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If AI is so great, let it generate the in-game immersive sex and masturbation mod I've been waiting for since 2020.
>>557001981This but unironically. And make it restore Nerve.
>>557000725I didn't mind it when I tried Vince, but you are fucking huge, choom. I can see why it would be jarring. I'm a foot shorter than you if I get my burger metrics right. >>557001321>asianPost him, please.
I wish Meredith had an actual questline. The game needed more corpo characters with actual presence.
>>557001981
>>557001793>>556909426Delamain Training Data 58 - Arms & Traffichttps://streamable.com/50jro3Chevillon Emperor 620 Ragnar, point to point in under 3 minutes.You pick the route.Fastest run wins a banana stickA faster vehicle enhanced run wins a blackwall banana sticker
>>557002160V should have nerves of steel.
>>557001623If we ever reach a point that most labor can be automated I think the wealthy corpos that control our governments won't want to subsidize everybody's lives and it'll trigger a long and deadly class war. Maybe we'll have a post-scarcity society afterwards where nobody has to work but I doubt that will happen in our lifetimes.
>>557002293Checkmate smartass
>>557002293just pop it in neutral and push the car. you'll get a good workout out of it.
my V is a pure virginhow about yours?
>>557002907The V stands for vagina.
>>557002962she's saving that for someone special
I started watching the battle angel anime you guys talked about and Holy shit it's terrible. Not at all on the same level of ghost in the shell and Akira.
text from judy: ayyyy how bout some of that V, V???
>>557002907my V had sex with once with a corpo and it was a bad experience. he realized that he needs to feel an emotional connection to enjoy sex, so he's spiritually a virgin.
>>557002656>it'll trigger a long and deadly class warNo bro the future is global communism. There's been plans for it for a real long time and it's not a secret. Why do you think literally all culture today is cultural Marxism? They've been preparing us to gradually accept it. Watch yuri bezmenov videos on YouTube if you haven't already.
>riders on the storm>panam emphasizes stealth>now i feel like i have to go in quieti know there's probably no penalty for going in guns blazing but i don't like ludonarrative dissonance. but fuck i don't want to waste an hour watching everybody's paths.
>>557003716I think that mission has special lines for doing it stealth and for killing everyone before talking to whats his name
>>556989312Maybe I should install some of those economy rebalance mods, but honestly inventory management is something I don't enjoy, consumables and such is fine tho. For eddies you could probably install that bounties restored mod so killing wanted goons rewards you, I'd like less ammo too.>it's greatIt's brutal, I love the axe to the face finisher and the EMP blast kicks ass.>It's an overall speed boost too.Thanks for the tip, yeah that's really something I never really looked into and might have come in handing for some gigs, namely the last gig for Dakota.> And clingshots bestshots.Kek, definitely up there.
>>557003861Ughghh fuck I'll see if I can speedrun a stealth approach then
>>556966519>thought I beat Borg with my last submissionill recheck
anons they're ERPing in the old thead
>>556999469I knew I had it.
>>557006157Kek, that's such a good line.
>>557004586oh no
>>557004586What a bunch of sluts
I don't really want to see cyber chicago
>>557003716You can actually pretty easily parkour down there and only gotta worry about like 2 dudes along the way.
>>557008251yeah but i need loot to sell so i can buy every caralso, one of these guys had an iconic weaponi'm almost done i think. stealth killed all the guys outside and on the first floor, just need to venture into the basement now.
>>557008442Go get 'em, anon.
>>557004586Are they fucking?
>>557008660you know how ERPers are. they foreplay for hours before they get there.
V has pink eye. But how?
>>557009039Is it infectious or allergic?
saul's shock and awe was worth wasting the past hour
>>557009271Based. That was a great moment.
>>557009271Huh. Didn't know he reacted that way. I'm gonna go guns blazing next time I do this op.
>>557009382I killed em all silently. I assume he says the same thing if you kill them all regardless though.
kek
>>557009271>sneak in through the tunnel>could free Saul and just leave without alerting anyone>ignore him and go kill everything from the inside out then come backCan't be missing out on an iconic i won't use now.
>>557010081is it one of the iconics that go on your stash's wall?
>>557010081Relatable. Endured River's barbeque for an iconic I won't use.
>>557010174I think so, either that or the one you get saving the monk from the maelstrom, they're the same model and one is on the wall.
>>557010189>EnduredI liked the barbeque...
>>557010538Did you...you know?
>>557010629Let the kids win? Yeah
my headcanon is that v massaged panam's feet and she gave him a footjob
>>557010682Kek>>557010705But anon she says they smell...
>>557010751*v massaged panam's feet in the bath
>>557010682Jesus christ anon..
>>557010837Now that's a good headcanon.
>>557010858lmao not like that!She caved under the pressure and raised her hand at the table, which made shooting him down on the tower that much worse. She feels terrible about it
>>557010705Mine is that Valerie massaged her feet, Panam was visibly embarrassed about her feet being a little stinky which led to Valerie playfully kissing a toe, then another, then sucking one, licking between them, and eventually an extremely vigorous introduction to lesbian sex. I consider it the True Canon of Cyberpunk. If I can ever get an admin slot on one of the wikis I can make it so.
what the fuck
>>557011208I have diagrams if you need them
>>557011085I'm not into smell but that sounds cute
>>556985281>He is a real bastard I wonder if you'll struggle against him at all or kill him like nothing.Got pretty lucky with Rufus: was able to dump a Dying Night mag into him as he ran into the back room. That made things pretty easy when he finally came out and got his cyberware jammed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEcDSQFpjD4
>>557009928>Drink questionable alcohol>Go fucking blind>It's okay because you needed a new pair of kiroshis anyway
i'm about to do the peralez questline. i don't remember exactly what happens but it made an impression when I played it in 2020. was hoping they would make an expansion about this. do they reference it in phantom liberty?
>>557011937>do they reference it in phantom liberty?No, but Mr. Blue-Eyes has an extremely minor role in Phantom Liberty if you side with Songbird and pay VERY close attention and he was the one fucking with them in this questline. We truly have no idea what that fucker is up to outside of playing with a lot of powerful people from behind the scenes. He'll almost certainly be back in the sequel I'm sure.
>>557001793Best edition.>>557011937Not really, no. The Peralez thing is kind of left a mystery.
>>557011937Nice, have fun. Just finished that one up a couple days ago, coincidentally.
they said the thing
>>557013406kek.
>>557013406Only fucking time they say it too. Shit pisses me off.
>>557013406ripped off from shadowrun(ners)
>>557013974It's actually ripped off from Blade Runner.
I thought River was supposed to be a good cop>>557013526>>557013829>>557013974Did they patch the dialogue after the anime came out?
>>557014275>Did they patch the dialogue after the anime came out?No, the anime didn't invent the term "Edgerunner". It pre-dates Cyberpunk 2077. It's just a nickname for people who do merc work in the setting.
>>557014275Bullying CIs is just how it works in NC.
>>557014365I wonder why they didn't use it more then. Sounds cool.>>557014387He deserved it anyway for that atrocious haircut.
>>557014460>I wonder why they didn't use it more then.They also mixed up the terms "input" and "output" so I think the writers just didn't pay much attention to Pondsmith's lingo outside of stuff used frequently in casual conversation like "choom", "preem", "gonk", etc.
>>557014582>They also mixed up the terms "input" and "output"nope
>>557014761>>They also mixed up the terms "input" and "output"They quite literally did. In the source material inputs are girlfriends and outputs are boyfriends. In CP2077 they got swapped.
>>557014910wrong
How do I get the Muramasa invite?I've bought a Yaiba bike and more than 3 cars
>>557015921Wait until you get the email.
>>557015820I'm not wrong seeing as I have the actual books but okay dude you do you.
>>557016017You are, if you'd read and think you'd see why.
>>557015921scan one of the billboards. there's one above the diner where you meet takemura i think.
>>557016430I think you're just retarded and defending them actively mixing them up. CDPR can make mistakes, anon.
All V's are easy a
I remember them getting it right in the game. It's why Jackie's joke about the boyfriend getting kicked out for not chipping in lands.
>>557017286>I thinkdoesn't look like it
>>557017587That line gets it wrong though.>Why did the rockerboy's OUTPUT kick him out?Outputs in the source material are boyfriends. So either that rockerboy was gay or they fucked it up.
>>557017697alt gets referred to as johnny's output as wellI dunno about this, you sure?
>>557017697Wrong. Input is male, output is female. Input plugs IN to a hole.
>>557017789Yes, 100%.>>557017913The logic has nothing to do with it you idiot. The fact is in the source material boyfriends are outputs and girlfriends are inputs. Whether that "makes sense" or not is irrelevant, that is the lore Pondsmith established.
>>557017913>BRO LOOK AT WHAT THE AI SAID IGNORE THE ESTABLISHED CANONlollmao
>>557018086Haven't played the TTRPGs but for what it's worth the wiki indeed makes a distinction between CP77 and the original games, so it seems anon is right that the meaning became flipped in CP77.
>>556778873>>556966519>>556909426 Blackwall Banana StickerAfter looking at it again, you hit the wall .05 earlier.
Rain always made Night City look cleaner than it really was. Sins blurred just enough so you could pretend they weren't there. But tonight's different....Tonight the rain isn't hiding the filth, it's pulling it out into the open - exposing the lies and corruption...
>>557017913god you're a dumb gonk
>>557018559River wishes he could talk like that.
>>557018086>The logic has nothing to do with itThat was clear the moment you started speaking.>>557018215>>557018592Get with the times grandpa, I remember faggots like you back in the day "oh well if it's on the internet then it MUST be true right, huh, right" meanwhile you're watching Mossad television and reading Ghislaine's textbooks. What the AI said is correct and you know it's correct so kill yourself with your faggoting.
>>557018559We could have had a cool detective quest line with an actual Cyberpunk noir detective giving us kick ass lines like this and instead we got some trailer trash reject who somehow looks gayer than the actual gay romance option.
>>557018559Your V looks just like River.
>>557018796>Doubling downAnon. The fact is it was the other way around in the source material. Cope all you want, but this will always be true. You lost.
>>557018883the entire game was supposed to be you as an ncpd detective
>>557018796>"oh well if it's on the internet then it MUST be true right, huh, right"ironically this is what you're doing, you're listening to an AI slop bot over the actual fucking BOOK
>>557016469Not seeing the billboard or message, I've bought like 6 cars and waited like 4 days now.
>>557018995>>557019119The book had it backwards, a slip of the tongue that has now been corrected. The original proposition, that the game got it wrong, was incorrect and still is. The game got it right and corrected an issue you were too dense to recognize because you lack discernment.
>>557019195>"PONDSMITH GOT IT WRONG AND JUST NEVER CORRECTED IT">Despite there being MULTIPLE editions with heavy revisions>And the Cyberpunk RED version being created alongside the video game still having the original orientation when it was supposed to serve as a canonical backdrop FOR the video gameOr you know, he just liked it being that way. Just because it doesn't make logical sense doesn't really matter. The writers either "fixed it" without his permission or fucked it up.
>>557019409>PONDSMITH GOT IT WRONG AND JUST NEVER CORRECTED ITYes, he clearly misspoke. Input/output already has male/female labels applied to it outside of Cyberpunk. He made a mistake which was then corrected, the opposite of your original claim that a mistake was made afterwards. You completely inverted events because you're low IQ, and now you can't let it go. Do you drooling guttersnipes not know what male/female pipes are and how that might relate here? Do you think Pondsmith invented it? No. He misspoke, you know he did, it was corrected, and now you're doubling down and making yourself twice as wrong.
>>557019557>Ignoring every point I madeI accept your concession.
>>557019604You didn't make a point, you just verbally flailed around. I addressed your core assertion definitively, and now you engage in more inversion and gay meme language to try and cover for your bruised ego.
>The source material says X>NOPE DON'T CAREis this nigga for real or is he trolling
>>557019708>You didn't make a point, you just verbally flailed aroundNo I definitely did. I recommend you go back and read the rest of that fancy green text. I know you struggle with literacy since as a secondary you never read the TTRPG books but I believe in you, you can read that post anon!
>>557018649>River wishes he could talk like that.>>557018883>trailer trash reject who somehow looks gayer than the actual gay romance optionThis city's got a funny way of handling people when they're down. It doesn't offer a hand, it checks your pockets. Words bounce off chrome, but I won't pretend it doesn't sting. You spill something real, something honest, and the first thing back isn't understanding, it's cheap shots...
>>557019868I'm quite enjoying these posts.
>>557019868HOLY SHIT RIVER GET DOWN
>>557019728The source material got it backwards, and that is now corrected. Input/output associations with male/female predate Cyberpunk, it isn't something Pondsmith created, it's just something he initially misspoke. This is obvious to any thinking person of good judgement, which is why it evades your grasp like a fine mist.>>557019834>read the textI did, that's why I correctly described you verbally flailing around, losing the argument, and then engaging in inversion and meme language to try and salvage dignity that you lost long ago. Input is male and output is female, as it was before Cyberpunk was ever thought of, as it was intended to be when Cyberpunk was first written, and as it is today. The original assertion that it was correct and then incorrect was itself incorrect and utterly backwards.
Then explain the Cyberpunk RED book still having the original orientation despite being created alongside the video game to ensure consistency across the franchise. You can't. The fact is the video game either changed it without Pondsmith's approval or fucked it up.
>>557020171Meant to reply to >>557020053
If boyfriends were outputs and girlfriends were inputs in the source material than the source material was wrong. Simple as.Actually, the terms being etymologically backwards kind of gives the whole thing a trashiness that seems appropriate for the genre.
>>557018883River reminds me of Forrest Whitaker's character from the Shield more than any noir detective.
okay yeah he's trolling there's no way kek
>>557020171>Then explain the Cyberpunk RED book still havingNo. There's no need to explain it, it's outside the scope of the issue. It was incorrect usage of a very common male/female distinction used for everything from headphone jacks to pipes to any sort of mechanical fasteners and probably stuff I've never thought of, it isn't something Pondsmith created, just something he initially got wrong and which is now corrected. If you want to speculate on why they don't reissue the books to fix his mistake, knock yourself out, but regardless of any answer you come up with a mistake was made and now it's fixed.
>>557020287>thanGonna kill myself.
The little maimai car is this game's version of the Miata. tiny and slow but the way it handles makes it really fun.
>>557020395You can always tell people are mad when they start doing the reply-without-replying thing. They desperately want to feel like they've said something but they're afraid to directly address anyone anymore, so you get these sorts of feminine drive bys. Whenever you see this you can be sure that the anon will be replaying this argument in the shower for a week.
>>557020445>No. There's no need to explain it, it's outside the scope of the issue.It is the fundamental basis of the issue, actually. Clearly if it persists in multiple versions including the one meant to serve as a canonical backdrop for the video game, that is Pondsmith's intended version. Whether it makes sense with real world terms or not is irrelevant.
>>557020615>t is the fundamental basis of the issue, actuallyNo, it isn't. The fundamental basis of the issue is the claim that the book had it right and then the game got it wrong, when it's actually the reverse. This is founded in your assumption that this input/output distinction to describe male/female is something that Pondsmith created and therefore has dominion over, like "gonk", which also isn't true. He just got it wrong. If Pondsmith writes "could care less" instead of "couldn't care less" that doesn't mean he created new Night City exclusive slang, he just fucked up. But people on 4chan are always unintelligent and bad at thinking so no matter how simply this is explained they just can't get it, might as well try teaching algebra to a roach.
Defimutely gonna think about "feminine drive bys" in the shower later.
Don't forget to call Jackie after he's gone for extra feels.
>>557020847>The fundamental basis of the issue is the claim that the book had it right and then the game got it wrongI see where you're coming from, but you're misunderstanding my initial statement. It's not that "the book got it right" and "the game got it wrong". I said the game mixed it up from the source material. Whether Pondsmith had it "right" or not doesn't matter, that's the way he wrote it in multiple versions including the one meant to serve as a frame of reference for the video game. That matters, that shows intent. Whether he was "right or wrong" is entirely meaningless. He created this world, not you. What he says is what matters. If you disagree with that, you're not really a fan and should really get into a new game that suits your specific brand of autism where everything needs to make perfect logical sense.
>>557021119>That matters, that shows intent.It only shows lack of understanding. A person who says "has their cake and ate it too" might say it wrong a thousand times, and it doesn't mean anything other than the person having a backwards understanding and nobody around them to correct it. It's not a conscious decision to flip things that needs to be respected because the author was trying to impart some new meaning, which is why it was fixed. If Pondsmith forgets a punctuation mark somewhere that doesn't need to be chiseled into stone. Pondsmith has dominion over things he creates, "gonk", "edgerunner", "choom", he doesn't have dominion over common turns of phrase that are older than he is.
>>557021119from someone who understood your intent and agrees, it's probably best just to let this go for the night.
>>557021371>he doesn't have dominion over common turns of phrase that are older than he is.He has every right to change or repurpose phrases in his own setting if he wants to. That is the very NATURE of creative control in fiction. Tomorrow I could write a book where "piece of cake" means "something small" instead of "something easy". Is that correct in the real world? No, but that literally doesn't matter because I am writing fiction. I can do whatever the fuck I want. How are you not grasping this? I'm gonna stop here so as not to shit up the thread more but I strongly suggest you think on this a bit more, in fiction not everything has to follow real world meanings.>>557021523Yeah, I'm stopping here. Good call.
>>557021661>He has every right to change or repurpose phrasesHe didn't though, he just got it wrong. He didn't take input/output and give it totally different meaning, he just flipped it from something that makes sense. It's obvious he got it wrong, and you just want to argue for the sake of it. I'm glad you got moral support from your fellow IQ to gracelessly retreat from an argument you lost an hour ago, but maybe in the future you can show a little more judgement and just stay silent when people smarter than you are giving you an education. This is the most obvious thing in the world and you can't understand it.
>>557021902>He didn't though, he just got it wrongnta but you don't know that, he could have swapped 'em
>>557021661What if he fucked it up by accident though?Like, what if you didn't misuse piece of cake because you wanted to, but because you're an obnixious longwinded retard?
>>557021950I do know that, because I have reasonable inference and judgement. Anyone who doesn't know that lacks these things, and really shouldn't be speaking to other people.
>>557021994>What if he fucked it up by accident though?Had this been how it was phrased in just the initial printing, I'd be inclined to lean towards this. It doesn't though, the TTRPG books have been revised/rewritten multiple times over the years and even in the latest version tailor made for the video game, the phrasing is still the same. If it was truly a fuck up I find it very difficult to believe nobody corrected him and he himself never realized it over the many years this game has existed you know? The fact that it stayed regardless in every printing to me suggests one of the following:>He intentionally swapped the meanings from the beginning.>He fucked it up initially, but decided he liked them the way they were regardless and wanted to keep it that way.Either of these, he is allowed to do. The idea that he could have fucked it up in EVERY printing from 1988 to 2020 and never once realize he fucked it up or have ONE person correct him is so absurd it's not even worth considering. He has a whole company, a large circle of friends, he even hosts many games himself and surely one person would have pointed this out to him over a span of 32 whole ass years you know?
>>557022038>I do know thatno you don't lmao quit smelling your own farts
>>557022440Maybe it's sunk cost, maybe it doesn't matter to him, who knows? It doesn't actually matter. Input/output existed before him, and he just used it wrong. "Why didn't he fix it" is a totally separate conversation.
>>557022728It's not a matter "why didn't he fix it", I honestly don't care about that. I agree it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. What does matter is that he DIDN'T fix it. He, either from the start or at some point along the way made a conscious choice to have it be this way. The reasons for this don't matter, but the intent does. He has the creative control here, what he says goes.
>>557022671I do. You don't, but I do. For people who aren't able to discern and don't have any sort of inference, both abilities seem like magic or fart sniffing arrogance, but they're not. It's kind of like how you'll see a dumb theater kid get a job writing, and he's asked to write a smart character, and the character invariably turns into this Raymond Reddington style wizard because to a dumbass a smart guy is indistinguishable from a wizard. To you, simply being able to weigh things and think is "smelling your own farts". The entire conversation stems from a mistaken belief that he invented input/output male/female, and if anons had realized he didn't this conversation wouldn't even be happening. But now they've declared their position and they'd sooner die than admit to being wrong no matter how obvious it gets.
Hate to interrupt, but a very important mod just dropped:https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/27453
>>557022985>The entire conversation stems from a mistaken belief that he invented input/output male/femalenobody once said or implied this, schizo
Holy fucking autism, cool your tits anons.
>>557022904>What does matter is that he DIDN'T fix it.No, it doesn't. If some guy writes 2 + 2 = 5 on a piece of paper, and I correctly note that this is wrong, and you mistakenly believe it isn't, that the same guy also wrote 2 + 2 = 5 on dozens of other pieces of paper across the years isn't relevant. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Inputs plug into outputs. Men plug into women. That is the root of the language. What makes more sense - he just flipped it in his head and it wasn't big enough to correct, or he intentionally flipped it to something illogical, for no reason, just to do it? A thinking person will know the answer to that question. A moron will insist "golly gee we just can't know golly I guess it could be either hah we just don't know".
>>557023126It was implied when the original mistaken anon pretended that Pondsmith's misuse of common terms was some issue of author canon, as though using the wrong form of their/there/they're on one page somehow implies a split in Night City grammatical rules rather than a typo.
>>557023095Good stuff.
>>557023095my V is pure so she would button up all the way
>>557023182>Right is right. Wrong is wrong.Not in fiction. Tomorrow I could write a story where "2 + 2 = 5" and I would be allowed. In that universe I have created, 2 + 2 does equal 5 within the physics of that world now. That's the beauty of fiction, you can quite literally do whatever you want. In Pondsmith's Cyberpunk, the gender relations to input/output are swapped and that's perfectly fine because he wrote a work of fiction.
i dont care about source material, intent, or the "right" of a creator. you are a homo if you pronounce Gif as JIFF.your sexual partner is your Output. just like a hobby is an Outlet for you to expend energy and time. the actual function out an Electrical Outlet and other ports, is irrelevant. And Output sounds like Put Out. you went on a date last night, did she put out? Thought she was your output.Once something is released into the wild the creator has no control over what it becomes and how it linguistically drifts. Especially when another property becomes more popular than the source material and popularizes a variation.
>>557023425But then what are inputs?
>>557023454a person i seek advice/information from. i need your input
>>557023349>Not in fictionYes, in fiction. When you're writing fiction, you can do things like say dragons exist when they really don't. But when the fiction writer writes "Bob ate the cake", that means a man named Bob consumed a cake. You understand this, I know you understand this, but you want to be deliberately obtuse so you can pretend like you didn't lose the argument and were instead pretending to be retarded all along. When a fiction writer forgets a comma, he just forgot a comma, it isn't because his fictional setting has different grammar rules.>>557023454Inputs fuck outputs.
>>557019868Aw chin up, River. Don't let these gonks drown you in their static. Still not coming over for jambaylaya tho
>>557023425>spoilerHard agree.
>>557023661>But when the fiction writer writes "Bob ate the cake", that means a man named Bob consumed a cake.That's not the same thing. Yes, as written that means "Bob ate the cake" but in my story a "cake" could be a large gemstone. Now "Bob ate the cake" means in context "Bob ate the gemstone". The point is while written implications are set in stone, meanings can be fluid. In a story, "2+2=5" can be true if those numbers don't mean the same thing they do in our world. This logic holds for input/output. You are allowed to swap the meaning if you so choose. Is that always a good idea? Probably not because it can confuse the reader but you retain the right if you want it.As I have said previously, if Pondsmith had written ONE version and been done with it, I would agree with you that he likely just make a mistake. But for him to create multiple versions over 32 years? Either he didn't care he made a mistake and wanted to keep it that way or he swapped them on purpose from the start. Either way, his story. He is allowed.
>>557024042>but in my story a "cake" could be a large gemstoneNo, this is absurd, and you know it is. You're arguing for the sake of it.
>>557024154>No, this is absurdNo, it really isn't absurd. That's how fiction works anon.
>>557024224No, it isn't. Fiction means you can tell stories about untrue events or create fictional worlds. It doesn't mean you take existing words with existing meaning and just arbitrarily use them in absurd ways. This is also not Pondsmith actually did, where he very clearly intended to use it correctly and simply flipped it, hence why he kept male/female meaning in place and just assigned them wrong. This is obvious, it's obvious you understand this, you just want to argue.
>>557024154he's right though, go ask your precious AI slop bot and i'm sure it'll confirm lol
>>557024485There you go. AI slop bot confirms you're retarded, only took two seconds to do it. What is the point of pretending to be retarded so that someone will say "hey you retard" on the internet? Is it really that entertaining to be wrong and demean yourself? Is your discord giggling extra hard right now? "Oh man you were soooooo stupid and then he called you stupid oh man kek AND lol!"
>>557024479>No, it isn't. Fiction means you can tell stories about untrue events or create fictional worlds.God you're so close. Yes, this is true. But in those fictional worlds, you are wholly allowed to change the meanings of terms as much as you want so long as you explain the new meanings to the reader. There's no "rule" against this. It's creative writing for a fictional (fake) world. Go ask any English professor dude.>This is also not Pondsmith actually didWe can't know that. What we can know however is that the swapped meanings remained over multiple revisions over a span of 32 years. If you believe he went ignorant for that long with not a single soul correcting him is more likely than him doing it intentionally or choosing to keep it despite the error, I really don't know what to say to you because that's crazy.
i'd rather deal with the jinx schizo than the input autist
>>557024608>requires contextyeah? and? if you explain to the reader what the new thing means you are allowed to call it that you fucking retard, the clanker just confirmed it for you, stop being so angry and just admit you're wrong already
>>557024708>We can't know thatThere is no "we". You can't know that, partially because it requires thought and understanding, partially because your current clown gimmick requires you not to understand. I can know it just fine, because I can think about it and come to the obvious, logical conclusion that when he used the term with pre-existing male/female meaning, and he used it to convey male/female meaning, that he intended to use the term correctly. Ten thousand rants about "erm acthually it's fiction so blue is red in sanicworld so there!" because you want to carnival bark online doesn't change anything. But you knew all that.
>>557023661>Inputs fuck outputshttps://youtu.be/32iCWzpDpKs?si=bTKBWQf582JChgU6&t=27
>>557024801Hey look another passive aggressive reply-no-reply gee whiz
>>557024853None of this actively proves anything I said wrong and your fallback is continuously "me smart, you dumb" so I'm going to take a page out of your book. I'm done here, as it's clear you lack a true education on creative writing. I tried to impart you the knowledge but instead of simply taking a step back and realizing you might be wrong you'd rather stamp your feet like a spoiled toddler. I strongly advise you to take a class on writing, it would do you a lot of good. Have a nice evening, choom.
>>557024817That's not really applicable to the discussion. Pondsmith used a preexisting term in a way that makes it clear he was trying to use it correctly, he failed, and the game fixed it for him. I'll keep saying it, because it's correct. Correct then, correct now, correct forever.
>>557025078>Pondsmith used a preexisting term in a way that makes it clear he was trying to use it correctly[CITATION NEEDED]
>>557025050>None of this actively proves anything I said wrongIt does, you just aren't smart enough to realize it. That isn't a fallback, it's just demonstrably true. I'm not going to give you a wikipedia citation for thinking, that's not how it works.>>557025135Not for normal thinking people, no. Real life isn't one of your reddit arguments where things live and die by how many CNN links you can provide. When someone says grass is green, they don't cite it, people just understand that it is. In any case, I hope your discord has gotten a big kick out of pretending to be stupid and getting called stupid in various ways, I bet that was a real thrill.
>>557019868River seeing himself as Rorschach but not being taken seriously by anyone is very funnyAnd hits way too close to home kek
>>557025364>writes a story where the names of apples and pumpkins are swappedwhat now fagaroni? checkmate
>>557024947it wasn't meant to be passive.
Does Vince or Val ever make special comments regarding their genders or are all the lines generic?
>>557025714Closest I can think of is when you give the body to Johnny and he says he "won't be a girl for long" to that kid he's hanging around with if you're Val. That's it to my knowledge and even that's a stretch since he technically isn't her even if he owns her body now.
>>557025654That's okay, it's clear using and interpreting words isn't something you've invested a lot of points in. Maybe soon the general can have a chromosome collection competition and you and your discord can sweep, should help you forget all about it.
>>557025873The amount of times you've brought up some boogeyman discord in this topic suggests a level of paranoia or delusion. I advise you to seek professional help.
>>557025714If there are any they aren't memorable.
>>557025976Off-site coordination is unfortunately common here, especially on /vg/, and isn't very hard to spot. This is another one of those times where something other people can do easily seems like magic to incapable people. I'm sure this is the first time you've ever heard tell of a discord posting on 4chan, right? Right.
>>557026190>More paranoid babbleGet a therapist immediately.
>>557025981>>557025856lamewould love to get more info about the gender differences in the 2077 world.plus, sometimes it feels like val behaves too much like a man and vincent like a woman
>>557026228>slightly rewords "take meds!"Innovative.
>>557026304You're clearly not on meds, you just need them.
>>557026261Well now that CDPR has an American office filled with American developers making the next game, I'm sure you'll hear all about gender in Night City soon enough.
>>557026403careful what you wish for I guess
>>557026391Based, kek, insert a soijak here, or a chad, cope, "u mad", and so on. I don't want to run through the rolodex, I'm sure everyone has seen it enough to memorize it, just close your eyes and imagine it. "Seethe", all that stuff.
>>557026261>would love to get more info about the gender differences in the 2077 worldDON'T WORRY CHOOM GONNA BE LOTS OF GENDER SLOP COMING IN ORION GUARANTEED.
>>557026618that's not what I meant!
>>557026505>>557026618Ideally Dawnwalker is pretty good, Dawnwalker 2 is great, and Dawnwalker 3 is a huge blockbuster and we get some kind of Cyberpunk stand-in by 2045 before the cycle repeats.
>>557026742THE MONKEY'S PAW ALWAYS WINS MY MAN
>>557026618Please stop reminding me this exists. Every time I see it all hype for Orion disappears.
>>557026972I try to keep an open mind, I think a lot of stuff like this is overstated. I think Witcher needs Polish developers much more than Cyberpunk, but it'll still be really hard to keep current thingism out of the game now. There will 10,000% be a mayor Trump type of character, and a lot of vitiligo.
>>557026618This has to be some kind of April Fools joke.
>>557026190>Off-site coordinationi can settle your mind on this topic. there is no off site coordination here. 2 discords spawned from this general. the first one moved on completely, and the second is focuses on npvs and modding for photomode. neither have people that would care about terminology or would be awake when the discussion started..
>>557027189Honestly it can't get much worse than 2077. They already basically force you to listen to how Claire transitioned if you want to do her questline. The only way it could really be worse for me is if they make me participate in some dumb ass anti-anti-immigration riot or FORCE me to do shit with a tranny crew member who rants about their "struggles".
>>557027296Don't bother, he's just going to continue to delusionally rant about how there's some third unaffiliated Discord executing some "le ebin raid for the lulz" to argue with *checks notes* ...one dude.
>>557027354I thought 2077 did a good job. "They change the language to what they believe"It did have tranny Claire, and I won't try to wash it out by pretending she's portrayed poorly as others do, she's absolutely the Sir Ryan of Night City. But the volume was low enough on the woke shit that I still fell in love with the game. I don't know if they'll be restrained at the Boston studio.
>>557027469>But the volume was low enough on the woke shit that I still fell in love with the game.Agreed, and if it maintains that level I'll be satisfied. This game or rather this world is simply too interesting and enthralling for a singular tranny to ruin it for me. Though I do tell Claire to eat shit and blow the tranny wagon up at the end of the questline every time.
>>557027446well, if anything they can now have fun wondering how many people exist in both groups that are conspiring against them.
>>557027296>>557027446>>557027665What an organic conversation.
See what I mean? Dude needs medication.
>>557027469>the Sir Ryan of Night Cityidgi
