>>558649464
She looks like she is being bent over and getting fucked

>Prio Venator
>I somehow got Mina despite not putting her on prio
My vampire wife is so clingy....

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Silver.

Age old question: how much soloskill can compensate for retarded teammates?

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>the Troubadour transformed into a bunch of crows and disappeared
>Vindicta can control crows

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>>558649614
Good puppy

>Keep losing games and getting put in lower and lower ranks
>Get stomped more and more and the average skill of players noticably increases
What the fuck even is this matchmaking? I'm not playing any more until they fix this shit

I main the trifecta of retard proof heros
Warden, Graves, Victor
I have become bored and seek a challenge
What heros require the most skill to play?

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I want to get FUCKED by Lash

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>Can't avoid new heroes
>Can't avoid new heroes
>Can't avoid new heroes
>Can't avoid new heroes

>>558649930
doorman doesn't have as high a skill floor as people say (he's still not easy), but he has the highest skill ceiling by far

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>>558649907
It's the AI matchmaking, you fucking luddite! You can't buy RAM and your electricity bill is enormous because of this. Why aren't you happy?

>>558650072
I considered the Doorman but he is taken by a friend
It was a good suggestion though

Silver can get pregnant
Mina can't get pregnant
Vindicta is dead so she can't get pregnant

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Yoshi...
It's time to rework Holliday into a proper character.
Remove her barrel and jumppad and give it to another hero or just make the barrel into a proper TNT bundle.
She barely works and only kinda functions because of her strong ult, relegating her to an ultbot more than any other character in the game.
Yoshi, don't be dumb and waste the only cowgirl character on gameplay that doesn't fit theme in the slightest.

so every new release will be more broken than the last without hope of avoiding them because 1: it barely works and 2: they can't be avoided

>>558650124
sinclair is another good option, knowing what ults to copy and what builds to make to exploit them is pretty complex, and you can do a lot of teleporting shenanigans too

>>558650208
It's a fucking closed test, the game wasn't even properly announced yet. Did you never participate in the real game testing, and not marketing betas?

Mo and Krill have both the highest skill floor and skill ceiling

>>558650295
I don't know how an alpha or beta excuse shitty balance

>>558649930
>What heros require the most skill to play?
Probably doorman, a better question is what heroes are such giant pieces of shit right now you have to play out of your mind on to make functional.
Which would be either doorman or vindicta

MANY MEN
WISH NERFS UPON ME

Did the balance patch release yet?

>>558650335
That's probably because you're retarded, simplebro.

>>558650335
Are you fucking retarded or something? They're testing the game for that exact purpose. Fucking quit if you can't handle it, dumb tranny bitch

>>558650387
Yeah they nerfed shiv daggers and bebop bombs again

I've gotten a bit into Dota2 because of Deadlock and I gotta say, the community in Dota2 is infinitely more cancerous than in Deadlock by a lot.
I never thought I would utter this word but calling it "toxic" fits, thank god this game isn't made up entirely of dotards..

>>558650367
Warden 50 cent
Billy Eminem
Infernus Dr Dre
Mirage Snoop Dogg

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Spirit items are ridiculously overtuned in comparison to weapon items.
You can see this where basically every viable weapon character has the exact same third ability because weapon builds crumble without the exact same supporting framework because spirit items have such enormously better numbers than their weapon equivalents.

Mo and Krill are the most horrible faggot retard characters in the game. Most characters I have some fun memories of fighting against or figuring out how to counter, but the only emotion I have ever felt about Mo and Kril is overwhelming disgust that such a shitty ugly boring character exists in the game

>>558650229
I'll check Sinclair out when that mod that gives him a passable design gets updated
(Warden was my intro character during herolabs, he got grandfathered in)

>>558650451
Dota 2 was the best game ever made between the years 2013-2015 and it was downhill since, don't bother.

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>>558650367

>>558650540
Nah its balanced
Spirit peaks midgame.
Gun peaks endgame
Thanks for your feedback Intiate!

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>>558650540
>gun items are way more unique and spread out and have cool effects
>but spirit has three to four god tier items in each tier that you're griefing if you don't pick up at least one per
You'd think it'd be the opposite with gun items.

>>558650540
>gun items
>+90% damage +60% resistance +200 firerate -40% bullet shred
>spirit items
>+9 spirit -14% cooldown +200 damage every 30 seconds

Kind of crazy how a good player has like 2x the networth than me at the same time even if I win my lane and get all the creep souls.
The fact that the most optimal way to play is to get creeps + jungle + sinners + boxes is pretty sweaty but I would be okay with it if it wasn't for the fact that movement autism makes them move across the map 2x faster than a regular player.

>>558650150
I played a Street Brawl game as Warden on a whim yesterday after not touching the game for 2 weeks.

they had a Holliday, I'd never gone against a Holliday
every time I tried to ult or whatever I'd just get grabbed by something and dragged around and murdered??? I realize now it was Holliday's lasso

I fucking hate street brawl and I hate this bullshit stupid tranny character

>>558650540
Yeah but spiritfags still whine when their 200IQ mashing of abilities loses to someone that can aim so...

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I can't believe there's no astral projection hero yet. I don't think I've even seen the concept thrown around the forum. Imagine that, moving around using an ethereal avatar while your normal body acts like a sort of sentry that needs to be protected. You could use this to split push or gank enemies

>>558650747
If you can't shmoove then you're probably in a tard bracket where the others can't either so that's not a good excuse.

>>558650654
I don't think so, it's pretty fun, it's just that the attitudes of the average player there sucks.

>>558650846
so you're saying there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking

reminder: it's always morally correct to bm celeste players

why does this game make me want to crash out so much
is this what it feels like to play dota

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thank god the fake tourney is over and all the retarded zoomer e-sport obsessed niggers fucked off

>>558650908
I don't have an issue with matchmaking, but I'm eternus 1 so...

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>>558650801
>I hate this bullshit stupid tranny character
Don't worry, you almost never play against Holliday, she's one of the most unpopular heroes in the game.
Because her kit feels like shit obviously.

It takes a lot of skill to make a tomboy cowgirl character in a hero shooter+moba mix and have her be THAT unpopular.

>>558649464
Instead of summoning bats Mina just braps hard when she ults

WOW playing yamato sucks fucking dick dude i'm mad
why does her ult not have i frames

>>558650975
I used to rage when we had solo lanes because sometimes you were just forced to solo a hard counter and auto lose the lane. There's little reason to crash out now unless your teammate is consciously griefing

>>558651125
as in it should make her invincible the entire time?

>>558651187
alright nevermind
she's just a paper bag who immediately dies most of the time i don't fucking get it

>>558651187
NTA but didn't it used to do that? I vaguely remember her being basically immortal in 2024

>>558650846
No, my rank is constantly going up which is the problem. I WILL eventually face a super tryhard who spent 200 hours practicing deadlock surf maps so he gets to run across the map while I'm on wheelchair mode.
Really it's kind of whatever since the game is in alpha right now but if it ever releases you can bet movement autism will be the number 1 complaint people will have with this game.

I don't know why I play with the builds that other people play with but I just get zero performance out of them and I'm pissed. Maybe it's because I'm new to mobas but is it just constantly being behind the soul meta so basically all of your efforts are useless? like by the time you get to X benchmark in the game they've already basically surpassed you and this is only made much much worse by the fact that everything in this game snowballs because items scale??

>>558651242
yeah at first she took no damage then she would just survive at 1 hp then it just gives resist

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>>558651125
Yamato is... ok.
She's not bad, not great, she's kind of in a weird but not terrible spot right now.
Don't play her just as a spirit character but a spirit brawler, she's tankier than she looks, also don't hold on to your ult, the cooldown on it is low enough, especially since you want to build cooldown reduction.
t. Yamato main

>>558651425
>she's tankier than she looks
Nooooo she is not. I can not take a SINGLE 1v1 with this chick against practically anyone unless they're already softened up

>>558651047
is that why the thread is alot more boring now?

>>558651047
Is that why the thread is a lot more interesting now?

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>>558651047
can't wait for next week desu
always a fun time to shit on """"pros""""
Also the double deathslam was hype as fuck

>>558651478
Well it's hard to say why that is, it might just be an experience thing since I think I win most of my 1v1s with Yamato.
She's not a "free win" pick but she's not bad and definitely worth picking up, she's also fun.

Ivy is the only foid I enjoy playing

>>558650142
The question is though, SHOULD Silver get pregnant

>>558651718
She's fine as a anti-carry esque hero but you need to be ahead to do anything.
Frankly I still have PTSD from when she was good. So no buffs please yoshi

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>>558651718
Alright can you tell me what's wrong with this build then? I don't know if I'm supposed to wait until I get like 3.5k health from farming or what but I just immediately feed in every fight

>>558649930
Doorman, Viscous, Holliday
All have freakass movement tech and require good knowledge of your environment to pull it off
Unfortunately if "this character is ugly" is off-putting to you I doubt the two characters with missing textures will grab you, and you already said you can't play Doorman so fuck man idk, try playing one of the snipers and just aim-fagging.

>>558649930
Go play Mina and then apologize to all the Mina players who are constantly denigrated.

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graves if she was hot

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>dominate most lobbies as vyper
>every time i see an enemy vyper they're usually the carry too
I swear if she was more popular the community would never shut up about nerfing her

>>558651425
Yamato is just a worse Apollo right now, there's like 0 reason to pick her over him.

Silver had a hard life...

>>558650335
If you don't want to playtest, wait until release.
Valve kept the beta hidden originally for a reason, they wanted people to experience a polished finished product, not what the game is now.
But I don't mind, this unfinished beta is incredibly fun and it's exciting to see what ideas they're trying.
My only hope is that we don't get the shitty stagnancy you get in games where a meta develops and if you change it the pro gamers shit themselves with baby rage.

>>558652118
I dueled an Apollo in a match as Yamato and beat that smug redskinned bitch and it felt GOOD.
Yamato will always be cooler than that bitch.
Katana > pointy needle.

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>>558652110
She's already my perma ban pick
I can't stand her
Either she's useless on my team
Or the aforementioned carry on the enemy team
Just nonstop slip and sliding and shooting and nobody seems to be able to do a damn thing to stop her

Vyper Kneels to Dynamos big shoe

>>558652110
>everytime I see a vyper buy coldfront instead of pivoting to gun after picking up improved spirit and mystic burst in lane she loses hard
What causes this absurd leaning into spirit after the initial spirit items instead of getting gun items?

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you're a fucking retard
he used it as assistive search and found a 70 year old algorithm developed by a human mathematician. he implemented the algorithm himself. he even admitted he could have found it himself, but he was able to provide a natural language prompt spec that chatgpt could guess at a solution fitting his problem.

>>558650081
see >>558652294

>>558652157
>they wanted people to experience a polished finished product
I get that but they were never, EVER going to get that from a bunch of TF2 and Dota2 ecelebs, asskissers and spergs.
Those particular types of players only ever want to play TF2 or Dota2, no matter what, and they would've given terrible feedback or just bitched that the game isn't TF2 or Dota2 enough for them

It probably saved the game that they let a broader range of players play it.

>>558652118
I feel like apollo's better early but Yamato's max health healing and unstop beats the aoe curse lategame.

Flopping tranny deadcock.

deadflop

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>Rem is the 2nd most picked hero in the game
>over 50% winrate
Fuck this fucking rat retard character, I am SICK of playing against him.

>>558651309
>movement autism will be the number 1 complaint people will have with this game
Unironically the biggest fly in the ointment with movement is that it still has the source engine shit where pressing W fucks up your forward momentum.
If movement was smooth and intuitive and holding W at minimum did not impede you I think most people could adapt to dashing, sliding, walljumping, etc.
But one of the biggest filters to rocket jumping in TF2 or bhopping in CS was always breaking the habit of pressing W to go forward.
If that's here a lot of people are going to be filtered.

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uh oh tf2roon melty

Ivy's stone form is legit one of the most busted abilities in the game, this character somehow manages to be giga cancer no matter how much they nerf her.

>>558651656
>Yeah, haha, i watch esports... but only ironically you know haha
kys zoomgroid

>>558652390
>probably saved the game
I think what saved the game the most was who.or whatever convinced them to drop the Concord Neon Prime aesthetic and go for pulp fiction.
Pulp fiction is honestly an under-utilized genre. A lot of characters in Deadlock feel like they're straight out of a comic book, and not in a capeshit way. Especially when you look at how blatantly someone like abrams was inspired by hellboy.

>Go to any other discussion platform. Playtest forums, trooncord, stream chats, xitter, plebbit
>Nobody complains about movement
>Go to 4chan
>WAAAAAAAAAA MOVEMENT AUTISM WAAAAA MOVEMENT TRANNIES MOVEMENT THE GAME IS TOO HARD BECAUSE OF THE MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah this is totally an authentic and common criticism and not just some astroturfed nonsense by 3 perma hardstuck archon faggots

>>558652668
BRUTAL TRVKE

deadcuck general

deadgame trannylock

Who has better movement between Deadlock and Apex?

>enjoying game
>skill rating rising
>seeing more and more movement tech in matches
is this autism what defines high level play? maybe I'd prefer staying lower in rank

EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY

cocklock
VERSUS
aryan fortress 2

BEGIN!!

>>558652859
streamertroons like vegas cry about it constantly

am i just unlucky or has the matchmaking gotten incredibly bad the last couple days? did they change something?

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>>558652667
THANK YOU

are Venator and Warden the morally best choices in lore to win? They're the only ones who wanna stop these weird fucking super powerful alien demigods from coming into our world to possibly ruin it, weird how the other chars don't seem to care much about that

>>558652859
I mean a lot of recent games have dumbed down movement to make it accessible because the average joe gets mad if they have to look up a tutorial and practice tech.
And while I don't think devs should do the overwatch/rivals thing of making all movement tech some shitty ability a character has on a cooldown, I do think they should try to aim for "A player could see someone else doing this and try to do it themselves without having to ask that person for specific button inputs"

>>558652668
>holding W at minimum did not impede
This is already true, holding W has no negative impact on your air momentum in deadlock.
Trying to airstrafe while holding W is admittedly much less intuitive than doing it normally, but there's no inherent malus attached to holding W and it has no impact at all on any of the basic "dashing, sliding, walljumping, etc."

>>558652667
Rem downplayers aren't going to like this.

>>558653175
Well getting rid of an evil ass rape tome might also be a good choice considering even someone as morally questionable as Seven doesn't want anything to do with it but yes, Warden is The Good Guy. He just has "questionable" means. Honestly when they rework him I hope he doesn't have too many conversations.

>>558650295
>>558650427
you guys are naive fools if you think a fucking 100k player "beta" is for testing and not for building hype

>>558653513
wrong it's for data

>>558653034
first part august 27th? more like no parts coming cancelled

>>558653513
yeah, precisely
they're in their standard practice "FOMO" marketing phase, it's a valve classic they know exactly what they're doing
their lenient moderation and shit like their official closed beta invite only discord server's general chat being constant 24/7 meme spam is also part of their cool "freewheeling" brand

>>558653513
If they wanted hype they'd drop the invite only bullshit and properly market the game. Maybe even add FOMO cosmetics. Right now they are bleeding money on servers while getting absolutely nothing in return.

maybe it's the hormones but I want to leglock and babytrap apollo >.<

>>558652853
yeah, like I'm sure they could of spruced it up a bit but nothing would change how uninteresting it would be.

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>Celeste is totally gay she *checks notes* compliments women
>Silver is totally gay she *checks notes* is an alcoholic accepting another woman's offer to tag along going to a bar.

>>558653620
they are getting hype and the brand being built, Deadlock is so fucking glazed rn on YouTube and xitter that I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is paid shilling lmao, also they don't need to open it, everyone got invites clearly, it's got 100k concurrent... it builds even more hype if people go out of their way for an invite, makes it feel more exclusive

>>558652859
Probably just a thread on /v/. That board has become a haven for the most insufferably casual players alive that kvetch whenever a game has something for them to learn while going on about mainsteam appeal.

>>558651656
Another William to the collection.

seven is the true homosexual icon of this game

>>558653501
I forgot the difference between venator and wardens wishes, but both wanna btfo the patrons right, literally everyone else accepts that they'll let an eldritch god into our world that'll forever change it in exchange for a selfish wish, asshole cast desu

>>558652859
>perma hardstuck archon faggots
anon I just got put in seeker this week, even though I only have 6 games played
I don't go around complaining about movement
but you're denigrating people's value as human beings based on their rank being 3? whole divisions above me
do you know how that makes me feel? it makes me feel worthless, beyond worthless
be more considerate

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LET'S SEE WHAT YHWH CAN DO

>>558653842
No the true homosexual icon is (you), the player.
Also Graves players.

>>558653606
>their lenient moderation and shit like their official closed beta invite only discord server's general chat being constant 24/7 meme spam is also part of their cool "freewheeling" brand
It can be their brand all they want, it still a good thing

>>558653680
Two things that always bug me about yuri-fags:
1. Their rabid hostility against the idea the character could just be bi or that their head canon is wrong, combined with a tendency to delusionally insist any behavior at all ever is proof of being turbo lesbian
2. Yaoi is better anyway because only men are capable of true love

>>558653513
the actual reason is that they have infinite money and can afford to let people playtest their game and hype it up for them without having to put any effort in. any game company would do the same if they had the kind of resources valve does

>>558653653
this post was funnier when I could respond with "Graves..." but now you're larping as a tranny it doesn't make sense to

ywnbaw etc.

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>>558653879
by allah, behave yourself
i will give you a taste of my book

i have made the mistake of getting into a game as talon

geist is fun wonder why she isn't picked more often

>>558654039
DW anon I believe in you just HEYA HOYA HEYA

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>>558653879
>Haredi
>Doing anything ever besides kvetching

>>558653680
The best part about this is that I bet whoever made this was just making a funny quirky comic about
>>558653926
>Character flirts with opposite sex.
>"They could be bi."
>Character flirts with same sex.
>"If you say they're bi that's gay erasure."
Also sorry anon but while Yaoi fags are generally less annoying they're still on the annoying faggot scale and fall into the same pitfalls that yuri faggots do at times, honestly they used to have the 'Two guys are friends? MUST BE GAY!!!!' until troons come along and took that with their rampant yuri faggotry.

>>558653706
That doesn't make any fucking sense. FOMO for what? The game has no tangible rewards for playing early other than the fun of it. If they added exclusive cosmetics or even a season pass you'd have a point.

so is boho just scrapped at this point? zero hints of any further leaks, no model whatsoever, and tons of talk in official discord about how celeste feels like a rework version of her that cannibalized portions of her kit

>>558654191
it's not about profit, as others have said valve has enough of that, it is about building hype though, all those articles like "this UNRELEASED game has more players on steam than overwatch!" etc are to build hype for release, that's why I think they'll accelerate development and it'll be out within a year at most

>>558653513
If it were open maybe lol
Valve was very tight lipped about this game for as long as they could manage, and I'm sure they've mixed feelings about Deadlock's early success
Events like "Old Gods, New Blood" and the voting with posters and shit show they're starting to lean into the hype because this sort of shit doesn't make sense for a playtest, but I still think if they'd had it their way the game would have had MAYBE a few hundred playtesters, enough to get a good amount of data at different skill levels without making the game the open secret it has been for two years.
You can also tell when you look at how old heroes would drop and the difference in polish with newer heroes, they're starting to put their best foot forward with this shit now that people's eyes are on it. There's a world of difference between obvious placeholder models like Holliday, Grey Talon, and Viscous, and the level of style and attention to detail on the newest 6.

>>558654317
well yeah?

This game has too many tryhards. I just shut my brain off and play but all the retards I match against on both sides actually care about the dumb MOBA-isms of the game and get on my ass about it.

>>558654317
I hope not I want a witch character with a big hat...
The tether concept sounded interesting too, though I imagine most players would hate fighting against it.

>>558654608
the choice to have not have a non ranked casual game mode in a playtest is interesting to say the least

>>558654608
Minecraft maybe more your speed

>>558649117
and now the enemy haze and yamato in my lane were clueless and the haze went 1-12 so i won
its stomp or be stomped...

>>558650827
Wrecker could do it.

I discovered the secret for fun, just ignore your kda

>>558654776
>maybe
English class may be more your speed.

>>558654608
This is not a game for brain shut off and play, I got war thunder and other gachas for that, do that in deadlock and unless you're in smurf mm u get clapped

>>558654695
it did but have 2 different queues with 10k player peaks didnt work

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>"movement tech"
>look inside
>buggy physics interaction

>>558654365
still no lipsync for any of the character's, but largely agree. all of the new character's have highly polished animations and they seem committed to only pushing things that feel truly finished
ultimately, i think the initial opening of the playtest was important. they still had a lot of movement mechanics missing and the map had tons of flaws. forget when the map had 4 lanes; remember when there were no wall jumps? i think they're satisfied with the majority of game feel now and are just buffing shit out
i fully expect yamato remodel to come in the next big patch along with a potential balance patch for her to entice people to try her now that she won't look like an alien anymore. people discount how much people don't like to use certain characters because they look unappealing and unfinished. she has one of the lowest overall pick rates out of the original 20 heroes despite being generally a strong spirit pick the entire time she's been in the game.
>>558654692
tether seems to have been moved to the ripper one, except instead of tethering enemies together, you tether one enemy to yourself
we'll see

>>558654348
>they'll accelerate development and it'll be out within a year at most
Probably something like this, the cat's out of the bag at this point.
Their addition of 6 new heroes with the level of polish they have(and yes, despite your insistence that they're unbalanced these heroes are far more polished visually and mechanically than I would expect as a playtester of an alpha build) has already convinced me they probably have a secret dev branch with a more secretive, smaller group of playtesters.
You don't spend all that time on making assets, animations, and voice lines for a character so early in development, not without playtesting to prove the basic concept works.

>>558654608
That's what brool is for.

>>558655046
>all of the new character's have highly polished animation
only rem and celeste tbqh
venator is just okay, apollo's animations are terrible and silver is straight up just using sevens stuff

>>558655054
>enter brool
>max priority celeste
>game flips a coin to decode who gets her
>whoever calls it wins
whoa... cool gamemode volvo...

Remember Valve developers work on whatever the fuck they want.

>>558654695
It sure feels like ranked as long as you're playing at anything else beyond amoeba level.
>>558654776
Beat it in 2012.
>>558654985
Ehhh it's still very much possible to just do your thing.

>>558655196
ye ye Le epic communist company valve
They'll still be whipping the devs indirectly to make them dev faster at this point, dota 2 was only in closed beta for a year

>>558655048
yeah the new batches are clearly finished chars, cept maybe some final animation changes (silver is seven and drifter), Celeste is 1000% finished tho, now just to touch up the old more map fluff and most importantly jungle and it's set to release

>>558655201
so your iq is just low

>grey talon got gutted because his arrows had fucking barrels for hitboxes
>apollo can just vaguely aim at you and hit every ability
EPIC

>>558655507
he also gets to be invincible during his ult because because

>>558655507
Okay, let's nerf Apollo's 3 and then give him infinite spirit scaling movement speed. Kill yourself Grey Talon faggot.

Do you guys think they will change Yamato's kit after her remodel or nah?

>>558655138
>silver is straight up just using sevens stuff
example? their weapon animations, dash animations, and even how she reloads and handles her shotgun are completely different

>>558655665
wolf m1 is drifter m1
her movement animations are seven

>>558655046
>people discount how much people don't like to use certain characters because they look unappealing and unfinished
I don't think people do, in particular because they themselves will admit there's characters they haven't played because they don't like them design wise or in aesthetics.
Like personally I don't fw Celeste because she feels like she was made for girls who dressed up as suicide squad harley quinn for halloween, but I've enjoyed Viscous despite him unironically not having any textures on him, just a model with some shaders.
Yamato can't even be saved by dialogue because they decided to make all of hers in a language specific to a single isolationist oft-racist island nation. Which is kinda funny I'll admit but it does mean she has little going for her next to 37 other characters to make someone click on her.
Though that said this video definitely drove up my interest in her:
https://x.com/i/status/2026727727462547897

>>558655665
>>558655769
her stupid butt parry is seven's too

>>558653009
It's fun to use and to learn just pick one thing to work on a day
You'll never have to learn how to do some of the crazier shit you'll see E6 1 year game time people like Eidorian do

>>558655054
brool is for going random and still getting cucked on items

>>558655769
her movement is different, im sorry, she holds her gun at different angles and seven doesn't have a monopoly on running
>>558655848
i'll give you this though, looks exactly the same and it looks terrible

>seven gets picked in the tournament
>everyone questions the decision
>he loses
but 56% winrate?

>>558655046
I don't play Sinclair purely because of his lack of voicelines and unfinished model, seeing him ingame feels jarring

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>>558656097
Seven is overpowerd bro don'tchaknow?

>>558656161
honestly it just makes playing as him funnier, you feel like an inexplicable anomaly that's just there to fuck with people

>>558656097
He also bought melee charge

>had a guy add me to tell me my holliday was clean as the enemy
thank you bro...i love playing hard low tier chars

>>558656097
>Apollo doesn't even get picked after a total of 6 picks and 2 bans have come in
But muh 47% winrate? I thought he was uncounterab-
>gets picked
>goes bottom damage with half the damage of the next highest because the enemy team bought a slowing hex

>>558655348
>working on whatever you want
>communism

My sweet summer child...

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>>558656097
>he loses
Look man if you build ult seven and slap on cultist sacrifice I don't know what to say anymore man.
Also from what they said they were more confused because apparently the player had little Seven experience which might be why he made such a fuckass retarded build.

>>558656295
That Lystic loss was just him throwing. He dominated the early/mid game retard just didn't respect the abrams/venator CC chain of death.

>>558655046
>>558655048
I mean they had to completely change the artistic direction of the game from Neon Prime to DL. Probably took them a while to find their footing and understand the direction they want to follow.
Last 12 characters are proof of them understanding that and fully commiting to that style.

>>558655774
>Yamato can't even be saved by dialogue because they decided to make all of hers in a language specific to a single isolationist oft-racist island nation.
That's the appeal dummy, as a huge weeb I enjoy her chuuni Japanese lines and I'm sure that's part of what people like about Yamato.

>>558655201
You arent supposed to beat Minecraft you giga retard you are supposed to fuck around endlessly(like you are doing in dl which is greifing btw)

>>558656097
They literally picked Seven for a 67 joke. All he's good for.
https://x.com/Abrahams_DL/status/2026868706521866460

>>558656496
Yeah the broken engrish and random jap lines are pretty funny and the only saving grace of that abomination.

Apollo upplayers are actually in shambles after that night shift. Nerf Venator.

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flopping tranny deadcock

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>>558656423
It was such an apocalyptic lystic throw

>>558656097
i don't care what deathy or eido say, gun carries are still good if the game goes even a tiny bit longer than 25min, and seven's speed scaling and wave/camp clear is always underestimated
>but his ult is shit and easily hard countered and his stun is easily cleansed
doesn't matter when he has every tool to outmacro the entire enemy team by himself
he's not overpowered, but he severely pushes enemy macro mistakes. that's probably why his winrate is inflated, since most games below low eternus go to at least 25-30min

>phantom 5
>play game
>lose
>phantom 5
>play game
>win
>phantom 5
deadtards???

>>558656764
>since most games below low eternus go to at least 25-30min
more like 40-70 min

>>558656668
if you hate it so much, why are you still playing?

>>558656668
this image literally comes from reddit

so... buff seven?

>>558656668
Sorry DOTArd no amount of shitposting will convince me to play a shitty relic from the early 2000s where I spend 60 minutes clicking on goombus the troll while a bunch of ruskies yell in my ears.

>>558656902
>sole takeaway is buff or nerf
>doesn't even quote
kill yourself

What I don't get is why Seven's high winrate doesn't fall off at higher ranks. The higher you go the more you should be encountering Dispels, Counterspells and Knockdowns, so why doesn't his winrate drop accordingly? I assume half of Eternus must just be aimbots carrying their weight through sheer force of M1.

>>558656291
Holliday is not low tier, she is just hard

>>558656798
why do you people expect ranking up to be so easy. no competitive game is that easy

>>558656902
No
Buff victor instead.
Don't know why they felt the need to nerf his 3's spirit scaling. He's already bad.

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>>558657075
I'm on it

>>558657030
>I assume half of Eternus must just be aimbots carrying their weight through sheer force of M1.
correct, unironically

>>558656291
you're an annoying faggot playing an annoying tranny character
every holliday I've ever met has been a complete cocksucker
le special snowflake dogshit nonsensical kit and unfinished fisher price playdoh model hero
"i'm sooooo good at holliday, you've probably never heard of xir"
I wish I could string you up by your fucking neck with a piece of rope

>>558656764
>but his ult is shit and easily hard countered and his stun is easily cleansed
Both of these arguments seem kinda flawed to me
Countering his ult is buying a tier 3 item, taking up a slot, and dealing with a 35 second cooldown on it to cuck 1/4th of his kit(that probably got some damage off on you and took up some of your time anyway).
Like yeah you can do that but unless he built ult seven(and didn't take unstoppable) it's a lot of effort for little pay off.
And cleansing the stun is something you could argue counters any debuff that doesn't go off instantly. The stun still forces you to work around it or get fucked.
if you have to spend 2-3 items slots to counter a character and you've still not even countered him just doing raw spirit damage to you I don't see how you could ever argue he's not good.

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>>558657065
i've been archon 2 for what feels like ages that at this point i assume this is just the rank i'm meant to be

Yoshi please decrease vyper's gun spread it fucking sucks

>>558650451
Thats only because most people in deadlock have no idea wtf they are doing, and just hoping to keep their head down.

>>558657030
>why doesn't his winrate drop accordingly
Because if you buy 3 items and still haven't countered the character just fucking shooting you to death with his balls and his 3 you've put yourself at a solid disadvantage.

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HEADS UP, PUSSY!

>>558657126
My fucking hero.
I'm being serious though, why do newbies think he's OP? Its even worse now since all the new heroes counter him to varying levels.
Celeste? Apollo? Venator? Unplayable matchup

>>558656798
>>558657192
>play game, win
>play game, lose
>play game, win
>play game, lose
>play game, win
>play game, lose
>"Archon 1"
>lost so fucking hard and wanted to kill myself so bad I don't play the game for 2 weeks and counting
>log in 2 weeks later
>Seeker 4
I guess I'll *actually* do it
gonna go out into the woods and shoot myself in the mouth

>>558657334
>why do newbies think he's OP?
Because buying antiheal and spirit res makes their dicks shrivel.

Are the people who keep saying Apollo is overpowered in lane the ones that consistently try to panic parry my abilities as if they're melee attacks before counterspell is even an option? I see this shit at least once per lane as Apollo. Panic parry into me and my teammate punishing their lack of movement and a free kill. Have you guys tried moving backwards instead of parrying when I have the least range I'm ever going to have in the game?

>>558657334
>why do newbies think he's OP?
Because noobs don't know how to counter, because counters aren't in their L-R build

>>558656563
The wording of this comes off as an AI wrote it with no proofreading. I am unconvinced anyone who puts emojis every five words is not a golem

WAITER WAITER MORE 800 SOUL ITEMS PLEASE

>>558657161
skillet detected

EVIL
DOIES
TODAY

Which hero is most likely to be wearing a diaper?

Rebuttal should upgrade into Counterspell and Counterspell should be 6k total to make up for it.

>>558657473
all but 1 guy in the team are russian

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>>558657417
>team feeds apollo
>"wtf is this hero how are you supposed to beat him?"
>check their items
>0 spirit res

>love game for first 100-200 hours, having fun every match
>rank up and improve it a lot
>reach a lower-mid rank
>realise how abysmally bad i actually am compared to everyone else
>matches stop being fun and the game turns into a grind
this happens with every multiplayer game i play ....

>>558657417
his lunge has too much reach. i never feel like i can outrun it, even when i have a headstart, and it has a tendency to hit around corners for no fucking reason

>>558657572
I'd say Rem but it's probably Abrams considering all the gay sex he apparently gets up to. He's probably incontinent.

>>558657608
rebuttal is already too strong

>>558657673
Before he has range items or max upgrade on 3 it really doesn't thoughbeit. A dash backwards when he starts casting in lane is unironically enough to get out of its range. If people applied proper respect to it instead of staying in and/or trying to parry(????) it and failing then they would find it's not that big a problem.

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eternus 3 holliday by the way

>>558657386
don't do it anon

>>558657608
I just want bullet resist shredder to have an upgrade similar to mystic vulnerability so I can stack it with alc fire

>>558657665
The inverse experience is even worse.
>start playing marvel rivals
>got to GM equivalent in two weeks of grinding
>Game is now boring because one missed ability can cost you the whole game.
I've been oracle for like six months and every game you can fuck up MASSIVELY and still come back. I think thats what makes the game so compelling.

>>558657743
Abrams/Billy/Viscous hands typed this

>>558658016
You can have a negative wr and get to celestial in rivals that games ranking system sucks

>>558657572
Mina

>>558657439
Several reasons. He's a knowledge skillcheck.
Players familiar with the game know how to use the movement system, but most players hardly know how to walljump to get away from anything, and Victor sticks to them like glue. New players miss abilities, miss more shots, don't know how to position, don't know how to kite, don't know to fight at their objectives, overextend constantly, they don't know all items -- let alone how his kit works -- to even begin to think of how to counter him, etc.
Victor requires good knowledge of literally everything. For most players, this optimized gameplay is second nature, and it naturally counters him.

Today I will play mirage

>>558658194
I tried playing Mirage earlier and it felt like I wasn't contributing but whenever I go against him he shreds me.

>>558658086
Eh. When i played you had to maintain 50% winrate once you hit master. Not a high bar but tbqh no one plays ranked in rivals anyway

who has the rem drinking monster energy image the archive is down

>>558658172
Fair enough but with the movement creep of the new heroes he's going to get worse and worse. Shit sucks man. God help us when the new batch of heroes come out and you get some cunt who can just perma fly or something equally stupid.

>>558657192
if you stopped jacking off while playing maybe you'd make it to oracle.

>>558656504
What are they going to do, ban me?

>>558658284
Since season 0 you could reach gm with a sub 50% wr and when they added celestial you could reach gm with a 40-43%wr. I've played (and seen) players with this since season 0 and stopped playing ranked because I'd get players in celestial with less than a 50% winrate and it made any progress I made feel worthless.

>>558658303
That's what I thought too. Graves completely counters him by nuking him, rooting him and punishing diving. Apollo escapes effortlessly with several abilities. Celeste is so overstatted that she outheals, outmoves and outdamages him. Venator shotguns and one-taps him. Silver is a nuclear brawler that will just instakill him with her burst and outheal everything and Rem is Rem.

>>558657639
>snake stare.png
That's a legless lizard, dumbass.

What is the anger inducing duo I can go with a friend? I want people saying nigger in all chat. what Items do we need?

>>558658624
Doorman/Mo and Krill. Refresher.

>>558658624
rem and shiv

>>558658610
Ah thanks. Appreciate it.

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>>558658307
win some, lose some

>>558658624
>>558658658
this is the way. make sure to get echo shard on doorman cart too for extra anger

When Doorman sends you to the cuckshed instead of it floating in space it should show a distorted view of what's happening outside of the cuckshed so you can watch like a cuck.

>>558658307
nta but I jack off while playing and I'm phantom

Every time I see a sinclair clip appear in my feed I skip because not only is Sinclair corny but his players 9 times out of ten are as well.
Nothing cool ever happens with that character

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>>558658595
Silver is bad but only if she has braincells to buy inhibitor. Until then you can play against her.
But yes its not a fun time to be a victor main right now. Praying that anon's forum post causes yoshi to buff him. Show Victor some love.

>>558658658
>>558658746
Thx

>>558658568
well, yeah. 'ranked' is historically a progression system and barely has anything to do with your skill level or knowledge as a player--in like 90% of 'competitive' games. you can coach pro teams and not even be diamond, depending on the game.
if you cared about improving over progression than the golems you get matched with shouldn't affect you as much as seeing your own mistakes and going 'i fucked up at X point and this snowballed into a loss'

>>558658848
bro look at me m1'ing from 20m away then teleporting in grabbing the most op ult and using it
honestly sinclair is such a braindead char you only need to have game experience to pilot him

>>558659035
TRVTH
NVKE

>got my 600th win
>575 losses
>oracle IV
i am not progressing fast enough. my winrate for how long i've played is abyssmal. these are unacceptable stats.
am i taking the game TOO seriously

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>>558658297
Why don't you save these things

So is the Yoshi account on the forum just the communal Valve account for viewing feedback, and if so does that mean that if Yoshi has blocked you so he doesn't see your posts your feedback is basically invisible to Valve?

Where are my kelvin buffs

I am currently playing with a rem that has only taken our double sinners instead of the enemy.

>>558659153
Yes have more fun and you won't notice the time invested
>>558658848
The only Sinclair montage I've ever liked is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYM1iZ11M_U

KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BOLT

>>558659257
Every Rem until at least Phantom will do that. I even had a Rem in Oracle that got upset at me for going for our own side's sinners when he was putting helpers on them.

>>558659257
I was offering Rem a jump pad to go grab enemy sinners and the retard went to gank leaving me to grab the sinners
These mouth breathers don't even know their characters strength

>>558659216
Every red name on the member list is a developer, you can often find several of them online at once

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>>558649464

>>558659332
>Be Rem in Phantom
>Enemy takes their sinners frame 1
>Team has 0 map pressure and flames me for not taking enemy sinners

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>>558659179
wtf why would haze give him that!? kurobaex didn't download it for some reason

dynamos select portrait is his gloat one and it bothers me

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>>558659257
i played with a paige that shotcalled like a god, had a cute twink voice and even shielded me before telling me to go punch sinners

>>558659270
it's not about the time invested, it's about the growth over time. after 1200 games only being oracle--while actively trying to improve and taking the game seriously-- is unacceptable to me. i should be getting better faster, i'm still stuck on old bad habits i need to break.
I wish replays didn't take so fucking long to generate. Maybe I'd remember to actually watch them if i couldn't play 10 more games in the time it takes to generate one replay

>>558659257
>press mic activate button
>say "hey rem, go steal their sinners i'll help you escape if you get caught"
it's that easy

>>558659616
>rem responds back in the blackest ghetto voice imaginable to go kill yourself bitch
it's that easy

>>558652667
>everyone wants to play the new heroes
can't believe it

Rework Holliday

>>558659616
why would he need help? he only needs to look at them for 1 second to do it

>>558659704
Threaten to report his stash of shota porn to police if he doesn't take the enemy sinners.

>Silver introducing Rem to her new boyfriend me!
>Silver going "Watch this." and asking Rem if he wants a sip of a grown up drink!
>Rem nodding and taking a sip of Silver's beer!
>Silver grinning and asking how it tastes!
>"I like it!"
>Silver's grin falling as she goes "Aw... shoot"

>>558659735
you hover nearby so if he gets jumped while trying to steal them he can go inside you and get away for free?
you can just steal jungle farm while you're waiting, don't actually go in the building with him.

>>558657192
archon is just one of those ranks where you are dependent on your teammates being competent to win and most of the time they aren't
as soon as i got out of archon/emissary my winrate started to go up

Did I hear it wrong or is MVP Rem saying something about marrying Darcy in a rapey voice?
The fuck?

Holliday fans in this thread are so obnoxious. The kit is fine, get over it.

>>558660060
>The kit is fine
It's not, it's trash
Also you forgot to use the reply function, it's ok you'll do it next time.

Then play a different character. Retard

>>558660014
He's talking about Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice

>>558660120
who exactly should he reply to?

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when are we getting the redesign

>>558659937
i mean i'm not always competent either i make mistakes too and fuck up now and then but the matches are never consistent and rarely feel fair and usually comes down to whichever side ends up getting the better smurf or stack

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>>558659616

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>My team's Rem stole all of OUR sinners
>Never once stole the enemy team's sinners
>Never once put a minion on a trooper
>Has TTV in name

>>558660382
this was my feeling exactly and although i still feel this from time to time my experience has drastically improved in oracle

>>558660462
Rape bait

>>558660229
You can play and enjoy a character and be aware of flaws in their kit.

>>558660480
it's nice to know that climbing is still possible anon, good luck in oracle too but i've sort of just come to terms with being an archon gamer which has surprisingly helped with not getting tilted too

>>558660501
NOOOO MUH LEARNING CURVE NOOOO MY BRAIN IS TOO SMALL NNOOOOOO