came along

and his dumbass decided to stick to the same formula even after super star was out. he just kept the system the same and more limited than what soccer guy had to offer

>Kumazaki actually made the Super Star formula

from everything ive read from you it just comes down to you appreciating him fleshing super star's mechanics out more. idk what to even add here bc this is just a given. seeing you call the games within superstar tech demos already downplays the idea that the game is meant to have variety in gameplay like how his ideology with making games has always been down to the copy abilities, thats just how he rolls.

>I get if you don't like the games acknowledging each others' existence as much, but if anything I think it helps tie the whole series together.

you brought up lore shit i didnt lol

>Kumazaki ended up actually putting it together into a great game

he did, RTDL is fine for what it is and is a return to form. this wasnt a single man job, he needed advice from all the previous devs from the other games that weren't even involved with RTDL itself, but the dude pulled it off. I'm not going to sit here and talk to you how ultra abilities, hypernova, etc. are pointless additions but even more complex shit like the layers and multiple players shit isn't thought out that deeply. they make room for more puzzle rooms but most of the time, theyre forced upon you to progress. at its worst, the cpus plays the game for you, and this was likely one of the reasons they struggled with GCN for so long. elemental skills isnt the mind changing mechanic you think it is and im not trying to be a contrarian you just dont really need it in the grand scheme of things esp with multiple players. i don't mind the elemental shit staying but it still feels undercooked even after squeak squad.

like >>521297506 said theres stagnation.

>>521298457
Super Star is great, but it's objectively mogged by RTDL in many respects. Super Star's clearly the more important and influential title, however. Otherwise HAL wouldnt rehash it' mechanics for over a decade straight

>>521298583
Being the creator of something means nothing. Someone can always come along and a better version. This is true of anything, not just video games.

>>521260383
No, I mean what I said. I don't like seeing people be mean to each other.

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>>521297506
>you're defending a pattern that leads to painful stagnation.
I guess I just don't see eye to eye on that, sorry dude. I'll note that I'm not at all opposed to Sakurai being involved again, like I said before, I haven't gotten around to Air Ride (never had a chance to back in the day, computer really dislikes Dolphin for whatever reason, and fuck buying a used GameCube game) but I'm very much interested in seeing how Riders turns out after hearing all the positive praise for the original. But... I think the retaliatory "all the new games are slop" isn't the right approach. I said why I think the new games don't feel like stagnation to me (at least, not any more than Super Star coming off of Adventure from my perspective). I guess it's just a matter of looking at things differently, sorry if it comes off as contrarian.

>>521298684
>you brought up lore shit i didnt lol
Ah, sorry, I kinda figured due to how many people brought up "rosterfagging" and all. Again, I guess I just... Disagree with a lot of those perspectives. I can see what you mean with gameplay variety in Super Star, but... I mean it when I say it just kinda came across as more tech demo-y to me. It's fine, I "get" the idea, but I think I just prefer how Kumazaki went about it personally, and feel it was the right direction to take the series in, 'least for my tastes. Is it fine to agree to disagree...?

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>>521298934
It feels counter to the spirit of the games somehow.

>>521298686
>objectively mogged
Utter nonsense. Super Star codified and created the foundations RtDL poorly built itself on, and you claim RTDL as the perfect example of what Kirby is?
>>521298736
Perhaps, but not in this case. RtDL is inferior to Super Star, as is most other Kumazaki era games.
>But
No. Super Star, a SAKURAI directed game, is what made Kirby what it is. Bandana would not exist without Sakurai. The notion of playing as other characters locked to a single ability would not exist without Sakurai. Abilities would not exist without Sakurai.
What Kirby “is,” is whatever Sakurai made him to be. Learn this. Show respect.

>>521299330
>What Kirby “is,” is whatever Sakurai made him to be. Learn this. Show respect.
...so do you prefer arcade donkey kong to donkey kong country?

>>521299294
Exactly. It also defeats the purpose of being in a group.

if RTDL's engine gets to stick around for another decade, i'd totally vote for remastering...
Adventure and Super Star (again), I think they'd make a great comeback in that style.
Robobot is still peak RTDL style game, gameplay wise. Could have used that HD remaster, but it would be evidence of cheap rehashes for full price.


Granted I think we'll be seeing Forgotten Land for the next 10 years, and that might be alright. Hopefully Story and content beats gimmicks on the marketting front. I wouldnt mind mouthful mode being a main-stay somehow as it feels like a genujnely natural extension of Kirby's physiology

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>>521298934
the board says we didnt get toxic until recently but i've seen this shit start since star allies dropped despite people wanting GCN for so long

>>521299294
is that ai?

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So I'm seeing a lot of you wanting innovation but what the fuck would you want to see exactly? Just spit it the fuck out already.

Better combat, specific level design tropes, more variation in gameplay??

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>>521299539
>I wouldnt mind mouthful mode being a main-stay somehow as it feels like a genujnely natural extension of Kirby's physiology
I think it's a fairly natural way of adding single-move abilities into the 3D style in all honesty, what with Car being basically a 3D Wheel in practice for example, or Lift being pretty close to a 3D high-jump. It's a pretty clever way of having those single-move ability puzzles without necessarily forcing abilities designed to have 1 move to have more, and has the benefit of not taking away your current ability for the puzzle. Very cleverly designed in all honesty. also the concepts for some of them before they were finalized were fuckin' funny, look at this guy

Everyone championing Kumazaki era games havr an extremely obvious and explicit bias towards one of the new characters or one of the vets’ nu-personalities. Literally just admit you only defend Kumazaki-era shit because you like one of the nu-chars and move on. At least you’d be honest about it.

>>521299330
you HAVE to be a troll.
When i play kirby with somone new, I dont chose Super Star, i chose RTDL. If there was an HD RTDL-esque re-remaster of Super Star, i'd totally chose it, but for the time being, RTDL makes a good general example of what a Kirby game is. I'm not even a kumafag, I'm an old fag hoping Sakurai influences the series to being more punchy and expressive.

but you're just being a defenitional sakufag. If you're not trolling, then damn, you're the problem bro.

>>521299687
I don't think so, I saved it years ago. Like, when star allies was still current.

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>>521298457
Come on man, whatever you’re doing looks more like Kumazaki bashing than “Sakurai praise”. you’ve kept going on about how “awful and dark” the Kumazaki era is for like 6 threads now instead of being excited about Air Riders itself. the Kumazaki-era fans that make up most of these threads given most of the games are by him now are naturally gonna get tired of you because you're attacking a large portion of the franchise with your fanboyism,. Sure there’s some Sakurai haters but to disregard the stuff Kumazaki actually did because of that? may as well be burning down an entire forest because you got one measly spider-bite. most Kirby fans love all the games, regardless of director, we just hate you because you behave like a Sonic fan. Kirby's whole vibe is positivity and you contribute nothing like the other anons here. all you do is spout venom out of your mouth trying to start conflict.

>>521299563
in their defense, Star Allies was actually shit if not for the fanservice and ending.

>>521299892
Super Star Ultra exists.
New =/= better. Think you’re the problem, actually, if you’re seriously trying to put RTDL over Super Star.
>I’m not even a Kumafag
Mm. Sure you aren’t, bud.

>>521300127
to every other anon, just ignore this dude, he's got to be trolling.

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>>521300249
yes anon

>>521300249
Next OP should explicitly put in a rule to outright ignore the Modern Kirby Doomposter

>>521300009
>States that Sakurai quite literally codified the building blocks RtDL uses
>This is Kumazaki bashing nooo don’t be mean to the newfags
So I should just sit here and let them bash the man who is responsible for the content they partake in? Ridiculous.
I don’t care to be nice. I care about objectiveness.

>>521299687
definitely not. AI cant properly recreate Kirby characters yet.
I've been wanting to post my art but I'm scared that there's folks incapable of foguring out AI from non-AI art, because they're the sort that have dogpiled against legitimate artists starting new accounts.
But all all communities with many minors, all it takes is one pronounced instance of slander and the artist never recovers because people NEED drama and someone to hate

>>521300658
Correction: Public AI can't properly recreate Kirby characters yet.

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Object addition is now done :)

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>>521300805
I remember seeing a Anthro Kirby and a female Meta Knight posted here.
both were thick for some reason

>>521300805
are there instances of ai making good Kirby art? Something's always off with it's interpretations of characters like Kirby, since they're more abstract and harder for an AI to fully comprehend. I say this as a professional artist

>>521300418
Being objective would be to acknowledge all directors contributed to what the franchise is today. Sakurai planted the seed, and Kumazaki watered the tree and made it grow. Forgotten Land is immensely popular and became the best selling game in the whole franchise, people like what he does too.
You can defend the games Sakurai has made, Superstar is still one of the best but to attack the others is petty and childish, it reeks more of culture war stuff than an actual honest opinion. you’re just here because you want to start a fight.
I question whether you’re a Kirby fan to begin with or just are being petty because Sakurai is focused on Kirby instead of a Smash game and went to vent here.

>>521301084
samefagging or an idiot.
do not pay mind to them.

anyone paying mind to them from here on out should be assumed to samefag. Some people simply have attentionwhoring issues, and the nu-Kirby doomposter is one of them

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>>521301067
>are there instances of ai making good Kirby art?
yeah?

>Kumazaki fans can’t debate in good faith
>They either can’t or won’t read your posts in full to the point you have to explain what you said again
>Start whining when you make concrete points
>Swiftly give up and just call you strange names like doomer or schizo even if you’ve shown nothing to even support such a claim
There’s no antidote for me, mind you. I’d respect you all a lot more if you just admitted you hold explicit bias for modern Kirby for whatever reason instead of trying to act slick with your “intelligent” opinions.

>>521301240
Eyes are weird, but yeah that's not bad at all.

>>521301240
oh wow, that's beautiful.
anything with more complex poses that require actual understanding of his anatomy? Ive never seen it render Kirby with a hat or complex pose.

I heard people say any video or wip imagery gets accused as ai generated as well. I assume it's trolls, but i have to ask, is that an issue? I really want to post art but i'm scared. been saving wip screenshots of things just to make sure

>>521301240
this would be fine but eugh those eyes... also the... actual context is a bit weird, like looks like he's just floating at you but not bad

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>>521301283
it honestly rats out the twitter fags. its specifically them because even the people back at FB had more neurons when it came down to a gameplay standpoint. you will see nobody talk about gameplay as is outside of here

>>521301215
Understood. i just wanted to say my piece from what i saw them talking about, i’ll ignore him from here on out.

>>521301084
Kumazaki watered a tree that, as previously stated, had grown stale and ritualistic, static and never changing. Forgotten Land is a breath of fresh air because for once they actually shook up the formula instead of letting the “tree” fester.
I know you all made up some boogeyman in your heads about me but not once was Kumazaki personally attacked for what he did nor did I dismiss his actions for the franchise. It is when you explicitly try to pedestal the man above Sakurai that I draw a clear line and for some reason you all don’t like that.

>>521301067
This is going to sound weird but I've stumbled upon a collection of Meta Knight jerking off AI images. Outside of small hiccups on two images all of them looked really good, as if they were drawn by hand. It had Meta Knight jerking off in different angles, with his hands, with an onahole and so forth.

>>521301473
>>521301523
I've seen multiple artists do eyes like those. Salvation by Faith Records and Star Abraham comes to mind.

>>521301651
they were on-point with his anatomy? AI is great with art styles, just not with animals or creatures there's not enough images to give it a 3D understanding of

>>521301489
>is that an issue?
AI is only acceptable when used for memes and shitposts, if you use it for serious things that's where you end up being burned alive.

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>>521277779
Very late I think the CG has been outsourced to another company since at least Triple Deluxe? This also reminded me that they worked on some commercials for a Kirby Collab with Suntory (picrel), and through trying to find that ad ( https://youtu.be/Uoc3FserlmM ) I also found that apparently that collab also had a unique Green Greens arrangement made for it. The more you know. https://youtu.be/fLw24kQxjqo

>>521301602
>Kumazaki watered a tree that, as previously stated, had grown stale and ritualistic, static and never changing
>but not once was Kumazaki personally attacked for what he did nor did I dismiss his actions for the franchise

At least don’t contradict yourself if you’re gonna play victim lmao

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>>521301953
You know he doesn't actually believe a word he's saying, right?

>>521301803
I'm old enough to remember when people shat on DAWs for the same reasons. I have a feeling real artists who keep expanding their horizons will use ai to augment their work, like DAWs use synthetic instruments to make music, but i wonder how bumpy road's going to be this time

>>521301582
It’s just the modern fan mindset for some reason. I get that they grew up with modern Kirby and they like all their little scrimblos and the extended roster but I shouldn’t have to pretend like I’m arguing in good faith with someone pedestaling a modern Kirby game if they’re explicitly posting Fecto Elfilis alongside it.
Literally all you people need to do to get me to concede is to say you like the game because it has your favorite in it. I can’t argue with that.
But enough of the run around.

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>>521301602
again, you should be thanking tatsuya tamiyama's approach to handling 3D to be more than just 2d kirby in the 3rd dimension. thats the dick you need to suck

>>521301953
>a basic criticism is a personal attack
You are thin skinned. Tell me: why are you here?
>>521302015
If I didn’t, I would not be standing my ground so sternly, now would I?

>>521301859
the 3D CG ones are literally still better in art direction with the colors and textures than the official games. Triple Deluxe had it's own style going which looked good, and Robobot's looked perfect, with the best cinematograohy of all 3D cinematics

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>>521302015
That image reminds me of the Pikmin games for whatever reason, didn’t think a bloody eyeball could be adorable.

I hope Sakurai can make a main Kirby after this. Kirby's been feeling really cheap with the nostalgiabaiting.

stop formenting drama with the attentionwhore.
ignore his posts entirely.

>>521302331
He’s just replying to himself now pretending to be multiple people. they really really want this to be another Sonic general

I forgot I do annoy some people with the Elfilis images. Sorry about that, I'll try and reign it in some more...

>>521301797
Depends. As someone who looks at and draws this kind of thing I would have to say sort of leaning on yes. What boggles me is that outside of the AI fuckups I can kind of tell what kind of art it is referencing/trained off and because of that it kind of does look like it was drawn by hand on certain images. It actually looks kind of good. If I didn't know it was AI a few images could've definitely tricked me.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/128715127

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I don't know WHAT the fuck is going on

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For the Landia ability, if you give an abilityseat it's ID it turns into... this weird black icon thing. still works fine though, you can give it to kirby at any time actually, though has some strange side effects when trying to get rid of it (kirby turns small as the landia ability shrinks his model then the game crashes a bit after)

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>>521302452
Me neither

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>>521302448
it’s charming and cute, it’s nice to see every character has some very dedicated fans. you rarely post toxic nonsense and it’s a Kirby thread you’re fine.

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>A single anon standing up for a basic principle forces them all to make up schizophrenic statements and beg others not to interact with him
I’m literally just participating in the thread.

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>>521302452
getting big news brings in big activity, which often involves bringing in shitposters

>>521302690
And in this case, sadly Smash fans.

>>521298258
How different is the data between the games? could you port Morpho in RTDLDX or Galatca in SA? how similar are they?

>>521302450
i knew what i was getting into and yet i was still surprised

>>521302538
Can you defeat the true arena Magolor Soul boss with this tiny boi?

>>521302450
damn.. made me look at porn lmao
good shit from the machine, but I suppose it appears as long as you can consistently draw something extremely specific, like Dale from Air Ride, in multiple angles and doing different things, without fucking it up, it'd be obvious it's human art for the time being. I'm a bit concerned that there's people who look at tiny mistakes unique to human artists and use them to imply they're ai generated pictures.

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>>521303014
probably? i mean his orientation is off and hes small but i dont see why not?

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Do you think that new Jamba Heart in the Forgotten Land DLC could have something to do with Aeon Hero or one of the other four heroes of yore?

>>521303076
>kirby becomes insecure as he's shrunk and faces away from the camera in shame

>>521302448
Virtually was almost never a problem pre-direct. Post direct people are starting to use it as a target to shitpost at you more.

>>521303076
i meant shooting the suped up version of Magolor Soul with Landia

>>521303076
i wish RTDLDX could accept assets and copy abilities from the games using the same framework, to make the ultimate modding experience.

removing the ip counter was a mistake

>>521302448
nobody's annoyed by it.
it is an expression of your personality, and to lose it, would be to lose a bit of you that we all enjoy. Continue to be yourself, for as long as you arent harming anyone or being a dick, it will never bother or offend.

>>521303217
Yeah it’s just the guy pretending to love Sakurai attacking anything that isn’t Superstar and he’s a rather recent shitposter

>>521303063
Sorry about that. Right? I know I should be sharpening a pitchfork or oiling my torches like other artists, but I can't bring myself too. It looks good, and I can't deny it visually appeals to me outside of the mistakes. Frankly, it doesn't anger me, upset me or even worry me. Looking at those images of Meta Knight jerking off made me realize that my art has been stagnating into becoming shitty and if a AI image of Meta Knight jerking off can BTFO my art and make me stare in awe then I really need to practice more and get back into in drawing seriously. I don't know too much about AI but I'm just surprised it can do multiple angles and still keep him relatively on model.
>I'm a bit concerned that there's people who look at tiny mistakes unique to human artists and use them to imply they're ai generated pictures.
See, and I thought it was the opposite where mistakes were indicative of a human's touch when it comes to art. I suppose it depends on the kind of mistakes. It's unfortunate really.

>>521303476
when i see "shitpost" i think jokester.
he's a troll. an asshole. not a jokester.

>>521303363
VG would benefit greatly with the IDs we have on /bant/, minus the flags.

>>521303520
meta knight says trans rights!

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>>521302895
And to answer this question completely different made on different versions of Hal's internal engine so they wouldn't be compatable without rewriting a lot of code.
>>521303275
Oh yeah 100% the bullets are just hitboxes so would work fine, though you have to deal with the fuck ass speed values. Also because of how its programmed the Landia ability gets removed after the room its set in so you'd have to put it in the mago soul room but its possible.
https://files.catbox.moe/s0t778.mp4

>>521303606
Interesting viewpoint. I've never considered such a distinction before.

>>521303606
Fair point, i guess attentionwhore is more apt.

Shame he’s using Superstar as a front to be a dick though, hard enough to be a Marx fan without people calling us autists.

>>521303682
Of course he would. War veterans are notorious for becomming agp crossdressers.

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>>521303682
>>521303859

>>521303682
unless that trans is lazy

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>>521302618
>>521303217
>>521303434
Ah, you're probably right, I should just proceed as per usual... Although, I am still thinking about that collab idea, I did like the Fantasy Meadows suggestion from the other thread. Would people be interested in a "draw characters on Flying Machines/cheering from the sidelines" be an interesting gimmick? I know Air Ride doesn't necessarily have audience stands but I think it could help with variety if they're styled to fit in the background. Also trying to think of what perspective to go with, I'd like to give it some 3D depth so people could draw different characters zooming past and frontrunning or tailing others since seeing people draw up character interactions in the collab is always fun. Don't think I'll have it ready in time for Easter unless I cut a lot of corners though, so it could just end up as a more "spontaneous" collab rather than being tied to a holiday or other event...

>>521303715
do you have an archive of the funky stuff you’ve done so far? i feel guilty asking to see something you might’ve already done.

>>521303561
I'M GLAD to see another artist feel the same. I dont hate machine pictures, as they're becoming quite beautiful. If anything, they've shown me how to improve quite a bit.
In the end these machines bring more beauty to the world, regardless of their moral situation.
> "When you live among humans, it's essential to find a shared, fundamental point of understanding. Truth and Good are values proven to cause division, whereas beauty is universal."
I dont jerk off to these, but I cant bring myself to hate them. I assume others use it as an excuse to bully other people, like christian fundamentalists and woke degenerates both use PC culture to harass randoms.

>>521304048
What if Fecto Elfilis WAS an Air Ride machine?

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>>521304048
>Would people be interested in a "draw characters on Flying Machines/cheering from the sidelines" be an interesting gimmick?
...shouldn't have written out my train of thought exactly as it was coming along. But basically, would people like that gimmick?
>>521304185
You say that but I was already considering having him ride one based on his Spear for my contribution after doing the background

>>521304048
check the official japanese site for Air Riders and we can see what we can add to the background they use. it might be cool to put all the effort into neat artworks depicting character on air rides

>>521304185
>Hydra except it's Elfilis' horns instead of thorns on the sides

>>521304381
Oh, I was thinking of drawing a custom background like usual but I'll try and rip the background from the site (and probably post it here), still could serve as a good reference...

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dragged to hell and still forced to work :(
>>521304071
Not exactly, but I could see if i could make one at some point

>>521304161
Yeah, I don't hate them in itself. I do think they can look a little freaky and the ones that don't are fine. However, I don't think I can support using them or use them myself. Similar to "coders" who copy all of their code from Deepseek and ChatGPT and other AI services, relying on AI means your outsourcing the function of your brain to a machine which will inevitably make you weak and out of shape mentally in the skill you want to perfect. If you want to use them, it's fine I'm not going to see you as some irredeemable monster but I do think if you rely on AI to get artwork done it's lazy and takes the fun and point out of art.

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>>521304542
Took some finagling with the HTML but here it is, honestly looks pretty nice, curious about what the whole track will look like.

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Oh also trying to put on a mask as Magolor leads to some... strange side effects.

I think this is the first time I've seen two artists have a calm collected conversation about AI and not just immediately degenerate into a malding pile of rage.
Neat.

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>>521304258
big rig star machine

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>>521304185

>>521304998
faster

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>>521304949
well it does look alot more vibrant then the original fantasy meadows, much more of a color pop going on.

>>521304953
kdg artists are a different breedp

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>>521303682
I have a feeling Meta Knight would be brutally honest and tell a transgender that they've fallen for a deathcult based on obsession with identity and sex. They would point out how their decision to objectify the opposite sex into nothing more but prescription hormones and forcing others to play pretend is an afront to the freewill and dignity of others. He would point out that chemically or physically castrating one's self in a vapid attempt to change what cards nature has dealt one's self is to bring death to one's lineage and pain to one's forebearers. Meta Knight would promptly break down all arguments and suggest that as a creature of sexual reproduction with dymorphism dictated by sex hormones that influence everything down to one's provoclivities, that checking for hormonal imbalances with a professional doctor is a good idea, and to ponder if microplastics have negatively influenced sexual development.
Lastly, Meta Knight would strongly suggest to make one's identity more than solely one's sex and obsession of the appeared sex one is, and to make sure it's not driven by ideations of escaping depression by despreate means.

Meta Knight cares about you, he will not push self-destructive ideas as a despreate means to validate themselves too. They wish to see you prosper and produce just as much as he wishes all his companions across Dream Land, not wallow in despair and hatred of yourself masked in superficial identity crisis' and obsession with the superficial elements of sex and human anatomy.

>>521305161
drawing orb creatures ain’t exactly gonna be a bigger threat than other artists who draw simple orb creatures to be fair.

tranny knight

>>521304617
to be frank, people said the same when society moved from being farmers to specialized workers. just a thought

>>521305492
honestly i would have preferred if the world stuck to horses instead of cars, No wars over oil and not having to worry about gas prices, etc. also horses probably know not to drive into my backyard pool and if they did it would’ve been easier to get them out.

>>521305492
Fair point. However, I still think there's merit in drawing by hand over relying on prompts and machine. Yes, there will come an age where one will be undiscernable from the other and on a larger corporate scale it will be far more efficient to dump resources into machines that can create entire projects and portfoilios worth of art and on consumer scale it will be as easy as a monthly payment to create undiscernable from humans, perfectly generated illustrations, animations, comics and more but I will still think there's an ease of convience and comfort in drawing on a personal and individual scale. I think AI appeals to those who’re more result driven rather than those who’re process driven.

>>521304949
looks like fantasy meadows. They added gigantic flowers, and petals in the air. What I'm really curious about is if the pinwheel tree stays the same or becomes the modern iterations from Kirby Clash or the one from Cookie Country.
Hopefully the cave segment becomes more significant and beautiful.

>>521303859
>tiff walking in on meta knight crossdressing and listening to bambi hypnosis like a true retired war vet

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>>521305492
Personally I think it's playing with fire when you think about the consequences of the tech, not just the moral implications but how it would effect society at large which would not just be limited to art/development.

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>>521305981
Considering the other members of his species dress like this on a daily basis I shouldn't be shocked. Maybe all kirbos are just closeted faggots.

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>>521305981
tiff would probably be into that.
>>521306439
crossdressing doesn't necessarily mean gay or trans

>>521306578
Even the sissy hypnosis part?

>>521305754
>>521305875
I dont think drawing will ever go away, just like traditional art never has. I think fully hand-drawn works will become more rare and valuable. I do, however, expect tools using ai will develop where people can augment their works into products that used to take entire studios and millions of dollars to make.
for example....
>draw whole concept for animation on paper or program, then it gets turned into actual animation
>ai augmented brushes draw the folliage sand or intricate weaves of string in clothes based on an initial example you draw or ask
>kids will be able to direct entire films or video games, all they have to do is draw all their crazy ideas and ask the computer to help texture, model, voice and animate, and through it, the kids will inevitablh learn all steps to some extent, by a better teacher than any human ever could be
i think the sky's the limit. ai has the ability to augment artists, but all I hear about is people scream about it being able to simply generate pictures. To be frank, as an artist, i say good riddance to all the uninspired commissions people ask for, because drawing a person's face or random soulless porn for cash is a rather insulting use of my telent. Let the slop be made entirely by machines, and artists finally be recognized as gourmet chefs, while those who want to create the biggest projects, use it to achieve their dreams, otherwise locked down by multi-billions dollar companies.

future's bright, not sure why people think it's dark.
for the sake of Kirby, it means the pace of making assets and probably better programming leads to ever bigger, more fantastic games that punch way higher than their budgets would entail 10 years ago, all because assets become easier to create, which fills backgrounds and particle effects that people otherwise overlook or dont care about

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>>521306640
Yeah she's down for a tea party with femboy borb

ENOUGH! Why does Meta Knight of all characters have to be subjected to this shit? A faggot, some woman's bitch, crossdresser and now a sissy fetishist? Why?

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>>521306743
>implying big tech wouldn't just take control of it and use it as an excuse to not let anyone get any work or money besides themselves.
>even if by some miracle it's an open source thing it'll be super regulated

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>>521306743
>not sure why people think it's dark.
Because they took our jobs.

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gluttonous gorb (gordo borb)

would RBaY have been improved by randomly well-sung musical segments in each episode ala the DKC cartoon?

>>521307247
NO. I do not want to imagine Tiff's VA trying to sing, or Dedede, or ANYBODY from that shitty show, sub or dub.

>>521306939
>some woman's bitch
How is that one a bad thing?

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>>521303520
oh boy i finally get to repost this

>>521306939
Meta Knight was cool until he started getting possessed by evil yarn people and secretaries and read all day like a loser.
He deserves it

>>521307247
RBaY would’ve been better if Dedede wasn’t an illiterate redneck and Kirby wasn’t a pushover for random OCs

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>>521307247
the singing voices would have to be on the same quality and the songs would have to be fantastic.

NO, I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I SEE

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>>521306993
I mean, already it's empowering a lot of people.
So far, people are generally able to use it to empower their businesses (and i mean businesses as small as a lone individual)
from translations, to teaching how to program, etc etc

The admission prices are rather generous from what I'm seeing. Having a personal consultant, teacher or interpreter, hell even an artist, used to be for the very wealthy of society. today, yoh can get some of these for free.
So far the biggest sin big tech has done is meddle in politics and censor discourse like absolute faggots, but it's silly to dismiss the power individuals keep getting thanks to these ddvelopments

>>521307338
This. Meta Knight being Susie's sugarbaby is nice.

>>521307571
I would trade places with him in a heartbeat

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>>521307369
>>521307524
it really is a shit magic system.

>>521307524
post more ado cunny faggot

>>521307524
>check the blotter
>those are still the latest entries on it
goddamn

>>521306939
freedom of speech, bitch.
if it doesnt hurt anyone, let people dress all kirby characters in literally anything they want.

>>521307641
sounds like a pain in the ass

>>521307731
jump off a cliff

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>>521307731
I'm sorry, I only draw casual nudity when it's funny.
It's not funny if someone's getting off on it.

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>>521307662
I do wonder what tiff would think about mircale workers (that show was fucking unhinged)
>>521307846
I believe in femboy supremacy, trannies don't deserve cute clothes.

>>521307731
Don’t be rude, he’s based for making it to begin with, he won’t wanna make more if you whip him like a chinese factory worker. I hope he does more but you’re probably gonna make him fuck off from it.

>>521307731
kill yourself pedophile
>>521308038
you too

>>521307952
sure gave us that plump coomcheechee
wait how can you be certain tiff have nipples if the- wait the mother has tits, right.

anons, seriois question
does kirby wear little shoes or... are those his feet?

>>521307846
>let people dress all kirby characters in literally anything they want.
Nah, you fetishists should fuck off.

>>521307952
It can be cute AND funny!

>>521308184
Kirby should wear a strap-on, because freedom of speech, bitch.
I dont even get off to any of this, but people have a right to draw anything they want as long as it's not a literal instruction on how to harm others

>>521307952
How do you make naked Adeleine funny? i can’t think of anything beyond “mildly amusing” humor like “dude what if shrooms got mario high”, granted most of your comics are like that in general i guess. no offense though.

>>521307872
That’s the idea. you mean you wouldn’t let a smug Susie peg you?

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I know who is behind all the shitposting in the thread.

>>521308419
desu, it's funny because it's both edgy and shows the absurdist point of the joke. it's not rocket science. The best jokes are based on poking on established norms too, in this case, drawing a naked cartoon girl.
i'd bet no one got off on it unless they're a special kind of degenerate, but otherwise, the joke should not suffer to pander to those inclined to shriek at the mere concept of a naked body (only makes it funnier)

>>521307524
>Why would you hire a non magical janitor for a magic school
Jannies must always be kept on a short leash

DOES KIRBY WEAR SHOES OR THOSE HIS FEET???

>>521307952
What if she’s casually naked because Paint Roller stole her belongings to impersonate her and not get snubbed again?

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>>521308630
you know what would be like, a really funny joke what if like, tiff took off her shoes and showed off her toes, just like as a joke haha, for the laughs and let meta knight sniff them, for the chuckles, haha.

>>521307872
I wouldn't think so all Meta Knight has to do is
>Tell Susie how proud of her he his and that she's an amazing president of HWC
>Go on cutesy dates with Susie, hold her bags, tell her she looks great and anything she buys with self-given bonuses.
>Massage Susie's back after a long day of being the company president and watching HWC stock go up and stop Susie from panicking when it goes down
>Bathe with Susie and wash her back
>Have surprisingly vanilla sex with Susie that involves a lot of thigh to clit kissing. As funny as it is to imagine Susie pegging Meta Knight I unironically think the worst Meta Knight will have to deal with and perform is some really cringey roleplay
>Keep her company while she sleeps and has horrific night terrors
Badda bing, badda boom Meta's earned a new energy reactor that's lazer proof and a cash infusion for the Halberd that buys it supplies for the next few months.
>>521307952
>hand-less nub hand Meta Knight
Nice.

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>>521308804
I mean meta knight has those metal shoes and this exists so...

probably not? maybe?

>>521308630
My man, that’s just shock value. and people get off to literally everything, people here want to fuck Meta Knight in the ass and you think a human female wouldn’t produce even more of those results? pretending to be retarded still make you retarded.

>>521308806
personally, i would never sleep naked with kirby unless you were... "sleeping" with Kirby. Anime kirby would probably, even as a mature version of themselves, let you plap his mouth just to eat your coom. Seems in-character considering they are a freaky food connissuour.
Kirby did get grossed out by the hentai artists' work in that one episode tho, so maybe he was taught to be grossed out? As an alien with no sexual reproduction i cant see him giving a fuck when he consumed prey whole, bones gutts shit and all

>>521309005
But what if he just put those on over his usual "shoes?"

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>>521308914
I like to think parallel susie and dark meta knight, in contrast, have like the most healthy normal love life imaginable.

>a human female
Gee, I wonder which schizo could be behind that post

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>>521309082
nobody puts shoes over shoes.

...what if they are socks?