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>>546308285
>face tracker in two weeks edition

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>no mention of lighthouse compatibility
hope you enjoy your $1000 paperweights, no refunds btw

I'm legitimately sad because of valve announcing how shit the steam frame is and ending index controllers.

>>546308557
>>546308629
t. bigshit beyond poo buyers remorse

this is all just preamble to 2028 when they release Full-life and steamOS for PC and gabe gets his big meaty claws around bill gates pencil neck
total gabe supremacy

Stop playing vr chat. Lavender is better.

The steam frame looks like an excellent well polished 2023 headset.

wish they released lighthouse version of the new controllers
stuck with cuckles forever

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When I purchased my quest pro sometime last year (600€, ~700$), I thought I would regret it. I thought the Deckard would drop and I'd kick myself to see it have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless. I was honestly so ready to cry, shelf my qpro and just drop another 1,000$ straight up.

Today, I feel nothing. This headset is junk meant for a target market that will use VR once and then throw it into the cupboard. I know a bunch of tech enthusiast irl from work and similar who have VR headsets and they treat it like that. They wear it maybe three times a year. That's your target market, not the daily driver AGP vrtroons (me).

Gaben is a nigger and I cast myocarditis upon him, he can go join Jelly in the pearly gates. Fucking TRASH.

>>546308940
Would be nice actually, but it would require a complete redesign.

I don't mind lack of face tracking because nobody even looks at me and i wear my anxiety mental breakdown on my face 24/7 anyway

>>546308557
on one hand i don't have to have a panic attack wondering if they're going to have blinking red light of death every time i get on vr, on the other thyre going to be obsolete. man, dont even get me started if they start no longer selling index cables. thts my biggest fear. i can maybe get out 2 more years of my current one but who knows how much they'll go for offmarket. too grim to think about

Meanwhile me here still waiting for Shitfall Flip controllers

>>546308965
>have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless
You should have paid attention to the leaks instead of expecting fantasy shit. But I supposed living in a fantasy land of delusion is par for the course for trannies.

>D and S made a bet a year ago if SteamFrame was releasing in 2025 or 2026
>loser has to suck the others real cock
Oh S oh dear lol!!!!

>>546309141
Who?

>>546308452
I wonder if you can still play PCVR only worlds on a frame headset? Wonder how that's going to work out.

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Thanks for coming to photos! Use this as an anchor post.

>>546309087
how dare I dream of a product to actually have features i want

>>546309282
Playing standalone on Frame is just playing your Steam library, so you'd just launch the PC version of the game

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>>546309363

No direct Displayport is a dealbraker to me, I mainly bought VR for racing games, where I'd rather just plug the headset in

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Gamer's Nexus' video has a shot of the Steamlink debug graph, showing a latency of about 12ms. The best I've ever seen anyone get is about 20ms, with 30ms being more common, so 10-20ms improvement over your average Quest 3 experience probably.
Elsewhere they list numbers as low as 8ms end-to-end, which probably doesn't take the game render time and such into consideration.
Might actually be acceptably low
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ

>>546309781
ah yes no no no i dont want 2ms latency wireless i want to be cabled to a pc with the same latency.
you people gotta be retarded it has the same update rate as an index

Can't wait for people to buy the Frame + cube, launch a PCVR game on the cube and cry that PCVR games in 4k run badly on an RX 7400

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>>546309363

I'm fucking glad volvo didn't listen to any of you retards, I don't wanna pay $2k for a headset.
>>546309937
no no no you don't get it he's a pro racing driver he can't use foveated streaming because his eyes simply move too fast for the tracking to keep up

>>546309937
I'm sitting down, I don't need to use wireless and use the battery. I'll use wireless for games where I'm actually moving around.

>>546309937
Zoomzoom babies cry whenever they see a power cable, rather strap 30 pounds of batteries to some part of their body (and run a cable anyways)

>>546310171
ah yes ofcourse how could i be such an idiot... i forgot everyone here is fucking max verstappen lmao

>>546309937
>>546310171
>samefagging this hard just because someone wants a feature present on pretty much every other headset

>>546308965
i would have been happy with an oled index

95% of you niggas sit down or stand still 24/7 anyway wtf do you care if there is a cable it aint like you're moving around

>>546308965
>When I purchased my quest pro
Sorry bro you got scammed but in the other direction. Enjoy the facetracking at the cost of every bit of QOL being sucked away from you by your hardware being zuckshit.

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>>546309363

for me? it's a lightweight tethered headset
gonna get a real racing seat and recline very much

>>546310685
Troons coping about their $1000 troony trackers setup being obsolete

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Alright give it to me straight then.
I'm still on an OG vive cause I missed the index bus and didn't want to commit to the frankenzucc setup in the hope Valve wouldn't be shit.
Now that it's looking pretty confirmed dogshit, what's the best option? How much of a hassle is it to make quest pro (or whatevers best from questoids now with FT/fingers I didnt pay attention) play nice with PCVR wirelessly? Is the bigmeme 2 (RMA lottery lmao) any better in comparison? How grim is it looking?
I need other people who have actually owned these things to feed me opinions.

DON'T IGNORE ME I NEED ANSWERS

>>546310971
bad bait there's not even a tracker alternative

>>546311003
>I'm still on an OG vive
how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaoh
get an index man, surely some retard will be selling one used thinking the new garbage will be good (it won't be good)

>>546311028
https://www.amazon.com/Vive-Ultimate-Tracker-Dongle-Full-Body-Tracking/dp/B0CQPQ659X

>>546311121
>Ultimate-Tracker
>i/o camera slop
no thanks? this shit is way overpriced?
at least post fluxes oh wait you can't buy them because they don't exist

>>546311003
bsb2 now
or wait and see if pimax dream air SE is a scam
or wait until frame comes out

>>546311003
are you retarded? are you just taking posts of /vrg/ shitposters at face value without doing literally any research of your own?
kill yourself, unironically

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>>546309363
Bird, my only good photo got ruined by an accidental filter fml

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>>546311215
>slop

>>546311403
your post is lazy repostslop and your idea of what makes a good headset and tracker setup is current-thingslop

>>546311003
Im on a CV1 and genuinely considering a frame. Even if the specs are outdated its still gonna be double my current resolution.
I would wait for the price, if its competetive then it might really not be so bad as a CV1/vive upgrade.

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>>546311028
Erm no you can use the slimes the ULTIMATE vive trackers (they are called this because they actually work better than the flawless 3.0s) or even xbox kinect and play station move.

So, actually, there are MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking.

Moreover, when Fluxpose is released we will have an even BETTER option because it certainly wont be another in a long line of disappointments.

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>>546309363
>>546311275

>>546311116
>how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaoh
Gabe refused to sell the index to me until it was already ancient
>>546311226
No more waiting I need it NOW
>>546311263
God forbid I fucking ask for the opinions of real anons instead of 'researching' paid advertisement review shillposts from people who know they can't say mean things if they want to continue getting review shit before release and only use the headset for maybe 10-20 hours before doing their writeup and never touching it again unironically kill yourself.

>>546311476
Nice non-opinion postslop

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>>546309363
>>546311546

>>546311504
>MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking
I will concede on this point but not on the idea that any of them are better.

>tfw can't even max EA WRC settings with Vive
is higher resolution even good if you have to lower settings

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It's fucking over

>>546311618
ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at all
you either have been here less than a week or have genuine brain damage

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Alright vrg
I lurk here most of the time but for now I want to get the dedicated opinions of only the most enthusiast of the market
We're going to be developing a Steam Frame Pro, but we're still trying to figure out what features and upgrades to add to it over the Frame Vanilla
What do you guys want?

>>546311894
But anon, just think, you can play flat games with your vr headset!!! It will be like a steam deck on your face!!
Just imagine, you can now have a vastly inferior and more uncomfortable experience with inferior controllers for just a few hundred dollars!

>>546311003
Index is an alright upgrade if you can get it at a decent price (don't let index users meme you into paying $1k for a 5yo headset)
BSB is fine too but thats still a $1000 headset + cost of knuckles and base stations
>Qpro meme in 2025
lol
If you care about FBT/Finger tracking Index is an obvious choice and if you want wireless get a Q3S and slap an extra tracker on it and you're golden. If you want face tracking too Frame is probably gonna be your best bet + better latency compared to Q3S.

>>546311003
The real answer is to buy an extra tundra or 3.0 for whatever Black Friday sale they have and wait and see.

They keep their value pretty well so you have nothing to lose especially if you are already in the base station ecosystem.

>>546311894
waggleslop is over
reclinechads won

>>546311841
No one can max it out in VR, i'm running low-medium on 3080ti. Even if you'll manage to get good framerate in a specific scenario, two things will happen
>it'll run like shit in different weather/location anyway
>visually, you'll probably benefit more from no AA + high res + downsampling than you did from max details

don't bother, low details gaming

>>546311226
>pimax dream air SE
The name could be longer

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>>546311003
The bigshit 2e has been good to me, even got lucky on the RMAs so far. With the price you pay you at least get top-tier support, they'll redo face gaskets/send free cables/rma basically anything.

>>546311546
I need chiffon K to step on me.

>>546308859
that'll be $999.99

>>546311902
>ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at all
Less so than reviewniggers retard
>less than a week
Did you miss the part where I have an OG vive? Been here since the start bro...
>>546312086
quest shits out so many versions idk which is the one everyone uses for face tracking
i really want face tracking and dont really want to cope on frame getting an add on in 2 more weeks
>>546312093
was going to need to buy them anyway cause i only have 2.0s (formerly 1.0s until they ran out of battery life)
>>546312225
whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?

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>>546309363
>Don't you believe in fairies?

>>546312412
Steam Frame getting a mouth tracking addon is inevitable don't let some retarded anons try to tell you otherwise. If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.

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>>546312225
>whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?
likely depends on where you live but from their warehouse in LA to Colorado and back took about 2mikuwikus

>>546311961
OLED
Human FOV
Diopter adjustment
Displayport
60 GHz wireless with a powerful decoder for non-compression wireless
Full color passthrough
Face tracking
Hand tracking
Shitfall Flip style controllers with Quest Pro 360 degree tracking, finger tracking and PS5 style adaptive triggers
And most importantly, new games

>>546312086
>>546311003
you can buy an index cheap af from tundra
get it while you can because it will probably go up since there is zero fresh supply
index controllers are the undisputed goat
>>546312412
>i really want face tracking
your options are quest pro or some home bullshit

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NA anime tonight at 10 pm est in vrchat
https://rentry.org/i3t5ozt8/

Azumanga - 19
Azumanga - 20
Alma-chan - 06
Kaken Rider Naritai - 06
IS - 06

Will post instance link when it's up. You can wait until 11 to join to skip azumanga

>>546312728
>Full color passthrough
i do not understand why anyone cares about this

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this is gonna be the SoC thats gonna run your frame

>>546311003
I think Frame has a good chance of being a decent headset, if display won't be shit and latency will be handled well (everything so far suggests they did some autism in that direction), this might be a solid Index 2, assuming it won't cost rumored $1200. But if you want BSB2, I have one and honestly I can recommend it despite shitting on it in thread so much. It's crazy light, image is crazy sharp, software is decent, customer service seems to be fast though it's a fucking discord channel and because of that i feel like i'm not being taken seriously, but that's a pet peeve, I had no rma-tier hardware issues so far, and they send new gaskets on request even if you're unsure if you need one. It's overpriced, it's ridden with various small downsides, but if I could turn back time, I'd buy it again.

But don't despair on Frame just yet, wait for emotions to cool down and for proper opinions to form. This really seems like a potentially decent device to me.

>>546311961
Index but smaller and everything doesn't break after a year of use

>>546310685
I haven't touched my turning joystick in over a year. It feels like I'm driving a fucking tank unless I turn around physically.

>>546312917
I want to chill in my comfy armchair next to my comfy fireplace and play some flat game in VR while seeing my surroundings

>>546311961
lighthouse faceplate, face tracker, eye tracking including eyelids and eyebrows, maybe oled if display turns out to be meh.

>>546312617
>If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.
2nd class citizen lmao

>>546312917
Nobody cares about this.

>>546310685
I hate tripping over the cable when I try to move around. Even when I'm sitting down I hate keeping track of where my cable is so I don't accidentally yank it when I move my chair.

i want to play pavlov

>>546313089
freak

>>546313261
skill issue....

Basically a good headset if you play VR games wirelessly. Thanks gaben.

>>546313491
great news for the 5% of people who play vr games!
i bet they can't wait for all the exciting new releases like... asseto corsa and pavlov?

https://youtu.be/8x49XBlrBz0?t=2085
At least it sounds like we can still flip people off

Woo! Finally, the Quest 2.5!

>>546313640
/vg/ - Video Game Generals

Where's ShillSeeker's video?

>>546313640
The people who give a shit about wired headsets and latency are a minority of autists. Most people don't find 0.00001ms of latency completely unplayable believe it or not.

>>546312917
It's a quality of life feature. Much nicer than peeking through the nose gap or having to take off the headset for something minor like finding your drink or pouring another one.

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>>546313803
Uninvited

>>546314345
Grayscale passthrough has been enough for me in these use cases

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atleast it has an NPU so we can run AI on it

>>546314030
so are people who give a shit about vr period
i do want a wireless headset but i also want an enthusiast headset if i wanted some middle of the road thing then i would get a quest because that will always be the cheapest option
what we got was an expensive, but good, quest and while it is a good quest it is still a quest

>>546314552
>Uninvited
Good riddance.

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>>546309363
Two anons about to move to gensokyo

You think we'll have a big influx of newfags after the Frame releases or just a few here and there trickling in?

>>546314742
There's already the Play for Dream for enthusiasts.

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R.E.P.O. has a VR mod and is currently on sale!
I have to try it out first but if it works fine I will host it soon during EU times. (9pm-12pm CET ~ish) get it NOWNOWNWONWOWNW

>>546315554
>wirelessslop
>XR/MR not VR
>chyna
dogshit peddled by people seeking display resolution at the cost of literally everything else i guess

>>546315534
in the thread yes
in instances no

>>546315534
Can't be worse than Quest 2 release

>>546315724
just say you're too poor

>>546315534
depends on if the Gabecube releases same time or not imo
if the gabecube releases same day maybe less people will be interested in the Frame
I was able to get deck oled special edition on launch easily enough
worried scalpers will tear through this shit even though no one likes VR

>>546315836
0.5RMB deposited into your WeChat Pay account!

>>546315534
Really doubt Frame will get any mainstream appeal, it does nothing special, nothing grand, aside of yet another attempt of selling steam machines. Quest does most of the stuff Frame does, so if someone would be interested in what Frame offers, he'd already have a Quest. Sure, it probably does many things better, and PC flat gaming gimmick is nothing to scoff at, but imo this entire "steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe. Normies will hear linux and run the fuck away, PC vidya enthusiasts already have a device that outperforms gabecube, VR enthusiasts already have a headset.

>>546315965
you can have it back, you need it more than me.

will they call the launch title alyx 2 or HL3?

im convinced people are just shitting on the frame to ensure they can buy one on release lmao
you people wouldnt know the best vr headset if it shat down your throat.

>>546309403
This but unironic

>>546316048
>Full-life

>>546316080
It's literally just a sidegrade to the quest 3 dude, get over yourself.

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>>546316013
the Frame™®© ended flat gaming

>>546316080
The index is the best vr headset.
We prayed for better.
GabeN did not answer.

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>>546316048
There is no launch title they said there will be no new first party vr games. They are all in on flat game streaming.

>>546316149
ah yes an upgrade in every single possible way to any vr headset on the market is a sidegrade..

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>>546311961
stick with the light house tracking
oled screen setup the screen autists suggest
eye tracking with eyebrow upperface tracking
lower face tracking with the tongue tracking like vive / project babble
finger tracking
fbt hip, feet pucks included

we literally just want an index 2.0 that uses light houses
let me repeat that

A BETTER INDEX
OLED SCREENS
FACE TRACKING
WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BEST
PARTS THAT DONT BREAK
CONTROLLER FINGER TRACKING LIKE INDEX CONTROLLERS
FBT INCLUDED
not a single person who knows anything about PC VR will be able in good conscious to suggest anything else if that's the package of the index 2.

i dont give a single fuck about pass through i dont know why people want that if you need to sacrifice that for all of the above no actual VR PC hardcore gamer will care

>>546316367
lmao.

>missed over 1200 posts while at work
welp something happened for sure
is there a tl;dr summary so far of whats been found out?

>>546316451
I could build this but I wouldn't have a clue what to do on the software side

>>546316451
sorry chud, enjoy your tracking drift and playspace calibration!

>>546316606
just go on the steam store and read nigga

>>546316013
>"steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe
the average joe is going extinct. people are increasingly turning to vidya because real life increasingly sucks

>>546316606
Valve announced new hardware first time in 4 years

>>546316606
tldr hold on to your index and take care of it because there's not going to be anything better for another 10 years

>>546311961
Literally just an Index with OLED.

>>546316261
>oculus quest
>but 2026
Ok...

>>546316606
Valve announced deckard
Valve killed pcvr
There is a new steam controller

>>546316710
hehe 2 year old index cable go crackle crackle pop!

>>546316327
they said theyre not developing any (because HL3 is already finished)

>>546316806
>Valve killed pcvr
You can't kill what's already dead

>>546316606
quest 2.5: Linux edition is coming out

>>546316813
the fuck did you do to yours, get it stuck in your chair's wheels and torture it?
some people

>>546316813
I just bought 2 cables lol

>>546316451
>WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BEST
FUCKING THIS LET ME TURN MY FUCKING LIGHTS OFF IN MY ROOM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>546316980
could've spent that money towards a better headset

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>>546316813
Just got a new one and have 4 more on the way. when I saw the announcement and details I immediately ordered thousands of dollars worth of index equipment with the money I was saving hoping the deckard would be good, 4 more lighthouses and 6 more cables as backups as well as 3 pairs of knuckles.

>>546317071
Yeah like the [future space to be filled]

I have literally shat on every single headset since the index.
bigshit beyond is awful and will die on you from sweating and youll be stuck with discord server support. oh and $1800 for just the headset oh and no real eye tracking or ft
qpro is literally a quest 2 with ft +100 pixels lmao

frame has literally everything we asked for and more -ft on release which is so obviously gonna be an addon.
and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate and the one leg up they did have (update frequency) is shat on by frame also..

ts has fully convinced me that you guys are worse at judging headsets than shillseeker dude actual braindead dribbling retards in this thread.

>>546316619
build it and let the devs come to you to make the software!

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>>546313803
He’s been crying about it in his discord

>>546317263
qpro oled is nice but the headset isn't great overall

>>546317263
it's gonna be $800 for a LCD headset that has black and white passthrough

this pretty much confirms there is no valve-made VorpX thing coming with the Frame huh?
Those "leaks" about multi-tiered "verified for frame, frame+3d, full VR" was just someone memeing all along
I know it says they're expanding the "verified" store tags, but if you could play Hades2 in 3D they probably would've advertised that

>>546317263
>no real eye tracking or ft
whats the fucking point lmao, who keeps making these PCVR headsets without the full suite of goonertech in nearly 2026?
>m-muh racing games
noones buying a big meme just for assetto

>>546317121
can i tap tap an extra one ill pay you 50 for it

>>546317263
no oled, inside out only, shitty looking controller design, lmao. "Everything we asked for and more" my ass

>>546317263
>frame has literally everything we asked for
>we
I asked for lighthouses, cables, and double/treble the resolution. Not a minor resolution upgrade, standalone hardware (I don't need standalone, this needlessly inflates cost), and FORCED WIRELESS

>>546316451
btw Anything less than this means your ideal target user "hardcore PC VR gamer" is going to hybridize whatever you give them in order to fix any of those deficiencies

your hardcore pc vr gamer almost 95% of the time also plays vrchat
which means they have light houses and htey will be wearing light house tracked FBT even if you make a headset that doesn't use light houses, like the light houses will be a part of the setup regardless unless you deliver some kind of full body FBT with the Frame Pro that is better than light house FBT

im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc... maybe there will be an addon for rear tracking...

If you just want to play vr games then there hasn't been any reason to upgrade your headset for years and there still isn't. You can be using a fucking vive and get the same experience.

>>546317397
>>546317446
oh yeah mb i forgot no oled on frame but we'll see what they did with the lcd when it releases fully

>>546317263
There's too many people here with too many different desires for VR. It was always going to make some of them seethe.

>>546317263
>and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate
Shove a rusty spike up your ass I want to play with lights off

>>546317515
sorry I plan to use all I bought for the next few decades, and any extra i'm saving to sell once production of the parts ends and the aftermarket price skyrockets.

>>546317647
Frame works in the dark

>>546317681
Please sir....just snip off the ends a touch and i'll satisfy myself with just the bits....

>>546317397
Controllers were also good because they had baseless 360 degree tracking, but they ate through batteries pretty quickly

>>546317121
kek

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>>546317585
>>546317647
please read actual fucking research before opening your fat fucking slobbering mouth downy

>>546317696
proof: ...

>>546317397
quest pro doesnt have oled

>>546317607
>will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc
hahahaha the controllers don't have cameras haha have fun holding your hands in front of your face

>>546317263
>bigshit beyond
stopped reading there

>>546317843
>im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex
What is trex?

>>546317263
>no real eye tracking or ft
nigga never heard of baballonia

>>546317263
if that's all true then the Pro just needs OLED screens and a FBT solution that can do 5 point and 9 point and that's it PCVR secured mission accomplished

>>546317810
whatever you say, 3 pointer.

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>saves Steam Frame
nothing personnel, kid

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>>546317824

>>546317940
3 pointer pose, standing with your hands in front of you to make sure they are in camera view.

>>546317810
>accuracy and precision
>system that misreads things sometimes vs system that just makes shit up as it goes along
are you kidding yourself shitzlo

>>546317996
read it, retard
https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3463914.3463921

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How will calibrating to basestations work? Those cameras might be able to detect the light from the basestation and auto calibrate, which would be nice but i doubt that it will do that by default. I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...

>>546318147
>when brad said the deckard IS the lighthouse he was just creaming his pants over this
lol
lmao

>>546318246
>I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...
I have bad news...

>>546318246
>How will calibrating to basestations work
It won't

>>546316261
it's great
exactly what I was hoping for
a lot of people just had nitpicky unrealistic expectations

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What's the current ultimate "i live in the matrix" hardcore PCVR hybrid setup?

Quest 3 + babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?

right?

Frame Pro just needs to be that. minus the extra trackers other than feet and hip.

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>>546318246
anon...

>>546318376
>hardcore PCVR
the ind-
>hybrid
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA

>>546317824
it has ir trackers.

>>546317843
the controllers have built in imu's

>>546317967
babble is just as compatible with the frame retard

>>546317996
ive had trackers for like 8 years and used both mixed and not mixed. mixed is more of a pain obviously but eh

>>546318170
you are talking about the quest. noteably not the frame..

>>546318370
>Unrealistic expectations
Unrealistic expectations like having features that have existed on other headsets for half a decade

>>546318452
>babble is just as compatible with the frame retard
where did I say it wasn't jackass?

>>546318452
>the controllers have built in imu's
>the controllers will drift themselves to the floor and need fixing every 10 minutes
great to hear, thanks

>>546318107
what was the deal with these things
last i heard it was still "too good to be true"

>>546318527
magnets.

>>546318246
Did you miss the memo? Base station tracking is DEAD. Get with the times. Yes, it worked flawlessly. Yes, it was easy to set up. Yes, it will still be necessary for FBT. However, none of that is important because, while it was easy, setting it up was like just totally too much work and inside out tracking works almost as well if you ignore all the problems.

>>546318527
the deal with them is that they sound good but aren't out yet and thus need to be treated as fake until they come out and get real testing.

Their announcement/website boasts about having 12 WHOLE BETA TESTERS, for context.

>>546318527
the deal is that they don't exist and you only have the word of the developer and his friends that they're as good as they say, you can't buy them because they don't exist and what you do get in 5 years when they're available will be inferior as a commercial product compared to whatever black magic prototypes they made to sell them

>>546318523
you are comparing shitty company or diy to valve.
also its not its sole tracking method its additional to the headset tracking them

>>546318523
>fixing them requires them being in view of the HMD for less than a second
same shit happens on Q3 without the IMU's.
even if the IMU's somehow made it worse it would fix itself whenever you move your hand in front of you?

I hope there's a way for the new Steam Frame controllers to be used with multiple headsets if they're running Steam OS. I would like a new standard for slam controllers.

>>546318107
Hope this has no major downsides. An alternative to lighthouses is good for FBT in VR long term.

>>546318527
They're releasing a kickstarter this month, if they're not faking faggots they'll send out some units to VR shills for further testing.

>>546318703
>>546318690
If only there was a solution that valve already knew how to do that removed this issue entirely...

>>546318784
>Hope this has no major downsides.
just don't live in a place full of rebar wire

>>546318376
11 pt tracking + vrgloves+ everything else you mentioned

>>546318802
grrr i hate when technology advances!!

>>546318829
>just don't live in a place full of rebar
>2 of my walls are concrete with rebar in them
>massive metal ventilation shaft in the ceiling
it's so fucking over for me

>>546318927
Advancing is when we create problems that didn't exist for no upside other than the manufacturer's bottom line :)

>>546318927
I love when it goes backwards

>>546318952
just keep a good coronavirus distance of like 2m from the wall!

So what are the chances it will be available for purchase this year?

lol at linus stopping to call out the tranny in the room for not answering his questions enough

>>546319050
0%
they literally said early 2026

>>546319014
The room is 3.5m across by like 10m long I don't think this is possible

>>546319050
they said early 2026 in the announcement video retard

>>546319050
Zero, they already said q1 2026

>>546318802
it would be nice if it worked with lighthouses in addition to slam
maybe since it has an expansion port someone could make a 3rd party lighthouse faceplate like pimax uses on their new headsets

obvious why valve wouldn't go lighthouse only if this thing is meant to be used on your couch/friends house/the bus/outside

>>546318976
ah yes the headset thats been in development for 6 years is going to have issues tracking the controllers...
dribbler.

FUCK lighthouses, FUCK screwing shit to your walls, FUCK the room setup app which is the worst playspace calibrating piece of shit of all time, SLAM is the future

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If money isn't a factor, why would you buy a Steam Frame over a Galaxy XR?

>>546319242
>thing that isn't out yet that uses technology that has issues definitely magically fixed the problems, buy it now chud

>>546319148
the gaming hallway...

>>546319194
>the bus
great way to get mugged if you live in nogistan

>>546319335
yea ok calm down zuckerberg

I wish the future had more games

that smol dog big dog r*ddit meme but it's about tough lighthouse chads using a handheld drill and standalone cucks being scared to install anything

>>546319370
to use Linux instead of Android (Linux but less cool)

>>546319335
>FUCK screwing shit to your walls
found the real poor, renting somewhere they can't modify

>>546319370
i dont wear pants when i play vr so i have nowhere to put the battery in

>>546319370
Galaxy XR is unibody so I'm choosing steam frame

>>546319418
I hope future games are hardware prohibitive to participate in for penniless children and brown majority nations.

>>546319335
this nigga got filtered by the room setup process lmao
just click 4 times in advanced mode my nigga!

>>546319335
>put base station on a shelf
>do room setup once
>never touch it for 2 years
waou so hard

>>546319501
sure you do!

>>546319536
sorry anon we need everything to cater to the lowest common denominator now to maximize shareholder value
that means selling out your hobby and your country to retarded, sub-80-iq, barely-human third world shitskins
been this way for almost 20 years now

lighthouse cucks not being able to piss and shit while staying immersed with fbt on

>>546319654
imagine the smell of anon's hardware...

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Reminder that you don't NEED to drill anything to use lighthouse trackers, you just need to have a sense of ingenuity and a high IQ

>>546319370
Because I can buy a PSVR2 headset and then do this
>>546318376
>+ babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?

Just give me index 2.0 with OLED screens that has eye tracking and a built in babble project lower face tracker
yes i want light house tracking with that

I'd buy it even if it's still wired.

>>546319398
something dystopic about not having your own transportation and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view

Wait what's the point of advertising a vr headset as a device to play flat games on? Does valve think there's a target demographic that wants this?
If a subset of people who play flat only do buy it, it's possible they could be converted to vr and revitalize vr gaming, but I really don't see flat gamers buying a headset unless the headset offers something valuable to them in flat gaming. Maybe for people who travel frequently and don't want to lug a high refresh rate monitor around? But thats what laptops are for. So what's the point?

I just want a bigshit beyond with eye tracking, passthrough, and oculus controllers

Quest 3 is to Frame what Switch was to the Steam Deck. I can literally see people buy this just for discord movie watching togheter and using on airplanes, when traveling and such. Movie watching machine and play console ports.
No LH tracking is pretty bad, Valve abandoning it means no big company is standing behind LH, wich was an open standard that anyone could make hardware for. I hoped the Valve frame would be LH playspace/SteamVR native since Index was such a good FBT experience.

Still gonna buy it because I'm a sucker kek, but I hope it's better then the Quest/SteamVR hybrid that sucks ass.

>>546319910
>something dystopic about not having your own transportation
That's what I'm saying, transit enthusiasts will tell me it's better and then sit down next to a drug-addled criminal like it's not a problem

>>546319654
>i can poo while still in VR!
>I can cheers kippis kanpai drink alcohol and hit my bong while using my color pass through!
obese slop cattle moment

>>546319924
I mean one of the end-games of HMDs is replacing monitors entirely. This thing is still too chonky for that though

>investigating potential web domain
>they make software for the shipping industry
I laughed

>>546319910
>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
AR glasses for this feel when, Zucc?

>>546319654
When I lived in a dorm room at school, one of my base stations was able to see into my bathroom, and my index cable was just long enough for a comfortable sit on the toilet actually, and you better believe a weird guy who was into feet convinced me to wear the headset into there once when I was drunk.

>>546320102
you're okay with lighthouses because you spend all your time sitting on your ass you projecting obese cunt

>>546319536
Ok Randy Pitchford

>>546320102
drunkniggers that belong nowhere near VR have to be 95% of the market for wireless slop I swear to god

>>546320049
I agree with ya
I could maybe see using it on a plane, but even then I wouldn't feel comfortable with no passthru

>>546320254
AI powered filters that turn nogs into anime girls (white) when?

>>546319924
Every single VR company is pursuing this demographic which doesn't exist outside of their fantasies and it's the people who will "casually" play vr. They have this idea that people will just throw the headset on and play it like candy crush except they apparently don't understand that wearing vr sucks and normal people do not want to do it. It's the same reason so much shit gets released with pitiful battery life and no easy way to swap the batteries; they apparently don't know people play games in long blocks and not 20 minute bursts even though this is true of pc gamers, console gamers, vr gamers, and even fucking mobile gamers.

>>546320254
>hide the black people on the bus from your view
Sounds dangerous. We need is the opposite. A 'Never Relax' app that monitors and alerts you to the movement of melinated individuals so you don't have to be on guard all the time.

>using VR on a plane
bro your book / audiobook / handheld game / inflight movie??
VR would be so cringe in public

I don't want lighthouses because they make noise + are just another thing to break + I want to be able to take the headset to another room or my friend's house. Just make Quest Pro controllers + HTC Ultimate Trackers, but good and without spyware, thanks.

>>546320747
>tomorrow night
you mean tonight right, S? I'll be there hopefully someone else will be a kind anon and join the two of us

>>546320641
>20 minute bursts
phonetards....

>>546320713
>giving a shit what other people do on a plane as long as they don't stink/yell
I'd be fine with everyone in cattle class wearing a feed bag and blinder shades.

>>546320135
That end game won't happen until wireless is somehow able to introduce no extra latency, and no visual artifacts.
Either that, or the phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough for them to see a standalone mini pc hmd as a better choice. I think zoomers and alphas don't have computers nearly as much as we all did since they cope and claim their phones do just as much.
>>546320641
This is why I bought a bsb2e as soon as they announced it. No one else realizes that the demographic to value is us.

>>546320741
>because they make noise
valid
>thing to break
thousands of hours here with zero issues

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Running Pacific Coast Highway in Assetto Corsa tonight at 8PM ET (in ~30m).
Car list is in pic related.
Mods are below and the server is up if you want to test anything.
server: vrg racing
pass: tfwnodriftfu
voice chat (mumble): voice.vrg.party
mods: https://mega.nz/folder/xN4EGDiC#cvLFrD3kTpS_8pU7eNVvPw

Still thinking of trying to run an actual race next week if there's enough interest, so if you'd be interested, just reply.

>>546320823
Yeah, messed up the copy paste since I was in a hurry.

>>546318690
SAAR YOU ARE COMPARE SHITY COMPANY TO BRAHMIN VALVE SAAR
lmao nigga it's gonna be fucking trash

>>546319924
I know some people who really want this actually, to be able to virtually have more displays, or move to the couch on a wireless setup.

Lots of less demanding games like mmos run pretty well on the deck, so a deck-like setup than can also do some light VR on its own has some appeal.

>>546320886
>phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough
This is already the de-facto state of things anon. "normal people" don't touch a computer ever unless it relates to their job or they're into PCs for another reason.

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>>546320958
I'll show up for next week's race but i'm the guy who will probably show up anyway. No one cares about assetto anymore...racism is declining...no doubt we'll be drowned out by Slop Frame discussion...

>>546320949
>>546320741
>they make noise
I've never noticed.